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    fancylad Male 30-39
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    November 19, 2009 at 12:32 pm
    Link: Canadian Parents Win Legal Battle Against Homework - These parents presented an interesting case--and won! But, what price will their kids pay if the parents are wrong?
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    EvilDictator Male 13-17
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    November 19, 2009 at 12:39 pm
    i wish those were my rents!
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    November 19, 2009 at 12:43 pm
    Only like the best parents in the world! sorry mom and dad!
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    moefreak Female 18-29
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    November 19, 2009 at 12:47 pm
    Idiots. The parents are nothing but lazy. And their kids will pay for it.
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    Beaverfever Male 18-29
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    November 19, 2009 at 12:48 pm
    Homework is complete bull. If a teacher cannot be concise and teach within the time limit why is it the responsibility of the student to make the time up? If this means maybe a few more days of school during summer or winter that`s fine but to stress kids out is crap. It is almost as bad as getting "attendance" marks for attending university lectures when one`s prof is a douche and one already has a 98% average without attending.
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    moefreak Female 18-29
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    November 19, 2009 at 12:48 pm
    Also, just because they won the case against this particular school, how is that going to work at, say, university?
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    Qtee_mo Female 18-29
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    November 19, 2009 at 12:49 pm
    Yay for their kids =] I wish those were my parentss =[
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    donthaveone Male 30-39
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    November 19, 2009 at 12:50 pm
    I bet they are FAT and LAZY.
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    APJ311 Male 13-17
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    November 19, 2009 at 12:54 pm
    We need that in my school. I hate doing homework and I don`t think that it makes much difference to how well I do. It`s boring and doesn`t help me remember.

    The worst is `research`. That`s just taking stuff from the internet and rewording it.

    p.s. I do very well in class in school so it`s not a case of being unable to do it. It`s just boring.

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    medic1971 Male 30-39
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    November 19, 2009 at 12:58 pm
    Way to go Mom and Dad. Show your children they should not have to do NOT have to do any extra work, study, practice, and/or learn anything.

    Doing homework and studying is the only way I was successful organic chemistry.

    Way to go Canada!! Go ahead and set a court ruling that will allow others to follow. After all it`s these kids that will be running your country in the future!

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    APJ311 Male 13-17
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    November 19, 2009 at 12:59 pm
    @Beaverfever

    You`re exactly right about making kids make up the time. Manage your time and teach what you need to within the hour.
    My school starts making timetables for the next year 2 weeks before the summer holidays. That gives them 8 weeks to make them. They didn`t arrive until 3 weeks after we`d gone back. No one knew what lessons they were in. They do this and nothing happens - kids get punished for missing a homework deadline by a day or two.

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    Mo73 Male 30-39
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    November 19, 2009 at 1:14 pm
    That makes me sick..
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    xxPinkxx Female 18-29
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    November 19, 2009 at 1:28 pm
    lol leave it to canadians.

    how much homework did/do you all have on a regular school night?

    because i know i had at least an hour and a half each night all through school. its not unreasonable, but considering i had an after school job, volunteer work for college, driving lessons, etc i had a hard time just getting enough sleep in at night. plus if you cant figure it out, you have to ask your parents and that makes things take even longer, trust me. lol

    i think homework is good. it teaches responsibility and independence. more practice means better grades. but i think there should be a limit to how much homework is required, because i have been screwed over by teachers lots of times, all assigning lots of hw on the same night.

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    nirosaki Female 18-29
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    November 19, 2009 at 1:35 pm
    I guess homework teaches and help some of us get used to the fact when we`re overloaded/swamped with work we will stay up `til the wee hours, or maybe even an hour just before work to get all the work down.

    It also helps in making us feel miserable.

    I hated homework, but it`s mainly due to the fact I got no support from my mum and she`d REPEAT THE QUESTION THAT I ASKED HER I DIDN`T UNDERSTAND.

    Meh, sad times those were.

