7th Grader Forced To Take Off Her Pro-life Shirt

Submitted by: peloos12 8 years ago in Science
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,530284,00.html?mep

Her mother"s now suing the school. What do you think, I-A-B? Were this girl"s constitutional rights violated?
There are 260 comments:
Female 1,070
I`m not going to voice my view on this because whichever side I choose some people are going to be angry.

Instead I ask: Why is this under the "Science" section of IAB D:

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Female 321
Not all the details have been disclosed, so there could have been an alternate reason to not allow her to wear the shirt. But, still, i side with the girl on this, in fact i like the shirt and would try to wear it to school just for the hell of it.
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Female 111
well i dont think the shirt is shocking but i can also understand she couldent wear it to school but then again why dress u kid with a shirt like that?and why couldent they send her home to change?
and im not for or against abortion but women should deceide for there own what to do with their body`s
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Male 1,918
"what does a 12 year old understand about any of this"
Don`t be a bitch i knew plenty of this when i was 11 which is 2 years ago so stfu
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Female 53
what does a 12 year old understand about any of this
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Female 1,199
Wow. >_> I was mentioning budget cuts because her mom is sueing the school. You don`t drating sue a school for something like this. Why not make a petition or peacefully protest instead of wanting to take money from a public school?

If your kid gets injured from something that is the school`s fault; Alright I`ll agree to that no problem. But taking money for a reason like this, drat NO. You clearly don`t understand the sad state our schools are in. :/

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Female 160
Oh never mind, this isn`t the place to argue pro-life vs pro-choice, nor is this the audience. The question is whether or not the girl`s first-amendment rights were violated and my answer would be "Yes", regardless of how I feel about her T-shirt. Unless the school has a written dress code in place prohibiting expression of religious/political beliefs, the girl did nothing wrong, though her mother at least should have anticipated that the T-shirt would cause problems for her daughter. That`s what I find the most objectionable, honestly---that the kid`s mom would let her (or even encourage her) to wear the shirt to school in the first place. It shows an appalling lack of common sense and reeks of the mother using the daughter to aggressively flaunt her political agenda.
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Female 27
I`m more surprised by the fact that they made her throw out her food, and take her shirt off in front of everyone. If they had been like "Hey, go change in this shirt, and give us that shirt" It would have been acceptable, but it sounds like they went out of their way to make her as uncomfortable as possible.
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Male 8
wow i cannot believe how stupid some of these replies are. you still have the first amendment right when you are in school. you have all of your rights. and she is not getting a free education. her parents` tax money helps pay for that education. why? because schools are NOT separate from government. and you shouldn`t judge the girl for her shirt. most kids in 7th grade don`t have political opinions, but some do. i did. did it say that her parents forced her to wear the shirt? no it did not. and before anyone says anything; no i am not siding with her because i share her beliefs, i am pro-choice. and we should not stand up for our childrens` rights because of school budget cuts?! wtf. that comment is so stupid that i am completely dumbfounded and cannot begin to describe in how many ways that is wrong. i know a lot of you will say I`m a bitch, but your ignorance and intolerance is just astounding. THIS IS AMERICA PPL!
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Female 54
is it just me or kids in 7th grade shouldn`t have an opinion on this yet, a little innapropriate for school
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Male 144
Lando:
Certainly you have something better for me, than cherry-picking a word I ginuninely mispronounced? Obviously not, or you would have presented it. This was clearly an attempt to argue without an argument. Thats ok...

Its obvious that I meant "contraceptive"...it being the only word that fit the sentence structure and topic. Anybody and everybody who read this gathered that because it doesnt even take an imagination to see that people can screw up on typing, pronunciation,etc.
By the way, I was never asking for "respect"...im not sure this will be something reached over the internet. I was simply correcting a misconception and trying to end a juvenile arguement.

Thank you..

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Male 1,375
I wore this shirt to school all the time and no one ever said SH*T to me about it offending them and if they did i probably would have laughed in their face

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Female 428
@Wazpoppin9
Unfortunately freedom of expression, to many people, means `My way or the highway! I can express my opinion, but you can`t express yours because I don`t like it.`
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Male 9,305
The article is written with a bias slant. Vice-like grip is a matter of opinion and argument, oh wait that`s why, upper left corner we see who this is from.

Anyway, I`ve never heard of "National Pro-Life T-Shirt Day." It must be one of those small group made up days like "Talk Like a Pirate Day", or "Have Random Buttsex Day".

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Male 70
Dammit america! what happened to your renowned freedom to express yourself??? All we hear here in the rest of the world is how you pride yourself in your many freedoms... but then something as little as this is so hotly debated?

Let the girl where whatever she likes...!!

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Female 244
I`d have a problem with seeing this shirt since I`m pro-choice. If some chick gets knocked because she can`t figure out how to use a condom or birth control she should be able to make a choice to keep it or not. It would save 1 more child from an Orphanage, or having parents that beat them, ignore them ect.

However I do believe she has a right to her own opinion even if me or anyone else doesn`t like it. Schools still have rules though, I was stuck in a middle school years ago that wouldn`t let anyone wear anything supporting gay rights, I mean wtf? You could get away with a pot leaf shirt but not a gay rights shirt. I kind of doubt this woman will win though since the kid had to sign a paper that probably said she`ll follow school rules... Who knows.

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Female 267
The first right amendment does not apply in school. This lady will never win.
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Male 26
This never was about dress codes or what kind of imaging was on the tshirt. The problem here is that the parents outfitted their 11-yearold with a tshirt representing their own opinion. And no, I wasnt braindead at that age, but i sure as hell didnt have a reflected political opinion on advanced matters such as the abortion debate. Honestly, at age 11 most kids dont give a poo. But what the principal probably wanted to avoid is this kid getting humiliated or "marked" by wearing such clothes. As soon as a tshirt expresses political opinion, its a strong tool to use, and honestly, I dont think any kids at this age should be wearing political messages on their body unless they insist so themselves without parents brainwashing them. Feel free to slaughter me, but its the truth.
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Female 1,186
Wait, didn`t get to finish her breakfast? Sh-t`s gonna go down.
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Male 2,605
"George Carlin is dead *meant that literally and metaphorically*"

Your point? ...Oh, why do I still bother asking?

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Female 33
Of course!
She has every right to wear the shirt! There`s no reason why she shouldn`t be able to wear it. She has a right to her opinion and the shirt didn`t break the dress code!
It wasnt spaghetti straps, it didn`t advertise beer or drugs, and it didn`t have an offensive slogan. She was merely pointing out that abortion is MURDER and she has ever right to do so!

I hope she wins the law suit.

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Female 275
1st amendment only applies to the government. Not Public schools. Public schools can regulate student dress all they want. If they restricted this girl`s shirt, not a pro-choice shirt, then they are jerkoffs. But they didn`t violate any law.

She`s a minor getting a free public education. They can tell her what she can and can`t wear on campus.

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Male 3,842
"lives worth the laziness of simple contresective?"

What does "contresective" mean? Does that mean anti-religion? Since "sect" means religion, "contresective" must mean anti-religion, right?

You didn`t mean "contraceptive" did you? That means "anti-conception" which prevents conceiving a baby. Am I really explaining this word to someone who wants us to respect his opinion on reproductive issues?

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Male 599
"Can someone tell me what this prolife thing is?"
Pro-life is the position of believing that babies should be born if they are conceived.
pro-choice is the belief that it is the decision of the mother of the child.

I think that abortions should require parental consent if the mother is a minor. After the age of 17, i dont care what the f*ck you do. It`s your f*cking fault.
That settles that.

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Male 599
"i am not pro-life.i see a pattern with pro-life protesters,that it`s always the girl`s fault."whyd you get knocked up in the first place", "why didnt u use a condom"

Ok so it was her decision (unless it wasn`t, i`m not an non-nice individual). There not going to call a guy out on it for two reasons.
1) The guy isn`t walking around broadcasting that
he had unprotected sex and a baby coming on the
way.
2) The guy isn`t arguing for pro-decision.

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Male 144
, atleast thats how ive seen the other side so far, but maybe im putting you guys in a stereotypical nutshell. I just think that whole thought should be cleared up and find better reasons to argue your veiws on abortion is all

Its like when people used random "muslim" things about Obama to argue why he shouldnt have been president..didnt you feel that peoples reasoning should have been better? more logical..not something that you knew probably wasnt true anyways? its the same... that "girl fault" thing is illogical to think is true..so come on...

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Male 144
Actually my friends...majority of pro-life, such as myself do not feel this way, the whole "its the girl`s fault", that argument is juvenile. Ofcourse if a 12 year old is raped..necassary things must happen, especially if the life of this 12 year old was put in danger, their is no question about it. You see we arent to much to say Anti-abortion period..its more anti-abuse. We arent animals, reason is reason. We just dont want the life which is a fetus, to be abused by people arent being responsible, but could have been. Ive met a girl who`s had 3 abortions already...why are 3 lives worth the laziness of simple contresective? With "pro-choice` its all or nothing, girls can do what they want, and abuse what they want. If there was a limit to abortion, you know good reason,(say, a girl was raped, or a girl was responsible and still got pregnant, or the body is in danger because of the baby inside and many more) we`d meet our veiws, but there isnt. Its all or nothin
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Male 12,138
Dear god, how I wish we could leave bronze-age religions out of modern societal issues. Pun intended.
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Male 12,138
vv "i am not pro-life.i see a pattern with pro-life protesters,that it`s always the girl`s fault."whyd you get knocked up in the first place", "why didnt u use a condom"

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Indeed. Misogyny is a repeated an common theme amongst most organised monotheistic religions. Whether it`s women not allowed to become priests, or polygamous marriages (almost exclusively one man to many wives) or forcing schoolgirls back into a burning building for not wearing appropriate religious headwear, an incident in which 15 of those girls died.

