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Also...we know that it`s a meat cleaver....Twiztid even uses that phrase in a song, but do you have any idea how much harder it would be to rhyme and say that all the time...it`s much easier to say "Hatchetman" than "Meat Cleaver Man"
Also, I didn`t use that tool Howard Stern in an argument. He had nothing to do with it, they just happened to be on the show. It wouldn`t have made a difference had it been on Bill O`Reilly`s show, or CSPAN. Don`t even try and use that as a riposte.
And the video provided a very good reason, in my eyes, to not like ICP, not because their musical talent and lyrics are absolute garbage, but because they claimed to fight anyone who came to the studio, someone does, he poos himself. Not fighting may or may not be a good idea, depending on which side of the table you are looking from. But making claims like that on national TV AND radio, then just completely visibly pooting yourself when someone just proved you wrong in front of all of your fans is just embarrassing.
To everyone else, who has a shred of doubt in their minds if they should hate ICP or not, watch this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YkBPVd-I...
The 2 lead clown faggots offered to fight anyone who comes to the studio. Someone does. Silent gay poos his pants. The end.
Is THAT why you`ve been flaming me for two days?
*shakes head in disbelief*
Of COURSE 100% of the Juggalo population isn`t bad... That would be theoretically impossible!
I had an encounter with the subculture in question that soured my opinion of the group as a whole. It was the first time I had seen someone go down at a festival, and just be completely ignored by the people around them.
Couple that with the fact the people in that area who didn`t lift a finger to assist her became hostile towards those of us who came to help.
In conclusion, are ALL Juggalos bad?
Did the far and away majority that I had to deal with display subhuman behavior?
Judging from faaaq`s passionate defense of his people, had HE been present, would he have helped this girl?
After reading what he has to say, I would like to think so.
But we should ALL try to find the good in everyone. This is even the first time I agreed with osirisascend :P.
I personally have known a lot of hardcore ICP people and what osirisascend said is kinda true. I`ve seen one basically left for dead and none would help because they were "busy" or "had work" but I thought ICP people always help out no matter what.
Nor does it justify in any way the cold fact that the "family" that you speak so highly of and defend in such a reprehensible manner was willing to leave one of their own on the ground unconscious and bleeding from a head wound in a location where she would have been trampled had myself and two other members of the backstage security staff not chosen to leave the area we were assigned to in order to take her to safety.
Every other festival I`ve worked at, people in the crowd would have picked her up and taken her to the first aid station.
Not ONE "Juggalo/Juggalette" lifted a finger to help this girl, so myself and two other security people left the backstage area to help her.
After we picked her up and started moving through the crowd, THAT was when your Juggalo brethren decided to follow us through the crowd screaming "FU*K SECURITY" at us.
Your subculture made a horrible impression on me. What I saw was a complete lack of compassion for someone who is supposedly a member of your family, followed by other members of the "family" trying to start a fight with us, while we were HELPING one of yo
@ faaaaq: You didn`t "kinda" attack me. You said that I had been sexually abused by my father, and in a later post, you told me to "go suck my daddy`s dick."
Anyone who wants can go back and see exactly what you said. If they do, they`ll also see that you personally attacked me from your very first post.
Sure you can go back and delete all of it, but my posts will still be there, and it will be quite obvious who went where, and when.
As far as "generalizations" are concerned, that majority of people posing in this thread have made statement very similar to mine.
For some reason, you chose ME as the focus of your personal attacks. Every time I responded, I did not attack you personally, but you came back with more vitriol.
You even attacked me for using proper grammar and responding to you in a calm manner!
Fifteen posts below this one, any one who wants can read the post I left where I quoted everything you said in your FIRST post in this thread.The original post is a few pages further back.
It`s time for you to stop being a dick... Seriously... at this point you`re just making an ass of yourself.
Very few artists have their own "personal" security. Those that do fall into the category of legend or superstar.
The last "legends" I worked for were Riders On The Storm, which is two original members of The Doors, the former lead singer from .38 Special, and their hired guns as their backing band.
