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  1. Profile photo of Mornaf
    Mornaf Male 18-29
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    October 24, 2009 at 5:42 pm
    Link: God Is Not The Creator - Textual analysis suggests a different bibl.ical story than what we are accustomed to hearing
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    kairobert Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 9:14 am
    So they were wrong according to both themselves and common reason?
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    akabane Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 9:15 am
    wow, blaspheme much?
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    MountainBord Female 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 9:17 am
    that makes more sence
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 9:17 am
    :D silly christians. Now their world will be turned on its head. I`m going to rub it in their enraged little faces!
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    Evil_Eye Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 9:18 am
    There is umptenth different translation views of the Bible. I think they find a new one every month.
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    Animecha Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 9:18 am
    Blaphemy? Lol this is nothing.

    God is dead, Jesus is a liar, and the holy spirit is wine the catholic church gives to children before they rape them.

    Now THATS blasphemy.

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    heartx3jess Female 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 9:19 am
    interesting
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    spartanman Male 13-17
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    October 25, 2009 at 9:22 am
    Holy Bajeeses!! this forum is going to have a field day of arguments. I predicted it guys...
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    StarDagger Male 40-49
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    October 25, 2009 at 9:22 am
    There is a larger issue, whether "Holy Texts" have any validity at all!!

    The Truth is, I am sure, much stranger than some white guy with a beard snapping his fingers to the tune of his sub angels and creating the universe.

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    Discobiscuit Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 9:23 am
    Kind of interesting. I don`t really care about the details, for me, it`s just comforting to believe in something.
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    last_ninja Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 9:29 am
    that doesn`t make any sense how "god created the heavens and earth" was supposed to read "god found a cool planet and was all like let`s chill here, imma make some animals an` crap"
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    October 25, 2009 at 9:30 am
    LOL!
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 9:35 am
    I already knew this stuff.
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    Matwix_2004 Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 9:44 am
    Interesting, but I`m still no believer.
    No matter how much I`d want to believe in this kind of stuff; heaven, hell, God, etc, I just can`t.
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    Pyrosisflame Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 9:46 am
    wow that totally made me not care less about religion then already
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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    October 25, 2009 at 9:51 am
    This just makes me laugh!

    It seems more like a case of "Lets change the creation mythology because it dosnt fit with the acctual facts and physical evidence".

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    npdarren Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 9:52 am
    Now I`m sure, if any religious people accept this idea, that they`ll say "Oh of course, that`s why we have fossils `n sh*t, because the Earth was already here." and just continue to find ways to fit their beliefs into what has been scientifically proven...
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    shunpo_31 Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 9:58 am
    this isn`t new. anyone who`s studied the original hebrew knows this stuff. lame.
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    Spambot3000 Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 10:22 am
    The first thing Tak did, he wrote himself.

    The second thing Tak did, he wrote the Laws.

    The third thing Tak did, he wrote the World.

    The fourth thing Tak did, he wrote a cave.

    The fifth thing Tak did, he wrote a geode, an egg of stone.

    And in the twilight of the mouth of the cave, the geode hatched, and the Brothers were born.

    The first Brother walked toward the light, and stood under the open sky. Thus he became too tall. He was the first Man. He found no Laws and he was enlightened.

    The second Brother walked toward the darkness, and stood under a roof of stone. Thus he achieved the correct height. He was the first Dwarf. He found the Laws Tak had written, and he was endarkened.

    But some of the living sprit of Tak was trapped in broken stone egg, and it became the first Troll, wandering the world unbidden and unwanted, without soul or purpose, learning or understanding. fearful of light and darkness it shambles forever in twilight, knowing nothing, learning nothing, cr

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    BABY_BEAR Female 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 10:25 am
    Good for her, but it wont make a blind bit of difference.
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    MetalicDemon Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 10:32 am
    lol, its funny to see religeous and scientific people arguing all the time
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    AkaHikage Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 10:40 am
    What drives me crazy is that there are people who so firmly believe that the Earth is only 6000 years old...Despite existing proof.
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    Slade8 Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 10:41 am
    God isn`t real, so why should I care about this?
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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 10:46 am
    "who believes the Bible has been wrongly translated for thousands of years."

    You don`t say... (O_O)

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    Moenkie Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 11:02 am
    Her "finds" make no sense.

