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  1. Profile photo of LazyMe484
    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    September 29, 2009 at 8:35 am
    Link: Were You A Bad Child? Are You Dumb Now? - The two probably go hand-in-hand. Children who were spanked then are stupid now. Were you spanked as a kid? Is it true?
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    brianlance Male 30-39
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    September 29, 2009 at 9:11 am
    Correlation does not imply causation
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    Fizzlez Male 18-29
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    September 29, 2009 at 9:11 am
    Who wants a bunch of smart non-nice individual kids anyways
  4. Profile photo of LazyMe484
    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    September 29, 2009 at 9:15 am
    I disagree with this article. Spanking and lower IQ have a common cause.
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    aznclueless Male 18-29
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    September 29, 2009 at 9:23 am
    what about spanking adults?
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    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    September 29, 2009 at 9:25 am
    That must make my wife a complete idiot.
    I spank her almost every night.
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    Vhreio Male 30-39
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    September 29, 2009 at 9:26 am
    No, it`s acting like a little non-nice individual that makes you stupid.
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    pmarren Male 40-49
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    September 29, 2009 at 9:28 am
    I was never spanked - and I`m a dumbass. There goes that study, straight down the drain.
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    akabane Male 18-29
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    September 29, 2009 at 9:35 am
    thats just stupid. as a kid, i was never spanked, but a friend of the family spanked his kids, and they are geniuses. This thing is so wrong
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    mugwug Female 18-29
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    September 29, 2009 at 9:35 am
    so the kids that were spanked are dumb but the kids that werent are brats who want everything for nothing? hmmmm pick the lesser of two evils i guess... (yes i know there are exceptions)
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    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
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    September 29, 2009 at 9:40 am
    So they never thought that the kids who got spanked might be the same ones who didn`t pay attention in school?
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    Tavillion Male 18-29
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    September 29, 2009 at 9:54 am
    IQ of 133, was spanked as a child. I could be an outlier, but I doubt it.
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    AlfishKK Female 18-29
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    September 29, 2009 at 10:02 am
    Nice going, IAB, bring the "to spank or not to spank" discussion in here.

    There are so many other factors at play here--how often were they spanked? For what reasons? How did the parent act (angry, amused, bored)?

    Or maybe stupid kids just misbehave more.

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    shunpo_31 Male 18-29
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    September 29, 2009 at 10:05 am
    they`ve got it backwards. my dad beat me like a rug, and i`m hoping to begin my Ph.D. program in a year.

    my parents conveniently did NOT beat my little brother and sister. they are now a dishwasher at steak and shake and a cake-maker, respectively.

    :- p

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    dave32891 Male 18-29
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    September 29, 2009 at 10:16 am
    this is totally backwards. im living proof its wrong
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    CheeseMan1 Male 18-29
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    September 29, 2009 at 10:24 am
    "the only way to make this type of study infallible is to randomly assign children into spanked and unspanked groups -- which wouldn`t be ethical."

    I am SO tired of ethics getting in the way of science. I can`t wait until we abandon such primitive things and get REAL advancement. ho`s with me?

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    nirosaki Female 18-29
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    September 29, 2009 at 10:27 am
    "ho`s with me?"

    D:

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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    September 29, 2009 at 10:43 am
    So we`re supposed to believe a blurb on some random website with the starting caption that suggests we can use this tidbit of information to amuse the friends we drink with?
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    ShadowDD13 Male 18-29
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    September 29, 2009 at 10:46 am
    to shunpo 31, you can still have a low IQ and get into college or a phd program, you just gotta work harder for it

    maybe your brother and sister are just idiots with high IQs who didnt work hard enough in school so they are paying for it now

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    ShadowRyder Male 18-29
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    September 29, 2009 at 10:47 am
    "ho`s with me?"

    D:
    ==============

    D:

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    shunpo_31 Male 18-29
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    September 29, 2009 at 11:01 am
    lol shadow, you have a terribly valid point, as reluctant as i am to admit it
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    September 29, 2009 at 11:21 am
    I was spanked, and so far seem to be the only one who understands that doesn`t undermine the study.

