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89 Responses to Last Summer Vacation Photo Before We Go Home [Pic]

  1. Profile photo of fancylad
    fancylad Male 30-39
    18831 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 7:43 am
    Link: Last Summer Vacation Photo Before We Go Home - `Hey c`mon, Lauren--smile this time.`
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    murrymalty Female 18-29
    2673 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 7:46 am
    let the flamewar begin
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    BullshtBob Male 30-39
    228 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 7:49 am
    HA-HA
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    gongxi Female 18-29
    118 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 7:50 am
    I am such a bad person for cracking up at that caption
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    Geogypsy Female 18-29
    2546 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 7:55 am
    "Now everyone remember where you`re standing or we`re gonna have a tough time figuring out who`s who."

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    bloostarfish Female 18-29
    326 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 7:59 am
    they can`t conceal their summer happiness.

    :| sorry. I just had to say that.

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    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
    2314 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 8:02 am
    They probably got some awesome tans.
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    nonamewillfi Male 13-17
    1404 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 8:06 am
    haha
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    MrFibbles Male 18-29
    311 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 8:11 am
    why you so racist fancy
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    panth753 Female 18-29
    9237 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 8:16 am
    Rasist, but I still lol`d.
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    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 8:47 am
    "Smile!"
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 8:47 am
    WOW look at the T&A(toes and ankles)!!!!
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    Baelzar Male 40-49
    1399 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 8:55 am
    2nd one from the right? HAWT.
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    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    August 31, 2009 at 9:00 am
    Too the ppl crying racist(mrfibbles etc.)
    Please explain how this is racist.

    And on topic, they are all hot !!!

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    mscookie Female 18-29
    19 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 9:06 am
    haha maybe they should have name tags on to know whos who...
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    manorrd Male 30-39
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    August 31, 2009 at 9:35 am
    Funny caption!

    ...and what is `racist` about this?

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    StudentOfMan Male 40-49
    346 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 9:35 am
    Hate it when the hot chicks bring their ugly friend! She`s always junk blocking. Man I have found memories of Spring Break 1989 in Qatar. Yeah, good times. I don`t remember this wet t-shirt contest tho...
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    FFFUUUUUUU Male 18-29
    8 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 9:41 am
    Someone please explain to me what`s so racist about a couple of ladies wearing Burqa(s?)?
  19. Profile photo of Shtiv
    Shtiv Male 18-29
    91 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 9:52 am
    Burkha`s suck. There I said it. If I liked them I`d have my girlfriend wear them. But I don`t. It`s not a slur on Islam, I think Burkha`s are sexist and build barriers between Islam and the rest of the world.

    If catholics wore Burkha`s, that would suck. If Jews wore Burkha`s, that would suck. Yes, some Muslims wear Burkha`s but guess what? It doesn`t matter what religion is an advocate of them, Burkha`s still SUCK.

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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
    13631 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 9:54 am
    Nothing racist here, please move along
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    wcclark Male 18-29
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    August 31, 2009 at 10:22 am
    This isn`t racist, it`s sexist.

    I am on the same page with Shtiv, I have not nor will I ever condone the use of Burkhas.

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    aahhdude Female 18-29
    110 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 10:35 am
    Burkha`s..there`s no point to them...
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    GlooStikk Male 18-29
    1297 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 11:14 am
    this is like something i would expect to see on family guy
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    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
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    August 31, 2009 at 11:26 am
    Let`s see, according to dictionary.reference.com, racism means...

    "1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one`s own race is superior and has the right to rule others."

    Don`t see that here.

    "2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination."
    Don`t see that here either.

    "3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races."
    Nope, not here.

    It`s not racist, stop being so PC people.

