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226 Responses to Support Gay Marriage [Pic]

  1. Profile photo of fancylad
    fancylad Male 30-39
    18847 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 8:13 am
    Link: Support Gay Marriage - Can this be considered the public outing of this longtime iconic duo?
  2. Profile photo of Druss
    Druss Male 18-29
    161 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 9:13 am
    Poor Bert and Ernie, they get so much stick.
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    kinjomusashi Male 30-39
    916 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 9:28 am
    didn`t know having a best friend of the same sex automatically made you gay...
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    MarthFador Female 18-29
    1004 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 9:36 am
    Oh, Bert and Ernie.... They`re in such an abusive relationship...
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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
    9308 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 9:38 am
    Oh Lawdy here we go...
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    beeze72 Male 30-39
    207 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 9:44 am
    "didn`t know having a best friend of the same sex automatically made you gay..."

    No, it doesn`t. Sharing the same bed, and taking baths together like they do...well, that`s pretty gay.

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    skine Male 18-29
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    June 2, 2009 at 9:45 am
    Oh, Bert and Ernie. When I read the description I thought about these two...

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    mjfoxman Male 18-29
    336 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 10:10 am
    Ernie: Bert, I wish you wouldn`t drink so much Bert
    Bert: Well Ernie I wish you wouldn`t eat cookies in the damn bed
    Ernie: Bert, your shouting Bert
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    Syrup Female 13-17
    189 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 10:40 am
    Didn`t they get kicked off Sesame Street?
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    fabarati Male 18-29
    1240 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 10:47 am
    I thought it was public knowledge, and had been for centuries.
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    Mah_Boi Male 18-29
    606 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 11:02 am
    Bert? And Ernie?

    O_O

    I...I never knew...

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    starfl4ke Female 18-29
    349 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 11:08 am
    I didn`t even have to look at the photo to know it was gonna be Bert and Ernie.

    Anyone watched that Family Guy skit where Peter`s lost his job and is talking about all the shows on TV merging together. Bert and Ernie wake up in bed togther and Ernie was some sort of policeman or something.

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    jinxiejae Female 30-39
    2927 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 11:13 am
    would you all please leave my fav childhood icons alone!
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    krazyluv Female 13-17
    650 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 11:20 am
    ....this is old O.o
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    AlfishKK Female 18-29
    782 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 11:27 am
    I actually read a dissertation that explained why Pinky and the Brain were the best cartoon gay couple. It was pretty enlightening.
  16. Profile photo of dm2754
    dm2754 Male 40-49
    3336 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 11:43 am
    Always find it annoying how homosexuals insist on believing that everyone is like them. To quote some homosexuals I`ve known "everyone is a little gay". My response would be no not everyone just you. I was felt they were imposing their beliefs upon everyone. Let`s face facts many homosexuals do not want to get married. There are some cruises that cater entirely too homosexual communities but yet marriages rarely occur on these ships.
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    Hiromi Female 18-29
    1149 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 11:52 am
    This is mad old.
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    BrnishedLily Female 18-29
    75 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 11:56 am
    dm2754...Homosexuals do not have a "belief" in homosexuality...They are what they are, homosexuality is not a belief system.
    What about the couples who want to get married, what about them? Should they just be denied because your and your kind try to push your beliefs on them? Enough is enough on this incredibly irking issuing, just give them their right to marry and stop the whining about how they`ll destroy the sanctity of marriage.
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    tiggerwitch1 Female 18-29
    587 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 12:00 pm
    i thought Pinky and the Brain were brothers :-?
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    baileyabb Female 18-29
    896 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 12:13 pm
    When is Burt going to pluck that damn thing?
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    Spambot3000 Male 18-29
    525 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 12:14 pm
    Dm2754 they are saying "everyone is a little gay" to you because it obviously pisses you off. That`s no excuse to be a dick about it though.
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    limphotdog Female 18-29
    673 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 12:38 pm
    Aw, Burt and Ernie were always such a cute couple. Burt was so pissy towards Ernie, though. Ernie was definitely the bitch of the relationship.
  23. Profile photo of AnneBonney
    AnneBonney Female 18-29
    107 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 12:48 pm
    dm2754:

    "Let`s face facts many homosexuals do not want to get married. There are some cruises that cater entirely too homosexual communities but yet marriages rarely occur on these ships."

    Let`s start with the last sentence first. Same-sex marriage is not recognized, and is actually illegal, in many parts of the United States. Would you waste the time and energy to marry on a cruise liner knowing that your vows, your love, and your commitment were /meaningless/ in the eyes of the law?

    Now, to address that first statement. How many homosexuals have you asked? Do you have a statistic and a source to back up that statement? Or just your own closed-minded stupidity?

    I don`t want to push my "lifestyle". I just want to be able to visit my partner of 6 years in the hospital. Is that OKAY with you? Or will our private display of affection offend your delicate sensibilities?

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    AnneBonney Female 18-29
    107 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 12:51 pm
    In the United States, same-sex couples are denied more than 1,138 legal and financial protections granted to opposite-sex couples.

    It absolutely disgusts me. That my country can espouse the virtues of "freedom" and "equality" when -in the eyes of the law- committed couples are no better than strangers. That is /wrong/. Period.

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    carolinads13 Female 13-17
    151 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 1:23 pm
    I love Bert and Ernie. Let`s hope they continue in a happy and prosperous relationship. God bless them both.
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    kikayoaka Male 70 & Over
    353 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 1:24 pm
    Homosexuals would be more tolerable if they didn`t go around "LOOK AT ME I`M GAY, LOOK, I`M SPECIAL, GIVE ME ATTENTION, I HAVE A PARADE. FORGET ABOUT RACIAL PREJUDICE, GAYS HAVE IT THE HARDEST OUT OF ANYONE"
  27. Profile photo of rikakitty
    rikakitty Female 18-29
    683 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 1:38 pm
    Homosexuals would be more tolerable if they didn`t go around "LOOK AT ME I`M GAY, LOOK, I`M SPECIAL, GIVE ME ATTENTION, I HAVE A PARADE. FORGET ABOUT RACIAL PREJUDICE, GAYS HAVE IT THE HARDEST OUT OF ANYONE"

    And you`re the non-nice individual for assuming that every homosexual acts like that.

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    lilhawk2892 Male 13-17
    221 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 1:40 pm
    gay couples.... are fine. you can love and drat whoever you want.

    gay marriage IS BULLpoo. maybe some people dont realise this but. marriage is a religious issue. thus. being done by a preist.. and uhh... homos are FORSAKEN in the bible.. yknow.. stoned? hung?

    im a complete no vote for gay marriage. and ill do anything i can to make sure it stays illigal.

    and if some dumbdrat finally passes on a gaymarriage rights law. then i will never marry.


    btw im atheist. but any tom dick and joe knows all legal issues derive from the mortal sins

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    lilhawk2892 Male 13-17
    221 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 1:42 pm
    and on a side note.. any other teenagers seen any of the new bisexual craze nonsense. its one of those emo things. where most emos date both a boy and a girl at the same time.
  30. Profile photo of rikakitty
    rikakitty Female 18-29
    683 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 1:46 pm
    gay couples.... are fine. you can love and drat whoever you want.

    gay marriage IS BULLpoo. maybe some people dont realise this but. marriage is a religious issue. thus. being done by a preist.. and uhh... homos are FORSAKEN in the bible.. yknow.. stoned? hung?

    im a complete no vote for gay marriage. and ill do anything i can to make sure it stays illigal.

    and if some dumbdrat finally passes on a gaymarriage rights law. then i will never marry.


    btw im atheist. but any tom dick and joe knows all legal issues derive from the mortal sins

    Okay, soooo.... because marriage is a religious issue, does that mean the government should then limit marriage and ban everyone who doesn`t actively worship God from committing to marriage? Let`s face it, folks, over the centuries marriage has grown less religious and more traditional. Besides, this isn`t the only thing that the government has banned from the homosexual community.

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    rikakitty Female 18-29
    683 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 1:50 pm
    "and on a side note.. any other teenagers seen any of the new bisexual craze nonsense. its one of those emo things. where most emos date both a boy and a girl at the same time."


    Wow. You`re an idiot. While it`s true that there does seem to be a "bisexual" trend sweeping the world, the teenage years is the time when most people experiment to discover who they really are.


