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I`m so sorry. :(
your so old, i could live my life twice and not be as old as you!
Then we could do something constructive like ride dinosaurs, because I think that extinction should be reversable by global cooperation.
I`m not really sure what my point was, no.
Can I see???????
*takes wallet out* On the contrary..."
High socks and a pair of heart boxers? A picture of a man, sure, but in high socks and a pair of heart boxers?
No, no! They are the embodiment of the heteropatriarchal oppression of wimmin!
Oh, wait. They are just beer cans.
PsychGeek did, way back, make a genuine point in passing about the effect of images in the media on self-esteem. But it was so swamped in the burble about the (actually non-existent) objectification that it was lost.
Buzzwords often undermine any argument when anyone who gives it some thought can see that they`re bull.
Looking at an image of someone with some sexual content is nowhere near the same as thinking of everyone who happens to be of the same sex as that person as being objects, literally dehumanising them. Worse, actually - placing them beneath all animals, beneath all *plants*.
It`s buzzword bullpoo for dishonest and deceitful politics used to promote irrational prejudice.
That`s what I`m arguing against.
I mentally high 5 you for that xD
Also, I can`t believe this flame war is still going!
@alpha8te - I don`t know why but I kept picturing Dwight Schrute reading your post out loud. 0.o
*takes wallet out* On the contrary...
Guys like seeing women. Especially sexy women. That`s a fact. It`s true in all animals. Humans are no different.
Create a reference to a sexy woman on a beer can, it`ll draw the target audience (men, obviously) to the can.
Hey, it`s funny. Let`s just enjoy that for what it is, a clever idea from some ad-exec trying to boost his sales.
BTW... F*cking spammer. Definitely the wrong place for that.
Where`s the Banhammer when you need it?
All I can say is stupid jackass... " -Skeezer1991, 7:14 PM
He said "see it works both ways...", meaning he was using what you quoted as an example of how claiming to know everything because you study in a field is inherently annoying. I suppose you were too busy thinking of a clever way to insult him (Jackass? That`s what you came up with?) to actually read his entire comment.
"Yeah I`m pretty sure that I can instantly know who you are since I have a psych degree" - xavroche, 7:05PM
All I can say is stupid jackass...
I`m also tired of this, it`s a pointless argument with a person i will never meet in real life. go have a beer and enjoy the rest of your night :)
Yet again you don`t really address any of the points I make.
Anyway I`m getting tired of this. It would have been easier if we could have all just enjoyed a cool idea for a beer can. Instead of some people getting their panties in a twist over very little...
get off your high horse.
In fact saying that "ads objectify women" is completely meaningless. I think what you are trying to say is that certain ads portray women in a way that makes the average male viewer objectify the woman/women in the ad. But even then what does objectify really mean and what are the implications of men dehumanizing the women in ads? Yes I know that these exist, namely Susan Fiske`s recent study. But even her conclusions do not attack the ad industry in a way remotely like you do...
and yes, actually, there IS general consensus that there is objectification of women in advertising, and if you KNOW i`m wrong then please give me the proof that says so.
my views are not radical/extreme, but are mere fact: there is objectification of women/men in the media. if you think i`m wrong, i do believe you`re mistaken. yet AGAIN, i will reference the film "Killing Me Softly". at least read summaries of it, if you can`t see the actual film.
However, this discussion died a little while ago, and frankly i`m tired of it.
I love that after the huge blurbs that I`ve written all you find to say is a reprint of something that I wrote you.Anyway you may be studying psych, but you write as if you have the backing of the whole field which just isn`t the case. There is no general consensus in the field of psychology supporting your rather extreme views.Your views are your personal opinion, which is fine, but what isn`t fine is that you use what you perceive as your superior knowledge in a field to defend those opinions in a very narrow way. A lot of your argument comes down to: trust me, I`m a psych major. Which is extremely faulty logic.
I see objectification of women in...um...women. I wish more females would actually have a little respect for themselves. Kudos to the *real* women out there.
I actually created an account just so I could respond to this rediculous thread. I couldn`t agree with Shellie more!! I think that taking an ad like this so seriously creates more problems than the ad itself.
Can`t we all just take it easy and enjoy the site?
I said that only to give a little credence to what I was saying--I`m not some crazy person spouting off at the mouth, I have knowledge about the subject. I was not bragging, only pointing out that I do know what I`m talking about.
I think one of the things that bothers me in the way that you write is that you seem to believe that studying in a field gives you a right to be extremely condescending to others and exremely immutable in your rhetoric.
Yaaay I`m objectifying buildings!
while I see your point, I frankly don`t think this discussion is pointless. I see it as discussion. I am not angry, I am not a raving lunatic, and I am not going to go to bed with this on my mind. I do have a life, you know. However, for the time being, this entertains me and I wanted to express my opinion about it.
I frankly don`t give a rat`s behind if no other woman on here rants about it. I will say what I want to say, no matter who agrees or disagrees. At the end of the day, I know none of this matters. But who cares? It`s still discussion.
You`re right, I see an object in this picture. the only difference is that I don`t AGREE with the portrayal of women in this ad, and I have seen countless others like it.
I do NOT see women as objects, so get that straight right now. I DO see objectification of women in advertisements, and, in my opinion, this is another example.
Please stop twisting my words around. thanks.