I speak of religion here specifically because I can guarantee you that the pattern of pro-life protestors being "always the girl`s fault", as you pointed out, is almost exclusively perpetrated by the far right-wing conservative religious.

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Female 87
i am not pro-life.i see a pattern with pro-life protesters,that it`s always the girl`s fault."whyd you get knocked up in the first place""why didnt u use a condom"
what if a 12 year old girl is raped? she cant just say,"sorry sir,but could you please use a condom?i don`t want to get pregnant."childbirth can be fatal that young.would you rather kill 1 barely living life,or 1 12 years in the making?
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Female 32
i go to a uniform school and we had free dress for a day. My friend wore a shirt about elevation and on the back it said``dude i think this whole town is high" and a teacher made him wear it inside-out when my friend had a led zeppy shirt with dude naked pevic thrusting in the air....
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Male 12
She should have taken it off on the basis that her shirt is skewing the view of the other children in her class. Now everyone from that class might be biased against pro-choice due to the content of her shirt without being presented the arguments from the other side. The purpose of school is to learn, not to preach. Then again, I highly doubt that any of the kids there even care about the issue.

primetimekin- I think you give too much credit to 7th graders.

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Male 7,933
"everyone is pro-life until they become pregnant in high school...f*cking hypocrites..."

thats why my friend decided to have her baby?

Might make you think again when you accuse a group of something you can`t back up.

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Female 1,199
I remember when this kid in Junior High would come to school with a 7up shirt that said: "Make 7" (on the front) "Up yours" (on the back). The teacher would scream at him never to wear that shirt, and you could visibly see a vein on his neck bulging out when he screamed at the kid lol. I never thought the shirt was even that bad, so it just made it even more funnier.

As for being more on topic to this... The shirt seems a bit graphic, and may be misinterpreted as well if anyone were to only read the front of it. So I can understand them wanting her to not wear this at school and I think she should respect that. By the way, I am very Pro-life, but I can understand that rules need to be respected.

Also, anytime someone wants to sue a school I just want to punch them; they`re having enough problems with money and budget-cuts why make it worse. -_-

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Male 308
There`s a fine line between using your constitutional rights and abusing them. This girl was abusing them in my opinion. By the way don`t try to come up with some clever rebuttal I`m not going to drating read it anyway.
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Male 3,915
everyone is pro-life until they become pregnant in high school...f*cking hypocrites...
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Male 165
Can someone tell me what this prolife thing is I just saw it for the first time in this article.
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Male 7,378
Her parents should be ashamed of brainwashing her. Better yet they could send her to a religious school where she can dress as a fetus on Halloween.
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Female 1,677
I think the school has every right to tell her to not wear the shirt. They should just not allow graphics of any kind on any clothing. If someone came to school wearing one of those `g-d hates f-gs` shirts, they would be expected to remove that as well.

BUT in the same vein, they shouldn`t allow pro-choice shirts either. God they`re in gr.7, they don`t know what they think yet. I was stupidly anti-choice in junior high too. She`ll grow up.

Anyway, junior high isn`t really the place for making half-baked political statements with your clothing. Start a club or something.

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Male 144
I would try to defend this because I am pro-life..(ouch...quit throwing stones..)but...its reasonable to say that this could have been a distraction. Where i live, they mandated school uniforms..so something like this doesnt happen. I did have my own political opinions in 7th grade, but i felt that I should keep them to myself or amongst people who agree until I could vote. I still stand by this, 1 voter in America has so little voice, to have someone probably 6 years away giving trying to give theirs. Some say this is closed minded...and that maybe I dont give voice much credit..thats fine. However, I do feel if this Principal had taken the shirt away for her own political reasons, then this would be unexceptable.
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Male 7,933
"wow. such a long article for crap. stupid americans... again."

`lolz isa iz so culz cuz i can has amerikuhn fun of snerious thread`


Now to re-cap this thread...
1) Not to many law students on IAB
2) Mommy`s aren`t hugging enough
3) People were starting to learn how to talk in 7th grade
4) Davy/Baal match-up... Love It!

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Male 7,933
"i feel that until youve had an abortion, its impossible to preach on the matter. how can she look down upon people who chose not to keep their child if she herself has never been in that situation."

I feel the same way about stabbing people. stupid DA wouldnt take my case.

"I seriously hope you don`t think a seventh grader, has made a conscious decision of her beliefs at such an age. Obviously, when her mother sounds like the one trying to make a statement.

Yeah, f*ck it. Let the kid smoke too! In fact, lets just let all the kids do and say whatever the F*ck they want!"

does everyone here have mommy issues?

"The shirt is pretty graphical, especially in middle school. And it`s pretty obvious that it isn`t the opinion of the student, it`s the opinion of the parents forcing their child to believe what they believe. A 7th grader can no way completely understand what abortion is."

Apparently everyone here must`ve been brain dead in middle school

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Male 7,933
"She has no right`s as a student and won`t have rights until she`s eighteen. Freedom of speech does not apply to a 7th grader nor any other constitutional right"

Please don`t go to law school.

"THERE IS NO F*CKING CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS IN A SCHOOL
END OF STORY"

Please don`t ever go to law school.
""Religion is the cause of all wars?
Cold War, World War I, World War II, Holocaust, the Mongols, Romans, Russia, China, etc."

holocaust - ethnic clensing of germany, getting rid of hebrews

cold war - Commies=atheism

WWII - see holocaust

Romans - see the bible"
Holocaust= Treaty of Versailles
Cold War= Anti-capitalism, Nuclear race
WW2- See Versailles
Romans= see a drated up society that was overexpanded and was going to be destroyed eventually.

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Female 531
i wonder if they would`ve made her take if off if it was a pro-choice shirt.....
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Male 721
wow. such a long article for crap. stupid americans... again.
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Male 2,245
she should take off her shirt and open her mouth
(that sounded unintentionally filthy)

and i only have one comment for this incredibly circular debate.

if you burn down a construction site are you an arson?

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Male 7,933
"it has pictures of fetuses on it thats ridiculous for a school that has kindergartners in it. "

werent the pics in her science book...

"As george carlin said, we don`t have rights, we have privelages"

George Carlin is dead *meant that literally and metaphorically*

"offensive pro-life tshirt and they are trying to sue? really?? "

offensive? It just had two pics and three words with no gore in it.

"The way I see it, the position she espouses is that people shouldn`t have the right to choose what to do with their own bodies. "
" Which is nothing worse than the view she promotes anyway. So, by her own logic, there can`t be any problem with what the principal did. Unless she`s a hypocrite - but who ever heard of a Christian being hypocritical, right?"

Mommy never hugged you did she?

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Male 3,619
feiku you underestimate children. bitch.

I 96% agreee with rainbowsquid

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Male 1,129
even though i dont agree with the girls opinion im on her side. but still 7th grade that is a little young to have such a strong opinion about something that you hardly understand
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Female 34
There is no place for a political opinion in school. You`re there to learn. It`s a distraction and causes debate. It was entirely within the school`s rights. I was told as a student that a student drops their rights at the door, because it`s an institution, I don`t agree with this, but I personally feel, that if an article of clothing is distracting (either causing debate or if it`s skanky) it`s fair. If a student was being violated in other ways, such as being persecuted for stating their opinion in a valid class discussion, THEN it is a problem.
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Male 33
idc ftw
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Female 525
The shirt is pretty graphical, especially in middle school. And it`s pretty obvious that it isn`t the opinion of the student, it`s the opinion of the parents forcing their child to believe what they believe. A 7th grader can no way completely understand what abortion is.

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Female 130
ok so it was a K-8 school. but in my opinion the shirt is even more inappropriate with young kids there.
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Female 130
i think its reasonable for a school to make you change your shirt if its going to distract from daily activities. a shirt like that could cause a debate in every class that girl was in. a middle school is not the place to protest abortion.
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Male 15
I am on the girl`s side. We see worse things in Health and Family Life. Stupid school....
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Female 74
Man, my school is strict too, I hate that. I went to Washington D.C. for a special Youth Group activity, and I bought an expensive jacket that says WASHINGTON D.C. across the front and it`s black. Can`t wear that at my school. It`s crazy. One girl came to school with colored hair. She did a strip of her black hair to a dull pink. The principal made her dye it back!! I think schools are getting just a LITTLE out of hand with controlling what we wear! As if there aren`t any more important things in school, such as.. oh say... education??
Lol sorry. I`m still a lil upset about that guys. Don`t pay any mind to me :)
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Male 1,196
her rights were infringe upon if the dress code doesn`t say that she can`t wear that.
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Male 1,375
haha I`m with bailey even though she is being sarcastic smoke it up kiddos and wash it down with some whiskey and xanex woot
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Female 108
School is NOT a democracy. They are allowed to tell you to change your clothes.
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Female 257
Yes you should be able to express how you feel, but this is nothing to go to court over.
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Female 895
@ alexus2394

I seriously hope you don`t think a seventh grader, has made a conscious decision of her beliefs at such an age. Obviously, when her mother sounds like the one trying to make a statement.

Yeah, f*ck it. Let the kid smoke too! In fact, lets just let all the kids do and say whatever the F*ck they want!