Like most artists that fit into the legend or superstar category, they have ONE security person that travels with them, and they contract with outside venue logistic or security companies for their backstage and personal security while they are on tour.
You honestly don`t know what you`re talking about here. Since I work in the industry, I DO.
Me with Robert Randolph at last years Molson Canal Concert Series.
faaaaq and JUGGALETTEx0, this fact you can not debate, you can not defy. When it came time for you two to define yourselves, you chose to mold your existence around a pre-existing group of people. That means you have failed. You have already completely failed BEFORE we even consider how stupid the group you chose is!
I do admit that as this discussion has gone on, I have responded to personal attacks in kind, so I apologize to you for disrespecting your job last night. The fact that you have held a job in this economy indicates that you must have some value to your employer.
My trashing of your job was in direct response to you and faaaaq referring to me as a "rent-a-cop". I`m not some douchebag in a cheesy uniform and a tin badge chasing skaters out of a parking ramp. I`m the guy who escorts the artists to and from the venue, and stays with them at the venue while they are not on stage. I`ve been the first line of defense for some of the biggest artists in the world, and stood shoulder to shoulder with music legends.
For the record, I get what your saying about the aura of "family" that ICP fans seem to project on one another. My point is, your ICP "family" excludes anyone they consider an "outsider"
You and I don`t always agree, but we`ve never flamed or insulted each other.
By the way... WHO YOU CALLIN` OLD?
I just got a chance to watch the video, (I have just been making fun of ICP fans without watching the video), After watching the video I see fans of this gimmick rap group are for lack of a better more creative word at this hour, "Dipfu*ks".Bunch of Fisher Price tough guys...
I find it more interesting that faaaaq seems to have some kind of fixation on concentrating his defense of their lifestyle on me.
@ faaaaq: Since your entry into this thread, you have done absolutely nothing except insult and attack me. You have accused me of being a racist (!), said: "im assuming you were molested by your father when you were a toddler, and your mother blamed YOU for it", "go blow your daddy and get a life, freakin rent-a-cop", "you obviously have very low self esteem (possible virgin? or, actually, the low self esteem fits my earlier assumption of childhood molestation)", and "you couldnt get a real job that allowed you to afford going to concerts"
It`s all there for anyone who wants to go back and see it. Get off your high horse. You were a dick from the moment you entered this thread.
This is by far the lamest music related fan base, right below the Britney Spears fans.
Admittedly, some of the ICP songs I`ve heard are alright, but thats it. They have some OK songs, none really seem to have some significant life changing message, for the most part its just a bunch of kids that never want halloween to go away constantly singing about psychological disorders.
From what you quoted then said, I read sarcasm that intended to be used as an insult to call Juggalos gay...
Maybe you could try rephrasing it?
But that`s the biggest reason I dislike the internet. In reality, I`ve never even HAD to fight. And I never post pictures of myself online, since I know the problems that can cause if you piss off the wrong person.
So, even though I know I shouldn`t, I get a little defensive when idiots start talking like that. Because I know, if they started that crap in real life, they`d back off if they saw me. But they can`t, so I`m easily provoked into those stupid pissing contests...
I apologize. I was in error.
However, this post detracts from the point of the argument. And that is, that Juggalo`s are NOT a class that any self-respecting, intelligent, sober man, woman, or child should associate themselves with.
If nothing else, the few GOOD one`s of the group should form their own group. And note, that not ONCE in my posts, have I stated that ALL of you are bad people. Just the majority.
You CAN`T be serious with that statement.
Good grammar and a calm tone are BAD or a liability in some way?
I`m sorry faaaaq, but THAT was the single most nonsensical thing you have contributed to the discussion thus far.
I`m going to bed now, and I`m laughing at you as I go... I`m going to e-mail a link to this thread to some of my friends tomorrow so they too can enjoy the humor in the last few entries from you and Juggalettex0.
My college education, and 20 years of experience in the military and Federal Law Enforcement had NOTHING to do with it.
You`re a HEAD cashier huh? Gonna get that big promotion to Assistant Store Manager soon huh?
Haven`t worked in fast food in three whole years to boot?
