The Gays Fight the Marriage Fire With Fire [Pic]

Submitted by: fancylad 8 years ago in

See stuffy conservatives, the Bible works both ways.
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Female 357
according to my bible studies teacher, the only explicitly anti-gay passage in the bible is about an orgy

where everyone was having sex with everyone, and god codemned THAT, not homosexuality per se

also, the bible says not to mix fabrics, and that we can`t eat certain "unclean" animals such as pigs. and that if a man is trying to rape another man, we should offer our own daughter instead

the bible is full of rubbish, really =]

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Female 106
` "If you dont like gay marriage, dont get one"
If you don`t like rape, then don`t do it.`

that is a stupid argument.

you are trying to equated a crime with a social priveligde moron

rape is bad because it infringes on the right of another person not to be raped.

whether or not heff and jose want to tie the knot does not affect the rights anyone but them. it may infringe on the principles of a religion but that is not the same f*cking thing

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Female 400
Tazman321, I think you`re missing the point.

The sign`s meant to point out the /hypocrisy/ of those who get on homosexuals for `going against the Bible` and being gay.

i.e. You can`t hear one thing and not another.
As you said.

... And for the record, I don`t think a lot of homosexuals care whether or not the bible supports their lifestyle.

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Female 665
"Honestly, I wish the concept of religion didn`t exist in the first place."

Amen to that, pikajens!


....poo, I really did not try to do that.

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Male 7
@tazman The same argument can be made for the gays too. The passages regarding Sodom are also from the old testamnent. There are no ant-gay passages in the new testament. Basically, if religous christians want to use the argument "God doesn`t like gays" they also have to say "God doesn`t like any laws that contradict the bible".

Honestly, I wish the concept of religion didn`t exist in the first place.

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Male 189
whoever has this sign obviously hasnt read the bible. the new testament abandoned the more violent aspects of the bible. and also, the bible says gays are bad, too. cant hear one thing and not another.
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Male 67
I love how completely out of context that sign is.
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Male 3
I looked up the verse that this describes and it actually says that if a man finds out that his wife was sleeping around (aka being a whore) before they got married then if the father can`t prove she is a virgin then she is killed. so pretty much if you are a whore then you shall be killed.
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Female 227
"If you dont like gay marriage, dont get one"

If you don`t like rape, then don`t do it.

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Female 89
I hate this prejudiced view on catholics, we`re not all right wing bible thumping jerks! Go gays, funny as!
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Male 3,310
"... thus you shall purge the evil from Israel..."

Um, seems like it`s talking about a different country than here. Hard to purge the evil from Israel in American. But people always love to take bible verses out of context. So you get to believe whatever you want. The bible is just a stage prop.

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Male 3,631
Yes it DOES `anti-bigot;` apparently, anything not written in modern American-standard English is beyond your comprehension:

"22:20 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:
22:21 Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father`s house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father`s house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you."

Awesome tactic, by the way. There should be more of this. Religionists of that particular persuasion are damned by their actions on a regular basis, and its time they experience the shame commensurate with their hypocrisy.

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Male 181
The Catechism of the Catholic Church addresses a lot of the content brought up in many current debates from homosexuality to abortion. I am not going to advocate nor debate whether Catholics are right or wrong; I just wanted to clarify some of the issues and say where the statements I made are contained.

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Female 54
If you dont like gay marriage, dont get one
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Male 181
I personally think this whole debate is silly.

First, to those saying that Christians can`t oppose gay marriage/intercourse while defending pre-marital or extra-marital sex; yes, you are right. What the Church teaches is NOT homosexuals go to hell, but rather that sexual intercourse should ONLY occur between a married couple with the intention of conceiving a child.

So in reality, even married couples using a condom or birth control are going against the Church`s teachings.

Now, to address the argument that Christians ignore the Old Testament (anything before Jesus), this is not true. Jesus says in the gospels, "I come not to destroy the old law but to fulfill it" Matt. 5:17-19.

So does this mean Jesus wants us to stone non-virgins and homosexuals? No. In fact he stops the stoning of a woman accused of adultery: John 8:2-11.

Before the flames start, I have nothing against homosexual people and even if I did, I have no right to impose my beliefs upon them.

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Male 1
Misquote - Deuteronomy 22:13-21 does not say this - look it up!

Shame on you so-called rationalists for not checking the facts, because it confirms your prejudices.

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Male 214
clever. too bad its all just fairy tales.
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Female 3
Friday, September 18, 2009 6:57:06 PM
"ok...personaly i dont see the point here, i believe that you should marry a virgin anyway so this doesnt really mean much at all"

And you honestly agree that women who are no longer virgins should be KILLED? Seriously?

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Female 4
LoveMexicola, I totally agree with you.
flipNhigh, you want girls who have pre-marital sex to be STONED!?!?!?

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...

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Male 194
ok...personaly i dont see the point here, i believe that you should marry a virgin anyway so this doesnt really mean much at all
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Female 1,283
Friday, September 18, 2009 1:11:31 PM
"People need to learn to leave their "all powerful" deities out of politics. If their deity has a problem with it, let the deity themself make it known. An "all powerful" deity does not need human minions running around with their varying interpretations, harassing people in its name. It can harass who it chooses, and if it isn`t harassing select people on it`s own, the chances are that it doesn`t want them to be harassed."

Words of genius from Pilanus. This is why people like the Pope get in power =|
(I`m Christian, so I do know what I`m talking about)

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Female 239
even the Bible works both ways!
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Male 438
Ohhhhh burn!
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Female 140
I`m not gonna go all atheist on you guys, but people should be able to do what they want as long as it doesnt harm anyone else. If gays want to get married, then they should have the freedom to do that, whether other people like it or not. Because no one else has the right to tell someone else what to do tbh (as long as they`re not harming anyone else)

Religion doesn`t even have anything to do with this.

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Male 674
*sigh*

"To each his day is given. Beyond recall, man`s little time runs by: but to prolong life`s glory by great deeds is virtue`s power."

Hey look, I can quote 2000 year old books too. That doesn`t mean I should make my interpretation of it into a legally binding document that affects millions of people, some of which may disagree with my interpretation.

People need to learn to leave their "all powerful" deities out of politics. If their deity has a problem with it, let the deity themself make it known. An "all powerful" deity does not need human minions running around with their varying interpretations, harassing people in its name. It can harass who it chooses, and if it isn`t harassing select people on it`s own, the chances are that it doesn`t want them to be harassed.

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Male 256
So carry on with your jokes and laughter about your misunderstanding of what this all says and if you want I will break it down as best as I can but I do not think you want to read all of that, So sorry if you think I am a Joke. I am out there and I do believe in Jehovah God, Jesus Christ and the Holy spirit. sorry I do get upset when you make jokes about My GOD
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Male 256
You wanna know my VIEW on this. I am going to Follow These laws as best as I can. with all my heart honestly I get mad when my whole hearted beliefs are challenged with disrespect and sarcasm. Even still I try to suck it up and go on being a CHRISTian even though I am angry. I am sorry for all the people who have made CHRISTians look bad but Honestly we are all people and we want to be respected. I know I an not going to change your mind but at least I have the Guts to follow something that all in all makes me a Better person eventhough you make fun of what you simply DO NOT UNDERSTAND In the Koran all a man has to do is accuse his wife of infidelity and she will be imprisoned for the rest of her life. but you all are not on here making fun of that. It is more proof to me that the Bible IS the ONLY word of the MOST HIGH GOD, JEHOVAH. All in all I cannot change you mind and you cannot change mine but at least I am not making fun of you. >>to be continued<<
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Male 256
23If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;

24Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour`s wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.

