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There is nothing but human grandeur and human stupidity, human achievement and human failure, human strength and human weakness.
We owe nothing to any deity we`ve ever come up with, because they`re all falsehoods.
I agree with you both completely.The irony is that if anyone is dealt a losing hand, and something just happens to go right, at least partially, it`s a `miracle`; the whole horrible incident is forgiven. (Am I expressing this correctly? I`m not talking about anyone in particular.)Davy, I feel for you. I have lost several family members to cancer. It`s a horrible feeling to know that someone you love is on a timeline of sorts.... Well, this is an awfully cheery atmosphere.
No argument from me there Britt. Many people believe in a Higher Power, and I respect that. For me, that higher power is called science, or at least that part of science we haven`t figured out yet.
Like Overmann, I have no beef with people`s individual beliefs. That`s their own business. But when religion starts taking credit for the work of surgeons, some of the smartest humans that we`ve evolved (yes, I used that dirty word), then I get pissed off.
True story time (really, I`m not trying to score points here, this is real and live). Earlier tonight, my Aunt went under the scalpel for cancer. Surgeons closed her back up. There was nothing they could do for her, she`s got 2 months to live, so say the Docs.
If God exists, I`m giving him a big f*cking middle finger right now, cause he`s a toying, jealous, fame-seeking, manipulating c*nt.
God, if you`re there, suck the back side of my balls.
Sorry, triple post. On a power trip now, *I* (and fellow Mods) tell people who to shut up around here. Not you. So don`t.
Ah Britt, I notice you claim yourself Christian on your profile. From my Christian childhood, one of the most oft-told fables of the virtues of Christianity was where God told Abraham to kill his son. Human sacrifice. Abraham (listening to the voices in his head), went ahead and tied his son to a rock, and was about to stab him in the chest when God popped in and said, "Nah, just f*cking with ya. We cool now."
Three words. Sick As F*ck.
Overmann is many things. I sincerely doubt however that he qualifies as a "moron". Just my take on him.
If a person is going to do something specifically because ANYTHING told them to do something from INSIDE their head, they should ask themselves, "am I f*cking crazy?". Because that`s what you call a person who needs to be sent to the loony bin.
It doesn`t matter WHO you think is telling you to do something. If it`s coming from inside your head, think again. Also, people can mistake their crazy minds with god telling them to do something like KILL. Now, if you think god is going to ask you to kill your children... and you don`t think it`s wrong... then your CRAZY and F*CKED UP.
"It is the doc who does the work, but through the grace and help of God, we have nothing to fear in something going wrong."
What about those people who claim to hear the voice of God telling them to murder their children in a bath tub? Surely you know this is morally wrong, but how do you explain it? By what criteria are you distinguishing between real guidance from God and false guidance? Can you provide a non-circular argument for it?
What did my post say? I`ll remind you and provide you the opportunity to not read my post again:
"It`s not the picture so much as the original notion behind it, namely that God... is guiding the hands of surgeons..."
I specifically said `guided`. I made no claims of humans being morons, when in fact I accept the opposite.
"Don`t you hope you do well during a test or for a loved one to get well?"
Hoping and praying are not the same in the sense of intention: I can hope without necessarily directing those hopes to a deity. However, the net effect is the same, because I believe there is no God to whom those hopes in a prayer can be directed.
No, I am not a moron. I realize this is just plain unsubstantiated name-calling but I like calling it out for what it is. What are you going to do, call me another name?
As for being biased, however, you are absolutely right. I am certainly inclined to think that there is no God versus there being one. This is *not* to say that I cannot be convinced otherwise. People like to say I`m narrow-minded in my ways, but in actuality I am very willing and eager to have my mind changed - just don`t expect to do it with any hand-drawn picture of Jesus, and especially not one implying our science has any other origins but in the seat of the brightest, greatest minds of humanity.
Actually, from where i stand, he understands completely. Leaving our fates up to Christ and God are completely understandable... and biblically correct. Our actions, on the other hand are completely our own. The whole, "The Devil made me do it" or "Jesus take the wheel" arguments are just people trying to pass the blame or give credit where it`s not due.
And about the post, he really needs a cap to keep his hair out of the way.
He`s not the only one who made the connection, not at all; he just worded it the most eloquently.
i think you mean "disconcerting".
The execution is creepy and a little concerning.
Surgeon: "Sure thing, bro."
Jesus Christ: "Yes, My child?"
Although, technically, he is God`s son, he still is over two millenia old.
lol, nice one davymid
FLAME SHIELD, ACTIVATE!"
OMFG, you just totally disrespected Jesus! FLAME WAAAAAR/1!!!1!1!111!1!!!!!!1!
I thought it was Yeshua... or are those similar/the same?
FLAME SHIELD, ACTIVATE!
So much wrong.. including that receding hairline that makes him look like a trucker criminal.
That`s what medical school is for, dammit!
"boop.. boop.. boop.. boop.. booooooooooooooooooooooooo....."