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    Tukikagami Female 18-29
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    November 19, 2009 at 1:35 pm
    I never learned more from my homework. It was always just repetition of what I had already learned in class. Some people don`t need constant reiteration to learn things properly. Maybe their children are like that. I know for a fact myself and my brother are very quick learners. Our homework was more like a nagging wife than actual learning. So to call children fat and lazy (donthaveone) for not doing their homework is absurd.
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    Sillii Female 13-17
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    November 19, 2009 at 1:38 pm
    I honestly find homework very helpful. :/ It instills what I`ve learned in class and teaches responsibility at home. Thought I may not like it, there is value in homework...

    Not to mention they`re easy grades to help boost scores. :)

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    6chateau9 Female 18-29
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    November 19, 2009 at 1:38 pm
    The children of these parents are at ages where their hatred of homework can only explained by the fact that the children must be struggling with the material. When you are in elementary school homework actually is useful and is quick and easy if you understand it.
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    ScottSerious Male 18-29
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    November 19, 2009 at 1:41 pm
    amen brother (redneck voice)
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    Subushie Male 18-29
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    November 19, 2009 at 1:44 pm
    "They shouldn`t be working a second shift"
    i completely agree with this. and the issue they are saying is work that has to be completed at home and is later graded, not studying.

    and i think its totally true, that homework simply takes away from a child`s social life. which, BTW is very important to a developing child, just as important as school. without proper social skills children could grow up inept, and have an inability to understand emotional cues that could later find them a mate. and not having anyone to love can be just as bad as not having a good job.

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    LandoGriffin Male 30-39
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    November 19, 2009 at 1:52 pm
    You`ve got to be kidding me. How could a court of law agree to this? To earn a grade at school, I don`t think it is unreasonable to expect children to practice a certain skill, that is, to do homework. Technically, children don`t HAVE to do homework right now, but they also don`t HAVE to earn good grades if they don`t do the work. Seems reasonable enough to me!
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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
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    November 19, 2009 at 2:04 pm
    I hate litigious motherf*ckers. I never had a problem with homework. Those kids are just lazy & stupid.
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    unmercyfuldu Male 18-29
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    November 19, 2009 at 2:07 pm
    I see an argument against graded homework and even too much homework for younger students, but homework does more then just help review material. By the age of 18 you should have accomplished a sense of time management from HW rather then whining about it into your young adult life. It also (if assigned properly) teaches you how to study. Both important in college.
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    TopperHey Male 18-29
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    November 19, 2009 at 2:09 pm
    Blimey. How much homework are these kids getting? Or are they just crap parents?
    I was never given more than an hour a night average. And I hated doing even that. Never got used to it, and nearly failed my degree because I always put off work til the deadline. These kids are going to suck at life`s tasks.
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    Pathfinders Male 13-17
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    November 19, 2009 at 2:17 pm
    These kids and parents need to stop whining, I`m taking AP Chem, AP Latin, AP Music Theory, and AP Human Geography and I`m a SOPHOMORE in HIGHSCHOOL. Once they get to college, they`ll get used to the fact that they don`t have to do homework and they won`t survive a day.
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    snoopdawgg Male 18-29
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    November 19, 2009 at 2:18 pm
    holy sh*t son...
    THIS IS CANADIAN HOMEWORK!! It does not come anywhere close to those of china or any Asian countries. A grade 4 asian student can do more complex math questions than a grade 8 kid in Canada. And those parents still want their children to practice less?? Practice makes perfect, and the Canadian education system assures that the practice is moderate enough that anyone has the ability to finish it in a short time (unless your kids are dumb, the result of not doing homework).

    Just knowing how something works does not mean you know how to apply the concept in practice. I guarantee those kids are going to be partying and drinking like retards everyday. Eventually, they will just become the part of our taxes that goes into welfare. However, since their parents are lawyers, they are not poor enough to be motivated.

