2012 Isn`t The End Of The World, Mayans Insist

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091011/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_mexico_apocalypse2012

Good news for superstitious morons!
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Female 1
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Male 712
Anyone else besides me think that the Mayans just finally looked at everything they did and decided to be the Pranksters of History by just saying, "Yanno what? Screw it...let them figure it out. This should be funny as hell anyway."
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Male 345
I agree with Angillion. Never trust someone who gives a simply solution to a complicated problem as they usually are forwarding an agenda.

Throughout history, as we know it, there have been individuals who attempt to create imperative or sensationalism in regard to a situation to make their own involvement seem to have merit. They feed off of the fear they create. Environmentalism, welcome to the new religion and your indoctrination.

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Male 15,510
"2012 Isn`t The End Of The World, Mayans Insist"

Well Duh

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Male 12,365
Zerocyde:

Read this as well:

http://www.daviesand.com/Choices/Precaut...

420,000 years ago was certainly before homo sapiens. So was 325,000 years ago. And 240,000. It`s rather unlikely there were industrial revolutions then. Or 125,000 years ago. A small number of hunter-gatherer humans wouldn`t have had an industrial revolution.

Climate change is real, but much more complicated than it`s often made out to be.

We`re fed one single factor as being the sole cause. No, worse than that. We`re fed one tiny part of one factor (CO2 from technology) as the sole cause. That is politically motivated bullpoo for people to gain power and raise taxes.

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Male 12,365
Oops, I forgot to include my point :)

We can`t usually say that such things are overdue by hundreds (or thousands) of years because they don`t usually occur to a schedule. The only possible exception I can think of is being hit by an asteroid - that`s pretty predictable if you have enough data. But it`s also avoidable if detected far enough in advance - we can alter the path of an asteroid.

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Male 12,365
Subushie has a point because they stated how spectacularly unlikely a coincidence it would be for these things to happen on that date, but in case anyone is worried I`ll give an example. Probably the most famous one - Yellowstone.

It is true that there`s a `supervolcano` there. The eruption of these is actually an explosion caused by a buildup of pressure in a strong container (the hard rock surface of the area). Imagine a welded steel container filled with water which is then heated to boiling point. It will burst. Now scale it up a few billion times. We`re talking 100 mile crater scale here.

Evidence indicates that it has happened 3 times in the last 2.1 million years, with 600,000-800,000 years between them. There have been many smaller eruptions too.

There`s no evidence of massive eruptions before 2.1 million years ago.

Maybe those 3 are the end of the explosions. Maybe it`ll go up next year. Maybe it`ll go up a million years from now.

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Male 3,255
@saintnick

"the world is gonna end in 2012 & man made global warming is real too"

Read this.

Notice how the rise starts at the same time the industrial revolution starts? Explain that then.

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Male 1,646
although, i seriously dont believe the world will end in 2012. it is however, possible. there are about 5 (i think, dont quote me on that) world wide cataclysmic events that have been building up and some are overdue by hundreds of years,(i dont remember all of them, but i do know the super volcano at yellowstone is one, and another is a catastrophic epidemic ). it is possible for human-kind ending events like these to happen in the same year, but the likelihood of something like that happening would be like if you won the lottery every day for two weeks, plausible, but uber unlikely.
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Male 4,680
Angilion - The world needs more reasonable, logical people like you. Keep up the good work!
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Male 3,425
At the end of the day, just remember, every time you talk about 2012, Hollywood makes some more money.
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Male 269
lemmings, rather then argue this one, go ahead & continue to believe, the world is gonna end in 2012 & man made global warming is real too.

oh, to keep the world from ending in 2012, i`m sure someone will be demanding your money very soon, probably the government. i would give them all your money, since you won`t be needing it, if by chance the world doesn`t end, climate change is gonna getcha anyway.

good luck ID10T5

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Male 12,365
"What kind of MORON claimed it was 12/21/2012? wouldn`t it make more sense that it is 12/21/2112? I can`t believe that the Mayans would just throw a 0 in there. Anybody with any intelligence would see it is all 1`s and 2"s"

Just in case you`re being serious:

The Mayans were not using the symbols we use for numbers, nor were they using a decimal year-numbering system dating from a mistaken belief about the year in which Jesus was born, so the 1`s and 2`s in our version of the date are irrelevant.

Expressed in the characters we use, the date would be 12.19.19.17.19, to be followed by 13.0.0.0.0

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Male 12,365
"I am a believer in the cosmic world, we are born to die - so do not try to debunk me with your logic of not believing the Mayan religion or creation story."

