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    kmdavis85 Female 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 1:30 pm
    Link: Teens Arrested, Forced Mom To Have Sex... - ...with her own son and a gang rape. Guess which state this young man`s from.
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    Falcore Male 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 1:34 pm
    TEXAS!!!!!
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    mega_luis15 Male 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 1:37 pm
    florida?
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    zookuw Male 13-17
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    August 6, 2009 at 1:37 pm
    im in the mood to go smash that kids face in the the ground how could you do something like that and just out of the blue!
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    Falcore Male 18-29
    182 posts
    August 6, 2009 at 1:38 pm
    Damn. I totally thought it would be Texas. They`re all backwards in Texas. I guess a lot of messed up stuff does go down in Florida too.
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    Danny1129 Male 30-39
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    August 6, 2009 at 1:39 pm
    Florida???
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    Turnshroud Female 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 1:40 pm
    *blinks*
    *blinks again*

    me: O_O O_o o_O o_o

    o...k...this story goes right up there with that guy who tortured and raped that woman and then claimed that he was retarded. This is sickening.

  8. Profile photo of Armydillo
    Armydillo Male 13-17
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    August 6, 2009 at 1:40 pm
    HEY! I live in Texas. I`m actually not surprised. That is in a bad neighborhood apparently. But only tiny parts of Texas are bad. I still want to live in Canada though.
    I can`t believe that gunshot! XD
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    Armydillo Male 13-17
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    August 6, 2009 at 1:41 pm
    Oh...I thought this was in Texas.
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    Jaydeejj Female 70 & Over
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    August 6, 2009 at 1:48 pm
    That`s so sad.
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    chillimac Male 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 1:50 pm
    WTF man...just...WTF...
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    caboose117 Male 13-17
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    August 6, 2009 at 1:54 pm
    eh, when it comes to places like philly, things like that aren`t too uncommon... living in the area and going there everyday, people jsut stop caring.
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    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 1:54 pm
    I wonder if he has that mental thing where you simply can`t feel sympathy or guilt... you know like the people that end up chopping up other people and storing them in their freezers.
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    Bigbadwolf Male 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 1:55 pm
    Carolina came to mind
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    BoredMamii Female 13-17
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    August 6, 2009 at 1:55 pm
    that was just cold blooded but didnt this happen months ago
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 1:57 pm
    lol. I compare that to Saudi Arabia.
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    s0rd3dvis1on Male 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 1:58 pm
    @opiebreath i hope youre not serious theres no such thing you either make a choice to care or not
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    lorface Female 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 2:08 pm
    Possibly `sociopath` is what you`re thinking of, Opiebreath? But a little different...

    Anyway, horrifying stuff.

    Bleh.

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    jadoig Male 30-39
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    August 6, 2009 at 2:09 pm
    I think you mean sociopath, but I`m too lazy to look it up. LOL. I couldn`t even watch the whole thing once I realized what had happened. I didn`t need any more details. Does anyone know what the outcome was?
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    Boadicea Female 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 2:09 pm
    @opiebreath: Sociopaths?

    s0rdetc.: lol. wut?

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    jadoig Male 30-39
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    August 6, 2009 at 2:10 pm
    OMG almost a simul-post.
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    qwelch Female 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 2:10 pm
    No s0rd3dvis1on, I think opiebreath`s referring to psychopathy...

    http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psy...

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    vitaliy Male 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 2:14 pm
    I was totally gonna guess Florida, nothing good comes from Florida
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    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 2:20 pm
    "@opiebreath i hope youre not serious theres no such thing you either make a choice to care or not"

    You don`t "choose" to care. It`s a natural instinct to feel horrible things if you physically hurt or maim one of your own. It`s caused by a rush of chemicals. Jesus, take a psych or anthro class or something...

    Welch, that`s exactly what I mean... as well as everyone else who mentioned it, haha. Thanks.

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    Meyy Female 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 2:28 pm
    ugh. It is In Florida, South Flroida in West Palm Beach to Be exact....ugh!
    Florida is actually not that bad but this is beyond words....this is just sickk and he`s 14! thats sickk....
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    Knoxville912 Male 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 2:31 pm
    When your cops look like the criminals, then yeah move out.
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    Lou-Saydus Male 13-17
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    August 6, 2009 at 2:32 pm
    what Knoxville912 is trying to say is when your cops are black, it`s time to move.
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    SilverThread Male 30-39
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    August 6, 2009 at 2:34 pm
    I have the solution.

    Now for those of you that fail to understand why it is that Lawful Citizens might want to carry a fire arm? How about as a preventive measure to avert gang rape and torture.

    There is no such thing as remediation for people like this and there is no good reason to waste time trying.

    A sudden if not instantaneous death is more humane than they deserve. The western world has become a peaceful place where such crimes are uncommon not because of a lack of action but because of decisive, righteous action.

    This sort of atrocity CAN NOT BE TOLERATED. There is no excuse, there is no justification. There is no medical waiver that can permit such behavior.

    It warrants no less than immediate death.

  29. Profile photo of TehKitteh
    TehKitteh Female 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 2:40 pm
    @ opiebreath:

    feeling horrible after injuring "one of your own" is NOT a natural instinct...if it were an INSTINCT, every single person on earth would feel horrible after hurting a loved one, and certainly not all people do. Therefore, it`s not a "natural instinct".

    Maybe you are the one who needs to take the psych intro class.

