Time for ``Guess Which State This Happened In``

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Kid suspended after telling Muslim classmate to stand for Pledge of Allegiance, then says "take that thing off her head"
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Female 500
that girl makes me sick.
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Male 312
@flipNhigh. 1 Where did you get your facts form, and 2. The damn I am a racist!s should have stayed slaves.
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Male 194
ok lets make some observations...she is a ROTC student, she loves/repects America, it is obvious that she would ask the muslim girl to at least stand up *i mean after all, SHE IS IN AMERICA, if you dont like it or respect it, then go back to where you came or wherever it is that you want to go* and the hijab thing, look at any football/baseball game, Americans take their hats off when saying the pledge, i know its a religious thing, but if a girl doesnt wear it in the middle east, shes beaten, here, its ok, so yes it is her choice but no one is going to beat you if you take it off here, so try and be repectful...all and all i agree with the ROTC girl and her parents, go to court and fight it
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Male 194
and in case, someone really didnt know...it was in where else? Florida...
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Male 194
ok lets make some observations...she is a ROTC student, she loves/repects America, it is obvious that she would ask the muslim girl to at least stand up *i mean after all, SHE IS IN AMERICA, if you dont like it or respect it, then go back to where you came or wherever it is that you want to go* and the hijab thing, look at any football/baseball game, Americans take their hats off when saying the pledge, i know its a religious thing, but if a girl doesnt wear it in the middle east, shes beaten, here, its ok, so yes it is her choice but no one is going to beat you if you take it off here, so try and be repectful...all and all i agree with the ROTC girl and her parents, go to court and fight it
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Male 194
@jtrebowski
screw you
im a conservative and not a pedo, sexist, or racist
and *cough* WHO FREED THE SLAVES?!?!?! a REPUBLICAN!!! and the democrats wanted them to remain slaves
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Male 24
So, AussieSheila... what country are Muslims from? For bonus points, can you also tell me what country Christians, Jews, Catholics, and Athiests are from?

This country is also about freedom of religion and if somebody chooses not to worship the God mentioned in the Pledge then that is their right as an American.

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Male 503
she was incorrect on all counts. IT IS ABSOLUTELY THE TEACHER`S RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE ALL STUDENTS STAND during the pledge. As gar as being a bigot and telling her to remove her head covering, she`s really on her own. If you`re going to live here, and school here, as I recall it is a requirement to stand for the pledge, the only non requirement is using the term "under god".
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Male 674
The girl should have just let the Muslim girl not stand, though the Muslim girl should have stood anyways. As for the school, it should have just gotten the JROTC girl to simply apologize and get ob with it, instead they get stupid and suspend someone over an honest mistake...
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Male 3,369
duffytoler
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
931 Posts Tuesday, September 01, 2009 3:36:50 AM
Heather is a BABE. The muslim chick is probably fat and ugly. Also, she`s muslim. Therefore, Heather is right, and fat ugly disrespectful muslim should be shot or waterboarded or something. NO QUARTER.
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Ok, Duffytoler...I`m going to make some observations.
1.Pedophile....check
2.Racist....check
3.sexist.....check
yup....you must be a conservative
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Female 48
She`s in America, she should respect the country and its citizens. If we didn`t respect their culture in their country we`d be screwed
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Male 73
"Wow, Americans are really stricklers for that sort of stuff, huh? Us Australians barely know our national anthem."

Yeah, we like to indoctrinate them when they`re still young.

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Male 4
the girl is likely a little off kilter- but I am getting sick of the "guess what state" headlines. We don`t need more trashing. (though i do hate the GATORS, who are so by choice.

Stupid people are everywhere.

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Male 48
So the ROTC girl thinks she`s been appointed to monitor and correct the behavior of others, especially `foreign` looking students with unfamiliar (i.e. wrong) religeons?

...and instead of telling her to focus on her own behavior and integrity, her parents encourage her?

She`ll make a great God-fearing conservative American when she grows up.

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Atomic flaming coming in 3... 2... 1...

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Male 379
there both over-reactors why cant they just chill
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Male 367
Hey, my teachers make us stand for the pledge... >.>
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Male 549
we need a draft so that every person feeling the flag means nothing, and wont salute will learn through their own flesh what that flag represents. and whats with the redneck comment? i happen to live in the south and have lots of redneck friends, to be redneck is not to be racist, i love rednecks they are the first to have your back if they are your friend. don`t be ignorant rednecks are good people.
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Male 525
Max_Normal could be worse I`m from Northern Ireland and as everybody knows

Flags + Northern Ireland = RIOTS!!