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    lukas1051 Male 18-29
    3426 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 11:30 am
    At least you don`t have to worry about a goofy smile.
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    MrFibbles Male 18-29
    311 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 11:50 am
    lol at all the people getting all hot over one comment saying racist. I mean. common.
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    habbazoot
    2116 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 11:54 am
    HEY GUYZ I DONT SEE THE RACISM HERE GUYZ EXPLAIN HOW ITZ RACIST I MEAN EVERYONEZ ZAYING ITZ RACIST
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    kappamu Female 18-29
    157 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 12:23 pm
    "this is like something i would expect to see on family guy"

    That made my day for some reason... :D

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    mehh Female 18-29
    528 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 12:32 pm
    murrymalty: Predicted correctly. Be ye a prophet?
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    Frogtango Male 13-17
    1720 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 12:40 pm
    The five contestants for hottest woman in iran competition.
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    CreweAlex Male 18-29
    76 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 12:58 pm
    The one in the middle blinked at the wrong time.
  32. Profile photo of Glendower
    Glendower Male 18-29
    336 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 1:59 pm
    Religion=/=race.

    You can`t be racist by mocking a religion. You may be xenophobic, but not racist.

    Stop calling everyone a racist. Your devaluing the word.

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    Lelouch Male 18-29
    35 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 2:03 pm
    I`d bang the middle one. anyone else?
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    Lolcats Male 18-29
    369 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 2:22 pm
    lelouch we should rape her
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    StarDagger Male 40-49
    1190 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 2:46 pm
    Pretty stupid to take a picture where you cant see your subjects!!!!
  36. Profile photo of HarryBalszak
    HarryBalszak Male 40-49
    1590 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 3:13 pm
    "Pretty stupid to take a picture where you cant see your subjects!!!!"

    They even try to get their driver license photos taken like that.

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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 4:33 pm
    "Burkha`s..there`s no point to them..."

    Yes, there is. They depersonalise the wearers, which makes them easier to ignore as people. Because they aren`t people, they`re just burkha filling. Could be anything in there and it doesn`t matter.

    It`s a very ugly point, but it is a point.

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    Shellie84 Female 18-29
    4197 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 6:40 pm
    "They even try to get their driver license photos taken like that."

    I`m pretty sure a lady in south australia was granted to do that for her drivers license. thats just not right to me

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    proof1221 Male 18-29
    690 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 6:56 pm
    wow, itd be funnier if this was in jersey, or in front of the white house
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    seabass101dg Male 18-29
    478 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 7:12 pm
    left to right: 6,2,7,1,5
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    Overmann Male 18-29
    2600 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 8:07 pm
    Haha, this one actually made me laugh.
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    goaliejerry Male 30-39
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    August 31, 2009 at 8:38 pm
    "Burkha`s..there`s no point to them..."

    Well, liberal critics (I`m talking liberal as in liberal political philosophy, of which American "Conservatism" is a part, which may crudely be described as "western," or in other words respectful of individual rights) might add that it is symptomatic of a chauvinistic theocratic society to address male sexual aggression, NOT by educating or punishing males, but rather making ALL women cover up.

    See? If women weren`t so attractive, men wouldn`t rape them all the time. Its THEIR fault, so they NEED to stay hidden.

    There is an interesting argument that Islamic polygamy leads to terrorism, since most women can find a wealthy man and join his group of wives. (And they DO - they can live a rich life). This leaves a huge population of poor, uneducated males, who have no chance of getting SEX, because casual sex is a CRIME. Thus, 70 virgins seems quite appealing to NO SEX or MASTURBATION.

    God Bless America.

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    Hylian4Hire Female 18-29
    329 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 8:46 pm
    I dunno, guys. There`s just something about a culture that insists the women dress like ninjas that makes me NOT want to mess with them.
  44. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 9:05 pm
    goaliejerry: The stated reason is based on the idea that even thinking about sex outside marriage is forbidden in Islam, not on sexual violence. A burkha does nothing to stop that - it`s not armour. If anything, it makes it worse by further cutting women off from mainstream society.
  45. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 9:40 pm
    Not pictured: Bhurkas.

    If you think they are Bhurkas, maybe your knowledge of the culture you`re talking about is low enough that your comments aren`t really worthwhile?

    Goalie: As I said before, in 6 years of Islamic education, the first time I heard of the 70 virgins was on debate forums from Americans. There is a reason for that, you`ve latched on to some obscure verse and are pretending you know something about Islamic cutlure. It isn`t the case.

    Furthermore: Anyone able to tell me the dress code for men? Anyone actually know there was one?

