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Â£50000000 (Â£50million a year) thats like $75000000
Who brings in more revenue for his company? The Doctor or the Athlete?
Quit drating venerating doctors, they do what they do for profit too."well....it seems that you may have cancer...but we aren`t sure (we actually know you have it), come back in 2 weeks (I have a vacation to europe), and we will get further test done (see how to raise your premiums on your health insurance).
"it pays more to throw a little ball around, than to save lives... :/
somebody give me a baseball, i want some money!!"
work out everyday of your life since you are 10 for 6 hours a day and then you MIGHT have a shot (albeit a slim one)
Both doctors and athletes have to do years of intensive training, but doctors have to pay for all those years of college tuition, whereas athletes (usually) get it free. Doctors fulfill a need in society, whereas athletes fulfill a want.
Prime does have a point though, that most doctors nowadays are in the business for the money and not the lulz. Though, who can say athletes are any different, really...?
An Athlete brings in more revenue than a doctor does....a few doctors are hired FOR athletes.
and once again...doctors arent drating charity either, they don`t save lifes, they charge an arm and a leg to keep them running for a few more years
somebody give me a baseball, i want some money!!
Also, spelling fail. We either need to pay our teachers more or less :/
Right...i`m going to let you off because I`m a Liverpool fan as well...but lukas1051 DID spell football right. IN ENGLISH. i`m pretty sure futbol is German but I could be wrong...haven`t studied it for a few...many years
Facts are facts, there is a huge disparity of wealth. My question is why people refuse to admit it when facts are presented.
Enjoy the end of capitalism!
You refuse to call it soccer yet you spell it wrong??? futbol man cmon now you`re from Europe. and by the way go scousers LIVERPOOL FTW!!!!!!
Depends on whether I need my life saved. If a triple bypass costs $10,000 (I have no idea, really), one person shells that out. To go to a Toronto Maple Leafs game, it`s $200. By my math, open-heart surgery seems 50 times more important than a Leafs game. Don`t blame the athletes that surgery isn`t a spectator sport.
i want more
And now you are badmouthing class struggle. You belong in the 14th century.
Billions? Srsly? The US is the leading country in the world for baseball, and just over ten countries worldwide have baseball as a popular sport. The total population of all these countries doesn`t even add up to 700 million, so I`d personally like to know where you get this idea.
But ya, the graph really isn`t that surprising considering that people are actually willing to pay ticket prices and buy so much paraphernalia from these jocks.
I vote the guy who can save my life. If I want to see someone throw a ball through a hoop I`ll go to seaworld.
umm. the lowest average on that chart of athletes is over twice that of the surgeon. Look at the numbers, not the height of the bars.
Who`s more important, the guy who can throw a ball though a hoop, or the man who can save the other guy`s life?
I don`t support them or Manchester United, but you have admire the way they`ve gone about it and the reason for doing so...
They are not merely people training and playing, they are salesmen, marketers, PR guys, spokesmen, heroes, showmen, motivational speakers. They are many things to many people and so we pay them the salaries of many.
Having said all that, I think celebrity wealth is complete and total BS. Being a celebrity should be your reward for being a celebrity. Making that much money is unethical, but then many things that are unethical are supported by society. What can we do?<
I wanted to add a final clause to my comment and deleted and re-wrote it... you must have gotten in there just before I posted.
Suffice to say, they sold a ridiculous amount of shirts the day Ronaldo was unveiled.
stupid IAB hamster
Its the same way this is our website. If we stop coming here because...the font is too dark, then IAB will try to fix that. But its important to remember, we are essentially getting this service for free.
The majority of the money for sports is through TV advertising. And the majority of the time thats free. Sure we can boycott them....but I don`t think its worth the fight. That soccer player got that amount of money, because in the end he is more profitable than that.
I still say they earn what they make. The TV ratings and sales are proof of that
This just isnt the case, seriously, believe me. Just not the case at all. Maybe less likely because the individual play less often, but hospitals a&e`s are full of amateur sportsmen every weekend and take a look around any spinal injury wards - it`s all amateur sport and the odd motorcyclist (motorcyclists usually don`t survive which is why there aren`t quite so many).
