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260 Responses to Boy Won`t Pledge Allegiance in his Classroom

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    the_windy Female 18-29
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    November 16, 2009 at 4:42 pm
    Link: Boy Won`t Pledge Allegiance in his Classroom - An Arkansas 10-year-old says he won`t pledge to the flag until gays and lesbians have equal rights.
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    Hugin Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 5:24 am
    Perhaps there is hope for you Yanks after all :-D
    Nice going, kid.
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    Dogboy76 Male 30-39
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    November 17, 2009 at 5:27 am
    Fair enough.
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    muadib11 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 5:34 am
    Nice, "Fag?" Go back to the rock to which you came from.
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    GloineFiodh Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 5:39 am
    Good poo. That kid`s awesome. I thought he`d be a little wanker who was trying to be a wise ass but it turned out he`s a child prodigy. Smart kid.
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    Mondo48 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 5:44 am
    geez, hoping this kinda crap was gonna stay out of arkansas.....*gets out shotgun*

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    madest Male 40-49
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    November 17, 2009 at 5:53 am
    Good for him. Don`t see too many 10year olds capable of defying their brain washing.
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    waffle247 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 6:02 am
    OMG an american who understands his countries ideals! I thought they`d all been shot by the rednecks.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    November 17, 2009 at 6:14 am
    VV LOL you`ve never been here have you plenty of us do it`s just when you get into the bible belt area you meet some "interesting" people.**Hears dueling banjos***
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    mischeif954 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 6:19 am
    LOL who cares if he pledges or not, I don`t pledge for religious reasons, and what equal rights is is that gays don`t have?
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 6:20 am
    Nice one kid. Good to see someone is stopping to think about what they`re saying when they make the pledge.
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    Maeter Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 6:25 am
    A few comments in the video irked me ("grown up with several people, including gay friends", "A bright child... skipped the 3rd to the 5th grade"), still it`s rather interesting to hear him explain his position.

    I feel he isn`t old enough to truly grasp the situation completely, nor do I feel he avoided the "brain-washing".

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    waffle247 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 6:30 am
    @McGovern1981 - yeah I have been I was just kidding. :P
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 17, 2009 at 6:32 am
    He`s a kid that is being defiant just to be defiant. Nothing to see here. Move on people.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 17, 2009 at 6:34 am
    Also, gay`s and lesbians have just as many rights as everyone else. What they want it MORE RIGHTS than everyone else. They can marry. They can do anything a straight person can. Why do they still bitch about rights?
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    BurnBurn Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 6:39 am
    Welcome to the world kiddo.
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    mischeif954 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 6:40 am
    Auburn what you don`t seem to understand is that in America if your not pro gay your brainwashed.
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    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 6:44 am
    "Also, gay`s and lesbians have just as many rights as everyone else. What they want it MORE RIGHTS than everyone else."

    ...

    I`m not even going to start.

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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 17, 2009 at 6:47 am
    Okay, don`t. I know mischief.
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    waffle247 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 6:48 am
    @auburnjunky - homo`s want the right to marry each other; basically they want the marriage bill changed so that it doesn`t mention the sex of the people involved and they can be married in the eyes of the law.

    @opiebreath - you made me chuckle. :)

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    PsychGeek Female 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 6:51 am
    I say good for the kid. Maybe this next generation will be open-minded enough to see that homosexuals deserve all the same rights straight people have.

    and for those of you who think marriage should be between a man and woman: straight people can get married in Vegas in 5 minutes by a man dressed in a mustard-stained Elvis costume. I think we can stop with the "sanctity of marriage" crap.

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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 17, 2009 at 6:52 am
    They can be married in the eyes of the law. I don`t understand I guess. There are many states they can be married in. What`s the problem? Were there not gays and lesbians until about 5 years ago? Why must they try to change law now? They were okay 6 years ago. It`s all just bitching for the sake of bitching. If you really want to be married for love, you will do whatever it takes to do so, be that travel to Oregon or Massachusetts. What`s so hard about that?

    Next gays and lesbians will be added to affermative action legislation. ;)

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    Subushie Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 6:54 am
    very sweet kid. he`s gonna be alittle activist when he gets older.
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    PsychGeek Female 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 6:55 am
    "Also, gay`s and lesbians have just as many rights as everyone else. What they want it MORE RIGHTS than everyone else. They can marry. They can do anything a straight person can. Why do they still bitch about rights?"

    ****
    where the hell have you been? under a rock? gays can marry in maybe only 2-3 states in this country. they can`t take power of attorney over their partners should something happen. they are often denied the ability to adopt children, even though they`re legally supposed to be able to. they are treated like second-class citizens over something they have no control over (i think we are all educated enough to agree it`s not simply a "lifestyle choice").

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    PsychGeek Female 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 6:56 am
    auburnjunky, i seriously think you`re saying this closed-minded bull just to start an argument. speaks to your maturity level, doesn`t it? do us all a favor and grow up a little bit, and open your eyes.
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    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 6:57 am
    "They can be married in the eyes of the law. I don`t understand I guess. There are many states they can be married in. What`s the problem? Were there not gays and lesbians until about 5 years ago? Why must they try to change law now? They were okay 6 years ago. It`s all just bitching for the sake of bitching. If you really want to be married for love, you will do whatever it takes to do so, be that travel to Oregon or Massachusetts. What`s so hard about that?"

    About six years ago all the states went around redefining the legal term marriage to make it distinctly between one man and one woman. This took away about 1400 legal rights from homosexual marriages, big one and little ones. The rights even branch into adoption, taxes, insurance, family, and death. I believe there are now 6 states that have changed it back to granting the same amount of legal rights by calling it marriage. A lot of states have other versions, like civil unions, which try to grant all the same rights

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    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 6:58 am
    A lot of states have other versions, like civil unions, which try to grant all the same rights but solely because "civil union" is not the same term as "marriage," in the eyes of the federal law they cannot receive the same rights. About 400 (this might be out of date) rights are federally given. Until a state changes the term to marriage and includes same sex couples, the same rights are not alloted.
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    Subushie Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 6:58 am
    "bitching for the sake of bitching. If you really want to be married for love, you will do whatever it takes to do so, be that travel to Oregon or Massachusetts. What`s so hard about that?"

    you sir, are an idiot. im straight, but i sure as hell wouldn`t want to travel somewhere to get married. what if i wanted my family present, then we would have to travel unnecessarily cross country, when if it was legal country wide, then we could plan it in the place i would want it. all my friends and family could be present.

    what people fail to do that really annoys me is they dont put themselves into other people`s shoes, just look at it from someone elses perspective.

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    mischeif954 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:00 am
    Educated enough to know its not a choice?? and 2nd class citizens? Where?? Yea they should be able to adopt and marry but don`t call them 2nd class cuz that is so not the case.
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    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:05 am
    "bitching for the sake of bitching. If you really want to be married for love, you will do whatever it takes to do so, be that travel to Oregon or Massachusetts. What`s so hard about that?"

    It`s not just traveling, you would have to move there and legally, on the local and federal level, change your permanent residence to that state. Then if you went to any other state that marriage would be null.

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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:05 am
    First of all, I win. Yes I was just trying to start crap. I don`t care either way. THAT BEING SAID, the people have voted. They don`t want it. This part is real. I don`t understand why a group, be it Homosexuals, or not, continue to ask for votes on things. If they ask, and the people vote no, then they failed. STOP ASKING FOR LEGISLATION ON THINGS OVER AND OVER. It seems like they do this in the hope people will vote yes so they won`t have to hear about it anymore.

    What happens if it actually passed a vote? Do you think it would be brought forth to be voted on again? NO!

    THE PEOPLE VOTED NO! LEAVE IT AT THAT!

    Don`t forget, I don`t care either way. If they want a few words changed in a law, fine by me. Doesn`t affect me. Wastes tax dollars yes, but it doesn`t affect me.