    Anyone know the origins of the coverings? Noble women trying to demonstrate they were more religious than their neighbours, not angry men in a secret bid to depersonalize them.

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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 9:49 pm
    (P.S. The dress code for men covers about half their bodies. Knees to navel. The women have double that.

    Which is pretty much the same ratio as western decency laws, just stricter overall. It isn`t to prevent male rape, it isn`t to dehumanize men, it isn`t to make them Kandoora fillers.

    Additionally, whilst I normally think Saudi sucks (Seriously for all you Americans in the Audience, please stop allying with them on every front even though they are in every metric worse than Iran. Women in Iran can vote, not Saudi, women in Iran can drive, not Saudi. The list is endless. Also why do your newspapers call them "one of the more moderate Islamic states"? Nobody who knows them thinks that.)

    But I digress: More than burqa stuffing.

  47. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 9:53 pm
    And just remembered: Ok, Women in Saudi were allowed to drive for the first time a few months back. Still.
  48. Profile photo of apermal
    apermal Male 18-29
    322 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 10:48 pm
    Baalthazaq, that law was only on paper. My cousins in Saudi were turned away when they went to apply for licenses. The reason: only men are allowed to drive. When they showed them the newspaper article with the decree, the licenser said `then go get your license from the newspaper`.

    Also, I agree, these are not Burqas. Who said they were?

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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 11:54 pm
    "Not pictured: Bhurkas.

    If you think they are Bhurkas, maybe your knowledge of the culture you`re talking about is low enough that your comments aren`t really worthwhile?"

    Strange that Islamic sources such as Islam Online, as well as secular sources, would count those as burkhas.

    "Furthermore: Anyone able to tell me the dress code for men? Anyone actually know there was one?"

    Essentially, modest dress. Which is also essentially the dress code for women. The dress code for both sexes varies from place to place, probably because it isn`t actually defined in Islam.

    "Anyone know the origins of the coverings? Noble women trying to demonstrate they were more religious than their neighbours, not angry men in a secret bid to depersonalize them."

    The origin is of historical interest to scholars. The result is of practical interest to everyone, and the result is depersonalisation and isolation. Which I think is the purpose of the garments.

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    Wazpoppin9 Male 18-29
    71 posts
    August 31, 2009 at 11:59 pm
    "Burkha`s suck. There I said it. If I liked them I`d have my girlfriend wear them. But I don`t. It`s not a slur on Islam, I think Burkha`s are sexist and build barriers between Islam and the rest of the world."

    I agree.

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    craigmurph Male 18-29
    20 posts
    September 1, 2009 at 12:11 am
    all i can say is duga duga teenage mutant ninja indians lol
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    Dead_Poet Male 18-29
    14 posts
    September 1, 2009 at 1:20 am
    >all i can say is duga duga teenage mutant ninja indians lol

    *clap clap clap clap...

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    -NeonCarrot- Male 13-17
    1496 posts
    September 1, 2009 at 2:06 am
    Hah, they dress different then us.
    F*ck, why was this posted.
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    xavroche Male 30-39
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    September 1, 2009 at 4:41 am
    It`s pretty sad that this got posted....

    Why you racist IAB?

  55. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    September 1, 2009 at 4:45 am
    "Strange that Islamic sources such as Islam Online, as well as secular sources, would count those as burkhas."

    It`s strange that many unnamed English-speaking secular sources would be wrong on foreign terminology of a religious topic?

    You`re, at the very least in the case of Islam Online, wrong, a quick search will pull up that they use the proper word Niqab, and differentiate between the two in at least most of their articles.

    Their question and answer section on the ban in France also deals briefly with the unfortunate confusions in Media between the Hijab, Niqab and the Afghan Burqa.

    Also, to your conclusion: You`re right, we`re comic book villains and we`re trying to take over the world. Damnit, might as well give up the ruse.

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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    September 1, 2009 at 4:56 am
    I also find it quite funny that you seem to think.
    A) Our society is ruled by men.
    B) The covering is enforced by men.
    C) B is a sign of A.

    Surely, a society in which men chose what women wear would look like this:

    Not this:

    Though maybe a compromise could be reached?

