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First, I`d like to know if anyone has any footage or links to that footage of a masked man throwing a rock. If you do, have a look...that masked man can be arrested and charged with a felony which would be inciting a riot, yes, however, the police still do not have grounds to escalate a situation. These Pittsburgh officers obviously threw the de-escalation portion of the academy out of the window.
Misdemeanors and city ordinance violations, perhaps but nowhere have I seen anything that would show inciting a riot. Secondhand hearsay accounts being what they are, show me a video of those events occurring.
As for democracy, America never has been and is not now a democracy. It`s a constitutional republic and should remain that way.
this country is tired of govnt oppression! only brainwashed liberals cant see the government is evil!!
Let`s face it... non of us really have true democracy. yeah, our countries pay a bit of lip service to it, but when it comes down to their own citizens speaking out, they clamp down on it and spin the facts the way they want them.
the US & UK governments condemn Iran for beating peaceful protesters... but then do it themselves time and time again.
But I still would like to remind people that the individual officers are not to blame its their bosses at the top that ordered this response. Obviously police don`t get together to vote "oh hey should we go wreck that gathering?". So don`t blame the officer for hitting you with a baton, once they are in riot gear response mode, thats what they do. Unfortunately it`s like throwing a grenade at an ant, way too much. They could have just sent a handful of normal uniforms to hand it.
And no Genocyde, its not just a simple ordinance at worst. There is no video to judge, but it can be anywhere from nothing to a city ordinance to inciting a riot and a few places
everything else is just a spin tool
That would be a city ordinance violation at best and the most that could happen is a fine imposed. Fact is, these protesters were gathered in a park and doing nothing more than using a bullhorn. Again, that would be a city ordinance violation at best. When the police told them to disperse, they were dispersing only to find that no matter where they turned, more police were blocking their means of leaving, thus escalation was made on the part of the police, not the protestors.
Wrong again. You only have to gain permission to exercise a privilege, not a right with which you were endowed from birth.
This argument is from the angle that the right is only reserved for a select few and the government will decide who those few are. Might want to take a civics refresher as well.
I misunderstood what you were saying. You are right, the colour is to do with the impurities.However, SilentFray was disputing the fact that pumping oxygen into a fire increases the reaction and thusly temperature.
PS: accgoalie13 Thanks for keeping you reply well educated and non-critizising.
Sorry, I am not trying argue or discredit you, I was simply trying to inform.
Wikipedia is partially right. Like I said, changing the in inlet conditions does change how the reaction occurs. You have the same amount of air available. I did not say the temperature didn`t change. Naturally, a more complete reaction will put out more heat. But that is not why you are seeing a change in the color of the flame. The color of the flame is depended on the amount of impurities, or soot, in the flame. A more complete reaction does not have as many impurities in it.
In a furnace you are correct in that you are adding more oxidizer to a reaction. It is not a completely open system. A bunsen burner is an open flame and there is nothing restricting the availability of oxygen to the system.
Thank you for listening
I`m sorry but it didn`t warrent quoting a scientific journal, it is commmon fact that a fire burns hotter with more oxygen, in fact with the bunsen burner the hottest it will be is when you have a blue flame and you take the measurement at the apex of the blue flame!I suggest before disputing my argument, again, you check your facts. I have shown a remedial document (Wikipedia) that explains the concept. You have disputed this on your own knowledge and have proved that you do not know what you are talking about!
So good night to you to!
Something is missing here, methinks... in fact me knows.::
You`re right, something is missing there...the fact that you don`t have to ask anyone to exercise a right with which you are born. Might want to read through The Constitution again or at least take a Civics refresher.
There is something seriously fishy about this video, and I suspect the story is going to disappear completely once the real proof is out there for everyone to see in court. I wouldn`t be surprised if these people starting doing illegal crap to lure the police out there, only to claim that they`re being silenced by the government.
I love the fresh smell of fear-mongering and propaganda in the morning.
Something is missing here, methinks... in fact me knows.
It`s a Right, not a privilege. In order to exercise a Right, you just do it. You don`t ask permission from anyone.
That`s sorta like the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. You just do it. Don`t ask anyone for a damn thing...
That being said. If the police want a crowd to disperse...then, here`s a novel idea. How about allowing them to do it. Might work. You might not encounter too many who are willing to act rationally.
By the way, if one guy in a mask tosses a rock, arrest him.
Run away with the most apolitical gait you`ve ever seen.
That being said, if you want to be sure the power stays in the hands of the People, be sure you support your second amendment right. It`s the only reason we have all of the other liberties our forbearers fought against European oppressors to gain.