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    PsychGeek Female 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:05 am
    oh really, mischeif? how would you feel if you were denied the right to marry and to care for your loved one? you would DEFINITELY feel like a second-class citizen, and don`t lie and say "no i wouldn`t."

    you need to open your eyes and see it from their point of view. jeez you are so incredibly closed-minded.

    and no, homosexuality is not a choice. there are different theories as to the cause, but there are a HUGE number of studies showing that a gay man`s brain chemistry is "wired" the same way as a straight woman`s, and the same goes for lesbians--their brain chemistry is "wired" like that of a straight man`s. is that a choice? nope.

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    PsychGeek Female 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:09 am
    auburnjunky: if your goal was to make yourself look like an immature, ignorant, egocentric a**, then you`re right, you win.

    like i told mischeif, you need to look at it from their point of view. how would you feel if you couldn`t marry the woman you love? you`d be pretty pissed and would be pushing for a legislation change, and if you say "no" you`re lying just to say it.

    think of how hard Blacks had to work to get their civil rights...homosexuals are now fighting the same type of struggle. society moves in cycles, and one day they WILL get the same rights as straight people. i just hope i live to see that day.

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    waffle247 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:09 am
    @auburnjunky - so if the people voted YES on kiddy porn being legalised you`d say leave it at that then? you`re sick! :P

    the problem with democracy is that it doesn`t always protect the minority.

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    mischeif954 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:10 am
    Feeling like a second class citizen and being one two different things, on top of that how could you ever deny the right for someone to care and love its impossible. Yea they cant marry i think they should but at the same time technically noone else can so your not 2nd class, and studies show that it possible to be born a criminal you agree with that too?
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    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:11 am
    "What happens if it actually passed a vote? Do you think it would be brought forth to be voted on again? NO!

    THE PEOPLE VOTED NO! LEAVE IT AT THAT!"

    This is exactly why we are a democratic republic, NOT a straight democracy. If that bothers you then either work on changing it or move somewhere else.

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    mischeif954 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:12 am
    Psych geek the problem is that your being close minded to understanding the fact that they do have the same rights as straight people, there`s no way to win a fight if you cant understand what your fighting for.
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    kairobert Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:14 am
    Why pledge allegiance to a flag?
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    PsychGeek Female 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:14 am
    oh really? and what exact rights do they have? opiebreath has already pointed out that a "civil union" does not grant the same rights as a marriage. i have already pointed out that they are denied power of attorney over their partners. they are often denied the right to adopt, even though legally they should be able to. i won`t even get started on the discrimination they face when it comes to employment and just everyday life--look in the news and you`ll find plenty of stories about homosexuals getting beaten and killed simply for holding hands with their partners, or for being openly gay.

    how in the world does this translate to "they have the same rights as everyone else"? i don`t think i`m the closed-minded one here.

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    kirstoner Female 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:15 am
    All the crazy-making issues aside, good on the kid for sticking to his guns.

    ...and do u guys really have to say the pledge of allegiance every day in school?!

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    thor82 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:16 am
    PyschGeek, please tell me you didn`t compare the struggle of homosexuals to the struggle of Blacks.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:16 am
    Why can`t people have their opinion? Why does it always have to be a debate? My opinion is this.

    I think being a homosexual is a choice. If it isn`t a choice and it really is a chemical imbalance, then it should be treated as such. Find medication to correct it or reverse it. If they want to say they are gay because something is wrong with their brains, then they should want treatment.

    People should not be given rights based on lifestyle choice, or chemical imbalance. Minorities are given rights and protected and this is a good thing, even though it is not what our founding fathers envisioned when they created this country. They created our laws based on the precept that all men were created equal, and they are. If people choose to be not equal, or have a chemical imbalance that makes them think they are not equal, then they have chosen to not be able to do some of the things that everyone else can, or they need to be cured of their misfunctioning brain problem.

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    Jabbox Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:17 am
    I don`t see wha the huge deal is about not reciting the pledge. Far as I see it, the pledge is completely optional, as the whole point of a pledge is it`s a promise to a person/group. I dare say that, ironically, refusing to pledge allegiance more patriotic than just going through the motions.
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    waffle247 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:17 am
    @kairobert - good question. I pledge allegiance to my pay check and the barman who serves me beer even though I can`t stand up.
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    PsychGeek Female 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:18 am
    lol @ waffle. :)
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    mischeif954 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:18 am
    Pshych geek do you even understand what denying rights means like I`ve pointed out several times same sex marriage is not allowed whether your gay or straight.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:18 am
    Homosexual rights is not the same as civil rights. Not even close. It`s about biology. What happens if everyone suddenly became gay? END OF THE HUMAN RACE! Being homosexual is inherently dangerous.

    Okay. There you go. Not debating. Just stating my opinion.

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    FitzySpyder Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:19 am
    No auburnjunky, you lose. This debate was going on whether you got involved or not. And people "just trying to start crap" always lose. end of story.

    Now on to the debate at hand, I say let them marry, it`s not going to hurt you any.

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    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:20 am
    "Homosexual rights is not the same as civil rights. Not even close. It`s about biology. What happens if everyone suddenly became gay? END OF THE HUMAN RACE! Being homosexual is inherently dangerous."

    AAAAHAHAHAHAHA!

    Okay... okay I feel better now. I really don`t need to be in here debating this.

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    FitzySpyder Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:20 am
    "What happens if everyone suddenly became gay? END OF THE HUMAN RACE!"

    Or some scientists with test tubes start getting really rich really fast.

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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:20 am
    lol
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    PsychGeek Female 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:21 am
    @ auburnjunky: they CHOOSE to not be treated equally? seriously? so they just wake up one morning and say "hmm, I`m feeling rather gay today, so I think I`ll deny myself the right to marry." come on, your argument is ridiculous.

    as of right now, we have no way to "reverse homosexuality", and frankly i don`t see any reason why we should. they`re not hurting anyone, they just want equal treatment under the law. why is that so much to ask?

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    Gluggr Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:21 am
    I wouldn`t plegde allegiance at all. To me the whole concept strange. I see how this is you culture, but I`d never pledge allegiance to my country, ever. The country`s here for my sake, not the other way round.
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    mischeif954 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:21 am
    Auburn that`s one of the most annoying thing about homosexuality they act like its some disease they were born with. If your gay be gay and be proud, you didn`t see blacks saying the melanin in our skin make us black. They said we are we are and deserve to be treated equally.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:22 am
    Do we want to change laws to help serial killers, or pedophiles? They have a chemical imbalance as well.
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    waffle247 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:23 am
    LOL - so what you`re implying is that if everyone was gay, you`d do it too? OK. Now that explains a lot.
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    mischeif954 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:23 am
    No i`m sure homosexuals are products of there environments like everyone else do murderers wake up one day and say i think ill kill my neighbor?
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:23 am
    They want laws changed to serve what they say is a chemical imbalance. Either that, or they want laws changed to serve a behavior they choose. Either way, what they want is not feasible.
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    FitzySpyder Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:24 am
    Gluggr, you are pledging your allegience to your country, not to your government or anything. You are pledging to keep the country safe, to defend it from things that may harm it, in some cases that includes the government of the country itself
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    madest Male 40-49
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:26 am
    auburnjunkie. You are a redneck. The world doesn`t need you to understand. Here`s to all your daughters marrying closeted gay guys because of your closed mind.

    The 14th amendment to the constitution endows all Americans equal rights. No part of the constitution allows the majority to vote on the rights of minorities.

    This will be worked out in court. The supreme court will have the final answer and this kid will will say the pledge proudly.
    I find it rather funny that heterosexuals need their sexing sanctioned by the government and feel the need to deny others the same.

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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:26 am
    No mischeif. Murderers have a chemical imbalance in their brains. They have medication for it but some don`t take it. As a result they murder.

    Gays have a chemical imbalance in their brains (as psych said). They do not have a medication for it, so they have nothing to take. As a result, they have buttsecks.

  62. Profile photo of waffle247
    waffle247 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:26 am
    how about pledging allegiance to the human race then?
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    PsychGeek Female 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:27 am
    why not, auburnjunky? why not allow them to marry? is it going to hurt you if that happens? is it going to mean the death of the human race and the end of life as we know it? no. all it means is that they get equal treatment.

    the VAST majority of homosexuals are proud of who they are, as well they should be.

    one day, have no fear, society will be open-minded enough to see that they deserve equal treatment, and they will get it :) i know it`s going to happen, so i`m not too worried about it :) and here is where i end my role in this debate, because it`s pointless and we`re just going in circles. have a nice day :)

  64. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:27 am
    Hmmm madest. Why are you insulting me because of my opinion? Not very equal rights are we?
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    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:27 am
    "Do we want to change laws to help serial killers, or pedophiles? They have a chemical imbalance as well."