  30. Profile photo of TehKitteh
    TehKitteh Female 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 2:45 pm
    @ Silverthread: so for those who are sociopaths or who have mental imbalances, you are suggesting death? Being a sociopath means you have ASPD, Antisocial Personality Disorder, which means you must have been diagnosed with either Conduct Disorder or Opposition Defiance Disorder before the age of 15 yrs. These disorders are biologically caused, even though their triggers may (or may not) be environmental.

    So, if I`m interpreting your statement correctly, you are suggesting immediate death for people whose actions (however horrible they may be) are the result of chemical imbalances in the brain and environmental triggers. Yes people can choose whether or not to commit crimes, but sociopathy/ASPD are NOT choices.

    How fair is it to kill someone for an action which may have ultimately been caused by a mental disorder?

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    LandoGriffin Male 30-39
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    August 6, 2009 at 2:46 pm
    "When your cops look like the criminals, then yeah move out."
    "what Knoxville912 is trying to say is when your cops are black, it`s time to move."

    Now, what the HELL do you mean by THAT?

    You are seriously going straight to hell if you really meant that and weren`t being sarcastic, you no-business-born, insecure, rat-soup-eating, motherdrucker!

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    LandoGriffin Male 30-39
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    August 6, 2009 at 2:53 pm
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    TehKitteh
    Female, 18-29, Eastern US
    132 Posts Thursday, August 06, 2009 2:40:36 PM
    @ opiebreath:
    feeling horrible after injuring "one of your own" is NOT a natural instinct...if it were an INSTINCT, every single person on earth would feel horrible after hurting a loved one, and certainly not all people do. Therefore, it`s not a "natural instinct".
    Maybe you are the one who needs to take the psych intro class.
    -------------------------------------
    No, Opie was right and you are wrong. If 95% of all people around the world, of all cultures, show the same behavior, then it is our natural human instinct to protect one another, and the small minority of cases (let`s say the other 5%) have a psychological disorder (antisocial personality disorder, that is, a "sociopath") which is a DISORDER, because it is contrary to typical behavior and causes dysfunction in society.

    TehKitteh, you fail intro to psych.

  33. Profile photo of TehKitteh
    TehKitteh Female 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 2:54 pm
    landogriffen, why get so upset over 2 stupid, ignorant comments? ignore them and go on with life, all they want is to get a rise out of people.
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    LandoGriffin Male 30-39
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    August 6, 2009 at 2:55 pm
    (To continue, sorry)

    TehKitteh, by your "logic" it is not natural to be able to see or hear, because not every single person in the whole world can see or hear.

    ALMOST everybody does, everywhere in the world, regardless of culture, so that VERY STRONGLY suggests that it is part of human nature. The same is true of a protective instinct.

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    Gleeballs Female 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 2:55 pm
    dang!
  36. Profile photo of TehKitteh
    TehKitteh Female 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 2:57 pm
    landogriffen, you fail at life.

    and INSTINCT would be in EVERYONE, no matter the disorder they may/may not have (such as thumb sucking). if only ONE person does NOT show that particular action or emotion, then it`s not an instinct.

    Here is the definition of "instinct": An inborn pattern of behavior that is characteristic of a species and is often a response to specific environmental stimuli

    INBORN, INBORN, INBORN....means INNATE, or within EVERYONE. if not EVERYONE has it, it` NOT an instinct.

    I am a psych major in college and have had more than a few debates over this.

    I win.

  37. Profile photo of TehKitteh
    TehKitteh Female 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 2:58 pm
    SEEING and HEARING are not instincts!!! they are SENSES we use to explore the environment, but they`re not INSTINCTIVE.
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    LandoGriffin Male 30-39
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    August 6, 2009 at 3:00 pm
    TehKitteh
    Female, 18-29, Eastern US
    133 Posts Thursday, August 06, 2009 2:54:43 PM
    landogriffen, why get so upset over 2 stupid, ignorant comments? ignore them and go on with life, all they want is to get a rise out of people.
    __________________________

    I just think you have an awful lot of nerve telling Opie to take an intro to psych class when you have no idea what is meant by "disorder" as opposed to natural instinctive behaviors, and I think it is important for everyone to know that Opie was correct.

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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 3:02 pm
    "and INSTINCT would be in EVERYONE, no matter the disorder they may/may not have (such as thumb sucking). if only ONE person does NOT show that particular action or emotion, then it`s not an instinct. "

    Ok....so can we all agree that eating is a natural instinct, then why are people anorexic?


    "INBORN, INBORN, INBORN....means INNATE, or within EVERYONE. if not EVERYONE has it, it` NOT an instinct.

    I am a psych major in college and have had more than a few debates over this.

    I win."

    Is this college you speak of accredited?

  40. Profile photo of TehKitteh
    TehKitteh Female 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 3:02 pm
    your comment, landogriffen, made no sense..."disorder" and "natural instinctive behavior" are 2 very different things....neither one of us are going to win this argument, so let`s agree to disagree and move on with life.
  41. Profile photo of TehKitteh
    TehKitteh Female 18-29
    187 posts
    August 6, 2009 at 3:03 pm
    primetimekin: yes, actually, it is. my school`s psych department has been approved by the APA. satisfied?
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    TehKitteh Female 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 3:04 pm
    yes eating is perfectly natural, but anorexics are born with no problem to food.

    anorexia is a disorder caused by environmental stimuli and emotional issues.

