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222 Responses to Christian Extremists Disrupt Hindu Guest Prayer

  1. Profile photo of Nidonemo
    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    November 18, 2009 at 4:07 pm
    Link: Christian Extremists Disrupt Hindu Guest Prayer - A Hindu guest prayer invocation for the U.S. Senate is disrupted by extremists.
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    lukas1051 Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 1:21 pm
    Wow, what a bunch of disrespectful dicks.
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    seabass101dg Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 1:24 pm
    This is why I hate all religions.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    November 20, 2009 at 1:24 pm
    How sad that there are still people (I hesitate to call them Americans) who don`t believe in freedom of religion.
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    TopperHey Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 1:25 pm
    Douches... Still, life goes on.
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    Pindragon Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 1:27 pm
    So much for the golden rule...

    Some groups of Christians make me rather sick...

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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    November 20, 2009 at 1:28 pm
    Well that was uneventful! IF it was the indonesian govt they would have reguby tackled him!
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    Pindragon Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 1:34 pm
    It kills me the way Christians will sign petitions to keep the name God in the Pledge of Alligence and to have religious monuments remain on public grounds, but the SECOND someone of another faith wants to say a prayer, they treat him so poorly...

    Sickening...

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    Satkela Female 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 1:35 pm
    I for one am a Christian and I love Jesus and try to follow Gods Words, Commandments, advice and suggestions, as much as possible, one of whichi is to treat others the way you want to be treated, If they were giving a prayer, I bet they wouldn`t want any Hindu`s interupting them rudely, It`s hard enough to be a part of the Christian religion with all of the hypocrites out there making us look bad, but thier just being plain rude, if they don`t like what or who he`s praying to then they don`t have to listen, Don`t judge and be awful to a person just because thier doing what they feel is right. I know if I`m praying to God, I don`t want somebody yelling over me, So i`m definitely not going to do that to someone else!
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    Pindragon Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 1:38 pm
    Hear, hear, to Satkella.

    Well put.

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    Spirithound Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 1:38 pm
    "This is why I hate all religions."

    3 people influenced you against all religion?
    really, if it`s not religion, somebody will find something else to hate.

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    MadP Female 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 1:43 pm
    I guess you could say I`m atheist, but I`d still have respected that gentleman`s right to do his thang.
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    Slmmhmmr161 Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 1:43 pm
    This is why I can`t stand Christians.

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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 1:52 pm
    1) What happened to separation of church and state? I assumed prayer wasn`t allowed in the senate?

    2) If it isn`t allowed, they should be annoyed, and I think it`s fair they shout out a comparative prayer. Otherwise, I agree they`re simply jackasses.

    3) Would you prefer they sue? Why is this better?

    4) "This is why I hate all religions." <== Comments like that are why you have more in common with the people in the stands than the guy at the podium.

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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 1:56 pm
    technically there really shouldnt be an openning prayer in the senate at all.
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    Turnshroud Female 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 1:56 pm
    Ahh, this is pretty old. Stumbled upon it on youtube once and was thinking of putting it on IAB.

    Anyways, I am wondering why this speaker is in Senate in the first place. And yes, those Christians were rude

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    Lolcats Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 1:57 pm
    drat I hate retarded christians...
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    PolitikiL Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 1:59 pm
    Muslims and Jews are far worse, in their own ways.
    Yet, all of these three major religions are cults, pure and simple.

    Three Cheers for Agnosticism!

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    sfcg Male 30-39
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    November 20, 2009 at 1:59 pm
    I hope the Sargeant at Arms dislocated that guys shoulder.
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    captainkat Female 13-17
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    November 20, 2009 at 2:01 pm
    what dicks. if i were there id slap them, and im a christian. let people believe what they want and dont give them crap for it. why is that so hard?
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    ElSombrero Male 13-17
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    November 20, 2009 at 2:01 pm
    Can`t the Pope start reconsidering excommunication?

    Sure.. it`s mean... but it would scare our (Christianity`s) more... passionate... members into shutting up once and a while.

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    DavidXJ Male 30-39
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    November 20, 2009 at 2:04 pm
    This makes us all look bad. As a Christian, just don`t pray along if you`re not Hindu. For Pete`s sake.
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    TopperHey Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 2:05 pm
    ElSombrero: the Pope only rules the Catholics. Carry on.
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    cloud7zero Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 2:17 pm
    This is why people hate Christians, because morons like this dont respect other peoples rights to believe what they want. If you believe a hindu is going to hell thats your belief, keep it to yourself and let them keep theirs.
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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    November 20, 2009 at 2:22 pm
    @ cloud7zero

    I`ve read the bible. Thats my reason!

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    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
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    November 20, 2009 at 2:25 pm
    I would have laughed so hard if the hindu just whipped out a shotgun and blew that nutjob`s head off.
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    datubaman198 Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 2:26 pm
    This is why Christians suck balls. They preach tolerance, yet you get f*cking idiots like this. Go keep your f*cking religion somewhere else you nuts.
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    Mweebles Female 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 2:27 pm
    One thing I don`t respect is when people don`t bring up the nerve to show tolerance to those that are from a different culture than they are, or just different in general.
    If everything was a cookie-cutter world, it would be damn boring.
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    MisuriX Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 2:28 pm
    i just thanks the lord i`m an atheist..

    we dont suffer these problems.. i let people belive what they want.. it was very rude for the dumb cristians to interupt..

    but truth be told.. everything that goes tits up in the world is down to religion.. so ostricising the guy that hates religion doesnt put him on the side of teh dumb cristians.. it make him better than them.. i love what dogma taught us..

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    RecycleElf Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 2:28 pm
    Why does religion has anything to do with state and guvornment? Why arn`t everyone just socialists?
    ...we could get so freaken further if ppl just pulled themselfs together <=/
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    Zerocyde Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 2:32 pm
    [email protected]

    Hey, non-retarded religious people, you might wanna let your ignorant friends know that their actions are the best support for Atheism we could ever possibly hope for, lol.

  32. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 20, 2009 at 2:36 pm
    I`m all for free speech and religion, That includes respecting others rights. Thankfully we have a country where that is possible.

    Would India`s government even allow a Christian or Jewish prayer ? I think not.

    If a Christian or Jew were to say a prayer in a government building in an Arab country, There would not only be protests and disrespect but also death threats, imprisonment, and possible execution.

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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 2:36 pm
    "what dicks. if i were there id slap them, and im a christian. let people believe what they want and dont give them crap for it. why is that so hard?"

    Eh, it`s a nice idea, but history shows that beliefs always turn into actions.

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    Koner_Rox Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 2:38 pm
    wow. religion is supposed to bring people together and inspire hope. not tear them apart and show hatred.
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    paddy215 Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 2:51 pm
    "Would India`s government even allow a Christian or Jewish prayer ?"

    yes ... hope that answers ur question.

    "There would not only be protests and disrespect but also death threats, imprisonment, and possible execution."

    in india? .. i realy hope the age of 40-49 isn`t accurate, nd this is some idiot 12 year old, beacuse if a middle aged man is stuid enough to think this then theres very little hope for the future.

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    Loxen Female 30-39
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    November 20, 2009 at 2:52 pm
    Is there a day that goes by, where Christians don`t do something to show their true colors?
    Seems we never run out of this kind of content. :)
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    vstorm Male 30-39
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    November 20, 2009 at 2:53 pm
    CrakrJak, you are getting confused between India and the Middle East. India is much more liberal.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    November 20, 2009 at 2:53 pm
    wow. religion is supposed to bring people together and inspire hope. not tear them apart and show hatred.

    I think you`re either joking, an alien or posting from an extremely unusual and isolated community, because the idea of religion on Earth bringing people together in hope is ridiculous and goes completely against the entirety of recorded history. Religion has always been a force for division and hatred, except sometimes in places where there is only one religion (and usually not even then, as there would be division within the religion and hatred between those divisions).

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    Megido Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 2:54 pm
    "wow. religion is supposed to bring people together and inspire hope. not tear them apart and show hatred."

    See that only applies to other people of the same faith. Should you happen to believe in the wrong god, or even worse: no god, you are an abominable heretic who will be tortured forever in hellfire. But god loves you.