25But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die.

26But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:

27For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.

28If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;

29Then the man that lay with her shal

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Male 256
okay I see there is a twist on the understanding of what is being said here. This Law only applies to the isrealites when they reach the promise land. These are the Laws of GOD to remail pure and without sin. Now we have Jesus Christ to free us from our sin becuase the actual laws of GOD seem strange to our misguided way of thinking, please read more
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Female 1,677
CzekM8: That`s lame for the woman either way then. Either be stoned to death, or stay married to a huge douchebag against both of their wills.

Man, who DOESN`T want to follow everything in the bible? It`s clearly got all our backs.

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Male 265
Women knew their place back then...
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Male 95
(continued...)

as long as he lives.
20 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl`s virginity can be found, 21 she shall be brought to the door of her father`s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father`s house. You must purge the evil from among you.

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Male 95
Okay, fattpill, here it is. Pretty much looks like that`s what it says to me:
13 If a man takes a wife and, after lying with her, dislikes her 14 and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, "I married this woman, but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity," 15 then the girl`s father and mother shall bring proof that she was a virgin to the town elders at the gate. 16 The girl`s father will say to the elders, "I gave my daughter in marriage to this man, but he dislikes her. 17 Now he has slandered her and said, `I did not find your daughter to be a virgin.` But here is the proof of my daughter`s virginity." Then her parents shall display the cloth before the elders of the town, 18 and the elders shall take the man and punish him. 19 They shall fine him a hundred shekels of silver [a] and give them to the girl`s father, because this man has given an Israelite virgin a bad name. She shall continue to be his wife; he must not divorce her
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Male 153
Touche, pdmadmin.
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Female 6
My ass is a virgin. Awesome! :D
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Female 2,228
And another thing, I`m really getting tired of xians bawling about "anti xian" sentiment on IAB. It really is hilarious when the majority religion complains about "persecution," especially in this particular case. Stop acting like your beliefs are beyond criticism, especially when you put those beliefs in the public square in a naked attempt to force everyone else to obey them. Besides, if they really mattered at all you would welcome the acid test, anything worth taking seriously is worthy of putting through the fire. (no flamewar pun intended).
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Female 2,228
I did go read those verses and contrary to what was previously claimed, it is not binding on men no such thing- if a woman sleeps around then she is put to death no questions asked. After all a guy has to have an airtight way of knowing that the offspring is his, both for passing on property and simply for passing on his DNA, can`t have any [email protected] in there ya know.

It only applies to men when they take an already married woman-then and only then can he be killed and then only because he took some other man`s property-yes PROPERTY. Contrary to fundie whining men slept around all the time with unattached women and nobody faulted the men for anything, it was simply their right, but the women bore the brunt of this brutal primitive system with their lives.

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Male 256
THAT IS NOT WHAT THAT VERSE SAYS> GO READ IT
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Male 2,605
"i am offended by that."

Why? It came from your own book.

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Male 202
i am offended by that. i.a.b is really biginning to get to be a riligion critasizer anymore. if they keep this up then there gonna lose alot of members who are christians.
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Male 4,290
Wazpoppin9 - "Deuteronomy is in the Old Testament. Old Testament laws were replaced by the New Testament (thats WHY its called the NEW testament)... the new testament contains NO verses like this..."

Lolwut? The Ten Commandments are in the OT as well.


And also, might I direct your attention to Matthew 5:17-20, where Jesus clearly says that nothing should be removed from the old Law (i.e. all the Laws of the OT) until heaven and earth disappear. So in fact, according to Jesus, all the OT laws still apply.

So maybe it`s you that needs a better understanding of the religion.

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Male 463
@Dogboy76

making fun of the christian religion... well at lrast we dont have to were capes on our heads, now do we!?

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Male 463
@Dogboy76

making fun of the christian religion... well at lrast we dont have to were capes on our heads, now do we!?

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Male 265
Go back in the closet.
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Female 253
Know any gay virgins ?.. Guess all non-virginal gays should all be executed according to this numbskull`s logic. Big Fail!

Ummm... Dude, you`ve totally missed the point haven`t you big fella. Refer below - Khronnus - and try and wrap your head around it.

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Male 621
CrakrJak - Stop being a drating idiot. The point the guys is making is: Straighties - stop using the bible to slag of gay marriage, because it`s clearly flawed. Also, stop picking and chosing what to quite from the bible to get your point across.
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Male 322
Dogboy76, you`ve got balls.

I mean, to say what we`re all thinking like that. Come on, dude. Give us some spotlight! T_T

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Male 156
Meh. Who pays attention to fictional books anyway? You might as well quote Harry Potter.
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Female 1,199
Another day, another flame war on i-a-b. :P
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Male 17,511
Know any gay virgins ?.. Guess all non-virginal gays should all be executed according to this numbskull`s logic. Big Fail!
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Male 70
Deuteronomy is in the Old Testament. Old Testament laws were replaced by the New Testament (thats WHY its called the NEW testament)... the new testament contains NO verses like this...

i think these people should first get a conceptual understanding of the religion they attack before attacking it...

fight fire with fire? more like fight fire with keroscene.

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Male 57
It is sad that people have to fight about an issue that should be a given. If a private group such as a church dose not wish to hold gay wedding services they have that right. Now that that is said if a private group such as a church wishes to hold gay wedding services they should have that right as well. Key point private group. Government has a responsibility to treat all people equally regardless of age,race religion or sexual orientation.
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Female 673
That`s clever, except it`d backfire with any couples whose wife WAS a virgin at the time of marriage.
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Male 2,172
I say we let them unite in holy matrimony and see what happen.

It`s not like they can reproduce anyway.

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Female 299
That doesn`t exactly prove his point. It`s just saying that most heterosexual marriages are a joke too.
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Male 1,196
this is a really funny sign. they are right that some or most of the straight people that hate gays for not having a traditional marriage don`t have a traditional marriage either.
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Male 57

"nothing, really. it`s just that we all think that that guy is a gay man throwing tactics he`s had to bare back at his offenders."

Lol bare back.

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Male 736
g.night everyone. peace. to ALL.
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Male 736
oh, good call afflaix.
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Male 2
i think its safe to assume its a gay man... the we can quote the bible too is a big factor considering the biggest opposition they have when in protest form is bible quotes. also the gay pride flag in the background as well as a sign that seems to say 23 years partners let us marry
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Male 736
dudegirl:
nothing, really. it`s just that we all think that that guy is a gay man throwing tactics he`s had to bear back at his offenders.
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Female 45
...what does this quote have to do with gay rights?
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Male 9,305
Are you guys done yet?
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Male 2,440
Overmann, I am jealous... there I said it. xD
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Male 2,605
"when did you get to meet Dillahunty?"