Since you don`t care that you`re contradicting yourself and you don`t attach any value to rational thought, there`s no point in continuing. You are merely expressing your baseless faith, as many others have done. You could just be honest and stop pretending there`s any evidence underpinning it - it is purely your faith.

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Male 90
Angilion,

Part 2

well as the beliefs of the Hopi Indians, with the changing of the zodiac ages all stating the same thesis, all converging with in the same time frame each documented at separate times not interrelated, all having to do with mankind making a change for a better future.

I will never know for sure, unless when I die there is reincarnation and I remember this world, but I believe it will happen.

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Male 90
Davymid,

I am totally mental

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Male 90
Angilion,

I am not stating that the world is or will be coming to an end in doom and gloom destruction like these "end of day" theists.
I am stating that world will experience a change for the better. It is the end of the world as we know it, so to speak. We have gone through materialism and world warfare - yes this taking place for thousand of years but more globally in the last century. This will end, probably not in our life time as the transition is over a course of a cycle of 5000 years to come. But the next generations of people will not suffer like the past generations.

I am a believer in the cosmic world, we are born to die - so do not try to debunk me with your logic of not believing the Mayan religion or creation story. I believe that there is truth in the fact that ancient civilizations are able to in vision what the future will be. The Mayan prophecies and the ability to have such an accurate time keeper are worth considering, as well as the beliefs

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Male 15,832
They`re just saying this to keep all the janitors and garbage collectors working so the $#!+ won`t pile up before the end of days.
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Female 5,222
:O
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Male 12,365
Geoman:

I`m not seeing how your post is a reply to my point that the existence of greed, natural disaster and wars is not a new thing and is not evidence of the immiment end of anything.

Your post seems to be a typical expression of faith - if anything happens, you can attach it to the prophecy date and if nothing happens you`ve got that covered as well with your comment about a marker in the cycle of time.

You claim to believe in this very recent corruption of the Mayan calendar.

Do you believe in the Mayan creation story, the Mayan starting point for the calendar and the Mayan religious belief of the importance of a cycle of 13 baktun?

If the answer to any of those questions is `no`, then you are talking self-contradictory rubbish.

If the answer to all of them is `yes`, then you are following a very modern religion stemming from a corruption of Mayan religion, but your rubbish has some internal consistency. Join the rest of the "end of days!" theists.

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Male 12,138
Geoman, you`re a little bit mental, aren`t you?
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Male 90
"That`s been true throughout recorded history and probably before then. Why should the next date people have made up be any different to the millenia before now?"

The cycle is based on 5000 years plus - the Eygptian empire began to take shape in 3000 BC, it no longer exsists. There is advancement and change with in the cycle it self. We are not the same civilization or society we were a millenia ago - but we have evolved having reached the end. There is change on the horizon and it will not be apparent to anyone on 12-21-12 as this is only a marker in a cycle of time. It happens to fall on a winter solistice - how this winter solstice is different then the year before. Its like you have a birthday every year - on your 18th birthday your suppose to become a man (in certain cultures or societies) its a marker in your life cycle. Some boys are already men at 16 yo others not till they are older then 18 yo - but eventually you grow from boy to man.

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Male 86
You know mass hysteria is a bad thing, but redirecting fear into positive directions could change the world as we know it. Maybe 2012 could be used as a turning point for humanity--an end of things as they are so to speak... Perhaps the perception that "the end is near" could be a powerful tool to motivate people to live like they`re not going to live forever and start treating each other with dignity, respect, love and compassion...

Or... What the hell am I thinking? People don`t get motivated to do that in times of crisis--people become more self-centered...

NVM.

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Male 12,365
"Do people even know what the Mayan calendar is based off of?
I`ll give you a hint, read up on Revelations 9.7, and observe the face in the middle and the design on the outermost circle."

I`ll give you a hint - the Mayan long count calendar predates Judaism and therefore couldn`t possibly be based on it.

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Male 12,365
"Many cultures along with the Mayans have predicted that there is an end of the world as we know it and a begining of a new world. There will be much greed, natural disaster and wars before the coming of the end of this time. As we have been experiencing through the decades."

That`s been true throughout recorded history and probably before then. Why should the next date people have made up be any different to the millenia before now?

"The date of 12-21-2012 - is not the date you will see the change but a date in a solar calendar, being the winter solstice, as a point in time where this transition will take place."

There`s a winter solstice every year, so that`s hardly unique to 2012.