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    dracokain Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 2:55 pm
    So just because he is christian and not white people flip out. God some people don`t deserve to practice any kind of religion.
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    Tisjokar Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 2:57 pm
    But CrakrJak... were not like them, we have sanity and freedom.
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    revdrdark Male 40-49
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    November 20, 2009 at 3:00 pm
    CrakrJak, where do you get your dumb ideas about India?
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    November 20, 2009 at 3:03 pm
    Would India`s government even allow a Christian or Jewish prayer ? I think not.

    And you`d be wrong. There are millions of Christians in India. They face attacks from Hindus, including torture, murder and attempted mass murder, but that is illegal. The Indian government certainly allows Christianity - there are Christian churches. Although I`m sure they wouldn`t allow Christian prayers in the Indian government building and that if they did the response from Hindu extremists would be far worse than the Christians shouting in this video.

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    michaelcsr Male 40-49
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    November 20, 2009 at 3:06 pm
    As a Christian, I`d have to take that asshat to task and tell him that in the country that elected you, the Hindu guy has just as much right as you in his religion. One thing that people don`t seem to realize is that there is NOT and never has been freedom of religion in this country. Only freedom from PERSICUTION of religion. In other words, in the USA, you can`t be put in prison or fined for believing diferently than, say the president, spriritualy speaking. YOu`re free not believe the Bible, Quaran or the Hunters bible and not have the churce elders breaking down your door with clubs. But, that`s as far as it goes. Dillweeds like those two in the senate are NOT practicing what Jesus taught.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    November 20, 2009 at 3:07 pm
    in india? .. i realy hope the age of 40-49 isn`t accurate, nd this is some idiot 12 year old, beacuse if a middle aged man is stuid enough to think this then theres very little hope for the future.

    It`s you who are, by your own standards, stupid.

    CrackrJak is completely right. It`s been happening for several years now. "Protests and disrespect" are very common and assault and murder are fairly common. That`s just for Christians existing. If there were Christian prayers in the Indian government, people would die.

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    Megido Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 3:12 pm
    Don`t really see how a bunch of retards in India justify retards in America though. Both parties are still idiots that need to sit down and shut the f***k up. Thena gain, what does human rights mean in the face of god, i guess. They are probably stupid enough to think that they are in fact doing gods work by being asshats.
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    paddy215 Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 3:18 pm
    Angillon, so your sayin there WOULD be imprisonment and executions if someone said a christian prayer in India?
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    LemonTarte Female 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 3:22 pm
    This is kind of in response to CrakrJak`s comment but I`ve gone to Delhi many times and for the most part Hindu`s, Muslim`s, and Christian`s live to together very well and are respectful of each other`s religion. People are accepting of the Christian faith. There is even a cross in my grandmother`s prayer room. I`m sure if a general Christian prayer was offered in an Indian parliment meeting, people would accept it. Not saying that everyone would be pleased, but the reality is a far, FAR cry from death threats and execution.
  49. Profile photo of LemonTarte
    LemonTarte Female 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 3:24 pm
    Oh, excuse my spelling. It`s rather atrocious today.
  50. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    November 20, 2009 at 3:36 pm
    Angillon, so your sayin there WOULD be imprisonment and executions if someone said a christian prayer in India?

    CrackrJak didn`t say that about India, so you`re talking about the wrong part of the world anyway.

    I am saying that there would be protests far, far worse than this one if a Christian prayer was said in the Indian government building. Protests, death threats, riots and murder. Which is happening anyway, but would happen even worse under those circumstances.

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    elphienotfae Female 13-17
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    November 20, 2009 at 3:39 pm
    Damn Christian bas*tards! Don`t they realize no one cares about their F-cking god? They need to learn to respect the beliefs of others. And the worst part is, they can get away with it cuz they`re Christian!
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    esopillar34 Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 3:49 pm
    "elphienotfae
    Female, 13-17,
    Damn Christian bas*tards! Don`t they realize no one cares about their F-cking god? They need to learn to respect the beliefs of others."

    The irony, it`s so delicious I wish I could spread it on my toast...

    THESE PSYCHOS DO NOT REPRESENT CHRISTIANITY. If you actually form an opinion based on these idiots, you`re no better than people who think all black people are criminals because they saw one, or all gay people are flamboyant psychos. The hypocrisy is amazing.

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    ElDavo Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 3:51 pm
    America isn`t a Christian nation. Sure, a majority of the population is Christian of some sort, but the government is entirely neutral. I hate the fact that these non-nice individuals can`t handle a largely traditional gesture to open the Senate with a prayer because that prayer isn`t Christian.
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    Murcu Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 3:55 pm
    But Angillon dude, our lack of intolerance is what makes the country so wonderful. Extremist Christian or Extremist Muslim, let a person do whatever he likes so long as it doesn`t harm anyone. Hindus, especially, seem quite undeserving of our hate. India is a country in religious turmoil and constant violence via terrorism (each part being equallly guilty) let us prove out superiority by BEING superior. Let em all come here. The issue probably isn`t religion, it`s probably racism. But whatever, planet Earth is chaos, eh?
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    November 20, 2009 at 3:58 pm
    Angilion, rather than call you out regarding your painfully obvious ignorance regarding Indian culture, I invite you to do a little reading beyond, say, Wikipedia (but I`ll bet you haven`t even checked there, have you?). :-(
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    November 20, 2009 at 4:03 pm
    Religion has always been a force for division and hatred, except sometimes in places where there is only one religion (and usually not even then, as there would be division within the religion and hatred between those divisions).

    As someone who grew up in Belfast, Northern Ireland, where people blew each other into chunks of charred meat for 4 decades for being a slightly different flavour of Christian, I have to agree with this statement.

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    rickbub Male 40-49
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    November 20, 2009 at 4:12 pm
    As a Christian, of COURSE I believe that my God is the one true God (or I wouldn`t BE a Christian). That being said, for this to happen in a country where religious freedom is touted, this is an embarrassment...
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    vorpalsword Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 4:22 pm
    I REALLY dont like getting into flame wars but...
    its human nature to be factitious ,we are always divided no matter what
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    vE Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 4:24 pm
    yeah if i were christian i`d be ashamed too. also, i dont like it when people start off their sentences with "as a christian..." or "well, i`m a christian so..." but thats mostly just a pet peeve of mine.
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    shunpo_31 Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 4:28 pm
    the problem is the "let US pray" part. go to hell, dude. I wouldn`t force you to pray to God, don`t force me to pray to your god.
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    mrbungle Male 30-39
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    November 20, 2009 at 5:01 pm
    shunpo_31
    "the problem is the "let US pray" part. go to hell, dude. I wouldn`t force you to pray to God, don`t force me to pray to your god."

    Really???
    If you don`t want to pray to his god (which is the same god your god is) then don`t. It`s like TV, if you don`t want to watch then stop paying attention. He`s not forcing you to do anything.

    P.s. the Christian fundamentalists are just as wacked out crazy as the Muslims are, your both the same mouthwash, just swished to either side.

    P.P.s I don`t care what your response is so don`t bother.

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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    November 20, 2009 at 5:01 pm
    Angilion, rather than call you out regarding your painfully obvious ignorance regarding Indian culture, I invite you to do a little reading beyond, say, Wikipedia (but I`ll bet you haven`t even checked there, have you?).

    Have you been living on the moon for the last few years? The level of ignorance of current affairs that you`re showing indicates that you are no longer familiar with Earth.

    How many different sources would you like me to cite supporting my posts? Don`t bother with Wikipedia - it isn`t reliable.

    I`m going suggest something that you`ll find radical:

    If you think anything I`ve written is wrong, explain what and why.

    Alternatively, continue as you are. You`re providing me with some entertainment.

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    Zerocyde Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 5:04 pm
    ElDavo, that`s how it is supposed to be, and luckily, atm we have a president who believes that, but don`t go thinking that our government is neutral on religion. For example, Bush and McCain both (on separate occasions) have publicly stated that America is a "Christian nation" and that only christians should be allowed to be president. Hell, that was my main deciding factor in choosing Obama over McCain.

    Anyway, there are many Americans, and many even in our government that would see Christianity an American requirement. These are the same people that adamantly support our current (and NOT original) PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE (let me say those words again...) PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE with the Christan god slapped in the middle of it.

