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I`m sure I have been unclear or haven;t chosen my words as well as I could-you only get 1000 chars. to try to say something. This is a poor forum for debate and this 2-dimensional medium lends itself to misinterpretation easily.
Peace be with you...
Maybe I misread you. My brother is a homosexual and is having many struggles, including being ostracised from his own church here in Ireland.
Look, as dead as this thread is and it`s only us left, maybe we got off on the wrong foot. Can I extend the olive-branch of peace? No ulterior motive intended.
I don`t have an intolerance for Christianity. Hell, I`m a recovering Born-Again Christian myself (100% true story, echoing with your "recovering homosexual" anecdote). I have an intolerance for any belief system which would label other people as inherently sinful for such heinous practices as being born gay, or born into another religion in another part of the world. Sorry bub, eternal hellfire for you. Unless you convert to my team, of course.
Anyways, this thread is dead. See you on the next debate.
All I have is an intolerance for is intolerance. I`m all about inclusiveness. I presume (as you are a devout Christian) that in your world view, anyone who is not saved by the Lord Jesus Christ (i.e. Christian) is going to burn in hell for all eternity, tormented and ravaged by demons for all time. All the atheists, all the Muslims, all the Hindus, all the Jews, all the Zoroastrians, all the traditional Chinese Animists, all the Shintoists, all the sinners (including those sinful homosexuals) who have not come to *your* lord Jesus Christ and asked for forgiveness.
Yeah, I know. You didn`t make up the rules.
If you had been born in India, rather than than in the Christian Miswest, you`d be a Hindu. If you were born in the Middle East you`d be a Muslim. If you were born in Scandanavia in the time of the Vikings you`d be worshipping Odin and Thor.
Gay people equivalated with who now? You abhor me. Go join Westboro Baptist.
Maybe you can trick a lot of themMaybe if you fool the best of themThe rest will come around
We`re all scaredSo they dressed you up in all theseDifferent namesI`ve gotta find peace with myselfBefore I give you allBefore I give you anything at all
I think its funny you`ve been quiet for so longWhen you`re quiet no one proves you wrongAnd dear your holinessYour army`s safe and soundThey`re down here dying for you
Gotta love some anti-God rock. PS. No such thing as a "recovering homosexual", stfu.
As for what jesus said, he also said that you should despise your family and yourself, but i don`t see you quoting that part. Luke 14:26.
THAT was my point, to those who missed it or wanted to pick a fight instead... Jesus is not about rules or religion--he hates religion. He is about grace. Period. All else is garbage. Religion is man-made and God used it to prove that we don;t need it. WE only need grace and we have it already. Jesus said it and lived by it. Maybe a reread of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John is in order to see his own words...
Jesus said about judgment: Mat 7:3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother`s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Mat 7:4 Or how can you say to your brother, `Let me take the speck out of your eye,` when there is the log in your own eye?
As for "Think our way or burn in hell, how very friendly. Jesus saves all. Except those who don`t blindly follow his rule" I never said that--and NEITHER DID JESUS. I am sure 100% that there will be homosexual people in heaven alongside murderers, thieves, prostitutes, drug abusers, you name it--it will be there. Why? GRACE. No human is perfect--all fall short, all have sinned. Every person alive will surely die and those who have accepted the grace of God (not the religious crap espoused in Westboro, or any other Baptist Church for that matter) will be in heaven alongside Jesus. Look at Jesus` life: he hung out with the "dirty", the outcast, the "unclean". He lov
Stop deliberately twisting my words to represent your sick world-view. His life doesn`t offend me, you offend me. You know perfectly well what I said.
you need to do some reading, man. You are brainwashed and mentally ignorant.
...maybe you should just keep doing that.
I agree that homosexuality is a legitimate sexual choice, and also that your more fundamental christians are prejudice asses. But to match intolerance with intolerance and vulgarity just makes you look like a comparable ass, yourself.
Now that I got that out of my system, I agree with you this is nothing but a bunch of twats.
To be a little more on topic; what a bunch of wankers. Especially the fat dude walking around, but also the heard of mindless artards who are acting all this out. Cause that`s what it is, there`s no God involved here, only dumb people in high concentrations.