    "She said technically "bara" does mean "create" but added: "Something was wrong with the verb.

    "God was the subject (God created), followed by two or more objects. Why did God not create just one thing or animal, but always more?"

    She concluded that God did not create, he separated: the Earth from the Heaven, the land from the sea, the sea monsters from the birds and the swarming at the ground."

    I mean srsly, what? It`s being explained right there, but the explanation makes no sense.

    Also, sea monsters lolwut?

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    krackfishy3 Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 11:02 am
    Can we just go ahead and put a ban on religious posts? They make my days worse... It`ll take fancylad to cheer me up now!
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    Moenkie Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 11:03 am
    Moenkie created the shaved soap sculpture and the dookie in the toilet

    look i can create two things at once but god sure can`t hurrr

    Every side of these arguments piss me off...

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    CaaBaaRaa Female 13-17
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    October 25, 2009 at 11:14 am
    That`s really interesting, I find it fascinating how nobody really understands the language, with different interpretations of words and stuff. It`d be weird if it happened to English in the future.
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    MonoBrow Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 11:15 am
    This is slightly more believable... but the notion of `God` still bogus.
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    seabass101dg Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 11:16 am
    nobody cares.
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    ScottSerious Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 11:17 am
    oh wait, i dont care. ta-da
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    caboose117 Male 13-17
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    October 25, 2009 at 11:41 am
    People trying to disprove her, I must say, are a little arrogant. I mean think about it, she spends her entire life on this stuff, you really think you know better? I`ll leave it to the experts and believe what I want.
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    Antonin Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 11:43 am
    Genesis 1:2 (New International Version) - "Now the Earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters."

    I`m reading a bible right here that never claims that God created this planet. It was originally a lifeless water planet.

    Soooo, I guess that makes that scholar`s discovery pretty insignificant if one can simply read that all God really did was start life on earth IN THE BIBLE lol.

  35. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 11:57 am
    No--it was a formless WASTE. Think about it. It was neither water, nor earth--nor heaven. It was almost like a unity of forces in a sense. Which is curious--because scientist are currently have a hypothesis that the universe was superimposed between all forces of nature. I say it is a hypothesis because it is currently untestable--unless we could study a blackhole indepth at the singularity level. Maybe CERN will discern such a thing by revealing primordial particles--but I`m digressing so hard.

    Just realize that the bible is a story--not factual. Science is a far more reliable authority on the matters of the universe, and perhaps morality is better settled in the realm of strong humanism with philosophy to sate one`s intellectual capacities--rather than put up iron curtains for our understanding to evade in order to protect our egos fragility.

    So, go read a few things. This is interesting I`d say, but it doesn`t change anything. No one is outraged because

  36. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 11:58 am
    no on really cares about their religion anymore--they just care about themselves ultimately, and use religion to bend their conscience in all sorts of cognitive leaps and bounds. This doesn`t change their understanding at all. Interesting though.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 11:58 am
    one*
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    boredfjord Male 13-17
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    October 25, 2009 at 12:05 pm
    "People trying to disprove her, I must say, are a little arrogant. I mean think about it, she spends her entire life on this stuff, you really think you know better? I`ll leave it to the experts and believe what I want."

    Really weak argument. People spend their entire lives on all sorts of things. That doesn`t make them infallible authorities on the subject. High-ranking Scientologists spend their whole lives on Scientology. Does that mean that reasonable people who haven`t spent any time on Scientology don`t know better? Of course not.

    In any case, debating how God created the earth is like debating the average wingspan of fairies. We don`t have any evidence that the being even exists, much less information about the details.

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    nonamewillfi Male 13-17
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    October 25, 2009 at 12:06 pm
    id like to read her thesis
  40. Profile photo of Mornaf
    Mornaf Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 12:20 pm
    Also, sea monsters lolwut?

    well, while you`re believing mythology, Beowulf killed them all.

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    TopperHey Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 12:26 pm
    Yeah, it doesn`t matter. Catholicism doesn`t care about these things. It`s all about the estabilshment for them rather than having a point or truth.

    BTW, another rumoured mistranslation: The commandment is more "thou shalt not murder" than "thou shalt not kill".