    It frustrates me how so many people are so stereotypical of homosexuality. Just because some people treat is as a trend doesn`t mean we all do. I`m gay because that`s who I am. I`ve always been that way. I don`t flaunt it and I don`t brag about it, so I REALLY don`t appreciate being stereotyped like that. Surely that is something any person could understand. =_= *irritated*

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    SkyeDragon Female 18-29
    281 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 1:57 pm
    Awww cute. :)

    I`m straight but I support gay marriage. Let people marry whoever they want, its a free country. I don`t mind homosexuals. ^^

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    Postovoy Male 13-17
    462 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 2:03 pm
    Can we please just keep religion out of people`s private lives? If your religion is anti-gay, DON"T MARRY A DUDE! It`s that simple! If it doesn`t, marry whoever the hell you want. Great. Now I`m ashamed because I participated in a flame war. Thanks guys.
    By the way, I`m strait and pro-gay.
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    Ushersgurl14 Female 18-29
    84 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 2:08 pm
    love is love
    douchebags...
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    emptyXinside Female 13-17
    52 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 2:11 pm
    Marriage isn`t only done by a priest, it can be done by a Rabbi, or it can be done in a mosque, etc.

    I`m a straight Jew, however, my sister is gay.
    I feel that she deserves as much of a right to get married as everyone else in this world.

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    qwelch Female 18-29
    145 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 2:12 pm
    rikakitty, there are also legal benefits to having a married status, regardless of religion. It`s also symbolic for a lot of people - a public expression of their love. I don`t necessarily disagree with your view, it`s just that some people pursue marriage not for religious purposes, but for symbolic or legal purposes - despite how contradictory that may seem.
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    lilhawk2892 Male 13-17
    221 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 2:14 pm
    XD traditions are based on religion.

    and. by getting married. whether people are aware of this or not. theyre actively submitting they believe in god to the government.

    and are you bisexual? and a teenager?
    because if so. your argument instantly becomes void.

    thats as braisen as using the word your describing in the definition.

    and yes. while experimenting may be mostly for the teenage years. why is it all the scene and emo kids doing it?

    thats as cultist as i think you can possibly get.

    btw. dating and marriage all got there start from sex.. you want to know what we use sex for? children. you want to know who cant naturally have children without committing some form of adultery. gays.

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    i-am-bo-red Male 13-17
    150 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 2:16 pm
    HAHAHA!
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    IkeRay Male 18-29
    2704 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 2:19 pm
    rikakitty,
    though you might be "gay" you are still only 17 at most (according to profile), and as you said "finding yourself". many of people who were homosexual in high school eventually turned straight when they found their soul mate. its not biologically possible for a species to survive if homosexuality trends continue. it is a fad, just as atheism is considered a fad. people are doing it to rebel, some atheist teens find God, some homosexuals find a soul mate of the opposite sex...

    for the pic, it really pisses me off to see this. there are plenty of homosexual celebrities, George Takei for one, that you don`t need to bring children`s icons into this. they are ROOM MATES, room mates does not make you partners. are Joey and Chandler gay on friends? were you gay with your dorm mate in college? 2 people can`t live together without it being a sexual relationship?

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    thefireguy22 Male 18-29
    419 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 2:22 pm
    seen it...
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    lilhawk2892 Male 13-17
    221 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 2:23 pm
    ikaray- youve finally restored my faith in humanity. and while i may be atheist. if by some chance god finds me. ill actively go to church every sunday for the rest of my life.

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    IkeRay Male 18-29
    2704 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 2:24 pm
    but thats not to say that Homosexuality doesn`t exist as a gene trait. I firmly believe that SOME people are homosexual due to a gene/chromozone developed during puberty or from birth even. my point is that more than 50% of the people who are "gay" aren`t genetically that way, it is a choice by them. some do it for the friends/popularity, others do it for the sex/not being able to find someone the opposite sex.


    dm2754, I firmly believe that everyone is "a little gay", everyone is a little everything. you are a little racist, a little religious, a little conservative, a little liberal, a little straight, a little gay, a little (insert something). its these "little" bits that make us, and its the quantity of those bits that define us. say you`re 99% straight 1% gay, you`re still a LITTLE bit gay, you`re allowed to think a guy has handsome characteristics.

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    imaguitargod Male 18-29
    480 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 2:39 pm
    That pic is trues I tells ya! Trrrruuueeeesss!
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    starfl4ke Female 18-29
    349 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 2:55 pm
    IkeRay, you`d make an amazing speaker :)
  45. Profile photo of MikeW
    MikeW Male 30-39
    137 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 3:39 pm
    Gay folks are still going to be gay whether they are married or not. You can`t just vote it away, like so many think. Even if the majority voted in favor of banning same-sex marriages, it doesn`t make it right, or constitutional. To me, that`s the same thing as banning ethnic minorities from getting married because the people voted to ban it. They pay the same taxes that you do, they get the same rights.
    So what if they can`t produce a child. It`s not illegal for men to marry after a visectomy. Barren women are allowed to marry. The fact that they can`t produce a child is irrelevant.

    - for the record, I find gay sex pretty gross, but my personal opinion is rendered invalid when dealing with issues of civil rights.

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    Shellie84 Female 18-29
    4197 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 3:40 pm
    lol yaaaay bert and ernie!
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    AnneBonney Female 18-29
    107 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 4:10 pm
    lilhawk2892:

    "you want to know what we use sex for? children. you want to know who cant naturally have children without committing some form of adultery. gays."

    Adultery is a BIBLICAL concept. Marriage, religious or not, is a social construct with specific political goals in mind. From maintaining racial purity to ensuring a family`s fortune, marriage has served a variety of political agendas.

    Oh, and will you clarify what it means to have children "naturally"? Fertility drugs, sperm banks, in-vitro fertilization... tools which STRAIGHT COUPLES use on a regular basis are perfectly viable options for same-sex couples as well. No adultery necessary.

    Sex is not /just/ for making children. Sex fosters a closeness between two people, allows for a deeper, more intimate connection, and - well - feels good, dammit! Mutual pleasure helps maintain a deep, monogamous connection. Which is just as important, if not more so, than breeding more humans.

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    AnneBonney Female 18-29
    107 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 4:14 pm
    Individual rights are not (and should not be) subject to a public vote; a majority has /no right/ to vote away the rights of a minority; the political function of rights is precisely to protect minorities from oppression by majorities.

    In any institution in which a majority of citizens or members can pass laws or rules that apply, not just to themselves, but to all members of the group, judgment is required to distinguish potential laws which are reasonable and fair from those which are tyrannical because they are unnecessary, unfair, and justifiably intolerable to the minority that opposed them. And formal mechanisms need to be in place, wherever feasible, to prevent tyrannical laws from being passed by those whose judgment in such matters might fail.

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    nunujean Female 18-29
    92 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 4:16 pm
    You don`t need any kind of religious official to marry you, it can be done by a judge.
    Or you can go online and get ordained.
    Anybody can get ordained.
    I think if people like Ms. Spears and Ms. Lopez have not already destroyed the sanctity of marriage or the other of millions of Americans who get married to just get divorce within a year, how could two men or two women destroy it?

    http://whiteknot.org/

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    GothicQueen Male 13-17
    4376 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 4:22 pm
    Sweet.

    I`m for gay marriage. I don`t see an issue with it honestly.

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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    June 2, 2009 at 4:37 pm
    not endorsed by Sesame Street
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    lkc1 Female 13-17
    224 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 4:45 pm
    Um, wow
  53. Profile photo of Sammichiaki1
    Sammichiaki1 Female 18-29
    206 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 5:11 pm
    hehe
    gay rights ftw
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    Rauron Male 13-17
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    June 2, 2009 at 5:17 pm
    Batman x Robin forever
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    ctucker Male 18-29
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    June 2, 2009 at 6:00 pm
    they way i see it gay people have as much right to be as miserable as the rest of us.
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    Zeizai Male 18-29
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    June 2, 2009 at 6:43 pm
    "btw im atheist."

    Then why does A) Your profile say you`re Christian and B) your faulty argument seem very, very religiously biased? :D

  57. Profile photo of HitchCraft
    HitchCraft Male 40-49
    28 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 7:30 pm
    Ikeray said, "they are ROOM MATES, room mates does not make you partners...were you gay with your dorm mate in college?"

    Bert and Ernie have been "room mates" since I was a child 30-some years ago. If two men have been living together for nearly 40 years and neither have ever had a girlfriend, I`d say you have a very good argument for something beyond platonic.
    As for the question... I had three dorm mates in college, was I gay with which one?

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    jar-head Male 13-17
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    June 2, 2009 at 7:59 pm
    it`ll pass, this isnt As bad as ethnic rights, but it`s getting their...
  59. Profile photo of opiebreath
    opiebreath Female 18-29
    15774 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 8:05 pm
    "they way i see it gay people have as much right to be as miserable as the rest of us."

