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Monial, the "Battle of Britain" was an extended bombing campaign against Great Britain by the Luftwaffe. The fighter pilots who defended Great Britain were drawn from the RAF, and the United States AAF. The few Polish pilots who participated flew CAP against Bomber formations picked up by radar and engaged them WELL off the British coast.
Yes, many Britons died during the Battle of Britain, however, now it seems that you`re implying that your grandfather was either amongst the support personnel (which isn`t true... no Polish nationals were used for ground defense on the British Isles... the Home Office verifies this if you`d care to look it up.) or he was a pilot, which is doubtful, since you would have mentioned that in your original post in which you claimed he died "fighting in Britain"
Regardless... there was NO GROUND CAMPAIGN in the British Isles during WWII.
You can stop trying to rewrite history any time you`d like.
In the event that your grandfather was a fighter pilot (Many Polish pilots escaped the invasion with their aircraft and fought under RAF command), I think you would have mentioned that was a pilot, NOT just said "he was killed fighting in Britain).
Monial, I am neither angry, nor ignorant, but I DO take issue with people that post bullsh*t, or completely make sh*t up and quote unsubstantiated figures and statistics thinking that no one will call them on it.
Getting back on topic, the only reason I took issue with you to begin with, was your claim that the swastika was NOT offensive to most of the world`s population.
First, you stated that your grandfather died during WWII fighting in Great Britain.
I hate to be the one to tell you this, but no one ever invaded Great Britain during WWII, so I can`t accept your claim that your grandfather died "fighting" there.
Second, (and I`ll really try to leave this alone after this post) All you`re doing at this point is trying to justify your original statement that the majority of the world`s population does not find the swastika offensive. You`re doing so with long rambling posts that have absolutely NOTHING to do with your original comment.
No one here has claimed the Holocaust happened in that classroom.
Your comments become more outrageous and outlandish as this goes on, so perhaps it`s best to just drop it altogether, since you`re making no sense whatsoever.
Wow... you`re just an amazing example of an individual who will go to any length, including claiming that countries in Asia are not part of Asia to prove a point that cannot be proved.
You`ve made up statistics that cannot be verified, and used population estimates in a futile attempt to prove that in YOUR eyes, the swastika is NOT an offensive symbol to the majority of the world.
I`m not trying to change your mind... you`re far too hard headed to admit that you`re wrong.
As for your being Polish... I`m going to hazard a guess that any living member of your family, or ancestors that were in Poland on September 1, 1939 do not share your views of the swastika being a symbol of peace.
By the way, not all Chinese and Vietnamese are Buddhists, so it is incorrect to claim that 3/4 of the world`s population shares your views.
If you see a white guy with a shaved head wearing a shirt with this symbol, would you think, "Hey, that`s a symbol for peace in Asia."No, you wouldn`t. If you saw a monk in Asia wearing this symbol, then maybe you could say that.
No one, least of all me is disagreeing with the fact that a swastika has a benevolent purpose among certain Asian cultures.
However, you continue to try to group ALL Asians together in what has become a pathetic attempt to prove your point.
Your "pirledge" of living is Asia for 22 years is irrelevant, and shows you know little about the continent you allegedly lived on.
You`re saying that people in Russia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikstan, The Phillipines, Burma, Sri Lanka, Bhutan, East Timor, Armenia, Bahrain, Azerbaijan, Brunei, Cyprus, Georgia, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, Maldives, Qatar, Oman, Syria, Turkey, United Arab Emirates, Yemen and ISRAEL don`t see it as a Nazi symbol.
Stop talking sh*t.
Try buying a clue... and maybe a map before you make such foolish generalizations.
only if you`re jewish...
Finally, I`m conclusive proof that someone can simply be too dense to be a facist =D
That`ll pass. I dont see anyone think of a hurricane when someone is named Andrew.
Oh and clay for dumb poster of the week?