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Female 291
her opinion she should b aloud to express it. ughhh the way we our brought up today is so hypocritical. We are aloud to express our feelings...as long as the meet their standards and rules. thank god, like joanielspeak said :" I still had my life ahead of me and my principal was stuck looming over snotty brats for the next 20 years" Nicely put. ^-^
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Female 200
Honestly who gives a crap. It`s a shirt she can wear everywhere else. Get over it and stop trying to share your opinions about the world at high school. Suing people over shirts. Redankulous
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Male 12,138
Seriously Baal, when making a point on how very tolerant religious people/societies are, you chose a post about Iran, of all places? Do you want a bandage for that nasty-looking bullet wound in your foot there?
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Male 12,138
Baal, I find it peculiar that when trying to make a point about how intolerant the secularists are compared to the oh-so-much-tolerant religious people, you chose one about Iran.

This being the fundamentalist Islamic Theocracy whose pretty blantly falsely elected President is a Holocaust-denier, who has called for "Zionist" Israel to be wiped off the map. The country whose Islamic clerical supreme leaders have issued fatwas calling for the death of authors for writing novels which purportedly insult Islam. The country wherein homosexuality is illegal and can carry the death penalty. The country wherin women have to keep their head covered in accordance with Islamic law, suffer segregation in public transport and restaurants, or risk arrest by the Islamic "morality police".

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Female 761
Ugh-oh, I smell an I-A-B brawl in the making *dons hard hat*
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Female 122
I was forced to turn my Mr. Hanky tee-shirt inside out when I wore it to school in 8th grade. Some administrators just get their jollies from bullying students. I was a straight-A student too so they knew I wouldn`t put up a fight. It`s half "I want to show my authority over others" and half "I don`t want another student telling their pro-choice parents what they saw and me getting in trouble."

I never cared about having to remove my shirt because after all, I still had my life ahead of me and my principal was stuck looming over snotty brats for the next 20 years. You have to get this stuff in perspective.

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Female 268
i feel that until youve had an abortion, its impossible to preach on the matter. how can she look down upon people who chose not to keep their child if she herself has never been in that situation.

christ. i hope their case loses.

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Female 268
good, glad to hear it.
its just people shoving their beliefs in otehr peoples faces. and wtf is a 7th grader doing wearing a pro-life shirt in the first place.
her beliefs were obviously punched into her head by older peers (aka mother)

bleargh. its gross.

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Male 1,220
Them taking off the shirt had nothing to do with it being pro choice. Some school rules dictate that graphic images cannot be put on shirts, and, in this case, a fetus was deemed graphic. Especially because it was k-8 school! I think they were correct in shielding the younger kids in the school from that. They should learn what a fetus is from their parents or the school, not from a t-shirt.

i side with the school.

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Male 345
Seriously? Live and let live. There are counterpoints to every view here and oversimplification is a dangerous slope.
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Male 2,159
I don`t find foetuses off-putting at all. It`s just a little baby.
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Male 2,159
Hmmm, lets not talk about a 7th grader taking her shirt off in front of teachers and have a huge religious flame war.

People can believe what they want, and you can`t force people to change their minds. I believe abortion is only murder once the thing in your belly has actually taken a human form - for a time it`s just a big ball of cells and genes (but never is it mailed to you by "God"). But some believe differently. Obviously this 7th grader is against it, and that`s fine.

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Male 30
They had her remove it because it showed images of growing babies, not because it was pro-life.

Think about it, would you want to eat with pictures of babies in the womb in front of you?

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Male 182
She`s pro-life. She doesn`t deserve rights.
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Female 895
GOOD! Zing said it best, once you disallow one, you have to disallow them all. The fact the mother is SUEING over this, just shows what a psycho right wing christian she is. It`s a school, it is not a place to push ideas, religion or beliefs.
Because of this brainwashing people like my poor little sister, have been teased by others that if she doesn`t "go to church, she`s going to hell."

A child should not be involved in controversy, case in point!

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Male 34
"Religion is the cause of all wars?
Cold War, World War I, World War II, Holocaust, the Mongols, Romans, Russia, China, etc."

holocaust - ethnic clensing of germany, getting rid of hebrews

cold war - Commies=atheism

WWII - see holocaust

Romans - see the bible

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Female 428
Problem solved = school uniforms or no words/graphics of any kind on school clothing. Unfortunately it is a very unregulated issue. Some things that you think would get the same kind of treatment are ignored while things that start up this sort of controversy are not. If she had been in high school going to debate class and abortion was the subject of that days debate, the shirt would have most likely been ignored.
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Male 4,290
[quote]Abortion is murder no matter how you try to justify it (rape and incest included) ...God sent that baby to that woman(and though unfortunately in some cases girl) for a reason.[/quote]


Hold the phone. You`re saying:
1) God sends all children for a reason (part of "God`s plan" no doubt)
2) Abortion in the case of rape or incest is still against God`s will

So therefore, God wants people to be raped and have incestuous sex, so that he can send them children as per his plan. We shouldn`t abort said children, because God wants them to be alive.

God is in favour of rape and incest. Message received.

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Female 386
THE POINT IS THIS

THERE IS NO F*CKING CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS IN A SCHOOL
END OF STORY

Example: Its against the contitution for them to take your cell phone againt your will, because its your property, but it must be done!

Thats how a school stays running. If a school were to allow EVERY constitutional right, it would be much like
idk
THE WORLD!
schools are for learning not debating your views and getting into fights with other kids because of it.

So power to the principals of that school, well done

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Male 1
The point is they`re covering their own asses, not forcing their views on someone. They would have done exactly the same thing if someone was wearing a pro-choice t-shirt because it would create unwanted controversy. The fact is, as soon as you walk onto a school campus, you relinquish all of your constitutional rights, sad, but true…
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Male 4,546
Religion is the cause of all wars?
Cold War, World War I, World War II, Holocaust, the Mongols, Romans, Russia, China, etc.

Religion accounts for very little. Even those that are exceptionally associated with Religion (Israel/Palestine) can be more attributed to Land (and whose it is), Colonial dratups (promising the land to two separate groups).

The problem with the vitriolic secularism of that kind "all we need to worry about is religion", makes you blind to the real causes of these and you are doomed to repeat them.

That is dangerous and stupid, and why I am really opposed to the support of those views.

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Male 2,229
i say this news article is suspect because its `fox news` that`s reporting it
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Female 11
It saddens me to hear this story (even though I am 100% pro choice). She had every right to wear the shirt. That is about the least threatening or obnoxious way to voice your opinion. Schools shouldn`t be a place that is always PC; open peoples minds and try to at least understand the other side (hopefully without teachers pushing their own agenda).

I can`t, rather I won`t begin to point out the offensive and sad logic of Satkela. But for her sake, I hope she is never raped. Not to mention that any "God" argument "should" be a weak one in a "political society" that claims "separation of church and state".

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Male 79
Here we go. Once again school districts shoving their own agendas down young childrens` throats. Leaving all religious debate out of these, although it`s obvious that it`s going to happen anyway, people have the right to believe whatever they want, and say what they think is right. While I don`t choose to side with the pro-life movement (just as Christianity and Islam have been causing the biggest problems with war *and have been for centuries*, Pro-lifers have been known to burn down abortion centers, send death threats to abortion doctors, etc.), I will fight to the death for those peoples` rights to say what they think is right.
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Male 5,189
Who cares? Let her wear what she wants.
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Male 188
... then again, my buddy did get in trouble in High School for wearing a shirt that said, Hetero-Pride. Maybe this isn`t that uncommon.
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Male 188
wow... There was absolutely nothing wrong with that shirt. It wasn`t even demeaning to Pro-choicers. I don`t get it. How is a picture of a fetus, or her particular political view offensive? How is it bad for her to think that a fetus is a human being, no matter what side of the argument you`re on? All that shirt said was that a baby is growing and then it is dead. Pro-choice or Pro-life, all she did was express her beliefs about the sanctity of something she considers to be alive. I hope the school goes down in flames.
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Female 584
This is what`s wrong with American Society today. She was just expressing her rights and she was promoting what GOD wants us to uphold. It sickens me to think that just a few decades ago women thought that the inability to have a baby was a curse but now if loose Lucy gets knocked up in college her choice is to "get rid of it" because it`ll ruin her life. Abortion is murder no matter how you try to justify it (rape and incest included) call me barbaric or unfeeling if you want to but I know one thing to be true...God sent that baby to that woman(and though unfortunately in some cases girl) for a reason. Life begins at conception and God has a purpose for each of those lives. When you abort you`re messing with God`s plan. It seems whenever someone tries to things God`s way others try to hinder it and take away their rights like in `08 "Day of Silence" for Homosexuals if you choose to read this article:
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Male 4,546
Ok, "No homosexuals in Iran" has 2 Anti religious comments. (1 lie, 1 insult)
0 anti secular.
1 anti homosexual.
1 pro religious.
Many pro homosexual.

Anything else I should check Davy?

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Male 4,546
Misuri: And are still abortable for 2.5 more months.

Davy, you`re on.