Well, I am DULY impressed. Your job history is SO much better than mine, that I think I`ll just give up on life now...
It SO sucks to be me... collecting an Army pension, AND getting paid $60K a year TO GO TO CONCERTS.
You sure showed me, didn`t you?
Not helping the cause, bud.
Not to mention... Yeah, I`m sure you`d "straight drating kill" me. Right after you`re done with your meth. `Cause I can say with very little doubt that only in your drug induced dreams could you possibly take me.
So what you`ll do instead is keep desperately grabbing at every straw you can like a drowning man, because you STILL haven`t made a single valid, or even coherent point.
The longer this goes on, the more you prove false the claim that "Juggalos/Juggaettes don`t give a fu*k what anyone thinks."
You DO care what other people think, otherwise you wouldn`t be here in this thread escalating a flamewar!
By the way, it`s not a hatchet your little ICP mascot is holding.
It`s a cleaver.
Again, the cause is lost.
In fact, I think the only way to truly describe how desperate and stupid you sound right now, is through the use of a few Demotivational posters.
Just because you`re seriously demotivating me.
Your attempts to spin my words into something they are not are laughable, especially since it`s all there in this thread for anyone to see.
As for my free time, I was just discharged from the Army ELEVEN DAYS AGO. I`m sitting at home, enjoying myself, and next week I fly to New York to work the last two shows of the Molson Canal Concert Series... Yeah... next Friday, I get to meet Charlie Daniels... and get PAID for it.
Seems that MY job is much better than YOURS. I`m guessing that you`re either in fast food (you appear to be a Type-1), or you work in some call center.
We can have this argument for as long as you like, you still come off like an idiot.
Grabbin on your balls, straight slanging stallsFu*k the gang squad tryin to take me out my homeCheck my neck and I got yoursCuz roll with yourself and keep that clown luv"-----------------------------------------------So, their a gay group, right?
You`ve contributed little of consequence, and done nothing but attack. Every comment you`ve left here has done nothing for your "cause". You intentionally ignore facts with rather pathetic attempts to bait me into trading insults, since that`s all you have.
I was just honorably discharged from the Army. In the civilian world, I am a security consultant. The company I work for just happens to provide backstage security for concert tours. Not only is it a REAL job, it`s a fu*king COOL job that most people would love to have.
Everything I said makes perfect sense to someone who isn`t part of the ICP "family".
I don`t expect you or any of the other Sheepalos to even begin to understand the stone cold logic in what I`ve said in this thread, because you`re too busy trying to defend an exclusionist, misogynst group.
In case you didn`t notice from my photo, I happen to BE a black person. That;s why I ignored your comment earlier about my being a racist.
I see however, that you are obviously going to continue with your personal attacks.
My childhood was no more traumatic than any kid who grew up in the suburbs.
Keep reaching though... you`re an entertaining little troll.
I`ve had knives pulled on me by juggalo THIRTEEN YEAR OLDS. Someone should really parent them other than your clown overlords.
Finger spasms. A sign of having taken stimulants... Or typos across the keyboard, signs of stupidity or quickness to type the message. Quickness to type the message, a sign of being desperate, seeing as you know you`re losing the battle.
Also, learn some grammar. It makes you look like you`re actually the intelligent person you claim to be, and helps people to understand the message.
Also, if you CAN`T see the hypocrisy in claiming that someone generalizing you is wrong, then generalizing someone else, then the cause is lost completely.
On the topic of soldiers being racist... It`s very difficult, from what I`ve heard of my three ex-marine friends, seeing as how everyone is pretty much forced to work as a team, regardless of race, creed, whatever.
Call me what you want, I`ll just call you a juggalo. And that`s the lowest of the low in my book. A flat out insult in the worst way.
"you yourself are tryin to make us into one big generality."
"yea, people who HAVE TO dress the same and act the same to be in the "group""
Yeah, Intelligent person, for a hypocrite. You just lost the flame war.
Also, where in the hell do you get the idea that childhood molestation would make someone "afraid of non-conformists?" And on that note, you`re calling racism on a black ex-soldier...