And which do you think is the more historically significant event? Buddhists hugging each other, or one of the worst genocides in human existence? Yes, Hitler defaced it. He did so permanently. We all know what it used to represent, but to pretend that the swastika will ever be free of the taint of Nazism IS stupidity.
correct me if i`m wrong, isn`t that the hindu sign for peace?
Wow, I was just going to post to complain about the whole "peace symbol" thing. Then I saw your post.
I was going to call Clayboy out on his BS. Then I saw your post.
Glad to see someone can iterate what I would`ve liked to, and do an unquestionably better job.
Are you delusional???
Every western society has active Nazi and Neo-Nazi groups among their population. It`s ignorant for you to imply otherwise.
You also said: "Let history be part of the past. Its not exactly a big deal."
I fail to see how the genocide of 6,000,000 Jews, 3,000,000 Soviet POWS, 2,000,000 Ethnic Poles, 1,500,000 Romani, and nearly 500,000 Disabled Persons, Homosexuals, and other religious minorities is "not exactly a big deal".
You`re a sick, sick, person for even implying that.
I said the MAJORITY of the world now sees it as a representation of something horrible.
YOUR statement "most of population of Asia see it as positive symbol" has absolutely no basis in fact. Quoting estimated population figures to try to prove your point is ludicrous.
While it does indeed represent certain positive aspects of Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism, the Chinese didn`t adopt it as a symbol to represent the sun until the Tang Dynasty.
Yes, it is a symbol that has been used for various reasons by many societies all over the world.
Because of its use by Hitler and the Nazis and, in modern times, by neo-Nazis and other hate groups, the swastika is largely associated with Nazism and white supremacy in most Western countries.
Actually, the swastika stands for good luck, this is a reverse swastika and should only be perceived as offensive if your mom died of bad luck.
Or maybe it`s the fact that a dude killed a f*ck load of people under a very similar symbol? HMM?
And thus, it was so.
A swastika, after the Nazis used it as their symbol, will forever be associated with them. To pretend otherwise is stupid.
Yes its fairly fresh history, but like other tragic events which have come and gone.. chances are you don`t get all defensive when you read about them in a history book or see the signs associated with them. I mean, if this was the case.. we would see the Christian cross pretty negatively still for all the atrocities associated with it. But we don`t.
Look, to boil it down, the only reason those desks are made into a swastika is because whoever made it knows that someone will react to it.
Let history be part of the past. Its not exactly a big deal.
Really?!? Why are there folks arguing that the swastika is OK?
You used to be able to walk up to someone and say they were "looking mighty gay today". Now, unless you are speaking to a homosexual, you are apt to get a fist in the nose.
Meanings are changed and altered with time. The Swastika`s meaning has been forever altered and all the "but it used to mean this..." crap will never make it not hold the new meaning.
What happened happened. You can`t take it back...
I`m seriously not going to lose sleep over it.
Also, I feel for both sides of the argument. Yes, it started out as a good thing. Yes, it was stolen by evil, and that`s how the world views it. My question is this: Is it too early to try and erase its association with evil and bring back the good part? I just don`t know. Will our understanding of what happened be different because we choose to "give back" the symbol? What if we only associate the symbol in a white circle on a red background with Nazism? Why give it back at all?
More than my mind can handle.
@ Everyone babbling on about it being "an ancient symbol, blah, blah, blah..." put a sock in it.
Regardless of the symbol`s original meaning, the majority of the world now sees it as a representation of something horrible, and that is something that quite possibly will NEVER change.
It seriously pisses me off that EVERY time a representation of a swastika shows up in a link here, the same people keep trying to say there`s nothing wrong with it.
We KNOW it was appropriated by the Nazi Party, NOT created by them.
That doesn`t change what the majority of the world`s population now associates it with.
So why not ?
IT`S A SWASTIKA YOU DOLT!
I was over-thinking it and was focusing on the poor quality of the desks / chairs / etc and then bam. saw it.