I attended the First Annual Texas Freethought Convention (www.texasfreethoughtconvention.com) in Austin, Texas where he was a guest speaker. I know the organizers of those conventions personally; they are good friends of mine.

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Female 15,763
I still don`t, and probably never will, understand why the genitals of the object of my affection is so important to other people.

Ocean, maybe you`re the sexual deviant for caring about it so much. Hell, it`s more sexually deviant, according to nature, to be monogamous than to be gay (or other kinds of non-heterosexualities).

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Male 2,440
Overmann, when did you get to meet Dillahunty? I would be so happy to pick his brain. lol
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Male 2,605
"call into The Atheist Experience & talk to Matt Dillahunty."

That man is phenomenal. I had the pleasure of meeting him in person.

"both male and female should be a virgin upon marriage. Otherwise it is a sin"

Why? Why? Why do you think God is so hot and bothered about your personal sex life that he`s so eager to throw you in a furnace lest you repent? And about that...

"(that yes, you can repent of)"

In what possible way can one be considered moral when one is able to inexplicably absolve oneself of any responsibility for a perceived misdeed and then carry oneself as if the misdeed never happened? I contend that a more highly moral person would not only not need to absolve himself of guilt in such a fashion (because the misdeed would never have been committed in the first place), but that he *couldn`t* even if he wanted because that act would be seen by him, and rightfully so, as an abomination to any genuine sense of morality.

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Male 2,582
Non virgin whore women will be executed, but guys can do whatever the fu*k they want, as long as it`s not each other? Good one, magical ghost who lives in the sky.
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Female 1,593
Again, Davymid is my hero.
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Male 2,440
davymid, I think a "new Christian" is the "it`s a relationship, not a religion" type. lol
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Male 2,440
Fear not, S4r4h_Pwn4g3. The data is against those bigots. The evidence shows that a homosexual is no more likely to be a pedo than a heterosexual. Sorry to here about your friend. Crazy how that still happens today. :/
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Male 12,138
[quote]oh im not "new christian" i don`t even know what that means. [/quote]

Actually, I just made up that term, just for people like you, oceanbeast.

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Female 153
Viper, I understand your religious beliefs (as much as I possibly can without getting offended) but it kinda hurts my feelings that you think being gay is such a bad thing. I`m gay. I`m a good person, I helped out who I can, my friends have told me I`m one of the nicest people they have ever met. I wouldn`t EVER touch a young child in an innapropriate way, and it hurts that you would put gays in the same category as those terrible people. Straights have done some pretty terrible things to people, but I don`t hold it against them. Actually a group of straight men killed my gay best friend because he was gay, and yet I still have striaight friends. I think you just need to meet some cool gay people and maybe you will change your mind.
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Male 549
oh im not "new christian" i don`t even know what that means.
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Male 315
Does anyone realize that the whole `gay marriage bad` quote (Leviticus something or other) doesn`t say it`s evil. It says it`s an `abomination` which today means `crime against god` but many historians support the theory that `abomination` meant `not the majority` in biblical days, which is true, most people are straight. So maybe we should all just get along. Also, the Jewish media rules the world.
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Male 549
i stand by my previous comments, although i dont think it was necessary to bring it up since i wasnt trying to start that back up, for one i dont have the time, just here to clear up the whole beating/killing women/brides thing.
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Male 68
oh yeah,

I don`t care if they want to marry. Its an abomination in my book, but it is their life. Let them do what they want. That is why we have free will to either choose one path or another and no one should force any path upon another.

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Female 153
Davymid, I love you. That`s all I have to say lmao.
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Male 2,440
viperjason, do you like tattoos? You want one someday?
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Male 8
viperjason: No, it is talking about a BETROTHED woman. In biblical law, a betrothed woman has the status of a married woman (though the marriage has not been consummated), therefore, if she sleeps with anyone or anyone sleeps with her, they are guilty of adultery. The biblical punishment for that is execution by stoning.
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Male 68
davymid,

Your right, Jesus didn`t say anything about it...but why would he need to. It was already in the laws. Jesus came to fulfill the sacrifice laws, but none of the others changed. It was (and still is) wrong to murder someone else. And the law also states that:
Lev 18:22: Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

I`m done....next IAB item

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Male 820
vvv speaks the truth...,
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Male 2,440
"Gay people, your time will come. You`re just the last in the queue."

YOU LIE, davymid! Gays we can accept, but the furries will have to wait their turn as well. xD

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Male 12,138
Quad Post. On a roll:

I look forward to the day when we look back on this disgusting denial of basic human rights to gay people and realise how abhorrent and evil it all was, as we do now when we look back at black slavery and denial of womens` rights.

Gay people, your time will come. You`re just the last in the queue.

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Male 12,138
Here`s my take on it. Three things:

1) Slavery
2) Womens` rights
3) Gay rights

The Bible lays out the ground laws on all three. Much of it is in this link (Actual Bible quotes). The Bible makes it very clear that slaves are allowed, that they are your property to be beaten at will, as long as they are bought from other nations than yours. Women must subjugate to their man in all things. And also, gay people are to be murdered.

Laws and societal trends are traditionally bound up in this kind of bronze-age religious bullsh*t dogma, which have always been a pervading and perverting force in politics. Slaves from Africa were an accepted thing until the last century. Women were only given the right to f*cking vote in most of the world in this century. Sickening.

"Because the Bible told me so"

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Male 12,138
Frankly, self-professed "New Christians" like you are the very reason that many normal people distrust Christians. You guys put on a thin veneer of "Look, we Christians are cool! We`re basically just hippies!", when there`s a deeply abhorrent undercurrent of blatant bigotry just under the surface. Why the lobbying against the rights of people who are homosexual, while the people who eat lobsters, or who wear clothes made from two different materials, or who work on a sunday, are just fine (yes, it`s all there in the Old Testament, all are sins, side by side).
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Male 12,138
Oceanbeast, I really must pull you up on this one. I commend your stance on the teachings of Jesus, which is very much as you described it (love your neighbour). However, you don`t seem to practice what you preach. I quote you directly here from another thread on these very forums:

[quote]gay marriage is wrong because being gay is a SEXUAL DEVIANCE. like being a pedophile being gay is an abnormal behavior. [/quote]

I can provide the exact link if you like.

Now, call me radical, but equating homosexuals with paedophiles (both "SEXUAL DEVIANTS", original author`s emphasisis) is very worrying to me. It doesn`t jive very well with your current public stance of "forget that Old Testament stuff guys, peace and love and all that".

If homosexuality is such a big deal in Christianity, why didn`t Jesus mention it? Ever? A single solitary word? A throwaway quote somewhere?

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Female 523
HAHAHA
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Male 820
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Male 68
Actually, that verse deals with both men and women being virgins.
http://etext.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-...

Read it. It says, that if she lies about being a virgin, then for the portrayal of being a whore, then she should die. If he lies about her being a whore, then he will pay for the lie. Later in the same chapter it deals with men. That if they take a virgin without marriage then he should die.

Basically, both male and female should be a virgin upon marriage. Otherwise it is a sin (that yes, you can repent of).