  43. Profile photo of LandoGriffin
    LandoGriffin Male 30-39
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    August 6, 2009 at 3:08 pm
    anorexia is a disorder caused by environmental stimuli and emotional issues.

    YES, AND SO IS ANTI-SOCIAL PERSONALITY DISORDER!!!

    I had to shout that, sorry!

    That is EXACTLY the point! That`s what a "disorder" is!

  44. Profile photo of TehKitteh
    TehKitteh Female 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 3:08 pm
    I came to the conclusion that we`re wasting our time about 10 minutes ago....like i said, let`s agree to disagree, and move on with our days.

    that being said, the kid in this video does need some major therapy. :( I feel sorry for the family he tormented.

  45. Profile photo of TehKitteh
    TehKitteh Female 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 3:09 pm
    but for the record, ANTISOCIAL PERSONALITY DISORDER IS CAUSED BY CHEMICAL IMBALANCES IN THE BRAIN!!!

    sorry, had to shout that.

  46. Profile photo of jadoig
    jadoig Male 30-39
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    August 6, 2009 at 3:13 pm
    LOL kitteh are you trolling? I think the problem here is not everyone has the same characteristics, and not everyone has the same instincts.
    It is impossible to catagorize something across an entire species, especially the human species as we are all individual and there are so many of us that I`m sure we`ve covered the full spectrum of deficiencies and disorders.
    Consider the mothering instinct. Someone born with a sociopathic disorder would not likely have this instinct as they care for no one but themselves.
  47. Profile photo of TehKitteh
    TehKitteh Female 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 3:17 pm
    jadoig: I`m on summer vacation, and am currently waiting for my boyfriend to get home so we can go to dinner...i`m bored :p

    and I`ll agree to disagree about the whole "instinct" debate...we all have our opinions on the subject, and none of us will be convinced to change our minds....I don`t see the need to get upset and frustrated over a debate in an online forum with people i`ve never met...though it does challenge me to come up with responses :) :)

  48. Profile photo of LandoGriffin
    LandoGriffin Male 30-39
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    August 6, 2009 at 3:19 pm
    INBORN....means INNATE, or within EVERYONE.

    Neither "inborn" nor "innate" means "within everyone"

  49. Profile photo of TehKitteh
    TehKitteh Female 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 3:20 pm
    LOL lando are you still going on with that discussion? seriously dude, get over it and move on. :)
  50. Profile photo of jadoig
    jadoig Male 30-39
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    August 6, 2009 at 3:24 pm
    Sure, but one last question.

    You said:
    Here is the definition of "instinct": An inborn pattern of behavior that is characteristic of a species and is often a response to specific environmental stimuli

    INBORN, INBORN, INBORN....means INNATE, or within EVERYONE. if not EVERYONE has it, it` NOT an instinct.

    I don`t think inborn means within EVERYONE, it just means it was born into you as an individual.

    The definition itself implies this: often a response to specific environmental stimuli.

    Not all humans share the same environment, so haven`t had the same chances to learn certain instincts. Would someone who`s never experienced high speed travel have the instinct to get out of the way of a fast moving vehicle? If not, is that still an instinct?


  51. Profile photo of LandoGriffin
    LandoGriffin Male 30-39
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    August 6, 2009 at 3:26 pm
    And, if you want to play the "Psych major" card:
    Go get your textbook, look up what it says about "Basic Emotions" and tell me what it says
  52. Profile photo of TehKitteh
    TehKitteh Female 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 3:26 pm
    I will admit, you do bring up a very good point. it IS often culture that dictates whether a certain behavior is considered instinctual....the definition of the word itself is often culturally defined.

    I concede, maybe the idea of the "instinct" isn`t as black/white as i thought....though i was right about some things ;)

    you win, jadoig :) yay! debate over :) now, can we PLEASE talk about something else? :)

  53. Profile photo of TehKitteh
    TehKitteh Female 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 3:27 pm
    LMAO lando, you really amuse me...you are getting so angry about this whole thing, when I got over it about 20 minutes ago....take a chill pill man, it`s a debate in an online forum with a person you`ll never meet.

    Lighten up, okay? :)

  54. Profile photo of jadoig
    jadoig Male 30-39
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    August 6, 2009 at 3:32 pm
    It`s fun to get worked up over things. I just got in here so I`m really getting a kick out of these replies.

    You were right on a lot of things. Good chatting with you.

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    dudeman1234 Male 13-17
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    August 6, 2009 at 3:32 pm
    ok before i watch it i guess hes from florida
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    TruTenrMan Male 30-39
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    August 6, 2009 at 3:52 pm
    Bet`cha he`s a 4chan anon.
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    SilverThread Male 30-39
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    August 6, 2009 at 4:14 pm
    Yes TK I would without reservation say that execution is justified in response to someone with a chemical imbalance so egregious that it would allow humans to perfom such heinous acts.

    In fact I can`t concieve of a more valid reason to do away with such people. They contribute nothing to society with such actions and besides, if they are truly that antisocial, they shouldn`t care if they are executed anyhow right?