    Also, the point of homework is not solely for a child`s academic practice, but it is an ever-increasing sense of responsibility that the child shoul

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    Vhreio Male 30-39
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    November 19, 2009 at 2:19 pm
    So some parents couldn`t control their bratty kids and decide to slack off and legally do it.
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    keith2 Male 18-29
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    November 19, 2009 at 2:37 pm
    ...shxt like this is gonna get us all taken over by the smarter kids from overseas quick. what you think this is a game, kids?
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    TheSharpest Male 18-29
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    November 19, 2009 at 2:55 pm
    Great for the kids, until they get into college and realize they are lazy bums. Good luck trying to bust your ass there when you don`t have even the slightest studying habit. Your parents won`t bail you out of college homework too.
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    Twist13 Male 70 & Over
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    November 19, 2009 at 3:00 pm
    I really think most of you are missing the point. The parents are saying to the child, get your work done at school. They still have to be prepared for class/tests etc. It makes the child responsible for getting their own work done at school.
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    Tonyjet Male 18-29
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    November 19, 2009 at 3:14 pm
    yeah whatever happened to staying until 12am doing homework.... anybody
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    frankenstien Female 13-17
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    November 19, 2009 at 3:31 pm
    lol i just think its funny. that they took the time and money to do it
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    npdarren Male 18-29
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    November 19, 2009 at 3:31 pm
    School teaches more than academics; it also teaches responsibility and work ethic (necessities for a successful life in the real world). I hope those two lawyers realize they`re setting up a situation which might breed laziness and incompetence for their children.
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    SarahofBorg Female 18-29
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    November 19, 2009 at 3:51 pm
    Let`s face it, 90% of the work for school is expected to be done at home. I don`t even see why kids have to attend 7 hours of school when all the work they need to do is done in 2 hours at home. All that`s even done in school is review of homework. Conceivably, any kid could simply not go to class and still get all the work and tests done.
    It`s a terrible system.
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    Lafo Male 13-17
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    November 19, 2009 at 4:07 pm
    Wow, i live in Calgary... never heard of this...
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    Dfaulted Male 13-17
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    November 19, 2009 at 4:07 pm
    If teachers can`t teach us enough in school why is that our problem
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    elphienotfae Female 13-17
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    November 19, 2009 at 4:17 pm
    i hate homework. my teachers (i have SEVEN) swamp us with homework! Lucky kids.
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    RehtaeH Female 18-29
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    November 19, 2009 at 4:24 pm
    "Wow, i live in Calgary... never heard of this..."

    Same, oh well, it wasn`t that interesting of a story anyways.

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    ggolbez Male 18-29
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    November 19, 2009 at 4:25 pm
    I agree that homework is useless. If the teacher is incompetent to teach the child, it is the teachers fault.
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    starfl4ke Female 18-29
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    November 19, 2009 at 4:27 pm
    I remember when I was in my last year of school. In our `guide`, it stated that we would be getting an hours worth of homework from each lesson per day. Five lessons per day. So by the time I got home at four, if I started it right away, I wouldn`t be done until nine! It was freaking ridiculous!
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    Lord_Panda Male 18-29
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    November 19, 2009 at 4:35 pm
    So, all they`re doing is making homework free of choice, like in university here. You do it or don`t, your choice. Slacking on it might affect your grades, though
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    Imjesus Male 13-17
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    November 19, 2009 at 4:37 pm
    "If we don`t want it all, we shouldn`t have to have it."

    Anyone else a little shocked by that quote? I hope those parents know they don`t always win.

    As a high school student, I find homework pretty useless as an academic tool, but hey, what seventeen year old doesn`t? I happily blow it off and make b`s in most of my classes, contentedly. So much for the system.

    The grades that come with homework, the vast majority of which are "completion," are points won by nearly work ethic alone.

    I think much more emphasis should be placed on the tests alone. At least, it would be the most academically oriented that way. I don`t suppose that`s what the schools are going for, however. They seem to be more geared towards instruction in responsibility and teaching tolerance to work, which is a shame for the brighter kids.

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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    November 19, 2009 at 4:39 pm
    A victory for ignorance and sloth!
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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    November 19, 2009 at 4:39 pm
    I`m not sure what to think.

    On one hand, as a parent, it annoys me that I`m expected to assit in subjects I`ve long since forgotten. Why? Well not every subject I learnt in school is relevant to my adult life.

    On the other hand however, I want the best education possible for my children..but as I said..certain subjects are not relevant to me, therefor I know little or nothing about them.

    For the record, the two culprits are French language (never been to France, dont want to go to France nor do I deal with or have delt with anyone who is French). and Algebra. Maths is one thing but Algebra?

    School is important..No argument. It streamlines later life..homework however. Needed but make it practical and usefull!!!