However it doesnt talk about it being vaild/invalid one way or another....only the punishment of being a whore (male/female).

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Male 3
Man, you guys, this is about as gay as fish.
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Male 2,440
lol, if God didn`t like gays, why in the f*ck would he make them at all? He`s gotta love `em. xD
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Female 35
This is funny, so funny I need to join in :)

This is why I always question christians (particularly catholics) on the whole gay marraige issue: Many people are anti gay marraige because sex between a man and a man is a sin. As per many religious groups, we all sin in various ways and have to work to repent/confess. Jesus even died for our sins. It`s also stated by many that all sins are equal. But if all sins are equal why do we have to bring the law into some and not others? You shouldn`t use law to try and prevent this particular sin and if we can do that, then I want to come over to your house make a list of all of your sins and start passing legislature around it. Its ridiclous.

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Male 27
athiest experience rules

lol

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Male 820
*wanders in wearing a fire suit, not that he really needs it, but I mean, the heat coming from this forum...*

It amazes me that people believe a god who is intelligent enough to create the universe(s), is still vain, egotistical, and childish enough to send people to hell for not worshiping him.

and that`s all I have to say about it.
and no, it doesn`t make sense to the actual arguments going on here, it isn`t supposed to.

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Male 213
Thats not an argument against anything, though? My gf and I are waiting until we are married. I really dont see how this applies to gay/straight marriage.
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Male 2,440
"maybe so but yours probably dosen`t. this however is not an atheism vs Christianity discussion, its a quote misused."

pffffft, misused. You`re full of sh*t.

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Male 549
maybe so but yours probably dosen`t. this however is not an atheism vs Christianity discussion, its a quote misused.
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Male 2,440
"thats the truth, choose to ignore it but realize you are wrong, how can a non believer tell me about the bible, obviously i have read and studied it more than you. Jesus came to change many things, Yaweh is an angry Lord but Jesus sacrificed himself so that we may all have a chance to seek righteousness and forgiveness. i am not defending any "bible quoters", as far as being homosexual being ok, the new testament associates sodom and gomorrah with lies and sexual deviance, careless living."

lol oceanbeast, call into The Atheist Experience & talk to Matt Dillahunty. I bet you his Biblical knowledge surpasses your own x1000.

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Male 549
thats the truth, choose to ignore it but realize you are wrong, how can a non believer tell me about the bible, obviously i have read and studied it more than you. Jesus came to change many things, Yaweh is an angry Lord but Jesus sacrificed himself so that we may all have a chance to seek righteousness and forgiveness. i am not defending any "bible quoters", as far as being homosexual being ok, the new testament associates sodom and gomorrah with lies and sexual deviance, careless living.
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Male 1,164
Stone the non-virgins? I bet the basement nerds would rejoice at that.
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Male 15,510
Deuteronomy 23:1 ESV
"No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord."
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Male 731
Oceanbeast, if that was the case, then there would be no problem with homosexuality.

Also, if the old testament is not to be taken literally, then most of the quotes the bible thumpers put on signs would be obsolete as well.

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Male 2,440
"you must understand that the old testament is not to be taken literally as Jesus came to give us the new covenant, which was basically love your neighbor as you love yourself. this is taken out of context and out of sequence as Jesus sacrificed himself so that no other sacrifice of flesh need to be made"

bullsh^t *cough*

When God makes rules, why in the f*ck would he EVER change them? It`s GOD for f*ck sakes. He doesn`t have to change sh*t.

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Male 15,510
Ha ha ha God is such a joker...
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Female 168
p0l4r21: "The problem with the bible is it can be interpreted differently every time a verse is read. "

Pretty sure you can`t really interpret this many other ways...

"If the woman that was married as a virgin was not found to be one she was to be stoned to death at her father`s door"

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Male 549
you must understand that the old testament is not to be taken literally as Jesus came to give us the new covenant, which was basically love your neighbor as you love yourself. this is taken out of context and out of sequence as Jesus sacrificed himself so that no other sacrifice of flesh need to be made
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Male 61
p0l4r21: You don`t know enough gay people. It`s the two hearts that fall in love, not the penis and vagina.
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Male 731
http://biblebrowser.com/deuteronomy/22-1...

Here`s the passage, for those too lazy to look.

I find this utterly, insurmountably brilliant.

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Male 1,918
it is very hard to understand what the hell the verses in the bible mean but that`s petty much dead on
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Male 504
The problem with the bible is it can be interpreted differently every time a verse is read. The bible is outdated material. It is time for a modern approach to god.

I am not a supporter of gays I do believe it is wrong but not because the bible says it is because it is truly wrong. Men and women exist as two separate entities for a reason cause one can not be completely without the other. Two men/women cannot complete a whole.

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Female 118
I LOVE THIS
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Male 833
i just don`t get this whole gay ban thing, i mean, who cares what it says in the bible, were supposed to have a separation of church and state anyways.
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Male 61
10 seconds later....


nothing happened. :O

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Male 2,402
Typical distortion to only state a part truth. It`s only if the bride was not a virgin and has been unclean, but it also describes how adultry is dealt with, how what happens to who rapes her, and how if false witness was brought against her.
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Male 833
"wait, so if the wife is a virgin, and the man isnt, it`s still considered valid?
gotta love double-standards..."

Thats cause the bible is extremely sexist, and rules in favor of men. kinda makes you think it was a man who wrote it now doesnt it?

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Male 2,591
i don`t condone being gay but.. take that up your ass, bible quoters! hahahaha
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Male 505
Islam, ftw.
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Male 916
dave32891:
hi2pi is right. It`s a completely acceptable summary of what Deuteronomy 22:13-21 says. A literal quote would be far too long.
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Female 169
LMFAO This is great I have to remember that one
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Male 2,605
"too bad that`s not a real quote from the bible. Way to make up bible verses."

Have you read the referenced chapters? They are readily accessible on-line. Clearly they state that if a man accuses his wife of not being a virgin (maid, but the context is clear), then it is the bride`s father`s obligation to prove to the elders that the wife is indeed a virgin; if this is not the case, then that woman is stoned to death. The spirit of that passage is preserved on the sign.

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Male 12,365
"too bad that`s not a real quote from the bible. Way to make up bible verses."

It`s an accurate summary of the stated verses. Click here to read the verses in the traditional King James V versionL

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...

The Christian bible is full of vile stuff. It`s just that Christianity allows a pick `n` mix approach to it.

Christians don`t really have any support for an aversion to homosexuality. Doing so relies on using bad mistranslations of selected verses only, while ignoring other verses in the same section. Usually without even being aware of doing so, let alone having a reason why.