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    mccarty17 Male 13-17
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    August 6, 2009 at 4:16 pm
    Alright, now that we`ve all decided that everyone else is wrong, can we calm down and act like what it says on our birth certificates, not like how we were when education didn`t have to be paid for and we still worried about whether or not the person that sat next to us in Geometry had a crush on us?
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    Ninjakunai2 Male 13-17
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    August 6, 2009 at 4:18 pm
    So thier response to this is to block it with FLOWER POTS??!! Get an electric fence or something! Holy crap! What are they THINKING?!
  60. Profile photo of TehKitteh
    TehKitteh Female 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 4:37 pm
    good chatting with you too, jadoig!! we should do it again sometime :) :)
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    ShadowRyder Male 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 4:40 pm
    Florida...?
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    Jestergrrl Female 30-39
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    August 6, 2009 at 4:46 pm
    @the kid`s friend:
    So wait, you mean he didn`t have to do that?!? B-|
  63. Profile photo of SuperSmash
    SuperSmash Male 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 4:48 pm
    Are they allowed to reveal his identity?
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    krackfishy3 Male 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 4:53 pm
    They can reveal his identity if he`s tried as an adult
  65. Profile photo of TehKitteh
    TehKitteh Female 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 4:53 pm
    @ SilverThread: even though I understand where you`re coming from (and were I in the victims` situation I`d feel the same way), many of those with ASPD would care very much if they were killed.

    people with ASPD are often extremely good at fitting into society, and are expert manipulators (look at Ted Bundy and Dennis Rader--BTK, for example). They are all about "what can I do to satisfy my needs?" they care about themselves and no one else, but this does not mean they want to die. Granted, some might, but many commit crimes as a way of getting thrills and even sexual pleasure...getting caught would prevent these good feelings, so it`s in their best interest to remain free of the law--this is why they are often adept at blending into society.

    frankly, keeping them in prison for teh rest of their lives is often much worse than death, especially if it`s a very tough male prison (and especially if the man has hurt children)--better than killing them, methinks.

  66. Profile photo of SuperSmash
    SuperSmash Male 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 4:54 pm
    jadoig, you`re wrong. Not everyone has to have the same instincts. You can take examples from anywhere where some people have instincts that make them better than others. Barry Sanders was born with an innate ability to avoid being tackled that others do not have. Good musicians have instincts that tell them what notes will sound good together.

    Many people are born with innate abilities (instincts) that not everyone has.

  67. Profile photo of TehKitteh
    TehKitteh Female 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 4:56 pm
    supersmash...just because someone has a special talent or gift, that does not make it an instinct. an instinct characterizes a society (and is culturally defined).
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    SilverThread Male 30-39
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    August 6, 2009 at 5:08 pm
    TK, I am not presenting death as a form of punishment for the offender. I don`t see value in making people suffer. I see execution as a means of securing the welfare of society, hence my logic for it being immediately swift.

    Presenting me with a list of sociopaths and pointing out that they will be maltreated in prison only further compels me to believe that death is more fitting.

    Such people are irrepairably damaged and are dangerous to society, spending money and time imprisoning them is nonsensical. Simply being antisocial isn`t the issue, acting on psychotic impulses, to the detriment of "normal people" is.

  69. Profile photo of TehKitteh
    TehKitteh Female 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 5:13 pm
    firstly, the term "psychotic" is incorrect...the difference between a psychotic and a psychopath is that psychotics cannot tell the difference between reality and fantasy, but psychopaths know exactly what they`re doing.

    secondly, there is no such thing as a "normal" person, because normal varies from culture to culture. there may be some societies in which those we deem to be psychopaths would be hailed as warriors, or have some other high status.

    thirdly, i respect your opinion and see your point :)

  70. Profile photo of TehKitteh
    TehKitteh Female 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 5:18 pm
    ha or we could take link`s suggestion and pull a Bobbit on the kid ;)
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    madest Male 40-49
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    August 6, 2009 at 5:21 pm
    The police answer? Two flower pots.
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    divine_wind Male 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 5:23 pm
    they live in the projects? no way..
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    Carlizzle Male 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 5:27 pm
    wow tough luck.
    =/
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    quaintness Male 13-17
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    August 6, 2009 at 5:35 pm
    I`m not really shocked by anything except that these things happen and nobody does anything constructive.
  75. Profile photo of TehKitteh
    TehKitteh Female 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 5:37 pm
    quaintness....the fact that this story doesn`t shock you is a little worrisome...what exactly would it take? the mass murder of a few million people?
  76. Profile photo of SuperSmash
    SuperSmash Male 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 5:37 pm
    "an instinct characterizes a society (and is culturally defined)."

    Culture has nothing to do with instinct. The instinct to suck (as in a nipple) is one shared by all. The instinct to dodge a tackle in football is kin to avoiding a predator in the wild. Some people are better at it than others and some don`t have it all. Or didn`t.

  77. Profile photo of TehKitteh
    TehKitteh Female 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 5:40 pm
    how do you know a member of a tribe in Africa would avoid an oncoming football player? that analogy makes no sense...an African warrior may very well go at the oncoming football player (or predator) with a weapon and try to kill it...thus, your avoiding argument holds no water.

    I`m not having an argument about what an instinct is AGAIN, so this is the last i`ll say about it.

  78. Profile photo of SuperSmash
    SuperSmash Male 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 5:46 pm
    That`s good because you`re wrong. Culture has never and will never have anything to do with instincts. Every living thing has instincts. In fact, every action an ant ever does in its life is an instinct. They don`t know what they`re doing, they just do it.

    Anyway, culture may dictate which instincts are favorable or not, but it has nothing to do with the instincts themselves.