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    geekenstein Male 18-29
    12 posts
    September 1, 2009 at 5:15 am
    Wow. This is a sad new turn for I-A-B.
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    Zieveraar Male 30-39
    415 posts
    September 1, 2009 at 8:23 am
    Why is this a `sad` turn for IAB? It`s a funny idea of taking a picture of a group of persons that are basically unrecognisable anyway, so what`s the problem?

    And as for burqa`s, after Afghanistan, their version of the burqa combined with the niqab is the only one that will come to mind when the term is used.

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    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    September 1, 2009 at 10:05 am
    Baalthazaq, Are you really trying to con everyone into thinking muslim women dress like that because they want to?
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    BunnyNaku Female 18-29
    5224 posts
    September 1, 2009 at 10:45 am
    :P
  61. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    September 1, 2009 at 11:58 am
    Madest: Are you seriously suggesting women wear miniskirts in -5 degree weather because they want to? How about high heels? Breast implants? Botox?

    It`s cultural advertising ad best, social conditioning at worst.

    The thing you clearly don`t get is that those factors play into it, and that your concept of what people want won`t necessarily be the same to people who haven`t had your upbringing.

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    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    September 1, 2009 at 12:06 pm
    Baalthazaq, Don`t answer a question with a question. What does a breast implant have to do with a burqua? Look man clearly you are incapable of defending this outrageous garb that is forced upon second class people (aka: women).
  63. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    September 1, 2009 at 5:06 pm
    "Also, to your conclusion: You`re right, we`re comic book villains and we`re trying to take over the world. Damnit, might as well give up the ruse."

    Nothing comic book about it. For example, torture is required in Islam. You`re not allowed to object, because it`s very clear in the Qu`ran. You may not like it personally, but you can`t object and you wouldn`t be in charge. The people in charge of a theocracy are usually the people who most want power and they`re rarely nice. When you have an entire religion built on obedience, it`s a godsend for tyrants.

    Also, there is nothing hidden about the goal. Many religions incorporate wanting to take over ("convert") the world and Islam is one of them.

    Incidentally, niqab refers specifically to a face covering and describing the complete clothing pictured as a burkha is commonplace, including from Muslims:

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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    September 1, 2009 at 5:07 pm
    Last post cut off:

    http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satel...

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    boredfjord Male 13-17
    928 posts
    September 1, 2009 at 10:24 pm
    "Why you racist IAB?"

    "Radical Muslim" is not a race. Any society that coerces women into wearing these preposterous garbs deserves to be laughed at.

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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    September 2, 2009 at 1:09 am
    I shouldn`t be surprised you cannot see the connection Madest.

    Angilion, your post only demonstrates my point... Islam Online does not refer to the Niqab as a Burka. They use the word Burka to refer to a Burka, and even in the picture refer to it as a head to toe covering, and differentiate between the Burka wore by the lady in the article, and the Hijab ruling in schools earlier.

    Additionally: Common ignorance is not knowledge. It doesn`t matter if 4Chan doesn`t know what a Burka is.

    Also, torture is not required. I do object. I know my religion, I know it better than you do. Your conclusions, as they have always been, are not logical conclusions from argument. They are your starting points, your prejudices, and you will never, despite evidence presented, diverge from them.

    If you want us to be comic book villains, fair enough, but don`t pretend to be doing so from some enlightened standpoint.

  • Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    September 2, 2009 at 1:19 am
    Lets make this a little clearer.

    If I told you, you had nice pants. It doesn`t matter that you call them trousers. You would still get the concept. If I called them Lederhosen , it`s just wrong.

    "It`s kinda like what you westerners wear though" is ignorant, but an honest mistake.

    "THEY`RE LEDERHOSEN! Lots of my friends call them lederhosen! I MUST WIN THIS!" is just willful deliberate forced ignorance. It`s vomit worthy. It`s what you`re doing.

    The Burqa is a very specific cultural dress. It is not what 99.7% of Muslim women wear.
    Only 10% wear any Niqab at all.
    30% wear full Abaya.

    60% wear the Hijab, Sheilah or other replacement.

    I know this. You do not. How about just admitting your mistake instead of fighting the lederhosen battle like an idiot?

