Religious Descrimination at Tesco Store?

Submitted by: Baalthazaq 8 years ago in
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/18/jedi-religion-tesco-hood-jones

Has political correctness gone too far, or was Tesco well within their rights?
There are 95 comments:
Female 53
..everyone has a religion/ cult. yet so many people don`t like the idea of there being more then one
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Male 302
@ Joe Cox

Nobody gives a poo about retards who THINK THEY`RE ACTUALLY JEDI`S.

They might be, but it`s hard to believe when their leader says he was intimidated by 3 tesco employees. He has force to be reckoned with, y`know.

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Male 70
psh this is not even funny really, considering the *actual* religious discrimination that goes on in the world... yeh thats right i went ther...
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Female 2,927
well they did have a point. the jedi`s did appear in public without their hoods so..
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Male 525
I hate Tesco, they always complain when I try to pray to the Flying Spaghetti Monster in the pasta aisle.

We must end this religious discrimination.

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Male 45
so muslim women are allowed to wear burkas that cover their whole head except their eyes but some guy who likes star wars too much can`t wear a hood? where`s the justice in that?
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Male 10,338
Jedi take their hood off when indoors or speaking to people, therefore Tesco is in the right.
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Female 155
The reason Tesco has the banning of wearing hoods thing is because a lot of `undesirable` people in the uk often wear items to shield their faces whilst causing general disruption or shoplifting. Not everyone who wears a hat or something does, but the one person ruins it for the rest of the population.
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Male 4,546
(Incidentally, women in my country and every neighboring country bar one (Saudi) can drive).

We`ve discussed Saudi before. Saudi is a poohole. We know this. Everyone knows this. I don`t know of any Arabs who don`t hate it. I know many people from war torn countries like Palestine and Lebanon who would rather go back home than live in Saudi. I don`t know of any exceptions.

This is what I was talking about when I took China as the only example of a secular state.

It is a cheap and easy trick. "Hey china does a lot of that whole genocide thing, must be all the Atheism in the water".

Hell you even have Saudi scholars stating that the rule is cultural not religious.

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Male 4,546
Only case of anyone in my family being stoned, Madest, as I`ve said before, are my father, and 6 year old sister.

In Scotland, for their skin color.

You`re also wrong about where "my part of the world" is.

This isn`t "wearing a symbol of your religion" like a cross. It is abiding by what you feel is decent.

That is why you have (as we`ve discussed before) Niqabs, Abayas, Sheilahs, Bhurkas, Chadors, and so on of all different shapes and sizes.

Different interpretation as to what "dressing modestly" means.

what you are saying is people must behave in a way they feel is indecent in order to not be discriminated against.

Apparently a "part of the world" run by you sounds a lot like what you think "my part of the world" looks like.

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Male 375
Why didn`t he just wave his hand in front of thier faces and "I dont need to take my hood of"
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Male 633
lol they weren`t afraid to go against his religion because they knew he wasn`t going to blow himself up.
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Male 12,138
[quote]Anyone can form a religion, religions are nice but why should a religion get rights?[/quote]

I tend to agree. Joke time:

Q: What`s the difference between Christianity and Jedi-ism?

A: About 2000 years.

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Male 1,918
Anyone can form a religion, religions are nice but why should a religion get rights
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Male 12,138
Great post, loved the response from Tesco!
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Male 139
Funny stuff! Also, anyone who starts a religion based on a sci-fi movie franchise should EXPECT persecution...
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Male 367
How idiotic.
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Female 168
Also, why did they have to take his religious scrimination away?
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Female 168
I just don`t understand why they had a policy regarding hoods in the first place...props to Tesco for the good reply though.
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Male 2,121
I love how Tesco just takes the piss...
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Male 1,204
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No crazier than a Muslim insisting on wearing a hijab for their religion. "

not necessarily...

but then again, i`m not the one you`re looking for.

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Male 168
first time im hearing about a jedi religion, think im going to join it.
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Male 5,314
well well WELL within in their rights.
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Male 5,094
Wow, Madest. Wow.
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Male 345
Why didn`t he just use the Force? Seriously, all this talk about descrimination...it`s only descrimination when the actor has the authority to impact the victim`s life based upon their beliefs and the victim has no recourse or in finding recourse would suffer further negative action by the actor.

If this guy doesn`t like it, go to another store for your sandwich and move on.

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Male 37
Seeing that it`s a 23 year old kid who belongs to a sci-fi cult, he`s probably a bizarre turd living in his parents` basement. He just wants to screw the system for some money.

Thing is, with the ferocious political correctness plaguing poor Britain these days, he`ll probably win the case if he decides to sue.