  79. Profile photo of Jabbox
    Jabbox Male 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 5:48 pm
    teh kitteh: some people aren`t affected by news, it`s nothing wrong with them, they just don`t get shocked by things. heck, when 9/11 happened, I was mildly annoyed...
  80. Profile photo of TehKitteh
    TehKitteh Female 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 5:48 pm
    LOL how do you know what an ant thinks? have you talked to one recently to see whether its actions are conscious or "instinctual"? for all you know, ants may very well do things consciously......

    Neither one of us is right or wrong, they`re just opinions. I for one don`t take them too seriously :p

  81. Profile photo of TehKitteh
    TehKitteh Female 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 5:52 pm
    jabbox.....you were "mildly annoyed" when thousands of people were killed by terrorists? maybe you weren`t old enough to understand what was going on, I know I wasn`t. To say you were "mildly annoyed" speaks more to a lack of understanding/comprehension than it does to not being affected by the news, especially considering your age....

    but I do agree, some people unfortunately aren`t as affected by this kind of news as others.

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    SuperSmash Male 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 5:52 pm
    You`re right about the African tribe thing, but it only furthers my argument that not every person shares the same instincts. I`ll take my football analogy further. Some players prefer to run directly into another player. They`re called fullbacks. Some avoid contact. They`re called wide receivers. Actually, a person`s preferred position in football is probably derived from their differing instincts.

    Baseball is a game of instinct. You have less than .25 (or even less) of a second to decide whether to swing or not. That`s not enough time to actually make a decision, so you rely on instinct. If we all the same instincts, we`d all be good at baseball.

    Sorry for all the sports analogies. I know they don`t go over well here in the internet. If I could make some anime references, I would.

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    TehKitteh Female 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 5:54 pm
    supersmash, what you`re talking about is called SKILL and TALENT, not instinct...there is a MAJOR difference. To decide when to swing a bat or what position to play on the field has nothing to do with instincts, it`s all about personal preferences and level of talent....but deciding to be a wide receiver instead of a fullback is not an innate, unconscious decision that has been with the player since birth. sorry, kiddo.
  84. Profile photo of SuperSmash
    SuperSmash Male 18-29
    3758 posts
    August 6, 2009 at 5:56 pm
    "for all you know, ants may very well do things consciously......"

    Of course, nothing here is serious. Debate like this is fun. It`s hard to find people to have an intelligent discussion with in the real world.

    Okay, ants may think about what they`re doing. If so, we`d have some really surprised scientists, but they might. We can go further down the line to a lifeform that doesn`t even have the physical mechanics to produce thought (kinda like ants, but anyway...) and they still do things. Anything they do is instinct.

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    TehKitteh Female 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 5:57 pm
    to take it further, deciding which position to play has more to do with how one is raised, rather than "instincts". if one is raised to meet conflict head-on and even seek it out, then one will prefer to be a full-back. if one is raised to avoid contact and stay on the sidelines, one prefers to be a wide receiver.

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    TehKitteh Female 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 6:00 pm
    okay, I will grant you that, lower life forms do seem to do things (such as procreation) by instinct, not conscious decision. However, the difference between humans and lower life forms is our ability to perform higher-level cognitive functions.

    i was watching a show on the Discovery Channel about those who consider themselves to be asexual--that is, they want emotional closeness, but have no need for sex, and do not want to procreate. since this type of person exists, could it then be said that the need to procreate isn`t necessarily instinctual, as it`s not shared by all members of the species?

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    SuperSmash Male 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 6:01 pm
    Actually, I`d have to say that instincts are the building blocks of talent.

    Talent is culturally defined.

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    SuperSmash Male 18-29
    3758 posts
    August 6, 2009 at 6:03 pm
    "could it then be said that the need to procreate isn`t necessarily instinctual, as it`s not shared by all members of the species?"

    Well, humans can overcome their instincts. So, I don`t know about anything else. I`m not sure if a dog feels naturally compelled to procreate, but many sure do love to hump stuff. Even when they don`t have the equipment.

  89. Profile photo of TehKitteh
    TehKitteh Female 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 6:03 pm
    :p good point. It could be suggested, I suppose, that certain talents are instinctual---if you`re saying that instinct is the same thing as genetic predisposition. For instance, I could be predisposed to be good at music, but whether or not that talent is fostered is determined by the environment. However, the talent itself is always there, in the genes.....individual instinct, then?
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    TehKitteh Female 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 6:04 pm
    LOL at the dog analogy ;) actually, the "need to hump stuff" is often a show of dominance, not sexual urge....but still a good one. I`m actually logging off for the night, it was great chatting with you :) :) :)
  91. Profile photo of SuperSmash
    SuperSmash Male 18-29
    3758 posts
    August 6, 2009 at 6:10 pm
    Yeah, I dunno. Whatever it is, it`s complicated. Good chat.
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    sukitjeezus Female 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 6:55 pm
    "What do we do guys? We can`t gang bang tonight! They put down flowers!"
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    jerdboy Male 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 7:09 pm
    And people wonder why black people were oppressed for so many years...
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    August 6, 2009 at 7:09 pm
    they in da hood yo
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    BunnyNaku Female 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 7:12 pm
    wtf..
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    opiebreath Female 18-29
    15774 posts
    August 6, 2009 at 7:23 pm
    Oh Jesus what argument have I started? D:

    I was just trying to argue that feeling sympathy was NOT a completely will-powered choice. Now vocab is being questioned, degrees are being pulled out, names are being called...