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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    September 2, 2009 at 1:26 am
    Not that I think this will impact Agillion who is knower of all despite evidence to the contrary, but here is a fairly good list of different Islamic veils:

    http://www.apologeticsindex.org/505-musl...

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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    September 2, 2009 at 1:29 am
    And madest,
    1) Why would I answer a loaded question?
    2) Why haven`t you answered my (unloaded) question?
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    airf50 Male 18-29
    44 posts
    September 2, 2009 at 2:53 am
    who decided to post this here??

    im not religious, but i dont find this funny.

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    User Male 13-17
    5 posts
    September 2, 2009 at 3:30 am
    meh
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    September 2, 2009 at 4:57 am
    "Also, torture is not required. I do object. I know my religion, I know it better than you do."

    It is required, even the precise type and quantity is specified. Try Sura 24:2, for example.

    Would you like to see videos of examples? This is not something made up. It is Islam. It`s right there in the Quran, so you`re on very dodgy ground objecting to it. But congratulations anyway - you`re the first Muslim I`ve encountered who has objected to it and I`ve been looking for a couple of years know, ever since a Muslim opened my eyes to the reality behind the pretty facade.

    The only thing I`m not sure on is what happens if the victims dies during the flogging - is that enough or is the corpse flogged to get to the mandatory 100 strokes?

    Also, bear in mind that is the *lesser* penalty. Stoning to death is favoured by some Muslims, but the Islamic basis for that is much less clear.

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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    September 2, 2009 at 5:16 am
    "Not that I think this will impact Agillion who is knower of all despite evidence to the contrary, but here is a fairly good list of different Islamic veils:

    http://www.apologeticsindex.org/505-musl...
    "

    Excellent.

    Now look at the photo and look at the images you have decided are accurate (above, the link you gave).

    And the closest match in terms of coverage is?

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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    September 2, 2009 at 5:17 am
    "Are you seriously suggesting women wear miniskirts in -5 degree weather because they want to? How about high heels? Breast implants? Botox?"

    None of those are *required*. A woman in this country doesn`t have to worry about being jailed, beaten or whipped if she doesn`t conform to the things you refer to. She doesn`t even have to worry about being ostracised, or even about people disapproving of her for not dressing that way, having botox and breast implants.

    Does that make sense to anyone? Does anyone know any woman who has been criticised at all, let alone jailed or beaten, for not wearing a miniskirt in all weathers, not always wearing high heals, not having breast implants and/or not having botox?

    So it isn`t the same at all. You`re grasping comically at straws.

  • Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    September 2, 2009 at 6:10 am
    Sigh, Angillion, it`s not about coverage any more than the shorts/lederhosen example.

    Either way the coverage matches Niqab most closely. It is a Niqab. That`s what it is. That is the definition. Does it cover the eyes with a METAL GRATE? No? Not a Burqa. Never will be a Burqa, please read the respondents who answered me with "Of course it`s not a burqa".

    drat, it even has descriptions with the pictures:
    "The niqab is a veil for the face that leaves the area around the eyes clear." Say what you see.

    The Burqa: "covers the entire face and body, leaving just a mesh screen to see through".

    How about just trusting the middle easterner on middle eastern terms?

    You are clearly incompetent at even basic visual recognition when it comes to your prejudices. It`s astounding. Seriously, just read the text and look at the picture.

    It. Isn`t. A. Burqa. You lose x1000.

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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    September 2, 2009 at 6:15 am
    "It isn`t the same at all"

    It is exactly the same. My sister wears the veil voluntarily and has no problems. My other sister wears the veil not at all and has no problems.

    I`m not condoning forcing anyone to do anything.

    The veil is therefore comparable to stupid fashions worldwide, which are socially enforced. Your insertion of extra criteria which you have a problem with is a separate issue. You are combining the two and then trying to defeat the veil on it`s own.

    Considering most veiling debates of recent note are the banning of the garment in France and Holland, I`d say if anything, NOT wearing the veil is a sign of oppression. Not vice versa in those countries.

    But hey, beat the everliving poo out of that point, go nuts. Coercion is bad. Hell, even pretend I disagree. Just don`t pretend you`ve touched upon the issue of veiling yet.