As for the Ali "thing"... god only knows about that and there but for the grace of god and all that. Michael J Fox didnt seem to get hit round the head too often on Family Ties.
Cheers, Primetimekin, interesting hearing your views... still struggle to understand the $230 price tag, but I wouldn`t ever buy one and struggle to understand why anyone else would either. Over here, we`ve just had a £80m transfer in football go through for a player... and in total the contract is something ballastic like £250m, which is bizarre and i
But thats what it is, its a job.In the NFL 52 players make the cut. the last 10 get paid the minimum, 500k (not bad). The 53rd player, well he bags grocerys.
I`m sure some doctors don`t want to be doctors, but what else can they do?
Athletes have 10-15 years to make all the money they will in their lifetime.
BTW, that quote was hilarious!
And that`s why I want to be a teacher. :)
As a sports fan (first and foremost), of basically any sport (I draw the line at horse racing but will watch anything else - even the Superbowl!), I would be dubious about the dedication of a professional sportsman who didnt enjoy playing their sport. Time to give up when it becomes a job. I know there is big business and loadsamoney behind it, but when it stops being fun is time to stop doing it. The fans know and it`s only a matter of time.
As one of your most enlightened countrymen once said: "Good evening, my name is Bill Hicks. I`ve been on the road now doing comedy twelve years, so, uh, bear with me while I plaster on a fake smile and plow through this poo one more time"
He provides a service, and he gets the most money he can out of it. Just like anyone else who is employed (albeit on a much larger scale)
"just doesnt matter, a broken leg, sprained ankle or bruised arm still hurts just as much "
buts its less likely to occur and often less serious. Muhammad Ali has Parkinsons from all the hits he took as a boxer. Not too many people can say they have that as a result of weekend sports.
"And your final point about the doctors... show me an out of work doctor and I`ll show you... err, err, just show me an out of work doctor! "
Ok maybe the doc was a bad example, but there are still thousands of other employers that depend on athletes.
In the end, its business. The owner/players/everyone tries to profit as much as they possibly can. I see that no different than any other company, these are jus
I`d be tempted to say, and I don`t know the US sportscene particularly well so I could be a little of whack on this - but even with the franchise format you guys use, it is defintely translatable. He is probably getting paid that money for the revenue potential he brings and to prevent him from taking that revenue elsewhere, ie: to the competing teams.
"I don`t think any of them have to worry about 100mph fastballs." - just doesnt matter, a broken leg, sprained ankle or bruised arm still hurts just as much - whatever the reason for it. Usually the most damage comes from daft little things - like half hearted amateurs pulling out of tackles (I`m from a rugby background)... that is where most of the injuries happen.
And your final point about the doctors... show me an out of work doctor and I`ll show you... err, err, just show me an out of work doctor!
Thats for the Authentic ones players use. most people go for replicas which are 70. Or ebay has them for cheaper, I got a premier for 50
No one, and I mean no one, likes training. Everyone loves playing the game. A-rod doesn`t get paid 28 million to play for the yankees, he gets paid to train beforehand. Taking trips away from your family for months in the middle of spring, playing games that no one cares about is not fun, it just gets you better.
"As for the physical punishment... they are no different to the hundreds of millions of people who play sport every weekend "
I don`t think any of them have to worry about 100mph fastballs.
"have teams of doctors and physios at every turn,"
I would just like to point out that those docs are getting paid due to the players...and in essence they have jobs due to the players. Just sayin
That`s just wrong.
I actually agree on this... but don`t say they "earnt" it, that is not correct, they are profitting from it, that`s all.
I`ll take this in two parts... training... training should be for the love of the game and glory of competition and success, what gets a marathon runner out of bed in the dead of winter? A pay check? And while application and training goes a long way, luck and natural ability are the key to excellence at that level, not training. There`s a oft quoted cliche in English football: "Form is temporary, class is permanent", training gives you form... talent, ability and luck define your class. Any self respecting sportsman will acknowledge this.