    That`s the spirit! :`D

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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
    549 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 8:08 pm
    i don`t know why really so many people converse on this topic since this community is extremely predominately pro gay. i seem to be the last of the few who do not support gay marriages, but it`s not worth arguing with people who on the basis of principle alone will not respect the views of others.
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    ImmortalZach Male 13-17
    438 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 8:16 pm
    i don`t know why really so many people converse on this topic since this community is extremely predominately pro gay. i seem to be the last of the few who do not support gay marriages, but it`s not worth arguing with people who on the basis of principle alone will not respect the views of others.
    ******
    By not supporting gay marriage you do not respect the views of others! Ironic aint it?
  62. Profile photo of oceanbeast
    oceanbeast Male 18-29
    549 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 8:25 pm
    every time i see someone disagree they are antagonized immediately so there is a difference. i have not villainized anyone but already on this site i can hardly post without being "introduced" to others as a "radical" thinker.

    i try not to bring religion into this argument because i know most of the gay population really dosen`t care, but my argument is there is a dangerous slippery slope from gay marriage to other unions that are immoral. incest, bestiality, polygamy, pedophilia; who`s to say these people shouldn`t be "protected" as well.

    and yes i have many many other arguments prepared. (yet i will wait for the people to chime in with nonsense)

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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
    549 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 8:44 pm
    you feel you have the right to inflict your lifestyle unto me. who cares about my rights and comfort correct? today`s society dosen`t really value morality or family values, society is changing to value contrived self rights and the freedom to be promiscuous kill embryo`s and not have to feel shame. that to me is intrinsically evil
  64. Profile photo of demetar
    demetar Male 18-29
    216 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 8:51 pm
    I can`t believe you compared gay marriage to bestiality and pedophilia...

    I respect the fact that everyone has the right to form their own opinion, no matter how much I think it`s wrong or disagree with it. But that is a terrible, horrific statement you just made.

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    envisage Female 18-29
    15 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 8:59 pm
    It seems like this would be a pointless argument, yet I will discuss it nonetheless. This is in response to oceanbeast`s last post:

    We care about your rights and comfort, but such things can only go far enough so that they don`t infringe on the rights of others. This is a crucial concept of the justice system.
    Your right is to say your opinion, and you are entitled to say that you don`t support gay marraige, for any reason you want. On the other hand, I can think of no `right` you may possess that can entitle you to decide whether or not gay marraige is legal.

    My second point is that bringing an unrelated topic (killing of embryos) is not helping your case, for it can only be argued separetely. Putting the two together implies that such things are can be decided with a `blanket statement`, which they cannot.

    Third point, as you can express your opinion, others can express theirs. If they call you a radical thinker, they`re not doing anything wrong. If you call them immoral, &

  66. Profile photo of coldCanuck
    coldCanuck Male 13-17
    296 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 9:09 pm
    Honestly, I dont give a drat over what someone does behind doors, and i don`t know why some people do. To me it seems like they are being non-nice individuals or they wanted to go out with that guy or girl and are now angery over the other persons life stylel.
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    coldCanuck Male 13-17
    296 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 9:12 pm
    It`s a simple and easy thing to do, all you have to do is not give a shat, and the world becomes more peaceful
  68. Profile photo of quaintness
    quaintness Male 13-17
    1086 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 9:12 pm
    This is terrible business people. If you don`t crack a smile every once in a while, you won`t survive life itself. We seem to be having lots of controversial things posted lately. Oh well. I suppose entertainment needs to be reinvented every so often.
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    gamerdude94 Male 13-17
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    June 2, 2009 at 9:12 pm
    I`m a straight male, but I am pro gay rights. I think people should be allowed to marry whoever they want. Marriage should be with someone you love, regardless of their gender. You shouldn`t not be able to marry the one you love because they`re the same gender as you. It`s not fair. This is America, damn it. It`s should be a free country for everyone.
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    gamerdude94 Male 13-17
    404 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 9:15 pm
    And a question that I have pondered many times if why the hell it matters if two gay people marry? They world is not going to end. There isn`t going to be an apocalypse. It doesn`t hurt anyone when to people who love each other get wed. It`s love. Why on Earth would you be against that?
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    imogenheep Male 18-29
    150 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 9:17 pm
    This is gay.
    XD
  72. Profile photo of envisage
    envisage Female 18-29
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    June 2, 2009 at 9:20 pm
    that is also fine (neither is recommended, because it is another one of those `blanket statements`, but you are still allowed the freedom to say it).

    You are being too general to assume that the gay population is filled with atheists. I actually researched this, so I could post reply with some degree of confidence. Alas, I had difficulty finding information, so I cannot say. Still, as this organization would show:
    http://www.hod.org.il/?en=1&sc=1&...
    Religion and homosexuality are NOT incompatible.
    Ok, now to my bigger argument. You cannot compare unions! This is merely a trick of persuasion that holds no backing. Here`s why: I can argue against bestiality and pedophilia because it endangers and exploits children; homosexuality does not posses that argument, so you cannot lump them together. Please remember this. Sorry, also, going backward, your comfort is important, but many<

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    envisage Female 18-29
    15 posts
    June 2, 2009 at 9:23 pm
    White people were uncomfortable with black people being equal counterparts. Does that mean they shouldn`t be?
    Gah, that was so long....
    Now, after reading the posts that came after my initial first (was afraid of that), I`ll reply to gamer dude:
    It is only ok to go into another`s business when you think that something illegal is going on, and/or that they are exploiting someone (abuse, etc).
  74. Profile photo of IkeRay
    IkeRay Male 18-29
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    June 2, 2009 at 10:04 pm
    "Bert and Ernie have been "room mates" since I was a child 30-some years ago. If two men have been living together for nearly 40 years and neither have ever had a girlfriend, I`d say you have a very good argument for something beyond platonic.
    As for the question... I had three dorm mates in college, was I gay with which one?"

    we are talking about CHILDREN`s characters. next you`re going to tell me that Teletubbies are doing each other and Barney is a pedophile.

    there is also nothing wrong with 2 men living together and never have found a romantic permanent partner. if they were 2 "swigging bachlors" who never settled down, or if they were brothers?

    which brings back my other argument, just because people live together they must be romantically involved? I`ve lived with males and females a like and only have had romantically been involved with my wife.

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    steve17 Male 13-17
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    June 3, 2009 at 12:00 am
    there best friends
    thats it
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    pat125 Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 12:09 am
    LOL. I always suspected them.

    And it`s even funnier that people are turning a picture of a gay Burt and Ernie into an argument over gay rights.

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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 5:20 am
    You yourselves discriminate, I feel nambla and pro polygamist groups can argue the same reasons that gay people do, it dosent hurt anyone and its my personal right. And the black white interracial comments are just a diversionary tactic because even then it was a man and a woman and in reality race is a ficticious construct we are all of the human race skin color is a genetic trait
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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 5:35 am
    Sorry if I can`t just "not give a poo" it seems pretty shallow that a lot of the arguments for gay marriage are for legal rights why not just legislate for those rights you don`t need to involve a social instituition 3000 years strong and respected as the union of a man and woman. When I spoke of abortion and promiscuity there is cleary a link, homosexuality is a sexual deviance and perversion, promiscuity clearly enters into this.

    By the way I know I fight a losing battle but I only do it so that others who do not speak out because of fear or plain "I don`t care" might hear the message I bring, there are others out there who still hold and value morals.

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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 5:41 am
    And it does matter and affect many things if gays marry. For one the nuclear family will forever be distorted, I`m sure someone will say it already is, yes but it is a problem, I don`t think anyone can argue single mothers and divorces are BEST for a child. Homosexuals adopting children would eventually change gender roles forever. I gues these things don`t matter though right? Cuz nothing really does
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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 5:58 am
    Nothing intrinsically good comes from homosexuality, it is only a means to satisfy sexual urges. No children can come of it, it adds no significant positive social change. "General acceptance of everyone`s personal right to do as they please" is not a positive change, in fact the supreme court ruled that this attitude woulld make everyone a walking law in himself henceforth endangering society itself, can`t think of the exact case but look it up. Please don`t equate infertile couples to homosexual couples, woman is clearly the bearer of children and man is to mate with woman if there is an outside force obstrcting this it isn`t the same as going against the flow of procreation alltogether as homosexuals do
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    quiggers Male 13-17
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    June 3, 2009 at 7:44 am
    oceanbeast... lol fag
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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 7:53 am
    Not even I use ignorant terms such as those, I do not reply to insult or harm anyone, I simply the views on why gay marriage should not be accepted. If you are emotionally hurt by this then grow up.