    I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A POOOOOINT! Dx

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    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 7:24 pm
    Actually to think of it, all I was really trying to do in the beginning of all of this was remember the term "psychopath."
  98. Profile photo of vanillabear
    vanillabear Male 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 7:46 pm
    @ jerdboy "And people wonder why black people were oppressed for so many years... "

    And why is that?

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    LoNgShOt420 Male 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 7:49 pm
    because blacks aren`t people vanillabear.
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    dave32891 Male 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 8:13 pm
    racist much longshot?
  101. Profile photo of SuperSmash
    SuperSmash Male 18-29
    3758 posts
    August 6, 2009 at 9:20 pm
    I looked it up (which I probably should have in the first place) and the internet told me that to be an animal instinct in the scientific sense, it must be shared by all members of a species.

    However, we were really arguning semantics because instinct can be scientific or more casual. The scientific sense rarely applies to humans because we can overcome them. So, since we have the power of cognitive thought we really have very little instinct after infanthood. Pretty much everything we do beyond natural functions is taught.

    In conclusion, when it comes to the casual sense that most applies to humans, I was right. When it comes to the scientific sense, I was wrong. No one cares and the person I was debating is gone, but I felt I needed to clear that up. Thank you.

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    themonorail Male 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 10:02 pm
    how many flower pots?
  103. Profile photo of CME4BMWS
    CME4BMWS Male 40-49
    27 posts
    August 6, 2009 at 10:08 pm
    I don`t comment on this website often, but I will today.
    Jabbox, you were somewhere between 4 and 7 when 9/11 happened. I don`t expect a child to understand those events...but now you are 13-17, and now you have a real smart mouth on you, trying to be a big shot. THOUSANDS of Americans lost their lives and loved ones on that day; families shattered, lives ruined. A young man who had parents that raised him correctly would know what the words "respect" and "love of country" meant, and would never say such a callous thing, but you did. I hope you appreciate all of the people and soldiers who gave their lives so you can sit there, all smarmy and brave, behind your little computer screen, being "cool." Let me leave it at this you little bastard...if you were my son and I heard you say that, you wouldn`t be walking real well for a couple of weeks, because every time you stood up, I would wear your ass out all over again. You should be ashamed.
    Grow up.
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    600R3d Male 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 10:19 pm
    *high fives CME4BMWS*
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    Abacab2112 Male 18-29
    433 posts
    August 6, 2009 at 10:33 pm
    Indeed, CME4BMWS. He needs to be put in his place.

    To shrug off such a monstrous act of aggression is appalling. If you finally realize the implications of what you`ve said, you should apologize.

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    Popnoyt Female 13-17
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    August 6, 2009 at 10:35 pm
    CME4BMWS,
    amen.
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    greenfreak19 Male 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 10:38 pm
    @ qaintness and jabbox: or to the people talking about/to them. some people just aren`t affected by what goes on in the world/country as long is it not "in their front lawn".
    @CME4BMWS: while i agree with you 90 percent about the whole respect part and about jabbox being a coward behind a computer screen and beating him if he was your or my kid. one thing i i dont agree with you is the "love of country" bit. you dont need or have to love your country, or any country for that matter. you could almost hate this country and still have respect for all of the lives that were forever changed/ruined because of 9/11.
    but then again it all comes down to freedom of choice. and if jabbox wants to just be mildly annoyed about 9/11, let him be. hell, he can jump up and cheer about what happened on 9/11 for all i care, just so long as he knows the consequences of doing/supporting/opposing whatever it is. and really, most people dont realize the consequences of even their
  108. Profile photo of greenfreak19
    greenfreak19 Male 18-29
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    August 6, 2009 at 10:40 pm
    (add to end of post below)
    own actions.
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    bunny_knight Male 18-29
    352 posts
    August 6, 2009 at 10:48 pm
    pouring cleaning agent into the eyes of a pre-teen.... how can anyone even do that? it makes me sick just thinking about it
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    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
    8306 posts
    August 6, 2009 at 10:54 pm
    Based on yesterday`s "Cheating Man" article, I expected 99% of IAB to say the teen was the victim and the mom should be jailed for life.
  111. Profile photo of CME4BMWS
    CME4BMWS Male 40-49
    27 posts
    August 6, 2009 at 11:13 pm
    Greenfreak,
    One of the great things about our constitution is everyone`s right to express their opinion. You are obviously intelligent and well spoken, and can actually spell, so I will respond to you. You and I are from two different generations. I was raised to love my country, our flag, and what it stands for, and I do. For all of America`s faults, there is truly no other country in the world like the United States. You may not love what your government is currently doing, or the direction it is going in, but I think if you asked most Americans if they love America, they would respond with a resounding YES. How many millions have we liberated or saved? Gabillions of $$$ given? How many millions of lives were sacrificed for others that we didn`t even know, but because we knew it was the right thing to do? Technology? Food and medical assistance? And on, and on?
    Sure, we have stubbed our toe a few times, but...yes, I do love my country, and am proud to say so.
  112. Profile photo of kiscorlio
    kiscorlio Male 18-29
    49 posts
    August 6, 2009 at 11:21 pm
    @CME4BMWS:

    Don`t forget to ask immigrants if they love this country. Their answer is perhaps even more valuable, given they`ve something to compare with.