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Female 1,283
Do people even know what the Mayan calendar is based off of?
I`ll give you a hint, read up on Revelations 9.7, and observe the face in the middle and the design on the outermost circle.
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Male 90
Many cultures along with the Mayans have predicted that there is an end of the world as we know it and a begining of a new world. There will be much greed, natural disaster and wars before the coming of the end of this time. As we have been experiencing through the decades.
Not of Mayan belief, but this is the ending of the age of Pisces and the new world to come under the age of Aquarius. This will be a time of human compassion and unity, this also noted in many cultures dating back hundreds and thousands of years.
The date of 12-21-2012 - is not the date you will see the change but a date in a solar calendar, being the winter solstice, as a point in time where this transition will take place. We are already in the process of this transition of CHANGE.

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Male 12,365
I`d like to emphasise that the Mayan long count calendar can have no meaning to anyone who does not believe in ancient Mayan religion.

Unless you count the years starting from 5123 years ago, the cycle of the calendar is meaningless.

Does anyone who believes this "Mayan 2012" bull count the years do that? Do you consider this to be year 5123? I bet you don`t.

Even if you did, you might be wrong anyway. People don`t agree on when year 1 was for the Mayan calendar, so we can`t even be sure when their long count cycle will finish, as we can`t be sure when it started.

This is such ludicrous bullpoo. The idea that aliens live in Nevada and run the Earth through secret conspiracies is more plausible.

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Male 12,365
"Has anyone ever thought that the reason the Mayan calendar ends in 2012 was that they couldn`t be bothered to write down any more? Seriously people... "

i) The Mayan calendar DOES NOT END IN 2012.

ii) The cycles are a result of the standard notation they used for writing dates. Using a standard 4-digit decimal notation for years would give you a 10,000 year cycle (from the beginning of year 1 to the end of year 9999). The Mayan standard notation was more complicated, but the same thing applies - there is a limit to how many numbers can be addressed in a standard number of digits. That`s all.

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Male 12,365
"Quote: the poles might change location by one degree over a million years
Woah! That`s Totally false!
Makes the rest of the article seem like fluff too."

Are you referring to the magnetic poles or the geographical poles? Or the geomagnetic poles? Are you sure that you`re referring to the same poles as the article?

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Male 339
Has anyone ever thought that the reason the Mayan calendar ends in 2012 was that they couldn`t be bothered to write down any more? Seriously people...
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Female 931
Right.
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Male 2,582
" Good news for superstitious morons! "
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Took the text right out of my mind!
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Male 216
its not going to end on 2012 but reading this article gives me little faith in the article itself. All the refrences they have arent very creditable plus they have no bibliography to have us refer to. Yahoo fails.
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Male 150
The world`s not gonna end. I`m just gonna dominate it.
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Male 12,365
People have been predicting the end of the world for millenia. Guess what? It`s still here.

The only difference with the 2012 thing is that some people have attempted to retrofit some superficial pretense of science onto the prediction, whereas in the past it was mostly religion used that way.

All that`s actually true is that the Mayans had several calendars and a general fascination with astronomy.

The date only makes any sense if you believe in the Mayan religious creation story, *because that`s when the long count calendar starts*. If you don`t believe in that, the date has no significance at all. People often overlook calendar start points because we all only use one.

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Male 25,416
its not gonna end anytime soon, but when it does its going to be your fault!
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Male 126
i dont give a crap about this!
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Male 1
What kind of MORON claimed it was 12/21/2012? wouldn`t it make more sense that it is 12/21/2112? I can`t believe that the Mayans would just throw a 0 in there. Anybody with any intelligence would see it is all 1`s and 2"s
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Male 37,783
Quote: the poles might change location by one degree over a million years
Woah! That`s Totally false!
Makes the rest of the article seem like fluff too.
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Female 1,604
Watch the episode of Penn & Tellers bullsh*t it also says how that is not what the Mayans believe.
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Male 5,314
people are so retarded.
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Male 312
Duh
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Male 9,306
Why do people keep turning to the Mayans for this stuff? I mean it`s a miracle people don`t start freaking out when they reach OCTOBER in their own calendars and say "OH GOD! THE CALENDAR IS ENDING! THE END OF THE WORLD IS COMING!" and race over to the nearest mall for reassurance and peace of mind.

It`s a goddamned calendar made in the days where people sacrificed each other to appease gods. Chill the hell out.

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Male 716
2012 is not a guarunteed end of the world, though humans may make it so if they don`t stop being idiots.

Clean up after yourselves when you mess up the envioronment and just let North Korea kill themselves! There. No problems.

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Male 1,381
the year 4772? can you IMAGINE what that would be like if mankind (somehow) survived that long? we went from horse-drawn carriages to spaceflight in under a hundred years.

meh, I think we`ll kill ourselves in the next hundred or so anyway. just hold off until I see my grandkids, kay guys? :- )

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Male 12
Long story short if it happens it happens!