    Now I will reiterate my statement about being antagonized and being the target of juvenile comments such as quiggers, why can`t you make an argument based on fact

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    wyngit Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 8:20 am
    LoL @ oceanbeast

    Too much effort to cover-up your inner closet homo insecurities dude. rofl

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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 8:26 am
    I don`t understand the need for insults. It`s not to much effort to denounce immorality, even if I am in the lion`s den I will still not renounce my beliefs and what is right and wrong. Your efforts to ridicule me fall on deaf ears. It is though ironic that those who side with "the opressed" if you can call them that are the ones that rely on ad hominem fallicies
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    westonx Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 8:28 am
    oceanbeast seriously, you are shouting as loud as you can to drown out what your heart is telling you. it`s ok, everyone here at i-a-b supports you coming out, nobody will judge you.

    <3

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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 8:36 am
    I really don`t know how to even answer your nonsense.its easy to belittle somone`s stance with pure childish disregard
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    June 3, 2009 at 8:37 am
    @ocean beast

    It`s a thing called satire. Homosexuals are not perverted, research has strongly shown that people do not have a choice over their sexuality it is hard-wired (although paedophilia has been linked to childhood experiences, homosexuality has not). The fundamental idea of marriage is not about man and woman it is a bout commitment and love - why can`t homosexuals share in this?

    You say homosexuality does nothing intrinsically good... does anything? Does your browsing I-Am-Bored bring good about? And please don`t tell me your preaching is good because a supporter of gay marriage isn`t going to suddenly convert at reading your argument.

    And you`re saying homosexuality is a slippery slope into bestiality. There`s a name for that kind of flaw in an argument, want to know its name... Slippery slope. You just put the fallacy of your own argument WITHIN the argument. Class.

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    westonx Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 8:42 am
    An argument based on fact? In almost all Western countries the "respected union of man and woman" will in 50% plus cases end in divorce. The nuclear family DOES NOT EXIST ANYMORE. In fact it only exists in an idealized nostalgic version of the period of time between 1940 and 1960. In the 19th century and prior most men of the household died early or ran off leaving his 13 year old son to become the "man of the house", your version of how things should be is not based in tradition or historical fact but a sad outmoded fantasy of something that never really existed. You do not know what you are talking about, you are blinded by your own ignorance. It is very easy to deny somebody else something that you take for granted, like the right to marry somebody you love, if homosexuality only served to satisfy sexual urges why would these people want to get married in the first place you idiot?
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    wyngit Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 8:43 am
    rofl

    The irony is that psychological associations are now tackling homophobia as a psychological issue.

    Homophobes are Gay

    Poor conflicted kid who tries to balance his inner desires with biblical metaphors. Just say the date and then balloons and cake will be in order.

    Oh and then we can move on to more important things, like paying attention in grammar and spelling class. So i-a-b can be spared from run-on sentences and "fallicies."

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    westonx Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 8:45 am
    Your stance is denying somebody the right to do something that hurts nobody. Two consenting adults should be allowed to marry. It`s as simple as that and your opinion doesn`t matter because it is nothing got to do with you.
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    JaLacaob Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 8:46 am

    Really.. always such a fuss. I don`t care what other people want to do. I do care when people want to stop people from doing things that ultimately doesn`t hurt anyone else.

    Why do people put up such a fuss to try to interrupt other people`s lives? What does it matter to you? If it`s your religion, and what you believe.. fine. You don`t have to do it. If it`s not theirs, then so be it. It`s frustrating to see people go out of their way because of their own beliefs only to deliberately interrupt the beliefs of other people. They aren`t hurting anyone! They just want the right to pursue happiness.. wait, isn`t our country founded on that? Huh.

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    westonx Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 8:47 am
    @wyngit

    I think he was referring to phallusies.

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    JaLacaob Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 8:47 am

    p-hall-usies.. ..can we take this out of the hall and into the bedroom? XD
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    June 3, 2009 at 8:58 am
    Beacuse I don`t support gay rights I`m a homophobe? Seems like a contrived label you are giving me with no real base.

    Gay marriage will hurt society and I`ve given many examples only time will show you but it will be to late.

    The argument that homosexual marriage will lead to incestual marriage, polygamy, beastiality is a stretch but still viable, why can`t these people say they are practicing victimless actions? Where so we draw the line?

    If you haven`t noticed the world is drated up because the nuclear family is falling apart. Homosexuality will pretty much be the final nail in the coffin.

    As to the intrinsic value of things, many things are clearly of great intrinsic value for the good. By me posting here on IAB I might inspire someone not to just go with the flow but to grasp their own morals

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    quiggers Male 13-17
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    June 3, 2009 at 9:02 am
    lol oceanbeast... so homosexuality is new? get outta town, do you actually believe that? and like someone else said... the `nuclear family` never existed! And how the hell will it hurt society?
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    JaLacaob Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 9:09 am

    To quote: "The argument that homosexual marriage will lead to incestual marriage, polygamy, beastiality is a stretch but still viable, why can`t these people say they are practicing victimless actions? Where so we draw the line?"

    ..wait.. you mean that`s not ALREADY HAPPENING? Really? ...? ..heh.

    Besides, someone needs to adopt all those unwanted kids from all the people out there having babies and giving them up, since that seems to be anything but illegal. Why not let the gay couples, who are obviously compassionate and willing to understand love and the concept there of.. which clearly there isn`t enough of anymore. ^.^

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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 9:10 am
    Its existed but never been so widely respected and protected. The nuclear family still exists are you kidding me? It is proven that children need a mother and father it is imperative in their formation, kids that don`t develop needs for other things which as adults can lead to becoming criminals and addicts, this happens with more frequency when a child is not raised by a male father and female mother.
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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 9:15 am
    The adoption of children is irrelevant to gay marriage because homosexuals don`t do it for the sole purpose of makig the world a better place by adopting a child, they want to marry fo legal reasons.

    I also don`t support promiscuos sex or abortions, I think people need to be responsible and understand that drating around is way too casual nowadays.

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    panth753 Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 9:16 am
    *sighs* People been saying they were gay for a long time alredy.
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    Afromeister Male 13-17
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    June 3, 2009 at 9:17 am
    "Beacuse I don`t support gay rights I`m a homophobe?"-oceanbeast
    Well... Yeah
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    June 3, 2009 at 9:18 am
    Dude that explains it, I was raised by a single mother on a council state and that`s why I didn`t get into the top day school in the country (top 5% of the UK) and continue to excel in school and perform well in exams, and that`s why I don`t have balanced, thought out views and political knowledge and that`s why I`m not heterosexual. Oh wait.
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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 9:18 am
    Jalacaob - sure they happen but are still seen as socially unacceptable if homosexuals gain the right to marry it will be a step towards normalizing almost any deviant lifestyle
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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 9:23 am
    Quiggers I clearly stated that a nuclear family is ideal for child development, congratulations on all your acheivements given that you where at a disadvantage.
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    quiggers Male 13-17
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    June 3, 2009 at 9:25 am
    HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT A DEVIANT LIFESTYLE. OKAY?
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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 9:30 am
    I will express my disdain of the word "homophobe" I do not fear gay people or gay practices in anyway. I believe you are just trying to call me a gayhater and well I`m actually not. I believe though that homosexuality is immoral and thus the gay rights movement is really just a move to normalize a deviant behavior
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    quiggers Male 13-17
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    June 3, 2009 at 9:35 am
    You believe that homosexuality is immoral yet you are not homophobic... Kay. Oh and on a separate topic, do you have learning disabilities? Just wondering.
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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 9:37 am
    Sure being gay is a deviant lifestyle, its just slowly been normalizing itself in society. Dicks and clits are normal, how the drat don`t you understand a dick is meant to go into pussy and then a baby is born that`s just ignorance of biological design
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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 9:40 am
    The meaning of homophobe is not a literal one, maybe one of you should find the greek suffix for hate and call me that since you`re so intent on using name calling use the right word
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    JaLacaob Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 9:40 am

    They want -legal rights- so they can -adopt children- if they so choose to. Most states/agencies won`t allow a single person to adopt. If they`re living together, anyway, they might as well have the same financial and legal rights as anyone else who lives together for the same reasons.

    Frankly, you don`t need a `mother and a father`. It takes a community to raise a child correctly, as well as `parenting`. The definition of that being one male and one female only comes from religions and closed minded people that have no idea how insane they sound talking about morals that only exist because that`s all they know how to believe.

    There`s a lot of immoral things out there that actually harm other people, but instead of fighting that people choose to fight something like gay marriage when all the people want is the same respect every other creep (creeps meaning criminals, rapists and pedophiles) still gets... the right to all the legal things that go with marriage in law.