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Male 949
I refuse to say the Pledge unless the "under God" part is removed.
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Male 240
That girl is a mother effing idiot.
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Male 471
Just curious, to those flag lovers here, what would you say to a white, very conservative right leaning person who didn`t say the pledge because they pledge allegiance to God only, not to a country that will eventually forsake Him/them?
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Male 720
LOLOLOLOL why do people still think you have freedoms in high school? They`re f*cking rednecks anyway, they`ll probably forget all about it once Hee Haw comes on.
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Male 5,194
Ok, so let`s ship the ugly hajib woman off to Europe so she can plan terrorist attacks over there and hang out with all the other hairy women. Europeans LOVE muslims, and will do anything muslims tell them to.
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Male 287
I totally agree with this. You wanna live here? Fine. Our rules, pal. You`re perfectly happy to reap the benefits of a country all the while showing zero regard for the social mores of said country. I`m from the UK, incidentally, but it applies to the Staes too. Anyone who says otherwise is a pussy.
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Male 4,014
http://www.tampabay.com/news/education/k...

OK? SHE MADE IT UP TO COVER HER RACISM. EVERYONE, INCLUDING THE TEACHERS, SAY THE MUSLIM GIRL DID STAND UP, AND FURTHER, THE MUSLIM GIRL NEVER LEFT THE CLASS ROOM. So lil miss JROTC spewed racism IN CLASS, not in the hall.

xavroche - being in JROTC doesn`t lead necessarily to being an officer. She said she intended to enlist after high-school, while (as you probably know) being an officer requires a bachelors degree. Enlisting is different than commissioning.

I want everyone to know that, while I never served any active duty, I did participate in ROTC for a few years in college, and if this sort of thing happened in college (she is still a kid, people do stupid things as kids) she would be swiftly kicked out of ROTC.

The American Military does NOT COUNTENANCE LYING.

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Male 500
Weird. In England we don`t have a flag to bow down to. We had St Georges Cross, used to be the England flag. But now if you use it the left say that you must be a right wing soccer thug that hates everything that is not white, male, english and working class. Putting up and england flag makes left wing middle class lesbians faint. Strangely, black people don`t seem to care as they just see a flag. We`d use the Union Jack, the flag of Britain, but it has a St Andrews cross on it, and the Scots don`t want to be British and have their own flag which is the only one they use. The Welsh are pretty much the same, you won`t see the Union Jack there either, just the dragon thing. Fair enough. So not much to get het up about really.
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Male 549
i`ll say it again America is in dire trouble because we have lost respect and responsibility. that flag is not just a piece of fabric, physically it is but if you truely love this country you will remember 911, vietnam, korea, WWI, WWII, all the sacrifices that have been made so that you now have the right to express your opinion as nihilistic as it may be. you can at least acknowledge that right? sure our government isn`t perfect but its the duty of the people to change that and the flag our nation bares stands just for that, that the few will not rule the many. i am an immigrant i love this country more than the one i was born in. i am a citizen because i wanted to be woven into the fiber od this nation and it bothers me to see people say the flag is meaningless, if i would not have come here i would be dead, my father would have been killed by sandinistas, so maybe i take it a bit personal
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Male 335
Here`s the good news, people: That little jughead peice of poo girl will enter the army and get herself killed because she`s a drating moron, and the world will be better place. Thanks, karma!
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Male 819
"Oh and what 16 y.o. wants to join the army, pushy parents much?"

She`s in the jrotc, which is probably why she`s wearing a uniform in the pic. It`s a quarter billion dollar a year government sponsored high school program in the States... At that age it often kind of borders on indoctrination imho...

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Female 673
Wow, Americans are really stricklers for that sort of stuff, huh? Us Australians barely know our national anthem.
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Male 196
Just curious but why do all these stories come from Florida? Oh and what 16 y.o. wants to join the army, pushy parents much?
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Male 322
sereniee: "both should have gotten a warning"

Um no. Cuz, see, if you`d read the actual follow up story and the dozens of comments about that fact that she LIED, you`d note that the Muslim girl DID in fact stand. So why does she need a warning, again?

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Male 1,153
"America; love it, or leave it."

haha, gone

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Male 995
"Heather is a BABE. The muslim chick is probably fat and ugly. Also, she`s muslim. Therefore, Heather is right, and fat ugly disrespectful muslim should be shot or waterboarded or something. NO QUARTER."

Here begins one of the most difficult "Spot the brain cell" contests we`ve had in some time...

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Male 1,153
I think the muslim girl is right. Why bother talking to a flag?
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Male 2,159
Is it Florida?

*Checks*

Yes!!

This whole story is stupid. All of it.