Its not like we would be able to save ourselfs from the end of the world because its like slayer50515 said IF THE WORLD WAS ENDING THERE WOULD BE KNOWHERE TO RUN! Everyone needs to lay off the bong and stop being paranoid!

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Female 1,412
ive been saying this for ages! thanks iab ;D
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Male 138
MOAR! I NEED MOAR REASSURANCE!
No matter how many times I hear stuff that disproves it, something in my brain says, in a Scarface-like voice, "Hey f*ck joo mine!"
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Male 3,425
And after that, we have 2015 or 2023 or whatever other date some crackpot comes up with to look forward to, and the whole cycle starts again...
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Male 3,425
This is what I`ve been saying for ages, people are so stupid. As this article said, the only mention of the date 21st December 2012 is that it`s a celebration for the mayans. And then everyone and their grandmother jumped to the conclusion that the Mayans predicted the world would end in 2012 (which they didn`t). Then people starting looking for non-existent scientific phenomena (like pole shift or Planet X) and then saying they will happen on 2012 (which they have no proof for). Then people start linking the Bible and Nostrdamus and god knows how many other stupid things to the date (even though there are actually no links) and suddenly there is a whole number of stupid theories. And on December 21st 2012, people will panic and buy emergency generators and bottled water, and news stations will do reports on it, and the whole thing will be a huge mess. And then everyone will wake up the next day and be fine, if not slightly pissed off they wasted their money, and continue with life.
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Male 1,093
yeah, reminds me of the y2k bug. I remember the episode of family guy about it. I wonder if south park, family guy, or simpson is going to make something out of 2012.
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Male 988
The Maddog, thankfully I was young enough NOT to remember that, but at least I have my intelligence and sanity, unlike the vast majority of conspiracy theorists. They`re missing one or the other, or sometimes both.

It`s sad however, that I expect more people will die from this idiocracy that fuels this consternation than the actual "event" itself.

Oh, and I have to add this in, just because few ever really think about this; If the world is going to end, why the hell would you shelter yourself? The WORLD is ending you twit, not the surface or just one specific area. You`re screwed 6 ways `til sunday no matter where you are.

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Female 459
Personally, I can`t wait until 2012 so I can laugh in all of the idiots faces.

And if anyone is Christian here on I-A-B (which seems unlikely, but, you know) not even the angels know.

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Male 1,442
You know I bet most people wouldn`t know or care about 2012 if it wasn`t being brung into the spotlight by so many people sayng it is not true. If you just agnore it, then it will go away... though it is so populer now it would take three years of agnoring.
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Male 1,190
The morons are the ones who do not undertsand the full import of the changing of cycles, the Christo-Fascist mindset of Death changed a celebration from one age to another into "The End of the World!"

I really hope the Rapture is going to happen at some point, the idea of living in a world without Xian Fundies fills my heart with joy! And maybe we could convince him to take the Islamo-Fascists too! And for the hat trick take the Corporate Capitalists too, their form of Fundamentalism has wrecked the world.

Yours in looking forward to being Left Behind,
Star*Dagger

P.S. If you want a real laugh, watch the movie "Left Behind", what a joke these people are!

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Male 10,440
I bet thats gonna be a bad movie. An hour an a half of destruction, no progression, drowning in religious overtones, no moral, logically implausible around every corner, 90% special effects, 10% bullcrap and 0% meaning.
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Male 7,933
so no doomsday pool party?
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Female 1,578
Really xmastree_ph? You haven`t heard anything about 2012? It`s all over the internet, there is a movie coming out about it.....
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Male 1,485
i think the majority of the people here know that the end of the earth will not come in 2012, im i right
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Male 416
"I`m pig sick of this 2012 crap"

What 2012 crap? I`ve heard nothing. 2000 was everywhere, but the only thing I`ve heard about in 2012 is the Olympics and that dodgy logo.

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Male 1,011
I love conspiracy theorists...they are so narcissistic and entertaining..

"ONLY I could figure this out! Damn Sheeple!"

But other than that...wow, if you honestly believe this crap, you are...special :)

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Male 1,357
Kahedro.
Roughly.
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Male 3,369
I`m pig sick of this 2012 crap. The worlds not going to end. Its going to go on exactly the same, you know just like all the other times we have been told "The end is nigh".

It still think 2000 was funny with people swearing blind that nukes where gonna launch and planes where gonna falll out of the sky etc etc at the turn of midnight!

Fun times with morons!

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Male 3,619
*phew*

I feel safe from... nothing now

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Male 28
Wasn`t the Earth supposed to end 50,000 times already?
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Male 2,422
Link: 2012 Isn`t The End Of The World, Mayans Insist [Rate Link] - Good news for superstitious morons!
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