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    JaLacaob Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 9:42 am

    Besides, oceanbeast.. what the hell do you think you`re going to gain by trying to post this stuff here on the i-a-b forums where most people are pretty liberally minded and none of us are state senators or legal agents (probably, anyway). What satisfaction do you get out of this? It`s not going to change -anything-.

    Or is this some secret kick you get, disrupting everyone else`s lives since you can`t single-handledly disrupt the lives of the gay people who just want to be happy?

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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 9:42 am
    By the way your beloved obama (of course I didn`t vote for him) is not pro gay marriage either yet he is heralded everywhere he goes as an intelligent man.
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    JaLacaob Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 9:43 am

    Quiggers, that explains it.. better get you a dad, fast. Can I be your dad? Who`s your daddy?! :)
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    westonx Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 9:48 am
    A nuclear family, a man, a woman and at least one child.

    Def:
    The family is a social group characterized by common residence, economic cooperation and reproduction. It contains adults of both sexes, at least two of whom maintain a socially approved sexual relationship, and one or more children, own or adopted, of the sexually cohabiting adults.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/may/22/baby-p-timeline

    A family being termed nuclear doesn`t mean that it`s superior at raising a well rounded child by any stretch of the imagination. The only thing that matters in a family (regardless of size or members) is love and the nurturing of a child. Quiggers is an example of how this works.

    A deviant lifestyle is regarded as something pushed to the fringes of society, it is not a deviant lifestyle unless society as a whole dictates that it is.Not just you and your band of bible quoters but a clear majority of people from different backgrounds. Ergo that`s just your opinion.

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    June 3, 2009 at 9:50 am
    oceanbeast - I actually study Ancient Greek (odos is the word for hate in case your wondering) and we understand that the meaning of words vary as language evolves, just as homophobe has evolved to refer to someone who hates homosexuals and/or thinks homosexuals do not deserve the same rights as heterosexuals. And are you admitting to hating homosexuals? So you`re hating someone for something they have no choice about. Someone can`t help the fact that they are homosexual no more than someone can help the colour of their skin. Next step: Gay Holocaust. And if you`re so interested in biological design I call on you to only eat food you have hunted, never take medicine and die from minor diseases and rape 13 year olds as soon as they are menstruating. Cos that`s how the cavemen did it and thats how evolution designed us.
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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 9:51 am
    There have been innumerable conclusive scientific respectable studies that show a father and mother are highly important to a child`s development.

    And that`s only your opinion that I will not change anything, we can not know who or where my posts are read. And I think I`ve kept religion out of this quite well, yet you reference something that has nothing to do with my argument. I could for all purposes say I`m aeitheist, even though I am not because my argument doesn`t rely on religion

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    westonx Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 9:53 am
    Do people just have sex to have babies? That`s new to me.

    Also while looking up the "greek suffix" you were referring to I found out and interesting fact, homosexuality was an open social norm in Greek society. Hmmmm.

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    westonx Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 9:56 am
    Quiggers I think you are forgetting that there were no cavemen, only Adam and Eve, oh and their two sons.

    Curious indeed.

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    westonx Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 9:59 am
    I commend for not quoting Bible passages oceanbeast, I really do. However, your entire reason for arguing is BASED on your religious beliefs, so I can`t actually take it seriously considering your belief is in a book that condones rape, incest and many other abhorrent things. I can quote the passages for you if you want?
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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 9:59 am
    Homophobe is a stupid term, let`s just change the meaning of anything we want.

    Quiggers- there is something called vegan/organic food which I proudly eat, biological design is something we cannot argue against, we are not cavemen but moral humans, your argument is the same that people who try to use homosexual animals use. Animals instinctive irrational actions should not be a measure of human morality. Animals as well as cavemen I`m sure also did some of the following: incest, pedophilia, infanticide, eating poo, murder, dominance through brute force etc.

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    JaLacaob Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 10:00 am

    Then what `does` your argument rely on? The fact you simply want unequal rights for everyone? That`s pretty messed up.

    No matter `what` the law says about gay marriage.. they`re still going to get together, believe they are in fact married, love each other, have sex, and bring children into the world one way or another, be it previous marriages or an agreement, and these kids are going to be raised in a nuclear family (osnap!) by two gay adults who will probably be ridiculously good at raising a kid into doing what their heart says within non-harmful reasoning, which is way, way more than married heterosexual couples have been doing with their kids! Legal or not, they`re doing it. Legal or not, you can`t and won`t stop them with a few posts here or anything short of a `gay holocost`.. and even then.

    Ultimately, all you do with this argument and line of thought is deny people harmless happiness because you think somehow it`s going to stop them by pitching a fit. Wah. Wah

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    westonx Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 10:02 am
    I sincerely doubt you would be arguing so vehemently were you not religious.
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    JaLacaob Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 10:03 am

    Oh, wait, guys... I understand, now. Oceanbeast feels superior to us because they believe in Adam and Eve, are a vegan, and apparently do no harm to anyone, except crush the happiness of fellow humans.

    So.. if a person has sex with, say, a table, is that immoral? It pleases them and I don`t think the table minds..

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    westonx Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 10:03 am
    Yes but should the person and the table be allowed to adopt?
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    JaLacaob Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 10:04 am

    Lmao, that`s not two humans. I`m just wondering if that person should be denied the right to their happiness, too.
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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 10:07 am
    Greek norms - so was anorexia, pedophilia, and just rampant hedonism

    Also jusy because I`m not atheist dosent mean that all my views are inherantly religious or not secular. My religion is irrelevant to the argument I present

    One more thing I bet your not bored anymore huh lol

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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 10:08 am
    Greek norms - so was anorexia, pedophilia, and just rampant hedonism

    Also jusy because I`m not atheist dosent mean that all my views are inherantly religious or not secular. My religion is irrelevant to the argument I present

    One more thing I bet your not bored anymore huh lol I got you looking through greek culture lol I`m better than the public school system... Ok sorry lol

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    JaLacaob Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 10:12 am

    I wonder if some people don`t want gay rights because it`s too late for them and they`re spiteful... eg: Gay boy can`t be gay because his parents say so and so he marries some chick he doesn`t love, and has kids, and now gays might get the right to marry and he`s upset he missed out... just a thought. I believe more in the power of a promise and marriage than I do in whether it`s gay or not, to say the least.
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    westonx Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 10:12 am
    @JaLacaob
    I was kidding man!!! Lol.

    I would like to know why people who take the Bible so seriously pick only choice passages to guide them in their daily life?

    Why not follow the Bible literally? Such as stoning blasphemers or giving your children the death penalty for insulting you. Leviticus 20

    Surely more damaging to children than gay adoption, don`t you think?

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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 10:13 am
    That`s the first time I`ve heard that gay couples would be better at raising children than straight couples, so congrats on that.

    I feel superior to no one,
    Also I reitterate that I am not arguing based on religion, I solely base myself on gay marriage being immoral to begin with and the impact I see it would have

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    westonx Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 10:15 am
    My point was oceanbeast that homosexuality has been around for a long time and unlike pedophilia and anorexia, it doesn`t harm anyone.
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    westonx Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 10:17 am
    No oceanbeast, in fact, what you are saying is that two abusive heterosexual parents are better than two loving and caring homosexual parents.

    And you are wrong, so very, very wrong.

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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 10:17 am
    Weston you seem to know the bible well yet you miss the concept. The horrible things you speak of are in the old testament, christianity is based on the new testament. I don`t want to turn this into a theology argument
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    westonx Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 10:18 am
    You are making a sweeping statement about the nature of parenthood based on sexuality and it has absolute no merit.

    Your argument is in black and white and life isn`t as simple as that.

    Even though your views are.

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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 10:21 am
    Weston I never said that, ever.and there are pedos out there that would argue what they do hurts no one, assuming its some underage but of sound mind and consenful.
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    JaLacaob Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 10:21 am

    lmao, I laughed, Weston.

    Ocean, oy, whatever, ok? You can`t even tell us what -makes- it immoral.. according to what? Who? Just you? The bible, perhaps, that you apparently aren`t getting this from but keep defending?

    Your argument fails. You have -zero- basis for this immorality that you continue to insist upon.

    I`d go for two legal, gay parents over two abusive, loser heterosexual ones any day. Legal because then they get the same tax breaks and rights to properly raise me!

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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 10:23 am
    Look up oedipus/elektra complex. How would a gay couple deal with this? Like I said they`d probably let the child become confused about gender roles
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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 10:24 am
    Can you tell me what you think is moral?
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    JaLacaob Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 10:25 am

    ...oh here we go.. Gender roles being what? Women are nurses and men are doctors? Men should be dominant and women submissive? What -gender roles-?