    Pretty disgusting for a first world country in the year 2000 and drating 9 isn`t it?

  64. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    November 20, 2009 at 5:10 pm
    the problem is the "let US pray" part. go to hell, dude. I wouldn`t force you to pray to God, don`t force me to pray to your god.

    That part doesn`t bother me because `us` doesn`t necessarily mean `everyone who can hear me`.

    When a theist says `let us pray`, I interpret `us` to refer to other theists of the same religion and possibly theists of other religions, depending on the content of the prayer. You might, for example, have moderate theists of different religions praying together for an end to a religious war.

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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    November 20, 2009 at 5:13 pm
    Murcu:

    You`re apparently replying to me, but how is your post relevant to mine?

  66. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    November 20, 2009 at 5:16 pm
    its human nature to be factitious ,we are always divided no matter what

    We are tribal apes, but we don`t have to be *only* tribal apes. We are capable of being less factious.

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    AnwarNova Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 5:23 pm
    MrBungle

    "P.s. the Christian fundamentalists are just as wacked out crazy as the Muslims are, your both the same mouthwash, just swished to either side."

    Wow...where to start with this comment. I guess the basic two are:
    1) Nowhere near all Muslims are waked out crazy.
    2) Christian fundamentalists are nowhere near the level of illogically violent as Muslim fendamentalists

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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    November 20, 2009 at 5:35 pm
    Have you been living on the moon for the last few years? The level of ignorance of current affairs that you`re showing indicates that you are no longer familiar with Earth.

    Angilion, here is one of many, many, many (believe it or not, your choice)... http://www.dharwad.com/dcforum/national/...

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    AnwarNova Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 5:53 pm
    SmagBoy what kind of article is that lol the author is woefully ignorant and dismisses persecution of christians india without so much of a single source.

    this is just one article, but there are a LOT more..hindu persecution of christians in india is not uncommon.
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article4687075.ece

    Meanwhile, you criticize angilion of not even looking at wikipedia. have you? lol

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Christ...

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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 5:55 pm
    SmagBoy1: the tags for that are . Without the spaces, obviously.
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    BahamaBoy Male 13-17
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    November 20, 2009 at 6:15 pm
    i wonder if they(the Christians) call themselves democrats????
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    npdarren Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 6:22 pm
    I`m glad I`m an Atheist when it comes to sh*t like this. If I was there, I`d listen respectively and be tolerant because I have no preconceived religious ideas.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    November 20, 2009 at 6:24 pm
    THESE PSYCHOS DO NOT REPRESENT CHRISTIANITY.

    The same bleat from the Muslims who denounce 9-11. So-called "moderate" religious types are always quick to denounce the acts of the few "extremists". Thing is, you`re all reading from the same book.

    The sooner we grow up as a modern society and accept that religion is just another horsewank enforced tribalism, the better off we`ll be. We might even save the species.

    Example. You`re white or you`re black. You support one football team or another, and wear their colours. You`re from one nation or another, and so wear their flag. These are all fair enough, and are cause for conflict.

    As I`ve siad before, I grew up in Northern Ireland, where we`re all white, all support Ireland football team, and are all Irish. Who would we have known who the enemy was if we didn`t have labels like "Catholic" and "Protestant" to put on people? We wouldn`t know who it was we were meant to shoot!

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    davymid Male 30-39
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    November 20, 2009 at 6:24 pm
    In conclusion: Religion. Sh*t it.
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    SuperSmash Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 6:24 pm
    Dude, I saw a Christian sneeze and not cover his mouth. That has to mean that all Christians are horrible people.
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    hi2pi Male 30-39
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    November 20, 2009 at 6:27 pm
    Sergeant-at-arms needs a taser.
    What an embarrassment. Those hecklers weren`t Christians, they were rabble, pure and simple. And it`s seditionists such as Glen Beck that keep them going. Teabaggers.
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    Parasite Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 6:29 pm
    America, land of the free ;)
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    Jonas999 Male 30-39
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    November 20, 2009 at 6:33 pm
    So some christian spoke over someone elses prayer in a rude manner. Thats terrible, oh wait...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf3V1K0Xu...
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    Spirithound Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 6:36 pm
    "So some christian spoke over someone elses prayer in a rude manner. Thats terrible, oh wait..."

    Have any Hindus killed Americans in Iraq?

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    davymid Male 30-39
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    November 20, 2009 at 6:36 pm
    Dude, I saw a Christian sneeze and not cover his mouth. That has to mean that all Christians are horrible people.

    Missing the point, Smash. I saw a Muslim bring the Twin Towers down and kill several thousand people. That does NOT mean that Muslims are horrible people. What it does mean, however, is that Islam (like Christianity) is capable of fostering great deeds of unspeakable, reprehensible evil. As John Lennon said in his song "Imagine",

    Imagine there`s no Heaven
    It`s easy if you try
    No hell below us
    Above us only sky
    Imagine all the people
    Living for today

    Imagine there`s no countries
    It isn`t hard to do
    Nothing to kill or die for
    And no religion too
    Imagine all the people
    Living life in peace

    You may say that I`m a dreamer
    But I`m not the only one
    I hope someday you`ll join us
    And the world will be as one"

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    davymid Male 30-39
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    November 20, 2009 at 6:48 pm
    Alright, enough hippy stuff. I have to say though that the guy had a point. Just before he got shot in the face by a Mentalist Christian
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    squirebag Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 6:49 pm
    can we stop the personal attacks?!?
    lets just play bloons
    http://www.topgamez.net/shooters/bloons
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    _kiersten_ Female 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 6:59 pm
    That is ridiculous. I don`t care how much you don`t like another religion. That is ignorant and disrespectful. I swear...people amaze me sometimes with their level of stupidity.
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    peglegsam Female 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 7:00 pm
    video of a jackass. now i am... pissed?? well i`m not bored. still love you IAB :3
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    lerie Female 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 7:21 pm
    Extremists: whatever their religion is, they suck.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    November 20, 2009 at 7:26 pm
    Extremists: whatever their religion is, they suck.

    Remove the religion, and whaddya got? (hint: it`s better)

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    ImmortalZach Male 13-17
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    November 20, 2009 at 7:36 pm
    Extremists: whatever their religion is, they suck.
    Remove the religion, and whaddya got? (hint: it`s better)

    Extremism?

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    cannibal151 Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 7:53 pm
    Throw all Christians into the pit!
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    wiredtobits Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 8:13 pm
    *sniff* *sniff* is that trolls I smell???
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    SuperSmash Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 8:13 pm
    There would be plenty of extremism without religion. It seems part of human nature to join like-minded groups and when you get a bunch of people together who all agree it oftens leads to extremism.

    In other words, I think many people who are religious extremists would just be some kind of other extremists if religion weren`t around.

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    Bluedot34 Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 8:30 pm
    The US was founded as a Christian based country
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    vorpalsword Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 8:47 pm
    Were these screams coming from our congressmen and women or was it just some hecklers? I hope its not the former
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    Poker_Face Female 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 8:48 pm
    I don`t like that they had him leading a prayer, and I sure would let my expressions do all the talking.

    But I kinda feel sorry for the guy, even though I believe he`s been mislead(although I`m sure plenty of you would say the same about me).

    I`m pretty shocked that there are still people willing to stand up against it...even though I don`t have much of a problem with it.

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    Poker_Face Female 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 8:50 pm
    Ok, that last sentence didn`t make much sense. I`m pretty shocked that there were Christians in the crowd willing to stand up against it. And although I`m surprised, I don`t have much of a problem with what they did.
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    LemonTarte Female 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 8:53 pm
    So we do have some delusionally religious people on here.
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    HolyHanna Female 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 9:00 pm
    Bluedot34: "The US was founded as a Christian based country"

    Um...no. Do your research. http://nobeliefs.com/Tripoli.htm

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    Omega192 Male 13-17
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    November 20, 2009 at 9:09 pm
    @Bluedot34: and just where did you hear that?
    the majority, if not all, of the founding fathers were either atheist or extremely against religion.
    "Lighthouses are more helpful than churches."
    -Benjamin Franklin
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    Poker_Face Female 18-29
    51 posts
    November 20, 2009 at 9:10 pm
    I just went through and read all of these comments.