    Last I checked being homosexual didn`t inherently hurt anyone, nor did it have f*ckall to do with you.

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    Gluggr Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:27 am
    Thanks @FitzySpyder for the explanation. I also think it fits the USA perfectly, because of their history (I mean this in the most positive way possible), but it would strike me as wrong to do it where I live. Maybe because everybody thinks "To hell with my country, where`s my money?" But that`s another discussion ;)
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:29 am
    I don`t care if homosexuals marry. It doesn`t affect me either way. I just don`t like it that we are using tax dollars and legislators time or things that are either a choice (my opinion) or a chemical imbalance (psych`s opinion).
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    PsychGeek Female 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:29 am
    woo @ madest!!! i couldn`t agree more :)
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    beternal Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:29 am
    I agree with this in principle - I think unless a country stands for what you believe in, then you should not have to feel obligated to pledge allegiance to it. The counter to this argument are immigrants - those people that say *I`m `x` religion and I disapprove of how this country rams Christmas down my throat, therefore I am going to campaign to change it.* In which case go home! - If you don`t like the way a country is run and you are from another, shoo!

    So for gay/ lesbian marriages, all the best to them - love is love after all. HOWEVER, to all those people comparing it to black civil rights, again I agree but eventuallya line is going to be reached... First it was women, then blacks, then gays... (I`m not good with history so forgive me if the order is wrong)... What`s next?! Bestiality? Paedophilia?!

    I know these are the extremes and I was in no way comparing them to the ethnic minorities/ gays etc but everyone with a desire is going to campaign one day to legalise it - wh

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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:29 am
    True opiebreath. I agree.
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    waffle247 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:30 am
    @ auburnjunky - equal rights doesn`t mean you have to be nice about it... do you have an IQ?
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    Gluggr Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:30 am
    "No mischeif. Murderers have a chemical imbalance in their brains. They have medication for it but some don`t take it. As a result they murder.

    Gays have a chemical imbalance in their brains (as psych said). They do not have a medication for it, so they have nothing to take. As a result, they have buttsecks."

    And could I get your sources on that? In an argument you need sources for your claimes, if they aren`t personal optinions. Just being the loudest one doesn`t help.

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    madest Male 40-49
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:31 am
    "Why are you insulting me because of my opinion? Not very equal rights are we?"
    --------------------
    I insult all retards equally.
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    clever-chan Female 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:31 am
    This kid has balls, I`ll give him that. I just hope their his balls and not his parents, too often parents that lean too far to the left or too far to the right drill political viewpoints into their children.
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    mischeif954 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:32 am
    LOL I love it phych geek every time some1 brings up the whole born gay thing and someone with a working mind who doesn`t buy into that garbage has a valid rebuttal they have nothing to say, and to Opiebreath and if homosexuality doesn`t need to be cured why bring it up as an argument that people are born gay like you were a victim of some abnormality?
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    waffle247 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:32 am
    LOL @ madest; now my keyboard is covered in coffee!
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    mischeif954 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:32 am
    Show me your source and ill show you mine =D
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    thor82 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:33 am
    CleverChan I completely agree, i really don`t believe that any 10 year old kid can have the cognitive ability to come up with his or her own opinion about this. It is almost always that this kind of opinion is influenced by a parental figure.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:34 am
    madest, I will not insult anyone here. Just insulting people because they have a different opinion than you, makes your opinion invalid. Keep insulting so we can continue to not listen, or care.
  80. Profile photo of opiebreath
    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:35 am
    "Opiebreath and if homosexuality doesn`t need to be cured why bring it up as an argument that people are born gay like you were a victim of some abnormality?"

    I`m not sure how you make the connection between it being inherent and it being bad... melanin count is something you`re born with but no one is trying to say that is bad. I`m sure we all know that most human behaviors are neither 100% environment, nor are they 100% genetic. Honestly, to me it doesn`t matter why I love my girlfriend. I love her. Why does everyone care so much what kind of genital she has? Gender isn`t even binary to begin with. Neither is sex, for that matter.

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    Gluggr Male 18-29
    422 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 7:35 am
    1sty I would like to see auburnjunkys sources, not yours and 2ndly i didn`t say anything but personal opinion (which hadn`t to do anything with the homo-marriage thing) so my source is: Gluggr(2009).
  82. Profile photo of thor82
    thor82 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:36 am
    Mischeif, i`m still asking the same question I asked psychgeek, how can you compare the struggle of homosexuals to the struggle of blacks
  83. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:37 am
    I want to know what everyone thinks. For real.

    Is homosexuality a chemical imbalance? A condition in the brain that causes a person to act against biology and procreation.

    OR????

    Is it a choice.

    Remember Occam`s Razor while you answer.

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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:38 am
    Opie, lesbianism is beautiful and should be allowed, it`s male gay sex we don`t want. It`s ugly.. lol.

    KIDDING KIDDING!

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    waffle247 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:38 am
    Who cares why? If you want to - go for it. That`s why it`s called freedom.
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    mushie_mush Female 18-29
    2249 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 7:38 am
    o.O

    dude... being gay isn`t a `disease` or `abnormality` its just how you are... its like being born with brown hair, or blue eyes.

    It doesnt make you better or worse than anyone else, its just a part of who you are.

  87. Profile photo of madest
    madest Male 40-49
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:38 am
    "madest, I will not insult anyone here. Just insulting people because they have a different opinion than you, makes your opinion invalid."
    ----------------
    I insulted you because you`re stupid. Not because of your opinion. You have no ability to explain your reasoning. You are the hate these tax paying Americans are trying to overcome. You are not better than them because you have straight sex. Face it.
  88. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:38 am
    Thor, You can`t.

    Blacks had it worse. They still do.

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    mischeif954 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:39 am
    Well usually when someone blames their behaviors as inherent more than a choice it gives off the vibe of something bad do you not agree? Do you go around saying I love my girlfriend because I was born that way or just simply say you love her?
  90. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:39 am
    mushie, being gay is against human biology is it not?
  91. Profile photo of waffle247
    waffle247 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:40 am
    @auburnjunky - so is being stupid but some people never learn.
  92. Profile photo of _kiersten_
    _kiersten_ Female 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:40 am
    Here is my opinion: Gays are normal, there is nothing wrong with them, i think they should be allowed to marry because honestly them being allowed to marry will not affect anyone.
  93. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:41 am
    So madest, just because I am straight, I am wrong?
  94. Profile photo of thor82
    thor82 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:41 am
    Auburn, that`s what i`m saying, but I still don`t understand why people compare the two
  95. Profile photo of opiebreath
    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:41 am
    "mushie, being gay is against human biology is it not?"

    Then explain to me why animals are extensively documented to exhibit same-sex behaviors and why you have a prostate buried deep in your ass with many nerve endings and many pleasure spots.

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    mischeif954 Male 18-29
    616 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 7:41 am
    LOL thor i know what people dont realize its hard to get ppl on your side when your so busy pissing them off comparing your minor struggles to their major struggles calling, the side your trying to convince brainwashed and ignorant and to top it all making false claims.
  97. Profile photo of madest
    madest Male 40-49
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:42 am
    No you`re wrong because you think you`re better than they are. That simple.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:42 am
    Nobody answered my question. Scroll down and read it.

    It really is either, or.

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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:42 am
    I don`t think I am better than anyone. Inferiority complex much?
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    mushie_mush Female 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:43 am
    maybe you`re right auburnjunky... but there are also a lot of straight couples choosing not to have children, wouldn`t that be against human biology too if the whole point is for us to keep reproducing
  101. Profile photo of waffle247
    waffle247 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:43 am
    @opiebreath - I didn`t know that, I wished that was still the case... need barf bag urgently. the price of freedom, hey?
  102. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:43 am
    Yeah. Good point mushie.
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    mischeif954 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:44 am
    People are not born gay flat out period if you say they are you also say criminals are born criminals and well be shoving a nice little double edged sword in yourself. Like I said in another post its like believing in God but saying the devil doesn`t exist
  104. Profile photo of Gluggr
    Gluggr Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:44 am
    "Nobody answered my question. Scroll down and read it.