Who cares if it`s a Nazi rally? Even if they WERE sitting in the park trying to bring an army of Aryans, it wouldn`t matter. Millions of beleifs and races are discriminated every day, and whatever they happen to be gathering for, no matter how bothersome they were being, the police had no right to stop or abuse them. It doesn`t matter what you beleive is wrong, because no matter what you think, there`s gonna be someone out there to disagree with you. Everyone should get a chance to speak their mind, no matter what it means or who it offends.
Leaving that topic, at 0:48 there`s a sheild-holding fail. Policeman, you`re doin it rong.
That was lame. If you`re going to insult anyone at least be clever with it.
Secondly there was never any military in Pittsburgh.
Thirdly, the Idiot in the first part of the video was one of the main instigators.
Finally, the reason that people were were so on edge was because of the actions of the protestors in London and Seattle.
The protestors are so FULL OF S H I T!!!
Most of the protests were limited and were a JOKE!!!
Riot police don`t just "show up" at a peaceful protest. If riot police were there, then those kids wereup to something and are now looking for sympathy from the rest of the world.
Personally, I think they need a spellchecker first.
Will do! Not gonna happen but you all can hope!
Or not! I`ve seen my ass! Scary stuff!
Thats warning number one! Any more racism from you and you can say buh bye to posting rights!
Please explain! How is Obama responsible for this? You said it, not me! Show the rest of the world how this didnt happen under Bush please! I`m not painting him as a saint. I cant vote for him for a start!
As I said..I`m not American so it`s not my problem, but to say this is "Obamas world" is outright stupid! This has happened in America for how many generations now?
Please feel free to correct me! I dont take offence at being proven wrong! I`m off to bed now but I will answer (tomorrow) how you explain how this is diffrent from 2, 3, 4 or 40 years ago in America! I`ll admit to being a wanker and bare my ass in Woolworths window if you disprove me!
No really. How many vids like this did we see under Bush! I dunno but I lost count! I`m not American so it`s not my problem but this crap has been happening for a long time! Dont Blame Obama when the police state started before he was elected!
So if you cant accept facts stop posting please!
get over yourself. obvious there was a good reason for them to be there.
Wow you`re still caught up on the more air = hotter flame. If you can pull a better site than wiki or one that`s not on the first page of a google search, I might give you a chance. BUT you don`t so good night.
Your "scientific fact" will not help you prove your point. Too many variables in the real world. If you want to prove your point, you`re going to have to hunt down some documents on it or whatnot.________
Anyways, all I have to say is..
These people did something Really bad... or they know something they shouldn`t.
Taken from Wikipedia:
"The amount of air (or rather oxygen) mixed with the gas stream affects the completeness of the combustion reaction. Less air yields an incomplete and thus cooler reaction, while a gas stream well mixed with air provides oxygen in an equimolar amount and thus a complete and hotter reaction. The air flow can be controlled by opening or closing the slot openings at the base of the barrel, similar in function to the choke in a car`s carburetor."
It does increase temperature, in a similar way to a furnace by pumping in Oxygen!
I ask don`t you think this is a problem? Why does it take so much to make a change? Is it political job security or smoke and mirrors to confuse? I am not a economic expert nor do i want to be. but I do believe the public should fight to make change simpler.
As for sickntired, good to have a opinion and i respect your views and agree with some but get to the point i don`t want to be preached to by someone with no ambition in life.
yes, that argument would be understandable if it was something like some inside organization or something, but this is the U.S. government, and as i stated before. the government only seems clumsy up close, but behind closed doors they are capable of anything imaginable.
Opening the base of a bunsen burner does not let more oxygen into the flame. It changes how the air mixes with the fule. When the base is open this allows for the air to mix with the fuel (premixed flame). When its closed the air has to mix with the fuel at the outlet of the burner, thus the flame is not as pure. The orange and red you see is not the change in temperature but the amount of soot in the flame. If a flame where actually get to the point where it were put out blue light it would completely melt the bunsen and probably set everything near it on fire.
Yup, that`ll do it. All it takes is a hairline crack or a gas pocket and the stress will blow it right out.
The building failed because the welds failed on one of the floors close to the crash site. Once one floor failed it was just a domino effect. One floor fell ontop of the one below it causing the welds there to fail. This domino effect is what caused the beams to eventually fail and become distorted.