    To all the p.u.s.s.y.a.s.s. "christians" who say, of that`s terrible! We need tolerance! The Golden Rule! That`s not what Jesus taught!

    hjjkgdsnmaskjhfa you guys are idiots.

    Jesus did not do the tolerance thing! Love, yes! Tolerance, no! That`s one of the problems with the Christian church today--they breed a `live and let live`, roll-over-and-take-it bunch of believers. You commenters seem to be sayers and definitely not doers.

    This is not to say that I think Christians should be standing on the street corners with Repent signs or shoving it into people`s faces that they are going to hell, but I am proud(still shocked, though) that these people spoke out for what they firmly believe, because hey, you know what? They don`t want the world to listen to and believe that crap(yes I just called his religion crap! I`m sure you`ll do the same to me!). They`re ashamed of what our country`s become..and so am I.

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    Kat77 Female 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 9:15 pm
    I agree with Kiersten. I`m 100% Atheist, but I have NEVER disrespected someone who wanted to express their religious beliefs, no matter how ridiculous I thought they were.
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    FlameOfUdun Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 9:26 pm
    Immature.
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    KucheKlizma Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 9:38 pm
    Poker_Face - WIN at being a stereotypical "stupid american". Also WIN at being a religious fanatic and another WIN at being an illiterate person, naively believing in unicorns, hobbits, jesus, etc.
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    Atomaton Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 9:41 pm
    i feel so bad for this guy. so many christians are such intolerant, hateful, self-centered, delusional, sociopaths. i`ve said it before and i`ll say it again: the world would be a better, safer place without christianity.
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    Poker_Face Female 18-29
    51 posts
    November 20, 2009 at 9:46 pm
    Hey, I`m just chastising so-called Christians on here for what they are saying(and supporting the right of free speech, which parts of your continent doesn`t seem to have much of). If you do something, do it right!

    Actually, though, I`m not one to talk. Even though you call me a religious fanatic, I don`t practice these beliefs. I fully believe that if I died right now, I`d go to hell. I don`t care if you call me delusional, I`ll throw it right back in your face...and we`ll both find out the truth, when we`re dead.

    Unicorns? Hobbits? Oh my, how did you know that I structure my life on those fantasies! :heavy sarcasm intended: At least Jesus is a historical character, even if YOU don`t believe some of the things written about him.

    But I am super curious how any of this makes me an `illiterate person`.

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    Poker_Face Female 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 9:54 pm
    Parts of your continent don`t seem to have**
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    November 20, 2009 at 10:07 pm
    What a bunch of idiots. They should have just strapped bombs to themselves and blown the whole place to a pile of bloody gore and rubble. Maybe then people would stop insulting Christianity and say it`s a religion of peace.
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    itsallfake Male 30-39
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    November 20, 2009 at 10:18 pm
    <i>in india? .. i realy hope the age of 40-49 isn`t accurate, nd this is some idiot 12 year old, beacuse if a middle aged man is stuid enough to think this then theres very little hope for the future.</i>

    Actually, yes, in India. They still execute people for witchcraft in India... The % of that country that is civilized i would put at about 5%. With maybe, MAYBE 10% of it`s population actually living in the civilized areas.

    I could link to you some stories of men and women being publicly executed this year, not 200 years ago, for being accused of witchcraft...

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    Poker_Face Female 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 10:21 pm
    Yeah, I was speaking to the other guy.

    http://www.neverthirsty.org/pp/historica...

    Not the best, but still shows secular knowledge of Jesus.

    http://users.binary.net/polycarp/jesus.h...

    http://www.mtio.com/articles/aissar29.ht...

    Those are all similar. Basically google `secular history of Jesus`.

    And if you`re ever interested in a book, The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel is good.

    Yes, it was rude. But everyday people are much, much worse. When I was younger I worked in fast food, and believe me, what customers will say to you for no reason is much worse than this.

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    Poker_Face Female 18-29
    51 posts
    November 20, 2009 at 10:23 pm
    @OldOllie at first I laughed at what you said. And then I remembered that people actually think that way...
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    trp712 Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 10:28 pm
    <i>...</i>

    It`s actually TEXT HERE , without the spaces.

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    Atomaton Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 10:29 pm
    (clicked delete instead of edit profile...i feel stupid now. this is what i had posted)
    1: pokerface, i hope you were refering to the other person who used the word delusional because i was not addressing you...yet.
    2. now i am. show me one shred of evidence that proves old jesus was ever around (if you can come up with something i`ll shut up)
    3. freedom of speech is one thing. inconsiderately denying someone else their`s (especially when they are given the floor in congress) is just wrong and goes against everything the 1st amendment stands for
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    deadguy83 Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 10:34 pm
    I will never be ashamed of Christ and his teachings, but I am ashamed of other Christians radical and rude bahavior, such as this.
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    Poker_Face Female 18-29
    51 posts
    November 20, 2009 at 10:39 pm
    @deadguy83 What do you think Jesus would have done if he was there? If you answered something moronic like, "He would sit there and be tolerant of other people`s religions LOL," then I can say that you are wrong. Not that I`d know exactly what he`d do, but we all know Jesus had a little bit of a temper sometimes.

    A lot people like to say what you`re saying, but I bet you`d be ashamed and embarrassed to follow Jesus if he was alive in this day and age.

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    KucheKlizma Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 10:43 pm
    @Poker_Face

    Yeah me continent do be lacking them Free Speaches. But there be a lot of Dragons `ere. Aye matey.
    So do you also believe my continent has a capital? Do you know what is the official religion of my continent is?

    Oh so you`re also a hypocrite then, nice of you to mention it?

    Jesus - a hystorical figure? Care to elaborate? Know of any archaeological data of his existance. Or any documents from his time, in which he is mentioned? Or any historians from his time, that have mentioned him? Even when modern history claims Jesus exists, it also explictly says that almost nothing said in the gospels about him is true. So yeah - maybe his name wasn`t really Jesus - okay maybe he didn`t have any disciples - well yeah he wasn`t crucified - he was kinda of a douchebag actually - but there you go - he REAAAALY existed. Get it?

    And also - about sarcasm - you`re doing it wrong.

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    itsallfake Male 30-39
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    November 20, 2009 at 10:47 pm
    ok, finished reading the thread to this moment. First, the US was NOT formed as a christian nation. Some of the creators were christian, but others were of other faiths. This country was SETTLED by christians, but that was hundreds of years before the "Age of Enlightenment". As it stands, out Forefathers, the men who laid to architecture this nation were freemasons of the highest degree. 33rd. The constitution is a mesh of the freemason ideology and the magna carta. free speach and free religion being the highest on the list were of freemason design and structure. You can visit any lodge and you will find every major religious codex/bible/book on the altar. It is by no coincidence that 33% of the signers to the constitution were freemasons. Christian founded? Why then would Washington DC have first been named New Rome? Why would the capital building be a temple of Minerva? Why did the founders escalate washington to godhood? Because christ said so?
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    Corpsecrank Male 30-39
    930 posts
    November 20, 2009 at 10:55 pm
    When you act like that you give your own religion a bad rep why would you do that? It completely goes against what the religion is even about in many cases yet these people still do that kinda of crap.

    This is why so many people have moved away from religion as a whole.

    I am not an atheist but I refuse to associate myself with any form of organized religion specifically because of this type of behavior.

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    Poker_Face Female 18-29
    51 posts
    November 20, 2009 at 10:57 pm
    @KucheKlizma

    I already posted links for another guy on the secular history of Jesus. Scroll down a tad bit.

    No, I wouldn`t say that I`m a hypocrite. The dictionary definition is `a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.` I state that while I believe these things, I don`t practice them.

    I`m not even going to directly address your other statements because clearly you`re one of those people who thinks they`re hilarious and tries to argue all the wrong ways and just shows your immaturity. I`m sure you`re just trying to get a rise out of me. ;)

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    mjfoxman Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 11:02 pm
    Atomation - "the world would be a better, safer place without christianity."

    way to be as intolerant and hateful as you said the man in the video was.

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    Poker_Face Female 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 11:03 pm
    I`m going to delve a little bit further on the hypocrite thing because I didn`t do a good job the first time through.

    I believe these things, but I don`t practice them AND I am upfront to everyone that I don`t practice them. And I don`t try to condemn people for doing something that goes against my beliefs.