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    greenfreak19 Male 18-29
    48 posts
    August 6, 2009 at 11:38 pm
    CME4BMWS,
    haha, thanks about the whole spelling part. made me laugh. And I definitely understand where your coming from. We are from 2 very different generations. And I also understand that you were raised to love our country, the flag, and what it stands for. While I do love living here, this is in my opinion one of the better countries for the reasons you listed, I don`t agree with a lot of things our government is doing, like you said. But as one generation mind set to another, good for you for loving the country, seriously. It`s always good to have love and faith in something as important as one`s own country. But of course I was brought up in a different time and with a parent with very different views even for her own time. And so i tend not to support much of anything our government does in current affairs. But i of course do respect the soldiers and everyone one else that has dedicated their lives to protecting/serving this country.
  114. Profile photo of CME4BMWS
    CME4BMWS Male 40-49
    27 posts
    August 6, 2009 at 11:42 pm
    Kiscorlieo, your point is well made. I`m certain that I am misquoting, but you will get the point.

    "The true measure of a countries` greatness is in how it treats it`s children and it`s elderly."

    The other measure is how many people are trying to get into your country, vs. how many people are trying to get out of it.
    Goodnight.

  115. Profile photo of CME4BMWS
    CME4BMWS Male 40-49
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    August 6, 2009 at 11:47 pm
    Kiscorlio...sorry for the misspell...I`m tired!
  116. Profile photo of CME4BMWS
    CME4BMWS Male 40-49
    27 posts
    August 6, 2009 at 11:57 pm
    Green, I must say this...I dig the hair, buddy. That is...impressive.
    Goodnight.
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    greenfreak19 Male 18-29
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    August 7, 2009 at 12:16 am
    haha, thanks man
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    WeenieDog Male 13-17
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    August 7, 2009 at 1:18 am
    Flowerpots. Yeah, that`ll do a lot.
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    iluvrevenge Female 13-17
    369 posts
    August 7, 2009 at 2:14 am
    DETROIT?

    go wank yourself to death webcamwanker.

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    Overmann Male 18-29
    2600 posts
    August 7, 2009 at 2:39 am
    "its why they are apes"

    Sure they`re apes; but so is anyone of any color.

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    bucklandlady Female 60-69
    69 posts
    August 7, 2009 at 2:50 am
    I guessed Alabama, really surprised that it`s Florida. I want to go to Florida for a vacation one day, but particularly to drive down the Keys. Sorry to bring such lightness to a gruelling subject.
  122. Profile photo of ometatherion
    ometatherion Male 30-39
    174 posts
    August 7, 2009 at 3:30 am
    "I guessed Alabama, really surprised that it`s Florida. I want to go to Florida for a vacation one day, but particularly to drive down the Keys. Sorry to bring such lightness to a gruelling subject."

    there`s always Hawaii

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    Tacos4Brkfst Male 18-29
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    August 7, 2009 at 4:04 am
    00:54....


    HUH?

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    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    August 7, 2009 at 5:14 am
    Any blatantly racist and trolling comments will be deleted, and anyone who says such comments will be banned.

    That includes you, Webcamwanker.

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    deaf_woman Male 30-39
    2720 posts
    August 7, 2009 at 6:24 am
    actually windex is good for the eyes.
    but that`s not an excuse. awful poo.
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    iamthesara Female 18-29
    32 posts
    August 7, 2009 at 7:06 am
    OMGWTFBBQBACON!! What is wrong with teenagers now!? Seriously, parents/guardians need to get a lot more involved in kids` lives. Or put parental controls on their computers so they can`t look at porn and get sick/stupid ideas. This is just wrong wrong wrong. And sick. What`s worse is the stupid news is turning it into a big expo. What is going on with Florida?
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    Itsalwysunny Male 18-29
    1377 posts
    August 7, 2009 at 8:35 am
    god this is horrible. I used to live in downtown pittsburgh for the betetr part of my childhood and would hear stories like this almost everyday. It`s repulsive to think that kids are growing up with absolutely no conscious or even worse recieve praises for commiting deeds such as this. Gangs are getting worse and worse and it is DEFINENTLY a form of social inequalities. Growing up in a certain area DOES limit your life. I wish to god that all people born in the ghettos had the sense to get out and do something with their lives but majority end up joining gangs and behavior like this is actually what younger generations look up to and idolize its sick and something NEEDS to be done about it
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    bucklandlady Female 60-69
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    August 7, 2009 at 8:36 am
    ometatherion - Hawaii would be great but it`s too far from the UK! Getting back to the subject, I presume the perportrators were high on some cheap crack?
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    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
    4682 posts
    August 7, 2009 at 8:43 am
    I lost faith in humanity after watching the video and reading jabbox`s comment, then regained some after reading CME4BMWS` response.
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    StudentOfMan Male 40-49
    346 posts
    August 7, 2009 at 9:32 am
    "I don`t know how this happened" That is a quote for the ages. You know, I can tell her exactly how this happened. Grandma was a child with a child, mom was achild with a child, mom left, dad not around and grandma doesn`t give a f**k. Raise a child with no boundries or respect for others and you get feral human beings that have no respect for others` pain and suffering. This isn`t because of where they were born, it because of the family they were born into. It`s called learned helplessness and frankly I about tired of it.
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    fnkychkn Female 40-49
    855 posts
    August 7, 2009 at 9:37 am
    trash breeds trash. sterilize them.
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    jar-head Male 13-17
    596 posts
    August 7, 2009 at 10:54 am
    i believe in absolution , the undoing of others sins, redemption are in the hands of few, even fewer to Walk.
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    viczko Male 13-17
    906 posts
    August 7, 2009 at 10:54 am
    lol flower pots
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    Sajo Male 18-29
    436 posts
    August 7, 2009 at 11:16 am
    "iamthesara
    OMGWTFBBQBACON!! What is wrong with teenagers now!? Seriously, parents/guardians need to get a lot more involved in kids` lives. Or put parental controls on their computers so they can`t look at porn and get sick/stupid ideas. This is just wrong wrong wrong. And sick. What`s worse is the stupid news is turning it into a big expo. What is going on with Florida?"
    I am of the opinion that parental controls are worthless. It`s all in how the children are raised. My parents allowed me to watch R rated films when I was 9, maybe younger. I also watched porn and heavy gore ala Faces of Death. My parents also raised me well, along with my personality and MY morals, I am a fine person. I don`t injure creatures for no reason, I`m quite generous, kind, and polite.
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    airsofter1 Male 18-29
    1090 posts
    August 7, 2009 at 11:19 am
    lets see. get rid of welfare and the projects. natural selection will take place and the filth of the earth will die off. sh_it like this won`t happen. or u can pay to support entire communities of violent and useless people. hmmm...
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    airsofter1 Male 18-29
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    August 7, 2009 at 11:20 am
    agreed?
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    Aretsuku-kun Male 13-17
    309 posts
    August 7, 2009 at 11:36 am
    Only in the states.
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    Monday Male 13-17
    118 posts
    August 7, 2009 at 11:53 am
    "Oh dang, flower pots. We better turn back, guys"
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    bassprincess Female 18-29
    72 posts
    August 7, 2009 at 12:12 pm
    Ugh... I need to get out of this state....
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    krabkat Female 18-29
    1261 posts
    August 7, 2009 at 12:28 pm
    I swear to you that the lady being interviewed when the gunshot went off - farted simultaneously! Listen to it! Right about 1:13.