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Male 322
Same applies to the `stoned or caned for not wearing a black tablecloth`.
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Male 322
madest, there is only one country in the whole world, ONE, where women aren`t allowed to drive. ONE. So the whole `your part of the world` is a gross and extremely large generalisation of a particular religion.
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Male 7,378
Baal, I live in America where religious tolerance is written in the constitution. I`m personally for religious discrimination. I`d never hire a anyone that has to pray 5 times a day. Women in your part of the world aren`t allowed to drive and need to fear being stoned or caned for not covering themselves with a black tablecloth? It`s possible to be religious without wearing it on your sleeve. Besides it`s a big waste of time, there is no God.
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Male 716
I like how they snuck an ad in there.
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Male 3,842
I just thought of something else. If he is REALLY a Jedi, why can`t he just wave his hand and say "I don`t need to take off my hood. Move along"
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Male 3,425
Well that`s one more freak gone. Every little helps (a lot of you probably won`t get that joke).
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Male 1,002
It really blows my mind when sh.t like this happens to people and they honestly don`t understand why people refuse to take it seriously. I`m not saying people shouldn`t take their own beliefs seriously, but just try to see the other side of the argument. You belong to a religion that came from a movie. You`ve gotta learn how to roll with the punches or you`ll only drive yourself insane.
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Male 362
Who knew Tesco had a sense of humor AND pop culture? They handled it pretty well, especially by using the movies as part of their arguments.
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Male 4,546
Also, Madest, simply because it is possible for you to do something, does not mean it is desireable for you to be forced.

This clearly constitutes religious tests to discriminate against another group.

This is the same as forcing people to recite prayers, executing them if they said them in Latin rather than the accepted English. (See Origins of Goosie Goosie Gander).

Or anything in the white australia policy, including Egon Erwin Kisch.

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Male 363
*sigh* just leave me in a locked room with "Daniel" for about five minutes and I can resolve this whole problem.
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Male 4,546
Not when "interfering with your job" includes any outward display of any unsanctioned beliefs it isn`t.

Nor is it possible when your own levels of decency are violated in order to quell public Xenophobia.

Should a woman be asked to drop her pants at a moment`s notice because her employer wants to make sure she has not wearing them based on "outdated religious morals"?

Would you be making arguments such as "What if her belt loop gets caught on something, clearly she cannot perform her job whilst wearing pants"?

Maybe a bunch of white kids will feel intimidated by a black teacher or find him exotic and distracting so only "skin colors in keeping with traditional America" are allowed? Maybe you`d be in agreement with that?

I doubt it, and mainly I doubt it because it is not the current form of socially acceptable bigotry. Anti-theism is.

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Male 3,147
Thinking about it a little more.... it`s probably quite indicative of how mainstream religions got some of their doctrine from too.

like tescos points out, there`s nothing in the films about a jedi having to be covered on the head.....but this guy has created this rule in `his` church...one of HIS commandments, not yodas. church being the right word really, as he`s not the one who invented a jedi religion, he`s just started a church based on `his` interpretation of what was already an idea.

same as the catholics did...or the mormons...or any other `church`.

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Male 74
Feh, there`s only one sensible religion in the world... Pastafarianism, everyone worship the flying spaghetti monster before it`s too late. Feel the glorious touch of his noodly appendages! (No, not like that!)
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Male 7,378
Religion can be practiced without interfering with your job. Take the religious garb off. It`s all hocus-pocus anyway.
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Male 2,076
Baal,

Seems like most people on IAB could give a rats a*s about religious tolerance. You`re talking to the wrong crowd :/

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Male 25
I find it hard to believe a true Jedi would be intimidated by 3 Tesco employees.
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Male 670
people, religion in general is a step down in humanity....everyone`s going to hell yes i know...blahblahblah,,, praise allah or whatever norse mythological creatures you believe. SHUT THE drat UP YOU dratS
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Male 10
I agree with alliknow, Tesco`s response was class.
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Male 3,147
that said... i think he missed a good chance to say to the store staff -

"i`m not the one you are looking for...."

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Male 3,147
msieg007, there was a real guy called David Koresh as well... doesn`t make what he said true, or in any more ridiculous than a big imaginary father who turned up a mere 6000 years ago and made everything there is in the universe, doctored all the evidence to make us think it was much, much older, and then buggered off never to be heard of again in person other than priests, idiots, and serial killers.

how is this made up religion any more idiotic than every other made up one including christianity?

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Male 3,842
This is the most brilliantly written sentence in the article: "But the grocery empire struck back, claiming that the three best known Jedi Knights in the Star Wars movies – Yoda, Obi-Wan Kenobi and Luke Skywalker – all appeared in public without their hoods."