    AND ENOUGH WITH THE RELIGIOUS POSTS! I WANT TO SEE DOGS RIDING UNICYCLES!!!

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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    October 25, 2009 at 12:30 pm
    This is a job for mythbusters!
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    Spambot3000 Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 12:38 pm
    "AND ENOUGH WITH THE RELIGIOUS POSTS! I WANT TO SEE DOGS RIDING UNICYCLES!!!"

    I`ll second that

  44. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 12:52 pm
    How is that a weak argument? So you are telling me a lay person has a deeper understanding than a person who devotes their entire career focus on it?

    Seriously? I mean, you are merely saying it is weak, but you haven`t proven it really is weak.

    I don`t know that much about Scientology, and someone who is more knowledgeable of it could tell me WAY more about how it is supposed to be interpreted then I could.

    It is up to me to decide whether or not that I believe what is said is true--not that their definition is false, but what it is postulating or saying.

    No one here can really deny that validity of this. It`s obvious that it has been researched thoroughly enough to come to this conclusion. Other translations have found this same error.

    You can accept it or not, but this is the REAL translation.

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    ohthedrama Male 30-39
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    October 25, 2009 at 1:22 pm
    "Yeah, it doesn`t matter. Catholicism doesn`t care about these things. It`s all about the estabilshment for them rather than having a point or truth."

    You can go ahead and believe that, I can prove it wrong with about 80% of the Catholic population. As for the article the idea that things have been misinterpreted is not new. The Hebrew Language is far far richer than English and what the Jews may have been trying to illustrate could very well have been glossed over through history. The problem emerges when you are trying to ascertain "exactly" what the author`s point was. Ex nilio vs already there in a sense limits the powers of God. Something that is contradicted in Exodus. Again, what was the true meaning of Genesis? Gotta look at all of it.

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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    October 25, 2009 at 1:24 pm
    "People trying to disprove her, I must say, are a little arrogant. I mean think about it, she spends her entire life on this stuff, you really think you know better? I`ll leave it to the experts and believe what I want."

    There are two glaring flaws in her argument that do not need years of study to understand.

    i) Her premise that the Judeo-Christian creation story has had one word mistranslated for years in all translations is simply wrong. There are translations which state or imply that the creation stories(*) in the Torah/OT are about God transforming the earth, not creating it.

    ii) Using creation stories from other religions to correct the Judeo-Christian one is theologically flawed - from a Judeo-Christian point of view, other religions can`t be more correct than Judaism/Christianity.

    * Plural intended - the OT contains two different creation stories, which is wierdly overlooked.

  47. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 1:29 pm
    I think this is pretty cool actually.

    I love different biblical translations.

    Although I think those saying the argument is weak have a point, doesn`t she say herself that the word does literally mean create, but the fact that it is consistently followed by two nouns suggests it could be separated instead?

    An argument that "this is the correct interpretation", is not that strong, although, I`m sure her research goes into further detail.

  48. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 1:30 pm
    .... If I wasn`t posting second, I`d say Angillion is purposely agreeing with me on random topics to freak me out...
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    RecycleElf Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 1:37 pm
    fatninja01 made my day
  50. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    October 25, 2009 at 1:41 pm
    "That`s really interesting, I find it fascinating how nobody really understands the language, with different interpretations of words and stuff. It`d be weird if it happened to English in the future."

    It happens with English in the present (and has happened in the past). It often happens with translation between languages, especially languages that are very different and come from different cultures. The best known example in modern times is translating between Japanese and English.

    It`s made worse when translating millenia-old Hebrew from a culture long dead into modern English (or any other language) and all the more so since vowels are left out in written Hebrew. As a result, many of the words could any one of several words, depending on which vowel(s) were meant to be there. That obviously leaves a huge leeway for interpretation.

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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    October 25, 2009 at 1:42 pm
    ".... If I wasn`t posting second, I`d say Angillion is purposely agreeing with me on random topics to freak me out... "

    I invented a time machine and I`m using it just to freak you out! Muahahahaha!

