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Date: 08/08/09 06:06 AM

135 Responses to Someone Really Hates Obama`s Health Plan [Pic]

  1. Profile photo of fancylad
    fancylad Male 30-39
    18854 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 7:02 am
    Link: Someone Really Hates Obama`s Health Plan - C`mon, no one likes Barry`s health care plan ideas, but the guy who made this pamphlet is taking things waaaay too far.
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
    13631 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 7:07 am
    Ooooooooohhhhoooooohhhh,
    someones got there pants a bit too tight,
    He (the producer of said pamphlet) needs to kick back a little and smoke a pipe perhaps
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    mcdanny Male 13-17
    13 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 7:13 am
    whats a"Heath" in the title of this post and in the description.....
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    GummyWurmz Female 13-17
    1412 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 7:14 am
    Hitler with Obama? okayyy
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    GummyWurmz Female 13-17
    1412 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 7:15 am
    I`m sure the writer of this pamphlet needs to check his historical facts hah :)
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    Poreka Female 13-17
    710 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 7:18 am
    I thought Hitler hated black people...
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    chadders42 Male 13-17
    171 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 7:18 am
    Seriously, is there something inherently wrong with Republicans?
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    rickbub Male 40-49
    293 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 7:24 am
    chadders... Larouche is an EXTREMELY right wing nut-job. Say what you want abut the Republicans, but trust me when I tell you, the GOP has nothing at all to do with him.
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    s0rd3dvis1on Male 18-29
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    August 8, 2009 at 7:51 am
    Obama was going to kick hitlers ass but he had to be transorted forward through time to save the world from Larouche the mind playa
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    Wey_Pooh Male 18-29
    1004 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 7:58 am
    Barrack Hussein Obama working with Hitler? Makes sense.
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    Shisi Male 18-29
    779 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 8:00 am
    I flipping love this picture. I don`t dislike obama, I just like how they are showing their ideas.
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    She111 Female 18-29
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    August 8, 2009 at 8:10 am
    Take the name on the bottom left....add a capital D...you have your author. My work here...is done
  13. Profile photo of 0Sigma0
    0Sigma0 Female 30-39
    525 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 8:12 am
    This still isn`t as bad as the dumbest human associated with politics, Sarah Palin, claiming that Obama`s health plan is going to kill her son because he has Down`s Syndrome. I think she has seriously flipped out. She has gone from irrational to paranoia. Come to think of it, she prolly made this pamphlet.
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    crazydaiz Female 18-29
    251 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 8:12 am
    It`s by this LaRouche guy. They caught me trying to buy a magazine out of Ralph`s. Its kinda funny
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    pizzabob18 Male 18-29
    366 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 8:13 am
    Yeah...A world war 2 dictator who hated everyone non-white and non-christian working with Obama. Someone payed attention in their high school history class
  16. Profile photo of crazydaiz
    crazydaiz Female 18-29
    251 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 8:14 am
    They told me that Obama`s health care plan was secretly a way to murder and ride the world of the old and sick. Seriously there`s soe sick stuff in tht pamphlet
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    Adoras Male 18-29
    265 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 8:19 am
    who cares, bush was compared to hitler everyday. oh and please do not snitch on me :(
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    quietxkiller Male 18-29
    24 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 8:22 am
    do you realize you spelled health wrong both times you spelled it? I thought this post had something to do with the candy lol
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    Ailyn_Vel Female 18-29
    116 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 8:26 am
    Obama is the candy man?!?!
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    DickFace3 Male 13-17
    23 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 8:35 am
    Fancy, did you read Opie`s email about the site vulnerability?
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    shunpo_31 Male 18-29
    1381 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 8:36 am
    haha oh, internet.
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    Baelzar Male 40-49
    1399 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 8:45 am
    Quick go to Google Images and do a search for "Bush Hitler" and see what appears, crybabies.
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    Dolegay Male 18-29
    148 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 8:46 am
    well of course. Its from Larouche. He is an extremist who wants nothing more than to raise funds off the hot button issues. He did the same thing when Bush and when Clinton where in office.
    check out his wiki page for more info. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRo...
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    Smokeylove11 Female 13-17
    290 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 8:53 am
    Any plan that gives out Heath bars is a-okay with me. :D

    Or... the Heath Ledger plan? I thought the courts took care of that one months ago. :\

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    panth753 Female 18-29
    9240 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 8:54 am
    It must be from Rush Limbaugh (or however you spell his name).
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    Knoxville912 Male 18-29
    73 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 9:09 am
    OMG A PRESIDENT PUT WITH HITLER?!?!!11?! I guess it was funny when it was done to Bush.
  27. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 9:15 am
    "Seriously, is there something inherently wrong with Republicans?"

    Maybe, but the guy who produced this pamphlet, Lyndon Larouche, is a Democrat (in the same sense that David Duke is a Republican). Parties cannot control who claims membership.

    Comparisons to Hitler and the Nazis are always considered to be out of line because we always jump to the singular evil of the Holocaust. This is unfortunate, because it prevents us from learning the lessons of how the Nazis rose to power. They may have ended up being insane mass murders, but that`s not how they started out, and that`s what we should be looking at now. If we compare Obama not to the Hitler of the 1940s but rather to the European Fasçists of the 1920s and early 1930s, we can see a number of similarities that should give us pause.