As for the physical punishment... they are no different to the hundreds of millions of people who play sport every weekend throughout the world and meanwhile have teams of doctors and physios at every turn, they simply arent getting remunerated for this, don`t delude yourself on that.
And that is the point... did they?"
Go work out 6 hours a day for 10 years on the HOPE of becoming a professional athlete, and then tell me if they earned it.
"the situation that parents are in and the position they have in this system."
But thats what people want. They know that the material of the Jersey isn`t worth 230 dollars, its the name that makes it so expensive. But they chose to buy it. I don`t see why the athletes shouldn`t profit from that.
And that is the point... did they?
Regardless of what you do with it... it is still their money. Between you and them though you`ve just worked out a convenient way for them to dodge the bleating. Whether it`s for that shirt, shades or camera.
I`m not having a go at YOU specifically, merely pointing out the situation that parents are in and the position they have in this system. They are complicit in their own exploitation, kids are dreadfully taken in by all these things... I don`t think any generation has been immune to it, mine certainly wasnt! Hell, we had kids flying to NY to get the first pair of Air Nikes back in the day for the first day of school! Absolute Craziness!
Yes. If I invest in Company X, then I don`t care about the starving children in some nation I can`t pronounce, I want a return on my investment.
"At the end of the day, anyone getting paid 25m odd is doing so at some else`s expense and hard work... and undoubtedly at a great deal of other people`s expense."
so you want to ignore the years of training it takes to get to that level? Or the amount their body is physically punished?
The reason A-rod is paid to swing a bat at a ball is because no one else can do it like him. Right now I am qualified for the position of sweatshop worker. I am not qualified for New York Yankees Third Basemen.
I say let the people who make the money decide what to do with it, they earned it.
While it would not necessarily be as profitable(and aint that key to it all? isnt it sport?), it would be possible for these organisations to ensure that both finance and support was invested and it wouldn`t necessarly simply end up in the pocket of the owners.
At the end of the day, anyone getting paid 25m odd is doing so at some else`s expense and hard work... and undoubtedly at a great deal of other people`s expense.
A huge amount of exploitation going on, from the fans and parent`s of the fans... through to the sharp end of the manufacturing and production. It`s not going to fix but this is where the money is coming from... people are paying for it at both ends.
Ask your mum to qualify that."
I go on allowance. I get X amount of dollars and choose how to spend it.
Again, I can buy a jersey or donate to charity. I chose jersey, sue me.
Ask your mum to qualify that.
But then, if them being overpayed helps other people have jobs,I can`t complain.
why would it go to them? In third world nations those kids are competing to get those jobs. Law of Iron Wages states that as supply for a field goes up the demand goes down, therefore the wages would go down. That 1% would just go to the owner.
"then how about a reduction in the price of the shirts... after all it is the kids that buy them... or rather the down-beaten parent that pays for them."
Thats the price the league deems most profitable. Business=/= charity. The NFL/MLB/NBA/etc are offering a product, no one is forcing you to buy it.
"Not sure if this goes on in the US, but with a recent..."
some do have charities, a lot of them do. But its thei
While some of the reasoning is sound on a cursory basic level, ie: making business sense due to things like shirt sales... you do have to wonder about, maybe, a 1% reduction in wages and how that would effect the "star" and if that saving were passed onto, say, the kids that stitched together those shirts and how that money would effect those kids. Likewise, if that is not acceptable - then how about a reduction in the price of the shirts... after all it is the kids that buy them... or rather the down-beaten parent that pays for them.
Not sure if this goes on in the US, but with a recent influx of African football players into the European football league, many of those players view their own success with a huge amount of humility and invest much of their wealth in development and programmes in their home countries.
We can only hope these guys on the 25m a year meal tickets are using it w
None, since i don`t make $28 million a year, is it even possible to spend all of that money. How much of it is just greed?