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    tp1212 Male 13-17
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    October 25, 2009 at 2:30 pm
    I was wondering when this would pop up here...
    And look, another IAB religious debate, right on time.
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    Negative_One Male 30-39
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    October 25, 2009 at 2:53 pm
    Still a crock pot full of make believe.
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    wrexsoull Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 3:53 pm
    I could actually believe this. Everyone always takes the bible so literally, but they forget that it has been translated multiple times by humans (capable of mistakes)from Hebrew, to Latin, to German, to English. I am open to hearing different interpretations of the bible because I know there are translational errors in it.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 4:08 pm
    As to the argument of "Bible vs. feces, which is more useful?", I should point out that as most bibles are made of paper, it will take a few months for them to biodegrade into something worth anything, unlike feces, which can be used as a beneficial fertilizer strait away. Alternatively, the bible can be recycled into paper, although this process is costly and redundant, it is a plus.

    Finally both articles can be burned as a source of energy. Although the bible smells just as bad as the feces, its evil maniacal content increases its combustion efficiency, placing it in the lead, for the moment.

  56. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    October 25, 2009 at 4:14 pm
    "I could actually believe this. Everyone always takes the bible so literally, but they forget that it has been translated multiple times by humans (capable of mistakes)from Hebrew, to Latin, to German, to English. I am open to hearing different interpretations of the bible because I know there are translational errors in it."

    It was also spoken long before it was written, so there`s more scope for mistakes there. The new testament was selected from a far larger number of Christian writings and the selection was done by a council of church leaders more than 3 centuries later - lots of scope for mistakes there.

    Even if the original was the truth (which is purely a matter of faith) and that everyone involved in making the current versions was trying to be as accurate as possible (which is proven to be untrue - they were modified for political reasons), there is still a huge scope for errors.

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    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 4:26 pm
    "If I wasn`t posting second, I`d say Angillion is purposely agreeing with me on random topics to freak me out"

    Why can`t wee be frieeends!

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    pmarren Male 40-49
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    October 25, 2009 at 6:35 pm
    Again, it`s just all so silly.
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    Dfaulted Male 13-17
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    October 25, 2009 at 6:52 pm
    That is the bigest problem...the bible was not translated right
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    Geogypsy Female 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 7:48 pm
    The Hebrew Midrash says that there are seventy faces to the Torah...this means that there are 70 ways to interpret every facet. Jews having been doing it for thousands of years already.
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    xxPinkxx Female 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 8:11 pm
    well i thought it was interesting.
  62. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    October 25, 2009 at 8:50 pm
    "That is the bigest problem...the bible was not translated right"

    I think that`s only one of the major problems and I think it goes deeper than that. I`d say that the Christian bible *can`t* be translated completely accurately. Not without time travel, anyway, and even then the explanatory notes required to put the translation into the correct cultural contexts might be longer than the text itself. For example, we`re no longer considering how to overthrow older religions in which ritual sex occurs in temples - that`s a crucial context for most of the alleged prohibitions on homosexuality.

    Even with the much more recent new testament, there are simple translation issues even without context. For example, Paul uses the word arsenokoitai (transliterated Greek). What does it mean? No-one knows. It appears very rarely and is never defined. It`s usually translated as "homosexual men", but that`s just forcing the text to fit a preconceived idea.

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    kangoala Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 8:51 pm
    I knew it! Aliens!!!!!
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    mehh Female 18-29
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    October 25, 2009 at 11:00 pm
    "That is the bigest problem...the bible was not translated right"

    The biggest problem with the Bible is people keep putting it in the non-fiction section

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    Max_Normal Male 30-39
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    October 26, 2009 at 3:09 am
    Obadiah, his servants. There shall, in that time, be rumours of things going astray, erm, and there shall be a great confusion as to where things really are, and nobody will really know where lieth those little things wi-- with the sort of raffia work base that has an attachment. At this time, a friend shall lose his friend`s hammer and the young shall not know where lieth the things possessed by their fathers that their fathers put there only just the night before, about eight o`clock. Yea, it is written in the book of Cyril that, in that time, shall the third one...
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    lukas1051 Male 18-29
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    October 26, 2009 at 3:11 am
    Here`s my theory. God created nothing.
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    joey7415963 Male 18-29
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    October 26, 2009 at 3:49 am
    Who even cares, it`s all just speculation, truth is no one can prove or disprove God`s existance or the fundamental foundations of science, so instead of worrying about what other people beleive, beleive what you want.