    It`s too bad that any attempt to study this history causes such hysteria that we may be doomed to repeat it.

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    IVBYDRK Female 18-29
    66 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 9:22 am
    Larouche.... lol I saw Douche at first glance....
  29. Profile photo of fancylad
    fancylad Male 30-39
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    August 8, 2009 at 9:46 am
    I always love a Baelzar post. Not enough Baelzar on the I-A-B forums.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 9:48 am
    Old Ollie:

    The problem there is that you`re committing an entirely different fallacy. The only reason to compare people to the Nazis is the negativity of the holocaust.

    Personally I don`t really care if there are "striking similarities" between Nazi hairstyles and his, nor any positive healthcare reforms, nor in taxation policies.

    Are these evil things? No.
    Do they lead to genocide? No.
    Do they matter? No.

    Unless the similarities are that he`s putting his least favourite ethnic group into gas chambers, your point is moot.

    Unless of course your point is "First minor healthcare reform, next it`ll be genocide" in which case your point is moot on entirely different grounds I`m too polite to go into.

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    StrangeLil1 Female 18-29
    85 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 9:51 am
    "Comparisons to Hitler and the Nazis are always considered to be out of line because we always jump to the singular evil of the Holocaust. This is unfortunate, because it prevents us from learning the lessons of how the Nazis rose to power. They may have ended up being insane mass murders, but that`s not how they started out, and that`s what we should be looking at now. If we compare Obama not to the Hitler of the 1940s but rather to the European Fasçists of the 1920s and early 1930s, we can see a number of similarities that should give us pause.

    It`s too bad that any attempt to study this history causes such hysteria that we may be doomed to repeat it."

    OldOllie, I couldn`t agree with you more.

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    taitano Male 30-39
    205 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 9:54 am
    I dunno. . . I gotta call it.

    SHOPPED!!!

    I don`t think Obamah`s old enough for that picture. . . Unless he`s a vampire. !O.O!

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    pieriscool Female 18-29
    5 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 9:55 am
    haha note the tickled look on hitlers face. are they flirting or something? wow. i pitty the guy who made this.
  34. Profile photo of gorgack2000
    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
    4682 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 9:58 am
    More like larDOUCHEpac.com, amrite?

    Well I found it sort of funny.

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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
    9308 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 10:25 am
    You`d get more support with positive action rather than negative anyway.

    Someone once said:

    "I won`t go to your anti-war protest, but I`ll go to your pro-peace rally."

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    Druss Male 18-29
    161 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 10:26 am
    Don`t know what`s worse, the picture or you advertising their website :D
  37. Profile photo of SuperSmash
    SuperSmash Male 18-29
    3758 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 10:44 am
    I`m guessing there`s a D under the guy`s wrist.
  38. Profile photo of Groogle
    Groogle Male 30-39
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    August 8, 2009 at 10:47 am
    It`s close to reality if you ask me.

    The more time goes by, the more health becomes a luxury.

  39. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 10:51 am
    Baalthazaq, you completely missed my point. The question is, how did the Nazis acquire so much power that they could then launch WWII and murder 6 million+ people? They didn`t campaign on that platform. They got power by promising to give the people everything they wanted; then they used their mandate to acquire unprecedented powers to the central government including nearly absolute control over the private sector.

    Now, does that mean Obama is going to start throwing CEOs, investment bankers, and insurance executives into ovens? Of course not. He already has them trembling in their boots ready to do whatever he asks. If they don`t play along, he will cap their pay, raise their taxes, or simply have them fired. Or maybe he`ll just send a few busloads of hired thugs from SEIU and ACORN out to their houses to harass and threaten their families.

    Granted, there are a few right wing nuts using the term Nazi, but not elected Republicans. Elected Democrats, though, use it all the time.

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    blackbum4me Male 18-29
    35 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 11:01 am
    "...WWII and murder 6 million+ people.." the approximately Number of death during ww2 is about 50 million and about 20million alone caused by the german military.

    criticising obamah this early is absolutely retarded, haters going crazy. You cant fix bush`s poo in month

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    blackbum4me Male 18-29
    35 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 11:02 am
    decades would be more accurate
  42. Profile photo of LordNick
    LordNick Male 18-29
    284 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 11:11 am
    Only ignorant fools who are incapable of their own thoughts would be against a government health care system. The republicans are the party of NO! and NO! is what got us into this tremendous problem. I pay 4K a year for my health insurance and had to fight them to cover my two doctors visits last year for a combined $278. Anyone who thinks that is good, must work for UHC
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    Critter13 Female 13-17
    34 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 11:15 am
    I missed that "Larouche" that the top and saw the hand covering everything but "ouche" at the bottom and instantly I thought to put a "D" infront of that
  44. Profile photo of GothicQueen
    GothicQueen Male 13-17
    4376 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 11:23 am
    Alright now I know I may sound like an idiot to some because I don`t pay much attention to politics but can someone please explain to me what Obamas idea for health care is?