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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    September 2, 2009 at 7:07 am
    On the issue of Stoning; Even wikipedia says "Stoning is found nowhere in the Quran", yet you`re happy to insinuate this is a Islamic practice rather than a cultural one.

    Additionally:
    1) All punishments in the Quran are the maximum allowable, not the minimum as you seem to suggest. The Quran also suggests imprisonment for adulterers, and furthermore suggests that all punishments can be waved by the victim of any crime, or the family of the victim. Thus negating entirely your claims of "requirement", but the drama was spectacular.

    2) Given the choice of a federal prison, for oh, say 5 years, and flogging, which would you choose?

    Your deterrent for crime is not lack of freedom, it is the threat of constant rape and violence in an enclosed space with other criminals.

    Would you like to see some pictures of "home made" prison weapons? I assure you they`re more severe than the flogging.

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    phillychick Female 30-39
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    September 2, 2009 at 12:28 pm
    Why the hell do they bother taking pictures???? LOL.....idiots.
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    Shtiv Male 18-29
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    September 2, 2009 at 1:02 pm
    Baalthazaq

    I have read both of your arguments and you are genuinely clutching at straws.

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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    September 2, 2009 at 3:18 pm
    I count about 10 arguments, which are "both"?
    1) They are not Burqas. Islam Online agrees.
    2) It is not universally enforced, nor should it be, nor was I arguing for such.
    3) Saudi has pooty laws which is what you get when you let criminals out early if they agree to be your religious police.
    4) Even Agillion knows the specifics of the dress code are not outlined in the Quran.
    5) If something is not mandatory, it isn`t a requirement.
    6) You have no experience with Muslim women. I have. for the most part it is women who coerce other women into wearing the veil, if there is any coercion at all.
    7) This is the case in the majority of Muslim countries, with notable exceptions being: Saudi, Iran, Sudan, Afghanistan.
    8) Take the excerpt from Indonesia for example: In daily practice, the jilbab is more of a fashion accessory and status symbol for fashionable women to wear their latest haute couture, expensive branded scarves.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    September 2, 2009 at 3:24 pm
    Sorry, the Indonesian example comes from Wikipedia, here. My experience, around the world, has been equatable to the Indonesian description, not the fanciful tales of Angillion.

    You`ll notice most countries, even in the mid east, the discussion is around the headscarf ban, not the headscarf enforcement.

    the idea that it is "obviously forced" because no-one would want to wear it voluntarily, is only viable as an argument for social coercion, which then applies to (as I said) high heels, corsets, and many other impractical things people do for fashion.

    You`re seriously saying women wouldn`t wear a particular type of hat if it was fashionable because it was silly?

    Well I guess I can`t argue with that...

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    Angelmassb Male 18-29
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    September 2, 2009 at 7:37 pm
    You can still see their eyes
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    Binary101 Male 13-17
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    September 3, 2009 at 12:47 pm
    what`s wrong with them wearing a hajab?
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    xattributex Male 18-29
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    September 3, 2009 at 5:45 pm
    "Baalthazaq, Are you really trying to con everyone into thinking muslim women dress like that because they want to?"

    Thats an ignorant question... don`t get culture and religion mixed up...
    And if you do think its all Mulsim women, go to your local mosque and ask them for yourself, rather then making an assumption to people who aren`t educated on their subject. I`ve never, EVER, met any female Muslim who has felt forced to wear anything they didn`t want to.

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    n00buler89 Male 13-17
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    September 4, 2009 at 10:23 am
    I don`t see anything funny about this picture.
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    magoo22 Male 30-39
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    September 5, 2009 at 10:23 pm
    Ha Ha!...Funny photo!....the guys in the baackground are wearing matching red tee`s. LOL
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    magoo22 Male 30-39
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    September 5, 2009 at 10:25 pm
    This is a funny photo because the guys in the background are wearing matching red tee`s.
    They probably say "I`m with stoopid"..LOL
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    michael24895 Male 13-17
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    September 12, 2009 at 3:41 am
    NINJAS!!!
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    BrittLizee Female 18-29
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    October 28, 2009 at 8:32 pm
    It is part of their religion and culture but because they grew up with it, why should it bother them...
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