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Male 819
No field trips for 60 days... I think the correct reaction would have been to ensure this person is never a reserve army officer....
Not only is she racist but she is willing to make a very consequential fabrication to cover up her faults....
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Male 5,194
Heather is a BABE. The muslim chick is probably fat and ugly. Also, she`s muslim. Therefore, Heather is right, and fat ugly disrespectful muslim should be shot or waterboarded or something. NO QUARTER.
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Male 1,360
And she wants to go to a muslim country to fight, oh oh...
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Male 62
"conclusion: everyone`s an asshat"

Agreed.

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Male 650
conclusion: everyone`s an asshat
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Male 557
why exactly was this girl wandering the halls telling a girl to stand up for the pledge of allegiance when she herself was walking around
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Male 74
"America; love it, or leave it."

What a dumb comment. I`m pretty sure that you don`t have to LOVE america to live in america. There are times I don`t love america (2000-2008) But I stayed because I`m not just going to leave if I don`t like some bit of it.

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Female 205
hum, well the white chick seems to not understand that telling the other girl to take off her hajib is more or less trampling on her right to express her religion. also not standing for the pledge is not a polite thing to do. both should have gotten a warning, although white chick seems to think shes superior compared to people that arnt the classic american image. she needs to get some sensitivity training and the other chick needs to show respect
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Male 1,918
Yes the girl was being an ass but all she did was talk, she didn`t even swear. Like, WTF
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Male 70
"That`s one of the most disrespectful things you can do,"

I 100% agree.

America; love it, or leave it.

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Male 84
all middle eastern people are the enemy, which is in itself a racist and ignorant statement. not only that, but she wants to be an ROTC officer, but doesnt know what it symbolizes. second of all, the girl DID stand up, so theres nothing to be angry about. and third of all, even if she DID say it out of anger, she still said it and its still a racist thing and she still should be disciplined

"funny the way the cookie crumbles sometimes"

wtf does that even mean?

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Male 74
lol dumb people on IAB.
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Male 84
yah, IAB, i think apermal has a point and you need to do a follow up post. these people are really gettting annoying with the whole "OMG SHE DIDNT STAND FOR THE PLEDGE?!?!"

"wow, one person gets suspended for exercising free speech the other gets nothing."

freedom of speech doesnt always apply in a public school. thats why you have to raise your hand instead of being able to shout out whatever you want.

"if the girl has the right not to respect the flag then the other girl should have the right to speak her mind."
*sigh* she stood up for it...

"she didn`t say anything racist or prejudice"

"Take that thing off of your head"

oh, thats not racist or anything

"i can see how in a moment of anger she could have said take that off your head, and that although wrong is protected under the constitution."

first of all, the girls a scumbag liar who is proved to be a racist in the follow up article, saying she believes

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Female 1,004
I enjoy lurking on these types of threads just to see the ignorance that spews forth from the minds of certain people...

I`d like to ask someone to edit this post to somehow include the second story so we may stop getting all these "WELL SHE DIDN STAND 4 DE FLAG" bull.
If you guys haven`t noticed yet, that part was false. Look at some older posts to find the link and you`ll know.

I really think classes should be used for teaching, not for reciting a poem every day. Maybe every once in a while to still hold value instead of becoming some white noise to suffer through. The 90th time around, I`m not thinking about America, I`m wondering whether I did homework or not.
Just my opinion. But I don`t have to do it anymore, so I won`t gripe.

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Female 215
I don`t know why people keep calling the Muslim girl out for not standing, the follow-up article says she DID stand.

The pledge is an old-fashioned concept; it includes religion in it (the reason I never stood for the pledge) and the fervent nationalism that plagues the US and tears us and immigrants apart. It`s not disrespectful to sit during the pledge. You`ve just been doing it for so long without question that it becomes ingrained.

For the record, my grandpa fought in Vietnam and Korea and refuses to stand for any sort of Pledge of Allegiance or singing of the national anthem. Does he disrespect his fallen comrades? Of course not. Does he hate his country? He obviously doesn`t if he fought for it and put his life at risk. He just thinks it`s silly to praise a symbol.

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Male 322
IAB, I think you need to do a separate post about the news update where it shows that the girl lied.

Some people in the comments thread obviously are too blind to note that. Despite several links to the update in the comments thread.

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Female 377
First off, I think the hijab statement was a bit uncalled for, but that`s all. The Lawrence girl should definitely not have been punished this severely, a detention would have been enough for that comment.

I`m an immigrant and an atheist.
I don`t think religion should have anything to do with this topic.
You don`t have to SAY the pledge, but standing for it is cultural respect.

She resides in the USA and should at least have the courtesy to respect it.

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Male 9,305
I never really understood why we are told we are free to do what we believe in, yet as kids we are all but physically forced to "pledge our allegiance" to the flag.

If you sit during the process you are yelled at, considered disrespectful, shunned even, and yet the entire idea behind America was one of freedom from persecution.

The two don`t add up.

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Female 27
Ok, I`ll give a short, sweet answer.

