Man Suffers From Case of `Plumbers Elbow` [w/Pic]

Submitted by: ferdyfred 7 years ago Weird
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2672411/Crippled-man-up-in-arms-over-NHS.html

This plumber broke his arm 10 months ago and still waiting for surgery to fix it. There"s your National Healthcare.
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Male 50
OK...

1. It is The Sun. The Sun is incapable of reporting proper news accurately and appeals to societies lowest common denominator with rubbish about celebs and other non-entities filling it`s pages of c**p.
2. He is a smoker (as am I). Operations were therefore cancelled on health grounds over which he personally can have control. Quit the fags get the op is my guess.
3. Had this happened in the states, he would still be facing a huge bill for his original visit to A&E, as well as the prospect for finding money to get it corrected. At least under our NHS he has not been required to pay a penny, and nor will he have to for any of his medical care.

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Female 318
So he had it in plaster and he took it off early? It`s his own damn fault! How can this person blame other people for that?
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Female 1,077
@LADT25
we do. our government doesn`t.
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Female 19
One thing I have never understood about Americans who oppose a national health service...

People call it `socialised` medicine because it`s available to everyone, funded by government etc...

But surely education is already under this system? And also the police...and fire service?

In other countries such as here in the UK we see health care as a basic human right such as education.

I have never understood why Americans don`t see it that way.

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Male 12,365
"umm... i`m not an expert, but it says that they put it in a cast. don`t they usually set a bone before they cast it? did he like rip the cast off and mess his arm up himself just for news?"

He took the cast off himself. I have no idea why. I think the sequence of events is as follows:

He falls and breaks his arm.

He`s taken to hospital, where he is treated straight away. X-rays, setting, cast, the usual.

He`s told to return after a set time for the healing of the injury to be assessed.

On the assessment, it`s found that the break is not healing properly (this may have been his fault too) and it should be pinned. He is advised to get into better shape, because he`s not fit to be operated on.

He takes the cast off (obviously he shouldn`t have done).

In pre-op testing, he is found to be too unfit to be operated on. So it`s delayed.

The last step is repeated.

It`s his choice to be too unfit to be operated on - he smokes a lot. His blood pressure is too

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Male 227
you want your surgery? Quit smoking dummy.
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Male 75
definately agree with all of the first page`s comments. Its the f`ing sun. And yes, it`s stories like this that try and make the NHS look like a failure. Wrong. Absolutely incorrect. the NHS is awesome.
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Female 2,289
the sun...

... the suN... the sUN... the SUN... thE SUN... tHE SUN

... THE SUN.

Thank you.

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Female 57
umm... i`m not an expert, but it says that they put it in a cast. don`t they usually set a bone before they cast it? did he like rip the cast off and mess his arm up himself just for news?
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Male 604
Think of it this way:

At least he lives in a country where his situation is considered "news"

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Male 50
OK...

1. It is The Sun. The Sun is incapable of reporting proper news accurately and appeals to societies lowest common denominator with rubbish about celebs and other non-entities filling it`s pages of c**p.
2. He is a smoker (as am I). Operations were therefore cancelled on health grounds over which he personally can have control. Quit the fags get the op is my guess.
3. Had this happened in the states, he would still be facing a huge bill for his original visit to A&E, as well as the prospect for finding money to get it corrected. At least under our NHS he has not been required to pay a penny, and nor will he have to for any of his medical care.

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Male 959
ok so he`s waiting for the surgery, but there is no way he went into a hospital with a broken arm, and he left with it still in that shape. He`s messed it up himself and now he`s looking for someone else to blame.
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Male 39
I could go to the drudge report for this nonsense.
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Male 4
Ummm. The Sun is akin to our National Enquirer. Timing seems just about right for our healthcare debates.
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Male 4,547
Opie:
I`m not sure why you`re asking me specifically, but generally speaking no.

One argument that has some weight to it is that because most people will go public, private will need to charge more to cover their costs, etc.

However: This assumes many many people go public, which in turn assumes it works, which in turn suggests it`s overall a good thing.

America already pays more for its private healthcare than comparable countries, it pays more for medicines, it pays more for everything TODAY.