    I have tried looking it up myself but all i get is crap about Palin calling it Evil and Drug companies backing it or something. I just want to to know WHAT it is supposed to do and what exactly it is. I don`t want any biased opinions like or people telling me it`s a good idea or a bad idea i just want the straight facts about what it is.

    Please.

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    kinjomusashi Male 30-39
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    August 8, 2009 at 11:28 am
    who the f*ck is barry?
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    bubba5658 Male 50-59
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    August 8, 2009 at 11:42 am
    Gothic Queen; Searching for political answers on IAB is like trying to get a gumball out of a condom machine.
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    ghostofme Male 18-29
    516 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 12:02 pm
    "Only ignorant fools who are incapable of their own thoughts would be..."

    Most tired expression used when it comes to politics. You know that saying can be used both ways, right, LordNick?

    Look, I really don`t have anything to say one way or another on this issue, but when people start blurting out these kind of stupid phrases, I feel compelled to lash out.

    It can`t be that hard to actually come up with a compelling argument, can it? Is IAB doomed to turn out like IMDb`s message board? I shudder at that thought.

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    bubba5658 Male 50-59
    38 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 12:16 pm
    Gothic Queen; Searching for political answers on IAB is like trying to get a gumball out of a condom machine.
  49. Profile photo of SuperSmash
    SuperSmash Male 18-29
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    August 8, 2009 at 12:21 pm
    "who the f*ck is barry?"

    That`s what Obama went by as a kid before he realized his ethnicity could be used for political gain.

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    lllBorislll Male 18-29
    443 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 12:57 pm
    LOL the bottom left, the flyer os obviously called "Douche" flyer, but the hand is covering the D
  51. Profile photo of Fartacus
    Fartacus Female 50-59
    529 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 1:37 pm
    These people scare me. Let`s get rid of Medicare and Social Security next.

    Just remember, health insurance doesn`t deny health care, it just denies payment. You can still get whatever you want as long as you pay for it.

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    billbob-05 Male 18-29
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    August 8, 2009 at 1:41 pm
    http://larouchepac.com/files/media/Act_N...

    Thats the leaflet.

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    Kougaiji Male 18-29
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    August 8, 2009 at 2:26 pm
    It`s from Lyndon LaRouche. Let`s just say he`s an idiot who wishes he was anywhere half as insightful, clear, and intelligent as Noam Chomsky. At one point he was on the left side, but now he`s so corrupt and self-interested that he`ll do anything for mainstream attention (which is usually not something either insightful, clear, or intelligent).
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    sinfulsisi Female 13-17
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    August 8, 2009 at 2:30 pm
    DOUCHE COMMITTE
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    CaaBaaRaa Female 13-17
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    August 8, 2009 at 2:32 pm
    GothicQueen - http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles...
    I think thats it, but i`m not sure.
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    keith2 Male 30-39
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    August 8, 2009 at 2:58 pm
    lol @ the almost douch action committee
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    vitaliy Male 18-29
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    August 8, 2009 at 3:09 pm
    Hitler seems kind of uncomfortable next to Obama...
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    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    August 8, 2009 at 3:13 pm
    For some reason, I really doubt the Nazis would accept Obama into their group... what with him being half black and all...

    *cough*

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    captainkat Female 13-17
    159 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 3:20 pm
    "Hitler seems kind of uncomfortable next to Obama..."

    I think hes flirting with him. everyone is looking at him like hes brad pitt

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    simim23 Female 18-29
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    August 8, 2009 at 4:13 pm
    Hot damn, there`s one of those twilight vampires in that nazi picture. XD
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    billy66bare Male 18-29
    289 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 4:46 pm
    These guys have scared the poo out of half the old people in the country. What a bunch of bitch ass muther draters.
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    Jinabz Female 13-17
    14 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 5:04 pm
    has anyone notices that girl on the right?... She`s kind of freaking me out..
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    Superapearmy Male 18-29
    85 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 5:12 pm
    We will get you back Rush!
  64. Profile photo of Winter_ICE_0
    Winter_ICE_0 Male 13-17
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    August 8, 2009 at 5:32 pm
    No matter who the president is, someone will compare him to Hitler. PERIOD.
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    admisaok Male 18-29
    516 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 5:56 pm
    like anyone`s gonna trust douche action committee
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    BunnyNaku Female 18-29
    5224 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 7:01 pm
    not ok
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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
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    August 8, 2009 at 7:21 pm
    Oh gosh. Look, I respect some republicans. SOME. I respect some democrats. SOME. But honestly, both parties increase the size of government, end up taxing us more and more, and shave away what is left of our civil liberties. C*ntbag republicans like Sarah Palin & "the government is the answer to all our problems" liberals only make things worse.
  68. Profile photo of verinon
    verinon Male 18-29
    335 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 7:26 pm
    People are just upset cause they don`t wanna help poor people. Here`s a tip: get over yourself!
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    maedene Male 18-29
    291 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 7:27 pm
    hahaha thats horrible! Wow, who is this Douche Action Committee?
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    maedene Male 18-29
    291 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 7:28 pm
    and that SS officer looks waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too happy
  71. Profile photo of FlamedNight
    FlamedNight Male 18-29
    395 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 8:12 pm
    Actually verinon, we like helping poor people. We volunteer, we donate, ect. What we don`t like: Taxing people who work hard for their fair share and having that money given to people who don`t work at all. Sure, there are some people who really need it, but there will be many who just steal from the government. The same with welfare.