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Male 4,593
Too bad that kid`s mom didn`t have an abortion. Would`ve solved the issue.
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Female 407
who. cares.
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Male 126
eh i didnt read the whole article, but when i was in school i was always told that once you entered the school building you loose your rights and you have to comply with what ever the teacher/administrator/school cop told you to do and the whole changing your shirt thing if it seems offensive in the slightest happened all the time. hell girls couldn`t even wear certain types of tank tops
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Male 511
im not concerned with this story about the abortion tee. but the fact the superintendant told a 7th grader to go topless. what no paedophilia charges?

but back to the tee. she coulda worn an anti-abortion tee that said the same thing w/o putting the fetus growing piccies on it. there might be people in that school, who ot preggers and had an abortion, and that tee makes them feel even more guilty and depressed. and then there are those who are pregnant and dont want to be told what she should do with an unborn group of cells, which dont get conscious thought until the 3.5month mark.

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Male 12,138
[quote]Count:
Intolerance from seculars in this thread: 3
From the religious: 0

I can`t find an IAB thread that is the reverse.[/quote]

I don`t have the time to go making counts Baal, but pick any thread on homosexuality. Probably a good place to start.

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Male 26
I see your point, tie died. Where do we draw the line in the sand when in comes to expressing personal opinions in public institutions? But I would say the line is drawn more based on her age and the parents` obvious responsibility for this. Most of us have been through highschool, and we all remember the different "cliques"(The goths, the jocks, the geeks etc). So appearently at that level all matters of opinion are constituted in the right of the constitution. However, they are obviously using their daughter as a means to get their message across, and I believe the principal must also have seen this, and "forced" her to change shirts to prevent her parents from succeeding and to prevent this poor girl to be humiliated. If I remember corrently, I cant really say I had any clear thoughts on politics and ethics when I was 11-12. Besides, ill bet the site makes it out to be more dramatic than it was. They probably just told her to change shirts, because he tshirt was
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Male 4,546
I love that:

1) The people arguing this is ok are the same people pissed off that a kid had to take off that Pro-Obama shirt.

2) That your values mean nothing to you. "Yeah well her opinion is anti-choice, so she should have no choices". What the hell happened to "I detest what you say, but I defend your right to say it". Oh that`s right, you only mean it when it is in your favour.

3) That you believe she`s anti choice. You are quite frankly an imbecile if you believe the pro-life movement is anti-choice. If it were the case they`d protest against starbucks, not abortion. There`s a reason they don`t.

4) That the religious intolerance is still coming flooding from the seculars, and they still don`t see it. Yup. THOSE dratERS OVER THERE ARE INTOLERANT! NO HYPOCRISY OVER HERE! WE RULE! WOOHOO!

Count:
Intolerance from seculars in this thread: 3
From the religious: 0

I can`t find an IAB thread that is the reverse.

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Female 214
I don`t think they had a right to tell that girl to take off her t-shirt unless it was being disruptive to school. Where do you draw the line with the political messages that you can have on a t-shirt then? What if she was wearing a shirt that said "Vote for ---" or "Fur is murder", would she have been forced to take it off?
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Male 500
One thing that I DO love about this site is the very intelligent people, and that religious nutters are few and far between. Us Europeans can breath a sigh of relief that not all Americans are theocratical nutcases with their heads up their a*ses.
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Female 4
The way I see it, the position she espouses is that people shouldn`t have the right to choose what to do with their own bodies. So, someone else (the principal) has decided that she can`t clothe her body the way she would like to. Which is nothing worse than the view she promotes anyway. So, by her own logic, there can`t be any problem with what the principal did. Unless she`s a hypocrite - but who ever heard of a Christian being hypocritical, right?

Having said that, she is a child and can`t possibly understand the ramifications of her t-shirt and I question her mother`s judgement.

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Male 12,138
Happy First Post, Omega. Welcome to IAB.
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Male 16
Thank you somnum, its good to see there are people out there with both intelligence and common sense. I couldn`t agree with you more.
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Male 19
What 7th Grader is still in school?
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Male 1,383
Hmmm, this is a tricky one, I wouldn`t FORCE the girl to take it off, but then again I think that suing the school is perhaps a bit extreme for a t-shirt that is controversial.
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Male 4,680
Am I the only one who thinks that refusing to let a 7th grader wear a shirt about abortion is common sense...?
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Male 26
In my opinion, the parents were silly to send her off to school with this in the first place. There is no way a 7thgrader has a reflected and unbiased opinion on such a serious and delicate matter, so this is obviously some sort of publicity-stunt for a couple of parents who feel the best way to get their word across is through their kids. This being said, I come from norway, where you can pretty much show up for school in a thong and a leather gag(irony), and I still think this is a bit out of line(if ive understood how dress-codes work in US schools right) Sure, she has a right to free speech, but there are two things called social intelligence and decency that stop 99% of all people from doing stuff like this in the first place. My point is that if she should be able to wear this tshirt, then I, as an atheist, should be able to wear a shirt that says "The bible belongs in the fiction section" or "God is dead". After all, I have a freedom of speech and those are j
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Male 56
The issue that the school is gonna push and the issue that the courts will look in to is wether or not there is a compelling interest for the school to remove that shirt. which a) there is b) the girl as a minor is not entitled to freedom of speech within a school setting. C) The school acting in loco parentis of the other children can say that it was in the childrens best interest to have the shirt removed.
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Male 157
Oh and babies are parasites anyway...think about it. You know I`m right.
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Male 157
She has no right`s as a student and won`t have rights until she`s eighteen. Freedom of speech does not apply to a 7th grader nor any other constitutional right. If anything is another teen who wants their 15 minutes of fame. Besides the school had every right to have her take off the shirt. The parents signed a contract that allows the school to enforce any policy it pleases. School wins. Parents lose. Girl is an idiot. World ends due to peoples inability to read fine print and understand the constitution.
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Male 1,270
Purely from a communicative point of view, the article is horrendous.

"ordered by her principal to change her shirt"

"mistreated her daughter"

"ordered her to leave the cafeteria"


Is this a problem with a T-Shirt, or rape? This is why I hate the news.

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Female 1,682
Though i do admit the school is kinda uptight, the images werent THAT graphic in the first place >.>
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Female 1,682
Eh. I mean yeah, its our right to do so and so. But ....if rules state you cant wear things with "blank blank and blank" on it. Then dont. Because you know that your just going to get in trouble. Why try to go against it. That annoys me so much. Rules are rules, yeah they f*cking suck, but its either that or have to deal with this sh*t when she coulda just worn it somewhere else one time. I mean really it depends i think we should be allowed to wear what we want, seriously. But if there ARE rules saying no, then just STFU and do what they say and stop causing problems to get attention.
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Female 395
one of the girls lawyers said it best when he said `this was a young girl, not even in high school`. so she wasn`t in high school wearing an offensive pro-life tshirt and they are trying to sue? really??

her parent first of all bought her the inappropriate tshirt, probably saw her that morning before she went to school in said tshirt, and still let her go to a school. a school which has young children in it. her parents clearly have a screw loose to consider buying her this t-shirt, let alone sueing because the school wouldn`t let her wear it. they need to be given classes in what is appropriate for children, because this was not. i would have many things to say to another parent if their child rocked up to my daughters school wearing a shirt like that, and i`m sure if i voiced my pro-choice opinions on my child i would face the wrath of some parents.

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Male 7
Looking at my school`s dress code, this seems to fall under the category of sexual reference.
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Male 70
in my opinion (strictly that)I couldn`t care less what a person has on their shirt. Yet,if i were to walk around the school with a shirt that says," abortion tickles." or something to that extent,people would be up in arms. But what exactly is offensive about that statement? Maybe abortions DO tickle? is that not just a statement then? Or should they say that it`s making a vulgar joke about it, i see no cuss words, no vulgar ones at all. And for someone to say that it puts a mental image of the vulgar act of abortions into a young child`s mind, is that not what`s happening with the pro life shirt? I see a fetus growing in 2 pictures, and in the 3rd, it`s gone.I think that puts more of an image of an abortion then anything else.
in my honest opinion i don`t think the school was justified, yet had it of been someone pro choice with their statement on the front it would hit the fan.so is the shirt vulgar or is the school really just trying to stop an argument before it starts
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Female 1,412
for an elementary school, its a little bit too mature to be exposing to younger kids who have no idea what sex even is, let alone abortion. i understand her side, too, though. it is her right in public school, but it may be against the dress code which overrules that...
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Female 5,222
i think they were wrong to make her take off the shirt. everyone has their opinions
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Male 2,552
Interesting. I can wear a shirt with drug pills on them. I can wear a shirt with harassing (but slightly funny) comments on them. But not a shirt that contains two pictures of fetuses and a blank picture. Very interesting. And sad.
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Male 17,511
guitarjunky: "....to say your no better than a worm isnt far off in the sense that in the grand scheme of things we are just as minuscule and unimportant as a worm. nothing we can do will have a everlasting impact."

Do you realize the impact of cheapening human life to the level of an invertebrate ? It allows the power elite of the world to justify euthanasia, forced sterilization, and compulsory abortion.

If you don`t realize those are the end goals of liberalism then you are nothing but an apparatchik.

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Male 276
she should have obliged and said "ok", and forced the school to decide if it was right that they made her go topless in school
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Female 4,028
Of course there`s suing involved... People sue over f-ckall these days.

I`m wondering if the shirt was against the rules though. I mean, it`s not an infringement on rights when the school has rules regarding dress code. A kid can`t walk around with a shirt that has nudity, expletives, or drug paraphernalia displayed, after all.

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Male 439
I think messages like these should be kept out of school personally, but then again i do think it`s a freedom that we should have. The school was wrong to force it and the other party are artards for suing.
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Male 3,842
"You are going straight to hell for that comment."
If you actually believe in hell, you`re hopelessly evil, and no one should ever take you seriously.
*****

"Go to Hell" is just an expression, it does not actually imply a literal belief in Hell.

