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  1. Profile photo of Fancys_Asst
    Fancys_Asst Female 18-29
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    October 26, 2009 at 5:14 pm
    Link: Gays Find Yet Another Loophole in the Bible - Take that, conservative right-wing Christians!
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    Dagaz20 Female 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 6:06 am
    lol
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    RecycleElf Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 6:07 am
    touche =P
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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 6:08 am
    There is that whole Jesus-said-nothing-about-gays argument, too.
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    raikun12 Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 6:17 am
    lol. the bible is full of fail
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    NoArms5534 Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 6:17 am
    Wow, it`s fun to take things out of context! Weeeee!
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    angel3283 Female 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 6:19 am
    If the dude had read the surrounding passages, he`d know the "no haircuts" thing is only if you`re taking the Nazirite vow, like Samson and John the Baptist.
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    ohthedrama Male 30-39
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    October 27, 2009 at 6:33 am
    Biblical Exegesis. Getting you a behind the scenes look at the Bible. Teaching you "why" things are the way they are.

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    ohthedrama Male 30-39
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    October 27, 2009 at 6:36 am
    @Overmann: There is that whole Jesus-said-nothing-about-gays argument, too.

    Christ doesn`t have to say anything about it. It`s actually quite clear. Sexual attraction towards someone of the same sex is not natural. There is nothing wrong in actually having "love" for someone of the same sex but once you start having "sexual" feelings we cross into terrority that goes against nature. A dick in the ass doesn`t make a kid, it just makes two guys moan.

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    tp1212 Male 13-17
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    October 27, 2009 at 6:43 am
    ohthedrama, define "natural" for me there.
    Because sexual attraction to someone of the same sex does fit in my definition of natural.
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    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    October 27, 2009 at 6:43 am
    These guys took the vow!!!


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    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    October 27, 2009 at 6:44 am
    I`m putting on my flame resistant suit now and waiting for the war!!!
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    littlepete50 Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 6:48 am
    If everyone followed the example of Durkheim, we`d all be fine.
    ....if it makes society stronger, leave it the hell alone!
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    kinpower Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 6:55 am
    ohthedrama: Sexual relations with someone of the same sex is completely natural, it exists in nature, aniamls do it
  15. Profile photo of cobrakiller
    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 6:59 am
    so leviticus looked like a hippie but talked like jerry falwell?
  16. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 7:04 am
    See here`s the thing.

    Overmann says: There is that whole Jesus-said-nothing-about-gays argument, too.

    Ohthedrama says: Christ doesn`t have to say anything about it. It`s actually quite clear.

    1) No it isn`t "quite clear" at all.
    2) Various churches have declared homosexuality the only irredeemable sin, something not even reserved for the ten commandments, even though homosexuality is mentioned about as often (and in the same section) as not eating shellfish.
    3) All those "OT laws" were done away with when Christ came, (why not homosexuality along with them?).

    So far Overmann`s point thrashes Ohthedrama`s point all to hell.

    However, where we differ, is this:

    4) Doesn`t this show that the problem is retards, and not religion? People using religion to say something they want it to say, irrespective of what it does say.

    and

    5) Why do people think that if we got rid of religion, those jackasses would go away?

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    hrlhrl2000 Male 30-39
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    October 27, 2009 at 7:05 am
    If attraction to members of the same gender occurs naturally (and yes, people are born gay) then nothing related to it is an unnatural act.
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    hrlhrl2000 Male 30-39
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    October 27, 2009 at 7:06 am
    tptp12
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    REBELComx Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 7:16 am
    Lets see, as per Leviticus: No shellfish, no pork, no shaving (that goes for your legs too, ladies), no cutting the hair around your temples, no tattoos, no wearing one piece of clothing made of two different fabrics. You can`t approach the temple altar if you are sick, losing your eyesight or hearing, missing a limb, in any way deformed (including scars of any kind). Stone to death disobedient children, women are property and are subordinate to men in all things, you can have slaves from other countries (as long as you treat them well), sell you`re own child into slavery, a virgin`s rapist must marry the girl and pay her father for his loss, polygamy is acceptable and expected.
    Yes, Leviticus is a paragon of modern day morality.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 7:23 am
    Incidentally, if you want to make the unnatural argument, you might want to be against things like.. the minor detail that you`re talking to someone a minimum of 2000KM using satellites, wires, electricity and cables to bend light into letters.
    That`s before you talk about where people put penises.


    Also, this.

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    swiftshiv Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 7:36 am
    so Baal (get it, crazy christian types, his name is almost that of an ancient deity of the area written of in the OT) you`re saying i can put my peeper in a sheep and be fine!?

    Just kidding.

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    CheeseMan1 Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 7:41 am
    I don`t get it - why would Christians even refer to the Old Testament at all, when they don`t believe in its teachings?
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    xavroche Male 30-39
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    October 27, 2009 at 8:01 am
    "I don`t get it - why would Christians even refer to the Old Testament at all, when they don`t believe in its teachings?"

    I`m not sure that you understand christianity...I`m going to make it simple: If Christians didn`t believe in the old testament, why would there even be an old testament in the Christian bible?????

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    Levyn Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 8:19 am
    I hate when "gays" is used. It sounds elitist. "Oh the GAAAAYS are doing blah blah"
    PS Animals out in nature right now are having homosexual realtionships. It`s what they do when NOT breeding. Stop being bound down by your bibles that the -Vatican rewrote- and realize homosexuality isn`t a big deal
  25. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 8:20 am
    Xavroche:

    What he`s referring to, is the idea of Jesus "doing away with the law of Moses". Basically if you agree with Paul`s teachings, you almost certainly agree with the concept of Mosaic law abrogation.

    Crudely put together, but this captures the sentiment: Link.

    Whilst there are various sects of Christianity that do not hold this view, (and the link only gives one example), the majority view amongst Christians is that abrogation does occur at least in part.

    Click here for the Wikipedia entry.

    Incidentally, this should also answer your question Cheese. The OT is not "Obsolete" it is merely looked at through the lens of the NT.

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    Subushie Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 8:20 am
    lol. the gays are funny. i have nothing against them in anyway, and i think that if they say they were born that way, then they probably were. who would purposely choose to be mocked and ridiculed there entire life?
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    Subushie Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 8:23 am
    and ohthedrama, please get out of here with your 53 posts, no one likes you.
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    McDLT Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 8:30 am
    All right, here goes:
    According to Christianity, when Jesus died all the old laws were abolished. The "laws" of the old testament no longer apply. This doesn`t mean that Christians can`t learn from the stories in the old testament. There is a reference to homosexuality in the New Testament, Romans 1:26-27

    "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."

    This was written by Paul after visiting Greece and seeing things like Bacchanals where orgies and "sexual depravity" ran wild in the streets. I really don`t think it condemns same-sex lifestyles, just "unnatural" sexual behavior.

  29. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 8:30 am
    *Reads Subushie`s comment*
    *Points at post count*

    Give the newbie a chance newbie. :P

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    Joolz200 Female 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 8:49 am
    I always love the comments on pics like this, it`s amazing how angry some people are
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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 8:49 am
    Not only is it a funny sign, but it`s a pretty one too. XD
  32. Profile photo of xavroche
    xavroche Male 30-39
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    October 27, 2009 at 8:52 am
    I`ve studied the Pauline epistles in a college, and I think that to generalize them to say that Christians do not believe in the teachings of the old testament is a complete misunderstanding of their nature and of the complex socio-political environment that existed between the death of Jesus and the Coucil of Nicaea.

    If you read the Epistles, there is never a rejection of the Old Testament but rather a redefiniton of it, for example when Paul talks about the Covenant in Romans and whether or not there is a necessity of circumcision within Christianity.

    Anyway I agree that many of the strict codes of the old testament were done away with or were eased under Jesus` teachings (Working on the Sabbath in Matthew 12) and subsequently through the Letters of Paul, but there was never a rejection of the teachings of the Old Testament. For example Christians still believe the 10 Commandments to be Sacrosanct.

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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 9:06 am
    didnt jesus say something like...i dont know..."love your neighbor as thyself" whichi i would take to mean love everyone. or it can mean to hate everyone if you really arent a big fan of yourself. anyway, just go across the hall to apartment 2B and give Darren (your likely homosexual neighbor)a big hug and if your feeling squirrely, maybe a diddle or two.
  34. Profile photo of xavroche
    xavroche Male 30-39
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    October 27, 2009 at 9:06 am
    "According to Christianity, when Jesus died all the old laws were abolished. The "laws" of the old testament no longer apply."

    This is an extremely heavily debatable issue. Though there is a very loose phrasing during the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew) that might be interpreted in this light, many more passages point to simply an augmentation of the pre-existing laws:

    "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."(Matthew 5:17)

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    KannaLilly Female 13-17
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    October 27, 2009 at 9:07 am
    Not a loophole. A contradiction.
    Still pretty smart.
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    sonikku Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 9:10 am
    Haha. The bible also says "You shall not kill." Does anyone give sh*t about that? Yes, I`m talking to you, Every American President in the History.
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    FlameOfUdun Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 9:11 am
    Wow. Way to take things outta context.
  38. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 9:25 am
    Close to what I was saying Xav, but does it really account for my questions in my first post in this thread?

    Homosexuality is being treated, especially by certain sects, as literally worse than any of the ten commandments.

    How does this make sense with any biblical interpretation?

    whilst I agree the specific example in the picture is an out of context summary, it is a poster. You can easily construct a consistent argument.

    why the pick and choosing, what gives the weighting, why can we ignore one law but not another, why those laws, etc.