Pittsburgh is a nice place to live. There`s not that much crime, the people are nice (except to Philadelphia fans) and the area has a unique culture. He was right. Those WERE NOT Pittsburgh Police officers, they were military. The whole time leading up to the events the big headline was, "Does Pittsburgh have enough cops to handle the event." The city replied, "No." Soooooooooooo they called on the US gaurd and what not to fill in. This is vary rare for the city.
Exactly, things don`t add up at all. That`s what these people are trying to figure out. There`s educated people asking question and getting no answer.
It`s all politics and no science. What happened to science?
Laboratory conditions are never true in real life, there are too many variables.
How is my city "notorious for violating the rights of peoples"? That is a BOLD statement not to back up.
Besides, if you knew anything substantial about the G20 police abuse, you would know that the majority of the police force here were NOT Pittsburgh police, but imported from other areas specifically for the G20. They covered their badges when they were doing something wrong because they knew nobody would be able to find or identify them; they would be half across the country by then.
To blame Pittsburgh for the actions of police that could very well have been from YOUR city is - dare I say it due to the recent arguments on this board - naive.
Just because we beat you in hockey and football doesn`t mean you can attack our civil servants. Meanwhile, you should read some of the many articles talking about the extreme politeness and fa
true, but in hundreds of videos and pictures of them cleaning up ground zero there is molten steel up to 2 weeks after the attack. so maybe it wouldent need to melt, but somehow it did...
How long was it burning? for hours and hours...then yes. but they towers fell within TWO hours. Holding steel at 300 degrees (less actualy because of the heat sink affect) would only cause a slight sag. The beams and the rest of the building should of held up.
I`d like to see evidence of this because I`ve seen a lumber store burn down and twist steel I-beams like pretzels. I doubt wood and costruction chemicals burn hotter than jet fuel.
A lesson in steel making:
Steel makers use a metallurgical coal called coke. This coke burns at 1832 degrees and along with the air burst you can bring it to a temperature that can melt steel.
If you think about a bunsen burner, you have a yellow flame, then you open the vent at the base of the burner to let Oxygen from the air be drawn into the mixture and then you get the much hotter blue flame.
By the way, I must do it and I`m sure tons of others have, but...
Assembly is misspelled.
Again, wheres the heat? To do what you`re talking about you need an intense amount of heat. You`re not going to get that with jet fuel.
The steel in the rest of the building would pull the heat away from the affected area (aka Heat Sink). Fuel burns at 300 degrees, structual steel burns at (roughly depending on carbon content) 2400 degrees. Thermite on the other hand burns at 3000 degrees and was found diluted in the remaining slag (oxidized metal due to a cutting process) on the site.
I`m not on any one side. I`m just leading you to water. It`s up to you to take a drink.
Whilst I do agree there are sketchy things surrounding the whole topic, there remain things that can be attempted to be explained.
Nobody deserves to be assaulted by the police for using their rights.
I`m not surprised this happened in Pittsburg. That place is notorious for violating the rights of peoples.
lord, im tired of this, but i keep on seeing stuff that makes me want to explain this.
The WTC towers 1 and 2, were built to withstand multiple collisions from aircraft of any kind, and jet-fuel does not burn at a high enough temperature to melt steal. although it can burn high enough to weaken the building, but not enough to make it collapse. and on top of it all, WTC 7 witch im sure you don`t even think about, wasn`t even hit by a plane and collapsed from "fire" and on top of everything, any reasons as to why it collapsed are completely left out of the 9/11 commission report. if that doesn`t sound at the least, sketchy to you, idk what will.
Your also enforcing your opinion through mindless name calling, that is why I `attacked` you.
GTF out? Really? People are f`ing crazy.
Of course you don`t:
"Your thick little mind is too small to understand the meaning of anything"
"Your blind, your naive, and your nothing"
Even LSD isn`t a powerful enough hallucinogen to explain anyone believing that crap.
PS: Sorry for posting off topic, I don`t mind people having alternative opinions but when they throw insults at people with other beliefs (as in sickandtired) I will question them!
The protesters were on a College Campus and in an area illegal to assemble, even peacefully. Sadly, it was not peacefully. The man in the video does not tell you about how every business window up and down the main streets in Pittsburgh were smashed, even Mom n Pop shops. Students were being assaulted by protesters, they were flinging feces at us, and generally doing VERY illegal things. The cops were doing their job the best they could in dealing with these A-Holes who think they have the right to do anything.
What the cops DID do wrong: they treated EVERYBODY like they were a protester. Students were clubbed, tear gassed, etc. just for being on the street. My good friend was leaving a bar, and as soon as she stepped onto the street, she was hit in the arm with a tear gas canister, cutting her badly.
