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You are one mean little person.
dude, you suck.
`objectified` is the same thing, as objects by definition aren`t human. If anything, `objectified` is a more extreme term than `dehumanised`.
You`re missing the point I and others were making:
You say that strippers are non-human and objects. That`s your opinion. Personally, I think it`s a repulsive opinion. I certainly don`t share it.
When you say strippers are merely objects, things, not people, not even animals, you`re not speaking for other people. Is that really how you think of strippers?
That`s true, but what better system is there? Should people have to pass tests in order to prove they are mature enough to be granted adult status? If so, what tests? Who administers them? What happens to people who don`t pass them by, say, 25? Or ever?
While declaring a person an adult on a rather arbritrarily chosen birthday is obviously a rather silly method, it does have some advantages. If you can come up with a better system, write it here.
paulmvr, the claim was that is it TYPICAL for men to defend (and, by implication, want to do it themselves) watching VERY YOUNG GIRLS nude in a sexual context.
That is not what anyone is doing here.
Do you really think that it is typical for a man to openly be a paedophile? Typical? Seriously? The claim is at best delusional.
You`ve written it repeatedly. What do you think it means when you say it`s typical for a man to want to look at very young girls naked in a sexual context, and to defend that?
"It`s very clearly bigotry and lying. I did not misread it - it is indeed very clear. It is also still publically available, so anyone can check for themself. You said it`s typical for a man to be a paeophile (sexually attracted to, as you phrased it, very young girls) and to defend paedophilia...and you don`t realise that is untrue? Whether you believe it or not, that makes you a bigot. You claimed men are defending it here, and that isn`t true. That makes you a liar too.
Wow!!! Please tell me where in any of my comments did I say that its typical for a man to be a pedophile??! Please show me where in my comments did i even mention that word besides this one? Your the liar for making up words I never even mentioned. I said "its so tipical for a man to actually defend that fact that its ok to look at a very young girl`s body to some of the comments made about minors. I didn`t say men in general are pedophiles.
Also, I hate Sarah Palin. Empty headed.
"Damn, Rhode Island gets all the fun"
"i dont really c why thats illegal"
"OMFG! i live in rhode island, i never new this was legal!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!"
It`s very clearly bigotry and lying. I did not misread it - it is indeed very clear. It is also still publically available, so anyone can check for themself. You said it`s typical for a man to be a paeophile (sexually attracted to, as you phrased it, very young girls) and to defend paedophilia...and you don`t realise that is untrue? Whether you believe it or not, that makes you a bigot. You claimed men are defending it here, and that isn`t true. That makes you a liar too.
I was using a reductio ad absurdum argument to show one of the fundamental problems with your argument. I thought that the idea of 8 years olds driving, voting and standing for public office was obviously absurd enough for that purpose, but perhaps it wasn`t.
"That would be very late for menarche, so you are picking extreme cases and applying them in general in order to pretend there`s some reasoning in your argument. Some girls start their periods at 8 - does that mean 8 is a suitable age for adult rights and responsibilities? It might make elections more interesting, but I wouldn`t feel safe on or next to roads with 8 year olds driving".
You are getting me twisted. I would never think obviously that if a 8 year old has her period, she`s automatically is a grown woman. She is able to bare children but that doesn`t mean that she has to just because her uterus is ready. She`s still a child and she`s not ready mentally. Even if that 8 year old looks like she`s has an 18 year old body that still doesn`t make it right to be on a strip pole and be watched by sick old perverts.
"The physical development of children and young adults is changing. The first stages of the pubertal process are happening earlier, according to recent studies – changes that are usually attributed to better nutrition. The onset of puberty in the UK has dropped from an average 16.5 years for females and 17.5 for males in 1840, to 11.9 and 13.1 years respectively in the 1990s."
I do know that from experience. I had my first period at the age of 9 and my cousin had hers at close to 16, but thanx for the info.
You don`t know me to call me a bigot or a liar, You misread my comment. Its very clear...
Ive read SOME of these comments and its so tipical for a man to actually defend that fact that its ok to look at a very young girl`s body.
I was stating that the comments i have read that were males actually cheering for the fact its ok for 16 year old stripping legal not just in this article but in others aw well. Im sorry if I came out to strong as a sexist, but I take Exploitation of minors very seriously.
By the way, I am a Lady.
from channel4.com article "Age of Reason"
The physical development of children and young adults is changing. The first stages of the pubertal process are happening earlier, according to recent studies – changes that are usually attributed to better nutrition. The onset of puberty in the UK has dropped from an average 16.5 years for females and 17.5 for males in 1840, to 11.9 and 13.1 years respectively in the 1990s.
Now this is physical maturity, not mental maturity of course.
IkeRay, "what about those girls who had their first period at the age of 12, 11, 10? the ones who are out sleeping with guys in school or worse, sleeping with men they met on the internet. again, nothing special happens at 16 or 18 that magically makes the girls "adults" other than age"
You are right nothing "magically" happens when you hit a certain age. I started my period at a very Very young age but that didn`t mean I was ready to throw myself out there. I was chatting online since the age of 12 but even then I knew it was wrong strange men that wanted to "get to know me". My parents taught me rights and wrong and the dangers of meeting peopl
That would be very late for menarche, so you are picking extreme cases and applying them in general in order to pretend there`s some reasoning in your argument. Some girls start their periods at 8 - does that mean 8 is a suitable age for adult rights and responsibilities? It might make elections more interesting, but I wouldn`t feel safe on or next to roads with 8 year olds driving.