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    Ossum Female 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 9:35 am
    Any side (pro or con) using the bible to support their side obviously missed the point of the entire book and should read it again.
  40. Profile photo of xavroche
    xavroche Male 30-39
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    October 27, 2009 at 9:37 am
    To be completely honest, I view relisgious texts from a purely academic/historical point of view.

    To quote the bible to attempt to influence our current society is akin to saying that because african americans were slaves 250 years ago they should be treated with contempt today.

    The fact of the matter is that the part of Leviticus or Romans that expresses homophobia is simply a reflection of the public opinion at the time and places these texts were written.

    People who quote these texts are simply trying to find some explanation and justification for their own homophobia.

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    xavroche Male 30-39
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    October 27, 2009 at 9:41 am
    I`ll also add that the bible, along with other religious texts, contain many positive messages and overriding archs that transcend time/culture.

    It`s sad that most bible thumpers can`t differentiate between these postive themes and specific culture related passages that our society can no longer relate to.

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    bettiewest23 Female 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 9:41 am
    Huh, I`m going to have to go dig up my Bible and read through that again, `cause I don`t remember that part...

    It is funny though, because wasn`t it just last week that some church put out a list of all the sins of various sports players, including one who had long hair, which was "against the Bible?"

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    startech Male 30-39
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    October 27, 2009 at 9:42 am
    Yes, the Bible does say to love everyone, but it doesn`t say that you have to agree with their choice of lifestyle. If your child does something wrong, you would discipline him and still love him, right? Homosexuality is a concious decision made based on a perverted sexual addiction. Sorry to say, but it`s the same mental process that creates pedophiles. If someone chooses to sexually abuse children because they say they were born that way, are we expected to tolerate it?
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    IKnowAGhost Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 9:48 am
    It`s not a loophole or a contradiction; "no hair cuts" was part of the old covenant man had with God which wasn`t working out too hot so Jesus needed to do his thing. @Baaltazaq, you are absolutely right that picking and choosing and discrimination the laws declared in the Bible is completely contradictory to pure, true Christian teaching. It`s unfortunate and disgusting that "all" (it`s pretty much all, right?) Christian churches still think that you can make friends by telling people how imperfect they are, tagging on "and you will burn for it, you stupid, stupid people." As a Christian myself, I am more embarrassed by this issue than any other by far. God says EVERYONE falls short of righteousness, but he also says EVERYONE is worthy of his prodigal grace and love. This is what the Christian church needs to be charged with demonstrating, because that`s what the god it worships REALLY says.
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    diegotx Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 9:53 am
    That guy is hot
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    panth753 Female 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 9:55 am
    I`m always disapointed in my fellow christains who do stupid sh*t like telling people what and what not to do. If someone is not Christian then they are not required to follow the Christian lifestyle.
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    murrymalty Female 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 10:03 am
    im sorry...i have to say...that is an ADORABLE sign
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    Genocyde Male 30-39
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    October 27, 2009 at 10:08 am
    As a conservative Christian, I`ll say this. I know I`m not a paragon of virtue and I won`t make homosexuality a moral issue because I`m not better than anyone.

    It`s more of a health issue than anything but, being that these are grown adults, I`m sure they`ve considered the risk of the activity in which they`re engaging. If you know the risks and you do it anyway that is your right to do it.

    I, however, also reserve the right to not be compelled by government to pay for the mistakes that were made for thinking with the wrong part of your body.

    Look, it`s really simple. If I smoke though I know the risks involved, should you have to pay for my hospital bills if I develop small cell carcinoma of the lung? Should you HAVE to pay for my long-term care? No, we live in a free society with rights protected by the Constitution.

    If you know the risks involved and you choose to do it anyway, then I`m willing to stay the hell out of it. Just don`t expect me to pay for your mistakes.

  49. Profile photo of xavroche
    xavroche Male 30-39
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    October 27, 2009 at 10:09 am
    "Homosexuality is a concious decision made based on a perverted sexual addiction. Sorry to say, but it`s the same mental process that creates pedophiles."

    Actually no it really isn`t. What you are saying is completely your own twisted logic and has nothing to do with any existing serious psychological studies or any science for that matter.

    Homosexuality has not been considered a sexual deviance for years, and though it once was, science has completely recanted in the same way as it has that the earth was once flat.

    Homosexuality is not a choice in the same way that liking or not liking apples is not really a choice. Having consensual gay sex is about as harmful to society as eating an apple. Being a pedophile may also not be a choice, but it is harmful to society, as is murder, rape, etc.

    I`m going to use your logic and say that liking apples is not a choice, it`s a conscious decision based on what I (an apple hater) consider a perverted oral addiction. Sorry to say

  50. Profile photo of xavroche
    xavroche Male 30-39
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    October 27, 2009 at 10:09 am
    Sorry to say, but liking apples is the same mental process as pedophilia. Startech, I really hope that you don`t eat apples, because if so you are going straight to hell...

    PS- to all you apple addicts, I don`t really hate you, this was just an example to show Startech that he is an idiot.

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    bonsushi Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 10:11 am
    In Romans 9:13, which says "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated", Jacob is a representative of God`s elect, while Esau is a representative of the reprobate.
  52. Profile photo of xavroche
    xavroche Male 30-39
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    October 27, 2009 at 10:19 am
    @Genocyde: Wow... You base your whole argument on homosexuality being a health risk... I think it`s time to leave the 1970s and enter the 21st century.

    Let`s assume that homosexuality does lead to poorer health. Most studies have shown that statistically gay people make good money and tend to be at least middle/ upper middle class. These tend to be the sort of people that have private health insurance and have money in case they get sick. So how is this costing you money?

    In fact, what I want to know is why you bible thumpers have 300 kids that you can`t afford. If I take the average gay person and I take the average homophobic simpleton in the US, I guarantee that the gay person will be making a higher salary, not be on welfare, be paying more taxes etc. So if anything I think most gay people are wondering why they are paying taxes for idiots in Alabama who have 3 kids at 17...

  53. Profile photo of JacobTrue13
    JacobTrue13 Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 10:25 am
    ACTUALLY, that bible verse refers to cutting your hair IN MOMORIAL of someone else who died, which was a pagan ritual. So really, is not a sin to cut your hair for cosmetic reasons, only if you are doing it in rememberance of a deceased loved one (which obviously doesn`t happen a lot).

    Having said that, Leviticus also bans getting memorial tattoos, which christians do actually do quite often.

    I`m an atheist, and I firmly believe that if more people actually read the Bible, there`d be more atheists.

  54. Profile photo of Subushie
    Subushie Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 10:30 am
    i hope everyone realizes this isn`t in anyway saying anything about homosexuals in anyway. the picture is sopposto invoke laughter based on the signs irony and comedy. not spark a vicious fight. I mean seriously? grow up you 30+`s life isn`t always about right and wrong, sometimes you just got to laugh alittle.
  55. Profile photo of Subushie
    Subushie Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 10:32 am
    about my previous comment. it always seems that people in the 30-39 year old category are always preaching bible sh/it, thats why i said 30+`s, i dont have anything against you older people though.
  56. Profile photo of hwkiller
    hwkiller Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 11:01 am
    That`s silly. The rules of leviticus IN CONTEXT were based around cultural rules.
    The things ruled against in leviticus were usually pagan rituals.

    Not only that, but those rules have been discarded, except for the one of homosexuality, which is mentioned again in 1st corinthians 6:9-10.

    I agree that christians should treat homosexuals equal to heterosexuals, even based on the christian doctrine. All sins are equal, ACTING*** on homosexuality is a sin, and we are all sinners. Why do we look down on them? Who knows.
    But either way, the bible says what it says.
    The bible does not hate homosexuals, it treats acting on it as a sin, and that`s it.

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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 11:27 am
    "Doesn`t this show that the problem is retards, and not religion? People using religion to say something they want it to say, irrespective of what it does say."

    Yes it does. I have never denied nor hinted at denying that religious people are the only bugnuts stupid people we have on the planet. For the record, I`ve known some rather idiotic atheists.

    "Why do people think that if we got rid of religion, those jackasses would go away?"

    I don`t, and it won`t. People are naturally less inclined to be educated, or, more accurately, less inclined to be educated beyond what is necessary to transmit their genes. Why? Because that takes effort and energy. Abandoning religion is *necessary* for the enlightenment of the species but it is not *sufficient*. The hole we generate by religion`s removal must be filled with education and critical thinking. This might be unattainable, but that is the goal I set for my life. I happen to think it is noble.

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    Slmmhmmr161 Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 11:33 am
    hw, don`t pull that "In Context" poo, christians use bible quotes out of context all the time.

    If more people decided to stop living for the "next" world, and began living for this one, the world would be a better place.

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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 11:33 am
    ohthedrama:

    "Christ doesn`t have to say anything about it. It`s actually quite clear. Sexual attraction towards someone of the same sex is not natural."

    Don`t give me that sh*t. What the f*ck do you care about nature? The `laws` of nature as we have established them doesn`t currently point to any deity. Ah, but that`s right, you`re of the type to pick and sift through the bones of any popular ideology so long as it fits your preconceived notions of the world. Don`t f*cking pretend to give a sh*t about nature (which you don`t seem to have a clue about, anyway) when all you`re really doing is whoring it out to your bigotry. Piss off.

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    HOBOMOE Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 11:42 am
    this reminds of that one girl who had a poster along the lines of
    "jesus has two dads, why can`t I"
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    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
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    October 27, 2009 at 12:04 pm
    Overmann - You are... er.. the mann.