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Female 9,572
I`m not even going to say anything...
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Male 736
dave32891:
i`m guessing you can read because you can type. try again, because the words i`m seeing on in my bible (looking at it right this moment) describe exactly what that sign summarizes. just...try again. you can do it.
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Male 736
wow, i somehow expected a lot more foolish things to be posted here. maybe i`ll oblige... it seems that a number of you have actually read the old testament. no mixed cloth, killing lippy children, giving up virgin daughters to murderous rape as a virtuous deed, and on and on. ok, so the book has its flaws, and knowing that we can move on. but let`s not throw out the baby with the bathwater. the books also contain lots of valuable wisdom, insight, and Truth. i say: use it as a tool for spiritual enlightenment, but don`t use it to limit that process. if there is God, it is bigger than any book could contain.
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Male 541
too bad that`s not a real quote from the bible. Way to make up bible verses.
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Male 41
O boy...
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Male 914
executed if not a virgin you say?? well by today`s standards isn`t that like 9 out of 10 women?
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Male 8
The passages in Deuteronomy concern a virgin who was betrothed to be married (a betrothed woman falls under the laws of adultery). At the time of consummation of the marriage, the husband discovers that she had slept with another man between the betrothal and that point. If he can prove that this is the case, she is then executed as an adulteress. If the woman lost her virginity before the betrothal there is no penalty.
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Male 346
The path of the righteous man is besieged on all sides by the tyranny of evil men. I CAN QUOTE PULP FICTION TOO BITCHES
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Female 528
Urgh. Lionhart, how you got to be a mod I`ll never know. Please stop attempting jokes
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Female 364
Hah.
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Female 1,677
drat THE BIBLE.
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Female 1,199
lol. :) Tbh I actually say the same thing as an argument to those who oppose gay marriage... Nearly no one in this day of age follows these same laws from the bible. Heck, divorce happens in what seems to be most marriages now (too lazy to look up the percentages)!

I consider myself to be Christian, but I try to be open minded. If people want to live their lives their own way, then let them. Do you think protesting would make them change their mind? <.< Nope~

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Female 901
hehe :]
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Male 8,300
10 seconds later...

and a Voice says "I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger, Ezekiel 25:17. I CAN QUOTE IT TOO, BITCHES!!"

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Male 132
wait, so if the wife is a virgin, and the man isnt, it`s still considered valid?

gotta love double-standards...

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Female 98
Damn. I gotta send this to Mathew Lush, he`d get a kick out of it.
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Male 345
So, how are you suppose to get a wife who can suck a marble through a straw, find the "A" spot and know what a safety word is for if you can`t get her used? This bible thing blows and not in a "pretend-your-wife-has-never-had-sex-even-though-she-knows-what-a-Cleveland-Steamer-is" sort of way...
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Male 795
Stop the flame wars? The whole damn reason this got posted was to incite a flame war. Come on it`s fun and you know it. Arbitrarily arguing in a forum about a random guy you`ll never meet, holding up a sign that`s clearly meant to be incendiary, regarding an issue that really has nor resolution but time. What`s not to like!?!?!?
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Female 4,197
touche`

well, i guess this means im screwed. nice knowing you guys :(

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Male 4,290
Whoops, my comments should be directed at ohthedrama, not CheeseMan. My apologies.
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Male 4,290
CheeseMan:

1) I have read the entire Bible, several times. The purpose of those passages in the Bible is clear - to lay down the laws of what is and what isn`t acceptable in the eyes of God. There`s plenty more of it to be found in Leviticus. (Incidentally, why do we have to read Genesis and Exodus, but we can skip Leviticus and Numbers?)

2) The context can be seen here. There`s no other way to interpret it - if a man is going to marry a woman but discovers she`s not a virgin, the men of the city are to stone her to death. If you can come up with any other plausible interpretation of those words, I`d love to hear it.

And are you against oral sex too? Because blowjobs are outlawed in the Bible - it all falls under "sodomy".

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Female 1,260
Well, that`s just harsh! So the gays gotta pick on us sluts now! Not nice!
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Female 917
"And I don`t want to NOT believe in him because if I don`t, and he is real, I`ll burn in Hell."

Don`t worry, just before I stopped believing in God that was the EXACT argument that kept me hanging on."

Same here! I was taught from day one that there is a big dude in the sky who controls everything and watches you constantly, ready to put a mark next to your name for every last thing you do wrong.

So, when I finally started realizing how much brainwashing and fear is in the Bible, I started to doubt, and question, and finally stop believing.

No matter how much Roman Catholics preach how loving, kind and forgiving God is, they taught me in about 2nd grade about hell and the 10 commandments and how if I broke them (lying to my mom saying my homework was done when it wasn`t) I was going to hell.

The reason I was hesitant about my choice of backing out of Christianity wasn`t because of my love of God- it was fear of damnation.

Well, if I`m going to hell, I may as

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Male 12,138
There are few pleasures in life greater than witnessing a head-on collision between a homophobe and the swear filter.

Beautiful.

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Male 162
1) Deuteronomy is rather complex and hard to read and should not be taken out of context. You cannot begin to understand the point of this book without first reading Genesis and Exodus. If you do, you will fail.
2) Completely taken out of context like most Fundamentalists do. God made woman for man and man for woman. There is nothing wrong with love. There is something wrong in sticking your dick in an someone else`s non-nice individual.
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Male 1,406
People who blindly follow every passage of the Bible don`t exist. Some say they do, but they have to ignore some parts, since life would be pretty damn difficult if you didn`t.
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Male 300
"And I don`t want to NOT believe in him because if I don`t, and he is real, I`ll burn in Hell.

And that sucks balls.

Damn, I hate thinking."

Don`t worry, just before I stopped believing in God that was the EXACT argument that kept me hanging on. Then I thought a bit more about how the threat of eternal torture (or eternal reward) is a bloody good way to get people to believe in something, as it appeals to the baser traits of humanity. That made me see it as much more of a human construct than a divine one.

You`ll see the light soon enough.

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Female 3,726
...to forgive, divine...

: - )

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Male 1,254
Of course, the history of religion has been marred continuously by hypocritical behavior. That is no surprise to anyone, and only somewhat demented Christians and other religious ideologues will find ways to defend those actions.

I on the other hand, understand why religions acted the way they did and try to analyze their rationale, not to defend them because their actions certainly not acceptable, its just to gain a better view of things, and to appreciate how far we have come today.

Religions all have hate-mongers and misguided people, as do agnostics, atheists, and hell even a Buddhist or two down the line (probably more). Responsible Christians, therefore, should realize the wrong things that have been done in the past and learn from it to avoid great misdeeds in modern times. Lest not to forget, "to err is human."

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Male 95
This just made my day. Thanks, IAB.
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Male 1,254
Thanks Murry, every now and then I can try and bring a little sense into everyday life.

And it`s not believing as I do korea. Believing implies an opinion, and I presented facts to refute your claim (an actual opinion). Accepting those facts helps mark an individual as a mature and responsible member of society. Ignoring them...well, that`s pretty obvious...

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Female 3,726
Why? Because he believes as you do? Typical : - )
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Female 2,672
/me gives Dakkar 1 internet
you`ve earnt it ;)
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Male 1,254
I can`t tell how much of that statement is sarcasm korea, but all Christians most definitely do not believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible.

The oft maligned Catholics are very open to many figurative interpretations of the Bible. Plus, Vatican City has a well-renowned astrophysics program, the Pope and larger Catholic community have agreed with the Big Bang Theory and evolution, and the church has apologized for the mistreating of Galileo.

Fundamentalists believe in literal interpretations, and generally give most of the Christian community a bad name.

Many atheists, agnostics, and others already know these facts, but a large portion of the internet atheist league would do well to learn some more about Christian denominations.