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    KucheKlizma Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 11:07 pm
    So we`ve come back to illiteracy, eh? Which reminds me - is English your first laguage?
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    Poker_Face Female 18-29
    51 posts
    November 20, 2009 at 11:10 pm
    @KucheKlizma If you`d like to sidestep everything else, then sure, let`s talk about how you`ve failed to point out how I`m illiterate.
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    KucheKlizma Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 11:13 pm
    Let`s start with:
    1. Not knowing what "hypocrite" means.
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    Poker_Face Female 18-29
    51 posts
    November 20, 2009 at 11:16 pm
    Actually I put the dictionary definition of the word in my post soooo...
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    KucheKlizma Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 11:19 pm
    2. Failiure to understand the meaning of a word, even after viewing it`s definition.
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    November 20, 2009 at 11:20 pm
    You can say I`m in denial about it, but you`re totally off base in saying I don`t know what it means.
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    belunan Male 30-39
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    November 20, 2009 at 11:22 pm
    I grew up Catholic, but my best lesson in religion came from Ronnie James Dio:

    We pray to someone
    But when it`s said and done
    It`s really all the same
    With just a different name

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    KucheKlizma Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 11:26 pm
    @Poker_Face
    So you fail at understanding it`s meaning because you are in denial of it`s correlation with you? I thought I was doing the criticism part... But anyway, tremendously good job on pointing that out!

    Anyway I have to go now, so carry on merrily with the flame war or something like that. Bye...

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    trp712 Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 11:28 pm
    Oh God, we`ve descended into sarcasm? That`s never good.
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    Poker_Face Female 18-29
    51 posts
    November 20, 2009 at 11:37 pm
    @KucheKlizma You`re obviously ignoring things I`ve said to try to make your point. It`s a great strategy, because all you see(or choose to comment on), is what you want to see, ignoring all other points of logic I`ve made, making it impossible to have a proper argument. So, in your mind, this is a win for you, while I walk away shaking my head at your narrow-mindedness.

    And then the world goes on and nobody cares about stupid arguments that two insignificant people have had.

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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    November 20, 2009 at 11:37 pm
    I`m glad I`m an Atheist when it comes to sh*t like this. If I was there, I`d listen respectively and be tolerant because I have no preconceived religious ideas.

    I`m also an atheist, but my point of view is a bit different. I am in favour of the seperation of church and state, so I am opposed to imposing a religious service on a session of a parliamentary body in an official parliament building.

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    trp712 Male 18-29
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    November 20, 2009 at 11:38 pm
    So, in your mind, this is a win for you, while I walk away shaking my head at your narrow-mindedness.

    People, I give you, the flame war!

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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    November 20, 2009 at 11:42 pm
    Angilion, here is one of many, many, many (believe it or not, your choice)...

    Believe that some people are manipulating religious tension for their own ends?

    Certainly.

    Believe that *every* news source is completely lying?

    No.

    Believe that religious persecution in the past justifies religious persecution in the present?

    No.

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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    November 20, 2009 at 11:47 pm
    What a bunch of idiots. They should have just strapped bombs to themselves and blown the whole place to a pile of bloody gore and rubble. Maybe then people would stop insulting Christianity and say it`s a religion of peace.

    Good point, well made.

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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    November 20, 2009 at 11:51 pm
    I`m also quite amused by references to Indian culture, i.e. singular, by the people who are arguing that it`s utterly wonderful and any accounts of anything bad done by anyone Hindu (not that they`re ignoring the fact that not all Indians are Hindus) is a lie.

    India is a vast and extremely varied country. It`s so varied that it`s debateable whether it is a single country at all. The idea that it has a single culture is silly.

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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    November 20, 2009 at 11:58 pm
    Basically google `secular history of Jesus`.

    And find that there isn`t one, not directly.

    You`ll find a lot of historians born after Jesus is supposed to have died reporting that Christians exist in their time and believe that Jesus existed, but that`s not the same thing. No-one is disputing the existence of Christians as early as the very late 1st century and no-one is disputing that Christians believe that Jesus existed, and that`s all that secular historical accounts prove. Although none of the early ones mention the name `Jesus`, of course, because that name didn`t exist back then.

    Personally, I think there`s adequate evidence to support the existence of a person of unknown name who, just under 2000 years ago, preached a reform of Judaism radical enough to split Judaism and start a new religion.

    But I don`t think it`s proven.

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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    November 21, 2009 at 12:02 am
    show me one shred of evidence that proves old jesus was ever around (if you can come up with something i`ll shut up)

    I`m not pokerface, but I can answer your challenge:

    The existence of Christianity.

    In order for Christianity to exist, someone must have been preaching radical reform of Judaism, radical enough to split Judaism and start Christianity. That can be traced to about the right time.

    Although what we call Christianity goes back to Paul (who wasn`t really called Paul), not Jesus (who wasn`t really called Jesus).

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    TR-Wolf Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2009 at 12:30 am
    I can see there`s some massive debate going on here, but I`d just like to ask what the disrupting Christians were saying? I couldn`t clearly hear them.
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    I_like_quiz Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2009 at 12:38 am
    Religion is silly.
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    Pilanus Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2009 at 12:59 am
    Ladies and gentlemen, the adult version of "LALALALALALALALA, I`M NOT LISTENING! I`M NOT LISTENING!!!"
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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2009 at 1:01 am
    "Oh God, we`ve descended into sarcasm? That`s never good."

    Especially online, you can never tell and it gets so freaking annoying.

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    xxPinkxx Female 18-29
    3829 posts
    November 21, 2009 at 3:15 am
    ugh people piss me off. I shouldnt even click these vids they always make me upset.

    They listen to our prayers, see " in god we trust" on american money, etc.

    You cant sit quietly, christians, and be respectful of the fact that there are other people and religions on this planet for ONE MINUTE AND 38 SECONDS???

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    davymid Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2009 at 3:23 am
    humphreys7, "Silly" Indian accent, really? I strongly suggest you do yourself a favour and travel outside the US before you get much older.
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    xxPinkxx Female 18-29
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    November 21, 2009 at 3:42 am
    nice job davy. i almost said that to him too, but i didnt want to sound like a b*tch so i ranted about the actual vid instead. lol
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    saintnickxii Male 18-29
    127 posts
    November 21, 2009 at 3:54 am
    wtf, the seargent at arms aint doin his job very well. And who the drat voted these ppl inot the senate? how did they get there?
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    waffle247 Male 18-29
    377 posts
    November 21, 2009 at 5:13 am
    Christians are such a bunch of idiots, so are all religious people. If you can`t prove it, it is not true. If you want to argue, go ask your god. Did he answer? No. Why? Because he does not exist. Deal with it you numbnutts!
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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2009 at 6:20 am
    waffle247

    Whoa there partner! I`m no fan of religion and as Ahteist as it gets.. but the "if you cant prove it, it`s not true" arguement? It wont work and to be honest, it`s not a worthy debate either because you can never win it. For example..I dont belive earth is the only planet with life on it in the universe, simply due to the infinite number of stars and planets out there. Now I dont revolve my life around my idiology like a christian or muslim for example, but do you see the point? I cant prove we are not alone in the universe but it dosnt mean its not true.

    Perhaps, rather than focusing on god, something no one can prove or disprove no matter how it`s turned on it`s head, perhaps focus your attention directly on the religions and what they teach, themselves. Elements of those CAN be disproven. Sure, it wont change jack for some but it`s a far stonger footing to stand on!

    Just something to think about..

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    Morrigann Male 18-29
    480 posts
    November 21, 2009 at 6:22 am
    You know, Jesus was an intolerant jerk to people of different faiths...oh wait, he totally wasnt. In fact, isnt there something he said to that effect? Something about Loving your neighbor? I`m with Ghandi on on this one: "I`d be a christian, if it weren`t for the christians"
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    waffle247 Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2009 at 6:24 am
    @Maddog - people can believe what they want. Belief doesn`t equate to truth. You may believe in life on other planets but until you can prove it, it remains a theory and should be treated with caution. If you can`t prove it to be true, it is not true. Show me one truth that cannot be proven and I will show you a theory.
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    manorrd Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2009 at 6:34 am
    Extremists like that piss me off. Thankfully, 99% of Christians I`ve met are tolerant, descent people.
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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2009 at 7:04 am
    waffle247
    Male, 18-29, Europe
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    Saturday, November 21, 2009 6:24:58 AM
    @Maddog - people can believe what they want. Belief doesn`t equate to truth. You may believe in life on other planets but until you can prove it, it remains a theory and should be treated with caution. If you can`t prove it to be true, it is not true
    --------------------------------------------------

    Wait, what? If I have theory, it`s not true till I prove it?