Don`t listen to these complaints, the students were the real victi
Again, what makes you think you matter more than me or anyone else on IAB?What makes you think your intellect is so much greater than everyone elses?
TBH, I`m probably much more academically advanced than you, what qualifications do you have to warrent that I am but a mere stone for your amusement? I probably have a much better life without the need to fool myself into a false sense that I am so much better than everyone else.
Youâ€™re a troll and so again I say STFU!
Publicly, they cant. to reform things like health care, and fix the economy. it takes channels, and voting and hundreds of different hoops they have to jump through to get something as simple as a tax raise initiated. but behind closed doors, no one is aware what our government is capable of... when they dont have to sign papers and ask congress, and make campaigns. without people holding it back, our government can be a very powerful entity.
and per the zeitgeist argument, there are equal amounts of people for and against the claims they make about the government. so I`m going to just agree to disagree with you on that.
Just because the government took advantage of a crisis doesn`t mean they directly caused it. The bullsh*t claims by 9/11 Troofers SHOULD be disregarded. They claim that US government orchestrated 9/11, but yet our own government can`t even do the simplest of tasks without screwing it up.
[quote]so assuming this is true. there should be a link or some report that you have read that says that zeitgeist is non-sense.[/quote]
There`s this thing called Google. Take two seconds and use it.
<sarchasm>Oh how wise you are, I am so thankfull you enlightened me with your infinite wisdom! </sarchasm>
maybe wearechange believes certain things that are far-fetched, but the idea that our own government caused 9/11 is highly probable. and shouldn`t be overlooked simply because it sounds crazy. the government had everything to gain from the atrocities of 9/11. The patriot act, for one.
"that has been refuted time and time again."so assuming this is true. there should be a link or some report that you have read that says that zeitgeist is non-sense.
Most of the arrests were in the Oakland area which was an illegal assembly.
All in all, after it was all done, the protestors turned out to be a bunch of wimps.
No, they are a bunch of pseudointellectuals who listen to nutjobs like Alex Jones and think that the US is run by either the Illuminati, the Free Masons, or the reptilian humanoids from the Alpha Draconis star system. They are insane.
[quote]and you show me your proof that zeitgeist ideas and theories aren`t true.[/quote]
That is not how we go about things. You first have to back up your claims with evidence. What you are asking me to do is the equivalent to saying "Prove to me that Xenu ISN`T real and that thetans DON`T inhabit the body!" I can`t prove a negative.
Bottom line is, People need sleep. Your civil liberties don`t include infringing upon others right to a peaceful nights sleep. This includes all those idiots with 1000watt subwoofers cranked up at 3am, Bastiches!
How good would that feel?! :-D
here`s a little food for your brainhttp://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
Thats a serious show from the police! Thats the sort of crap that starts riots, not ends them!
I`m not going to argue for either side, as both are stupid.
lol @ est87... yes. There is a 100% chance that will happen...
either the local colleges cancelled classes at night (when this protest was) or closed completely. Your friend didn`t go to class cause they were cancelled.
This is just the latest in sadly too many videos and stories I have come across of our first amendment right being quashed in this country.
In this day and age with "Free Speech Zones" and the fear of sedition do you think the Million Man March could happen? The anti-war protests of the 60`s and 70`s?
How about this, the protests in Tiananmen Square lasted for 7 weeks before the Chinese government cleared them out. Do you think in the current United States they would even last 7 days?
How long do you think, say 100,000 people, could gather and protest peacefully before they were kicked out?
They did lie on the ground when they were told to, and as the guy said, they began using tear gas on people already on the ground. There`s no reason for that. Also, yes they can expect to go home. If all they are doing is peacefully assembling to talk about their government, then they have every right to do that. The Police/Guard shouldn`t have been called in the first place. They had committed no crime, so they should be allowed to leave. It`s completely against our rights to be held somewhere if a crime wasn`t committed. If they were charged with a crime, they would have been taken to the station and allowed to state their case. None of this happened. The Police/Guard held them there against their will when a crime was not committed.
No it doesnt. Freedom of speech is the freedom to express yourself without fear of being attacked, intimidated or molested by government forces.
the existence of this video proves that we do.
It was at the G20 summit and I urge you to check out other videos on it.
if that hapened here the media would be all over it like hungry dogs that havent been feed in 3 years (exagerating of course :P)
i must say it shocked me a little since we always heard that USA is the land of freedom...
then again maybe something happened that isn`t told i dont know ...