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Female 3,726
And my all time favorite:

Keep my decrees and all my laws and follow them. I am the LORD. Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.

So if you have some poly/cotton blend on IAB...you are going to hell!

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Female 15,763
It`s not supposed to "help them with their argument," it`s supposed to show that maybe laws should not be based off of bible quotes, because quite a few of them are ridiculous like this.
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Female 135
That, while intersting, bible passage (lol) doesn`t really help them with their argument though. I doubt every lesbian who gets married (where they can) is a virgin. If you consider mutal masturbation "sex." Otherwise, great! I`m pretty neutral on the whole thing, myself. Who gives a poo if they get married, honestly. They`re people.
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Female 2,672
"according to christians"...u got your own brain, use it...you dont have believe what that rev told you

if you got such an issue with christians, and their beliefs, why are u using one of them to support your own point
seriously, the bibles a book...read it for yourself, not for a religion you appear to have no respect for

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Male 606
ib4thepoostor-

Nevermind...

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Female 781
Haha, Deuteronomy is actually quite a bit of comedy gold if you read it.

You`re also not allowed to plant different grapes together, nor yoke your ox and donkey together, and if you make a cloak, by GOD it better have four tassels!

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Male 2,372
...no...just with bigotry/racism etc. in general
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Female 3,726
No, according to christians...the bible is the infallible law of the land....directly from a rev.`s mouth! You either believe the entire book or you don`t!
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Female 2,672
"I`ve read the bible and you cannot change my mind otherwise"

....so whatever i, or anyone else says, u wont believe the bible, right?

did u ever consider that alot of other people have read the bible and you cannot change their mind otherwise?

cos if u had considered it you`d realize what you`ve said is exactly like the church which "tried brainwash you"
cos i think thats kinda "full of contradictions"

if you had any "common sense" you`d realize the bible isnt a way of life, it was written as a way of morally improving people, u dont have to believe it all, but the general message is "to be good people, use common sense, help others when needed, pay taxes and die"

so basicaly, if u dont like someone shoving their belief down your throat...dont do it yourself

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Female 15,763
Then you must have a very difficult time with the internet.
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Female 3,726
atm?
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Male 2,372
opiebreath-

The point is that I don`t think bigotry is cool, regardless of what religious group is targeted.

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Female 2,672
gee lostinkorea....
ur hatin atm arent u?
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Female 2,228

But since you asked mannord.

Religious extremists (of any stripe) FTL

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Male 13,630
Opie - Im in with the family thing, weird, argumentative, but yeah, together, and think about not banning me because of the gay muslim pic eh?
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Female 57
Religion Kills.
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Female 150
And I don`t want to NOT believe in him because if I don`t, and he is real, I`ll burn in Hell.

And that sucks balls.

Damn, I hate thinking.

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Female 150
Here`s something I want to throw out there...

I hate you guys. Every time there`s some religious flame war on IAB, I have to read it, because, well, I have no life. And they`re entertaining. And everyone time I do, I question my beliefs.

You see, I want to defend the bible by saying, "that doesn`t count, because it was written in the old testament, and what was done then is absurd now, like segregating blacks."
That`s the argument I come up with.

And then, there are some things that are repeated in both the old and new testament, like how being gay is bad.

And you know, I don`t want to belive that, because that path isn`t chosen, and going to hell just for preferring someone of the same sex doesn`t seen right.
So I say the bible is flawed because it is written by man.

But then, I feel hypocritical.

So I question if there really is a God, but I can`t really say that there isn`t, because I can`t bring myself to believe that (b/c of tons of reasons!).

And I d

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Female 15,763
You`d rather have a site where every comment was, "cool" or "lol" or "funny"!? I LOOOOVE the endless bickering on here. It`s one of the things that makes this site a community. We`re like a big dysfunctional family, I don`t understand what`s so wrong with that.
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Female 3,726
We just need to be good people, use common sense, help others when needed, pay taxes and die! THE END!
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Female 3,726
@Rifter, I am with you on one point. I don`t believe religious articles and/or pics belong on here either. It does create a flame war of people going back and forth with no cease fire! I think the main reason these are posted so fancy can get his numbers (hits) he so desire. WITH THAT SAID...if you go back to the 4th page you will see my position. To rebuttal your other comments: the bible is chock full of contradictions, misogynistic tones, homophobic tones and just vengeful garbage. How can this be the law of the land with the way it was written? You know why? It was written by MAN with his own agenda. This fairy tale has nothing to do with love, acceptance and brotherhood. It has EVERYTHING to do with the rigid ways we are MANDATED to live our lives and the dire consequences (brimstone and fire) that will ensue if we don`t. I`ve been to church, they tried to brainwash me, I`ve read the bible and you cannot change my mind otherwise.
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Male 13,630
Just to equal things out, and on the cusp of being banned I guess here we have --


GAY MUSLIM!!

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Female 15,763
"Just curious, but why is it that the religious bigots of IAB will post all kinds of anti Christian/Jesus topics, all in the name of being anti-religion, yet never post similarly bigoted material that suggests that Jews are idiots for being Jews, or Muslims are f*cked up for praying to Allah, or that Hindu`s are retarded....etc?

Why not be equal opportunity bigots and, say, post the Muhammad cartoons?"

SOMEONE had soggy cereal this morning...

Submit some quality links of that nature and then maybe they`ll get through. If it`s not submitted we don`t post it, not our fault what you all suggest.

Also, Christians are the majority in the United States (and this is a heavily American website) and it is almost ALWAYS incredibly more accepted to poke fun at the majorities than the minorities.

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Female 2,228
we`re certainly not anti xianity or anti religion bigots, we are commenting on the ridiculousness of extremist religion, xianity just happens to always be the target because they are obviously the most numerous and try to push their extremism on everyone else.
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Male 13,630
manorrd - I guess they is too scared,gays, and Christians are easy, sorry for the repeat post
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Male 2,372
Just curious, but why is it that the religious bigots of IAB will post all kinds of anti Christian/Jesus topics, all in the name of being anti-religion, yet never post similarly bigoted material that suggests that Jews are idiots for being Jews, or Muslims are f*cked up for praying to Allah, or that Hindu`s are retarded....etc?

Why not be equal opportunity bigots and, say, post the Muhammad cartoons?

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Male 13,630
solstyx - Hmmm, sounds like a draw so far then
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Male 13,630
Nburkie420 - Dont get dying in a flame war man!!!
get back up, and fight um, errrr, well, just go get a coffee at least ok?
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Female 2,228
I know, and that bible is my absolute favorite!
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Male 3,425
@QueenZira

Click

It`s already happened :0

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Male 721
"YES. AWESOME. I like you."

Opie likes me, my life is complete.. I can die a happy man now :D

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Female 15,763
"Me opie.. your giraffe should arrive in the mail soon by the way.. and really who gives a poo about religion these days, i do whatever i want and dont have to worry about burning in hell for my many many sins :)"

YES. AWESOME. I like you.

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Male 156
that woman`s face says it all... "mmmkay!?"
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Female 2,228

This explains a lot...