    People who are in that situation don`t go out and get jobs and stimulate the economy because they don`t have to. Why go out and work when the government will give me free stuff?

    Universal healthcare will create government run hospitals that have people don`t care about their job. They won`t give attention the patients deserve.

    That is my rant of the day thank-you and goodnight.

    Btw that pic is totally wrong. Even though I don`t like Obama`s policy`s that doesn`t mean you can treat him like that. He`s our president for goodness sake.

  72. Profile photo of gamerx47
    gamerx47 Male 18-29
    331 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 8:15 pm
    OH COME ON!

    Puuuuuh-leeeease.

    We ALL know obama is a super secret Nazi.

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    FlamedNight Male 18-29
    395 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 8:15 pm
    It`s Larouchpac.com. Not douche. It says it at the top of the pic. Geeze, ignorant people.
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    mulan182 Female 18-29
    305 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 9:10 pm
    i hate obama but thats a little far...................they shoulda put saddam next to barry. tehe
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    xx8sic9xx Male 18-29
    9 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 9:25 pm
    people who are blaming everything on obama are just racist. George w. bush did way worse, and now all you see on cnn is a whole bunch of pissed off old white people!
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    DrRCCola Male 18-29
    67 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 9:25 pm
    FlamedNight`s rant = <3. well said.
  77. Profile photo of zokeman
    zokeman Male 13-17
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    August 8, 2009 at 10:24 pm
    xx8sic9xx,

    I am sick of hearing about the "racism" of everyone who opposes Obama. His administration is destroying America as well as the freedom of american citizens and businesses. He has said on several occasions that he supports nationalized healthcare, and he is willing to overtake the ENTIRE SYSTEM to make sure that every citizen- including illegals and those who freely chose not to pay for insurance- gets healthcare, no matter the quality.

    I am also sick of hearing W being blamed for Obama`s mistakes. The truth is this: Obama has QUADRUPLED the national debt and risen unemployment to 9.5% plus, and plans to dump another TRILLION into healthcare.

    I could elaborate on each one of those points further, but I choose not to because, closeminded as you are, you would ignore every one of my legitimate concerns about the man and his intentions and continue to call me racist based on the sole reason that I disagree with Obama`s socialist ideals.

    Also, CNN? Really?

  78. Profile photo of moonperyie
    moonperyie Female 18-29
    91 posts
    August 8, 2009 at 11:13 pm
    This pamplet IS RACIST and also a desperate attempt to scare POOR uneducated people (who would benefit from health care reform)and liberals into thinking that Obama is some kind of a monster.

    It`s shameless and wrong. People are dying because they can`t afford good health insurance and a lot of people don`t care because they are selfish.

    France, U.K., Switzerland and Canada have good health care systems. The U.S. is the one of the few 1st world countries that is still so BACKWATER on this issue.

    Anyone who opposes this reform is a SELFISH IDEALISIC PIG!!!

    And another thing, taxes will be raised for those who make over $ 200,000 so unless you and your spouse earn six-diget incomes don`t even bother getting into the whole `taxes` hype.

    So to all of you haters: Stop trying to scare people. Sadly, illegals won`t benefit and also the health quality will absolutely NOT go down the drain but that`s wayyy to long of an issue to get into. >:p

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    xx8sic9xx Male 18-29
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    August 8, 2009 at 11:47 pm
    Zokeman, your not even 18 years old yet, you cant vote yet, and dont even know what its like supporting yourself. I bet your parents are just two rich yuppies who are complaining about getting taxed because they cant buy that nice porshe sitting in the dealership, so, they have to get a camaro instead, and those are the kind of ideas that are rubbing off on you.
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    KPizzle Male 18-29
    6 posts
    August 9, 2009 at 12:13 am
    xx8sic9xx - Why the hell are you talking about age? You don`t have to be 18+ to have a drating opinion.

    Your ignorance isn`t helping your cause. Just because he knows his poo doesn`t mean his parents are "rich yuppies trying to buy a porshe."

    If you`re going to try and act smart, don`t be so drating stupid.

  81. Profile photo of DuckBoy87
    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
    3243 posts
    August 9, 2009 at 12:46 am
    "France, U.K., Switzerland and Canada have good health care systems."

    Yup, that`s why the rich from those countries pay there way into the U.S. for, you guessed it, U.S. health care.
    I`d rather not be able to pay for heart surgery, than to wait for a year to get it. At least I`ll live then.
    And health care quality will go down the drain, because Sally IStubbedMyToe is going to be sitting in the doctor`s office instead of putting ice on her toe.

    I`m not saying a national health care system is bad, just what Obama is doing is asinine.