    I.E I`d expect standard math homework, english homework (due to acctually being english), geography + science. I would like to say history...but not all kids will be historians!

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    Lord_Panda Male 18-29
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    November 19, 2009 at 4:41 pm
    Imjesus

    "They seem to be more geared towards instruction in responsibility and teaching tolerance to work, which is a shame for the brighter kids."

    I agree fully.

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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    November 19, 2009 at 4:42 pm
    For the record..to sum it up:

    I agree with homework for basic reading, writing and mathmatics. These are needed...no argument.

    Anything else..well..I`m not so sure....and I make that observation from experiance!

    It`s dependant on the child I suppose!

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    Lord_Panda Male 18-29
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    November 19, 2009 at 4:43 pm
    The_Maddog

    Do you wish your children to be indoctrinated, to whatever the system of belief is now, or later?

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    Imjesus Male 13-17
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    November 19, 2009 at 4:43 pm
    Maddog, you miss the point of a lot of core curriculum classes, the main one NOT being that the child should be educated in that particular subject.

    It expands their academic "taste" by exposing them to a wide variety of subjects, so they get a good idea of what they like and what career the student might want. The kicker, though, is that it teaches critical thinking skills. It teaches kids how to think, memorize and analyze abstract situations.

    THAT is the skill schools aim to achieve, I think.

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    shunpo_31 Male 18-29
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    November 19, 2009 at 4:45 pm
    "practice" is not spelled with an "s", europe/canada/rest of the world.
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    Ranakamarth Male 18-29
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    November 19, 2009 at 4:50 pm
    At my HIGHSCHOOL it doesn`t matter if you do homework of classwork. The only thing that counts towards your final grade are tests and quizes (and you are allowed a retake of tests).
    If you have an A in homework grades you get 5 points added to your last test, 4 points for a B, 3 for C, 2 for D, 0 for F.
    So lots of my friends have gone the entire year without homework and still have high A`s. It`s great!
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    ElSombrero Male 13-17
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    November 19, 2009 at 4:53 pm
    My personal opinion is that there IS some stuff that you should do for homework... just because you can`t get everything done in a classroom... but if you`re just going to give busy work... don`t bother. Practice is good, busy-work is not...
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    Colacake Female 18-29
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    November 19, 2009 at 4:56 pm
    But what happens when/if they get to college? I still had plenty of homework in college. I (and my teachers) noticed that the homeschooled kids at my college often had a really hard time with the long term projects and homework stuff because they weren`t used to it. It seems to me these kids might end up with this same problem.

    I know that when I get back from class the last thing I want to do is homework, but it`s the requirement for the class, so I do it. I`m worried about what it teaches these kids to have special treatment, plus the fact they won`t be used to homework if they go on to higher education.

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    Gn0m3 Male 18-29
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    November 19, 2009 at 4:58 pm
    i woulda just hit em with a sack of oranges. it doesnt bruise, and it lets em know whos boss
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    Crawdaddy197 Male 30-39
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    November 19, 2009 at 5:08 pm
    ""practice" is not spelled with an "s", europe/canada/rest of the world."

    I suppose armour and colour isn`t spelled with a "U" either. Damn UK.

    I always spell it with a "U",,, don`t know why.

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    Imjesus Male 13-17
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    November 19, 2009 at 5:08 pm
    I had this paragraph in my mind when I wrote that, maddog: "On the other hand however, I want the best education possible for my children..but as I said..certain subjects are not relevant to me, therefor I know little or nothing about them."

    You were talking about the "best education possible" being diminished by having to learn subjects that aren`t relevant in later life, such as algebra.

    My point is that whether the subjects are relevant in later life doesn`t matter. What matters is the critical thinking skills learned in those classes, because the information isn`t going to stay with those students more than a couple of years.

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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    November 19, 2009 at 5:10 pm
    Oh dear!

    @ Imjesus + Lord_Panda

    Fisrtly NO. Jst no. I have not missed "the point" nor will my children be "indoctrinated".

    Basic education is..well basic. Reading, writing and mathmatics are required skills for everyday life. I would expect homework for my children in those subjects with no argument at all.