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Female 931
:(
I`m gonna go cry in a corner. The corner of my closet. xD
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Male 146
I interpreted it differently: If you are not a virgin you can get stoned.
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Male 721
Me opie.. your giraffe should arrive in the mail soon by the way.. and really who gives a poo about religion these days, i do whatever i want and dont have to worry about burning in hell for my many many sins :)
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Female 437
Pork, that`s the best one. The same part of the Bible that says `being gay is wrong` is also the part that says `eating pork is wrong`.
DISCLAIMER: I would just like to clarify that I do not believe that being gay is wrong.
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Female 21
I don`t think either are winning, the bible thumpers wont stop persecuting and the gays wont stop being... well... gay, so I think it`s a draw... although you gotta give gays some credit for fighting back
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Female 15,763
In before the religious wa- Oh... too late.

Anyone want any Jesus shaped churros or rainbow colored popcorn for the fight?

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Male 13,630
Yup, I was right, Ok, if theres a `on the fence guy/gal` out there, tell me whos winning this argument right now, cos Ive been through so many religious/gay flamers on IAB I just cant be arsed to read all the outraged stuff, gays, biblys/or trolls ?
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Male 22
im sure no one will read this and care but just so u know..

This was wrote as a commandment from god to Israel, not for god to us.

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Female 3,828
wow i love this so so so much.
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Male 3,425
Seriously, gay marriage + religion... I sense a HUGE debate.
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Male 3,058
@ Rifter: You miss the point completely. But thank you for pointing out that there is obvious fiction in the Bible, which in turn calls the entire text into question.
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Male 9,305
GRAB YER GUNS! IT`S WHORE HUNTIN` SEASON! :D YAAAAY JESUS!
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Male 3,425
This is the best they can come up with? ONE passage which doesn`t actually prove their point anyway? Wow, how convincing. Wouldn`t it just be better if they said "f-ck religion, it`s all rubbish anyway, we can do what we want".
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Male 84
HOLY CRAP THAT GUY HAS A SIGN FOR A HEAD!!! WTF!!!
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Female 718
"Given mans propensity for believing in fantasy, 2000 years from now the harry potter novels will most likely become gospel."

All things considered HUFFER, I`d love that! :D

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Male 1,929
More a complete tool for thinking that whatever you believe is in some way relevant to everyone else`s lives.
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Male 282
@osirisascend: The Song of Solomon, IIRC, is written as a play of sorts between a man and his bride. I hardly see anything contradictory about it.
@DrDagger: I like a lot of the articles on here, which is why haven`t left yet. All I`m saying is that it would be nice if they would just stop posting articles with pro- or anti-religious slants. The only thing that seems to come out of it is "you`re an idiot for what you believe."
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Male 12,138
Here`s a few more, rifter, along with other assorted biblical wackiness.

http://home.earthlink.net/~owl233/biblequotes.htm

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Male 4,807
You can`t pick and choose verses from the bible to suit you own agenda.
Its ALL or NOTHING.

Now lets all sit back and watch yet another Gay/Religious war unfold...........

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Male 367
Given mans propensity for believing in fantasy, 2000 years from now the harry potter novels will most likely become gospel.
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Male 3,058
@ Rifter: If we`re going to start quoting from the Bible, how about this little gem:

"I went down into the garden of nuts to see the fruits of the valley, and to see whether the vine flourished and the pomegranates budded."

- Song of Solomon, Chapter 6, Verse 11

OR

"How beautiful are thy feet with shoes, O prince`s daughter! the joints of thy thighs are like jewels, the work of the hands of a cunning workman. Thy navel is like a round goblet, which wanteth not liquor, thy belly is like an heap of wheat set about with lilies. Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins. This thy stature is like to a palm tree, and thy breasts to clusters of grapes. I said, I will go up to the palm tree, I will take hold of the boughs thereof: now also thy breasts shall be as clusters of the vine"

- Song of Solomon, Chapter 7, Verses 1-3, 7, 8

The Bible is full of contradictions and sex.

Quoting it to make a point is ignorant at best, foolish at worst.

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Male 24
Rifter, the people who post article to this website and, I`d guess, fancy himself, are often anti religion. if you dont like it, go to another website
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Male 480
Awesome!
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Male 282
junebug: I`m interested in knowing what you consider a contradiction in the Bible.
And, I`m not a homophobe. I just pointed out a verse that was as equally damning as the one they were trying to use.
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Female 168
Religion should just be kept out of gay marriage arguments; it has no bearing on our laws.

As far as homosexuality is concerned, I wonder what makes this issue so different than all the other Biblical taboos that have been accepted over the years. I honestly think it all boils down to the "yuck" factor.

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Male 575
rifter: how about this one:

`There is no God.`
- Laws of logic

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Female 44
oh, and rifter, you`re clearly a massive homophobe. the bible says plenty things, and really, why should one thing - like this quote - NOT apply to modern standards, while another - the old "a man must not lie with another man" - ought to be?

jeeze, man. that`s pretty archaic.

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Female 44
i like. after all, the bible is not only full of contradictions, making it rather difficult to follow its every rule, but these days people just choose to follow the bits they want to.
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Male 282
"So we can only post pro-religion articles?"

I don`t know that I`ve ever seen one on IAB. While I would certainly welcome it, I would prefer not to see any articles of a religious nature, pro- or anti-.

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Female 178
that is an awesome response by the gays. i love the wittiness and how they get their point across
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Male 1,381
loose women ftl...
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Male 32
"Please, IAB, can we just stop posting anti-religion articles? All it does is start flame wars that last for pages of unintelligent discussion, name-calling, and hate speech."

So we can only post pro-religion articles?

Because that will most defiantly keep the flame wars down....
If people just didn`t over react to everyone else`s posts then none of this would happen..

Yeah I know, religious people have their points, and so do non religious people. We all know what your points are and have heard them about 178 billion times, so if everyone just shut up then we can have IAB post whatever they want & we`ll all be somewhat happy.

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Male 2,372
I agree with rifter.

Why so bigoted, IAB?

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Female 961
haha excellent point well played
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Male 4,014
Eating shellfish is a sin!
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Male 101
BBQ>> "we`re practically using bits and pieces from religion to rule our countries"

And as citizens I believe we are choosing to vote in conjunction of how "it should be run", or in God`s eyes at least.

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Male 282
Oh, and if you`re going to use one verse to justify your "marriage," try this one:

"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." Leviticus 20:13

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Male 6
I hate the fact that both Christian conservatives and these gays take the Bible out of context to further their agenda. For any one that cares to know, this is a reading from the book of deuteronomy and is basically setting down Mosaic law. Mosaic law does not apply to Christians. So before everyone goes all crazy calling Christians hypocrites for not killing their wives for not being virgins, get your head out of your ass and get the facts. Stop being sheep and get facts for your self. I`ts really annoying hearing people rant on about what they think they know about Religion, God, Human Nature, Science, Wotld History etc.... Instead of ctitisizing, make the effort to understand why some people beleive what they do. At least then you can make an informed educated opinion rather thatn just rehash the same garbage that is spoon fed to you by both sides. And by the way if anyone cares I am a Christian/Catholic.
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Female 1,963
It`s a very good point indeed. You can`t pick and choose your little bible quotes to justify something, and then dismiss ones that don`t fit with your particular lifestyle.