  82. Profile photo of koolkidme
    koolkidme Male 18-29
    123 posts
    August 9, 2009 at 12:49 am
    i got one of those. why people always gotta be hatin on a brotha!?
  83. Profile photo of kurruskita
    kurruskita Female 30-39
    19 posts
    August 9, 2009 at 2:44 am
    @Zokeman...

    Sorry, but you don`t quadruple the national debt and rise unemployment to a 9,5% in less than one year if the former president didn`t screw up big, big time. I am not saying that Obama is a saint, or that he is doing the best, but he is pretty much dealing with the economic poo that Mr. Bush left behind. Same as the rest of the world, actually.

    Also, trying to make a National Health System (I admit that I lack precise details, so I will have to do a bit of searching) seems such a good idea from my european-middle-class-can`t-afford-a-trip-to-the-States-to-pay-for-one-of-those-wonderful-doctors point of wiew than I do not see why people opose it so much. Will someone explain it to me, please?

  84. Profile photo of riotDX
    riotDX Male 18-29
    600 posts
    August 9, 2009 at 6:27 am
    "Will someone explain it to me, please?"
    Already done, look down the comments page at FlamedNight`s rant. Primarily, what will happen is that, since the government will be paying for healthcare, doctors will get paid no matter what, they won`t care about their work, and suddenly the good medical services the United States currently has are no more, in addition to other things. If Middle Class Americans now don`t go to the hospital because they can`t afford it, just think of how well of they`ll be when the government MAKES them pay for that hospital visit whether they go or not.
  85. Profile photo of riotDX
    riotDX Male 18-29
    600 posts
    August 9, 2009 at 6:29 am
    Also, "And another thing, taxes will be raised for those who make over $ 200,000 so unless you and your spouse earn six-diget incomes don`t even bother getting into the whole `taxes` hype."
    Obama also promised during his run for office that the Middle Class would see no tax increases, and has already gone back on that promise. Just because he`s saying the same thing again now doesn`t mean it will be that way.
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    Jammey Male 18-29
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    August 9, 2009 at 6:32 am
    "I`d rather not be able to pay for heart surgery, than to wait for a year to get it. At least I`ll live then."

    Wait, what?

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    riotDX Male 18-29
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    August 9, 2009 at 6:33 am
    Obama`s healthcare plan will put a massive financial strain on the government, which means raised taxes all around. Simple Supply and Demand principle at work: The Government demands, and we supply :/
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    Discomonkey Male 13-17
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    August 9, 2009 at 7:13 am
    "The Government demands, and we supply :/"
    But doesnt the goverment in return supply healthcare, which you demand?
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    cynicalli Female 30-39
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    August 9, 2009 at 8:55 am
    LMAO, Hitler looks all giggly
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    kurruskita Female 30-39
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    August 9, 2009 at 11:51 am
    riotDX... Thank you.

    I don`t share your point of view, though. Might be because I am asmathic and had to spend a week at the hospital some six years ago. I got good treatment, several test to verify that everything was ok (including a TAC, zilions of blood tests, lung tests...), and I did not pay a penny for it, since I pay every month in taxes from my payslip (I live in Spain). A public health system is (at least in my experience) not the "doctors doing nothing because they will get paid nevertheless" scenario that you describe. And if you don`t like it, you still have the chance to go on a private insurance and pay for private doctors so you have more options to choose from.

    I still remember my american flatmate at the time asking with eyes wide open... "But how are you going to PAY for this????"

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    moonperyie Female 18-29
    91 posts
    August 9, 2009 at 1:53 pm
    RiotDX, the mid. class who can`t afford HC WILL visit hospitals again when COSTS GO DOWN you retard!!!

    HC quality won`t go down because doctors will make more money if their patients get HEALTHIER and NOT by the number of tests they "DO NOT" perform (in order to save the insurance companies money) anymore.

    Taxes have RISIN because we`re in a recession and due to the RECESSION there will be more uninsured. We need REFORM!

    BTW, if you don`t earn a salary of over $60,000 then YOU ARE NOT MIDDLE CLASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just because you own a PS3 doesn’t mean you are.

    DONKEYboy87, a few rich, hypochondriac people come to the U.S. for HC because they want the extra attention while A LOT of people from the U.S. go to Canada and even Mexico to get the HC that they can`t get here because IT’S EXPENSIVE.

    If you don`t like the national Health care plan, stick with your private. 8sic9 has a point, Rich yuppies trying to buy a porshe are the ones who are whining.

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    Solvent Male 18-29
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    August 9, 2009 at 2:01 pm
    All it takes is a joke about Obama to unleash everybody`s inner pissed off retard.
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    Raberboom Male 18-29
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    August 9, 2009 at 2:47 pm
    so whats the bottom left corner supposed to say?
    Douche?
    Touche?

    hmmmmm......

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    Omega192 Male 13-17
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    August 9, 2009 at 2:47 pm
    I`m fairly certain that was shopped. The shadows don`t match up properly.
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    lizbian_2 Female 18-29
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    August 9, 2009 at 4:20 pm
    Ummm.... omega129... are you saying that you are only fairly sure that obama has never met hitler or fairly sure that this pamphlet itself does not exist. Because if you are only fairly sure that Obama has never met hitler, then you need to find your missing brain cells.

