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Although I do hate bras and I wish I could obliterate them from the face of the planet. They hurt.
It`s OK - there are people like you to balance that out.
I get what you`re trying to say Ollie, but any car`s not REALLY a Holden until its done at least 300,000km - until then it`s just a toddler wearing a Holden diaper.
The UK got a 500HP version, because why not? They called it a Vauxhall Monaro VXR500, but it was a Holden with a name change. It drank fuel and was as sophisticated as farting, but it was half the price of other cars of comparable size and performance.
Here`s one answer - Roush. They`ll tune it quite a lot for not all that much money, turning it into a car that has enough power and greatly improved handling. US$14K for 2010.
Here`s Jeremy Clarkson with the 2006 Roush Mustang, close to the 2007 model you mentioned. Bear in mind how scathing he is about lumbering overweight muscle cars that don`t have enough power and can`t go round corners properly.
About 3:05, when the Roush Mustang accelerates past the Shelby Mustang...what a noise. The basso profundo of the big V8 and the soprano of the supercharger. It`s like a pride of lions roaring at a swarm of bees on speed, with megaphones.
I agree on the inadequate power, though. A muscle car as heavy as stock USA muscle cars would need a lot more power to live up to the noise. Stock USA muscle cars are too much mouth for their trousers.
Not in Aus. European and American imports all seem to balance out pricewise, the difference being that European kicks American arse. That said, Japanese, and even some other Asian cars are pantsing both Euros and Yanks in terms of bang for the buck.
1.8L Engine. $45`000.
2007 Mustang GT.
0-60: 5.1s (Worse)0-100: 12.7s (better)Top Speed: 149MPH
4.6L Engine, $35`000. (23% cheaper)
Now consider however, that the Lotus Elise can turn a corner.
I don`t like American cars. I don`t understand why they`re roaring at me when they aren`t doing anything for it.
Muscle cars? I guess... but surely some of the muscle should be placed somewhere other than the vocal chords...
Additionally, when something is large, but low on power... isn`t that more fat than muscle? Wouldn`t the Muscle Car be the 2L engine that puts out 250HP, as opposed to the 5L engine that puts out 250HP?
BTW, "â‚¬" is what you get when you try to post the symbol for euro on this board.
The engines are under less stress, so you can use inferior (and thus cheaper) materials to make them.
You need less R&D money.
The engines will run for many miles even with cheaper materials.
It`s easier with a bigger engine to get more low-end torque, which matters more in the USA market.
Other engines will get more power, more economy, lower emissions...but they`ll cost a lot more to develop and to build and that strongly affects the price of making the car. That in turn moves it up market, which makes better quality all round necessary (at more extra cost) to suit the market. A European sports saloon will spank a USA muscle car...but at twice the price.
Check this bad boy out; one horsepower, straw powered, engine at 5mph tops. Will beat any one of your rides anyday.
I actually had the venerable Evo, STi, and S2000 in mind. The first two for their monstrous amounts of power for such small displacement, and the S2000 for Honda`s genius in squeezing that many horsepower out of a N/A engine (which is also tiny).
I do concede that a V8 done correctly is far beyond a regular V4, but my point was more about the disgusting inefficiency of most American cars. "Need more horsepower? No problem. Let`s make the engine even bigger!" It just seems to me that they don`t bother trying to push the boundary of engineering, and just take the relatively easy way out.
But there`s still the old adage "There`s no replacement for displacement," so...meh.
Angilion, this is our Focus over the pond. I own one and love it, but its not as upscale as the one they sell in europe, and neither is the price. The RS is not here yet, but will be released here in 2011 along with the global Focus, the same Focus you will get.
But that said, I have two cars atm, a Mitubishi Pajero and a BMW 328Ci. The road car before that was a 1980 Ford XD. Interestingly, the XD and the Ci are almost identical to drive, both leave all the other cars at the lights just sitting there, both are great on fuel and comfortable on long trips. In fact the only real difference is that the Ci is a lot quieter, and I have to stick to roads, whereas I could take the XD anywhere. Given that it was made 20 years before I sold it, I have to admit the Ford was pretty damn well made for its time.
There`s a "slightly" modified Smart that would beat it in the traditionally American quarter mile drag race.
Not so true any more. Besides, American cars are traditionally made for a different market to other cars, one in which neither performance nor handling nor economy nor interior is important.
315bhp and 3575lbs...that`s not an impressive combination. 315bhp from a big V8 is hilariously low. You can get that from an engine a third of that size...
...which means that the engine in the Mustang is effectively detuned, which means there`s a lot of scope for tuning it at relatively little cost.
The only thing I like about USA muscle cars is the engine noise, but they`re not entirely crap. Just intended for a different market.
Take a dump in what aspect moogle? MPGs? That and suspension is the only thing I can think of. Many four bangers are popular for the fwd which we all know is worthless.
Name me a four banger that doesn`t need to have weight reduction done, doesn`t need forced induction, and doesn`t need nitrous to keep up with a lightly modded v8. Go on, I`ll give you some time to think of one.
Don`t get me wrong, there are some quick cars that are 4 bangers, but comparing the potential of that with a v8 is comparing apples to oranges.
Lol murry is being cute, can`t debate so he has to say childish things : )
but funny sticker
Keith2, it`s alright if a chick has a faster car than yours, I`m sure they`ll still like you for you ;)
I like American muscle cars, Mustangs and Mopar being my favorite. I have my respect to some import cars, but the real enemy here is the 4 bangers :P
Vheiro, seeing that you`re from Europe, you wouldn`t care for the concept of having a car that is mod-friendly. Most Americans don`t care much for the nice interior that euro cars have in contrast to the cheap plastic interior of mustangs. I just want a fun car.
ZIMAAgent7, that`s not a problem, Mustang is America`s automotive icon. Without it, GM heads wouldn`t be having their camaro and the muscle car wars wouldn`t take full flight like it has.
RickyGTO, I call shenanigans for your claims. First off, you must be comparing your engine to that of a stock v8 buick in `64 with only about 200hp. Second, a forced induced engine will have cruddy gas millage. Dyno pull for hp numbers and show me actual MPG calculation *not from factory*. Show me timeslips that you`ve raced against a V8 engine and maybe I`ll believe you.
Are you sure it`s the `stangs that make them take their shirts off and not the gold chain dangling in your chest hair over your half-unbuttoned Hawaiian shirt? Or maybe that sweet super-narrow moustache? Then again, it could also be the smooth jazz playing from the `stang`s stereo.
anyways, I think i need to get this car!
1. Modern cars are made of pliable materials that get crushed easily for the purpose of dampening the impact, which actually saves lives. Yours and the person you`re hitting.2. "you`ll be the only one walking away" sounds like you`d be happy if you killed someone in a car crash. Yup, good man.
all i have is an `06 sentra...
Good ol` American muscle. Screw the damn emission standards and let them all run without catalytic converters. It makes hippies and Al Gore cry.
I think that would be on fancy`s harddrive.