OK: Telling the girl to stand up for the pledge. It is respectful.

Not OK: Telling her to "take that thing off her head". That`s a bit ignorant.

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Male 741
SilverThread

It`s called "idol worshiping" you freakin` mook. It`s against their religion.

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Male 27
I am truly saddened by the comments here for this post; especially from the younger ones. Many of you obviously hate America, but like to enjoy her perks. You aren`t Americans...oh, it may say you are on your birth certificate or your passport, but you aren`t really, not where it counts, deep down inside of your gut. You are part of the "rabble", the bottom feeders, who take everything, do nothing, but sit back and take pot shots at people who you believe are cave dwellers, because they have the balls to say that they love America, and what she stands for.
For the record...racism is wrong. However, IF this girl questioned the other as to why she didn`t stand for the POA, then good for her. Seems to me, the Muslims who have immigrated to this country would be the first to stand up and shout to the rafters, how glad they are to be Americans. If not, why did they leave to come here?
Keep this in mind...she didn`t get her throat cut by NOT standing. How about that?
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Male 3,755
What if the Jewish boy had refused to stand? What if someone said "Take that stupid hat off your head?"

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Male 3,755
"if you don`t like America GTFO..."

If you don`t like America, use your voice and votes to change it. If others agree, change may happen. If not, at least your taking advantage of what we stand for.

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Male 47
P.S. im white.
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Male 47
i would literally slap tht b*tch if i heard her say tht shizz
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Male 3,431
drat`n A.

Woorthless pices of crap can at least Salute the Flag that gives her the FREEDOM to choose which ever religion she wants.

She needs to be boot slapped back to what ever stoneage poo hole she came from.

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Female 189
Meh, my history teacher doesn`t make us stand for O Canada. His argument is, "I don`t need to stand up to be respectful." Sitting down is where it`s at.
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Male 33
It`s a drating flag. Who cares if she didn`t stand for it. I don`t stand for the pledge of allegiance and I`m American. I support my country by working my ass off and "pledging my allegiance" to a flag doesn`t make me or anyone else less patriotic... And to people that say GTFO, you`re dumb. We`re all immigrants, so get over your Americans Only bullpoo already.
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Male 2,372
esopillar34

In light of that new information, I still think you`re a fuc... just kidding.

I have always allowed myself to change my opinion when there are new facts to consider, and I clearly did not have the updated information. Thanks for posting it for me. I now see what you mean, especially in light of the fact that her credibility is basically shot!

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Male 471
Well, of course she`s going to deny being a racist when confronted by a newspaper/national exposure.

Do you still believe she saw the Muslim girl not stand, manorrd?

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Male 2,372
Lionhart2

...the next line in the article goes...

"Lawrence denies she said that or feels that way."

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Male 549
lionhart you have hit the nail on the head, if you don`t like america GTFO unfortunately there are too many hypocrites in here taking advantage of our system and disrespecting our beloved land. i have lots of respect for australia and would at least stand for their pledge as a symbol of fraternity, now i know muslims dont salute the flag, but could you at least acknowledge it?
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Male 8,302
[quote] After the incident, Lawrence was asked by a teacher why she confronted the girl.

"She began to rant that she was enlisting and was going to Iraq and that basically because the girl looks Middle Eastern, that makes her an enemy because all Iraqis are Middle Eastern," according to the referral signed by assistant principal Stephen Crognale.[/quote]

In other words, racist bi*ch.

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Male 8,302
All the evidence and other articles suggest it was a lie, she DID stand, etc etc... but so what!? She has a right not to stand, a right to not be hypocritical and recite a pledge she doesn`t believe in. Are we really saying we`d rather someone falsely swears an oath they don`t believe in, than tells us the truth of their feelings toward it?
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Male 471
"I blame the parents. I mean, in the second article the school officials pretty much proved she was obviously lying. The parents still try to ignore all the facts, and tell their kid that she was right."

Remember those girls that videotaped themselves beating the life out of another girl, then putting the video on youtube, and the whole scandal behind that? One of the beater`s parents refused to believe that her daughter did that, EVEN WITH VIDEO EVIDENCE. Some people just refuse to see proof right in front of her face, especially if their child is involved.

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Male 549
wow, one person gets suspended for exercising free speech the other gets nothing. if the girl has the right not to respect the flag then the other girl should have the right to speak her mind. she didn`t say anything racist or prejudice i can see how in a moment of anger she could have said take that off your head, and that although wrong is protected under the constitution. funny how the cookie crumbles sometime
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Male 471
Again, manorrd, according to the Muslim girl in question, and EVERY PERSON in that girl`s homeroom class, the girl stood. Also, according to the accused bully`s homeroom teacher, she never even left during that class period. Are we really to believe this is a massive conspiracy involving 30+ people, instead of a bigot covering for her lies? Did you just not see the updated news story (from the town`s local paper), or are you choosing to ignore it because it hurts your argument? Link to the update, on the off chance that you missed it.