    Keep it up you`re an inspiration to us all.

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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 12:13 pm
    Deconstructing anti gay arguments, Reasons:

    Buybull sez

    The Harm argument

    The "Unnaturalness" argument

    Go back to your caves heterosexist troglodytes, and stop trying to pass the buck to your god for your hatred.

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    daisy822 Female 13-17
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    October 27, 2009 at 12:28 pm
    i hate overly-christian christians. :/
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    cleminem9919 Male 13-17
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    October 27, 2009 at 12:48 pm
    Overman, i agree with what you are saying, but earlier you said you want to get rid of religion. Im not religious, but i think it serves a purpose in society. If you look at it, it basicaly just says to be nice to other people. Im not saying that everyone would be a dick if there was no religion, but im saying it might help some mentaly unstable. also, the idea of higher judgement helps quite a bit with being nice, saying if you are generaly a nice person, you will be treated well in the afterlife, and bad people will burn in hell for the rest of their life. i just think it serves a purpose.
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    Spambot3000 Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 12:48 pm
    I like religion bashing as much as the next militant atheist but this s**t got boring a f*****g long time ago.
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    Fatninja01 Male 30-39
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    October 27, 2009 at 1:01 pm
    So many statements in the bible are ovelooked, like get stoned to death if you curse you father! But alas people pick and choose what they want and call it a religion!
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    treble_head Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 1:03 pm
    cleminem, I find it odd that one can assume that religion should be for the mentally unstable and the weak. I happen to know a church-going christian who is friendly with atheists to the point that she made a bumper-sticker that says "Atheists are good for nothing", meaning that one does not have to have a fear of God or hell to have a decent morality.

    If it`s the mentally unwell and people who need fear to be moral, I`m afraid that religion has run its course.

    Any and all, I`d say that the bible is a decent book, though a boring read, and the picture just shows how un-positive the bible can be. Things that are "abominations toward God" in the book of Leviticus: Cheeseburgers, sushi, shaving, tattoos, shrimp roostertail, bunnies, wearing a poly-cotton blend, vegetable gardens, etc. Why gay marriage is an issue is beyond me.

    Oh, and hey, Overman, I remember you from the JREF.

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    thejester220 Female 18-29
    20 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 1:05 pm
    there was a whole lot more the the haircut thing.. plus thats old testement. this guy really needs to get his stuff right before making signs.... i do like the colors thou :)
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    treble_head Male 18-29
    83 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 1:05 pm
    I also find it fascinating that the word c*ck got edited in my text when I used it to describe shrimp c*cktail. that`s super funny to me.
  70. Profile photo of hwkiller
    hwkiller Male 18-29
    490 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 1:09 pm
    "hw, don`t pull that "In Context" poo, christians use bible quotes out of context all the time."

    Yeah, there are lots of stupid people in the world, both christian and atheist. I never said otherwise.

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    ElSombrero Male 13-17
    716 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 1:11 pm
    These people should all move the Provincetown. I can actually Guaruntee they would love that place.
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    cleminem9919 Male 13-17
    383 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 1:12 pm
    treble, thats why i said some people. some means not all, but a portion. it helps alot of people sleep at night knowing that if they are good, they will be rewarded. it also helps people trying to recover from an accident, and gives people a reason to live. Im not saying its just for people that have a problem, but for anybody. Im just saying it helps those With problems live better. Know what im saying?
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    declan765 Male 13-17
    55 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 1:17 pm
    they also say if you marry a woman who is not a virgin she should be executed but religion just starts wars *cough*iraq*cough*
  74. Profile photo of Dad4Life
    Dad4Life Male 50-59
    2086 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 1:23 pm
    Quit trying to prove the Bible wrong to justify your behavior. Homosexuality is deviant behavior and should not be celebrated.
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 1:26 pm
    SCfan, if you`d pull your head out of your a$$ and checked out my links you`d learn that no behavior is immoral simply on the grounds that a minority of people do it.
  76. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 1:29 pm
    Why do people think that if we got rid of religion, those jackasses would go away?

    Those jackasses wouldn`t go away, but at least we`d be able to call them out for the disgusting intolerant bigots that they are.

    - Someone thinks black people shouldn`t have the same rights as the rest of us, we call them a racist bigot.

    - Someone thinks women shouldn`t have the same rights as the rest of us, we call them a sexist bigot.

    - Someone thinks homosexuals shouldn`t have the same rights as the rest of us, we tiptoe around them, nod sagely and say "ah, but that`s their religious belief, and we must respect that".

  77. Profile photo of SmilinSam
    SmilinSam Female 18-29
    3599 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 1:31 pm
    there are so many things in the bible that we skip nowadays. women are evil if they wear pearls, or have their hair braided.
  78. Profile photo of cobrakiller
    cobrakiller Male 18-29
    7473 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 1:40 pm
    startech, its funny that you bring up pedophilia. it was actually more common in the days that the bible takes place than homosexuality. up until only a few hundred years or so ago, around most of the world, diddling the youngsters happened more than anyone would like to think. Im talking greece, rome, egypt, and pretty much everywhere near any of those. so that means the writers of your little book probably delved into the man+boy love from time to time. like xavroche said, homosexuality has no detrimental effects on society as a whole, but pedophilia can cause behavioral, psychological, and emotional harm to the child. and harming the children, harms the future of society.
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    Frankii Female 18-29
    437 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 1:59 pm
    Leviticus also said that we shouldn`t eat lots of things(like pork) and that a man shouldn`t marry his brother`s wife. That last one isn`t really relevant to anything but OK.
  80. Profile photo of cannibal151
    cannibal151 Male 18-29
    1550 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 2:08 pm
    I love how christians pick and choose which rules from the bible that they want to follow, and I also love how the majority have never even read the whole bible. If you claim a religion follow it to its fullest and learn everything about it or don`t follow any religion at all, hypocrites.
  81. Profile photo of SpacemnSpiff
    SpacemnSpiff Male 18-29
    101 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 2:22 pm
    Why are people ripping on the Christians here? Levitcus is the third book of the Torah. Its a rule book for Hebrew priest, not for Christians.
  82. Profile photo of xiquiripat
    xiquiripat Male 18-29
    2422 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 2:22 pm
    "Sexual attraction towards someone of the same sex is not natural"

    You obviously don`t know anything about Bonobos...

  83. Profile photo of Zerro
    Zerro Male 18-29
    628 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 2:38 pm
    I love when people try to criticize Christians for not following the law of the Old Testament.

    The Old Testament (mostly Leviticus) has 3 types of laws that were given to the nation of Israel. NOT Christians.

    These 3 types of laws are:

    -Moral law. (Ten Commandments etc)
    -Sacrificial Law (Basically told the Israelites how to sacrifice properly and worship God properly.)
    -The Laws to help keep the Israelites seperate from other nations (Haircuts, Clothing etc)

    When Jesus died on the Cross, he fulfilled these laws. We are now under the law of Christ which is to “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. And to love your neighbor as yourself”

    The Old Testament law was never intended to be universal for all people, for all of time. Christians today are to love God and love our neighbors. This is all that God requires of us now.

  84. Profile photo of Steyene
    Steyene Male 18-29
    112 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 2:41 pm
    Alright, where to start. I am a Christian, homosexuality is a sin, but as is a number of things that our society has no problems with. It shouldn`t be the massive problem that it is today simply because some backwards people can`t see that, while yes homosexuality is a sin, their behaviour is as well.

    To all of you people say that Christians pick and choose their laws, while you state OLD TESTAMENT LAWS. You are being just as mentally stunted as the bigots. More then likely you have little to know actually personal understanding of the bible or how it fits together.

    With Jesus a large number of those extreme laws were voided, the stoning of non virgins etc. He also removed the ritualistic need for "pure" meat. The 10 commandments obviously stayed, as have the morals of the stories.

    The new testament contains how to live a Christian life, while the Old testament taught how to live the traditional Jewish life.

  85. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 3:00 pm
    Steyene, how do you rationlise on one hand your stance of "Christians live by New Testament Laws, ignore all that Old Testament bumpf" with your stance of "Homosexuality is a sin"?

    As Overmann said a few pages back, if homosexuality is such a sin, why didn`t Jesus mention it? A single thing about it? Not so much as a throwaway one-liner?

    Again, excuse me if I enjoy the irony of your statement To all of you people say that Christians pick and choose their laws, while you state OLD TESTAMENT LAWS...

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    doom_reaper Male 13-17
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    October 27, 2009 at 3:02 pm
    dude why cant people just stop f*cking with everyone and everything and let people be
    themselves...let them make their own mistakes and their own victories. I hate stuck up pricks that think everything they think and do is the only right way to do things (P.S. to the grammer nazi`s
    kiss my left nut!! i dont care)
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    heartx3jess Female 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 3:09 pm
    haha this is great
  88. Profile photo of kamietsu
    kamietsu Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 3:11 pm
    I tried to love my neighbor as myself...

    He filed for sexual harassment.

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    GRadde Male 18-29
    2556 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 3:13 pm
    >Space
    Because if someone were to bash Jews as fervently as it is commonly accepted to bash Christianity, one runs the risk of being called a Nazi. Thus, it is lot easier to bash Christians.
  90. Profile photo of canusuck
    canusuck Male 30-39
    796 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 3:18 pm
    my cat`s breath smells like cat food
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    Discobiscuit Male 18-29
    542 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 3:19 pm
    Holy drat guys. Calm down.