    I think your getting a little confused there pal!
    What we know as fact (true) and fiction (untrue) is not the same as an untestable theory (unknowable). I simply used "life out there" as an example.

    I`m simply pointing out to you, the existance of god or some supreme being is unknowable. I dont belive nor do I care.

    Elements of organised religion however, which DO attribute values to to said unkowable entity, can be proven as either true or untrue...and mostly the later! My point is this..>>

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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2009 at 7:04 am
    >> Focus on the religions themselves. They can be proven either misinterpretations, hstorically inaccurate or just outright fabrications (or outright insane in some cases).
    Whilst I share your feelings about religion I`m simply pointing out, focusing on the unknowable...it`s a circular argument you can never win! I`d rather point out where their religion is wrong when I know it`s unlikely I`ll change their minds by saying "there is no god".
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    waffle247 Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2009 at 7:15 am
    @Maddog - go look up truth in the dictionary. Now find something that`s true that cannot be proven and give an example. If you`re going to argue this further then you really need to know what the word "truth" means. To be true, it must be proven. If it cannot be proven then it is a theory or a belief, supporting evidence then makes it a truth or a fact.
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    Twisssted Female 18-29
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    November 21, 2009 at 7:51 am
    Thats just rude... but ive seen it many times before icluding when it happened to me two bible pushers stop us on the road to tell me I was wrong and that I was going to "hell" (because I beleive in more than one god and goddess)while my other friend was okay because she believes and then my other friend told them she did beleive in something but didn`t know what.. they told her she was correct and it was god...
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    BABY_BEAR Female 18-29
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    November 21, 2009 at 7:55 am
    wow, what a-holes, why would you deliberately do something that retarded?

    btw, i notice here people constantly harp on about `objective` truthes. We all live our lives on subjective truths that we neither understand or care to speculate about most of the time. We percieve the `objective` truths with our subjective selves and are unltimaely ruled by the minds in our hearts rather than the minds in our heads. No one has it over anyone here.

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    waffle247 Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2009 at 7:56 am
    "while my other friend was okay because she believes and then my other friend told them she did beleive in something but didn`t know what.. they told her she was correct and it was god..."

    exactly my point.. the term "correct" suggests a fact or a truth, when there is no evidence to support this. They "believe" your friend was correct, but they have no evidence to support this. Yet these people (and probably many others) will go on to tell their children their beliefs are all true and it is only in recent years that people are able to question these beliefs without fear of being blown up by a bunch of loonies.

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    waffle247 Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2009 at 7:59 am
    "We all live our lives on subjective truths that we neither understand or care to speculate about most of the time."

    Is this your belief? I myself prefer to live by objective truths because these can be proven to be true, a subjective truth is, by definition, not true until it has been objectively proven. By my existence I have proved your subjective truth to be flawed.

    hehe. :P

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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2009 at 8:00 am
    We *need* christian extremists to show everyone else how stupid religion is. I mean, who else can do that? Other than muslim extremists of course.
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    November 21, 2009 at 8:02 am
    Wait, what? If I have theory, it`s not true till I prove it?

    I think what the other guy meant was, if you have a theory its not *considered* true (by everyone else), until you prove it.

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    November 21, 2009 at 8:05 am
    Exactly, have a gold * LazyMe! :)
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    November 21, 2009 at 8:08 am
    Personally, I`m glad someone had the guts to do this. While I don`t believe that America has been a particularly Christian nation for a long time, I do believe that blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD (JHWH). Like so many nations, we were blessed mightily until we became a multi-denominational, ecumenical society and stopped discerning between truth and fiction in things spiritual. "If my people which are called by my name shall humble themselves and pray, and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and will heal their land."
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    November 21, 2009 at 8:09 am
    Maddog > By the looks of it, you`re not an Atheist, you`re an Agnostic.

    An Atheist realizes that its impossible to disprove god, but goes on say that since the chance of god (as according to any religion in particular) is either zero or so low that its beneath consideration and irrelevant to his life, then his default reaction becomes "I believe there is no god".

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    November 21, 2009 at 8:11 am
    "Like so many nations, we were blessed mightily until we became a multi-denominational, ecumenical society and stopped discerning between truth and fiction in things spiritual"

    When did the discerning ever begin with regards to the spiritual exactly?

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    November 21, 2009 at 8:30 am
    LazyMe484
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    Wait, what? If I have theory, it`s not true till I prove it?

    I think what the other guy meant was, if you have a theory its not *considered* true (by everyone else), until you prove it.
    --------------------------------------------------

    Thats not what I was getting at, nor in total, what I said. It`s a case of true, untrue and unknowable. It`s not black and white, which is what waffle247 is stating!

    A theory isnt "untrue" no matter how certain groups wish to paint it. It has evidence to support it. Would yopu claim the theory of evolution is untrue? It`s a theory with strong evidence..all but proven in many peoples eyes..yet it is a theory. Waffles statements would define that theory as "untrue".

    This is not the case! I`m not saying thats what waffle means , but it`s how is argument "could" be turned on its head!

    I was simply pointin

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    http://files.myopera.com/Tamil/albums/19...

    im sorry they are all idiots

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    November 21, 2009 at 8:35 am
    "A theory isnt "untrue" no matter how certain groups wish to paint it. It has evidence to support it. Would yopu claim the theory of evolution is untrue? It`s a theory with strong evidence..all but proven in many peoples eyes..yet it is a theory. Waffles statements would define that theory as "untrue"."

    It is called a theory because they can`t prove it true with the evidence collected to far. If they ever collect enough evidence it will be a "truth", until then it is merely a theory. Hence why I said show me a truth that cannot be proven and I will show you a theory. I rest my case.

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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2009 at 8:39 am
    >> pointing out the flaw in the statement.

    Oh and I AM very much an atheist. Unfortunetly for me I do get the other arguments and they have certain points. If I cant disprove something (again..we will say god) it means no matter what I belive and know to be fact, someone else can allways come along and say "but you cant prove it" thus the circular argument.

    True, untrue and unknowable. Truth I`ll argue for, untruth I`ll fight against and unknowable (and I mean real unkowable stuff..not theorys with masses of evidence supporting them) I`ll avoid debates on from now on!

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    November 21, 2009 at 8:49 am
    " it means no matter what I belive and know to be fact, someone else can allways come along and say "but you cant prove it" thus the circular argument."

    Tell that to my kitchen table. I know it`s there, this is the truth, my kitchen table exists. It is beyond a question of belief or theory, walk into it believing it`s not there and you will soon find out it is when you bang your leg. Truth and fact, theory and belief; these do not share the same definition. No matter how much you try to gray the argument, belief and theory are things which are unproven. Truths and facts are things that can be proven.

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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2009 at 8:53 am
    waffle247

    You`ve got no case to rest.

    Point: You said, and I quote "If you can`t prove it to be true, it is not true. Show me one truth that cannot be proven and I will show you a theory"

    Fine. Your words, as you said above, states a theory is "not true". So I`ll ask and perhaps you understand my point about what you are saying.

    The theory of evolution:

    Is it:

    A) True. (fact)
    B) Untrue. (fiction)
    C) Theory. (unknowable)

    Seriously...a theory (and I think you really mean hypothesis) cant be considered true or untrue if you cant prove it eitherway.

    As I said..your oversimplifying. Either you get what I`m saying or you dont..but a "theory" is not considered true/untrue in scientific circles.
    It remains a theory till proven eitherway. Creationists my claim evolution is untrue but a theory is neither true nor untrue! You cant prove it to be either...thus it remains a theory / unknowable. Slap bang in the middle of truth and untruth!

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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2009 at 8:56 am
    And reading your last post I`ll give up! When you pull the ol strawman trick and misquote my statemets about a religion into a debate over the physical aspects of your kitchen table..it`s not worth my time anymore.