    It really is either, or."

    No it`s not. It`s never either, or. The world isn`t black/white good/evil ect. pp. Everything`s complex and hard to understand. So my answer to you is: Stop asking suggestive questions.

  105. Profile photo of madest
    madest Male 40-49
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:45 am
    Here auburnjunkie I`ll prove you`re stupid:

    Explain why two consenting adults can`t be married without bringing up the bible and support your argument with the Constitution.

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    CrstnAtheist Male 13-17
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:46 am
    im not pro gay, but this warmed my heart because its very rare to see someone committed to something and to actually execute what they believe in.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:47 am
    mischief, you can`t say either way if it is a choice or not, and you can`t use the criminals argument.

    There have been studies that have found that some people are predisposed to violence. It`s a chemical imbalance in their brains, Lots or people have it, they just either suppress it, or have it treated chemically.

  108. Profile photo of thor82
    thor82 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:47 am
    explain mischeif
  109. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:47 am
    I can`t madest. They should. I don`t care either way.
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    waffle247 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:47 am
    I didn`t answer the question because I don`t think the answer matters. Either way doesn`t change that kid was right in his interpretation of ideals vs law in the USA.
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    GlooStikk Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:48 am
    ballsy little kid. wonder if the media is calling him gay yet?
  112. Profile photo of waffle247
    waffle247 Male 18-29
    377 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 7:49 am
    "There have been studies that have found that some people are predisposed to violence. "

    Yes but there are also a whole bunch of people who are violent and don`t show the extra gene. DNA doesn`t explain everything.

  113. Profile photo of mischeif954
    mischeif954 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:49 am
    Why cant I use the criminal argument its a very valid when trying to disprove something simply show a case where its not true, mathematicians been doin it for years. Gay is a choice at then end of the day you control what you do.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 7:50 am
    Either let it happen, or don`t. If gays lose the vote drop it. If they win the vote, yay for them. Stop wasting my tax dollars to keep losing votes.

    I AM NEITHER FOR NOR AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE! I JUST HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HOMOSEXUALS ASKING FOR LAWS TO BE CHANGED OVER AND OVER AND WASTING TAX MONEY THAT COULD BE USED FOR OTHER THINGS WHEN IT IS APPARENT THAT IT WILL NEVER PASS.

    Sorry for caps.

  115. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:53 am
    So being gay is a choice in some people, and some people are predisposed to it?

    I think that is what waffle is saying.

  116. Profile photo of mushie_mush
    mushie_mush Female 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:54 am
    Personally I don`t think it`s a choice. After all, you can never really choose who you fall in love with, it just happens. Whether it be someone of the same or opposite sex.
  117. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:54 am
    Now if we reversed roles..."I AM NEITHER FOR NOR AGAINST STRAIGHT MARRIAGE! I JUST HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HETEROSEXUALS ASKING FOR LAWS TO BE CHANGED OVER AND OVER AND WASTING TAX MONEY THAT COULD BE USED FOR OTHER THINGS WHEN IT IS APPARENT THAT IT WILL NEVER PASS."

    If you just change that up a bit you realize that uh...ya know, you`re a drating idiot. People of the `gay` orientation have been around since...forever, and probably before all recorded human history. But, you don`t want to give them equal rights. You think that is a waste of money.

    Jack@$$

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    dang007 Male 30-39
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:54 am
    >>>Mischeif, i`m still asking the same question I asked psychgeek, how can you compare the struggle of homosexuals to the struggle of blacks<<<

    I agree. I mean how can you compare being osterized by your own family and loved ones in addition to everyone else to the other struggle?

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    madest Male 40-49
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:54 am
    auburnjunkie, How many times do I need to point out your stupidity?
    ------------------
    Nobody is trying to change any laws. They are trying to get the same constitutional protections that you have. They pay taxes too dimwit.
  120. Profile photo of mischeif954
    mischeif954 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 7:56 am
    ok mushie i got a question for you. Do you think a man who`s married with kids should leave his family if he feels he`s fallen in love with someone else?
  121. Profile photo of mischeif954
    mischeif954 Male 18-29
    616 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 7:57 am
    Actually you are trying to change the laws to take the gender specification part out, because they already have the same constitutional protections we have why cant you understand that?
  122. Profile photo of thor82
    thor82 Male 18-29
    56 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 7:58 am
    So if you compare the struggles of gays to blacks then your saying gays have had to deal with denial of voting rights, denial of property ownership rights, denial of equity in education, denial of access to public facilities, denial of access to businesses, denial of equal access to public transportation, etc?
  123. Profile photo of waffle247
    waffle247 Male 18-29
    377 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 7:58 am
    @auburnjunky - nah what I`m getting at is I don`t know why people are gay. I don`t know why some people are jerks either. People are just people, if they aren`t hurting people then let `em be.
  124. Profile photo of mushie_mush
    mushie_mush Female 18-29
    2249 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 7:59 am
    It honestly depends on the situation. If the man and his wife are constantly fighting all the time and all love is gone then I would say yes. If he he still loves the wife I would say no.
  125. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 17, 2009 at 8:01 am
    Okay madest. You just want to be able to call someone a name, so You win. There is no point.

    @sprinks: I don`t think it WAS a waste of money. Prop 8 has already failed. It`s better to live with a loss and learn to move on that to keep losing and keep being upset. They could always find another solution.

  126. Profile photo of mischeif954
    mischeif954 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 8:02 am
    Well that was a very good answer lol didn`t expect. But the point I was trying to make was that people are a lot less helpless as people are making them seem to be and have more control over their lives then their genes do.
  127. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 17, 2009 at 8:04 am
    Love doesn`t = marriage and marriage doesn`t = love. Lot`s of people in love never get married and they are fine with it. Also, lots of people who aren`t in love get married for tax reasons and to gain rights they wouldn`t have otherwise had.
  128. Profile photo of waffle247
    waffle247 Male 18-29
    377 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 8:05 am
    thor82 has a point, black people had to put up with a lot more prejudice over the years that homo`s have. However if you go into a job interview and are obviously gay then you are statistically less likely to be given the job; unless you`re applying to be on x-factor... then I guess it`s the other way around. (sorry couldn`t resist the stereotype :) )
  129. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 17, 2009 at 8:06 am
    LOL waffle.

    Maybe they can be added to affermative action legislation so employers will be afraid to NOT hire them like it is with black and asians right now.

    KIDDING.

  130. Profile photo of thor82
    thor82 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 8:07 am
    The same can apply to job interviews with people who are mentally challenged or physically disabled, yet there is not such an uproar when that is brought up.
  131. Profile photo of mischeif954
    mischeif954 Male 18-29
    616 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 8:08 am
    >>I agree. I mean how can you compare being osterized by your own family and loved ones in addition to everyone else to the other struggle?<<

    LMAO Dang first off a lot of gay people don`t get osterized by their family and seeing how there`s a population of gays in the US and/or people who aren`t bigots i don`t see how you could be ostericised by everyone else.

  132. Profile photo of zarbogres
    zarbogres Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 8:08 am
    Regardless of what you believe, there is no excuse for allowing the majority to decide upon basic rights of a minority group (What is more basic than wanting to create a family with someone you love?)
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    Afromeister Male 13-17
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    November 17, 2009 at 8:08 am
    you go kid :)
  134. Profile photo of madest
    madest Male 40-49
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    November 17, 2009 at 8:10 am
    auburnjunkie, Read the constitution, you`ll see that I`m correct.
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    mushie_mush Female 18-29
    2249 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 8:10 am
    lol thanks mischeif...

    but i just feel like... if two people love eachother who has the right to tell that their love is `wrong`? Why should gender/age/race/anything matter in love?