    *suits up*

  92. Profile photo of xavroche
    xavroche Male 30-39
    819 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 3:21 pm
    "Because if someone were to bash Jews as fervently as it is commonly accepted to bash Christianity, one runs the risk of being called a Nazi. Thus, it is lot easier to bash Christians."

    Stupid Jews, controlling IAB.

  93. Profile photo of Steyene
    Steyene Male 18-29
    112 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 3:23 pm
    @Davy. Well played. But I base my idea of it being a sin from the New Testament. When I say sin, I mean it as on the same level as porn, which as far as I am concerned isn`t that bad.
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    CheeseMan1 Male 18-29
    1408 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 3:23 pm
    So can anyone give me a good list of quotes on which Jesus talks about old laws and denounces/validates them? Would be nice to look at, thanks.
  95. Profile photo of Mindfreak11
    Mindfreak11 Male 18-29
    15 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 3:26 pm
    I find it funny how everyone is trying to defend the Christian faith the wrong way. Being gay is NOT a sin. Acting on it is. By acting on it, I mean having sex. This is wrong because sexual love is for married couples, because Christians believe sex has two purposes. One is to renew marrige vows to participate in one flesh union. The other is procreation. The latter is obviously not present is gay sex, therefore a sin.
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    canusuck Male 30-39
    796 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 3:29 pm
    u know u can get a good look at a T-Bone by sticking your head up the butcher`s ass but wouldnt u rather take his word for it-Sage advice from Tommy Boy
  97. Profile photo of SpacemnSpiff
    SpacemnSpiff Male 18-29
    101 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 3:45 pm
    Homosexuality is a sin...maybe...I don`t know. Its not in the 10 Commandments and I`m not God and I`m not perfect, so I shouldn`t judge people. I should just love the person and tell him/her about Christ, I think that`s what Jesus would want me to do. I`m sure he wouldn`t want me to go around and persecute people, because that would probably just drive people away from Christianity.
  98. Profile photo of xavroche
    xavroche Male 30-39
    819 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 3:45 pm
    Simple clarification: Jews do not live by the Old Testament. Do you think in every Synagogue there is a King James with the second half torn out? Jews read the TORAH, which though it has many simularities with the OT is NOT the same thing. Clearly if the old testament was included in the CHRISTIAN bible, there is a reason for that beyond nostalgia for what used to be.

    It is incorrect to say that in the Bible Jesus said to ignore the OT. There is debate concerning phrasing in the Gospels, particularly in Matthew 5-7 about how Christians should now interpret the laws that were in place before Jesus came.

    When the Bible was put together several hundred years after JC, during the first ecumenical councils, there were deliberate choices made about which books to include in the OT. It is inconceivable that the early Christians would have included books they believed were worthless or no longer applied.

  99. Profile photo of xavroche
    xavroche Male 30-39
    819 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 3:46 pm
    Even if we ignore the OT, there are parts of the NT (Romans/Corinthians) that talk about homosexuality. The Pauline Epistles are just as important as the Gospels in defining Christianity, therefore it is beyond argument that the Christian Bible, if taken literally, does say that Homosexuality is a sin.


    I think that every person that calls themselves a Christian needs to define his relationship with what is his holy text.

    The fact of the matter is that it is almost impossible to live life exactly how the bible dictates if taken literally. Most Christians don`t. However some of these Christians still take certain parts of the bible to fit their needs, which reeks of hypocrisy. Especially given that the overarching themes of the bible tend to be of acceptance and neighborly love, as well as not judging others.

  100. Profile photo of xavroche
    xavroche Male 30-39
    819 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 3:46 pm
    In the end I don`t really care what the Bible says. If you use these quotes to demonstrate that gay people are living in sin, you most likely were already homophobic outside of your religious beliefs and you are using religion as a shield.
  101. Profile photo of wrexsoull
    wrexsoull Male 18-29
    86 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 3:47 pm
    Hey idiots. Did you ever stop to think that maybe the law of Moses went out of effect when Jesus came to Earth? Stop bringing up the, "No eating shellfish and no hair-cut excuse." Once Jesus came to Earth, Christianity was formed. The law of Moses was done away when Christianity was formed. Why do you think Christians don`t perform burnt offerings?

    Also, Mindfreak111, I agree with you. I don`t think God would condemn a man if he were to be born attracted to men. I am still unsure if men are born attracted to other men or if it is an "aquired taste." Either way, I don`t blame a person if they are attracted to the same sex. What I blame them for is having sex with the same sex. That is just wrong and it violates the laws of Christianity.

  102. Profile photo of cobrakiller
    cobrakiller Male 18-29
    7473 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 3:51 pm
    wow, i see a few people making the same stupid ass argument: We as christians dont follow the old testament laws, so stop using those to make your point.
    Are you idiots, the law your trying to defend `homosexuality being immoral` was a law of the old testament. the one you keep saying that you dont follow. so, if your going to follow that little law, why not follow all of the little laws.
    The fact is you are repeating what it is you were raised on. if you were raised in a home that accepted homosexuals for who they are, and didnt see them as sinners, you would feel differently.
    This is common, you believe what you were brought up to believe. if your family or church spouts hatred of gays, then you will hate gays. Whether it is just or unjust, you will follow it until something else comes along to change your view. its the same as if you were to grow up being taught that TV is evil, until proven otherwise you will believe it.
    if i were brought up th
  103. Profile photo of Dfaulted
    Dfaulted Male 13-17
    1920 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 3:53 pm
    Um I thought it said no long hair "If a man has long hair it is a shame upon himself" ...
  104. Profile photo of cobrakiller
    cobrakiller Male 18-29
    7473 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 3:53 pm
    ...at way i would probably believe the same thing you do.
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    IkeRay Male 18-29
    2704 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 3:58 pm
    I agree with the sign...but does that mean that if we all stop cutting our hair we can ban gays??

    btw, I`m at 18 months w/o a hair cut, I`m planning on going more than 36 months, but we`ll see how that goes as my hair is past my shoulder blades already

  106. Profile photo of Erayn
    Erayn Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 4:05 pm
    Hey wrexsoul.... way to be ignorant!
  107. Profile photo of xavroche
    xavroche Male 30-39
    819 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 4:07 pm
    "The law of Moses was done away when Christianity was formed."
    Wrong wrong wrong... I`m not going to go into the whole argument AGAIN, but ever heard of the ten commandments? Yeah I thought so...

    "Either way, I don`t blame a person if they are attracted to the same sex. What I blame them for is having sex with the same sex."
    On simple moral grounds, that is sick. You expect people to just repress their sexual orientations?

    @Cobrakiller: I agree with you that culture and society are more responsible for rascism/homophobia etc, but I still believe that past a certain age personal responsibility kicks in and you become as much to blame as your upbringings...

  108. Profile photo of mykunter
    mykunter Male 40-49
    2424 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 4:07 pm
    Hmmmm... what`s more annoying, fags that are "proud" of thier sexual perversion and think they deserve special rights, or bible beaters?
  109. Profile photo of Erayn
    Erayn Male 18-29
    27 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 4:10 pm
    "Hmmmm... what`s more annoying, fags that are "proud" of thier sexual perversion and think they deserve special rights, or bible beaters?"

    Hmmmm... I didn`t realize that cigarettes were sexually perverted. Thank you for opening my eyes.

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    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 4:14 pm
    I believe Mindfreak11 brought up the procreation argument, The Procreation Argument Destroyed

    Thank you for playing, please come again!

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    tangello Female 13-17
    901 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 4:17 pm
    mykunter, you have just been burrrrnnnedd
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    JadeEskimo Female 18-29
    45 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 4:24 pm
    I would never want to pray to a God that was so full of hate towards one specific type of person, whether you call it Christianity or not.
  113. Profile photo of Solvent
    Solvent Male 18-29
    2842 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 4:28 pm
    Good Ol religion: Turning people into a bunch of retards since the dawn of man.
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    Boredered Male 18-29
    2506 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 4:28 pm
    I`ve never had a non-bad experience with gays, they`ve always made me uncomfortable, and they know this, so they just feed my uncomfort, for this I despise gays.
  115. Profile photo of cndman15
    cndman15 Male 18-29
    328 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 4:31 pm
    it looks like all the points i wanted to make have already been made :/

    one of my favorite things to do is tear apart bible verses... with other bible verses. there is so much conflict within that book, its amusing.

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    shunpo_31 Male 18-29
    1381 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 4:34 pm
    "Being gay is NOT a sin."

    oh really? um...okay. you go right ahead and think that.

  117. Profile photo of npdarren
    npdarren Male 18-29
    602 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 4:45 pm
    lol, today in my government class, my teacher said he believes gay marriage is wrong because it violates the definition of marriage, which he said was "between a man and woman". After class I asked him if he believed God exists, and he said "of course". Then I said, "But, the definition of `existence` is that it can be proven to be in a state of being either by direct observation or indirect reasoning by scientific or mathematic fact. Therefore, by definition, God does not exist."

    He was silent.

