Man Beaten Over Rape, Released From Hospital

Submitted by: littlemissqt 8 years ago in

This man had the poo beaten out of him by an angry mob out for revenge. I-A-B QUESTION: Is street justice ever OK?
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Female 1
lalalalalalalalala
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Female 56
I agree with handsompod
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Male 82
I think that this was a response to people who did not believe that their justice system would work for them. He should be killed, he got a beating, the justice system is going to put him in jail. Given the nature of his offense, he can expect more beatings if he goes to prison.
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Male 777
No, mob violence is never okay. NEVER! The point of justice and the law should not be to punish, but to reform, and attacking and beating a person certainly doesn`t do anything to that effect.
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Female 895
Good, they should have f*cking killed him.
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Male 1,108
If that had been my kid, he`d still be in my cellar now trying to drown out the whine of my angle grinder with his screams.
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Male 39
yea
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Male 3,842
That`s a Spanish saying, since in Spanish there is a word for "one-eyed" and also a world for "one-armed" and "one-legged" The proverb is:

En el pais de los ciegos, el tuerto es el rey.

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Male 163
ya, nuxnixy12 is right. And lets not forget, in the land of the blind, the man with one eye is king.
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Male 15
""Well there would be 4 pairs of eyes so it would only make the world 50% blind."

It`s like this: I take your eye, so you take my eye in retaliation. Then I retaliate against you for taking my eye and take your last eye, leaving you angry and wanting revenge, so you take my last eye. You can extrapolate this into a group setting where there are multiple people on each side, leaving the entire world blind. "

And you can try to take my eye while your blind.

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Male 3,431
Ohh wait, I thought the mob attacked a Therapist. My bad...

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Female 260
I just hope that he`s really the rapist.
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Male 56
"Well there would be 4 pairs of eyes so it would only make the world 50% blind."

It`s like this: I take your eye, so you take my eye in retaliation. Then I retaliate against you for taking my eye and take your last eye, leaving you angry and wanting revenge, so you take my last eye. You can extrapolate this into a group setting where there are multiple people on each side, leaving the entire world blind.

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Male 7,933
""An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind" ^^"

Well there would be 4 pairs of eyes so it would only make the world 50% blind.

Not to mention that the person who is out poking eyes still has 100% eyesight while the victim is down to 50%, now that doesnt seem fair now does it?

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Male 114
Isnt that how Fred Kreuger was created??
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Male 1,148
""You can’t fight violence with more violence."

Um, thats what Bush and Blair did"

yea, and look how that turned out *eye roll*

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Male 19
Honestly Khronnus, size/age doesn`t matter much, maybe in a one-on-one match-up it would, but a knife in the dark or a shot to the head works just as good when your 13 as it does when your 30. Guns make all men equal, and a stealth kill, while considered `dishonorable`, is no less effective.
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Male 2,855
now he can rape anyone associated with his beating guilt-free.

if there is proof he did it he will pay according to the justice system, so, it was unfair to beat him, so he can have his revenge, just as the mob did, so rape away mr rapist!

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Male 13,630
"You can’t fight violence with more violence."

Um, thats what Bush and Blair did

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Male 438
"You can’t fight violence with more violence."

OF COURSE YOU CAN! aside from being effective, its VERY satisfying. just pick your targets carefully.

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Male 1,226
"Two wrongs don`t make a right - But it sure as
hell makes you feel better."

AHAHA :D exactly! I always think like that, revenge isn`t right, but I EFFING WANT IT ANYWAY.

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Male 4,807
Ha HA, that was funny!!!!
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Male 2,605
Trick question: "street justice" isn`t justice, but revenge.
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Female 4,039
The only thing that has me on the fence here is that he may not have committed the crime. If, however, he did, beat away angry mob. Beat away. Anyone who harms a child should be taken out of society permanently whether by execution or life in prison.
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Female 99
While I think such criminals are scum and deserve the worst, at the same time, street violence isn`t exactly helping the girl, and probably not teaching the guy a lesson. Then again, he was still walking free on the street, at least the mob drew attention and media awareness to the case.
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Female 2,220
Two wrongs don`t make a right - But it sure as hell makes you feel better.
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Male 171
haha.. he`s going to be cautious where ever he goes now.
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Male 13
i dont think this kind of justice should be ok. If he hasn`t been charged that means even the police with forensic teams don`t even have enough evidence. Kicking the crap out of someone who the police wanted to question is a good indicator why vigilante justice is not allowed.
Although if the was my kid, I`d probably be doing the same, so im just a hypocrite.
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Female 472
I hate to sound cynical, but that beating is going to be the least of his problems. If/when he goes to prison...well hes gonna be someones bitch by the days end. Prison inmates have a strange moral code...and it`s not alright to harm women and children. At least thats what I`ve been told.
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Female 143
This cannot be condoned. The law cannot be different for different people. Saying this is ok, is saying that anyone can go beat on any suspect for any crime that they feel like. The law doesn’t always serve justice in everyone eyes, though it is in place for a reason. You can’t fight violence with more violence.
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Female 2,289
Even if she was willing.