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Male 413
Fox news and pro-life, who would have thought it
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Female 443
Oh I almost forgot; the ACLU on the rights of expression by students in public school.
http://www.aclupa.org/education/students...

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Male 395
Pro-Life or Anti-Choice?
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Female 443
Ugh, this is lame. That school should just get uniforms. But looking at a similar case it looks like she could win a suit against the school ...

Also, I hate when people sue for crap like this. She doesn`t need monetary compensation, she didn`t lose any money. Any pain/suffering caused by this will not me undone with a cash award.

Finally, as a student and a minor, in a school, you do NOT have the same rights as you have out side of that school. Nor do you share the same rights that adults enjoy.

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Male 1,825
As george carlin said, we don`t have rights, we have privelages
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Male 3
"OH God, here we go... isn`t there anything better to do with our time beside making some teen change her shirt because it says Pro_Life?"
it has pictures of fetuses on it thats ridiculous for a school that has kindergartners in it.
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Male 3
"This is how human life gets cheapened and not held to it`s rightful higher place. That`s right, You`re no better than a worm according to liberals."
but to say your no better than a worm isnt far off in the sense that in the grand scheme of things we are just as minuscule and unimportant as a worm. nothing we can do will have a everlasting impact.
and as far as abortion goes why should anyone care if someone they probably never met decides to abort the fetus it honestly doesnt affect most people, the only two people who should be allowed a opinion are the mother and the father (of the unborn child)
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Female 572
OH God, here we go... isn`t there anything better to do with our time beside making some teen change her shirt because it says Pro_Life? That is so backwards. If they are so dammed concerned why don`t they make em wear uniforms? I hate what the world has become.
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Male 2,506
Also, was I the only one expecting to be a pedo for once?
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Male 2,506
Dress codes, they contain the ban hammer.
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Male 17,511
Dextrine: "And before you say "OMG DUN RELATE WORMS TO PEOPLE!" yes, i am relating them. we are all just animals."

This is how human life gets cheapened and not held to it`s rightful higher place. That`s right, You`re no better than a worm according to liberals. This goes beyond abortion, It`s also in the animal rights and global warming camps.

To them, Humans are the source of all problems on the Earth. They also believe that large populations of people need to be sterilized. According to Obama`s Science Czar John Holdren "Indeed, it has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing Constitution if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society." And even more.

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Female 30
"Well, someone can grown physically without growing mentally, you know. You think that 5 year old girl that somehow got knocked up would`ve had the same mental capacity?"

And your point? We`re not talking about a 5 year old girl, we`re talking about a thirteen year old girl, and it is entirely possible for thirteen year old girls to form opinions that are not dictated by their parents. It`s not a certainty, but the possibility is great enough that you can`t just assume she is mindlessly regurgitating her parents` beliefs.

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Male 3
this is an argument of pro-choice or pro-life the girl had picture of a freaking fetus on her shirt in an elementary school that kind of thing is completely inappropriate for little kids.
and even if it didnt have a fetus on it its still inappropriate for kids and had it been a pro-choice shirt im sure it still would have been removed. schools have dress codes, get over it.
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Male 17,511
Dilldog: "And I`ve always wondered why Pro-Life people think that Pro-Choice is another term for Anti-Life."

Why ? Because what infuriates the Pro-life movement more than anything is the Pro-Choice adherance that an abortion doesn`t end a life.
Of course it ends a life! And it`s beyond moronic to argue that it doesn`t.

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Male 483
I`m saying you have FULL knowledge that you WILL, with absolute certainty, get a tapeworm if you eat the sandwich. If you still eat the sandwich, don`t you still have the right to kill the tapeworm? And before you say "OMG DUN RELATE WORMS TO PEOPLE!" yes, i am relating them. we are all just animals. unfortunately we`re the only ones who get all upset over what the other is doing when it doesn`t hurt us in any way.
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Male 928
"You are going straight to hell for that comment."

If you actually believe in hell, you`re hopelessly evil, and no one should ever take you seriously.

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Male 336
Good for the school. There are no rights in America, quit acting like there are.
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Male 928
"Oh and relating pro-choice to things such as being educated or being a progressive thinker is bullpoo. Education is the exact thing that led me to the belief it`s wrong. Do some drating research you morons."

I have done some research. And I wonder how my research was supposed to reveal that you personally were led to believe that abortion is wrong through your education. Anyways, education inversely correlates with religiosity, meaning that the more educated you are the less likely you are to be religious. And being pro-life correlates with religiosity. Therefore, educated people are probably more likely to be pro-choice, even though I couldn`t find a study that directly links education and views on abortion. There are millions of exceptions, of course, where well-educated people take a pro-life position. But I almost guarantee you that education correlates with being pro-choice.

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Male 3
Dex you don`t eat food with tapeworms to have a baby. You get a dick put in your vagina with full knowledge of the outcome that happens after wards. PREGNANCY!

Yea I can definetly see the "education" of you the "progressive" thinkers here. What a D-Bag.

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Male 928
Well, if we`re going to be rational and utilitarian, then we should admit that the value of life is dependent on the ability of a given organism to experience pleasure or pain, and that it is wrong to destroy life only to the extent that it is capable of enjoying its existence or suffering from its demise. From this perspective, it is acceptable to destroy a fetus at early stages of pregnancy. However, most people think that the value of life depends on the species to which it belongs or the presence of a soul. But of course there is no such thing as a soul, and consciousness is entirely a product of the physical mind.

That being said, I think this girl should have been allowed to wear her shirt and I think it`s outrageous and oppressive that she would be required not to wear it. Of course, I`m against almost all censorship, and I see no reason why a student shouldn`t be allowed to wear a shirt that says, for example, "c*ntwaffle."

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Male 483
Were I a woman, I would fully exercise my right to kill any parasite in my body.

If I am hungry and eat a sandwich that I KNEW had tapeworms in it, should I not have the choice to kill it once it starts growing?

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Male 330
If a kid has the right to "free speech" in school the girl could where a shirt that said " I like to smoke big fat man poles" ..Would that be okay? Give me a break people. School have rules. The end.
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Male 3
Oh and relating pro-choice to things such as being educated or being a progressive thinker is bullpoo. Education is the exact thing that led me to the belief it`s wrong. Do some drating research you morons.
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Male 901
people who are against abortion are either children who understand nothing of what it`s about, or religious people.

Nobody in a right state of mind can think that abortion is wrong.

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Male 617
makes me sick. america is going fast...
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Male 3
Sorry as soon as a woman decides to have sex she just lost her choice. That`s what most people aren`t understanding. You made the choice to have sex and you should accept the consequences. Period. You can give the baby up for adoption or for a family the needs a baby and can`t actually conceive. I love how people will justify murder by questioning when life even begins. I believe abortions should only be used in extreme situations such as rape, but even then I feel it`s wrong to kill a baby who has no voice to defend itself. Now-A-Days abortions are so common they`re being called a contraceptive by some liberals. Notice I said SOME. Not all. Killing babies is a birth control? What pieces of garbage.

In the end it is legal to do, but being legal doesn`t make it right. People need to take responsibility. Killing an unborn baby and justifying is the most laughable bull poo I`ve ever heard. Keep telling yourselves it`s "okay"

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Female 77
Her constitutional rights were violated but, I think that school hold authority over that right. I could be wrong, I just vaguely recall hearing something along the lines of that in high school about....four years ago...

Anyhow, I completely oppose dress codes of any kind, as people have the right to express themselves in any setting.

However, I always wonder how much of the "pro-life" support given by people under the age of sixteen is actually instilled in them by their overbearing parents. When she`s older and more educated, she`ll probably begin to lean toward pro-choice. I don`t think parents have the right to try and force such strong opinions on their children. It`s wrong and a form of bad parenting.

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Male 3,842
"isnt your job in the military to kill people in a war that was illegal in the first place?"

You are going straight to hell for that comment. None of the people in the military WANT to have to kill anybody. They have to defend our national interest as defined by the commander-in-chief, whether they like it or not. Sometimes that involves going into dangerous situations where you must kill or be killed. They`re putting themselves in danger for our country, for me and for you. Show a little appreciation!

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Male 2,605
"Who says the government should control a woman`s body?"

Pro-lifers.

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Male 606
Who says the government should control a woman`s body?
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Male 3,842
"It`s like saying this. You have a wife and kids. Some punk-ass gangster decides to put a bomb on your front door. It goes off, though nobody is hurt. What will you do? Will you act like nothing happened? Will you file a complaint to the police? Or will you defend your honor and take that matter into your own hands, with brains?"

Am I not understanding your analogy when I say that I will file a complaint with the police, without any doubt

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Male 97
*The issue really comes down to "when does life begin?" or more specifically, "when does the fetus have all the rights of a normal human being?" If you think it begins at the moment of conception, then the mother`s right to choose doesn`t really matter because the fetus`s "right to live" will trump the mother`s right to choose. If you think it begins at the third trimester, then anything goes until then. At birth, then anything goes until birth.

Until 5 years old, then anything goes until the baby turns 5.

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Male 55
I`ll say I`m pro-life right off the bat so you can immediately discredit my viewpoint.

If it were a shirt that said "Satan Rocks!", the school PROBABLY wouldn`t have asked her to take it off, and if they did, it probably would have blossomed into a spectacular press day. It`s his personal belief and conviction that Satan Rocks. If she`s violating a pre-determined code of conduct at her school, go ahead and take the shirt. If the school is just angry because the kid knows how to be controversial and the board of education is full of liberals, she had every right to wear the shirt in my opinion.