    However, it might simply imply that lower IQ parents are more likely to employ baser means of controlling their children. Lower IQ parents in turn may suggest lower IQ children, with the IQ only being emergent once they get a little older.

    I would however suggest a study is done on whether spanked kids are happier. I`d imagine they are, for the simple reason that bad behaviour gets a 3 second smack as opposed to a discussion on their self worth.

    "You are a naughty child, sit on the naughty step".

    Psychological warfare and passive aggressive behaviour is not parenting.

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    Odyne Female 30-39
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    September 29, 2009 at 11:24 am
    Oh bull. Sounds like junk science to me.

    I can line up five people in the middle of August and have them each chew gum. Wow my study says gum chewing causes sweating! 0.o

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    IslandLotus Female 18-29
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    September 29, 2009 at 11:44 am
    Ummm, couldn`t it be that the kids who get spanked need the discipline more than the children with higher I.Q.s. I didn`t get spanked much because I was a well-behaved child who observed and listened. I have a higher I.Q. than my siblings who needed more discipline because they wouldn`t sit still, listen and use reasoning skills. I think the spanking wasn`t the cause, but rather needed because of the behaviors of early poor I.Q. My unscientific observation.
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    pomunium Female 13-17
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    September 29, 2009 at 11:52 am
    instead of your spanking causing a stupid kid, maybe you`re dumbass kid needed a smack.
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    supersmall Male 18-29
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    September 29, 2009 at 12:49 pm
    Hey my parents clipped my lug when I deserved it and it taught me respect.
    This was before all these reports came pouring out that it was bad for your child to hit them.
    I think the use of other psychological teaching/punishing on your kid is a lot more scarring then the occasional spanking. when you get spanked there is no two ways around it, you`ve done something wrong and it has a painful repercussion and you instantly regret it rather than attempt to keep pushing your parents buttons in order to get a real emotional response from them.
    PS. My IQ is just fine, so I`m told
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 29, 2009 at 12:50 pm
    I sincerely doubt the cause and effect relationship is valid in this study.

    Spanked a lot with a 150 IQ, Here.

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    supersmall Male 18-29
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    September 29, 2009 at 12:51 pm
    oh and don`t get me started on the validity of an IQ rating!
  29. Profile photo of LazyMe484
    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    September 29, 2009 at 1:06 pm
    I am SO tired of ethics getting in the way of science. I can`t wait until we abandon such primitive things and get REAL advancement. ho`s with me?

    I`m with you! I`m also against people who blurt out their IQ as if it means anything. If you`re intelligent, we`ll know, based on what you say.

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    ElDavo Male 18-29
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    September 29, 2009 at 1:18 pm
    This is some new-agey bullpoo. If we can agree that kids are being spanked less, which they are, then how are they also getting dumber compared to previous generations?
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    Tay-Dor Male 40-49
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    September 29, 2009 at 1:48 pm
    I got spanked. I tested in the high percentile in standard tests.

    This is just another look at how the left is increasingly trying to control all facets of our lives.

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    Samsquanch Male 30-39
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    September 29, 2009 at 2:57 pm
    I don`t think spanking lowers IQs...I think stupid kids just get spanked.
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    razlem Male 13-17
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    September 29, 2009 at 3:25 pm
    Lol, I`m actually in Mensa. I wasn`t necessarily a bad child, but I got spanked a few times.

    So....no. It`s not true.

  34. Profile photo of CheeseMan1
    CheeseMan1 Male 18-29
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    September 29, 2009 at 3:30 pm
    Oh, and also, this is a case of correlation vs. causation. There are so many other factors that go with spanking that just looking at that one aspect will create an unrealistic relationship. Spanking almost surely has next to no impact on IQ (which can be debated over its usefulness anyway), the only way it can really affect a child is an entire lifestyle, which might just be indicated by the spanking or lack thereof.

    Also, I am so tired of people posting their stories and claiming that it`s proof that something leads to something else. Guess what? ONE CASE DOESN`T LEAD TO A RESULT. Heck, even an entire forum of people agreeing with each other doesn`t lead to a proper result - it just shows a few experiences. They might be a slight indication, but you can`t say your one experience proves what is good or bad. Once again, way too many factors.