If Obama succeeds in creating an affordable alternative, there is no real reason private will be able to survive on the current ridiculous rates, let alone higher ones.

Having said that, the healthcare legislation is 3000 pages long, so it is plausible(probable) some factors will raise rather than lower prices, overall the trend should be down, not up.

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Male 12,365
"Okay... I don`t care about the freaking healthcare debate... just someone please bring this man to the hospital. It`s the ONLY thing that matters here."

He was treated straight away. People in the USA are being fed utter bull about the health system in the UK, purely for USA domestic political reasons. I broke my *little toe* and I was seen at a hospital by a doctor 15 minutes after I got there.

He has *chosen* to ignore medical advice, worsen his injury and make himself unsuitable for surgery. He has been choosing that for 10 months.

They offered him an operation when it became clear that the break was not healing correctly (which might well have been his fault as well, given his behaviour). That was back in February.

This is not a failure of the NHS. It`s a failure of the patient. Any private healthcare system with qualified doctors would do the same thing.

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Female 15,763
Eye, did you even read the article? They gave the guy a cast but he (apparently) took it off before the time was up.
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Female 282
i dont believe this for nothing, noone would have sat through that pain, nor have no common sense to strighten the bone so you dont end up looking like a twist toy
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Male 81
that is a complete fracture of the humerus, so an hour or two after the break occured, complete muscular tetanus would have set in, causing his upper arm to compress. so ten months from that point in time, he wouldnt have an arm from constant hemorrhaging of the humerus and surrounding parts, and not to mention every time he moved his arm the sharp ends of bone would move around, causing even more muscular irritation then previously set in. did any one think of that before they got started up on the healthcare?
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Male 716
Okay... I don`t care about the freaking healthcare debate... just someone please bring this man to the hospital. It`s the ONLY thing that matters here.
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Male 12,365
""The Sun" is like the UK`s version of Weekly World News, right?"

Not quite, no. The Sport is like the UK`s version of Weekly World News, but with a lot more porn.

The Sun is much worse, because it pretends to be a newspaper and it has influence.

"The article says they set his arm in plaster. Then how could they have possibly set it at such an awkward angle? They didn`t."

Right, they didn`t. They set it straight, he took the plaster off. He`s also delaying the op needed to fix it.

Anyone using this to promote private healthcare is an ignorant fool or a liar. He wouldn`t be treated under private healthcare either, even if he could afford it.

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Male 106
We have national healthcare here in Canada, and it is among the best in the world, END OF STORY.

The problem with the US is that the government is trying to institute it when the government is essentially BROKE.

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Male 471
On one hand, "lol british healthcare".

On the other- it`s the Sun. It means absolutely nothing.

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Male 74
hey Toochified, The Sun is from the UK (like the Enquirer), get your facts straight before you start your bitchin`
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Male 3,842
"The Sun" is like the UK`s version of Weekly World News, right? Obvious shop. The article says they set his arm in plaster. Then how could they have possibly set it at such an awkward angle? They didn`t. I call shenanigans on this one.
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Female 513
I call foul on this one. I don`t know what it`s like in the UK, but in Canada, if you have a broken arm, you don`t wait for surgery beyond a few days if there are a lot of traumas that come in. In fact, HIS break looks like it would have been classed as a Priority 1B basis; as in emergent but if someone comes in near death, he`d be bumped until after them.

That type of break he has there looks near impossible for merely "falling" down the stairs, and the angle its at seems a little.. exaggerated. With that type of fracture, he should have tenting of the skin, or even bone puncturing the skin. Furthermore, if the bones HAD "knitted" together, it`s unlikely he`d even be able to move it out of that position.

A broken arm is going to hurt one hell of a lot; any sort of movement will displace the bones and cause extreme pain (although, not as bad as a broken "shin" bone).

So, I call foul. There`s information missing in this article.