  136. Profile photo of mischeif954
    mischeif954 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 8:11 am
    If your denied a job, because your gay most likely your TOO flamboyant and wouldn`t be conducive to the environment similarly as someone who had some other type of overwhelming personality.
  137. Profile photo of waffle247
    waffle247 Male 18-29
    377 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 8:11 am
    LOL auburnjunky. There are times when political correctness goes a bit wrong but it levels out. legislation should never say "employ 1 black person for every 1 white and 1 asian for every 1 gay person" legislation should just say "employ the right people for the job, and if you mention skin colour or sexual orientation in the interview you will be put in the gas chamber you racist scum bag!" errr... ok maybe not the bit about the gas chamber.
  138. Profile photo of thor82
    thor82 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 8:16 am
    zarbogres, minority groups is way too general.
  139. Profile photo of mischeif954
    mischeif954 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 8:16 am
    Madest I think you wrong they are trying to change the law to remove the man to woman part of it.
  140. Profile photo of waffle247
    waffle247 Male 18-29
    377 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 8:19 am
    @mischief - I used to work with a gay accountant who was always making jokes that were a bit erm.. riskay I guess. Used to make me laugh a lot. Especially the one where he`d ask random people if they`d like a couple of his grapes he kept under his desk to suck on while he did their paperwork. (They really were fruit btw) I can understand that being seen as non-productive, but it made my day go faster having someone with that kind of sense of humour in the office; even if I did sometimes press the wrong buttons cause I was laughing so much.
  141. Profile photo of Oystah
    Oystah Female 40-49
    4032 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 8:19 am
    A ten year old kid is embroiled a gay rights issue? Really? I think that`s totally f-d up and sad.
  142. Profile photo of mmp2064
    mmp2064 Male 40-49
    27 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 8:20 am
    I have had a psychotherapy practice for almost 15 years. Percentage of people seeking treatment because of homo parents or homo adoption? 0% Percentage of people seeking treatment due to divorce? 60% Thanks heteros!
  143. Profile photo of thor82
    thor82 Male 18-29
    56 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 8:23 am
    mmp2064, I`d like to know how many people there are that are adopted by homosexuals or raised by homosexuals, compared to those whose parents are heterosexual. I`m sure the numbers are a bit uneven.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    November 17, 2009 at 8:24 am
    Never said you were wrong madest. I respect your opinion. I am not trying to change anyone.
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    waffle247 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 8:25 am
    LOL @ mmp2064. Down with gays, up with pay checks? oooh..er missus! :P
  146. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 8:26 am
    Time to go to work. Bye all.
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    waffle247 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 8:28 am
    don`t work too hard auburn... and watch out for the guy in the cubical next to you... mwhahahaha! :P
  148. Profile photo of mmp2064
    mmp2064 Male 40-49
    27 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 8:40 am
    of course the numbers are uneven, but statistically it still doesn`t add up. all I`m saying is dump money and rally against gay marriage once your own house is in order CHURCH! Their house is on fire and they want to ban birthday candles thinking that will help.
  149. Profile photo of madest
    madest Male 40-49
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    November 17, 2009 at 8:47 am
    "Madest I think you wrong they are trying to change the law to remove the man to woman part of it."
    -----------
    Clearly you don`t know what you`re talking about and you`re not very good at sentence structure. I suggest more education.
  150. Profile photo of waffle247
    waffle247 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 8:48 am
    @madest - that`s why inbreeding is banned in most of the world I guess. :P
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    waffle247 Male 18-29
    377 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 8:50 am
    I agree with mmp2064. It`s like most of western politics, we can`t sort out our own problems but hey let`s go tell other people how to fix theirs!
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    GosuPaul Male 18-29
    516 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 9:13 am
    Everyone look at the flippin` annoying Dad while the kid`s talking anytime.

    He`s always got his eyebrows arched outwards, continuously looks back and forth, and has the worst half-smile.

    I hate people like that. Trying to garner sympathy and respect from others by putting on a facade in public.

    I also want to smack the sh*t outta that little kid. He`s destined to become a self-conceited little geek ball who has no respect for anything that he doesn`t agree with.

  153. Profile photo of mischeif954
    mischeif954 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 9:22 am
    First off your retarded you haven`t said anything substantial just insult people 2nd of all if they are not trying to change a law then whats the argument? Sorry I`m not an English major I`m a computer engineer major. What are they trying to do then please tell us since your so wise.
  154. Profile photo of Wildcats2008
    Wildcats2008 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 9:25 am
    Just one little flaw in one person`s argument (I didn`t feel like reading every single post).

    Gay people can get a power of attorney. All it does is say who specifically gets to make decisions for someone else in case they are unable...married or not

    I could give power of attorney to my mailman even though that wouldn`t be too smart because he doesn`t know me well enough to make decisions in my place.

    Now with that said there are a few things like deciding whether or not to resuscitate and/or keep a person on life support but that would fall to next of kin so if the person is open enough to want to be married hopefully the next of kin will decide based on what their "Partner" wants. Oh and you can get a medical power of attorney saying your "partner" makes medical decisions.

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    tftlcd Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 9:26 am
    i think hes gay
  156. Profile photo of mischeif954
    mischeif954 Male 18-29
    616 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 9:30 am
    >>The Federal Marriage Amendment (FMA) (also referred to by proponents as the Marriage Protection Amendment) was a proposed amendment to the United States Constitution which would have limited marriage in the United States to unions of one man and one woman. The FMA would also have prevented judicial extension of marriage rights to same-sex or other unmarried couples, as well as preventing polygamy.<<

    isnt it this you idiot. Look I dont jus say I`m right I show it.
    PS even with bad sentence structure guess I showed you.

  157. Profile photo of opiebreath
    opiebreath Female 18-29
    15774 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 9:34 am
    "Now with that said there are a few things like deciding whether or not to resuscitate and/or keep a person on life support but that would fall to next of kin so if the person is open enough to want to be married hopefully the next of kin will decide based on what their "Partner" wants. Oh and you can get a medical power of attorney saying your "partner" makes medical decisions."

    If you think those are the only rights given in marriage, you need to do some research.

  158. Profile photo of shunpo_31
    shunpo_31 Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 9:35 am
    lol it says "liberty and justice"

    not equality.

    oops, too bad. operationally defining "justice" to your own liking? nice. :-p

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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    November 17, 2009 at 9:47 am
    this is a video version of an old post isnt it?
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    Dogboy76 Male 30-39
    156 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 9:48 am
    "I want to know what everyone thinks. For real.
    Is homosexuality a chemical imbalance? A condition in the brain that causes a person to act against biology and procreation.

    OR????

    Is it a choice.

    Remember Occam`s Razor while you answer."

    Haha, how to load a question. It`s like saying "do you still beat your wife, yes or no?"

    Especially since there is no scientist worth their salt saying it`s a chemical imbalance. Infact there is no real concensus at all.

  161. Profile photo of opiebreath
    opiebreath Female 18-29
    15774 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 9:50 am
    "Is homosexuality a chemical imbalance? A condition in the brain that causes a person to act against biology and procreation.
    OR????

    Is it a choice."

    I don`t see why it has to be 100% one or the other, though I think "choice" is a very poor word to use for "environmental factors."

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    LandoGriffin Male 30-39
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    November 17, 2009 at 9:51 am

    mischeif954
    Male, 18-29, Southern US
    24 Posts Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:11:24 AM
    If your denied a job, because your gay most likely your TOO flamboyant and wouldn`t be conducive to the environment similarly as someone who had some other type of overwhelming personality.

    Actually I read a study, which I think was done in the UK, where actors pretended to be gay job applicants.

    One had a button that said "Gay and Proud" or something and was very open, the other was "in the closet" and admitted being gay but said it was a secret.

    Employers were more likely to hire the one who was "out" and proud, presumably because he had more confidence.

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    mischeif954 Male 18-29
    616 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 10:01 am
    >>Actually I read a study, which I think was done in the UK, where actors pretended to be gay job applicants.

    One had a button that said "Gay and Proud" or something and was very open, the other was "in the closet" and admitted being gay but said it was a secret.