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    angelicamber Female 18-29
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    September 29, 2009 at 3:38 pm
    I was spanked but I`m pretty smart...so eh
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    TopperHey Male 18-29
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    September 29, 2009 at 4:05 pm
    What CheeseMan1 said.
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    simim23 Female 18-29
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    September 29, 2009 at 4:22 pm
    I don`t even see how the two correlate.

    It`s a reinforcement procedure: you screw up, you get spanked. Then you figure out that you`d rather not get spanked, and you don`t do whatever it is you were doing anymore, or you figure out a way to get away with it.

    The only possible reason I can think of, is perhaps some kids are so disobedient/stupid that parents resort to spanking because time-out/grounding just doesn`t get the idea through the kid`s head.

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    phattiger Male 18-29
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    September 29, 2009 at 5:01 pm
    Last time i check IQ has nothing to do with how you comprehend things. No if children being spanked forgot shapes and stuff id believe it. Besides IQ tests have different outcomes most of the time.
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    mehh Female 18-29
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    September 29, 2009 at 5:02 pm
    I was spanked. It never hurt I just felt bad because I knew I`d done something wrong. Pretty much the same as time out. I do disagree with parents who spank hard enough for it to hurt. That`s unnecessary
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    lockedup Female 18-29
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    September 29, 2009 at 6:24 pm
    I was spanked and I`m about to get a bachelor`s in Mathematics...
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    IkeRay Male 18-29
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    September 29, 2009 at 6:36 pm
    spanking does not make you dumber...

    my household was very much like malcolm in the middle, chaotic most of the time, lots of mom yelling, but unlike TV, we were spanked quite often and with a variety of items. I personally got the spatula more than once (always broke on us), vacuum cord (now THAT hurts), dog chain leash, and of course the belt and bare hands. I have not lost my intelligence neither have my 7 siblings...

    cheeseman is spot on, its a correlation not a causation. in general, stupid kids don`t get recognized for school work, so they act out in a bad way and get spanked (punished). they didn`t LOSE IQ, they just never had it. smart kids do well in school and thus don`t act out for attention (generally) and thus don`t get punished as often. my case, I had 7 siblings, so we acted out for attention because we weren`t getting any since we all did exceptional in school, if that makes sense.

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    keith2 Male 18-29
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    September 29, 2009 at 7:27 pm
    i got my ass WHUPPED, i mean belts shoes big wooden spoons switches whatever you name it i got my ass beat with it... but i am DEFINATELY not dumb because of it. Dumb people didn`t just design and simulate a simple (but working!) 8-bit CPU from scratch last week. Take that made up article writer.
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    hwkiller Male 18-29
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    September 29, 2009 at 7:58 pm
    Maybe stupid kids do stupid things, and thus get spanked.

    Just a thought.

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    britt566 Female 18-29
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    September 29, 2009 at 8:05 pm
    I only got spanked a few times.

    One of them was when I was about to put a car key into electrical outlet. I was like 1 or 2 years old though.

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    hwkiller Male 18-29
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    September 29, 2009 at 8:12 pm
    Oh, also, if anything, I doubt it would be related to IQ.

    One possible intervening variable would be the self-efficacy factor.
    If you spank a kid, they may feel like they can`t do anything right.
    Then, of course, they don`t do well on a test.

    But I`m going with stupid kids do stupid things.