    And you can`t tell me his grandma was surprised! Oh pls...she`s just hoping they lock the little b-tard up now cuz she can`t control him.

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    Boadicea Female 18-29
    1677 posts
    August 7, 2009 at 2:00 pm
    Blah blah blah, I didn`t watch the video, the description was gross enough, BUT I want to take issue with the title.

    There is no such thing as `forced sex`. Sex is a consensual act between two (or more?) people, RAPE is a violent assault on a person`s body and bodily autonomy. Calling rape forced sex reduces the severity of the actual offense, and makes it sound `not so bad`. Rape is not sex.

  142. Profile photo of Aretsuku-kun
    Aretsuku-kun Male 13-17
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    August 7, 2009 at 2:30 pm
    Blah blah blah, I didn`t watch the video, the description was gross enough, BUT I want to take issue with the title.

    There is no such thing as `forced sex`. Sex is a consensual act between two (or more?) people, RAPE is a violent assault on a person`s body and bodily autonomy. Calling rape forced sex reduces the severity of the actual offense, and makes it sound `not so bad`. Rape is not sex.


    Do you think anybody here cares about your post at all?

  143. Profile photo of TehTy
    TehTy Male 13-17
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    August 7, 2009 at 3:16 pm
    Boadica, if you didn`t watch, don`t comment. Also, I`m pretty sure rape is sex when one party is threatened into it. Or worse.
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    Romybun88 Female 18-29
    65 posts
    August 7, 2009 at 4:24 pm
    Boadicea is right rape is not sex. sex is a consensual act between 2 adults. if there is any force involved it is rape. no 2 ways about it. sorry but i know personally! please dont disrespect peoples opinions whether they watched or not, some issues are sensitive to others.
    I did watch and wow thats a new form of low. What state was it in? the video didn`t say or i missed it. x
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    SaintsFan Male 30-39
    256 posts
    August 7, 2009 at 5:54 pm
    No judge, no jury, just the death penalty. This is where the Islamic laws have it right. An eye for an eye.
  146. Profile photo of SuperSmash
    SuperSmash Male 18-29
    3758 posts
    August 7, 2009 at 6:13 pm
    Saintsfan, "an eye for an eye" was originally meant to decrease the severity of punishment. It really meant that you could do no more to the other person than they did to you. You couldn`t kill someone for theft.

    In that case, this kid just needs to be gang raped. Which will probably happen when he gets arrested again after getting out of juve.

    Also, isn`t illegal to reveal his identity if he`s a minor?

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    bikenutt Male 30-39
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    August 7, 2009 at 7:29 pm
    Keep it classy America.
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    Spambot3000 Male 18-29
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    August 8, 2009 at 5:04 am
    What a nice young man
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    GothicQueen Male 13-17
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    August 8, 2009 at 11:17 am
    Well this was pleasant.
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    jmanbaseball Male 18-29
    168 posts
    August 10, 2009 at 11:29 am
    No judge, no jury, just the death penalty. This is where the Islamic laws have it right. An eye for an eye.
    FAIL

    Agreeing with SuperSmash: An eye for an eye means that the punishment is the same as a crime. It doesn`t mean that anything you do gets you the death penalty.

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    tiben36 Male 13-17
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    August 10, 2009 at 12:43 pm
    drating I am a racist!s! >-(
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    Austiep Male 13-17
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    August 13, 2009 at 12:34 am
    code of hammurabi

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