    Employers were more likely to hire the one who was "out" and proud, presumably because he had more confidence. <<

    I would imagine so that`s why i said if you were denied there`s plenty of jobs where that type of personality is more desirable besides your case and not to stereo type a greeter, hair salon, fashion/retail.

  164. Profile photo of Oystah
    Oystah Female 40-49
    4032 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 10:08 am
    "Employers were more likely to hire the one who was "out" and proud, presumably because he had more confidence."

    Or was it because they were less likely to be sued for discrimination?

  165. Profile photo of keg74
    keg74 Male 30-39
    411 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 10:08 am
    Wow bravo to this kid, he is more aware than most adults I know. Stay strong little buddy, I salute you.
  166. Profile photo of urbanlegend
    urbanlegend Male 18-29
    741 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 10:17 am
    in all honesty, good for him
  167. Profile photo of squoggle
    squoggle Female 18-29
    158 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 10:29 am
    Awwwww he doesn`t get that reality isn`t made up of guidlines or something, that`s really cute. I think it`s really good that he`s standing up for what he belives in, and in a really unharmful way.
  168. Profile photo of Edgarska19
    Edgarska19 Male 18-29
    1045 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 10:30 am
    well, i hope for the good of this country, that he never has to pledge allegiance in his life.
  169. Profile photo of Dogboy76
    Dogboy76 Male 30-39
    156 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 10:39 am
    "I don`t see why it has to be 100% one or the other, though I think "choice" is a very poor word to use for "environmental factors."

    Exactly. It`s a loaded question and neither of the choices given are in anyway correct.

  170. Profile photo of thanna
    thanna Male 18-29
    254 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 10:46 am
    lol, west fork is 10 minutes from where i live.

    welcome to: you are now leaving west fork

  171. Profile photo of Oystah
    Oystah Female 40-49
    4032 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 10:53 am
    "Environmental factors" is a tough one. A human being`s free will should be able to overcome an enviromental factor. For instance, an abused child does not automatically grow into an abuser. Some do (or use that as a reason for their choice to become abusive), but some don`t. Not that I am comparing homosexuality to child abuse, but I think "environmental factor" is a cop out for not exercising one`s free will.
  172. Profile photo of almightybob1
    almightybob1 Male 18-29
    4290 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 11:04 am
    Or was it because they were less likely to be sued for discrimination?

    Didn`t you read what Lando wrote? Both actors pretended to be gay. They didn`t pick the gay one over the straight one, they picked the "out" one over the one who said he was gay but still in the closet.

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    Oystah Female 40-49
    4032 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 11:09 am
    I did, Almighty - one who was hiding the fact he was gay might be less likely to challenge the fact that he/she may be overlooked for the job.
  174. Profile photo of McGovern1981
    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 11:09 am
    @Edgarska19: "well, i hope for the good of this country, that he never has to pledge allegiance in his life."
    ??????????????
    Yes, because if they allowed homosexual marrige your tiny brain may explode and all the kittens and puppys of the world would spontaniously combust.
  175. Profile photo of almightybob1
    almightybob1 Male 18-29
    4290 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 11:30 am
    one who was hiding the fact he was gay might be less likely to challenge the fact that he/she may be overlooked for the job.

    Also known as a confidence issue.

  176. Profile photo of 420foy
    420foy Male 18-29
    671 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 11:38 am
    that dad looked soooo smug
  177. Profile photo of Boadicea
    Boadicea Female 18-29
    1677 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 11:42 am
    "but I think "environmental factor" is a cop out for not exercising one`s free will."

    One`s free will... to change who they are in order to be part of the status quo? Yeah, because people who don`t live their lives exactly as you do should have to repress themselves and change their natural inclinations because some people think their sex lives are `icky`.

    The fact is, homosexuals are not hurting anybody. They cannot be compared to child abusers or criminals or whatever other crap you people are spewing. They don`t need to change, because their actions are not harmful.

  178. Profile photo of Boadicea
    Boadicea Female 18-29
    1677 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 11:44 am
    People have a problem with them because they think what they do is gross. But sex is not the biggest part of a relationship. Seeing any of you drating your opposite-sex partner would probably be gag-inducing to most people as well, but you`re allowed to be married and practice all the disgusting sexual things you like with a nice legal stamp of approval. Hypocrisy? I think so. Disgusting judgemental superiority complex? I think so.

    Just because you don`t like what people "do", that doesn`t mean you should be allowed to deny/restrict their rights. And yes, separating marriage and civil unions is indeed restriction and denial of rights. Based on nothing more than some old lame book full of offensive bullpoo that somehow keeps wrecking people`s lives two thousand years later. Live and let live you douchebags.

  179. Profile photo of moonperyie
    moonperyie Female 18-29
    91 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 11:48 am
    I`ll never pledge allegiance again because its mind control.
  180. Profile photo of Oystah
    Oystah Female 40-49
    4032 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 11:53 am
    Almighty, you`re being literal and I`m being hypothetical, that`s all. I guess I shoulda put a winky face in my comment.
  181. Profile photo of waffle247
    waffle247 Male 18-29
    377 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 11:55 am
    What is it with americans and pledging allegiance to a flag anyway? I mean it seems a bit weird to have it in schools, if someone suggested we do the same in the UK they`d probably get laughed out the room.
  182. Profile photo of madest
    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 12:03 pm
    "that dad looked soooo smug"
    -----------------
    That dad deserves to be smug. His genes created a little brainiac that has the ability to see the hypocrisy in a poem that celebrates all Americans "liberty". I`d bet that smugness is concealing a beaming pride.
  183. Profile photo of Oystah
    Oystah Female 40-49
    4032 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 12:05 pm
    Bodicia - please re-read my comment (even though you hate it). I was addressing the term "environmental factors". That`s it.

    I think you are absolutely right about opponents of gay marriage making it all about sex - that`s the best argument I`ve heard all day.

    While I guess it was a poor choice of words I was merely using a child abuser as an example of an enivornmental factor. Many of them equate their present abusing with their own past abuse.

  184. Profile photo of AnwarNova
    AnwarNova Male 18-29
    2076 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 12:08 pm
    Anyone else think that the kid had the demeanor and voice of a male Lisa Simpson?
  185. Profile photo of ElDavo
    ElDavo Male 18-29
    2149 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 12:08 pm
    Who cares what a 10-year-old does? His parents are prolly telling him not to pledge anyway.
  186. Profile photo of Andicicle
    Andicicle Male 18-29
    503 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 12:17 pm
    feck you naysayers, congratulations to the boy.
  187. Profile photo of SilverThread
    SilverThread Male 30-39
    3431 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 12:21 pm
    He pledged allegiance to the fags of the United States of America.
  188. Profile photo of electricmonk
    electricmonk Female 13-17
    96 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 12:24 pm
    You go, little man.
  189. Profile photo of xScalawag
    xScalawag Female 18-29
    195 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 12:35 pm
    It`s sad that 4th grade and 12th grade are exactly the same. I don`t stand either, for the same reasons. I get poo for it, too. Good to see I`m not the only one.
  190. Profile photo of britt566
    britt566 Female 18-29
    2290 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 12:41 pm
    *High Five* to the boy!
  191. Profile photo of Fatninja01
    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
    25420 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 12:45 pm
    Maybe its just attention seeking :)
  192. Profile photo of pomunium
    pomunium Female 13-17
    77 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 12:53 pm
    Why does anyone care whether or not some kid says the pledge?
    At my school, we shuffle up to our feet and mumble along and then plop back down to our seats. I don`t think I`ve said the full pledge in years, I always trail off halfway through.
  193. Profile photo of laurjendee
    laurjendee Female 18-29
    202 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 12:59 pm
    Good for him :)
  194. Profile photo of ZeHeadshot
    ZeHeadshot Male 18-29
    15 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 1:03 pm
    HIGH IQ`S FTW. Oh... and LULz @ "A gaywad? Uh, what`s a gaywad?"
  195. Profile photo of imaguitargod
    imaguitargod Male 18-29
    480 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 1:20 pm
    Repost.
  196. Profile photo of vthokie4
    vthokie4 Male 18-29
    47 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 1:24 pm
    I never say the pledge. I`m not going to be forced say there is a god just like a Christian wont be forced to say there isn`t one.
  197. Profile photo of MindiMadness
    MindiMadness Female 13-17
    131 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 1:29 pm
    "Ma`am, you can go jump off a bridge" LMFAO!!! xD
    The innocence in his voice made that so hilarious!!
  198. Profile photo of ElSombrero
    ElSombrero Male 13-17
    716 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 1:34 pm
    What is with all these kids not taking the pledge of alligiance?