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    Hylian4Hire Female 18-29
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    September 29, 2009 at 8:35 pm
    If you get spanked enough, you will get smarter. After I finished reading Sun Tsu`s "Art of War" as a kid I hid all my father`s police-issue belts and paddles and cataloged his physical weaknesses. My father is now somewhat afraid of me.
    Beatings don`t make stupid kids. They make interesting family dinners 15 years later.
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    snargh Male 18-29
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    September 29, 2009 at 9:40 pm
    im pretty stupid, i dont even remember how often i got spanked. i did horriblely academically all up until college, and then i dunno i somehow find myself working towards a phd in physics. my IQ is like 66, i dont try very hard neithers but still do fine...everything "even kittens" are bullpoo just do what makes you happy and stop comparing proverbial dick sizes. I can`t change the fact im a moron, its genes or whatever. Some of you are dumb too, but some of you are smart its as arbitrary as height. Yet even some short people play in the NBA and are valued for more than their verticalness. man tht took way to much of my little brain to figure al that out nonethless type words....
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    CptWolf Male 18-29
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    September 29, 2009 at 9:45 pm
    I was spanked occasionally when I was younger, yet my IQ is 144. I`m calling BS on their study. Unless of course my IQ could have been even higher. I was always told why I was being spanked though. I understood that I had done something wrong and why it was wrong. So I guess in that way, my experience is different from others. Seems more to me that it`s not the act of spanking that`s causing the lower IQs, it`s the lack of communication.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    September 29, 2009 at 10:15 pm
    I`m calling bullpoo. There are WAY to many confounding variables here. I would wager that these "researchers" are a bunch of anti-spanking advocates, and SHAZAM! their "study" found exactly what they were looking for.
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    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    September 29, 2009 at 11:44 pm
    Yes I was. No it`s not.
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    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    September 29, 2009 at 11:45 pm
    > snargh
    > I can`t change the fact im a moron

    It takes a brave mad to say that. Stupid, but brave. Brings a tear to my eye.

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    Jilana Female 13-17
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    September 30, 2009 at 12:21 am
    I like how everyone who got spanked suddenly want to chime in with their IQ level.
    For one thing, most psychologists don`t see IQ as a reliable measure of intelligence anymore.
    More importantly, if we want to whine about the validity of this study, why do you think you, as an uncontrolled, isolated incident, provide any evidence against the theory? Science laughs in your face.
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    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    September 30, 2009 at 1:10 am
    > Jilana
    > most psychologists don`t see IQ as a reliable measure of intelligence anymore

    Scored low did we?

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    BunnyNaku Female 18-29
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    September 30, 2009 at 3:54 am
    :P
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    bloostarfish Female 18-29
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    September 30, 2009 at 5:06 am
    We were spanked by our parents when we did something horribly stupid (we were warned beforehand, btw, that if we continuously did that, we`d be taught a lesson). It`s a case to case basis really. Some parents would just spank their kids without a valid reason or frustration. In some instances this, I believe, lowers a child`s morale, social skills, etc.
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    dreddloxx Male 70 & Over
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    September 30, 2009 at 5:10 am
    Mi muvver uzed too beet mi awl da tiim,boot it neva ghot in da way off mi jobe ass a brian sturgeon...
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    Spambot3000 Male 18-29
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    September 30, 2009 at 6:36 am
    Ai waz spankkd as a yong bhoy annd ai aint dumm
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    Thorna_Kate Female 18-29
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    September 30, 2009 at 7:45 am
    I was violently beaten and abused as a child... And now I am doing an arts degree. I say the article was right! LOL.
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    GRadde Male 18-29
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    September 30, 2009 at 7:55 am
    Never been spanked, but socially semi-incompetent. ^^ Where does that put me?
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    pierceb3 Male 50-59
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    September 30, 2009 at 9:57 am
    What a load of hooey. Spanked when I deserved it and am a now member of MENSA with two doctorate degrees
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    IkeRay Male 18-29
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    September 30, 2009 at 10:06 am
    > Jilana
    > most psychologists don`t see IQ as a reliable measure of intelligence anymore

    so, are they planning on renaming it from "intelligence quotient" to "random test we now give"? next you`re going to tell me Rorschach test are a better test of intelligence not just emotional state...

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    hatti369 Female 18-29
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    September 30, 2009 at 10:54 am
    I think this study is ridiculous and obviously not valid. My brother and some of my best friends were spanked as kids and they have higher IQ`s than anyone I know. They are in the highest math and science classes there are in college. On the other hand I know plenty of people who weren`t spanked and they are some of the dumbest kids I know.
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    Linkenberger Male 18-29
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    September 30, 2009 at 5:50 pm
    Well, who knows, unspanked kids might have a higher IQ, but generally speaking, spanked kids are more mature, get better grades, get into less trouble and have more respect for authority.

    Your call, IAB.

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    leahers Female 18-29
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    September 30, 2009 at 8:05 pm
    this is a load of crap
    i totally agree with linkenberger

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