    And if this is real, the person that made it is even more of an idiot. This is why I hate people.

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    lizbian_2 Female 18-29
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    August 9, 2009 at 4:26 pm
    Ok, so people think that the health care plan would raise all kinds of taxes... for one, raising taxes is the only way this country will EVER be able to pay off it`s massive dept! And for two, it won`t be that bad. Even if taxes are raised for the purpose of health care, isn`t it worth is... so that everyone can visit their doctor or simply go in to get a simple clean-up from their dentist.

    Oh, and to the people that say... doctors won`t care anymore because they won`t get paid as much.
    Canada has universal health care and you don`t hear their doctors complaining! if our doctors complain or don`t give people fair treatment it is because they are greedy and should not be doctors.

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    aahhdude Female 18-29
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    August 9, 2009 at 6:37 pm
    That`s just drated up
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    xGRiMx Male 13-17
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    August 9, 2009 at 8:46 pm
    this looks shopped. i can tell from some of the pixels and from seeing quite a few shops in my time.
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    mrwnt Male 18-29
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    August 9, 2009 at 11:09 pm
    lizbian: Everyone CAN go visit their doctor today and get quality health care, they just have to pay for it. Or they can get seen by the same doctors with medicaid. We don`t need to let the government take over health care to allow to do what we already can.

    Doctor`s are greedy if they complain about the government forcing them to accept lower and lower rates?! I really hope you`re kidding. Doctors are in business and public service, not JUST public service. They need to make money just like everyone else. How about you go to school for 12 years and incur massive debt and then work for a pittance as you are suggesting? Anything else and you would be "greedy."

    Good god you have no clue. I know doctors in Canada and they are suffering. Their salaries have taken steep dives. But of what concern is that to you? They`re just there to serve you right?

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    mrwnt Male 18-29
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    August 9, 2009 at 11:12 pm
    If this health care plan passes, yes, everyone will be able to go in to see their dentist for a checkup. After sitting on a waiting list for months. And when they finally see the dentist, if a disease is discovered the dentist will be restricted to using treatments approved as cost-effective by the federal government, whether or not there are more effect more expensive treatments out there.

    I do not want government bureaucrats making decisions for me instead of my doctor when it comes to my treatment options. I don`t trust the government with my life.

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    bikenutt Male 30-39
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    August 9, 2009 at 11:56 pm
    I find it most amusing that people think they know exactly what will happen if certain measures pass or don`t. Face it.. NO ONE can predict the future..get over it.
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    mrwnt Male 18-29
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    August 10, 2009 at 12:01 am
    Yep that`s right bikenut, we should just let men in suits in Washington pass whatever bills they want regarding our daily life because we really can`t predict the future.

    Except for how bills spell out in words exactly what will happen. And analysts and economists tell those of us who don`t see it ourselves what those bills will mean for us.

    The democratic plan will create a public "option" for health insurance. Because it is bankrolled by the government, it will be able to set premiums lower than any private company can. Millions of employers will naturally switch to the gov plan as it is cheaper. Soon private insurance will be forced out of business. Everyone will be in the gov plan. And then the gov has a monopoly and will bully health care providers into using only the drugs and treatments they deem cost-effective. Care is rationed and quality decreases. Americans lose any choice in health care.

    That`s what`ll happen

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    hi2pi Male 30-39
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    August 10, 2009 at 12:01 am
    all you yanks have no idea what options are out there. stop listening to the lies and do your own research.
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    Fizzlez Male 18-29
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    August 10, 2009 at 12:17 am
    "I know doctors in Canada and they are suffering. Their salaries have taken steep dives. But of what concern is that to you?"

    The only reason Doctors in Canada think they are suffering is because they know they can go to the states and make a fortune. They are hardly underpaid up here.

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    AnwarNova Male 18-29
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    August 10, 2009 at 1:05 am
    The simple fact is, we don`t have money to pay for this.

    The United States has an aggregate debt of 53 trillion dollars. That means if Americans were to try and pay their debt off TOMORROW each person would have to pay something like $100,000 and each household would have to pay $400,000.
    By 2020 we will barely have enough money to pay for medicare right NOW let alone social security and the federal bills ...Not to even mention this new health care plan.

    The simple fact is we can`t afford it. I`d like it, hell I have serious health issues that I can`t afford (insurance companies have shelled out millions of dollars for all my procedures/surgeries and treatments. I`m not bragging.) But free healthcare in America isn`t feasible. Even if we took all the money from all the rich people away...we wouldn`t have enough to pay for our current bills let alone pay for a program like what is being suggested.

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    seankerr001 Male 18-29
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    August 10, 2009 at 1:46 am
    I saw the OUCHE in the bottom left hand corner and assumed the letter D is being covered by the hand.
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    AnwarNova Male 18-29
    2076 posts
    August 10, 2009 at 2:26 am
    @Lizbian

    "if our doctors complain or don`t give people fair treatment it is because they are greedy and should not be doctors."