Come to think of it, I don`t think Yoda EVER wore a hood, so the Jedi is full of it when he claims that he can`t appear without a hood.

Nice job knowing your Star Wars facts, TESCO!

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Male 864
@msieg as far as I`m concerned, all of christianity is based on a fictitious book, so... It really isn`t that far off... Also, there is no "historical" evidence of Jesus other than the bible, which can`t be considered fact because it can`t be proven that it`s true. Even then nothing about Jesus was written until over half a century after his supposed death... Just saying.

These aren`t the hoods you`re looking for...

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Female 1,677
msieg007: Like it or not, some people don`t give a poo about Jesus. Lots of people were crucified and had magic powers back then and where are THEIR books and followers? George Lucas exists; Skywalker came out of his brain... Jesus came out of somebody else`s and is skewed forever in literature.

Difference? I still don`t see one.

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Female 155
I Think I love Tesco, maybe even more than Asda, because of this one article.
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Male 2,034
Boadicea: Like it or not, Jesus was a real dude. There`s historical evidence of him. Luke Skywalker on the other hand... not so much.
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Female 50
I`ll tell you something. Jedis man, they hate our way of life!
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Male 2,034
Jediism(sp?)??? Really?? You`re basing your religious beliefs on a FICTITIOUS movie?? That`s just one step below Scientology, as far as I`m concerned.
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Female 1,677
"It didn`t exist before the films came out, so it`s just a fanboy getting carried away"

So? Xity didn`t exist before Jesus died, and then all of HIS fanboys got carried away.

Difference? I don`t see one.

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Female 4,447
That article was way funny. Those Tesco guys are sharp, discriminators or not.
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Male 50
I suppose his Jedi mind tricks didn`t work?
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Male 4,546
Hell, see turkey, where they dropped the female attendance to university by 600`000 thanks to not allowing in people if they wear the headdress.

A failure on every level except the fight against hats. Feminism down, religious tolerance down, education down, all by spectacular degrees, but YAY no longer will hats plague our universities.

A victory I think everyone can be proud of.

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Male 4,546
Madest:
Also no crazier than telling people they can`t because of their religion, or getting upset about what your neighbors headpiece looks like.

Want to wear a hood? That`s fine.
Want to wear a hood because of your religion? Imprisonment/Penalties.

See: Belgium, France, Germany, Denmark, Netherlands, and sparse cases in the UK.

Including:
Amsterdam and Utrecht have proposed cutting social security benefit to unemployed women wearing a Burqa.

Or you could take Phil Woolas who demanded that a veil wearing teacher be sacked, accusing her of "denying the right of children to a full education".

Or that in the appeals process the court found: "That there had been indirect discrimination, but that this was acceptable".

If you have a response, please include naked pictures of your mom, after all, I don`t want to misunderstand anything you say. I want a "full education", and the nakeder the fuller.

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Male 4,546
Akinis:
My favourite line was actually (Paraphrase) "The only Jedi we know of who didn`t take off his hood was the Emperor"

Basically: "You`re not a DARK Jedi are you?"

Although.... I guess the kid could turn around and say he was a Dark Jedi and that this still therefore constitutes discrimination.

Of course then the (Light?) Jedi would need to attack en masse.

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Male 4,004
And if that is "religious discrimination" you could get off the hook pretty easily when you start stoning to death pretty much any unmarried woman who isn`t a virgin. According to Deuteronomy anyways.
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Male 1,231
"If Jedi walk around our stores with their hoods on, they`ll miss lots of special offers".
As much as i hate tesco, this was a pretty good closing comment to the interview.
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Male 4,004
"just because someone founds their own religion, doesn`t mean they shouldn`t be taken as seriously (or as not seriously) as anyone of any other religion."

Yes it does. If I create my own religion that says I have to wear a strap-on dildo at all times and it is considered rude not to spit on old people, I would expect to be sued pretty damn fast when I picked up my kid at school and spat on the principal.

The most damning thing is that this mook takes it seriously, whereas, I`m sure, the other 500,000 people in the "religion" are in it for the lulz.

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Male 2,159
"But the grocery empire struck back" - Oh God...

[pointless ranting]

I`m sorry to any Jedi`s reading, but it is frankly a stupid "religion". It didn`t exist before the films came out, so it`s just a fanboy getting carried away and finding other misguided attic-dwellers like him. He was the loser from the moment he walked in.
It`s not the only one either, isn`t "cling-on" (or however the hell you spell it) from Star Trek much the same? Just religions to use in R.E exams as a joke, like Pastafarianism. But what`s far more of a joke is that he`s planning to sue Tesco over this!