  118. Profile photo of Dextrine
    Dextrine Male 18-29
    483 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 4:48 pm
    I told someone today i believe in horus, not jesus. then i proceeded to explain how he was born of he was born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25th in a cave with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men. Horus taught in the temple when he was a child, performed miracles and raised a man from the dead. Not only did Horus walk on water, he was also crucified, buried in a tomb, and then resurrected.

    funny to see their reaction

  119. Profile photo of Uncle_T
    Uncle_T Male 13-17
    485 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 4:50 pm
    i dont understand
  120. Profile photo of Erayn
    Erayn Male 18-29
    27 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 4:50 pm
    @Mindfreak11: So your saying that god wants us to be homosexuals. He just wants us to keep it bottled up inside? We can want to love another man but no one else can know. Is this why homosexuality has becomes a dirty little secret? Why would a loving omnipotent god want us to live out lives in shame? Why would the ultimate being, the one who is supposed to care for us want us to hide what defines us? Tell me that. Why would our creator reject us for a trait he himself created us with?
  121. Profile photo of ShadowDD13
    ShadowDD13 Male 18-29
    260 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 4:51 pm
    yes shunpo 31, it isnt, please quote me where in the bible that it says being gay is a sin, otherwise go to hell, and dont worry u dont need to be gay to do that, the way u act ur already goin

    btw nice one solvent, couldnt be more true

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    pomunium Female 13-17
    77 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 4:53 pm
    The sign is really pretty.
  123. Profile photo of xavroche
    xavroche Male 30-39
    819 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 4:58 pm
    @Dextrine: I`m glad you`ve seen Zeitgeist, but this is completely false. Zeitgeist is a conspiracy movie and while it does bring up some interesting points, it has largely been debunked.

    Horus was not born on Dec 25th, nor of Virgin birth.... The places that have talked about this are completely unsourced and are basically using to public`s ignorance of egyptology to just make stuff up...

    For a more complete rebutal:
    http://conspiracyscience.com/articles/ze...

  124. Profile photo of MrHyde
    MrHyde Male 18-29
    494 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 4:58 pm
    "yes shunpo 31, it isnt, please quote me where in the bible that it says being gay is a sin, otherwise go to hell, and dont worry u dont need to be gay to do that, the way u act ur already goin

    btw nice one solvent, couldnt be more true "

    Leviticus 20:13 is the verse that is used.
    ""If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.""

  125. Profile photo of npdarren
    npdarren Male 18-29
    602 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 5:00 pm
    That`s one reason why I`m atheist--the Bible has too many conflicting messages. I remember not too long ago there was a post similar to this in which a gay person was holding a sign that had a Bible verse about how people shouldn`t get divorces. That sure is a doctrine we follow today. :\
  126. Profile photo of Edgarska19
    Edgarska19 Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 5:03 pm
    hehe, right in the pooper.

    altough just to be clear, god did destroy two whole cities just because they were full of gay men. supposedly.

  127. Profile photo of npdarren
    npdarren Male 18-29
    602 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 5:05 pm
    "Horus was not born on Dec 25th, nor of Virgin birth"

    Neither was Jesus. The Bible says Jesus was born when shepherds were tending to their flocks; something that does not occur in winter. Scholars, upon studying the Bible, estimate he was born in mid-spring.

    Which makes perfect sense considering Christmas is a holiday that was adopted from European pagans when they ignored the Pope`s orders to stop celebrating the holiday.

    Long story short: Jesus wasn`t born on Christmas.

  128. Profile photo of xavroche
    xavroche Male 30-39
    819 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 5:07 pm
    "yes shunpo 31, it isnt, please quote me where in the bible that it says being gay is a sin, otherwise go to hell, and dont worry u dont need to be gay to do that, the way u act ur already goin"

    In shunpo`s defense:
    Lev. 18:22; Lev. 20:13; Deut. 23:17; Rom.1:26 and 27; 1 Cor. 6:9; 1 Tim. 1:8 -10....

    However we need to remember that the Bible is a book, written by men between 1900 and 3500 years ago, and compiled by other men 1600 years ago... It probably shouldn`t be taken too seriously....

  129. Profile photo of Tonyjet
    Tonyjet Male 18-29
    3298 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 5:08 pm
    the bible was written by jews.

    yet every religion is in conflict with the others because somehow they disagree, even though the basically branched out of the same one

  130. Profile photo of Tonyjet
    Tonyjet Male 18-29
    3298 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 5:09 pm
    "God is dead"
    -Nietzsche-
  131. Profile photo of Edgarska19
    Edgarska19 Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 5:12 pm
    tonyjet

    of course he`s dead, the jews killed him.

  132. Profile photo of xavroche
    xavroche Male 30-39
    819 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 5:18 pm
    @NpDarren: Yep, the Feast of Nativity was first celebrated in Rome on Dec 25th around 350AD.

    Also it`s not that sheperds don`t tend their flock during winter, it`s that they only tend them during the night during lambing period... which is in mid spring...

    As for the pagan holliday, that has been up for debate. One other explanation of the date is the following: Roman scholars believed that God had begun creation on Spring Equinox. He created light four days later. Add nine months and you get Dec 25th..

  133. Profile photo of squirebag
    squirebag Male 18-29
    106 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 5:19 pm
    i dont understand why people put this kinda crap on iab
    Now everyone is pissed off at eachother. Lets just be friends
  134. Profile photo of Erayn
    Erayn Male 18-29
    27 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 5:23 pm
    Tonyjet.... research what your gonna quote before you quote it.... *sigh*
    "God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?"
  135. Profile photo of cobrakiller
    cobrakiller Male 18-29
    7473 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 5:35 pm
    edgarska, sodom and gamora were destroyed because they were completely full of sin, not just homosexuality. they were pretty much equal to hippie convents. oh, except with more murder and torcher.
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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2009 at 5:38 pm
    *yawns*
  137. Profile photo of Mornaf
    Mornaf Male 18-29
    820 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 5:51 pm
    ..., oh god dammit, i always enter the flamewars to late.
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    hi2pi Male 30-39
    736 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 5:59 pm
    These posts rock because of all the responses. rage piled on indignity piled on judgement, and all the while it seems that everyone has their fingers in their ears going "lalalalalala i can`t hear you".
    wouldn`t it be better if we spent our time condemning those that wage war, those that despoil our air and water, sadists and rapists?
  139. Profile photo of JTrevor
    JTrevor Male 18-29
    64 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 6:03 pm
    Well, that brings the I-Am-Bored anti-Christian post count since I started to 102, pro-Christian 17.
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    langdonhill Male 18-29
    506 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 6:14 pm
    I agree with cobrakiller, torcher is wrong and people shouldn`t torcher people.
  141. Profile photo of cobrakiller
    cobrakiller Male 18-29
    7473 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 6:37 pm
    hi2pi, technically that is what ive been doing. and langdonhill, wow, i cant believe i actually did that. i feel dumb.
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    Blitzdrache Male 13-17
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    October 27, 2009 at 6:59 pm
    Forever gay! Yesssssssssssssssssss!
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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    October 27, 2009 at 7:13 pm
    npdarren
    Male, 18-29, Western US
    197 Posts
    Tuesday, October 27, 2009 5:00:45 PM
    That`s one reason why I`m atheist--the Bible has too many conflicting messages.
    --------------------------------------------------

    Not the reason I`m atheist but it`s certainly one of the reasons why i`ll stand up and speak out against a religion!

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    britt566 Female 18-29
    2290 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 7:22 pm
    I completely agree with this picture. No questions asked.
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    agrover Female 30-39
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    October 27, 2009 at 7:53 pm
    thumbs up!
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    Edgarska19 Male 18-29
    1045 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 7:57 pm
    @cobrakiller

    but homosexuality was one of the reasons. look, as long as they stay at arm`s lenght, they can do whatever they want withtheir butts.
    live and let live, right?

    but i agree on something, i`ll be damned if i cut my hair shorter than shoulder lenght anytime soon

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    eggmaster Male 13-17
    60 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 8:04 pm
    http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&q=c...


    Research before you slander.

  148. Profile photo of Edgarska19
    Edgarska19 Male 18-29
    1045 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 8:07 pm
    @eggmaster

    whtever, the bible still has a lot of stupid s#it to make fun of.

  149. Profile photo of eggmaster
    eggmaster Male 13-17
    60 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 8:09 pm
    Give me an example of stupid things.
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    cobrakiller Male 18-29
    7473 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 8:16 pm
    eggmaster, that is an assumption. thats his interpretation and what he believes. there are many interpretations, maybe what he believes is right. but, there is also the possibility that his meaning is not that of the original writer. but that guy is long since dead, so we will never know.
  151. Profile photo of eggmaster
    eggmaster Male 13-17
    60 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 8:20 pm
    Ah, but still they are taking it out of context. The original scripture was not written as individual verses but as a continuous letter. The verse before it talks about forbidding "eating with blood"

    Check it out guys, i`m not forcing my religion on you. My religion tells me to spread the word of God and that he`ll handle it.

    If you don`t agree with me, thats cool, all i`m saying is do a little research and studies before you bash another religion.

  152. Profile photo of dmonman
    dmonman Male 13-17
    59 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 8:24 pm
    Thank you so much egg master i`m atheist and your the first christen that hasn`t got all pissy and trys to convert! thank you! Go Atheist`s!
  153. Profile photo of eggmaster
    eggmaster Male 13-17
    60 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 8:28 pm
    All the people you are talking about are doing the opposite of what the great commission says.

    It is to tell people about God. Not to force it upon them.

    I have many good friends that are of completly different religions that conflict my own. I tell them about my religion and keep an open mind to theirs.

  154. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 8:28 pm
    Challenge from eggmaster: "Give me an example of stupid things [from the Bible">"

    Well, egg, here`s a starter.

    Your Book, dude.

    And by the way, I used to be hardcore Christian back when I was a teen. I know the Bible inside out, so please don`t do me the disservice of "ah, but you`re missing the point".