It is typical, LadyChula629, for a bigot like yourself to lie about whatever group they`re prejudiced against. In your case, men.
No-one here is doing what you`re claiming it`s typical for a man to do. Very few men would, as would very few women, and nearly everyone, men and women alike, would revile them for it.
You`re a liar and a bigot.
Lady? I don`t think so.
sorry, the legal age in the US is actually higher than most everywhere else in the world. don`t know where the "global" came from.
and what about those girls who had their first period at the age of 12, 11, 10? the ones who are out sleeping with guys in school or worse, sleeping with men they met on the internet. again, nothing special happens at 16 or 18 that magically makes the girls "adults" other than age. the global legal age in the US is actually higher than most everywhere in the world. some are 14, some are 12. I don`t agree with those ages, but some girls by 16 ARE mature enough physically and mentally to be an adult and on their own. sure there are those that aren`t, but there are 18 year olds who also aren`t ready and nobody blinks twice at the thought of them.
I didn`t watch the video, but are 16 year old guys allowed into the club? if not, that seems pretty ridiculous, I mean its girls their age.
correction, teenagers, and how is it any different than those teenagers who are out drinking, smoking weed, and having sex?
I`m not defending the place, but I am quite furious with people who say "under 18 = children"...what the hell happens at the age of 18? some girls/boys are developed full at 18, others not quite, some still NOT AT ALL. 18 is only an age thing because we have no other way to justify legality of adulthood.
btw, 14 is legal age in some countries and nudity is only "forbidden" in america which causes it to become taboo. to some people, this is the same thing with teenagers, its illegal and thus taboo, even if the girls are more developed than some 21 year olds.
Having to pay to see women get naked seems so utterly pathetic. Allowing children to get on the stage and dance is completely reprehensible.
If I ever become a legitimately psychotic sociopath, it will not be out of rage or apathy, it will be out of disgust and pity.
Well, lets see. You clearly just demonstrated the difference in maturity level between us. Let me say this in a way you can understand "I hang with some fine as bitches for friends, i just don`t want to see them up there shaking their poo for a bunch of creepy old men"
Understand? My friends aren`t ugly, I am just respectful.
A coworker of mine, some years ago, quit to become a stripper. She got paid far more, worked fewer hours and considered the work better than what she was doing where we worked.
What`s worse - a menial job at minumum wage or stripping for far more money? Personally, I think the menial minumum wage job is much worse.
At first i was like, "ahh, who gives a flying fu*k, if they wanna get naked, let `em." But yea, the whole, "we have no test to determine maturity" thing is pretty reasonable.
Well put my friend, well put.
Here in the UK, there can be a day`s difference in age and it would be illegal. Strictly speaking, any amount of time is enough, even a second. If both people are under the age of consent, prosecution is either unlikely or impossible. Off the top of my head, I don`t know which. Maybe they prosecute both of them, maybe they just prosecute whoever is male (due to the usual sexism). But if one person is over the AOC and the other is under it, the older person is likely to be prosecuted. Given that the AOC is based solely on birthday, it`s within the law for someone to be jailed for life for having consensual sex with their girlfriend who`s a couple of hours younger than them. I recall a prosecution with a few months difference in age that made a minor story in the p
You may dehumanise them in your own mind, but that`s your problem. I have no problem seeing strippers as people. I don`t really understand why people like you think they aren`t.
No. Paedophilia is a sexual attraction to children. That`s children in a biological sense, i.e. people who haven`t started puberty. 16 is way too old for a paedophile. At 16, it`s common enough for someone to be physically mature, i.e. an adult. If not, they`ll at least be most of the way through adolescence. They certainly won`t be a child.
I`d make the minimum age for this sort of job 18, but paedophilia has nothing to do with it. I think that 18 is a reasonable cut-off point for many things. Individuals vary greatly, but the law must have a simple definition. A set age is far from an accurate way of determining a certain degree of mental maturity, but it`s the best way we`ve got without setting up tests and requiring a license for things such as voting (which I think would be a very bad idea).
Not sure how it is everywhere, but here it`s still legal for a 18 and 17 year old to have sex. There has to be an age difference of at least 4 years and one partner has to be under 18 for it to be illegal.
it`s also odd how it would be legal for 2 17 year old`s to have sex, but when one of them turns 18 they would have to wait until the other has as well.
i heard about a 16 year old guy getting prisoned for having sex with his 15 and half year old girlfriend.
Just another example why everyone should be chemically sterilized until they can prove they can be fit parents. :p
@ Crawdaddy197: As usual, your comment is right on the money. I`m guessing that no one ever thought to enact a law like they`ve proposed, because 50 years ago it would have been unthinkable that a 16 year-old girl would enter that line of work.
but really, no. what self-respecting man would enjoy seeing that? also, that random clip of the dancing girl that came up every so often cracked me up.
evolution of human civilization: -1
ah, why even bother finishing high school when you can just become a stripper...
Yes, but you`re not allowed to see anything explicitly sexual until you`re 18. So you can have sex, but only if you keep your eyes closed.
You have to be 18 to be allowed to do any sex work, too. So you can hold orgies daily (as long as you keep your eyes closed), but you can`t do a striptease for money.
UK law is a mishmash of laws that don`t necessarily make much sense together.