    Wow. What`s your job involve? Do you save lives and tangibly help reduce physical/emotional pain and suffering? Do you work towards curing cancer, influenza or AIDS? You`re willingness to portray doctors as bastardly ungrateful servants to society is , disturbingly disgusting at worst and disheartening at best. That is exactly the kind of attitude that inflames opinions AGAINST universal healthcare.

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    Gluggr Male 18-29
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    August 10, 2009 at 2:47 am
    It`s great to see what passes as acceptable in politics in the USA. I mean, try that in Europe and you`re politicly very much dead.
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    AnwarNova Male 18-29
    2076 posts
    August 10, 2009 at 3:08 am
    "I mean, try that in Europe and you`re politicly very much dead."

    Thank you Europe for providing us with the worst example of human beings, ie Hitler, to forever compare ones enemies too.

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    xastor Male 18-29
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    August 10, 2009 at 7:26 am
    @anwarnova
    you are full of poo, you don`t know anything about Europe ...
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    Fehz Male 30-39
    580 posts
    August 10, 2009 at 7:45 am
    Something tells me the health care industry is funding this one..
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    bikenutt Male 30-39
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    August 10, 2009 at 1:32 pm
    mrwnt
    You seem like a smart fellow
    Have you ever enjoyed health care from another country?..probably not right. I was born in England and the health care there is very good. You are covered for life no matter what. Right now I have no insurance as a result of job loss. you are probably on your parents plan at the moment. Those who have solid insurance are not in the same boat and need to step back and be more open-minded. I bet you don`t even Know who privatized our health care in the states and got the ball rolling for the insurance co. Show a little more restraint when you comment. To me you just sound like you are fomenting.
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    samidoll Female 18-29
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    August 10, 2009 at 5:47 pm
    haha. looks like her hand`s blocking out the word "douche"
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    rockcabbage Male 18-29
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    August 10, 2009 at 7:39 pm
    lul, i love how hitler looks so horney and obamas all like "Oh yeaaa"
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    StephD87 Female 18-29
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    August 10, 2009 at 9:33 pm
    That`s what I was thinking samidoll.
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    mrwnt Male 18-29
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    August 10, 2009 at 10:32 pm
    madest how can you possibly know that? I agree with Obama on some issues, but for the most part we disagree. I agree with him on Afghanistan for example. And I definitely wasn`t for everything Bush did. I`m not a blind follower. I just have conservative principles that guide my opinions, and Obama does not base his policies on the same principles. So we disagree for the most part.

    But I still evaluate every position of his with an open mind. Please don`t try to discredit me like that.

    Bikenutt: Hasn`t health care in America always been privatized?

    The point is that this health care plan will lead to a majority of Americans being shunted into the government plan, which will eventually become the only plan when private insurance goes out of business. Then the government will be in complete control of our health care.

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    iab-danijo Female 13-17
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    August 11, 2009 at 8:03 am
    I live in Wales, (a little country in Britain for those who haven`t heard of it) and I wouldn`t say the healthcare plan is brilliant but it means that people are treated pretty much equally, their not divided into class or salary. You walk into any surgery in Wales and you will see old people, young people, middle aged people, lawyers, shop assistants and unemployed people. We all have an equal opportunity to try and be as healthy as we can because of the NHS.

    But I must say, doctors in general aren`t as good as they used to be, community wise. They are often impolite and inconsiderate, and unfortunatly, lazy. I`m not by any means saying this is how all doctors are, but from what I, and others have observed, NHS doctors seem to care more about their salary than they do about their patients.

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    Pindragon Male 18-29
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    August 11, 2009 at 8:30 am
    Look at the bottom, it is one letter away from "Douche".
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    GRadde Male 18-29
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    August 11, 2009 at 11:04 am
    Pindragon beat me to it.
    "Hey, it`s ok, it`s by Douche!" But anyhoo... BARRY? I understand how you`d connect the game, but Barry... Sounds... not right imo. Barry Obama. ^^
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    bikenutt Male 30-39
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    August 11, 2009 at 12:26 pm
    mrwnt
    No, health care was not always privatized, at least not to the extent that is is now. In the sixties a Nixon administration official who was involved in lobbying for the drug and insurance co. brought to attention the fact that A LOT of money could be made if insurance Co. were made the official go-between for patient to doctor care. So, one of the most disgraced presidents in history is mostly to blame for this mess...big surprise huh. We have some of the best tech. in the world to help people be healthier except for the fact that over fifty-million Americans have little, if no access to it. I consider this a problem. So did the lady who died in the waiting room as security watched, so did the lady who lost her husband, while she was fully insured and worked at a hospital. Her health plan just did not want to pay the bill, so they "decided" to not cover him and let him die. My advice is to do some research and travel a bit, see how other countries run things.
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    moonperyie Female 18-29
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    August 11, 2009 at 6:39 pm
    Mrwnt, you`re not even old enough to vote yet. And although you are allowed to have an opinion like everyone, you haven`t lived on your own yet. You don`t know what its like to be between jobs, pay rent(or mortgage), support a family, etc.

    If your umbilical cord ever gets cut I`m sure you`ll understand why a public option is so important.