  155. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 8:34 pm
    I have many good friends that are of completly different religions that conflict my own. I tell them about my religion and keep an open mind to theirs.

    I`m calling fence-sitting bullsh*t. If you`re a true Christian, then the only way to heaven is through our Lord Jesus Christ blah blah blah. Which means anyone not in the team is going to Hell. Not just not making it to heaven, that would be bad enough, but instead suffering in eternal damnation. That`s pretty harsh.

    Christianity makes me feel slightly nauseous. According to Christian doctrine, anyone who is Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Atheist, Zoroastrian, Shintoist, Traditional Chinese Animist, Pagan, etc, etc, are all going to burn in hell for eternity. No matter if they`ve been a good person all their life. Sorry, tough love, you didn`t accept Jesus as the One True Saviour.

    Meanwhile, the Christian priest kiddie-fiddler is OK, for he is saved in the eyes of the LORD blah blah blah.

  156. Profile photo of eggmaster
    eggmaster Male 13-17
    60 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 8:35 pm
    Because of those verses you gave me, it`s going to make me dig deeper into my religion.

  157. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 8:39 pm
    Because of those verses you gave me, it`s going to make me dig deeper into my religion.

    You keep digging, dude. I lost many friends that way, many of which are now zombies to me. Just remember as you dig, that there`s a surface above you. There`s nothing wrong with challenging your beliefs. Any God that demands you keep digging without looking up every now and again, is by my definition, a dick.

    And therefore not worth worshipping.

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    fishgul69 Female 18-29
    914 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 9:10 pm
    total lol at the post and the post comments.
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    TrustyMadman Male 18-29
    144 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 9:22 pm
    Try to say "Levitcus gives hair cuts" with a lisp... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....
  160. Profile photo of BreCool
    BreCool Female 13-17
    7 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 9:27 pm
    "According to Christian doctrine, anyone who is Jewish..........are all going to burn in hell for eternity" So is Jesus the one acception? And am I the only one who finds it funny that Christians hate Jews even though they`re more true to the bible?
  161. Profile photo of Linkenberger
    Linkenberger Male 18-29
    1164 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 9:38 pm
    Debating religion is like debating colors; debating it won`t change opinions.
  162. Profile photo of eggmaster
    eggmaster Male 13-17
    60 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 9:39 pm
    A davymid you have made me question my religion, which in my opinion is not a bad thing. I`m definitely not a "close-minded" christian. I will totally keep in mind everything you have said. Tomorrow i`m going to go to someone who knows more about theology than me and show him/her those verses and see what they say. I know it will just be their opinion but it will give me more insight.

  163. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 9:48 pm
    All healthy and good egg, and sincerely glad that we can have a civil conversation about it. It`s refreshing not to be flamed outright for a change.

    I mean mutual respect, I hope.

  164. Profile photo of Windrider15
    Windrider15 Male 13-17
    656 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 9:51 pm
    OK, i saw another one of these posts before, but i cant find it to save my life!

    Something from deut about killing non-virgin wives...
    I really wants it!

    Can someone link it?

  165. Profile photo of Boadicea
    Boadicea Female 18-29
    1677 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 10:01 pm
    To the the people who oppose homosexuality on the basis of it being antithetical to procreation or blah blah whatever:

    Have you ever turned down a blowjob? (or ..eating out? whatever)

    I thought not.

    Do you forego protection in every sexual encounter since you would then be having sex FOR NO PURPOSE?

    I thought not.

    You`re (mostly) all douchebags, and most of you doing all the condemning will be rotting in hell before any of the icky gayz.

  166. Profile photo of k10josumm
    k10josumm Male 18-29
    432 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 10:13 pm
    ahhh FAAK DA BIBLE. sorry.

    you may proceed to argue. but hopefully not.

  167. Profile photo of Suicism
    Suicism Male 18-29
    3625 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 10:15 pm
    Windrider15: http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm...

    For some reason I-A-B`s search engine is only smart enough to scan for keywords from the TITLE, not the subheading.

    And it was Deuteronomy that time (I checked it out too, it`s legit.)

  168. Profile photo of SpacemnSpiff
    SpacemnSpiff Male 18-29
    101 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 10:16 pm
    There is only one true religion... the Lauraist religion. Laura Ingalls Wilder is god. Our leader and future mayor of Minneapolis will show all of you atheist and Christians how foolish you are.

    I`m not making this up. A mayoral candidate for Minneapolis believes Laura Ingalls Wilder is god. Yay for religion!

  169. Profile photo of k10josumm
    k10josumm Male 18-29
    432 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 10:20 pm
    btw great link davymid. to me any one of those is good enough to discredit the whole thing.
  170. Profile photo of xavroche
    xavroche Male 30-39
    819 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 10:32 pm
    @Davymid: You claim to know the Bible inside out, yet you also claim that Christian doctrine dictates that only Christians go to Heaven. This is WRONG and shows that you have not correctly read the bible.

    This assumption is based on two things:
    1)Historical events in which churches, namely the Roman Catholic church, have persecuted non christians.
    2)A very loose and out of context interpretation of Mark 16:16 and John 14:6.

    However MANY passages of the bible point towards salvation and a place in heaven for ALL righteous, including non-christians:
    1)The most important is te Parable of the Sheep and Goats Matthew (25:31-46); Which specifically states that the condition for entry into heaven is righteousness towards man.
    2)The following verses clearly state that the "one law" is to love your fellow man: Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8; Romans 13:10; James 2:8; Proverbs 10:12; 1 Peter 4:8.

  171. Profile photo of xavroche
    xavroche Male 30-39
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    October 27, 2009 at 10:32 pm

    3)Even more damning to your belief is ROMANS 2:14-16. In this passage, Paul explains that for all those who do not know of/follow the teachings of christianity, there exists a "natural law" which is, surprise, "just be a good person."
    4)In 1 Timothy 4:10, it is written " is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe." Notice the use of the word "especially" and not the word "only."

    If you study christian eschatology, you will understand that according to it salvation can occur for ALL men and that the righteous will be granted entry into heaven, not simply the believers.

  172. Profile photo of Boadicea
    Boadicea Female 18-29
    1677 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 10:38 pm
    "..all men.."

    What about women? Oh right, the bible doesn`t care about them, my bad.

  173. Profile photo of xavroche
    xavroche Male 30-39
    819 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 10:42 pm
    ""..all men.."

    What about women? Oh right, the bible doesn`t care about them, my bad."

    All men= All mankind = All homo Sapiens = Men and Women.

    It`s just easier to write all men....

  174. Profile photo of adilicious
    adilicious Female 13-17
    377 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 10:54 pm
    It`s not really that hard to write `all mankind`. Especially because the bible is basically all really long sentences that could have been shortened.

    And, given the time it was written/edited, it probably DOES just mean men.

  175. Profile photo of adilicious
    adilicious Female 13-17
    377 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 10:54 pm
    Either way, nice sign.
  176. Profile photo of wcclark
    wcclark Male 18-29
    731 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 10:58 pm
    As an Apatheist, I think everyone should love and respect one another just as much as they expect themselves to be loved and respected.

    Is it wrong that I`m the friendly guy who tries to honestly compliment at least 20 people a day? Is it wrong that I stop to help animals and people on the road? Is it wrong that I try so hard to be the nicest guy wherever I go?

    I don`t feel we should fight over religions or try to push our theological beliefs onto others that don`t want them. I`m sorry to be voicing so many of my own, in fact, because I feel it is very inappropriate of me.

  177. Profile photo of xavroche
    xavroche Male 30-39
    819 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 11:03 pm
    "It`s not really that hard to write `all mankind`. Especially because the bible is basically all really long sentences that could have been shortened."

    The Bible was not originally in English, so to talk about this sort of discrimination in syntax is a bit off topic.
    Issues like writing men vs mankind didn`t exist at the time the Bible was translated, so it`s a bit of an anachronism to apply current standards to the writing.
    Christianity IS sexist for many reasons, this just isn`t one of them...

  178. Profile photo of draquoir
    draquoir Male 18-29
    1051 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 11:03 pm
    Lol, Hypocrites :D
  179. Profile photo of ghostofme
    ghostofme Male 18-29
    516 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 11:26 pm
    *facepalm*

    Want to know why this debate will never end?

    It`s not just because of bigotry on the side of those opposed to homosexuality.

    It`s also because of people like this who just love to egg them on.

    What`s one of the oldest rules on the internet? Don`t feed the trolls. Getting angry is understandable, but lashing back with (sometimes) equally childish behavior not only does not help the cause, it can hurt it.

    Most homophobes and people who are against gay marriage will never change their stances on the subject. Doing things like this only adds fuel to the fires and makes them feel justified for their bigotry.

  180. Profile photo of sbeelz
    sbeelz Male 30-39
    2868 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 11:41 pm
    "it`s also because of people like this who just love to egg them on....
    ...lashing back with (sometimes) equally childish behavior not only does not help the cause, it can hurt it."

    It`s not childish behavior, it`s pointing out the fact that people who use the bible to justify their opposition to homosexuality don`t have any moral ground to stand on. Some rules they ignore entirely- like not cutting your hair, or not eating pork. With others, they not only choose to follow them, they insist that the very laws of our nation should be based upon them.

  181. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    October 27, 2009 at 11:55 pm
    NPdarren:
    "Then I said, "But, the definition of `existence` is that it can be proven to be in a state of being either by direct observation or indirect reasoning by scientific or mathematic fact. Therefore, by definition, God does not exist."
    He was silent."

    So you lied to him and he was silent?

