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Just because he is looking for some information in a very mysterious, and secret attack that had such on an impact on daily life. I don`t believe the gov. did it but there`s something very fishy about that whole situation and the Commission didn`t scratch the surface.
To goingpostal: Your logic is flawed because abortion is legal in America and comparing a fetus to a living breathing human is ludicrous. George Tiller performed a service for women in need. You don`t believe in abortion then don`t have one. Oh yeah you can`t you`re a guy.
Geneva Convention says that enemy combatants not in uniform can be executed without trial. I think we`re treating them a little better than Jesse says we are. I don`t think that a country that provides these bastards Korans, prayer rugs, and three squares a day are shoving bamboo shoots up their pee holes or the other sundry things done at the Hanoi Hilton. Even if they were, I`d have no problem with it. The lives of my loved ones are more important to me than whether or not we`re "torturing" captives.
How exactly is that a false choice dumb ass?
Torture 50, save 100 or more.
- 50 is a realistic number of people tortured before actionable information is gained
-100 + people is a realistic number of targets for anyone attempting the classic one event, great terror over an entire country thing.
You need to think before you actually say something. Or instead just don`t say anything at all.
So how exactly do you propose to extract information in a timely fashion without some form of torture?
Then you have to define what torture is. To a retard like you torture is probably raising your voice or cursing. But to an extremist it might not be torture unless you cut off an extremity. It`s not black and white.
There are ways to get people to say things without torture. People like you anger and scare me. <<
Simply saying "theres another way" doesnt do poo when lives are on the line. If you can come up with better, actual answers, then you can open your mouth. Dont just say "theres other ways! Someone think of it! Cmon!"
And your analogy is valid as well, even though ludicrous. But still valid. If you were forced to torture 100000 babies to save millions, would you? Or would you let millions die? These are the kinds of choices people have to make. You dont have to make them. You get to sit in your mothers basement with the AC on blast while you type up a 10 page thesis on why Transformers was terrible because Bumblebee wasn`t some Volkswagen beetle.
Its easy for you to sit on high telling others that they are wrong. Its hard to actually come up with the answer.
You`re providing false choices. I might as well as say make up a random, difficult counter scenario:
"Would you rather torture and kill 100,000 babies to save 1 million people?"
There are ways to get people to say things without torture. People like you anger and scare me.
Legally information under duress can`t be used in the court of law. However, it can be used to protect against further loss of life.
People always want to think we can play nice in war. War is an ugly thing, and there are certain necessary `evils` that need to take place to put an end to things.
If anyone is against waterboarding they should ask themselves a question: Would you rather 50 people be waterboarded or watch hundreds if not thousands of people dying on both sides of the conflict? It`s not about who`s right and wrong it`s about survival.
While Jesse may be a crazy, ex wrestler/9/11 conspiracy theorist, he is 100% correct about tortue...
Teachers are trying to give, not get, information.
Did I just do a combo?