Also, it`s questionable tact, but not really an issue to ask or even tell someone they should stand for the pledge. But to tell someone they should, and I quote, "Take that thing off their head", is very offensive and deserving of disciplin

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Male 2,372
[email protected]

You can`t just make it up as you go...

"The FACTS are- she wanted to insult the Muslim girl with hateful anti-Muslim remarks. Then she needed an excuse after she got caught, so she made up a story about the girl not standing for the pledge"

...really? According to ABC, the teen says an issue over the American flag is why she was written up and handed a five-day suspension from Springstead High School this week for criticizing a Muslim student. Do you have a source to confirm your explanation of the chain of events, or is this just how you `feel` things must have gone down.

"she ACTUALLY HAS THE RIGHT to not stand.."

True, and Miss Lawrence has the right to feel offended by it.

"even though SHE DID STAND."

All reports say otherwise.

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Female 2,289
They both were wrong on their part, but the other girl should have got suspended too for not at least not standing for the pledge.
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Male 3,755
That being said, don`t kid yourself into thinking this doesn`t happen as isolated incidents in all 50 states. Whenever different cultures come together there will be some amount of tension.
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Male 3,755
I`ve seen this happen in Texas too. I was a sub at a junior high and some kids were saying to some Indian kids "don`t blow us up." One kid replied, "I`m not even Muslim." Anyway, I tried to ignore it at first because they were doing a good job at telling the guys off, but more people joined in. So, I went over to them and told them to stop. They asked why. I was kind of pissed and so I yelled "Because that`s racist!" The Indian kids said thank you like they were happy someone finally said something. Makes you wonder how much it goes on and if other teachers do anything about it.

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Female 33
I blame the parents. I mean, in the second article the school officials pretty much proved she was obviously lying. The parents still try to ignore all the facts, and tell their kid that she was right. If the parents are basically going to reward their daughter, there seems no point to even suspend her besides pleasing the Muslum girl and her family.

Yeah, stating the obvious. But it`s sad that the intolerance isn`t going to stop with this girl..

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Male 512
Heh, I would`ve guessed Texas
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Male 478
this entire argument is full of FAIL on all counts
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Female 1,890
i kinda suspected texas :\ ive acually seen this happen xD i love you and your discrimination texas <3
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Female 1,593
I thought the title of the article was "Fap over flag"

I love how at the beginning of the article they try to paint the white girl to be this country loving innocent. And I`m pretty sure the girl did get up in the Muslim girl`s face. Furthermore, the white girl is going to fight for freedom in the Army, but isn`t accepting the freedom of choice the Muslim girl is expressing. Nice.

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Male 12,365
madest: That site is raving.

The swastika is a pair of stylised `S`, standing for `socialism`? What a crock. It`s an ancient symbol of prosperity that the Nazis corrupted, like they corrupted everything else they touched.

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Female 327
Before clicking the link, I`m going to guess Florida.
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Male 471
Heh, this thread has me rolling.

Especially people like Teelelen. And manorrd, who`s so wrong I`m surprised he hasn`t double-negative`d himself into being right.

The FACTS are- she wanted to insult the Muslim girl with hateful anti-Muslim remarks. Then she needed an excuse after she got caught, so she made up a story about the girl not standing for the pledge. Nevermind the fact that she ACTUALLY HAS THE RIGHT to not stand, even though SHE DID STAND.

Also, Lando, don`t apologize- your first point there still stands in general, just not in this specific case.

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Male 736
kannalilly: we`ve got our fair share of bigots here too, don`t forget. having said that, i find myself lining up with landogriffin as he makes the point that the right to ignore the pledge is a wonderful expression of the pledge`s authenticity.
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Male 2,344
"hey, my ma and pa say that if gonna gonna live in Amurka, they had gotta be able to speak Amurkan."
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Female 4,447
Thanks Lando, I skipped the post and just clicked your link instead. I copied a comment taken from that article because it clearly states exactly how I feel about it.
"I am sorry for the abuse addressed to the Muslim student. Heather needs greater insights. Suggest she postpone enlistment & get education on civil rights, history,etc. to enable her to understand the responsibility of a military commitment."
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Male 32
the girl should have stood up what a retard i hate people who SAY they hate america yet the go to our school systems and public programs while people like my friends and brother in afghanistan are fighting for our right to live in america
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Male 404
No one in any of my classes says the pledge of allegiance. Some just put their hand over their heart. some don`t even bother doing that.
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Male 404
I guessed Utah.

Oh well.