There isn`t a thing as a recovering homosexual. If you follow the idea that homosexuality is a choice, then people are making a choice. And if you follow the rest of the Christian teachings, unfortunately many `Christians` don`t, it`s not anyone`s place to judge, condemn, or even make it a church wide knowledge unless the person wishes it to be so.
If people were more honest with themselves and what they know the world would be a much better place.
Sims3k is right. The Koran does not say or imply anyone should be converted or killed. Much like extremist in any religion the Muslims that believe this aren`t fully aware of what their religion teaches and follow skewed teachings of someone they believe is more `learned` then themselves.
Not to start an argument about homosexuality. Don didn`t use the greatest tact in stating his position, and I believe it is an incorrect term for homosexual people that become heterosexual. But many people believe homosexuality is a choice and just as many believe it`s innate. I think that`s where he`s trying to come from if it clears it up.
From my understanding, the point of different religions is to give choice to people, if there was only 1, 100% true religion and everyone knew it, there wouldn`t be much of a choice. You`d either follow it and/or know the outcome of your choice already, which kind of defeats the purpose.
What the hell is a "RECOVERING" homosexual? Do you know how you sound? Oh and BTW...he`s hiding it and all of you at your wonderful church are perpetuating a lie. Oh so because he`s "happily" married with kids make him straight? Wow...
muslims view is NOT to convert others or have them killed. in islam converting is frowned upon as humans have free will and should make teir own choices. why dont you read the koran before you make accusations like that.
I have no doubt that he did. I`m also fairly sure that his mum took it up the vag from the stable-boy and blamed it on a divine angel in the face of her virgin husband.
Come on, whole religions have been built on this sh*t. It`s time we wised up. It`s 2009 FFS. Virgin births don`t happen. You`d fail science class with honours for espousing this deeply retarded horse-wank. Please, people, open your mind some.
*heads the f*cking desk*
And as to quote: "one of the staff is a recovering homosexual"
Frankly, you f*cking repulse me. Homosexuals are not recovering from a disease. I am done with this abhorrent conversation.
I`ll respect Christianity more when you stop perpetrating intolerance and pity for those who are different than you, and then sugar coating it in the name of "love".
It sickens me.
This is why I`m constantly horrified. Just f`n horrified.
Anyway--Christ said it, we should all do it: Love God. Love your neighbor as yourself. Do this and all else will come to you.
I pity the idiots onscreen `cause they have no idea everybody knows it is entirely bullsh|t; that they`re acting insane on their own
I wanna go to a crusade or one of these things and be in the audience when he tries this and have an expression of complete nihilismHe`d probably point at me and say the devil is in me and try to exorcise me
In fact they`re defiling their Jesus and their God by letting themselves be orchestrated in such a manner by this clown
pity is a good word for this
It`s hypnotism, folks. God doesn`t exist.
no offense to midgets or lovers of midget porn intended...
Sorry mate, but as an "unbeliever", you`ll forgive me for finding it hard to differentiate between "the real christians" (like you, assumedly) and the "apostasisers". I`m sure you`d denounce Westboro Baptist Church, but the Bible does after all call homosexuality an abomination in the eyes of God. Just as most moderate muslims would denounce the 9-11 attacks, even though the Koran calls for the death of infidels. I mean, you guys are all reading the same book, right? So how can I tell which interpretations of those same Bronze-Age texts have got it right, and which are the charlatans, full of apostasy?
Well, you have a point je_scream. The happiest guy in the village is the delusional village madman.
That guys laygh seemed more evil to me than holy...
You nailed it and what`s really, really scary is how easily ANY large group of people (ie; mob) can be made to `follow the leader` and behave in ways that are completely contrary to their normal self. Very, very scary! Of course that ole fat guy is laughing his [email protected]@ off...after the show he`s going to the bank to deposit the MILLIONS he`s made off these people...laughing all the way!
You`re a madman!
We (agnostics, athiests, and misc religion) did. It`s called America where we can believe whatever crazy story we want to. You`re always welcome to go to some country where they control what religion you`re allowed to believe.
I`m sorry, but what the heck is going on?! 0___0
Amen. ...so to speak.
I am guessing if satan does exist...we just saw him!
That leader`s laugh sounds completely demonic btw.
That ranks as one of the top 10 most bizarre and stupid things I have EVER seen! Seriously, WTF was that????
That looked a LOT like my idea of hell.
unfortunatly my parents still force me to go to church and it isn`t like this.