    Really... I understand his cause, but it`s like %50 of America is coming up with reasons not to take the pledge, and the other half is coming up with reasons to persecute them for it.

  199. Profile photo of Solvent
    Solvent Male 18-29
    2842 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 2:15 pm
    They make it sound like the pledge actually means something.
  200. Profile photo of woohooitsme
    woohooitsme Female 13-17
    98 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 2:16 pm
    i never say the pledge either.or stand up for it when everybody else in my classes do.
  201. Profile photo of Slmmhmmr161
    Slmmhmmr161 Male 18-29
    606 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 2:34 pm
    This kid kinda sounds scripted.
  202. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 3:22 pm
    waffle247:

    legislation should just say "employ the right people for the job, and if you mention skin colour or sexual orientation in the interview you will be put in the gas chamber you racist scum bag!" errr... ok maybe not the bit about the gas chamber.

    "equal rights" legislation is exactly the opposite of that - it makes it a legal requirement to judge people on their sex, skin colour or whatever else is officially deemed important enough and to give preferential treatment to people of the "right" sex, skin colour or whatever. It is very explicitly opposed to judging people only on relevant ability.

  203. Profile photo of madest
    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 3:26 pm
    It`s a poem that`s drilled into our heads for a lot of years of our lives. It`s significance is mandated by our overlords and this kid understands that it should mean what it says.
  204. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 3:26 pm
    I am so tired of this completely pointless arguing over just one single word(*) that right now I`d support outlawing marriage entirely, for everyone.


    * Don`t give me any crap about rights, because this isn`t about rights. It`s solely about the word `marriage`.

  205. Profile photo of LemonTarte
    LemonTarte Female 18-29
    1441 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 3:30 pm
    We used to say the pledge in school till about the sixth grade, and then it completely dissapeared from the school district. I`m pretty sure my little brother has only said it about once in his life.
  206. Profile photo of madest
    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 3:37 pm
    It is about right`s and you know it. If it weren`t it would never be in the courts. This whole debate will be moot when the Supreme Court decides not the voters.
  207. Profile photo of the_windy
    the_windy Female 18-29
    1589 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 3:37 pm
    After years being with IAB, I cannot believe something I submitted actually got accepted. O___O
    *marks day on calender*
  208. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 3:42 pm
    Kids parents put him up to this. I`d bet if he was questioned alone for awhile he`d admit he really doesn`t care.
  209. Profile photo of RipJack
    RipJack Male 13-17
    124 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 3:47 pm
    well, if a kid won`t say the pledge of allegiance, i guess we`ll have to do whatever he says.
  210. Profile photo of seabass101dg
    seabass101dg Male 18-29
    478 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 3:49 pm
    im sure this kid knows what he is talking about. :rolls eyes:
  211. Profile photo of Wildcats2008
    Wildcats2008 Male 18-29
    237 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 3:51 pm
    Opie, I was making the point that homosexuals can give power of attorney and that there are ways of getting similar benefits as marriage.

    No where did I say that those are the only benefits.

  212. Profile photo of Zerro
    Zerro Male 18-29
    628 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 4:24 pm
    Parents definitely put him up to it and for those who say they do it too or it`s a good idea, what does it prove? It`s just a very attention whore-ish thing to do.
  213. Profile photo of Boadicea
    Boadicea Female 18-29
    1677 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 4:39 pm
    "It`s just a very attention whore-ish thing to do."

    Sitting quietly while everybody else spouts off crap you don`t believe in/believe to be true is attention whorish? The mind boggles.

  214. Profile photo of Boadicea
    Boadicea Female 18-29
    1677 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 4:40 pm
    What does going along with the crowd prove? Why do either of these things have to "prove" anything?
  215. Profile photo of Killerbunn
    Killerbunn Male 13-17
    101 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 4:52 pm
    This kid seems a bit uptight. If he thinks our country is that bad he can just go grow up in a country where he doesn`t have the freedom he has.
  216. Profile photo of SovietCastro
    SovietCastro Male 18-29
    38 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 4:56 pm
    im going to pull out my attention whore card on the case your honor.
  217. Profile photo of WHOISIT12345
    WHOISIT12345 Male 18-29
    4394 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 5:11 pm
    Ma`am, you can go jump off a bridge :P

    cool gry

  218. Profile photo of 520
    520 Male 13-17
    431 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 5:27 pm
    hmm. He would.
  219. Profile photo of MonoBrow
    MonoBrow Male 18-29
    543 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 5:37 pm
    one of three reasons for this (or all three): the kid`s gay, hates his country, or his dad forced him to do that for his 5 minutes of fame. (I`m thinking all three)
  220. Profile photo of alphanoninc
    alphanoninc Male 70 & Over
    210 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 5:44 pm
    kid seems pretty intense.
  221. Profile photo of obhwfgirl
    obhwfgirl Female 18-29
    582 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 6:37 pm
    @npdarren

    Did you know that the "under God" part was added in the 1950`s to combat communism?

    Now you know.

  222. Profile photo of vitaliy
    vitaliy Male 18-29
    1668 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 7:02 pm
    This kid is really eloquent for his age
  223. Profile photo of lemurs366
    lemurs366 Female 18-29
    385 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 7:08 pm
    this kid is awesome
  224. Profile photo of whipsmart
    whipsmart Female 18-29
    665 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 7:13 pm
    DAMNIT, PEOPLE! I was expecting hundreds of "REPOST" messages. I am so disappointed in you all!
  225. Profile photo of keith2
    keith2 Male 30-39
    2591 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 7:14 pm
    come on.. gays and lesbians? why them and not non-pole-smoking non-carpet-munching potheads?
  226. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
    8306 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 7:37 pm
    > keith2
    > why them and not non-pole-smoking non-carpet-munching potheads?

    Well, you know, because even though we stoners don`t get treated right or equally... for some damn reason we don`t seem to give a drat... :-)

  227. Profile photo of elphienotfae
    elphienotfae Female 13-17
    158 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 7:50 pm
    I never said the pledge either and I`m not on the news! No fair :( But anyways. Well said kid. Well said.
  228. Profile photo of ohserio
    ohserio Female 13-17
    115 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 7:53 pm
    NERDS 2^2 EVER
  229. Profile photo of BenTheBug
    BenTheBug Male 18-29
    1195 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 7:59 pm
    Am I a bad person for laughing every time the kid spoke?
  230. Profile photo of Adaub7282
    Adaub7282 Male 13-17
    18 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 8:11 pm
    Auburn, you`re dumb.

    As Madest has so eloquently stated, this will be decided by the Supreme Court, not popular vote.

    You say that Homosexuality is inherently dangerous as it could hypothetically lead to the extinction of the human species, if people were to decide en masse to be gay. You also claim homosexuality is a chemical imbalance, and as it is inherently dangerous this chemical imbalance should be reversed, thus neutralizing the danger. Well, dumbpoo, if homosexuality is a chemical imbalance, there is no danger of straight people becoming gay and therefore not adding to the gene pool. As there is no danger now, there is no need to reverse the chemical imbalance, or trample over the GUARANTEED CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS of these Americans.

  231. Profile photo of Ando
    Ando Male 13-17
    374 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 8:13 pm
    at first i was like "wow bigass deal, a kid wont pledge allegance."
    but then i read the description, very awesome.
  232. Profile photo of patticakes
    patticakes Female 18-29
    463 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 8:13 pm
    Looks like he`s going to be a future ACLU lawyer.
  233. Profile photo of ImTakingOver
    ImTakingOver Male 18-29
    388 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 8:26 pm
    I agree, this kid is awesome.
    I stopped standing for the pledge too but for different reasons.
  234. Profile photo of Nidonemo
    Nidonemo Male 18-29
    9308 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 9:02 pm
    skywisejf, it`s wise not to post when wasted. Come back here when sober.
  235. Profile photo of Iroj
    Iroj Female 18-29
    960 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 9:10 pm
    That kid is both very brave (he`s openly defying the norm AND supporting gay rights in the south) and well spoken.