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Female 635
She was within her boundries to ask her to stand, but telling her to take off her hijab.
Yeah, that`s America, but it`s not just for Americans. It is, like it or not, wrong to insult someone`s religion.
This is why I like living in Canada. We`re multicultural. We have respect. Christ`s sake...
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Male 3,842
The real story

Courtesy of Mani-Jac, thank you! If you don`t want to click to the next page, here it is again

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Female 192
@the_windy: what did you choose majority of the Fridays?
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Male 3,842
Now I feel silly having read the follow up story revealing that the bully girl just made the whole thing up as an excuse to be a bully. What a horrible person. The Muslim girl didn`t actually sit out the pledge of allegiance at all!
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Male 3,842
It is sort of Ironic that the basic freedoms in the United States constitution allow anyone not to say the pledge of alligiance if they choose not to say it. I remember a bunch of hippie kids at my school decided they didn`t want to say the pledge, and they didn`t have to. It was funny to me that their right not to have to pledge allegiance is exactly what makes this country great, and by NOT saying the pledge, perhaps they were being more patriotic than the rest of us who were just doing what we were told without questioning it.
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Male 3
none of that matters yes i love this country i would stand up and die for the freedoms and god given rights we hold NOTICE I SAID FREEDOMS we do not live in a communist country where you are forced at gun point to stand up to a flag. one of the great things about this country is you can believe what you want and do what you want as long as it is not a crime and last time i looked sitting down is not a crime disrespectful yes but a crime no that girls mother said the school infringed on her rights well what about the other girls rights FREEDOM its in the name
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Female 6
i find it humorous that the dad sed that they dine with there non- white friends. ive found all rascists do that. but yes i think asking is not rascists
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Male 3,014
I always thought doing the Pledge of Allegiance was a waste of time. I just wanted to sit down and start class, not waste my time reciting a love poem to a frickin` flag.

Seriously, why DO all schools mandate this? I`m sure this is less common in everywhere else.

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Male 3,755
"Man, why are Americans so patriotic? It`s only a pledge."

Holy crap. Someone took an isolated incident and generalized it to an entire population? On IAB? That never happens.

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Male 2,372
goaliejerry

Those aren`t the facts. The girl was upset because she was being disrespectful, not because she was Muslim. The whole "bullying" hooey is ridiculous.

Does not Miss Lawrence have a constitutional right to ask her Muslim co-student why she did not stand? Just as the Muslim student has the right not to stand and pledge, so Miss Lawrence has the right to ask her why she made the choice she did. She was pissed at the lack of respect, and I wonder if the school would have suspended her if she was ragging on an anarchist, or a Jehovah`s witness who did the same thing.

The school vastly over-reacted by suspending her.

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Female 1,589
We always had to stand for the anthem at school (grade 1 - 12).
From grades 1 - 5 we were required to sing it as well. In English on Mondays and Wednesdays, in French on Tuesdays and Thursdays. Fridays we got to choose.
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Male 1,666
Florida?
*checks*

But of course.

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Male 12,365
"But how can "take that thing off of your head" not be considered racist or a remark against her religion?"

It isn`t racist, obviously. Unless you`re arguing that Muslims are a separate race? How does that work? When a person converts to Islam, does it cause physiological changes? Do you have evidence of that?

A remark against her religion, probably. Although it`s not clear what the Islamic rules about clothing really should be, making women as impersonal and as easily ignored as possible is part of Islam in practice.

But harrassment and bullying? I don`t think it`s anywhere near that bad.

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Female 650
also, I applaud the girls reported reaction, "the girl did not respond to her and simply walked away. Duval said the girl did not complain to school officials."
She just let it go.
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Female 650
The First Ammendment really has nothing to do with this...
She got up in the girls face and shouted at her about her beliefs. The girl wasn`t doing anything to personally harass Heather, but Heather decided to harass her.
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Male 376
Florida of course. Such a nice state to visit, but the place is full of idiots.
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Female 299
Wow, in my conservative, Republican, little hometown in Kansas, a few kids (Jehovah`s witnesses) were allowed to sit out the pledge of allegiance and national anthem and nobody raised a stink. I`m pretty sure the same goes for the middle-eastern population on my campus if they choose to...
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Female 513
You know, it might be b/c I`m Canadian and we`re not as.. boisterously patriotic as Americans can be, but I don`t really see what all the kefuffle is over a flag or the pledge of allegiance. How many of you, outside of school or where ever else you have to stand up and say that pledge, take it seriously in your day-to-day lives? How many of you actually take it seriously while you`re saying it? And strive to uphold it`s request for liberty and justice for all?

This young girl is a prime example. She made a gaff. Justice was handed down as a suspension and she is now (or her parents, rather) trying to circumvent it? Where`s the justice in that?