    The other subjects, however, I`m not so sure (please note I did not dismiss them). I`m simply saying, certain classes are not relevant to later life.

    Call it experience or just being an old fart. The point is, whilst ALL subjects in school are relevant, not every class requires homework!

    I certainly am saying that homework (I never said I didnt agree with it) SHOULD focus on the most important core subjects to the relevant society!

    I.E My children SHOULD know about English history but American history. American History is not really relevant to them now. It may never be relevant.....but its possible one day it might be, ergo thats something they nee

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    ElDavo Male 18-29
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    November 19, 2009 at 5:12 pm
    Homework reinforces concepts taught in class. Whatever study suggests otherwise is clearly wrong in some way. Also, that`s a good lesson for their kids: If anything`s tough at all, you need to try to change the system so it`s easier for you to succeed.
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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    November 19, 2009 at 5:15 pm
    And so we are clear "Imjesus".

    I`m twice your age! Dosnt mean I know more than you, but I know how many classes where relevant and how may were not when I was a kid!

    I DO want my kids to be as educated as possible (please note the Do part). I`m simply saying that homework "may" not be relevant to every single lesson!

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    panth753 Female 18-29
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    November 19, 2009 at 5:19 pm
    Why didn`t I think about that when I was in school...
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    kula35 Male 18-29
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    November 19, 2009 at 5:28 pm
    Haha I live in Calgary, AB, I should try that.
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    DavioMagnifi Male 13-17
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    November 19, 2009 at 5:30 pm
    these kids just got f*cked over. Reasons:
    1. They won`t learn how to put in work, even when it`s not required.
    2. The parents are making a decision for their kids that will last a good part of their childhood.
    3. It isn`t fair to other kids who don`t have parents who whine until they get their way.
    4. Homework is an extremely important part of school, there`s only so much you can do during class.
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    humphreys7 Male 18-29
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    November 19, 2009 at 5:32 pm
    "practise", lol
    silly canadians!
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    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    November 19, 2009 at 5:34 pm
    "No evidence that homework improves education"?? Nah, course not. Being able to set goals and work without supervision to achieve them, without having someone stand over you until you`ve finished... recognizing that some jobs have deadlines which require work beyond normal hours... these aren`t skills you`d need in the workplace, right?
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    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    November 19, 2009 at 5:37 pm
    > humphreys7
    > "practise", lol... silly canadians!

    Not Canadians, just ignorance of the English language. "Practise" is the noun (ie object), "practice" is the verb (ie action).

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    mykunter Male 40-49
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    November 19, 2009 at 5:43 pm
    Umm... Maddog, American history is extremely relevant to you and your children, otherwise you would be "spreken ze deutsch". Catch my drift?
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    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    November 19, 2009 at 5:44 pm
    HAHA, so that`s what it`s like to have both parents be lawyers...
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    a9249 Male 18-29
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    November 19, 2009 at 5:44 pm
    I would have to agree with this one. When i was in elementary, for two years I had a teacher who assigned enough work to keep me up until 10pm every night. After that my teachers were never as bad, but because of it I have always found a way out of doing my homework- be it studying like hell the day before or using other "methods" to avoid it.
    I`m willing to bet these kids have a teacher that simply assigns too much where it is not needed; in effort to keep her class scores up so she can get promoted faster.
    Some kids do need the repetition, but there are many who do not, and it just becomes a nagging misery eating into your entire life. For those two years I woke up, went to school, then came home and worked until bedtime. My parents were military so there were NO arguments towards doing it. They say jump, "I say how high?" (Their wrath was fierce; perhaps these parents are simply not strict enough on their children?)
    I see the point in homework helping
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    a9249 Male 18-29
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    November 19, 2009 at 5:45 pm
    -- I see the point in homework helping english and mathematics, but for history, science, and the weekly "project" that needed a freaking billboard and oral report with it was just overkill.

    That being said, the canadian school system is broken and horrible to grow up in.
    And it is both the fault of the parents for not being able to get their kids to do their work, but also the fault of the system to assign needless overkill in homework.