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    November 21, 2009 at 8:59 am
    Eveloution is a theory. It may have happened, it may not have happened, we await the scientific community to prove this one way or the other. When the jury comes back we will review the "truth".

    Another example, a hypothesis "aliens live on a planet somewhere" ; is this true? Is this false? We can only know the answer by proving it, i.e. communicating, meeting, detecting them in some fashion - observation. So by observing this we gather evidence and can now say it is true. It is not true until we can prove it to be so, yes the aliens may still exist before we can prove it but we don`t know that till we prove it. Hence my comments about the definition of the word truth.

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    waffle247 Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2009 at 9:00 am
    "And reading your last post I`ll give up! When you pull the ol strawman trick and misquote my statemets about a religion into a debate over the physical aspects of your kitchen table..it`s not worth my time anymore."

    Now that is true... or is it? :)

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    SpankyJake Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2009 at 9:10 am
    while its true that a theory cant be completely prove to be true, lets look at the definition of a scientific theory...

    "A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena."

    you cant undeniably prove a theory to be true...but its been repeatedly tested, and found to be true enough to be accepted

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    November 21, 2009 at 9:22 am
    Ahh good a religious debate! Let the dwarf tossing commence!
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    November 21, 2009 at 9:29 am
    lulz @ silverthread - I feel bad but it made me laugh. :)

    @ spankyjake - since truth is defined (loosely) as "a fact that has been verified" and facts are used to substantiate a theory in your nicely put definition, then I would argue that you can indeed prove a theory to be true because by doing so you would have turned the theory into a fact.

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    November 21, 2009 at 9:52 am
    Let that had been a Christian up there and a Hindu being rude as hell...but that wouldnt happen because thats a very christian thing...being rude and all
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    November 21, 2009 at 9:55 am
    waffle, "the proof" of `aliens live somewhere` has been statistically proven. Even at a pessimistic percentage of 1% of all the star systems in the milky way, which is in the billions, still leaves millions of star with an earth like planet with an "advanced" civilization on it. And anyone that asks why we haven`t heard, met or contact these others. that goes back to numbers again. And as a PER-space flight civilization, we are uninteresting. No colonies or civilization beyond our biosphere, no super advanced technology, nor do we either the tech or means to travel to the next star or bend space-time...uninteresting
    Truth, like beauty, is `in the eye of the beholder`.
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    waffle247 Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2009 at 10:05 am
    Statistical evidence doesn`t equate to physical evidence. By the statistical method, somewhere out there in an universe so large there is a version of us that has slept with our own parents; now can we all see the flaw in this kind of "evidence"? I sure hope you can. :)
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    November 21, 2009 at 10:35 am
    Sigh!

    No..the problem waffle, is your interpretation.

    I`ll say it again..it might sink in!

    A theory is neither true nor untrue for it`s given value.You define it as untrue since it can not be proven true. This is incorrect! Focusing on the "alien life" debate your clinging onto ( i really should have picked a better example), we can not know the truth untill we develop the technology to do so. You can not claim, as you allready have ("If you can`t prove it to be true, it is not true") without evidence eitherway.

    A theory is neither! We can test the theory (i,.e listen for radio signals, send out deep space probes, examine meteorites) but we have no evidence eitherway. We have evidence that "may" support the theory (Google the WOW signal, Mars meteor etc) but it`s a theory until we are either visited or we vist all the other worlds out there.

    So fo now, that theory is neither true nor untrue.
    Your defaulting theories to untrue >>

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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2009 at 10:39 am
    >> indicates you know the answer before every way of testing said theory has been done! You can not claim that the unknowable is either true or untrue.

    For the last time, a theory is nether true nor flase. As allready stated, if it had a value of true or false it wouldnt be a bloody theory!

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    November 21, 2009 at 10:44 am
    maddog - I said "If it can`t be proven to be true, then it is not true" not "if it can`t be proven to be true, then it is untrue" these are 2 different statements. You can prove something to be true or prove it to be untrue but if it can`t be proven then it can not be said to be the truth.
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    waffle247 Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2009 at 10:49 am
    "For the last time, a theory is nether true nor flase. As allready stated, if it had a value of true or false it wouldnt be a bloody theory!"

    Hence why I said "I would argue that you can indeed prove a theory to be true because by doing so you would have turned the theory into a fact."

    Now I refer to your statement "And reading your last post I`ll give up!" we have now gathered the evidence to show this is untrue. :)

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    psychoshadow Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2009 at 11:08 am
    wow... extremely rude douchebaggery. i`m leaving all theology aside here. that was just wrong.
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    November 21, 2009 at 11:12 am
    But it cant be said to be "not true" either! And not true and untrue are the same bloody thing. Check a dictionary please (really..I`m not being funny. Untrue is defined as not true!)

    Not true or untrue..its the polar opposite of true. If you cant prove something as true but you cant prove it as untrue / not true either, it`s a hypothesis! It`s unknowable. In the case of a theory (Evolution for example) there is evidence that supports the theory (fossils, DNA etc) but we can not observe it happening in real time, ergo its a theory. You can not say that evolution is "not true" because it cant be proven as fact. It`s in the spectrum of unknowable/unprovable but to applie the value of "not true" to a theory is just wrong.

    That is what you have done in that one original statement. You`ve now gone on to say "if it can`t be proven then it can not be said to be the truth".

    >>>>

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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2009 at 11:12 am
    >>> You are quite correct..but it cant be disproven either, therefore it`s unknowable. Neither true nor untrue. In between.

    Now this started about god + christians, so it`s high time it went back to christians. My original point stands. Dont argue about god with a christian. Neither party can prove or disprove the existance god / flying spagetti monster.

    I WAS originally trying point out, if you want to argue with someone about their faith, dont go for the invisible sky being. Go for the religion and what it teaches. Pick out facts. Truths, as it is, that you can use to knock their house of cards down.

    And on that note I`m going out to get drunk.

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    November 21, 2009 at 11:26 am
    OK I agree with the "in between" true and untrue = a theory. Although I think that "not true" only implies that it is "untrue" not that it equates to the same thing. A theory is neither untrue or true, so the statement that "it is not true" is exactly the same as "it is not untrue" it is only in the mind of the reader that the "polar opposite" is substituted.

    I argue about anything with anyone, (hence the nickname) however the invisible super-being argument is, I agree, quite the most difficult to prove true or untrue. I don`t have an opinion on the status of truth on the being in the sky thing, although I have many others on the doctrine. One good argument I read (written by a convicted murderer actually but please try not to judge the argument by that) is this: if god exists and you are without sin, then if someone kills you, you are going to heaven; so the killer is doing them a favor. You got to love logical debate accor

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    waffle247 Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2009 at 11:27 am
    >>according to a nutter. :)
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    lukeforv123 Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2009 at 12:15 pm
    F*#K Christian Extremists.
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    November 21, 2009 at 12:44 pm
    All these "protesters" did is prove what rude, inconsiderate dicks they are- and how totally ignorant of the constitution they are. The First Amendment is pretty clear that the State will not establish an official religion- therefore this is NOT a Christian nation and it is the duty of the Senate to allow prayers of different faiths to be said on the Senate floor if they`re going to be allowing any prayers at all.
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    GothicQueen Male 13-17
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    November 21, 2009 at 1:20 pm
    ugh people are so rude. I don`t like getting into religious debates because as i`ve said before. No one ever changes their opinion.

    Those people should be deeply ashamed of themselves. I had to go online to look this up because I don`t study theology or read up on it on a daily basis so excuse me for having to copy and paste this but "Hinduism is a diverse system of thought with beliefs spanning monotheism, polytheism, panentheism, pantheism, monism, and atheism, and its concept of God is complex and depends upon each particular tradition and philosophy. It is sometimes referred to as henotheistic (i.e., involving devotion to a single god while accepting the existence of others), but any such term is an overgeneralization."

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    GothicQueen Male 13-17
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    November 21, 2009 at 1:22 pm
    (continues from below)

    The one man citing the commandment "thou shalt haveno other gods before me" should probably do his homework about other religions before spouting off nonsense he knows nothing about. Al this man was trying to do was say a prayer. the guy didn`t know anything about his religion at all and just jumped to conclusions. Hinduism is peaceful religion that teaches tolerance and karma. Something Jesus seemed to know a lot about. Christians should behave more like their messiah instead of spewing hate and ignorance.