Face it, the music sucks, the majority of the "family" are in-bred, or act like it, and you`re just pissy because, while you know it`s true, accepting the fact that it`s true would destroy the happy life of blissful ignorance you`ve led up `til now.
By the way, one of these moronic gatherings occurred while I was on vacation with some family in the area. Has anyone happened to mention that, when these come to a town, local crime rates sky-rocket and hospitals tend to over-crowd?
Juggalos are not a race like black or white. They are a bunch of white trash losers that listen to a group of clowns rap about smoking weed and having sex with everything.
DUMBEST THING I HAVE EVER HEARD: Juggalos against racism? FALSEFALSEFALSE! I know juggalos that only pick on black people. I hate all juggalos. Every single one of them. No need to generalize or not generalize. They are all the same.
Also, when they say `family` they mean, `we fight in groups.` every one of them runs by themselves. or at least the ones i`ve ran into.
yes. you are INDEED the most intelligent of all of us, and in NO W
You claim to accept everyone, but glorify gay-bashing.
Juggalos and Juggalettes crow about their "individuality" when it`s obvious to anyone on the "outside" that you`re just sheep.
You claim to "not give a fu*k what anyone thinks", but here you are giving a fu*k about what I think.
To top it off, the truth of everything I`ve posted in this thread is so difficult for you to accept, that you can`t take it, yet have no intelligent rebuttal to anything I, and many others have posted here.
YOU are the one who said in an earlier post that "We don`t understand this sh*t"
We understand it better than you, and YOU can`t accept that reality.
You hate juggalos! You hate juggalettes!
Your point has been made!!
HOT GOTH GIRLS?? lmao where in that video did you see a chick that even looked remotely average looking, they all look like cheap redneck trash with bad teeth. But if thats the type of girl your into...lol
It`s funny that you call someone a fagot, and then claim they`re undereducated. If you can`t express your own opinion without the use of any insult, then you really needn`t bother talking in the first place.
no questions about it.
...lol, I`m in.
Yeah, real intelligent bunch of people these ICP fans.
An entire subculture that will thrust upon our society a generation of babies suffering from Low Birth Weight from smoking during pregnancy, Fetal Alcohol Syndrome if their volume of alcohol consumption is any indication, and Lord knows what other complications because some of them appear to be too stupid to stop partying while they`re pregnant.
I look forward to supporting these future burdens on our already overloaded health care system with my tax dollars.
i guess i expected it to get interesting...i was very mistaken...not worth me and my dad almost arguing about me getting bothered about him looking over my shoulder and asking me what i was watching....thank I am bored....
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The way Juggalos have their family put together is no different than a gang. They thrive on violence, and want everyone to be exactly like them.
Personally, I hate rap. I despise ICP because they have no message that needs to be delivered. I don`t wanna hear about some fat-ass clowns murdering people for "fun".
To wrap it up, the whole "Juggalo" movement is going in the wrong direction. They`re all blindly following ICP. I have never, am not now, and will never be a "Juggalo".
P.s. Was at a party few nights ago. They played ICP, I stood up, turned it off and yelled "F*ck Juggalos". A bunch of them stood up. I said it again, and again, and again. Eventually they just sat down, and I went back to drinkin.
You said: "Seriously people, juggalos and juggalettes don`t do poo to you. WE don`t force you to listen to OUR music. And WE sure as hell didn`t force you to watch this video.If you have that much of a problem with US, just stay away and keep your ignorant comments to yourself."
Lots of "love" in THAT statement delayna 6.
Further proof that Juggalos/Juggalettes are an exclusionist group.
Deny it. If you can.
Although you won`t, since I just threw that BS you spouted right back in your face.
MMFIABL(Much Motherfu*kin` IAB Love!)
Where my IABalos at? ;-)
If you are so nice and loving why do you chant about killing people with a hatchet... not to mention the song "crooked preacher killer" and all the other songs off of ICP`s hells pit.
Why shouldn`t Fancy have posted this? Are "Juggalos" and "Juggalettes" exempt from the same scrutiny that every other group is subject to here?