    Existence, in both common usage and official definitions, has nothing to do with the weight of human evidence.

    That`s how we can ask if things exist in an abstract sense, without contradicting any rules of language.

    Free Dictionary.
    Dictionary.com.
    Merriam Webster

  182. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    October 28, 2009 at 12:07 am
    Not to mention that your definition completely puts a rooster in the word "Proven", saying as you cannot prove something by "indirect" human reasoning, if it means what I think it means.

    (Note "Indirect Human Reasoning" has exactly 0 Google search results).

    There is a difference between proof and evidence.

    For example, there can be evidence for something, even if it is false. There cannot be proof for something that is false.

    In turn, aside from mathematical proofs, very few things are provable. You can inductively suggest them, but prove? Doubtful. Suggesting that "by definition" (albeit your own personal definition) nobody, and no thing, exists.

  183. Profile photo of Nidonemo
    Nidonemo Male 18-29
    9308 posts
    October 28, 2009 at 12:16 am
    God the page hits are SO not drating worth this old-as-mummy-farts drama bullcrap.
  184. Profile photo of elimitator
    elimitator Male 18-29
    17 posts
    October 28, 2009 at 3:22 am
    First of all homosexuality is extremely unnatural, if "homosexuality" existed the thousands, or millions of years humans wouldn`t exist, if animals were homosexual they`d be extinct. Second of all Leviticus is in the Old Testament, the Old Testament DOES NOT APPLY TO TODAY`S WORLD. To support the saying Leviticus 19:27 says "Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard."
  185. Profile photo of StarCallista
    StarCallista Female 18-29
    256 posts
    October 28, 2009 at 3:56 am
    "First of all homosexuality is extremely unnatural, if "homosexuality" existed the thousands, or millions of years humans wouldn`t exist..."

    Wrong. We`d just be less populated.

    NOT EVERYONE IN THE WORLD IS A HOMOSEXUAL, OUI?


    "... if animals were homosexual they`d be extinct."

    Major studies and research into animal behaviour and their mating patterns have found that there`s plenty of homosexual behaviour in animals.

    Some guy called Bruce Bagemihl wrote a book about it, you know. Ricky Gervais then understandably proceeded to rip him apart in his first stand-up.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_...

    Anyway; does anyone else think that sign is very well drawn? :3

  186. Profile photo of sargentaaron
    sargentaaron Male 18-29
    8 posts
    October 28, 2009 at 4:19 am
    If the Bible is right, and God is REAL, then why are this Gays? not that i have any problem with there chosen gender. But the point I`m trying to make is, Why So Much Hate? we are all the same and guess What, and we`ll Die the same way!!!
  187. Profile photo of The_Maddog
    The_Maddog Male 30-39
    3369 posts
    October 28, 2009 at 6:07 am
    Wow elimitator. Just wow!

    So much ignorance in one post!

  188. Profile photo of cobrakiller
    cobrakiller Male 18-29
    7473 posts
    October 28, 2009 at 8:07 am
    our world is moving closer and closer toward overpopulation. so, in reality, homosexuality is keeping this in check. not only does that make homosexuality a good thing, but we should hope for more of it. and i dont plan on doing it, so id like to ask as many of you who can to go aheas and switch to the team flying rainbow colors.
  189. Profile photo of thisismary
    thisismary Female 18-29
    99 posts
    October 28, 2009 at 8:33 am
    Can`t we just tollerate each other? You don`t have to agree with what other people are doing. Ignore it if it bothers you so much.
  190. Profile photo of Boadicea
    Boadicea Female 18-29
    1677 posts
    October 28, 2009 at 9:26 am
    eliminator: Did you know you have a brain in your head? It could come in handy the day you choose to use it.

    "if homosexuality existed" - Uh it does exist, and guess what? That doesn`t mean it`s mandatory for everybody in the world to be homosexual. Accepting that homosexuality is harmful to nobody doesn`t make you gay. It`s okay.

  191. Profile photo of ze_tuna_fish
    ze_tuna_fish Female 13-17
    92 posts
    October 28, 2009 at 10:56 am
    It`s nice to see more people actually thinking for themselves these days.

  192. Profile photo of bree416
    bree416 Female 18-29
    265 posts
    October 28, 2009 at 11:02 am
    "the Old Testament DOES NOT APPLY TO TODAY`S WORLD"

    wow i guess i learned something today...

    what an a*hole

  193. Profile photo of The_Maddog
    The_Maddog Male 30-39
    3369 posts
    October 28, 2009 at 11:42 am
    I honestly find it hard to belive, that in a world of readily avalible information and facts (google is your friend) we have idiots who deny the fact that homosexualtiy exists in nature and that there is evidence that both a gay gene exists and sexuality can be effected by the enviroment. It`s not a choice! Admittedly its not a case of nature vs nurture either, rather a combination of both (in some circumstances)!

    Sadly, you can ask people to try and get along and understand each other till the sun goes dim but we will allways have self serving morons who will victimise people just because they are "diffrent"...and we all know where it stems from.

  194. Profile photo of kruegerlady
    kruegerlady Female 18-29
    2 posts
    October 28, 2009 at 1:07 pm
    I agree with Cobrakiller. The world is overpopulated and homosexuals are helping to regulate the populace. I too am not gay or a lesbian, but for those of you who are...God speed. Lol!
  195. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    October 28, 2009 at 4:08 pm
    The_Maddog:

    Please show me the gay gene.

    Simple as that.

    I think the causes are still unknown (and unimportant).

  196. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    October 28, 2009 at 4:15 pm
    "First of all homosexuality is extremely unnatural"

    Wrong and irrelevant. Which tree did your computer grow on? Much of modern society is unnatural. But homosexuality isn`t. Not that it matters, as nature has nothing to do with what`s right and what isn`t. It`s natural for me to murder you and steal your resources, but that doesn`t mean it`s right.

    "if "homosexuality" existed the thousands, or millions of years humans wouldn`t exist"

    Homosexuality has certainly existed throughout recorded history and there`s no reason to think it didn`t exist before (just that nothing was recorded back then). Yet humans exist. This is because (a) most people aren`t homosexual and (b) homosexuals can have children anyway. Just not with each other.

    You`re just plain wrong.

  197. Profile photo of Genocyde
    Genocyde Male 30-39
    712 posts
    October 28, 2009 at 4:26 pm
    @Xavroche: Wow...you doth assume too much and you like to misdirect a lot.

    Let`s go with your first assumption...that it doesn`t seem to have a risk toward your health or that only gay people are making money. Both of which are wrong. Should anyone engaging in activity that is going to have health risks (smoking, drinking, poor diet, homosexuality, etc) then they had better be making enough to afford the private insurance. If they`re not (as you assume they all do) then I shouldn`t have to pay for it.

    Let`s address that second assumption...that I`m a "bible thumper." Another in the long line of falsehoods to come, I`m sure. I never quoted chapter and verse here and I don`t have any children that are costing you all the way over there in Europe so...kinda see where that went down in flames. Got something to protect, I see.

  198. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    October 28, 2009 at 4:27 pm
    "Issues like writing men vs mankind didn`t exist at the time the Bible was translated, so it`s a bit of an anachronism to apply current standards to the writing.
    Christianity IS sexist for many reasons, this just isn`t one of them..."

    I agree. The idea that "man" means "adult male person" is a *very* recent thing. For nearly all of the recorded history of English, `man` was sex-neutral. Hence, for example, middle and modern English `woman` from Old English `wifman`, a compound word formed by combining `wif` ("female") and `man` ("person", adulthood implied).

    If anyone actually cares, they will have to look back at which was used in the original language for every time the word `man` or `men` is used in the translation. That`s the only way to tell whether it was sex-specific or sex-neutral.

    It`s much easier to make politicised claims based on ignorance (real or feigned) of the fact that the meaning of a word can change over

  199. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    October 28, 2009 at 4:28 pm
    "Second of all Leviticus is in the Old Testament, the Old Testament DOES NOT APPLY TO TODAY`S WORLD."

    I assume you`re shouting about Christians, as the OT still applies for Jews and never applied for anyone else.

    It`s unclear what Christians are supposed to think about the OT.

    But if you reject it utterly, you also reject almost all of the alleged prohibitions against homosexuality. The few in the NT are at best weak, if they refer to homosexuality at all.

  200. Profile photo of The_Maddog
    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    October 28, 2009 at 4:48 pm
    Angilion
    Male, 40-49, Europe
    1173 Posts
    Wednesday, October 28, 2009 4:08:34 PM
    The_Maddog:

    Please show me the gay gene.

    Simple as that.

    I think the causes are still unknown (and unimportant).
    --------------------------------------------------

    Google it! C`mon man..I can post a hundred links and it`s still not enough for most people!

    However...I`ll admit it`s not as simple as "there is a gay gene" but rather "genes"! Since we have not yet fully decrypted the human genome, any research could be considered false. However, research shows that identical twins, where one is gay and one is straight, there is a minor genetic diffrence!

    Again..this means nothing without further research because there are minor diffrences between identical twins anyway (and just to point out..many of these diffrences CAN be traced back to enviromental influences..such as food source and lifestyle..i.e one fat twin and one skinny twin). That said,

  201. Profile photo of The_Maddog
    The_Maddog Male 30-39
    3369 posts
    October 28, 2009 at 5:02 pm
    >> like I allready stated, the subject requires further reseach. It is true to say that certain "genes" can be found in all humans. However, the diffrence is down to the gene being active or not. In many cases of the identical twins, certain genes could be found to be active in one twin, but not the other. Those same genes where also found to be active in many homosexuals yet not in their straight counterparts or syblings. Whilst its not 100% proof in certain peoples eyes, it does raise more questions to which answers are required! I`d suggest you start by watching "The Secret Life of Twins" documentry, for example! After that I have at least 18 factual book titles covering genetics and nature. You can make your own mind up after that.