Over a dozen women have already replied in this topic, do you see them all ranting on about it?Everyone knows you are right, however, most of us do not like pointless discussions like this (that`s why you have so many people against you). Don`t get so worked up about these things, just laugh at them and go do something else, you`ll feel better that way.
btw, this is my first post (i think). yay!
"every single man on here is a sexist jerk who views women as objects! All men are sexist, amoral pigs!""
Only if you were raving, which you clearly aren`t. That would be far too crude and therefore counter-productive. Your far more subtle talk about men treating women as objects, about patriarchy, etc, is far more effective at promoting sexism.
"I don`t at all view women as objects, I don`t know how you got that from my comments. I think ADVERTISEMENTS portray women as objects"
Only to people who see it as such.
If I see a picture of a woman in a sexual context, I see a picture of a woman in a sexual context. You see an object. If you didn`t, you wouldn`t be saying that`s what`s in the picture.
Ideals of beauty existed long before advertisements, and the fact of the matter is it is within human nature to view one thing as beautiful and one as not. Obviously we are not born with these preconceived ideas but what I`m trying to say is that maybe it is our ideals that create these ads and not these ads that create our ideals.
I think that women`s rights still have a long way to go even in the more economically developped countries of the world, but there are more important battles to be fought than over a can of beer which frankly I find more clever than anything else.
I think that in the end the gender problems that do exist in our society come from a myriad of factors, and I think that trying to blame ads like this specifically or even saying that ads like this have a real impact is pushing it a bit.
I think that this ad is more innocent than you build it up to be, and though I believe that some ads do cross the line, I think that it is dangerous to start reading too much into everything like you are doing. Once you start going down that road you end up removing freedom of speech and expression for
And "Stop judging how I word my comments"?I`m not really sure how else to judge what you are saying...
"every single man on here is a sexist jerk who views women as objects! All men are sexist, amoral pigs!"
but no, that`s not at all what I said. I only called one guy sexist, because his comment was indeed very sexist.
I don`t at all view women as objects, I don`t know how you got that from my comments. I think ADVERTISEMENTS portray women as objects, and becasue of that many men are adopting sexist ATTITUDES toward women.
Will you PLEASE read my comments before you try to make yourself sound smart?? thanks! :)
"This ad makes a woman look like an object to be used and then thrown away, not like a person."
If that`s how you see it, that`s your problem. Personally, I think you`re talking rubbish.
"Before you make judgments on the words I use in my comments, do your research."
Done already, thank you. I am much more familiar with feminism than I`d like to be. I know a bit about the use of propaganda, too, and there`s a lot of that in feminism.
Like pretty much everything else regarding feminism, I think this is projection. You view women as objects (you say that yourself) and you project that view onto everyone. But you`re wrong to do so.
I didn`t use anything like Wikipedia or random Google answers for my paper, they were all from credited, peer-reviewed journals.
sorry for the lack of linkable evidence!! :(
I was just going to ask whether or not this effect was ever proved from sexual advertising, so you read my mind there. Do you have any linkable sources to these studies? I`ll try google-ing it.
Stop judging how I word my comments, kthx.
You`re original comment, then, is misleading. It suggests you feel women are disproportionately objectified:
"yet another way in which women are objectified".
Perhaps if you had re-thought your comment, you would not have received such a response!
There are a ton of studies looking at the messages in advertisements, and a lot of them show that men who look at a large number of sexual advertisements tend to take a patriarchal, objective view of women, even if they hadn`t done so before.
I`m female, and I think it`s pretty funny.You`re reading in to it too much. It`s just supposed to be funny, not a metaphor. Take a chill pill. I do get you point though. I just don`t agree with it /completely/.
I can hold my own, I was never one to back down from a fight. :)
Much like men, there are some women who are extraverted and some that are introverted. Some women like attention, some don`t. Also, people have moods. Sometimes an individual is in a look at me mood, sometimes they`re more retiring. If you employed a wee bit of cognition before posting, you may not come across as so daft. Secondarily, much like women, there are some men that are not daft, and some that are. You seem to lean towards the latter.
Aaaand in this corner, being represented by a group of men, is.. a group of men!
LET`S GET READY TO RUUUUMBLLLEEEEEEE!
DING DING DING.
I`m not saying one sex is objectified more than the other. what i`m saying is that it DOES exist, and men who say things like "women like attention, the only ones who complain are the ones who nobody pays attention to" are nothing but self-absorbed, macho jerks who are nothing special themselves.
You are a sexist ass--it`s men like you who give men everywhere a bad name. I am an attractive woman but I do not like the attention I get because of it. If you think all attractive women like attention, you are SADLY mistaken.
Conversely, if you think the only women who complain are unattractive, you are ALSO SADLY mistaken. There is no denying that women (and men) are used and objectified in the media, and for you to sit there on your pompous ass and say "all women like attention" is just wrong and patriarchal.
This method hasn`t failed me yet._____________________________
Well, it`s failed you now. I know exactly what I`m talking about, thank you very much. It`s these types of advertisements that perpetuate the existence of eating disorders in young women (and in young men, might I add). This ad makes a woman look like an object to be used and then thrown away, not like a person.
Before you make judgments on the words I use in my comments, do your research. I again will recommend "Killing Us Softly", it`s a great film about the objectification of women in advertising.
But that`s not a lady... it`s a trap!
This method hasn`t failed me yet.
::pokes and tastes::
... it`s win.
Oh.. you mean like vagina. >_> I`m from a city with that name.