You`re a hypocrite. You refer to a large group of people as "closed minded" because they don`t subscribe to YOUR beliefs?
I don`t see you complaining when some other group (Emos for example) is getting bashed here, so you invalidate your own statement.
Thanks for playing.
I like how they`re against racism but they`re all white.
They`re certainly not against gay-bashing, which has always pissed me off.
It`s like if you took hippies and wiggers and combined them together. They all form this one big gang that they refer to as a "family." They speak ill of anyone outside of it. They hate and hate and hate, but love each other. They`re ready to beat down whoever`s an outsider but they`re giving hugs to fellow "members."
They`re also the reason I can`t get a jester symbol tattooed on me without someone asking if I like the band, when the symbol of a jester means so much more to me than some dumb-F**k band.
Juggalos/juggalettes are simply a**holes who daddy didn`t love enough.
In conclusion, they`re drating hypocrites.
It speaks volumes that the ICP drones among us are resorting to name-calling and insults, then ending their post with "MMFWCL".
If the behavior of the ICP drones in this thread is indicative of "Wicked Clown Love", then I don`t think they have to worry about any of us "outsiders" wanting to become members of their "family"
I`ll stick with my punk, metal, hippie, indie, old-school rawk, and goth peeps, thank you very much.
At least they show TRUE diversity, instead of claiming to be different, yet looking all the same.
Too many close minded people arguing over how people live their lives.
6. Consist of a 9-1 ratio of angry, violent, desperate for attention kids suckered by a lowest common denominator gimmick to adults with immature and violent taste who also buy into said gimmick. All believe that the title they give themselves (and subsequent ICP love)is enough to consider a complete stranger "family".
7. Ignorant to the blatant hypocrisy of using a popular label to claim individuality.
8. Think that insanity is even remotely cool, while displaying an absolute lack of actual knowledge on the horror of mental illness that shows just how immature and ignorant they are.
9. There`s at least one known murderer among them and many still praise him for attacking gays with a hatchet and killing a cop and his own girlfriend before being gunned down.
2. Claim to "not give a fu*k what anyone thinks" but are most often seen online telling "haters" to "shut the fu*k up and die".
3. Find the imagery of hatchet murders, rape, cannibalism, misogyny and necrophilia to be acceptable and enjoyable but, racism is a no-no.
4. More often than not, prejudge just as many people, if not more, than those they hate.
I can`t believe these folk still exist. Guess I`m out of the loop. Can`t say I`m too disappointed about that.
I`m not wrong. Your baseless personal attack on me indicates that perhaps I`ve struck a nerve, in that you seem to be AWFULLY defensive for no reason.
Referring to me as "Rent-A-Cop" is rather humorous. From that, I`d guess that you`re one of those kids that likes to run their mouth at show security for no apparent reason.
I work concert security because it`s FUN. I go to pretty much any show I want for FREE, and get the added perks of backstage access AND I get to meet the artists... and get PAID FOR IT!
Call me all the names you want. I have music industry access you can only dream of. Jealous much?
For the record, Violent J and Shaggy2Dope make complete ASSES of themselves every time they are interviewed.
Next time you`re at a show, think of ME backstage, chillin` with the band.
i think we would have been wrote down as the most amazing people in history.
That will be all.
This video proves my theory that Juggalos fall into two basic types:
1) Skinny white guys with cheesy facial hair who think they`re hard.2) Fat white guys with cheesy facial hair who think they`re hard.
It also proves my theory that 100% of Juggalettes fall into two basic types as well:
1) Trailer trash that weighs over 200 lbs.2) Trailer trash that weighs far less than 200 lbs., but that`s just from the meth. Type-2`s are generally incredibly ugly as well.
3 of us were carrying a Type-1 Juggalette to the first aid station because she had passed out, fallen, and split her head open. We were followed the entire way by a group of Type-1 and Type-2 Juggalos screaming "FU*K SECURITY!" at us.
We were taking one of their own to safety since they were just letting her lay there and bleed. It was MUCH more "Juggalo" to follow us screaming "FU*K SECURITY" after WE picked her up.