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    sbeelz Male 30-39
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    November 19, 2009 at 5:48 pm
    I think it makes sense to start giving out homework when kids are older- like the 5th or 6th grade- and to make most homework optional and just grade based on exams and writing compositions. Homework provides a valuable practice tool- but students should just be able to turn it in and have it corrected by the teacher without it counting, or choose not to turn it in. That way, students who need it will get some feedback so they know what areas need strengthening before the next exam, while also allowing students to opt out when they are given an assignment that is way below their skill level. Doing 20 difficult math problems is worth your while, but doing a really easy problem set isn`t worth your time. In the end, students would be able to focus on work for their more personally challenging classes without their time being taken up with busy-work.
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    frenchroast Male 30-39
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    November 19, 2009 at 6:04 pm
    I know kids that never did homework in school and it probably never made a difference. TOM! NO ONIONS PLEASE!
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    a9249 Male 18-29
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    November 19, 2009 at 6:04 pm
    sbeelz- not having it counting = kids aren`t going to do it :P
    You have to make it count, just give them a choice "this or this"
    or simply cut back!
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    Paul1582 Male 13-17
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    November 19, 2009 at 6:05 pm
    Yes. My younger brother got homework when he was in first grade. Guess who had to do it for him? Well, I usually didn`t have the time for it, and the teachers scolded him for not doing his homework and gave him a sheet saying that he was not "developing good homework skills."

    On the other hand, I could do all my elementary homework easily. We didn`t really have that much.

    tl;dr Don`t have homework in elementary school unless the child asks for it.

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    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    November 19, 2009 at 6:06 pm
    One thing I noticed is that the article worded it oddly. They said kid wouldn`t be assessed on homework. That`s what my math teacher did. Basically if you did the homework, correct or incorrect, you got a few points, but no assessment was made.
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    iceblack Male 18-29
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    November 19, 2009 at 6:16 pm
    ok, That`s it!!!

    This two parents are going
    to bed without having dessert

    Poor, OMG poor little kids,
    I can almost see them begging
    for some coins at your nearest
    Wal-mart...

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    chelseycake Female 13-17
    275 posts
    November 19, 2009 at 6:20 pm
    hmmmm..
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    alk3v Male 18-29
    341 posts
    November 19, 2009 at 6:36 pm
    In Chinese Government run schools, kids simultaneously learn 3 languages. One of which has over 5000 characters in its alphabet. Elementary school start at ~8.30, ends ~5, excluding extra class for underachievers. Their schools have half days on Saturdays and most of their free time is taken up doing homework. They learn mathematics at twice the speed of British curriculum. This is their public school system mind you.

    North American parents *sue* teachers for assigning homework? Really? And people wonder why our education standards are slipping. I wonder what kind of `hell` the Canadian system is...

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    LemonTarte Female 18-29
    1441 posts
    November 19, 2009 at 6:51 pm
    Homework is useless. Almost all my classes this year are AP and we hardly ever get homework, save for the occasional article to read or a science lab to complete. I have an A or a high B in all of those classes.

    I study a lot. I take a lot of notes on the textbook. I pay attention in class, and I do fine. Homework for the most part is just busy work that goes out of your head the minute you turn it in. You`re not focusing on learning the material, you`re main objective is to get your points for the day. I always got the worst grades in the classes that had a lot of homework.

    By the way in my AP classes last year I got a 5 on both of them.

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    Metal_idol Female 18-29
    53 posts
    November 19, 2009 at 7:01 pm
    The school system was never "sued", for one. The Canadian education system isn`t perfect but it`s far more strict and demanding (in terms of the time we spend in school, starting at age 4 and doing full 9--4pm days and having to learn French) when compared to a few others.

    In my opinion, the parents are lazy--the end. Besides, this is just an isolated incident.

    This isn`t even big news in Canada (I haven`t seen anything about it on any of the newstations here yet) so I have no idea why it`s considered news elsewhere.

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    StudentOfMan Male 40-49
    346 posts
    November 19, 2009 at 7:20 pm
    What parent WANTS to see their kid cry. Being a parent is hard, going through life entitled and lazy is even harder. So these parents are saying that they got through law school with no home work? Hmmmm.

    BTW LemonTarte, get back to me when you go to college and actually have work to do outside of class to pass the course. I`d like to know how well those AP classess prepared you for that.