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Male 97
@lillian

I don`t completely follow your reasoning as to why my analogy fails. Yes, there are differences between fetuses and babies that are born, but I don`t think those differences you stated are important enough for me to see it your way. In other words, I don`t see how those differences destroys the analogy or does not somehow make you think about the extent or limits of abortion being done for convenience purposes.

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Female 35
listen i think pro choice is foolish and i disagree with the idea. With that said schools do some of the dumbest poo i have ever seen. Seriously talk about a group of control freaks. Grow up. Makes sense why the school system is doing so terrible right now
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Male 1,557
Although I`m Pro-Choice, this girl shouldn`t have been asked to remove her shirt really, even if it was a sort of "come and have an arguement!" shirt.
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Male 599
It shouldn`t be considered "inappropriate subject matter" when, as the article says, the images on the shirt were the same as what was in the science textbooks that were used at the school. Forcing her to remove the shirt had nothing to do with subject matter, but everything to do with what the shirt was saying, which is a violation of that girl`s freedom of speech.
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Female 2,674
Nope. The majority of abortions are of women who use protection, you acted as if none do.
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Male 240
right`s violated.. that is all.
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Male 7,933
"Also, protection fails. You cannot assume that every pregnant person got pregnant because of not using protection. For all you know, the woman aborting out of "convenience" was one of the unlucky few who used both the birth control pill and a condom but still ended up pregnant. No birth control method is 100% effective."

Are those straws your reaching for?

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Female 2,674
primetimekin, the analogy is never correct for any situation. No matter what, a woman has to stay pregnant with the embryo/fetus or abort it. She does not have the option of giving it away right then and there. People with already born children have that option. Thus, the analogy completely fails.

Also, protection fails. You cannot assume that every pregnant person got pregnant because of not using protection. For all you know, the woman aborting out of "convenience" was one of the unlucky few who used both the birth control pill and a condom but still ended up pregnant. No birth control method is 100% effective.

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Male 82
I don`t think an economic sabotage is equal to war crimes, unless killing unnecessarily. And I never said that we should do so if they do. I quote: "I say drat `em and put their mind at ease by using the force and will of this country if it comes to using force"

I want to emphasize the last 6 words...if it comes to using force. Not saying it`s my first option, but the U.S. is the most powerful country in the world. Iran has threatened us before, and they mess with us, we`ll mess with them right back.

It`s like saying this. You have a wife and kids. Some punk-ass gangster decides to put a bomb on your front door. It goes off, though nobody is hurt. What will you do? Will you act like nothing happened? Will you file a complaint to the police? Or will you defend your honor and take that matter into your own hands, with brains?

BTW, Teddy Roosevelt, Big Stick Policy. It worked for him. It worked for his cousin. (check facts, might not have been cousin)

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Male 7,933
"If she can wear that I should be able to wear my `rape an endangered species` shirt on `rape an endangered species day`. "

Theres a rape an endangered species day???

Why have I not been inform.

*goes to eBay

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Male 315
If she can wear that I should be able to wear my `rape an endangered species` shirt on `rape an endangered species day`.
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Male 7,933
"mercedzdanz, that analogy does not EVER make sense no matter the reason for the abortion."

got to disagree there, if the reason is for convenience.

If you drat without a rubber ducky, then the mothers convenience shouldn`t matter.

And to piss off Dr. Seuss enthusiast... a life is a life no matter how tiny*

*paraphrased as to not get sued

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Female 837
I`m not joining the debate, because it is pointless, but I will say my opinion on the shirt.

I think that it`s offensive because it makes light of something that is very very serious. I`m all for people being able to express their opinions, but this is just a tasteless way of doing so. The images and the play on the phrase "going, going, gone" is just crude and unnecessary.

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Male 180
I`m going to go buy myself a pro-choice tshirt and wear it to school first thing summer vacation`s over.
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Female 2,674
mercedzdanz, that analogy does not EVER make sense no matter the reason for the abortion. Like I said in my reply, the parents can give the kid away if they don`t want it anymore. You can`t give away a fetus or an embryo if you don`t want it, it has to grow inside the woman or it dies (until a certain point in the pregnancy, of course). It directly affects her life and she has no way around that except keeping it or aborting it, whereas a parent with an already born child can just give their kid to someone else, they aren`t restricted to keeping or killing.

I don`t agree with late term abortions if the fetus/child is able to be born alive. There is no reason to kill it if it can live outside the womb. If she is having a late term abortion for whatever reason and it is alive as it`s coming out and poses no harm for being alive, there is no reason to kill it because once it`s out it is no longer a "keep or kill only" situation.

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Male 1,375
never said that the U.S. hasnt we have done a lot you just never hear about them look up economic assassination we are unbelievably famous for it we send someone into another country who through a set up of dummy corporations and funding through our government can easily sabotage a countries entire economy and cause a social revolt its what we like to do when we are not so friendly with their government war crime no but equally as drated up. the mindset im talking about is if they do it so should we that your talking about
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Female 1,004
"Ok, what about a baby 9 months into the pregnancy? Is it ok for the mother to abort it? What if the mother was contracting?"

......wouldn`t that `abortion` then be renamed `C-section`? And isn`t it illegal by that point?

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Male 7,933
paco, that wasnt really graphic or gorey...if it had a dead fetus then yes it would be.
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Male 1,064
was it the two pictures the school was worried about? my school dresscode clearly states "no graphic/gorey images"
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Male 82
Primetimekin:
Got it. Thanks for clearing that up. I knew that they were together in the movement somehow.
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Male 7,933
"Moscow, it could easily fall into the "other inappropriate subject matter" category."

So easy that the court is deciding to take up the case?

Sure its a gray area but saying its easy is a bigger stretch than the marks on a pregnant lady (see how i made that somewhat relevant.)

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Male 97
So I think you are for abortion when it poses a life threat to the mother. I may agree on that as well.

However, my main analogy was placed because most abortions are done for convenience (money, not the right time in my life, not mature enough, etc.), and the "life-threatening" ones are rarely the case. Since most abortions are done for convenience purposes, it makes sense to make that analogy.

Ok, what about a baby 9 months into the pregnancy? Is it ok for the mother to abort it? What if the mother was contracting?

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Male 82
sunny: I never even tried to suggest we "drop our actions to that of a third world country". The U.S. has done war crimes in history, not many, but the U.S. has done some.

And my "mindset": what about it do are you against? Which aspects of my mindset are you against? That war is necessary, in circumstances? That I believe that to stop evil is to do evil? If it being the latter, I could see how that is controversial, without doubt.

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Female 2,674
Moscow, it could easily fall into the "other inappropriate subject matter" category.
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Male 36
there is nothing wrong with that t-shirt being worn in a public school. it does not violate any of the school dress code rules in that it does not contain "suggestion of tobacco, drug or alcohol use, sexual promiscuity, profanity, vulgarity, or other inappropriate subject matter."
she had every right to wear that shirt, the school was way out of line.
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Male 7,933
"Oh yes, children are entitled to all sorts of misinformed opinions their parents deemed appropriate for them to have."

No hugs from mommy overmann?

"Wasn`t it Martin Luther King, Jr. the one who asked Rosa Parks to do her protest?"

Rosa parks just didn`t want to sit in the back. It was after MLK protested that she "joined" the movement

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Male 1,375
I get what your saying airleet but I`d rather live in a country that is above that. Dropping to the actions of a third world country is beneath us and we should stick to the ideals we have that were put in place so that war crimes and genocides would not be something done by the U.S. but its useless when people have a mindset such as yours
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Male 7,933
"Schools are not subject to the same `right to freedom of speech` laws as other public arena. Same reason it is still unlawful to have a gun on campus here in Texas."

Schools do have right to freedom of speech, but its not as free as outside school.

"I hope that girl is against war and execution though. And vegetarianism wouldn`t be too bad either. I can totally understand being against abortion. But the Pro-life thing is ridiculous. You`d have to be against all killing!"

I`m pro-life, pro-meat, and pro-war. Animals are tasty and war is necessary at times. I`m 75-25 on executions leaning towards no though.

"A school can forbid its students from wearing anything it wants. It`s called a dress code."

But its pre-determined and agreed to by the students in the beginning of the school year. My school is uniform, so everything has to be uniform.

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Male 82
v Just asking v
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Female 2,674
mercedzdanz, that "point" you`re trying to make is irrelevant. A child who is already born poses no threat to its mothers life and it isn`t required for her to take care of it. If she doesn`t want to be the mother, she can let someone else take care of it. Once a child is born, it is no longer attached to the parent and thus the parent has no right to kill it.

We aren`t pro murdering people. We are pro the choices involved in a pregnancy. We are pro women having those choices for multiple reasons. Arguing about people wanting to kill their living children is idiotic.

I could easily call pro life people not pro life (and pro death/pro killing) because they kill bacteria every time they wash their hands, that`s not pro the life of the bacteria.. :X

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Male 82
"Rosa Parks going to jail didn`t affect MLK, he still protested."

Wasn`t it Martin Luther King, Jr. the one who asked Rosa Parks to do her protest?

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Male 214
I`m not real crazy about a parent using their child as a political piece... if the parents want to talk about abortion, pro or con, fine... talk away... leave the kids out of the conversation though... at least kids that young anyway.
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Male 7,933
"hahaha isnt your job in the military to kill people in a war that was illegal in the first place? yeah killing people justified by the stupid mistakes people make........hypocritical five!"