    I think science has much better time spent researching in other areas rather than worrying about what people beleive.

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    Megido Male 18-29
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    October 26, 2009 at 4:02 am
    Well since any good christian KNOWS that the bible is infallible and 100% true this just can`t be right.
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    joey7415963 Male 18-29
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    October 26, 2009 at 4:19 am
    @ Megido: You really don`t help the Christian image, I`m a Christian and I don`t feel the need to tell every one that my faith (because that`s what it is a FAITH!) is any better than someone elses.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    October 26, 2009 at 4:42 am
    joey: I`m pretty sure it was sarcasm from Megido.

    Prof Van Wolde added: "The traditional view of God the Creator is untenable now."

    What do you mean, "now"?

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    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
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    October 26, 2009 at 5:48 am
    "According to them there used to be an enormous body of water in which monsters were living, covered in darkness, she said."
    LOVECRAFT WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG
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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    October 26, 2009 at 6:31 am
    Split hairs that ultimately lead nowhere. Next?
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    Phosphoreign Male 30-39
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    October 26, 2009 at 7:58 am
    good call, herr ubermeister...
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    screwzlooose Male 30-39
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    October 26, 2009 at 8:15 am
    there`s no story, just comments for me.. anyone else have this problem?
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    Subushie Male 18-29
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    October 26, 2009 at 8:38 am
    im not gonna even look at the comments, but i can already assume there are like 17 pages of religious fanatics and atheists flaming it out. good job on another successful flame war IAB.
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    Zerocyde Male 18-29
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    October 26, 2009 at 9:38 am
    Interesting idea, but religion is all about "BIBLE = FACT REMOVE EVEN 1 `THE` AND YOU`RE A dratING HEATHEN" and the non-religious already don`t care so I don`t really know who this info is meant for.
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    GRadde Male 18-29
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    October 26, 2009 at 10:18 am
    >Max

    YEAY! A Monthy Python quote! Love it, and this article being about petty religious details, this is with one of the best timed quotes I have ever seen!

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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    October 26, 2009 at 12:15 pm
    "Who even cares, it`s all just speculation, truth is no one can prove or disprove God`s existance or the fundamental foundations of science, so instead of worrying about what other people beleive, beleive what you want."

    Most of the modern world rests on the fundamental foundations of science. It is proven to be a reliable thing, one that we all trust our lives to all the time without thinking about it.

    Putting it on a par with religion is ridiculous.

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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 12:47 am
    zerocyde:
    1) I`m fairly sure Hinduism, for one, isn`t all about "The bible is 100% fact".
    2) Even Christianity, is not all about "The Bible is 100% fact".
    3) This doesn`t dispute that the Bible is fact.
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    analyst Male 50-59
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    November 16, 2009 at 1:00 pm
    Its interesting that no statements from the Bible have been proven false, errant interpretations perhaps, yet this goes on while science revises its own misunderstandings almost daily.

    Sure, self-cleaning and custodial efforts may seem a noble attribute and a mark of some purity in science, but pales when we just compare the records of ID and evolution.

    The sciences of anthropology, astronomy and geology are ever proving the ancient Biblical record. The path of scientific revolution today: These disciplines first ridiculed, then adjust in moderation, then retreat from comment, and then reluctantly, confirm the Biblical record.

    If God didn`t create everything then logic can only submit it hasn`t been created and we then must believe it just exists by some scientific version of faith. The conundrum-dilemma is that while we as creation eternally speculate and revise, only God can assert and prove things were not created.

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    analyst Male 50-59
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    November 16, 2009 at 1:12 pm
    The problem with those grasping at a Biblical "translation error" concept is that they are unable to produce any. And when they believe they do, they point at misinterpretations as proof, not translations. Now, if we can understand they are interpretations, then there can be no delusion. So, I challenge anyone to produce errors in translations that matter.
    Here`s your chance to move out of the sandbox of pseudo-intellectual tantrums and your fits of slander into a coherent debate.
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    elphienotfae Female 13-17
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    December 31, 2009 at 10:07 pm
    When is Baalthazaq not commenting (arguing) on something religous? Every time something has to do with religon, he`s making the first comment I see!

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