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Female 95
May be from the Sun but it is the truth; considering that the mortality rate for people diagnosed with breast cancer in Great Britain is the 3rd highest in the world I don`t think your health care system is the "best".
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Male 77
Man, the rest of the world is so f`ing tired of all the bitching and whining about healthcare, you voted your president in, he`s trying to help the people, enough already, waaaaaaaaaaah
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Male 219
It`s from the Sun which is the UK equivalent of a Marvel comic. Incedentally the Sun has just switched it`s backing from the UK`s nearest match to a socialist government to the marginally more right wing opposition so it`s no surprise it is running `look what your social state did to me` stories.
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Female 924
An article from the Sun ... alright, just forget about it.
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Male 478
"Socialized healthcare r teh bestzzz!!!1! lololololol"
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Male 1,837
its the Sun...
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Male 500
Awww Fr1g it, whats the use, I give up.......
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Male 500
Not sure about the exact details of this case, but the NHS is a highly respected organisation and although mistakes happen, on the whole they are fantastic (The doctors involved are all the same as run the private healthcare system anyway - the only difference with tprivate is a shorter queue and a private room). In fact people come from all over the world to freeload on our health system. This was reported by the Sun, who are a bunch of liars, and at best are witholding salient information about the case. Americans, think of them as scum like your Fox news, and if you don`t know what you are talking about, as most of you clearly don`t, then don`t spout ridiculous selfish [email protected] opinions about the social healthcare system which alleviates the potential suffering of millions. The USA would hugely benefit from such a social attitude and such a system, for the world to progress through the current batch of crises, the culture of out of control consumption, blind jingoism, hate and s
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Female 855
National health...Take a long look America, this is our future!
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Male 113
Socialized healthcare is a failure, no matter where you live. Free market healthcare is the only way to go. One of the reasons why we have made so many advances in medical science is because it is part of the free market economy.
Medical companies make a profit= more funds for R&D = more medical advances.

What we do need is tort reform. Put a limit on how much people can sue a doctor. My wife is a nurse under a general practictioner; he paid 100k dollars in malpractice premiums last year. 10% of what is paid to the doctor, goes directly to the insurance company.

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Female 288
With the combined support of a better health care plan and having people to STOP HAVING KIDS (seriously, guys) the world might be a better place.
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Female 5,222
its from the sun..
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Male 678
Its our own fault really! we have similar problems here. but the reall issue is that there are to many bastards growing to be 150 and to many idiots that cant navigate a flight of stairs.
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Male 242
It smells...it smells...it smells like bullpoo! Yes That`s the smell I recognized.
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Female 15,763
Okay I have a question, Baal. Most likely under the proposed public health care system, room for private health care would still be made, right? Is there any reason that it would be REALLY F*CKING RIDICULOUSLY expensive?

If not... then I don`t understand why a public option could harm people who already can afford the private healthcare system we have now.

Just trying to understand. :\

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Male 1,598
From one of the world`s only reliable news sources...
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Female 335
lmao ten months
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Male 1,452
i dont trust the sun, now excuse me while i go get my news from internet blogs and Wikipedia

/sarcasm

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Male 4,547
Let us pretend for a moment that Angillion is wrong, which he isn`t (in this case... damnit Agillion that`s twice in a row you`ve made me agree with you).

Is the poster of this link suggesting if there was a healthcare system like the US currently has, he would get it?

The UK has private healthcare. As well as the NHS.
He didn`t go private. Likely because he couldn`t afford it.

At WORST, he would be in the same position he is now. The worst case scenario, (one that gets put in newspaper front pages), is America`s current "scenario". Not worst case.

Final point: I don`t think we get Kool Aid in the UK, that`s an American thing.

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Male 48
oww
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Male 3,819
I could go for a load of bread right now.
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Female 77
Got to love the Sun
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Male 1,406
Why would he wear a watch on the crooked arm? Seems pretty silly to me. Also, lolsun
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Male 61
The amount of typos in that news article is staggering.
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Male 25,416
o dear! thats horrible!
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Male 59
After a long weekend that`s what my wrist looks like (I`m not a plumber)
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Male 112
It`s from the Sun..., nuf said
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Male 12,365
"Yeah, the Sun is not a place to go for good journalism. Clinical reasons, what`s the problem?"

The op would need to be done under general anaethesia.

He is so unfit that general anaesthesia is medically inadvisable. His blood pressure is high enough to make a general risky and he smokes, which also makes a general risky. General anaesthesia is no small thing and people with high risk factors can die under it. He has chosen and continues to choose to greatly reduce the functionality of his lungs and heart, in addition to the high blood pressure.