You screw up, you need to face the consequences even if you don`t agree with the opinion that you screwed up in the first place. It`s called having *shock* integrity. Something that I had assumed the JROTC taught.

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Male 169
I only need to read the description to know that it`s Alabama
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Male 955
I don`t think people understand the whole first amendment thing. It always seems to be the first thing people say when they get caught saying something stupid.
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Male 213
Heather .. is a cutie!
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Male 331
"Lawrence, -an- JROTC member..."

:V

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Male 4,014
She was suspended from ROTC for 60 days....GOOD.

Its very clear this little racist simply lied to justify her rascism, under the pre-text of patriotism.....

Where have I heard that before...(*cough* REPUBLICANS).

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Male 4,014
After reading mani-jac`s link...

OH, so shes a LIAR!!!!!!!!!

Someone missed the JROTC lessons on the importance of INTEGRITY.

Its even worse - she lied to school officials AND public media ... yeah, just the sort of person of integrity the armed forces look for....

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Male 318
florida of course makes me a shamed to live there
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Male 135
Why is America so touchy on these subjects? Hell, if you go to certain countries and don`t speak their language, they`ll beat you up.
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Male 4,014
NO, manorrd, high-school girl bullies muslim girl because she is muslim, mocks her head wear, and gets suspended. Good. Frankly, her values are a little off for someone who wants to join the military.

IRONY. WHAT SHE SAID - HER OWN ADMITTED WORDS - WOULD AMOUNT TO A CONSTITUTIONAL VIOLATION IF SHE ACTUALLY WAS IN THE ARMED FORCES.

You have no duty to stand for the pledge. Disrespectful, sure, but tell me where the constitution says you are not allowed to be an a$$hole. You are not, however, allowed to bully.

And, frankly, if this girl wants to join the military, she still has some maturing to do - a member of the armed services represents all people, INCLUDING those whose religion requires certain headdressings.

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Male 3,425
Man, why are Americans so patriotic? It`s only a pledge, if you don`t like where you live, it`s you`re choice. I personally will be glad to get out of Britain as soon as I can, god save the queen, why doesn`t god save our f-cking failure of a government. Hahaha, I`m probably gonna get hung for treason if that one gets out.
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Male 702
LOL @ "enjoy our educational and healthcare facilities..."
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Female 917
Okay, I`m `ehhh` on this. The girl should not have said "take that thing off your head", but the Muslim girl should have stood for the pledge. Basic respect- you don`t have to like doing it, you don`t have to want to do it, but that doesn`t mean that you should be disrespectful and sit during the pledge.

One of my close friends is Muslim and she stands and says the pledge, and is very patriotic because of the freedoms we have here.

On the otherhand, a different Muslim girl had shouted me awhile back "to put some clothes on and respect my body and to stop flaunting it." I was wearing capris and a t-shirt. She didn`t get suspended. And yes, there were teachers there who heard and told us to keep moving and get to class.

So once again, `ehhh`

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Male 1,590
I wish all these idiots would get the hell out of my state. It`s been getting a bad reputation ever since 2000 when those stupid northern retirees couldn`t read a freaking ballot.
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Male 959
Its incredible that Americans who go to war to `defend` democracy and freedom can be so intolerant of diversity and difference. The right not to say the pledge of allegiance is what makes America great
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Male 36
The hijab doesn`t have anything to do with her religion. It`s just a law that women in some nations, that happen to be predominantly Muslim, have to wear them. And the fact that she didn`t stand for the pledge IS disrespectful.
Lawrence wasn`t being intolerant at all, the other girl was just being disrespectful.
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Male 4,593
Dames, go figure.
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Male 2,372
Muslim girl sits for Pledge of Allegiance. Non-Muslim girl asks her why she doesn`t act proud to be an American. Guess who got suspended?
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Male 3,326
"You have someone in the States who is able to enjoy our educational and health care systems, yet it`s okay for them to be disrespectful," That`s what our country is about. FREEDOM to be disrespectful. It`s that girl`s first amendment right NOT to stand for the pledge.
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Male 3,755
By the way, she should get suspended. What she said was discriminatory and a form of bullying. Freedom of speech doesn`t extend to public schools.
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Female 2,927
i dont agree with the suspension its a bit harsh but i feel that she should be made to apologize for saying take that thing of your head.
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Male 74
So a girl made did something stupid, then lied to cover it up.

Perhaps her and that girl with the stars on her face should become friends.

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Male 3,755
I had a friend in high school who wouldn`t stand for the pledge. It wasn`t religion or anything, he was just a Rage Against the Machine fan.
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Male 976
"Winter_ICE_0: "I see absolutely nothing wrong with this girl being suspended for her intolerance."
Then I`d nothing wrong with receiving the same punishment for your intolerance.