    Impressive. You go little man.

  236. Profile photo of han5nah
    han5nah Female 13-17
    735 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 9:11 pm
    yeah, i was excited to hear someone was taking a stand, but watching the video just made me sick. seemed like more of a publicity stunt from the parents. im sure the kid believed that, but i dont think that stuff would come out of a 10-year-old boy`s mouth, sorry.
  237. Profile photo of FlameOfUdun
    FlameOfUdun Male 18-29
    1222 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 9:50 pm
    So...basically he`s saying he isn`t allied with the United States...so why is he living here? Also, CNN is the worst news station I`ve ever seen. They put it on all the time at my work.
  238. Profile photo of ze_tuna_fish
    ze_tuna_fish Female 13-17
    92 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 10:08 pm
    smart kid with a good heart.
  239. Profile photo of Gregger
    Gregger Male 18-29
    60 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 10:29 pm
    smart kid o_O
  240. Profile photo of dragonshadoz
    dragonshadoz Female 18-29
    4031 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 11:02 pm
    Why is he living here, Flame? Uh, because he`s f-cking ten?

    Didn`t this same story just happen - and was posted - a few weeks ago?

  241. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 11:08 pm
    He`s just parroting what his lefty parents have told him. If somebody told him what gays actually do, he`d probably throw up and run away from home.
  242. Profile photo of Edgarska19
    Edgarska19 Male 18-29
    1045 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 11:12 pm
    to do list if i ever make it to the supreme court:

    keep marriage hetero-only
    legalize weed(even tough i don`t use anymore)
    delegalize abortions
    free banana-nut muffin monday mandatory in all government dependencies.

  243. Profile photo of Edgarska19
    Edgarska19 Male 18-29
    1045 posts
    November 17, 2009 at 11:14 pm
    @ oldollie

    "penis goes where?... aaaaahhhhh"

  244. Profile photo of NAZEREL
    NAZEREL Male 18-29
    62 posts
    November 18, 2009 at 12:11 am
    Ok i get the fact he`s the voice of his parents. But why must something be considered left wing? Why must people judge was is and what is not right? Most of the Problems society is facing is due to clashing religious opinions. can we not look past all the trivialities and not let people have the right to live the life they choose? We Canadians allow gays to marry and besides why should two people who love each other not be allowed to marry each other while two straights get divorced cause they cant stand the other person?
  245. Profile photo of Mani-Jac
    Mani-Jac Male 40-49
    805 posts
    November 18, 2009 at 1:01 am
    If somebody told him what gays actually do, he`d probably throw up and run away from home
    What is it, that is so different that gays do that it makes you want to throw up?

    I could watch 2 lesbians going at it without throwing up.

    And 2 gay men, well I don`t particularly like it but I wouldn`t throw up.

    And come to think of it, it`s prolly not that different from the "anal category" of your favorite pornsite, is it, OldOllie?

  246. Profile photo of An-egg
    An-egg Male 30-39
    885 posts
    November 18, 2009 at 1:06 am
    Pretty easy really. Marriage is a churchy thing conscripted by the state for taxation purposes. The churchy-type people have a right to it. They should consider a patent.
  247. Profile photo of waffle247
    waffle247 Male 18-29
    377 posts
    November 18, 2009 at 4:11 am
    @Angilion - about equal rights legislation... hence why I said "it should say" not "it does say".
  248. Profile photo of PierreJeanFR
    PierreJeanFR Male 40-49
    1360 posts
    November 18, 2009 at 4:35 am
    oldoddie, how do you know what gays do...
    oldfaggot
  249. Profile photo of waffle247
    waffle247 Male 18-29
    377 posts
    November 18, 2009 at 5:17 am
    PierreJeanFR probably because he has half a brain more than you do.
  250. Profile photo of McGovern1981
    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    November 18, 2009 at 6:32 am
    @PierreJeanFR
    At 30 to 39 if you don`t know what homosexuals do you must have the IQ of a cucumber.

  251. Profile photo of pmarren
    pmarren Male 40-49
    4575 posts
    November 18, 2009 at 7:07 am
    Fags, go figure.

    Why is this even news?

  252. Profile photo of hknuddv
    hknuddv Male 13-17
    72 posts
    November 18, 2009 at 7:18 am
    Ha go kid!
  253. Profile photo of Listypoos
    Listypoos Male 40-49
    3069 posts
    November 18, 2009 at 7:27 am
    Hmmm.. I was expecting this to be one of the cases where the kid has been told what to say from the parent and has to keep looking to them before answering.

    I was pleasantly surprised by not seeing any of that at all. I saw a very bright young kid who`s capable of speaking for himself brilliantly.

    good on him.

    p.s. @opie "Then explain to me why animals are extensively documented to exhibit same-sex behaviors and why you have a prostate buried deep in your ass with many nerve endings and many pleasure spots."


    you couldn`t mail my girlfriend and tell her how to find it less clumsily could you?

    At the moment she`s all fingers and thumbs..

  254. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    November 18, 2009 at 4:07 pm
    Pretty easy really. Marriage is a churchy thing conscripted by the state for taxation purposes. The churchy-type people have a right to it. They should consider a patent.

    Areligious marriages have been around since long before the church you refer to.

    In pre-Christian Rome, for example, there were several forms of marriage, of which only the least common was religious. By late republic (still pre-Christian) Rome, it was almost never used outside of a few priesthoods. All that was required for a legal marriage was the spouses stating that they were married or living together continuously for a year.

    Even as late as medieval England, the church was barely involved in marriage. Statement of marriage was enough for the law.

    Marriage is actually a personal and legal thing conscripted by the church.

    But it has been very thoroughly conscripted by the church, so demanding the word is utterly counter-productive.

  255. Profile photo of mischeif954
    mischeif954 Male 18-29
    616 posts
    November 18, 2009 at 5:15 pm
    @ Adaub He wasn`t the one who claimed being gay was a chemical imbalance we were discussing, How, that if being gay was something you had no control over and are born with why don`t they just cure it.
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    xavroche Male 30-39
    819 posts
    November 19, 2009 at 10:57 am
    All things aside, just the fact that children are forced to pledge allegiance to anything, even their own country, on a daily basis and at a very young age is in my opinion a very negative thing. I know that when I mindlessly repeated it every morning during elementary and to some extent middle school, I had no real understanding of what I was saying, and I certainly did not have the mental maturity to consent to anything.

    Forcing children to say the pledge goes against one of the founding tenets of the US: namely individual freedom. It also goes against the 1st and to some extent 14th amendments.

    I find that for a democratic country that was built on dissent it is strange to essentially brainwash us when we are children into mindlessly swearing fealty to our country.

    I also find that it defeats the purpose. "Pledging allegiance" should be something that is done at an age where there can actually be implications and meaning to the act. Also it should be done of one`s o

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    tails-tails Male 13-17
    122 posts
    November 19, 2009 at 2:49 pm
    What i do is say

    I pledge aliegence to the flag of the untited states of america, and to the republic for whiches stands one nation, under god, in the visable and there is no librity and justice for all. Sorry for the grammar errors XD

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    unintrasting Female 18-29
    1121 posts
    November 21, 2009 at 5:53 pm
    I didn`t even have to look down to know there is gonna be some religious rant on here. No matter how hard you argue people seem to be very stuck on their own beliefs.
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    unintrasting Female 18-29
    1121 posts
    November 21, 2009 at 5:56 pm
    tails-tails, very well said. =D
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    srg-fuery Female 18-29
    23 posts
    December 3, 2009 at 11:25 pm
    Epic win kid, " I really don`t know what a gay wad is, a deregetory name for someone who is a homeosexual" This kid seems pretty smart,I applaud his bravery and sticking up for his rights. :D

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