    There is a lot more to it than I`m saying but I really dont want to write a small book about it!

  202. Profile photo of jayme21
    jayme21 Male 18-29
    585 posts
    October 28, 2009 at 5:06 pm
    What Bible says about homosexuality

    WOW this is intense. Can we not just all get along if there wrong they suffer in afterlife. If your wrong you make people feel bad about themselves. Some people are Homosexual c`est la vie It`s interpretation Many passages in bible can be argued ppro or anti gay

  203. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    October 28, 2009 at 7:57 pm
    This selection of articles is a much better source of information about what the Christian bible says about homosexuality, because that BBC one is superficial and almost completely ignores the massive issue of translation. It didn`t even query the extremely poor translation of Leviticus 18:22 that it quoted.

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bi...

    It`s a good website in general - 5 people with wildly different and often mutually exclusive religious views co-write hundreds of articles on religion, attempting to prevent any religious bias in the articles while explaining the various different viewpoints held by different theists.

  204. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    October 28, 2009 at 7:59 pm
    "Google it! C`mon man..I can post a hundred links and it`s still not enough for most people! "

    I did search for it. I found uncertainty, lack of supporting evidence and a lot of different but very clear biases.

    In other words, par for the course for the web.

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    deathxtra Male 13-17
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    October 28, 2009 at 8:44 pm
    goddamn flame wars!
  206. Profile photo of xavroche
    xavroche Male 30-39
    819 posts
    October 28, 2009 at 9:41 pm
    @Genocyde: Ok so you aren`t a bible thumper. I apologize for using "you" in my previous post.

    Just because I was working in Europe when I created this account, doesn`t mean I don`t pay taxes in the US.

    As a moderate libertarian, I find uber libertarians like you border on very dangerous extremism. I get that you cry yourself to sleep when you tally up the taxes you pay each year, but get over it. Quit obsessing about all those people "abusing the system" and stealing your money. America is what it is, and though the budget is far from perfect, there will never be a time when some of our taxes won`t go to pay for some people who can`t afford to live by their own means. If it really bothers you to the point where you have to be a little b%!*% about it and write propesterous things like that you don`t want to "pay for the risky behavior of gay people" then have the balls to just get the f%$! out of here and go to a country where you won`t have to pay for

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    StudentOfMan Male 40-49
    346 posts
    October 28, 2009 at 9:50 pm
    Maddog, until he scientific community identifies the exact gene and then universally acknowledges that to be the only cause of homosexuality, I`ll reserve judgment. That said, this is all a non-issue. So long as no one is trying to jam their penis in my ass, I don`t care; nor should anyone else.

    And stop having parades for Christ`s sake! I love the vag, but you don`t see me putting it on my bumper or marching down Main Street. Anyone ever think that maybe the gay community does just as much to hurt their cause as the religious right does to keep this issue alive? This may come as a surprise to many, but the rest of the world doesn`t really care about your life as we`re too busy living our own. Get over it, we have...

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    StudentOfMan Male 40-49
    346 posts
    October 28, 2009 at 9:58 pm
    And xavroche, you`re not a Libertarian. A true Lib would find issue with federal entitlement programs as it is not explicitly empowered to the federal government to engage in such practices by the US Constitution. Therefore it is a responsibility afforded the individuals states to determine. It`s great to say "If you don`t like it leave.", but those are not the principles the USA was founded under. Like it or not, he has a right to say whatever he wants without the fear of reproach. Unless it`s a disparaging media outlet and your the president...
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    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    October 28, 2009 at 10:05 pm
    And stop having parades for Christ`s sake! I love the vag, but you don`t see me putting it on my bumper or marching down Main Street.

    Meaning the homos, I assume. Funny, same thing happened at the start of last century for votes for women, except we now call them suffragettes, and heroes. Their crime was because women didn`t have the vote, just as gay people don`t have equal rights now.

    /end bigot.

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    xavroche Male 30-39
    819 posts
    October 28, 2009 at 10:39 pm
    @StudentofMan: I`m glad you can define a "true libertarian" in such simple terms but as I`ve already stated I`m a MODERATE libertarian. I hate to pull this card but I do have a Master`s in Political Science so I think I can correctly label my political beliefs, thank you very much.
    I`m glad you think you can correct my political views after such a short paragraph on my part, but I`d rather you just take your pretention and shove it where the sun don`t shine. Libertarianism is a very loose set of principles and cannot be defined as easily as you seem to imply.

    I don`t think you correctly understand what libertarianism is, so here are some basic links so you don`t say something stupid next time:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian...
    http://www.iep.utm.edu/libertar/

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    xavroche Male 30-39
    819 posts
    October 28, 2009 at 10:39 pm

    Also you are wrong, most libertarians would not find issue with federal entitlement because of Constitutional issues, but simply because they believe that strong entitlement programs go against basic free market principles and will not produce greater utility than laissez faire. However saying that you aren`t a libertarian if you aren`t against federal entitlement shows a very narrow and grossly misunderstood view of libertarianism as a political theory.

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    xavroche Male 30-39
    819 posts
    October 28, 2009 at 11:10 pm
    Edit: I was rereading your post and I think you are confusing Constitutionalism with Libertarianism. Constitutionalism is sometimes mislabeled as libertarian.... However they are not one and the same and I am in no way a constitutionalist.

    Whatever the case, I still think you should get your facts straight before you have the audacity to attempt to challenge someone`s self concept.

    To everyone else, sorry about the multiple posts....

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    jayme21 Male 18-29
    585 posts
    October 29, 2009 at 6:04 am
    I like Pie... anyone???
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    Genocyde Male 30-39
    712 posts
    October 29, 2009 at 4:13 pm
    Xavroche: I`m not surprised that you have yet another baseless argument and have reverted to ad hominem attack. The only thing that surprised me was that I`d given you the benefit of the doubt and had figured maybe, what, ten more posts until your entire argument disintegrated?

    For your information, I am an extremist. The Constitution is the basis for this nation and, in case you hadn`t noticed, I`m not leaving because baseline buck passers have continued to fist this country into the ground. You seem to think it`s right but I reserve the right to think it`s not. Deal with it.

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    Genocyde Male 30-39
    712 posts
    October 29, 2009 at 4:17 pm
    Student of Man: Don`t worry, I`m sure that the know-it-all attitude comes from lack of experience. You can`t really tell him any different. I know the type.
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    xavroche Male 30-39
    819 posts
    October 29, 2009 at 5:18 pm
    I see nothing wrong with using ad hominem arguments when I am indeed shocked by the very nature of your beliefs, and therefore the very nature of your character.

    "I`m not leaving because baseline buck passers have continued to fist this country into the ground."

    This is typical old bitter man talk. What does that even mean. Who exactly are you talking about? Where are the stats to back this up. Continued to fist the country into the ground... what are you even talking about? This is random and typical rhetoric that is more preaching than it is real economical/political opinion...

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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    October 29, 2009 at 7:28 pm
    "Funny, same thing happened at the start of last century for votes for women, except we now call them suffragettes, and heroes. Their crime was because women didn`t have the vote, just as gay people don`t have equal rights now.

    /end bigot."

    The suffragettes were mostly bigots themselves and it`s arguable whether they had any effect on the vote being extended again and if so, whether they hastened or delayed it.

    If you want some actual heroes, try the people who started the voting reform movement and achieved the main successes of it. Not the suffragettes, who jumped on the bandwagon at the end, threw masses of their sexism into it and had a policy of assaulting policemen in order to get arrested and play the victim.

    Heroes? No.

    As for the parades thing, I think that`s at best counter-productive and at worst bigoted. So they`re proud of not being straight. Fine. I`ll put them in with the people who are proud of not being black, or whatever.

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    Genocyde Male 30-39
    712 posts
    October 29, 2009 at 7:32 pm
    @Xavroche: Then you can continue to be shocked and appalled...figured you prefer drama.
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    eggmaster Male 13-17
    60 posts
    October 29, 2009 at 8:23 pm
    Gay people are dumb! and unethical! and need to all die!

    /end sarcasm

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    xavroche Male 30-39
    819 posts
    October 30, 2009 at 7:58 pm
    Well I figured that you wouldn`t back your beliefs up with valid data....
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    ryleythompso Male 13-17
    1 post
    November 3, 2009 at 5:34 am
    God isn`t mad at gays. he`s just mad that they found a loop hole. to punish women for their sins they have to give birth and women are made to punish men and gays dont have to deal with any of that!!
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    fanbelt Male 50-59
    49 posts
    November 19, 2009 at 2:45 pm
    Good thing for all of us that Adam and Eve weren`t gay. The End.
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    Keitarohusky Male 13-17
    131 posts
    December 4, 2009 at 2:00 am
    They break many of their own rules (Christians) and ignore that. But when a man of another religion or culture breaks something else they go nuts at them like a Mormon trying to prove he is right although completely wrong. Tis` sad D=
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    gummiskull Female 18-29
    5 posts
    December 24, 2009 at 1:51 pm
    The fact religious scripts is being used to promote any kind of hate is just ridiculous. I`m not religious and even I know that`s the most ungodly thing to use the bible for.

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