They could easily make a difference to the world."
So you want OTHERS to donate for your cause? 10% of their salary is no different than 10% of your salary. And Arods 28 million comes from Jersey sales (which has mailman deliver it), stadium prices (which has security workers bringing in people to the stadium), food sales (which...you get the point).
Athletes have trained their whole life to get to that point, and are more beneficial for everyone else. I say let them spend their hard earned money the same way you should spend yours, however you please.
They could easily make a difference to the world.
A few years ago here in Miami, we were fortunate enough to host the Superbowl.
One of the players that went to the Superbowl was Peyton Manning who gets paid 99.2 million over 7 years. Thats not including his multi-million dollar contract with Sprint.
People from across the country flew to Miami to watch him play. People bought phones to have the same phone the pros have. Jerseys, ticket sales, advertisement,etc.
The amount of tax dollars generated from that 1 event, just in Miami, was enough to pay thousands of cops salarys. It kept business running, and many people dependent on the added income from those revenues down here (my mother works in sales, next month sales skyrocketed).
Athletes (and entertainers in general) are more beneficial for people than they want to think
And how much of your salary do you donate to research? If I want to spend my money on an Ocho Cinco Jersey, I don`t see whats wrong with that. Millions of others agree and thats why he gets paid the big bucks.
"It`s sad and ridiculous how the average player earns more than a f-cking surgeon. So stupid, our priorities."
There are more surgeons than there are athletes. Its harder to become an athlete than it is to become a surgeon. Plus athletes bring in more money than surgeons do SEE: baalthazaq
yes lets remove a multi billion dollar industry...you are one savvy economist.
"sorry but i have absolutely no respect for professional athletes...they all have a talent that is completely worthless...how is watching grown men fighting over a f*cking ball entertaining?"
The same way going on a website and watching a graph is entertaining.
"The reason they get paid more is the same reason CEOs get paid more, they bring more money in than they take out. "
Baalthazaq always has to be the voice of reason.
"i think the world would survive if athletes didn`t exsist. that goes to show how important they really are."
The world would also survive if roads didn`t exist. I still drating want them
"Oh look, the wonders of capitalism."
Socialism is great until you run out of other people`s money
Anyone can be a policemen or a firemen if they wanted to. All you need is a GED and a bit of training. Lawyers and Senators require a lot more work.
"i hate that the people who "make the world go around" get paid less than the people this world doesnt really need. "
You do realize that A-rod puts people on the seats, which pays for all the workers in the stadium, not too mention the people at MLB.com who process the jerseys, to the delivery man, etc.
Otherwise? Shut up.
Actually, it`s about 89 cents/second
No, he`s a bit more than 3 million dollars short of that.
That there are far fewer professional athletes than there are professionals.
That you don`t need $10M to live even the most extravagant lifestyle.
That the only reason those people are paid so much is because you - the fans - are willing to pay their salaries through overpriced tickets, TV, merchandise and other [email protected]
There are people who make more than athletes who deserve it even less (if that`s possible).
Also I don`t know where they pulled their figures from (maybe it says) but cops where I am start at 70k.
Okay, #1. You`re the biggest nerd on earth, I`m guessing. #2. Marry me?
Generously, a surgeon will not operate on more than 300 people a year, they each give him say $10`000.
He makes 3 million this year extremely optimistically.
Shakira gets her album bought by say 1 million people. They each give her say $6. She makes $6 million this year. Extremely pessimistically. (Not counting live events, not counting advertising, not counting the minor detail that CDs cost more than $6, not counting that she sold 20 million, not 1, not counting royalties, etc, but hopefully that`s compensated for by marketing/cuts along the way/capital/production costs/etc).
anyway, point is, thousands of people will go see a game if their team wins, if the athletes make the team win, they make money for the club, more money than their salary.
Ergo, when clubs auction athletes, they pay alot.
There needs to be a SERIOUS change here. Too bad I don`t EVER see it coming.