    Has anyone ever thought that it`s not the time spent in school so much as the discipline. We are systematically removing any concept of hard work and sacrifice from the American culture and replacing it with entitlement, immediate gratification and universal fairness.

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    icecream2269 Female 18-29
    523 posts
    November 19, 2009 at 7:45 pm
    I think that this makes a lot of sense. The majority of homework I can remember from elementary school consisted of shading in maps using different colouring techniques (totally irrelevant from geography itself). My mom also wrote a note to my teacher in grade 4 stating that I was getting way too much homework, thus I wasn`t given as much as the rest of my class. The point is... Canadian parents are awesome. :)
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    sbeelz Male 30-39
    2868 posts
    November 19, 2009 at 8:37 pm
    a9249, if they don`t do the homework just because it doesn`t count, then they`re going to fail their exams. If they don`t fail the exams, they obviously know the material- or they cheated, but a kid who cheats on exams can easily cheat on homework, too. I had a chemistry class in college that worked that way- basically the questions on the exams were either taken directly from the HW, or really similar. So everyone who did the assignments, even though they didn`t count themselves, was able to ace the exams. The nice thing was, I could look at certain questions to which I knew the answer immediately and not have to waste my time writing the answer down.
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    CheeseMan1 Male 18-29
    1409 posts
    November 19, 2009 at 8:39 pm
    It`s a tough decision. To find the line between harassment and discipline is very hard. I know my parents had trouble with my sister with a situation similar to this, where they tried several things and it wasn`t easy. Even though someone might think the best solution for someone brought to tears by homework is straight up discipline, tightening the belt and all that, but it doesn`t always work out that way. Sometimes serious emotional trauma can develop in the child. It is important to teach the child the true meaning behind ethics, diligence, and hard work at a young age. Of course there is no universal solution for any unruly child, but looking into child psychology reveals an entire world of possible solutions. A person who thinks it`s easy to "fix" a child with a problem like this has never tried to help kids with disabilities and in troubled situations. However it appears the children are in no trouble situation here.

    Well I digress, my point is, don`t make broad deci

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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15844 posts
    November 19, 2009 at 9:08 pm
    I have no problem with this. After all, SOMEBODY`S gotta clean the toilets and pick up the garbage.
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    bunny_knight Male 18-29
    352 posts
    November 19, 2009 at 9:37 pm
    well, the homework i got from when i was younger wasn`t exactly relavent to my course but the purpose of the homework was to prepare me for university. I`m glad i got all that homework or else i would be stressing out with my current education.
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    SkewedVision Male 18-29
    9 posts
    November 19, 2009 at 10:10 pm
    I rarely if ever did homework in grade school and it did not have a negative effect on my test scores. In fact I was frequently top in the class for my exams. I scored a 1290 on the SAT (the old one) and a 32 on the ACT. However, now that I am in college, I am having a difficult time due to very poor study skills.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    November 19, 2009 at 10:27 pm
    No homework is a bad thing, it`s not just about academic performance at high school, nor is it even about solely academic performance.

    It is about coping with workloads.

    However, having said that, children at a young age shouldn`t be given too much, and in high school, there should be a cap.

    I went to school at 7:30. I remember circumstances of getting home at 5 (6 if you have some sort of school event), and starting my homework which would finish 2 hours later.

    Cartoon started at 4 and ended at 6 which I would miss.

    This gave me a working day of 12 and a half hours. This gave me a work week of 62.5 hours.

    This is 50% more than the average person works. This is stupid.