    If the public option (which btw rewards doctors by the health improvement of their patients and not by the amount of money they save the insurance companies) turns out to be not so good then people with your means will stick with their private options, which will be cheaper anyways and will not cease to exist as long as people(like you) demand it. A public option is NOT a big deal, many first world countries have it.

    I get the feeling that you want Americans who are in between jobs to go untreated and die out there on the streets. How do you sleep at night?

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    LandoGriffin Male 30-39
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    August 11, 2009 at 8:05 pm
    What is this "someone" nonsense, it is Lyndon LaRouche, he is very famous. He is a former (or perhaps current) KKK leader who runs for every political office and doesn`t get any votes except from KKK guys. His entire platform is racial segregation.
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    bikenutt Male 30-39
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    August 11, 2009 at 9:05 pm
    Moonpeyrie
    I agree completely. I have had health emergencies in at least four different countries in the past and even the health care in Mexico (fell off a three story building as a kid) was more organized. mrwnt: If you want to argue a point don`t bring a lot of assumption and conjecture to the table. Sorry kid, but life experience will trump that every time.
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    mrwnt Male 18-29
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    August 13, 2009 at 7:40 am
    Moonpervie: The public option will certainly be cheaper than private plans. The public plan will be bankrolled by the entire US government, meaning it doesn`t have to obey the normal laws of economics. It can survive years of deficits by simply adding to the federal debt.

    Employers WILL switch overwhelmingly to the public plan because it will be CHEAPER. It`s common sense. Then nearly everyone will be under the control of the government.

    Americans do not die on the streets today if they get themselves to an emergency room. Hospitals are required to treat everyone with an emergency, regardless of ability to pay.

    87% of Americans are satisfied with their health care. Why should we jeopardize theirs to provide health insurance to the meager 5% of the population that doesn`t have insurance?

    Bikenutt: That`s not "assumption and conjecture." That`s economics and the content of the proposed bills in Congress. And your life exp = anectodes. Anectodes are nice stories but pro

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    felena Female 13-17
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    August 13, 2009 at 4:47 pm
    >.> I love big debates. But I have to say I lol`d, because in the lower left corner, it says "-ouche action committee"
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    bikenutt Male 30-39
    383 posts
    August 16, 2009 at 2:01 am
    mrwnt
    Still trying?...I admire your persistence but perhaps you should save the righteous indignation for us old farts. Try losing a friend or relative to our flawed and antiquated medical system. Wait in the hallway on a gurney for ten hrs with a compound fracture caused by a drunk guy on ski`s because you were young w/ no insurance....you have no idea. I am through discussing this. You have obviously led a sheltered life....naive one might say.
    When you have lived it and not just talked about it...come back. be warned, it gets much more complex....and a lot weirder. Good luck with that attitude.
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    mrwnt Male 18-29
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    August 16, 2009 at 4:31 pm
    Bikenutt: No one said our system is perfect. No system is. But US healthcare is the best in the world, if you can pay for it. And even if you can`t you still receive a pretty damn good level of care relative to the rest of the world.

    What is your solution? You are so outraged by the current situation. What you do propose? European-like high taxes so we can all have a utopian type of health care?

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    unintrasting Female 18-29
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    August 18, 2009 at 1:18 pm
    Is this a site to debate?
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    Epiccookies Female 13-17
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    August 19, 2009 at 3:41 pm
    Lol the boy in the middle behind Hitler and Obama looks like someone I know.
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    moonperyie Female 18-29
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    August 19, 2009 at 10:58 pm
    *Sigh* Give it up Mrwnt and get your facts straight.

    20% of Americans don`t have health insurance. 80% is a number that opponents use to bolster their position against HC. Actually, 3/4th of Americans are unhappy with the costs of HC. So that figure is wrong.

    Most of that 80% did not use their health care for anything serious or life threatening this year. A better survey would have been one asking people who ARE CHECKING OUT of hospitals and doctor`s offices.

    Its so WORTH IT to risk the current system for those 5% and even more so for the actual 20% something and rising.

    This country is CACA compared to other European countries, so mentioning them doesn`t help your argument.

    People die waiting in ER`s. Thinking that they get good HC despite not being insured is just naive, wishful thinking. Please try to keep an open mind kid, you might not find a full time job straight out of college. What happens then?

    This was fun. :D

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    MrGrowley Female 13-17
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    September 4, 2009 at 2:05 pm
    I have a qyestion for all the debators (but I`m not going to lie, mostly twards the anti-health care people.)

    How can you be against it (or for it), if you don`t even know what`s on the bill?

    But I`m still for universal health care (not saying that it`s going to be, but I think it would be nice if it was). And how can you not? I really don`t get why people are against it! Sure, I`m not as old as most of you, but I still care and have an opinion.

    Oh, and the media (Fox News, CNN, ect.) all suck. They only report crap news. :)

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    Jammey Male 18-29
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    September 27, 2009 at 11:13 am
    Look at that word that his hand covers at the bottom left...

    Intriguing...

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    LifeRocker Male 13-17
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    October 7, 2009 at 9:34 am
    I really suspect that the word at the bottom left is "douche"
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    PopsySoku Female 18-29
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    February 17, 2010 at 2:30 pm
    DOUCHE!
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