Also, I love it when people going around saying "I don`t mind if people are gay, just as long as they don`t go around trying to convert anyone".

Does someone honestly believe that gay people want to turn everyone gay? And even if they wanted to, that they could?

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Male 282
Please, IAB, can we just stop posting anti-religion articles? All it does is start flame wars that last for pages of unintelligent discussion, name-calling, and hate speech.

That being said, as previously mentioned, the verse on the sign is being misquoted and taken out of context. It`s another example of the ill-informed trying to justify their actions by misinterpreting someone else`s laws.
Also, the Old Testament is just that. If anyone took the time to actually sit down, read, and study it (instead of being told or assuming they know what it`s about), they would know that. It contains the books of Jewish law, history, wisdom, and prophecy.
The New Testament did away with the Old Testament and its laws. It was not put into effect until Christ died.

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Male 467
Younglink>> Fair enough!
No, it wouldn`t change how people believe, to change the laws, but it`s quite a significant signal to send to the populace, by allowing gay marriage. It`s like saying that it`s alright and that the state isn`t judging.
By not allowing gay marriage, we`re practically using bits and pieces from religion to rule our countries, that to me is extremely disturbing.
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Male 606
Younglink, Jesus didn`t "Do away" with the old law, he tells you not to ignore it.
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Male 376
Also, well said summerkc.
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Male 2,440
I wrote a silly comment and I`m staying out of this debate. : )

Fly, my pretties! FLY!

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Female 2,672
fair play to them
tbh the bible shouldnt be used in law making, its a personal thing, your belief and interpretation of it, so dont go round been an ass bout it
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Male 16
(and those that can`t should and most christians would agree with this, its just a matter of legislation).

If they think that having the state say they are "married" will make everyone accept them as a couple they are mistaken. The validation that they seek will never come from a large percentage of the population. The fact that they are trying to force the issue on people actually just makes them resent gay people more, not just accept them for what they are, two people in love spending their lives together.

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Male 376
But at the end of the day, its still just a sign that won`t change any views.
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Male 16
Clever, but it doesn`t make gay marriage any more allowable according to Christian`s beliefs. Only that marriage should be restricted more.

Sex before marriage is still forbidden, but so is killing some one, as is not following the laws of your country. Most of the New Testament rules that Jesus put out supersede the Old Testament nonsense, and Jesus actually says to disregard the teachings and rules of the past hierarchical Jewish church.

If you actually look up this passage it is along with hundreds of rules and make up a large number of the Kosher rules. One is "Do not wear clothing made of wool and linen woven together." Another is "if you hand a man you must bury his body before night". Most of the entire Old Testament is disregarded by Christians anyway.

The question is, why do gay people care about having the "marriage" term labeled on their relationship by the state? Most all benefits given to married couples are afforded to gay couple

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Male 101
BBQ, I would like to offer a different "explaining away". Yes, I am a Christian; no, I don`t pretend to know anything and everything pertaining to this subject.
However, Deut. is part of the Old Law, when Jesus came, he did away with the old law and with it came a new law (Romans is a good book to read for more info on that).
In a small conclusion - Yes, homosexuality is a sin. But also, sex before marriage is a sin. No sin is worse than another.
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Female 8,055
Either you believe your holy book is all true, or you don`t believe? Which is it? If it is all true you should abide by its rules, if not then you must believe that you will suffer after death. If your book IS right then most of the people who ever lived will be right their with you for NOT stoning young women.
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Male 795
Nice. I think it`s time smart people started fighting irrationality with irrationality.
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Male 10
"Apparently you didn`t READ the passage, either. The wording is not correct and has been taken out of context. Do your homework!"

"If, however, this charge is true, that evidence of the young woman`s virginity was not found, then they shall bring the young woman out to the entrance of her father`s house and the men of her town shall stone her to death because she has committed a disgraceful act in Israel by prostituting herself in her father`s house. So you shall purge the evil from your midst"-Deuteronomy 22:20

That`s sound pretty much like what they said up there...

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Male 35
I found it personally hilarious that if the husband was found to be false in his statement he only had to pay a fine for instigating a process that could have ended in the murder of another human being.
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Female 8,055
If you do not believe in the tooth fairy you will be stone broke by the time you are 10. And father Christmas won`t bring you any presents. Now I am off to put down milk for the Brownies, so my cleaning will be done by morning.
Please, be sensible.
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Male 97
not to start a huge big debate, but I am a Christian and just want to say that that was a law written in Deuteronomy in the Old Testament in the Bible. Most of those laws are not still practiced and quite frankly I believe it would go against US laws (don`t know about other countries) to execute a wife because she was not a virgin at marriage. There are many other laws from Deuteronomy that are not practiced because they are just old laws.

On the other hand, I, just like most Christians (if not all), do believe it is wrong to have sex before marriage and plan on staying a virgin until marriage. I would hope that I marry someone who has the same beliefs on this and Christianity as well.

Just thought I`d throw that out there...
PS excuse typos XD

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Male 606
Broder, don`t pull that context poo on us. Its in your holy book, thats all that matters.
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Male 363
the wording is not even close and neither is the meaning, the meaning of the actual Bible quote is that if the man is displeased with the fact of his wife not being a virgin and proof cannot be found that she was a virgin then she shall be stoned to death. its not saying to be married the wife must be a virgin. then again i dont care if you`re gay so long as you dont go around trying intentionally to make people gay, basically just dont push it upon people
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Male 13,630
Hmm, Gays - Religion - IAB, batten down the hatches, I think this is a fair good mix for a good ole Flamer
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Male 467
I found the passage: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...

While not the same wording, it is the same meaning.

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Male 2,440
"If you don`t believe in God, you better hope you`re right, because the alternative is not going to be pleasant."

Run for your lives! The Boogey Man is after you! Run mutherf*ckers, run!

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Male 1
Apparently you didn`t READ the passage, either. The wording is not correct and has been taken out of context. Do your homework!
If you don`t believe in God, you better hope you`re right, because the alternative is not going to be pleasant.
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Male 2,855
not a bad idea at all!
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Male 467
Just waiting for the religious folks to explain this one - but then again; we all know what they`re going to say, right?

"Some rules are more important to uphold than others, while it`s not as important for girls to be virgins prior to marriage, homosexuality should never be permitted."

You can`t explain fantasy using logic, they are opposites by definition.

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Male 670
the most religious people are often the most evil...
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Male 169
THAT is what I`m talking about! Take that, you damnable religious zealots.
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Male 2,121
To be fair, most Christians do frown on sex before marriage.
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Female 129
Ha ha! Love it!
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Female 3,726
Reason # 999,999 why I don`t believe in the magic man in the sky...I do believe that ALL christian`s are ....wait nevermind, don`t want to start a flame war!

Liars, Misogynists and Homophobics OH MY!

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Female 155
ah ha ha ha ha ha. excellent
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Male 13,630
Ha, way to go dudes
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Male 20,916
Link: The Gays Fight the Marriage Fire With Fire [Pic] [Rate Link] - See stuffy conservatives, the Bible works both ways.
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