The op on his arm is not an emergency that needs to be done ASAP to save his life. So doctors told him 10 months ago that he`d need to stop choosing to make himself unfit for a general before they`d do the op. He chose and continues to choose to ignore them.

If doctors did the op, they might even be charged with malpractice, especially if he died.

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Male 12,365
"Well, it says clearly that they put the arm in a cast- I doubt they stuck a cast THAT shape on. "

He took the cast off himself. Which, unsurprisingly, was not a good idea.

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Male 15,832
Okay, if he can`t move his arm, how does he read his watch?
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Male 12,365
Based on what has really happened, rather than the Sun`s story, I think this raises a couple of questions:

Should he be fined for deliberately wasting public money and, if he was paid for it, profiting from defaming the NHS?

Is he entitled to be supported by public money when his disability is self-inflicted?

He is wasting public money by deliberately delaying the work on his arm. Partly by increasing admin costs, but mainly by increasing the amount of medical work that will be required.

His *continuing* disability is self-inflicted, because he continues to decide to make himself unfit to have the operation needed to fix it.

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Male 1,381
Musuko:

basically every other country in the world is beginning to give america a run for its money. EVERYTHING IS RUINED FOREVER

hooray, xkcd.

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Male 12,365
"Angilion.. Are you actually trying to defend The Sun?"

I derided the Sun. I wasn`t even subtle about it. To be blunt, I took the piss out of the Sun.

Are you actually thinking that doing so is defending the Sun?

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Male 12,365
"Keep drinking that Kool-Aid there liberals...keep on drinking"

You accept any old bull, even from a source internationally known for being farcically unreliable. You accept an obviously ludicrous spin on a story as fact, despite that fact that no-one who knew anything relevant and who wasn`t too far under normal intelligence could believe it. You don`t spend even 30s cross-checking anything.

It`s very clearly you who`s drinking the Kool-Aid.

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Male 964
I lol`d at the ad at the bottom "Train as a Pro Plummer" xD
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Male 171
Angilion.. Are you actually trying to defend The Sun?
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Male 12,365
"The Sun is fiction which some inexplicably take as fact."

That`s not entirely true. The football scores are fact and the weather forecast are fairly close to being fact. It`s just everything else that`s lies. Even the porn on page 3 isn`t a truly factual image of what the woman looks like - what model photo is?

Oh, wait. Maybe they still have a TV guide. That would probably be fact.

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Male 364
Okay can I say that I am now getting upset with IAB? I come here for light and fluffy, something to help pass the time. Amusing photo`s stories etc.

I do not come here for divisive stories about politic or religion. If I want that I`ll go watch Fox news.

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Male 12,138
[quote]Keep drinking that Kool-Aid there liberals...keep on drinking[/quote]

Keep getting your facts from sources like The Sun there conservatives...

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Male 670
dude, at the point, drating make your own godamn splint
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Male 4,014
The Sun is a complete joke of a publication, and not one article written in it should be taken at face value.

Buried in the piece - dude`s own refusal to stop smoking delayed his surgery.

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Male 4,680
The Sun is fiction which some inexplicably take as fact.
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Male 129
Keep drinking that Kool-Aid there liberals...keep on drinking
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Female 7,838
Well, it says clearly that they put the arm in a cast- I doubt they stuck a cast THAT shape on. The NHS provides a top notch service to ALL WHO NEED IT. The SUN is a terrible rag, as far as I can see he buggered up his arm after they put the cast on and they cancelled a pinning op due to his high blood pressure, and then he smoked like a chimney despite warning. I smoke- and yet have never been refused treatment.
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Male 6
Never mind the missed surgery, who the hell set the arm in a cast like that in the first place?
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Female 190
Musuko, you said it.

The NHS isn`t perfect, but no system is. If he quit smoking, he`d have had his operation by now.

Oh, and The Sun? Seriously? Come on. My dad gets that, and when my friends are coming round, I hide it out of shame. Don`t trust it, guys.