My douché senses are tingling

"School is a place to learn not to spread untrue propaganda. Now if it showed a growing embryo/fetus in the stage that abortions typically happen, it`d be fine."

But there are late term abortions performed at times. So just because it isn`t common doesn`t mean its untrue.

"Someone else getting an abortion or not believing in God or anything isn`t gonna affect YOU."

There`s conventional morality and post-conventional morality. Rosa Parks going to jail didn`t affect MLK, he still protested.

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Male 2,605
"7th Graders can have opinions too"

Oh yes, children are entitled to all sorts of misinformed opinions their parents deemed appropriate for them to have.

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Male 97
@LillianDulci, I can see that.

I`m not promoting any side, but what if there is a group of people, mothers/fathers, that wants to exterminate the life of their babies or toddlers that are already born or alive? Would you let their "pro-choice" right stand? Would you think that at that point, they are "pro-death?"

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Male 7,933
"The First Amendment prohibits the government from restricting free speech. Her school is not run by the government. They`re allowed to enforce whatever dress code they may have as they see fit. It`s not like she needs to be wearing that poo to school."

It is funded by the gov`t,and my guess is that if a uniform isn`t enforced, then that isn`t prohibited.


And for all the her mom made her wear that comments. 7th Graders can have opinions too

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Male 1,788
"If this is what you`re referring to then freedom of speech on college is not a federal constitutional issue and is therefore regulated by the state constitution."

No the tenth amendment seperates the powers. The 14th has a section about due process which applies the bill of rights to the states, not just the federal government. Before this it had generally been thought that the bill of rights did not apply to state governments.

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Male 2,605
"Its so easy for us to talk about abortion now, afterall we werent aborted..."

And all the would-be people who were aborted have no tangible effect on the rest of us, so what`s your point? Life goes on or it doesn`t. Either case, women still have the right to choose, and no soppy lament on your part can or should change that.

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Male 79
crap i didn`t proof read my comment please ignore it
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Male 2,605
No, her First Amendment rights were not violated. Children in school have no right to free expression. No one is saying the kid can`t wear the shirt anywhere else but school.
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Male 15,510
That is so great that we could be born. That we could grow and become kids, adults, fathers and mothers. Its so easy for us to talk about abortion now, afterall we werent aborted...
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Male 34
Bremir makes a good point.
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Female 1,004
Ubersloth> Well, someone can grown physically without growing mentally, you know. You think that 5 year old girl that somehow got knocked up would`ve had the same mental capacity?
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Male 702
@ Old Ollie
I think you mean the tenth amendment, `police powers`.
"The powers not delegated to the united states by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."
If this is what you`re referring to then freedom of speech on college is not a federal constitutional issue and is therefore regulated by the state constitution. In which case this entire discussion is academic unless anyone here is actually familiar with the state constitution of where ever this little debacle took place.
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Male 79
well if it is offensive i don`t think you are allowed to ware it at my school witch is public u can`t wear a shirt depicting drugs nudity or swear words u can`t wear it but they don`t force u to take it of u just get a slip if you come back to school wearing it again.
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Male 82
I`ve read about the My Lai Massacre. I know about the Geneva Code. If we are fighting an enemy who is not going with this code, I say drat `em and put their mind at ease by using the force and will of this country if it comes to using force. And I don`t think you`ll help your own argument by rashing out and calling me names.

Oh yea, about my mom. You ARE right about her, she DID have severe depression when she was "popping my dumbass" out of her. And she STILL is depressed to this day. Your point?

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Male 97
Free Speech Issue:

If the speech materially disrupts classwork or involves substantial disorder or invasion of the rights of others, then teachers can suppress those speech.

Does the abortion t-shirt materially disrupt or cause substantial disorder in the rights of others? Maybe, maybe not. It all depends on how the Supreme Court wants to interpret the "Bong hit for Jesus" case. Chances are, the student will prevail over the school.

Abortion issue:
The current rule is that nobody can cause an undue burden on the mother`s choice to abort her fetus before the third trimester. Because by then, the "fetus" becomes a "person," and people are protected under the constitution.

The question is, are fetuses people? Apparently not until they reach the third trimester.

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Male 79
Wearing anything that publicly showcases one`s political/religious/whatever beliefs is always asking for trouble. Considering this was a public elementary school I`m not surprised she was forced to take off her shirt.

I`m not saying she shouldn`t be allowed to wear that shirt, just that wearing it to a school with kids as young as that isn`t bright.

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Female 3,562
"School administrators have a mission to educate, and the student’s right to political speech should be protected in balance with this education mission."

And this is proof that these people are retarded. Never has a school followed the ideal of free speech. The school has a right to determine what is an offensive shirt. If they didn`t, you KNOW kids will come in with shirts even worse than this. Imagine a shirt with Jesus raping a child. I`ve seen shirts like this. Imagine allowing that in school.
Now how the hell is that different from this?

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Male 392
To be fair, I don`t see the problem with them asking her to take it off. I`m starting to believe the people who wear these shirts just want to piss people off, and get their name in the news.

People are throwing the "freedom of speech" crap around a lot these days. I feel it`s acceptable to a certain degree, but there`s a point where you cross the line.

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Female 30
I would also like to point out to those of you saying that her mom put her up to wearing the shirt that it is not unreasonable to expect that a female old enough to get pregnant might have taken the time to form an opinion about the morality of ending a pregnancy.
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Female 2,674
mercedzdanz, pro choice people are pro CHOICE. We aren`t pro aborting every fetus, most of us wish abortions didn`t have to happen. A lot of pro choice people hate abortions but still want them to be legal. A lot of pro choice people would never abort. A lot of pro choice people are only okay with it in some situations but realize that if you restrict them it makes it hard/impossible for those people to get abortions. We AREN`T pro death or anti life or whatever. We are pro CHOICE.
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Female 151
Middle school dress codes are very strict. If she was in high school,then it would be infringement of her right to free speech.
Still, it seems like she was treated kind of roughly. That part of it isn`t ok.
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Male 376
Itsalwysunny:

It`s time to stop posting. I`m sure people are getting headaches TRYING to read your horrible posts.

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Male 1,375
yeah airleet its obvious to me that your not old enough to be a marine and anyways if you think our country wouldnt be in an economic depression only beat out by the depression your mother had to have gone through popping your dumbass out if we had "pussied" out on this war then ey i think ill go with being against war on that one.And the killing of civilians as a tactical advantage.........you are a complete idiot..........you must have been sheltered your whole life and never heard of the Geneva code or ethics of any type

in short live a little longer and educate yourself before you get into an argument with someone and say stupid sh*t

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Male 15,832
Benjaphar "Her school is not run by the government."

Wrong. It was a PUBLIC, aka GOVERNMENT, school.

Also, it is generally construed that the 14th Amendment extended constitutional protection to the states.

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Male 702
@ mercedzdanz
If you`re at an american law school then you should know about the protection and suspension of constitutional rights in regard to protest and speech on campus.
For everyone else, please see Roe v. Wade (obviously), Bowers v. Hardwick (right to privacy regarding sexual acts - extension of `right` to abortion), and Eisenstadt v. Baird.
That is all
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Male 672
As much as I think she is a tard for making her statement, she has her right to her tard statement. That said, she does go to a school with very young kids, so I wouldn`t be surprised if the dress code was extremely strict. If she was at a high school though, the admins would have no excuse.
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Female 30
I seriously doubt that someone wearing a pro-choice shirt would have made school administrators any happier. Given that this happened at a K-8 school, my guess is that the faculty is gonna be pissed at ANYONE who makes kindergardeners ask "What`s abortion?" I`m not sure that is sufficient reason to make the girl take off her shirt though.
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Female 331
A school can forbid its students from wearing anything it wants. It`s called a dress code. Some are stricter than others....most public schools ban clothing with messages that are either offensive to others or inappropriate for school; this shirt is both. There`s nothing wrong with being pro-life, there`s nothing wrong with wearing a shirt that says so. But her shirt was a bit excessive and I could see how the pictures and words could upset or offend others.

This isn`t a pro-life/pro-choice debate, so all of you making it into that are being ridiculous and missing the point entirely. This is about whether or not the school violated her constitutional rights; if they made her remove her shirt because it said "F*ck" on it, would we be seeing this in the paper? No. The school was in the right--and I rarely take the side of the establishment over anyone`s freedom of speech.

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Male 1,788
"First Amendment = FEDERAL government
Public School = STATE government"

Really? So the bill of rights doesn`t apply to state government? Fortunately you`re wrong, and I wish I had enough knowledge to cite specific court case where you are wrong...

Like Tinker V. Des Moines in 1969. Since Tinker expanded students` free speech rights in 1969 they have slowly been chipped away by court cases like `bong hits for jesus`. A sad state of affairs really.

Really it`s up in the air on whether this is a constitutional violation, because the supreme court could go either way.

If it were up to me though, i`d say it violated the constitution. But then again I do love free speech.

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Male 1,375
osiris is a wise wise man I shake your hand good sir that was nicely put
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Female 108
One time I got in trouble at school. I thought it was for a ridiculous reason. But my teacher told me that we don`t have all of our rights until we`re 18 years old. So that included freedom of speech. I don`t know if it were true, or if I had good reasoning so she made up a stupid reason to make herself look better. haha


I hope that girl is against war and execution though. And vegetarianism wouldn`t be too bad either. I can totally understand being against abortion. But the Pro-life thing is ridiculous. You`d have to be against all killing!