    ..are your referring to -biological- roles? Women have babies and men impregnate them? ..I think I saw a man have a baby not too long ago and women get pregnant from artificial insemination all the time.

    Please define these gender roles that will be confused...

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    westonx Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 10:27 am
    Yes but the argument against homosexuality is based in the OLD testament. Christianity and the New Testament follow teachings from the Old Testament so what I`m saying is, if it`s ok for modern Christians to drop teachings about how to keep your slave because it is an outmoded or outdated belief, then why is it not ok to let go of THIS archaic and discriminatory belief?

    While in prison, St Paul met a runaway slave, Onesimus, the property of a Christian. He sent the slave back to his owner.

    So do you support the return of runaway slaves? I have one in my back garden, please advise.

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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 10:27 am
    Morality is to do that which promotes the most intrinsic good.

    Intrinsic good - not to use something as a means to an end rather it be an end in itself

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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 10:31 am
    Psychological and biological gender roles are intertwined. When they are confused psychological conditions may I arrise, transvestites for one
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    JaLacaob Male 18-29
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    I`m asking you to give an example of gender roles aside from `men being daddies` and `women being mommies`... rather than some generic, circular answer which again leads back to anti-gay.
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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 10:33 am
    A man did not get preggo I believe it was a woman who was undergoing through sexual reassignemt if that aint drated I don`t know what is
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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 10:36 am
    I don`t know how you can downplay my example as its quite valid, are you saying the way humanity has gone through history is incorrect? Should men and women be seen equally and have no traits to differentiate them?
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    JaLacaob Male 18-29
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    Dude, just give me an example..? Please? Just one? Can you do that?
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    westonx Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 10:38 am
    What I think is moral?

    Treating each and every other human being with respect and acceptance as long as they do not bring harm to any other person.

    Homosexuality like heterosexuality should have an age of consent regarding the average age at which a person is able to make an informed decision. It has to be the same across the board with no exceptions and that way nobody can come to harm.

    Harm to a person I define as the infliction of emotional, mental or physical damage.

    Having a child raised by two caring homosexual parents will not inflict any damage to the child. The only result of that will be that the child is raised knowing that homosexuality is acceptable.

    The only damage that does is to your beliefs and that`s what you are defending.

    Only your beliefs.

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    JaLacaob Male 18-29
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    Oh, wait.. you say being gay is a psychological condition and therefore a `disorder`.

    What I`m asking is a specific role for a `man` and a specific role for a `woman` aside from very obvious reproduction roles, which, as I also pointed out earlier, but less directly was that people can have operations to change their sex and -then- get legally married.. osnap. Meaning even if homosexuals can`t legally get married.. they can! They just have to unfairly pay a ridiculous amount of money and also want a sex change... which is a whole lot more unfair than just giving them legal rights.

    ..all these demands of people that you wouldn`t demand of yourself! Amazing!

    But back to these gender roles: Can you give me some examples of specific roles for the two genders?

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    JaLacaob Male 18-29
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    Weston, you are amazing. That was nearly poetry.
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    June 3, 2009 at 10:43 am
    Weston I am not familiar with that passage of st.paul please enlighten me
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    Haha, thanks JaLacaob.

    Right, I`ve gotta go look after my sisters baby.

    I hope I`m capable!!!

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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 10:46 am
    Read on oedipus/elektra complex
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    Last post!!!

    oceanbeast it`s Paul`s Epistle to Philemon.

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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 10:50 am
    I will not continue refering to religion as its irrelevant. My beliefs are not hurt by what you so, society is.

    Can you tell me why men and women shouldn`t have traits speciic to gender both pyschological and biophysical?

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    xaia Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 10:54 am
    Oceanview -

    Jesus says nothing about same-sex behavior. Only to love all as you love your own family, for we are all children of His Father. To be kind and charitable. What sickens me most about general theism right now is that America has a very very warped view of what the Bible actually says and few people actually go read it. They believe whatever they`re told and refuse to refute it in any way.

    Do you know that in the language that the passages was written in, that speak about homosexuality - there was no WORD for homosexuality. It was a practice many didn`t want to continue in the society of Christendom.. spreading from Rome, northwards with the plague of death that was the Roman army. Most modern historians believe today that the passages were changed, Homosexuality could no longer be accepted due to population control. Men weren`t bedding their wives.

    The bible is a book about God. Tradition is not morals.You bring forth an argument that isn`t remotely structurally sound

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    JaLacaob Male 18-29
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    Because I know many a damn good woman in what used to be `a man`s job` and vice versa, that`s why. I think everyone should have a balance of feminine and masculine traits fitting to them, and what they`re comfortable with. There`s some great women in what used to be only a man`s job: the military. Some amazing female doctors, and some awesome male nurses who are way better at making a patient feel comfortable than some of the women nurses. Everyone has their own levels, just like some people are good at math and some at history. Should only women be good at math and only men at history? No. Depends on the person. Some men are sensitive, some aren`t. Some woman are caring, some are complete bitches.

    So be it. Some men like men, some like women. It`s not the end of the world and it hurts no one... in fact, a child who -is- homosexual, raised by strictly heterosexual parents is going to have way more psychological issues than vice versa from repressed feelings.

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    xaia Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 10:58 am
    LOL Sorry. I said Oceanview. My bad. XD

    S`what I get for waking up and sitting at the computer toooo early.

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    JaLacaob Male 18-29
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    You still haven`t given me an example and I`ve given you several.

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    June 3, 2009 at 11:07 am
    Hey I think we should talk about the Greeks again! Greece was considered one of the greatest civilisations and a symbol of democracy etc. The very strongest of all the regions of Greece was a place called Spartans. These Spartans were amazing soldiers and were renowned for their civilised nature - they were the epitome of society as we know it (and they did not toil in the less savoury aspects of Greek culture you referenced earlier). In their soldiers they did not only tolerate homosexuality, they encouraged it. Go figure.
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    June 3, 2009 at 11:07 am
    I have read now the epistle and it clealr states that paul was pleading to philemon to treat osenimus as an equal when he returned.

    Jalacaob - those are secondary traits not gender roles

    Xaia- I am not using religion to prove my point weston brought it up.

    My arguments are based on empirical facts.

    Jalacabo- did you rad about oedipus/electra?

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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 11:08 am
    I have read now the epistle and it clealr states that paul was pleading to philemon to treat osenimus as an equal when he returned.

    Jalacaob - those are secondary traits not gender roles

    Xaia- I am not using religion to prove my point weston brought it up.

    My arguments are based on empirical facts.

    Jalacabo- did you read about oedipus/electra?

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    June 3, 2009 at 11:09 am
    And dude give JaLacaob an example instead of ignoring him and only listening to the points you think you can manipulate.
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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 11:10 am
    Yeah greek senators also had sex with little boys, go figure
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    June 3, 2009 at 11:11 am
    Dude can you read - Spartans I was talking about. SPARTANS. THIS IS SPARTAAAAA!!!!!
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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 11:12 am
    If I mis a point its because I am arguing with mutliple people on my phone so cut me a break I don`t have lightning internet
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    June 3, 2009 at 11:13 am
    Oh right, its okay to not read the thing your arguing against because your not paying attention, that makes it alright!
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    xaia Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 11:17 am
    Quiggers- Yes! Well, when you`re conquering the East.. who wants little bastard babies coming, lawfully, into your empire and demanding what his father owes to him? Especially if they`re oriental! Or of mixed blood. =(

    ..damn. Then how am I here?

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    JaLacaob Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 11:20 am

    Oy, fine, I`ll comment on Oedipus and Electra. It`s Freudian, who was an amazingly observant man in a soft science called psychology. Soft.. science, meaning most of it is not tangible enough to prove. These are concepts that EVERYONE caries, which `can` be a problem as an adult.

    Firstly, you`re assuming everyone is heterosexual and needs to resolve these feelings before adulthood. This means homosexuals are automatically going to have the very complex that you are trying to prove to be a disorder, homosexuality and the o/e complex that results thereof.

    Also, if a child`s father represents feminine traits and the mother represents feminine traits (opposites do not always attract in heterosexual couples) this probably means the kid is going to be very feminine, too.

    I could go on forever with examples that disprove your very black and white argument.. the same argument that has zero stance other than a bunch of DMV-IV diagnosii written by people speculating. Soft. S

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    quiggers Male 13-17
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    June 3, 2009 at 11:22 am
    oceanview, seriously now. give me an actual reason why homosexuality is damaging to society. succinctly. then actually read my response and consider it, before moving onto your next point, leaving behind a trail of broken disproved ideas. please?
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    JaLacaob Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 11:22 am

    I do so hate typos and text limits.
    *carries
    *Soft Science

    And also, I`m still waiting for my specific examples... ^.^!