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    SkewedVision Male 18-29
    9 posts
    November 19, 2009 at 10:44 pm
    Baalthazaq, that schedule can also be shorter than many high schoolers. I would get up at 5:30 for a religious class and then start school at 7:45 which ran until 3PM. Following which I would have football, basketball or baseball, depending on the season and likely not get home until 8PM. Following which I would have to eat and shower. I also would practice the guitar and the piano and tried to get into bed by midnight. I had an English teacher that believed I should spend 3 hours a day on work from her class, while having five other classes. I did not have enough time in the day to do homework unless you believe that school should be the only thing I did in life.
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    gatorade777 Male 18-29
    1194 posts
    November 19, 2009 at 10:50 pm
    i admit spanish and math homework are very helpful for me and I would be dumb if I never did it. Every other class is just busy work, especially science.
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    fatex52986 Male 18-29
    1129 posts
    November 19, 2009 at 10:51 pm
    homework is busy work most of the time. but i do admit i helps.
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    krazyluv Female 13-17
    650 posts
    November 19, 2009 at 11:09 pm
    No homework is bad, too much homework completely misses the point. Homework is supposed to be outside study and practice. My teachers are lazy. They`re idea of running a class is to assign me 1-2 hours of homework for each hour I spend in class. Also, i`m supposed to read the book on my own. Take notes on my own. Then, when I get to class they test me and assign more homework. They do no teaching. My "homework" is me teaching myself. Thats when homework is way to out of hand.
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    Beaverfever Male 18-29
    153 posts
    November 20, 2009 at 4:33 am
    Interesting how people bring up the Chinese and their study habits. 2/3 of my university classmates are Chinese, thank god. I say this because they actually lower the grade curve. Our last mid-term average was 40%. Sure they do their homework but they memorize material, not understanding it. Needless repetition of assignments does not help. It can actually cause over-confidence especially when the instructor gives an exam that combines theories together, something that homework does not do. The "Chinese system is better" philosophy does not hold water.
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    teph2112 Male 13-17
    650 posts
    November 20, 2009 at 4:52 am
    Education up to the secondary level trains for cubical sheep: drones which know how to fill in sheets and write reports over and over and over again
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    joey7415963 Male 18-29
    174 posts
    November 20, 2009 at 6:08 am
    Inevitably the more time you spend working on something, the more you understand it.
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    Lolcats Male 18-29
    369 posts
    November 20, 2009 at 1:45 pm
    ok
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    Joolin Male 18-29
    1003 posts
    November 20, 2009 at 10:33 pm
    I agree that homework is largely unnecessary, but I really don`t think that was the right way of going about it. I think the most important part of that was the "at their current school" part. Once they graduate and move on to a new school, they`re going to be screwed because they will have no study habits and will be totally unprepared.
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    xxPinkxx Female 18-29
    3830 posts
    November 21, 2009 at 5:06 am
    omg. you guys are all hatin on my country! i guarantee weirder crap has come out of the states too.

    and after reading all your comments, i couldnt help but thinking " i hope to god i spelled "practice" right on my comment yesterday..."

    y`know what? i did! and it was like 4am! im not sure whether i should feel proud, or shamed that others in my country are b*tching about homework and making grade 2 spelling errors.

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    Mindless2164 Male 18-29
    499 posts
    November 21, 2009 at 6:46 am
    Best. Parents. Ever.
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    wateva_x Female 13-17
    691 posts
    November 21, 2009 at 10:23 am
    That`s a bit silly and not good preparation for later. I think a bit of homework is necessary; but not loads and loads from every teacher as well as coursework and revision. There should be a limit to how much you get; not just not having any at all.
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    Caker Male 18-29
    168 posts
    November 21, 2009 at 12:02 pm
    yay alberta!
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    MetalLinx Female 13-17
    257 posts
    November 21, 2009 at 4:18 pm
    those are really cool parents.
    "I think a bit of homework is necessary; but not loads and loads from every teacher as well as coursework and revision. There should be a limit to how much you get; not just not having any at all."

    I completely agree with you. i feel like pile driving loads of home work is bad.
    at my school one of the rules is as follows:
    9th grade: 9 hours of homework each night
    10th grade: 10 hours of homework each night
    11th grade: 11 hours of homework
    12th: 12 hours
    =[

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    ShadowDD13 Male 18-29
    260 posts
    November 26, 2009 at 12:19 am
    i wish the u.s. had the common sense to do this too, theres just too much these days, why cant teachers use their time efficiently to teach us what we need to know instead of us taking the load for their incompetence?

    i graduated, dont start with that poo

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    Joshyboy989 Male 13-17
    169 posts
    December 2, 2009 at 2:52 pm
    It`s okay at my school because although we are technically supposed to do homework, no one cares if you don`t do it. I don`t remember ever handing in a piece of homework that wasn`t coursework or part of an essay or something.

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