Tolerance runs both ways kiddo."

I really don`t understand your logic. I`m intolerant to intolerant people? Well, I guess I am, but I don`t think if another student said to her "Hey, leave her alone" they would get suspended as well. I hate to get into a internet hissy fit, it was just unclear to me where you are coming from.

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Male 138
I have to agree with eldavo.....if ms jrotc disrespected the girls religion, she needs suspended.

but the girl, and everybody else, regardless of race, religion, whatever, should stand for the pledge, or get the hell outta the U.S.

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Male 833
lol @ the parents claiming freedom of speech.
freedom of speech doesnt permit verbal harassment and disrespect, and as she is a minor and a student the school can limit her freedom of speech among other things.
not to mention freedom of religion kinda trumps the freedom of speech arguement

"It wasn`t meant to be a racial comment, and I wasn`t trying to bash her religion"
i was just bashing her religions/races clothing and the part of her religion that says she has to wear it...
but it wasnt a religious or racial comment

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Male 74
West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette...look it up sometime.
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Male 73
@Hansbro

"STUPID AMERICANS WORRYING ABOUT STUPID AMERICAN RITUAL!

If I lived in America, I sure as HELL wouldn`t rise during the pledge of allegiance. If I`m not pledging, I`m not pledging, has nothing to do with respect."

The beautiful thing about your post is I dont have to read the whole thing all I have to do is get a few words in and realize that your a tool and move on!

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Male 4,680
Hansbo - Erm, until recently signing allegiance to the flag was common in our country.

This was of course before we killed off all our patriotism with PCness...

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Male 4,680
Makes me question if it`s possible to abuse freedom of speech...
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Male 901
STUPID AMERICANS WORRYING ABOUT STUPID AMERICAN RITUAL!

If I lived in America, I sure as HELL wouldn`t rise during the pledge of allegiance. If I`m not pledging, I`m not pledging, has nothing to do with respect.

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Male 2,148
CrakrJak: What intolerance? Are you saying not tolerating someone`s intolerance makes him intolerant? That... doesn`t make any sense.
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Male 2,148
This shouldn`t be an issue, really. If the girl really told her to "take that thing off [her] head," then she deserves the suspension. If not, then she doesn`t. Case closed, no discussion, no legal action.
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Male 1,929
If I moved to another country, I wouldn`t feel obliged to stand up for that kind of thing either. If someone ask me to, I would. Otherwise I`d be respectful by sitting on my arse and keeping quiet while they got their national thing out of the way.
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Female 331
I clicked on a link and another one and wound up here:
http://www.tampabay.com/news/education/k...

Apparently the student lied and the Muslim student really did stand up for the pledge.

It`s still an interesting scenario, though.

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Male 47
"That`s one of the most disrespectful things you can do," Lawrence recalled Friday.

I could think of thousand things more disrespectful than not standing for a flag.

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Male 432
I thought Florida right away, then thought, "Oh wait, maybe they`re going for higher racism..." I shouldn`t have second-guessed myself.
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Male 17,512
Winter_ICE_0: "I see absolutely nothing wrong with this girl being suspended for her intolerance."

Then I`d nothing wrong with receiving the same punishment for your intolerance.

Tolerance runs both ways kiddo.

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Male 1,386
I guessed Florida, and big surprise, i was right. Anyway, i think everyone should at least stand during the pledge out of respect. Not everyone in my class says it, but they all at least stand.
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Male 73
"Freedom of Speech > People`s feelings"

School District Rules for Underage Children > Freedom of Speech

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Male 1,853
If it`s in the school code like they said, the school can discipline her according to their policy.
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Male 118
drating americans and their patriotism
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Male 976
I have to say that Freedom of speech is great, but this is a school, and schools are allowed to make their own set of rules in order to keep the peace within their halls. I see absolutely nothing wrong with this girl being suspended for her intolerance.
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Male 366
In a few hours, this thread will probably jump to 200 posts
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Male 54
Just thought I`d get a comment in before the thread explodes...
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Female 165
Ouch, right in Tampa too, go my home city for being a capital of fail.
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Male 2,125
florida..damn...
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Male 91
Freedom of Speech > People`s feelings
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Male 2,125
Oklahoma?
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Female 1,006
Awesome. I can`t really say if the suspension was warented because I wasn`t there. But how can "take that thing off of your head" not be considered racist or a remark against her religion?

Meh. Whatever.

Schools can`t make you stand for the pledge. I never liked to because I am not a part of the nation "under God." That and, like a true American, I am very, very lazy.

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Male 126
Link: Time for ``Guess Which State This Happened In`` [Rate Link] - Kid suspended after telling Muslim classmate to stand for Pledge of Allegiance, then says `take that thing off her head`
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