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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 11:23 am
    Look up david reimer, look up oedipus complex they have to do with gender roles and the formation of children. Its within a child to act male or female and its part of parenting to help strengthen these differences and reassure the children of where they fit in society
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    June 3, 2009 at 11:25 am
    wow ignorance is bliss eh? give us an example!
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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 11:26 am
    Quiggers - spartans also dicarded "inferior" babies, are these people you want to emmulate,
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    JaLacaob Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 11:27 am

    Examples, please.

    These `roles`, complexes, and the traits that are `assigned` to them (which you still haven`t clarified) are nothing more than something some people made up by an observation that is extremely outdated. Most of psychology and psychoanalysis has a long way to grow, as well. It`s a new science, mostly theory, and only very few diagnosis are in fact proven... and even fewer do `normal` people walk but one symptom away from.

    Please give me examples, now... I expect they`ll be very outdated and disproved by modern society.

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    quiggers Male 13-17
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    June 3, 2009 at 11:28 am
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8081829.stm

    "Since the chick arrived, they have been behaving just as you would expect a heterosexual couple to do"

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    June 3, 2009 at 11:29 am
    and yeah
    EXAMPLE
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    June 3, 2009 at 11:30 am
    I have given them to you, these gender roles are more or ess universal throughout all societies with few exeptions so from studies we can dedouce it it human nature for men and women to have different roles, even in highly educated people these roles are accepted its not soft science. Psychology is a very young science but it is very real science nonetheless
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    JaLacaob Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 11:30 am
    Oceanbeast, you`re calling homosexuals inferior, as well, albeit not directly... simply on the idea that they`re `immoral`, which is defined by nothing more than what you believe, which you also haven`t defined the basis of because you only said it wasn`t religion.

    Can we get some examples, facts, and references, here? Ones that have some sort of basis and real study to them other than some soft science observances?

    ..actually, I have some references about how homosexuality is not a choice. There`ve been scientific experiments and MRI`s to prove it.

    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles...

    Your turn!

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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 11:33 am
    For you to disregard gender roles is sheer ignorance. Would you dress your son in a dress and buy him barbies? I think society would look at you in disapproval and the government might even take your child from you its very real
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    JaLacaob Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 11:33 am

    It`s a young, soft science because there are more theories than factual representations and studies! Many psychological diseases have since been proven not to be a disorder, afterall!

    I`m waiting for `specific traits` of these gender roles! What`s defining the roles? You keep referencing `societal acceptance` of these `roles` but I`m still waiting of their definitions...

    In China, women were caretakers of the home. In Egypt, they were businesswomen and bankers.

    If it`s physical attributes, well, there are both men and women body builders, and there are both men and women who dress in skirts and look beautiful doing it.

    I want specific definitions of these roles and you are still dodging the question!

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    JaLacaob Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 11:36 am

    ..no, -you- might take my child from me because you don`t understand the value of open mindedness and letting children learn for themselves who they are and what they should be.

    I know many boys that played with dolls and ponies, and girls that played with guns and toy cars, and they`re totally normal (and heterosexual at that)!

    Girls wear pants, if a boy wants to wear a skirt, so what? Scotsman wore kilts! Men in the medieval times wore tights and tunics, which was pretty much tights and a skirt.

    These roles are only in -your- head while the rest of the world realizes how stupid they are.

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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 11:38 am
    I`m on my phone so I can`t do that right now but when I get home ill respond to that.

    Obviously morality itself has no place in your equation. Let`s just be accepting of every foul practice once and for all. You must agree with legalizing polygamy if you defend gay marriage.

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    xaia Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 11:39 am
    In the rennaisance they were pretty! *referring to men in skirts*

    Teehee.

    Ocean, you haven`t proved any of your points or followed them with a logical argument.

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    June 3, 2009 at 11:39 am
    ha lol for you to try and use psycology in your indictment against gay rights is really amusing. and by the way, my stepdad is a trained mental health social worker and and he just confirmed for me that the only thing he couldn`t think of any issues that would result in psycological damage as a result of same sex parenting, including problems of gender roles - he has said that the idea of long term damage as a result of parents same sex simply does not hold water in the scientific community. or are you more educated to speak on the topic?
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    JaLacaob Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 11:40 am

    `Morality` is being respectful and not harming others.

    You`d harm far more people by telling them they are `wrong` and `don`t deserve happiness` because they happen to love a fellow man/woman than they will for the course of their relationship and lifetime in pursuit of happiness.

    If they`re pushing it in your face, like you`re doing to homosexuals..? That`s immoral. All they want is freedom to be happy and have the same legal rights as other people: to marry who they love, sex or not.

    With that, bedtime.

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    quiggers Male 13-17
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    June 3, 2009 at 11:41 am
    "You must agree with legalizing polygamy if you defend gay marriage"

    What leap of logic is going on there... please elaborate.

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    June 3, 2009 at 11:41 am
    You mentioned cultural norms, wearing a dress as a male in american society is not normal
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    June 3, 2009 at 11:42 am

    Oh, .. and btw, Love is universal, dudes! *peace sign*

    Muah ha.

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    June 3, 2009 at 11:43 am
    OMFG LOL. Out of all of those comments you could pick out one thing to argue against. You, my man, are hilarous. Are you being satirical.. is this one big joke? If it is, props, it is very funny.
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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 11:45 am
    What makes you think gays won`t push it in my face when gay marriages are legal? I can`t go down south beach because all I see is man on man everyblock anymore, it makes me sick.

    And polygamy - if consenting adults should be allowed to marry anyone they want, what stops this same reasoning from including multiple partners?

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    xaia Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 11:51 am
    ..roflmao..

    If you follow psychology so much, you`d know that polygamy in human nature is normal, abhorrent, and.. everywhere. It`s why men can`t stay faithful to their wives and wives are praised and entertaining little trophies when they flirt and charm big daddy`s boss at the christmas party last year.

    Polygamy is normal.

    This does not apply to children being married off in secular cults and dressing like it`s still the dark ages.

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    xaia Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 11:52 am
    LOL I used abhorrent. Soo not what I meant. XD I meant acceptable.

    God I need more sleep. But I can`t stop laughing!

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    polkafromny Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 12:07 pm
    Oceanbeast, I bet you`re just a lonely guy with no girlfriend who masturbates while watching Sesame Street.

    "What makes you think gays won`t push it in my face when gay marriages are legal? I can`t go down south beach because all I see is man on man everyblock anymore, IT MAKES ME SICK."

    Lmfao wtf do you mean? I honestly don`t believe gays will be treated equal in my life time but when we finally will trust me we would not brag about it...seriously wtf is the point? You make no sense. And if you don`t like looking at something DON`T LOOK AT IT!

    "Wearing a dress as a male in American society is not normal"

    Does that mean that wearing pants as a female is not normal either? Shut up and grow up. Why are you trying to decide for us? Mind your own business and go on with YOUR life.
    I hate homophobic people. THEY MAKE ME SICK.

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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 12:24 pm
    http://www.acpeds.org/index.cgi?BISKIT=6...

    American college of pediatrics

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    quiggers Male 13-17
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    June 3, 2009 at 12:30 pm
    "if consenting adults should be allowed to marry anyone they want, what stops this same reasoning from including multiple partners?"

    Are you actually serious...? Seriously?
    We are not saying men should be able to marry any number of people of any kind, just the one. Just because that individual can be a man or a woman doesn`t suddenly change it. You might as well say: What so you`re saying a man can marry ANY woman he wants?!?! What stops this same reasoning from including partners?!

    Seriously, I`m going to ask again, I would like an honest answer. Do you have learning difficulties?