    To quote Gandhi "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

    that`s all i`m going to say.

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    tails-tails Male 13-17
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    November 21, 2009 at 1:58 pm
    Couldnt we just beat him up with a bible? for god sakes. im no christian extremist but i was wanting a bible fight >:o
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    youngdz79 Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2009 at 2:48 pm
    what douche bags they are. If these idiots would actually read other religions books they would all realize that they worship the same non existent thing
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    November 21, 2009 at 2:55 pm
    wow... all those people shouting in that room and those are people that are *in the senate* wow. they deserve a foot in their ass.
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    November 21, 2009 at 3:03 pm
    Yo Hindu priest, im really happy for you and imma let you finish but, we think our religion is the best of all time!
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    November 21, 2009 at 3:20 pm
    Eveloution is a theory. It may have happened, it may not have happened, we await the scientific community to prove this one way or the other.

    In those few words, you show that you don`t understand any of the concepts you`re talking about: evolution, science and theory (in a scientific context).

    Evolution is fact. You can even watch it happening if you want to.

    The theory of evolution is a scientific theory that has stood for a long time, which means that many people have tried and failed to disprove it. It`s not just a matter of might or might not be true.

    Strictly speaking, a scientific theory can`t be proven true. Science doesn`t make claim to absolute truth for something as complex as a theory.

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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    November 21, 2009 at 3:33 pm
    waffle, "the proof" of `aliens live somewhere` has been statistically proven.

    By the same line of argument, the existence of everything has been "proven" if the universe is big enough. A moon made entirely out of cheese. A flat world on the shoulders of immense elephants riding on a turtle the size of a gas giant. You can`t say they absolutely cannot possibly exist anywhere in the universe, therefore they are "statistically proven" to exist.

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    akabane Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2009 at 3:33 pm
    About a month ago, muslims went to the mall in front if the capital building to have the friday sermon. people from all over the nation came. When i entered the Mall. christians started to chant "Jesus is god" and such, passing out fliers saying my religion is wrong and that believing "Jesus is god" is the only way to salvation. When we began the prayer, they started to blow horns, chant, and be completely obnoxious. out of all the people i debate with, they are the most disrespectful.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    November 21, 2009 at 3:38 pm
    If you cant prove something as true but you cant prove it as untrue / not true either, it`s a hypothesis!

    It`s a non-falsifiable hypothesis. Not all hypotheses are non-falsifiable.

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    ze_tuna_fish Female 13-17
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    November 21, 2009 at 4:25 pm
    This made me feel sick. Disgusting how Christians claim to be persecuted as they attack everyone who doesn`t believe what they do.

    If there was a god, this isn`t what he/she would want.

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    November 21, 2009 at 5:01 pm
    Angilion
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    If you cant prove something as true but you cant prove it as untrue / not true either, it`s a hypothesis!

    It`s a non-falsifiable hypothesis. Not all hypotheses are non-falsifiable.
    --------------------------------------------------

    Angilion! You know and I know that "that" post was destinguishing the diffrence between a hypothesis and a theory. Bringing falsifiability into the conversation would just have made it even more complicated and it wasnt relevant to the point.

    And if I have to get into this debate about truths, non truths and the unknowable again, I swear I will hunt you down and shout abuse through your letter box! :-O

    Just pointing that out!


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    Dragonlord Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2009 at 5:11 pm
    I`m still trying to get permission to give a prayer to FSM
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    November 21, 2009 at 7:44 pm
    Christians are hypocrites.
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    Genocyde Male 30-39
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    November 21, 2009 at 8:13 pm
    It`s nice that others have resorted to broad generalizations but, in my opinion, it`s their souls. They`re also grown adults, I`m pretty sure they can do with it what they will.
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    November 21, 2009 at 8:41 pm
    And if I have to get into this debate about truths, non truths and the unknowable again, I swear I will hunt you down and shout abuse through your letter box!

    The location of my letterbox is unknowable unless you have a Heisenberg compensator :)

    I thought it was time to throw in a Star Trek reference.

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    ilovesean23 Female 18-29
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    November 21, 2009 at 8:48 pm
    I feel bad for him. Thats just plain effing rude. he seems like a nice man, even if he worships the "wrong" god. thats more than I can say about those ahole christians. if you ask me, god would favor him over them.
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    November 21, 2009 at 9:11 pm
    I think that the extremists were being stupid and missing the big picture of tolerance and "love thy neighbor". However, I don`t think that all Christians are like this. I`m tired of hearing generalizations about all Christians being stupid and hateful and I`m not even Christian, I`m agnostic. I think the people making the claim of all Christians being hateful and intolerant are being quite ironic.
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    DRxSATANx Male 18-29
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    November 21, 2009 at 9:59 pm
    how can anyone be so disrespectful! it pisses me of!
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    November 21, 2009 at 10:18 pm
    HAHAHA sometimes the debates that the people on I-A-B get into remind me of the revolving scenes that they have in cartoons when the characters are driving in a car....tree....truth..another tree.....theroy....tree....drat-my brain exploded. Sad day :(
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    November 22, 2009 at 1:07 am
    Christians...making everyone`s $hit list one religious leader at a time.
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    yurgarbage Male 18-29
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    November 22, 2009 at 3:30 am
    I`m not saying all christians are this way, but people like that have turned them into the most retarded group of people on the planet. Regardless of how many good christians there are, they will always be outnumbered by the scumbags like those people.
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    vstorm Male 30-39
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    November 22, 2009 at 3:33 am
    waffle247, the word `theory` means something different in scientific nomenclature to it`s everyday use. you are making a text book mistake in equivocating the two meanings. Gravity is also a `theory` in scientific nomenclature,
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    Kanashto Male 18-29
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    November 22, 2009 at 4:59 am
    0:18
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    waffle247 Male 18-29
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    November 22, 2009 at 8:57 am
    Dear all: Please refer to the 300 other drating posts on this subject I have already made. Now drat off ok.
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    yofuzzy Male 13-17
    310 posts
    November 22, 2009 at 9:28 am
    sorry waffle, youve only made 92 posts. ever.
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    imyownpeople Female 18-29
    163 posts
    November 22, 2009 at 11:52 am
    "And if I have to get into this debate about truths, non truths and the unknowable again, I swear I will hunt you down and shout abuse through your letter box!

    The location of my letterbox is unknowable unless you have a Heisenberg compensator :)

    I thought it was time to throw in a Star Trek reference."

    Oooh, don`t worry. I know exactly where it is.

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    DrkAng3LxNat Female 18-29
    1071 posts
    November 22, 2009 at 1:56 pm
    wow that`s so rude =/

    what jackasses

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    SaltyVarnish Male 18-29
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    November 22, 2009 at 2:26 pm
    Im not trying to mess with the hindu faith but ZEUS is the best god of all time!
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    SaltyVarnish Male 18-29
    678 posts
    November 22, 2009 at 2:26 pm
    ALL TIME!
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    HolyHanna Female 18-29
    12 posts
    November 22, 2009 at 3:30 pm
    There is no god...only Zuul.
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    chrisfalcon Male 18-29
    169 posts
    November 22, 2009 at 11:35 pm
    Lame.
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    bungled Male 30-39
    271 posts
    November 23, 2009 at 7:37 am
    Typical asses. I wish the video showed the sergeant at arms remove the pope.
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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
    549 posts
    November 23, 2009 at 9:54 pm
    you are all demonizing christians, and though icant speak for all of us (i am Catholic) i can say that saying "Christians are hypocrites" and that we are dumb and stupid and disrespectful is wrong. by the way christians ARE persecuted, look at india where they are forced into slums. and many places in the middle east as well, or are forced to convert.

    dont generalize, we certainly dont say all muslims are evil because of 911, why do you generalize about all christians because of this video?

    get real

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    ShadowDD13 Male 18-29
    260 posts
    November 26, 2009 at 12:00 am
    oceanbeast ftw, dont generalize us, we dont generalize you, most of us have common sense, there are just idiots who happen to be in our religion, same as you (terrorists, anyone?)
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