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Male 97
because their "choice" to abort results in the death of a fetus, which, if you look at it, can be characterized as anti-life. pro-life people think pro-choice people are lessening the impact of "murder" by redefining murder as "abortion" and redefining "anti-life" or "pro-death" as "pro-choice."

Another way to look at it, is "pro-choice" has more to do with the mother, whereas "pro-death" has more to do with the fetus. depending on where you want to put the emphasis on, you`ll see it one way or the other.

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Male 376
Wow dilldog123! Sugarcoating it sure doesn`t make destroying unborn fetuses seem bad at all! Kidding. You and everyone else are entitled to your opinions on the matter. But the thought of abortion just makes me ill for some reason.

And was the girl`s right to free speech infringed? Not really.

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Male 1,381
surprise. americans` freedoms are being withheld? who could have seen THAT one coming.
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Male 3,058
While it is a legal "gray area", current judicial opinions seem to lean towards minors having the same First Amendment rights as adults.

The shirt the girl wore does not appear to violate the school`s dress code, though depending on how you interpret the dress code, the shirt could fall into a "gray area" itself.

*climbs onto soapbox*

As much as I hate the extreme views of certain "pro-life" groups, there are those on the "pro-choice" end of the spectrum who are just as extremist in their beliefs.

Personally, I fully support a woman`s right to choose. I believe that abortion should be legal and safe, especially in cases of rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother, but I deplore the use of abortion as mere birth control.

Being a man, I of course have no way of fully understanding the gravity of such a choice, nor would I ever pretend to.

*steps down from soapbox*

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Male 702
Schools are not subject to the same `right to freedom of speech` laws as other public arena. Same reason it is still unlawful to have a gun on campus here in Texas.
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Male 82
Love you too, Opie. I love digression too
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Male 1,853
Bad choice on the administration`s part...

And I`ve always wondered why Pro-Life people think that Pro-Choice is another term for Anti-Life.

choose

–verb (used with object)
1. to select from a number of possibilities; pick by preference: She chose Sunday for her departure.
2. to prefer or decide (to do something): He chose to run for election.
3. to want; desire.
4. (esp. in children`s games) to contend with (an opponent) to decide, as by odd or even, who will do something: I`ll choose you to see who gets to bat first.

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Female 1,004
You know, every time I complained about rights they told me that I`d have to be a legal adult to have those rights applied to me. Then they simply said that such things didn`t apply within school. Huh. Could`ve just said "Being a kid sucks", since that`s what it boiled down to.
I also think the girl d probably doesn`t even care what pro-life or pro-choice means, just wore it because "Hey, it`s this shirt day! I gotta wear this shirt or I`m gonna be left out!"

Regarding choice/life crap:
I just think everyone needs to mind their own business and do what they do. Someone else getting an abortion or not believing in God or anything isn`t gonna affect YOU.

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Female 15,763
Ahahaha, this went from a school rights discussion to an abortion one and now to war.

I love you guys long time.

<3

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Male 97
so is this thread turning into a free speech argument or an abortion argument?
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Male 82
Itsalwysunny:

I`m not a marine, not even old enough to be one. I have the avatar, stating that I support the marines. Have you ever fought in war yourself?

"Illegal war"? That, in itself, is a paradox. If you are referring to the war that we fought in the middle east, that was more of an armed conflict. If you`re against war, that`s fine, but our country wouldn`t be this way if we pussied out on war. Our soldiers kill in war, some have been tried in the military courts due to innocent killings, but marines who are ordered to kill civilians would do so for tactical advantages in time of war or armed conflict.

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Female 2,674
I think it`s fine for them to make her not wear it, it`s not truthful. School is a place to learn not to spread untrue propaganda. Now if it showed a growing embryo/fetus in the stage that abortions typically happen, it`d be fine. That`s just me though, apparently having any kind of fetus picture would be against dress code at this school (according to the article).

I know someone who had to walk around with paper taped to his shirt because it said something that was inappropriate for school. He didn`t throw a fit and call the news about it, he just kept the paper taped to his shirt and went on with his life.

Lmao it`s from fox too :D

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Male 1,375
"Or is it something else, because I`m missing how killing a human being can be justified by the stupid mistakes people make."

hahaha isnt your job in the military to kill people in a war that was illegal in the first place? yeah killing people justified by the stupid mistakes people make........hypocritical five!

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Male 1,685
aw man, tomorrow these comments gonna be full of hate fire and battle.
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Male 17,511
If this girl was wearing a "Planned Parenthood" T-shirt with a No sign over a coat hanger, I seriously doubt they`d have forced her to take it off.
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Male 1,375
nah opie hes a marine.........enough said
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Male 1,375
this is so retarded people get offended so easily when someone has a different opinion than them. Prolife Prochoice as long as you don`t chase me around spurting your ideals or throwing dead fetus at me then believe whatever the hell you want. The people that try to convince other people into changing their opinions are nothing but jackass`s with god complexes trying to get everyone to believe the same thing as them. If your one of those people go F*ck yourself your god probably hates you and regrets giving you the ability to think
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Male 82
Opie breath:

Typo, meant to put "pro-choice"

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Female 15,763
"I don`t like the stand that the "pro-life" people take. Would you honestly let a child die just for your right to your body? Is that your argument? Or is it something else, because I`m missing how killing a human being can be justified by the stupid mistakes people make."

Either you`re confused about what pro-life means, or I`m confused as to what the hell you`re talking about... because you say you don`t understand the pro-life argument, then go on to say why you don`t like the pro-choice argument.

Just a typo or am I completely lost here?

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Female 215
I`m pro-choice but that girl has every right to state her opinion. Also, AirLeet, I think you meant "pro-choice."
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Male 228
there are no rights in high school.
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Male 97
Going to law school so I can offer some help. Even indecent speeches are constitutionally protected unless it is likely going to incite some kind of violence. the "bong hit for jesus" rationale is not likely going to apply to this case.
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Female 254
Those pictures are hardly graphic.
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Male 3,842
And, what exactly is offensive about a picture of a baby, anyway? If I show you a picture of my kids, is that offensive?
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Male 82
I don`t like the stand that the "pro-life" people take. Would you honestly let a child die just for your right to your body? Is that your argument? Or is it something else, because I`m missing how killing a human being can be justified by the stupid mistakes people make. The only time I think a woman has the choice to abort is in the case of rape.

On a matter, the case talks greatly about abusing the 1st amendment. The: "inappropriate subject matter" in violation of the school`s dress code, which bans clothing with "suggestion of tobacco, drug or alcohol use, sexual promiscuity, profanity, vulgarity, or other inappropriate subject matter."
part shocked me, as school is a learning area, we`ve talked about abortion and sex in school, even in elementary. On what grounds does the school find the t-shirt "inappropriate"? Sometimes we misinterpret the 1st amendment as being freedom of stupidity, rather than the freedom of speech. *George Orwell, W

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Male 1,375
yay for overly religious people. Without them we`d be so...........wait........ we wouldnt of had george bush as a president and chick-fil-a would be open on sundays? dude F*CK crazy cult christians
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Male 3,842
Benjaphar
"The First Amendment prohibits the government from restricting free speech. Her school is not run by the government."
I didn`t read the whole thing, but some of the very first words of the article were... "PUBLIC school."

First Amendment = FEDERAL government
Public School = STATE government

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Male 3,842
I am as pro-choice as a person could possibly be, and therefore I believe that a person has a right to wear a shirt with any message, even one I strongly disagree with. The part I find weird is that the article does not state that the school provided her with a replacement shirt.
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Female 15,763
I don`t see why it was inappropriate if it wasn`t causing a disturbance and those pictures were already approved by the school district. It just doesn`t seem enough to be banned, though I don`t think forcing her to change is a violation of any amendments.
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Male 302
Benjaphar
"The First Amendment prohibits the government from restricting free speech. Her school is not run by the government."

I didn`t read the whole thing, but some of the very first words of the article were... "PUBLIC school."

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Female 650
i knew before i clicked the shirt was going to look something like this. this really isn`t as big of a deal as they make it seem. the shirt was just meh, wasn`t to graphic or anything, but on a different note would you like to eat breakfast across from a girl wearing a fetus?
And whats a seventh grader care about abortion enough to where a shirt about it for? I think her mother made her wear it. Seems like the mom`s the only on freaked out about her having to take it off too.
So shutup, mom.
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Male 376
Yuch, that`s gonna be messy. Too graphic for the malleable youngsters to see, and it was inappropriate for the kid to wear it. It probably wasn`t even her own idea. Also, the complaint sounds almost laughable, like the kid is obviously exaggerating what happened in order to get the teahcer/staff into more trouble
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Male 976
"idc ftw"

This.

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Male 6
The star child from the end of 2001 just disappeared. Is that what abortions do?
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Male 33
idc ftw
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Male 108
The First Amendment prohibits the government from restricting free speech. Her school is not run by the government. They`re allowed to enforce whatever dress code they may have as they see fit. It`s not like she needs to be wearing that poo to school.
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Male 552
Bullpoo that the school made her take it off, but what 7th grader cares at all about abortion? Her mom probably made her wear it.
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Female 4,376
I`m pro-choice but I think it`s ridiculous they made her take off the shirt. She has a right to her opinion and it isn`t like the shirt was showing graphic pictures of abortions.

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Male 3,819
Link: 7th Grader Forced To Take Off Her Pro-life Shirt [Rate Link] - Her mother`s now suing the school. What do you think, I-A-B? Were this girl`s constitutional rights violated?
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