[\pointless ranting]

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Male 23
any one else notice "But the grocery empire struck back"?
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Male 511
Only In North Wales could this happen. But ive worked in Tesco and it has nothing to do with the "religion" but the fact that hoodies and thugs go hand in hand and its just a security thing.
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Female 410
I thought this was a spoof at first. Jediism? Really?
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Male 171
I think Tesco won this battle.
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Male 606
Shunpo, just because someone founds their own religion, doesn`t mean they shouldn`t be taken as seriously (or as not seriously) as anyone of any other religion.
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Female 1,260
Aaaaahhh, I must correct myself (I actually made a mistake?) yep...I just realized this took place in Wales! All bets are off now.
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Female 1,260
Okay, aside from the fact that this guy is a total nerd with a movie based religion (this is America after all) he stated that it only covered the back of his head - why all the fuss? What about all the women who wear the traditional face and head coverings that shop there?? Bet they don`t tell them to take it off!
The whole thing is pretty funny but the guy has the right to wear whatever nerdy head gear he wants.

They said it was against store policy. Was it posted?

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Male 7,378
No crazier than a Muslim insisting on wearing a hijab for their religion.
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Male 1,381
you founded your own effing religion. SURPRISE, no one takes you seriously.

grow the eff up.

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Male 1,406
Next they`ll say I can`t go in there naked! Where are my rights?
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Female 459
Hehe. Jediism.

As far as the hood thing goes, shouldn`t a jedi be respectful of someone`s rules? I dunno, I don`t really get into star wars...

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Male 13,630
They just didnt want an ugly scene by the cheese counter, as Darth Vader was deciding on either the Double Gloucester, or the Red Leicester with chives
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Male 1,270
"I don`t get why Tesco cares if someone is wearing a hood"

It`s a fairly new thing over here...we`ve had so many problems with `hoodies` that wearing hoods in shopping centres/supermarkets its stopped where possible.

The hoods scare people, and help conceal the identities of those underneath, so I think it`s fair to remove them if it`s not raining...

As for this guy...well he`s just a deluded, sad little man...

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Male 37
A business should reserve the right to exclude or include anyone based on any circumstance. However, if they exclude certain types of people, their business will suffer naturally.
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Female 778
i don`t see the big deal. they;re just looking for something to cry about.
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Male 3,343
Jedism, the new scientology?
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Male 535
Yeah Baal, the comments from Tesco were priceless.

To me, any religion is just as valid as another. after all, they`re all based on stories. But Tesco destroyed his claim by pointing out that "Yoda, Obi-Wan, and Luke" all appeared in public without hoods.

That is just a priceless responce. Second place goes to "If Jedi walk around our stores with their hoods on, they`ll miss lots of special offers". Awesome.

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Male 50
Tesco, I find your lack of faith disturbing.


(it was only a matter of time)

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Male 4,593
They should have tazed him in the nuts and then kicked some sense into him with their boots... Now THAT would make a good story.
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Male 2,229
lol, puns, the puns...

the comments are so puny

LOL

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Male 4,546
Yay, my link got posted. :)

I loved the response from Tesco. ;)

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Female 8,120
Ha-haha, well they won`t let my son take in a rucksack to carry his food home in. He lives over a mile away, they think he might use it to shoplift stuff. ??? Why don`t they just get him to leave it at the desk? Funny though.
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Female 74
I don`t get why Tesco cares if someone is wearing a hood
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Female 299
Haha oh I do love Tesco. They always have a great sense of humour.
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Male 506
That retard should just grow up and take it like a man.
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Male 1,051
"Sith happens"
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Female 691
"Obi-Wan Kenobi, Yoda and Luke Skywalker all appeared hoodless without ever going over to the Dark Side and we are only aware of the Emperor as one who never removed his hood."


BRB shopping for awesome at tesco.

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Female 2,509
really? i mean REALLY!? This is a serious legal issue? bahahhahaaha equallity and tolerance at its finest!
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Female 152
... There are no words. Truly.
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Male 471
"Obi-Wan Kenobi, Yoda and Luke Skywalker all appeared hoodless without ever going over to the Dark Side and we are only aware of the Emperor as one who never removed his hood."

I wanna find a Tesco so I can start shopping there. They sound awesome.

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Male 298
His jedi powers must be rubbish if he can be whupped by tesco....
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Male 4,546
Link: Religious Descrimination at Tesco Store? [Rate Link] - Has political correctness gone too far, or was Tesco well within their rights?
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