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Male 1,929
The Sun is our Fox News. Carry on.
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Male 2,850
Let`s make this as clear as possible, again, because it`s the most important point here;

The delays are being caused for medical reasons, NOT bureaucratic ones. He`d have just as long a wait under a private system.

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Male 2,850
Also note, in Britain, there IS private healthcare alongside the public healthcare. He could pay to get his arm fixed privately, if he wanted.

But wait, they wouldn`t do it any sooner either, because the problem is his failure to quit smoking and get his health up to a level that`s safe for the surgery, so any decent private doctor will tell him EXACTLY the same thing; we need to wait, stop smoking numbnuts and we`ll be able to fix your arm sooner.

Christ. Anyway, America? Haven`t you noticed that every other developed nation has universal healthcare? France does it, and France does it very well. Are you saying that America can`t do it well?

Are you saying that America isn`t as good as France at running something?

There. Does THAT approach work?

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Male 2,850
"Mr Eeles` operation was cancelled only twice - and then both on clinical safety grounds."

That doesn`t sound like a failing of the medical system to me. That sounds to me like a GOOD medical system delaying surgery because the patient`s health isn`t up to it yet.

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Male 7,123
Yeah, the Sun is not a place to go for good journalism. Clinical reasons, what`s the problem?
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Male 535
Steve,

Fox news once claimed that the Moon is made of tobacco and that it was influencing our kids to do heroin. (ok they didn`t, but they probably will soon.)

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Male 155
sorry the sun is like our fox news everything is a lie
they once claimed Eddy Murphey was going to play the Riddler in batman 3, two months after the Dark Knight came out
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Male 190
Congratulations. You found an example of someone getting screwed by public healthcare. Now go and look at the thousands of Americans dying because they cant get necessary surgery. I guarantee you will have an easier time finding that than the few issues of delayed treatment.
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Male 4,290
30 seconds in Google gives me the NHS Trust in question`s statement, found here. They only cancelled twice, both times because to go ahead would have put his life in serious risk. If he quit smoking like he was repeatedly told to, this would have been fixed months ago.
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Male 206
i personally wish my arm looked like that..
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Male 1,646
you think this new deformation wouldent hinder, but help him in being a plumber. now he can bend and reach places that he couldn`t before XD
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Male 5,094
The Sun article. Moving along now.
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Male 3,425
I completey agree jo maycock. And as you said, this is The Sun, any excuse to make it look like the country is failing and they`ll print it.
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Female 781
I myself have a friend (Canadian) who has put his wrestling hobby on hold because he needs a shoulder operation (it`s been dislocated too many times). He`s been waiting for four years.

I don`t think people have got this healthcare thing figured out just yet...

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Male 76
"Up in arms" lol.
Yeah The Sun..hmmm...Bout as trustworthy as gary glitter in nursery school. there`s a reason people in Liverpool never buy this you know.
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Female 3
I hate the way the Americans are slating our health care at the moment. The NHS has helped me in so many different ways and they never focus on the successes. Of course there are going to be times when it goes wrong (and the Sun newspaper is renowned for over exaggerating and picking up on rare examples and blowing them out of proportion) but in general it saves millions. The amount of health care I have received through the NHS would of cost thousands were I in America! I`ve had psychiatry, mental health support workers, orthodontic treatment, free spectacles and numerous other things. Without the NHS I would be dead, quite literally. At least in Britain anyone is entitled to it unlike in the US where it`s those who have money.
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Male 7,586
its "the sun", so yeah, not really trusting it
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Male 784
Ahh quality news from the investigative The Sun
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Male 2,703
anyone from a country with "national healthcare" will tell you the same thing.

we don`t need a national healthcare system in the US, we already have it. its called medicare and medicaid, they just need to broaden the people it affects.

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Male 171
Just wait until FOX hears about this
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Male 3,425
British versus American Healthcare... GO GO GO!
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Male 10,845

DUDE!

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Female 262
I thought it would be about some guy who`s elbow resembled a butt... I`m disappointed.
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Male 5,314
holy balls!!!
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Male 13,624
Link: Man Suffers From Case of `Plumbers Elbow` [w/Pic] [Rate Link] - This plumber broke his arm 10 months ago and still waiting for surgery to fix it. There`s your National Healthcare.
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