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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 12:30 pm
    You are confusing adultery and promiscuity with polygamy. All of which are deffinitely not very virtuos
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    xaia Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 12:30 pm
    Faaaaaiiiiiiil.

    polkafromny - You make me giggle! Let`s go have babies. ;P Blessed common sense. Thank you. ^o^

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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 12:34 pm
    I`ve heard this over and over "mind your buissness", "let them do what makes them happy", "any adult should be able to marry any consenting adult", equally a man can say that he loves 6 women and all the women can consent or even marry multiple husbands, how is this not the same? Consenting adults in love who`s to say they are wrong and shouldn`t have full legal rights as twisted as it might be to me
  198. Profile photo of quiggers
    quiggers Male 13-17
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    June 3, 2009 at 12:36 pm
    And I read the article you posted. So what kids raised by openly gay parents are more likely to come out rather than stay closeted... Well I never, these guys are on to something.
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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 12:44 pm
    You took 1 item from that whole study
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    polkafromny Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 12:48 pm
    Oceanbeast, being gay is not a choice. It`s not like you`re 17 and you see that being gay is cool or something and decide to be gay also. Who would chose to be called a fag on daily basis anyway? If you`re gay you think differently than straight people since you’re a baby so even when you are a little boy you might play with dolls or like dresses which might not always mean that you`ll for sure grow up being gay but these are usually the signs. It does not mean that you`re sick or stupid.
    And I honestly don’t care if it’s from American Collage of Pediatrics or w.e. Of course they will write that because most of people still think that being gay is wrong so they want to be on the good side. There are so many gay crimes and media still rather to talk about Britney Spears shaving her head. Why? Because homosexuality is still this “bad and uncomfortable” thing to talk about.
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    polkafromny Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 12:49 pm
    Also, if they think that it is all because of "environmental and biological influences" then how come that gay people mostly come from straight parents?
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    polkafromny Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 1:05 pm
    Xaia, anything you want^_^
    <3
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    xaia Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 2:16 pm
    The most disgusting thing humanity has ever done is vote on civil rights.

    YOU. YOUR BELIEFS. AND WHAT YOU THINK DO NOT in ANY WAY, SHOULD NOT in any way, compromise or RESTRICT any other`s way, choice, beliefs or LIFE. THIS is America. If I want backwards beliefs and cultural restrain, I have plenty of countries to choose from.

    If you don`t like it, don`t believe everyone should have equal rights, regardless of choice, gender, sexual preference, or religion, GET THE drat OUT.

    Your arguments have done nothing but prove to everyone who`s been paying attention that you not only fail to see general reason when countered with medical, proven fact, but you choose to deny and belittle other people`s opinion with biased theories on gender roles and `Oh my god, it`s disgusting`.

    That`s your opinion. Where I can respect the fact that you don`t agree, I don`t respect you. You are trying to take away another person`s right.

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    xaia Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 2:21 pm
    Life, Liberty, and the persuit of happiness. You cannot, and will not, tell me that the picture-perfect family has the least amount of psychological problems. When this culture is, to every angle, so drated up that we drug our children with medication because we just can`t drating handle them.

    You, too, cannot tell me I don`t have the right to CHANGE MY MIND and love a woman, instead of a man.

    You`ve failed to prove anything, which is immensely disappointing. For someone who can babble about Freudian theories, I expected much more.

    Do your research, grow up, let your balls drop, kiss a man.

    Seriously, it`s not all that bad.

    =)

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    ghostofme Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 2:28 pm
    "then how come that gay people mostly come from straight parents?"

    This is just a stab in the dark...but chances are they wouldn`t exist if they came from gay parents. I don`t know if the whole reproductive system principal applies with gay partners.


    :) I`m not trying to insult, Polk, just thought I`d say something sarcastic. But in all honesty, I think that the answer to your question is just statistics. I think it is safe to say that the amount of straight couples outnumber gay couples, so even if every person in the next generation of children turns gay, the majority would still come from straight couples. It doesn`t all have to do with bad parenting, forcing beliefs, etc (though, I do think that can definitely make it happen).

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    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 2:42 pm
    xaia - you make no sense really, ive given plenty of good arguments, i am not asking you to change your views but you will not agree with me ever based on your principles alone. no one can argue away your principles.

    why should i leave the country? you are the small group who will not respect the democracy that voted NO on gay marriage. maybe you should go to a country that accepts you as you want to be, just maybe. you have the right to be gay, assemble as gays, and legislate for your gay wants and needs just like everyone else. some states even already have civil unions why not move there instead of asking me to leave?

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    je_scream Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 3:01 pm
    funny ass pic! i actually called my congressman up and voiced my opinion against gay marriage and he wants me to write a piece about it in a local paper. Yey me perhaps I`ll add a blurb about I-A-B and how so many people here are staunchly in favor of gay marriage, which shocks me because I figured that the more closed your identity the more hate/homophobes would come out of the woodworks but just the opposite.
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    MonzaBird Female 18-29
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    June 3, 2009 at 4:33 pm
    What disturbs me the most is that some people still think that homosexuality is a CHOICE.
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    xaia Female 18-29
    74 posts
    June 3, 2009 at 4:38 pm
    Roflmao.

    I love it when he talks like that.

    My gay wants? roflmao. Too cute.

    At any rate, I have no more to add to this friendly discussion. ^o^!!

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    alfietoon Male 18-29
    1164 posts
    June 3, 2009 at 5:06 pm
    "What disturbs me the most is that some people still think that homosexuality is a CHOICE."
    mormons believe this.. my bisexual friend Jay (the fellow kissing my cheek in my picture) was pressured into mormonism by his grandparents as they converted and the bastards tried to give him a counciller to get the gay out of him, its disgusting it really is
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    alfietoon Male 18-29
    1164 posts
    June 3, 2009 at 5:08 pm
    he never believed and finaly stood up for himself, they are still trying to get him to rejoin, so i may just "visit" the church and tell them all where to go myself
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    alfietoon Male 18-29
    1164 posts
    June 3, 2009 at 5:22 pm
    "Also, if they think that it is all because of "environmental and biological influences" then how come that gay people mostly come from straight parents?"
    this is where nature VS nurture comes into play, a very long discussed topic that asks are you who you are from your genetics or from the way you were raised, homosexuality is brought up quite alot in this debate are you gay from the start or is it the environment you are brought up in that is what makes you gay?
    for example a man may be raised in a household with gay parents... now this man as he grows up will be raised in a homosexual environment and therefore will normally be more open with his sexuality because of the way he was raised, certain genetics and life situations tend to increase the likelyhood of being homosexual for example a first born son is more likely to be straight than a second born son because of the childs genetics and because of the masculine compression often caused by the older bro
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    MonzaBird Female 18-29
    218 posts
    June 3, 2009 at 5:31 pm
    To be honest I don`t know what causes it.(I am a bisexual myself.) :P
    Soon they`ll probably come out with a magical pill that cures "gayness".
    I guess it just takes time ... a lot of time time for people to change their ideas of what the "norm" should be.
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    erykah87 Female 18-29
    1 post
    June 3, 2009 at 5:51 pm
    i envy gay couples. i`ve been through a same sex relationship too. and i miss that. but time came that i have to stop loving that person, not because the spark was gone... but because she made me feel trashed. :-(
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    beezly Female 18-29
    15 posts
    June 3, 2009 at 8:13 pm
    lol...everyone new Bert and Ernie was gay. WooHoo! support gay marriage!!!
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    boredfjord Male 13-17
    928 posts
    June 3, 2009 at 9:04 pm
    "a first born son is more likely to be straight than a second born son because of the childs genetics"

    Birth order does not affect genetics, brah. I`m totally for gay marriage, but lets keep out poo straight.

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    boredfjord Male 13-17
    928 posts
    June 3, 2009 at 9:07 pm
    "Oceanbeast, I bet you`re just a lonely guy with no girlfriend who masturbates while watching Sesame Street."

    Don`t knock it, polkafromny. Don`t smear the reputation of people who masturbate to Sesame Street by grouping Oceanbeast with us.

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    BunnyNaku Female 18-29
    5224 posts
    June 4, 2009 at 10:59 am
    i thought they were overly friendly roomates D:!
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    rocklobster Male 13-17
    79 posts
    June 4, 2009 at 5:04 pm
    about time....but whos next? oscar and big bird? or oscar and his little worm
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    togetec Male 13-17
    608 posts
    June 4, 2009 at 5:51 pm
    wrong. damn faggots
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    beehappy Female 13-17
    209 posts
    June 5, 2009 at 4:21 am
    bwahahaha epic
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    wyngit Male 18-29
    153 posts
    June 5, 2009 at 4:54 am
    roflmao @ oceanbeast

    Seriously... you really need to stop thinking you have "good arguments" when you`re just spouting and repeating the stuff I don`t know, your fellow homophobic closeted friends are telling you. Ted Haggard much?

    Suggestion: skip the thump-thumping school (you know what I`m talking about), and get some English and critical thinking lessons. Those will do you a lot of good.

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    wyngit Male 18-29
    153 posts
    June 5, 2009 at 4:57 am
    Oh I forgot to add: and those lessons would actually help you come out, and remove all those anger and hatred. Gosh. You`re behaving like a closeted self-hating teenager with issues.

    Oh wait a minute...

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    raydar Male 13-17
    177 posts
    June 6, 2009 at 3:32 pm
    ahah ha um no
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    dukorider1 Male 18-29
    210 posts
    June 18, 2009 at 12:04 pm
    I KNEW IT! I FKING KNEW IT!

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