Ever heard of Statutory Rape?

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Female 1,496
Work with police??? WORK WITH POLICE! LOL! A woman in the office next door to me was raped by a man four years ago and they had a warrant out for his arrest. He fled the state, changed his name, then MOVED back. She saw him working at a bar and called the police. They did nothing. She called the DA, NOTHING!
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Female 1

"The girl might not have even been raped, for all we know."

What, the eleven-year-old decided to stop for a quick shag on the way to school? She just found him so goddamned sexy she jumped him right there? (After putting down her Cinderella backpack and matching lunchbox, of course.)

Look, I`m not going to dispute the fact that vigilante justice often isn`t, but saying "we don`t even know if she was raped" was just dumb and sounded a bit like "blame the victim."

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Male 1,357
she was 11. In prison, those who have harmed children are at the bottom of the food chain. Its just against all, western ethical teachings and moral systems. He brought it upon himself
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Male 2,332
"An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind" ^^
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Male 33
i would bite his dick off... wat the mob did was absolutely correct. Only when punishments become brutal and severe will crime rate go down...
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Male 137
Yes, rape is severe. Sentencing a man to death is also severe.

All we really have to go on is that the man is "wanted for questioning". Yet the I-A-B mob is screaming for 7-cent justice. The girl might not have even been raped, for all we know. This is why vigilante justice is illegal.

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Male 1,929
Oh and note the amount of people on here who have automatically assumed he`s guilty even though, as I mentioned, they haven`t even charged him.
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Male 1,929
According to the report, related forensics was at the scene of the crime and he was a "person of interest". If that`s all the attackers knew, that really isn`t enough to go around beating people up. He hasn`t even been charged.

If however the community really did *know* that he did it, and weren`t just being OMG BURN PEDO!!! then I can`t really argue against their actions.

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Female 3,726
He raped an innocent 11 year old while on her way to school...there isn`t enough punishment in the world for him. If I had a daughter and she was raped, I would CASTRATE him. This is about power and preying on the weak; not to mention a lack of self control. That girl will have to deal with this to the day she dies, his bruises will eventually heal!
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Female 528
Khronnus: They didn`t get in trouble. The police just basically okayed vigilantes
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Male 621
maceizballin - Lets face it` you`re 13-17 I don`t think you`ve got much chance of stopping him. Though I am in two minds. We`ve got our own punishments for this, beating him will just get yourself into trouble. Wait for him to be sent away, then wait for the inmates to get him.
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Male 204
I do not believe Vigilante is Justice. But, in this case, it is the lesser of two evils.

Even if they got the wrong guy, and he wasn`t the culprit, well, if it were me, I`d understand and buy the mob a drink to celebrate not being the guy they thought I was and salute their willingness to step up.

Though, in this case, it sounds like he`s probably the guy. Even the officers were saying the mob was justified.

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Male 904
rape is severe. if raped someone close to me, he wouldn`t have made it to the hospital.
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Male 147
Vigilante justice is chaos, so I in no way condone it. However that won`t stop me from enjoying the imagining that guys teeth being beaten into his mouth. He deserved it, and personally I will secretly wish that this isn`t that last time this happens to him.
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Female 2,927
i dont condone mob mentality and street justice, that being said i sure as hell dont feel sorry for him. what goes around comes around.
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Male 17,511
I believe rapists and pedophiles should be given the death penalty. However, Two wrongs don`t make a right. "Vigilante Justice" is an oxymoron.
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Female 472
I think rapists should die a slow, painful death. I have no sympathy for this guy.
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Male 137
And then a few weeks later someone completely different confesses to the crime... <crickets>

There is a reason we have a judicial system.

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Male 928
Street justice is a terrible way for any society to function.

The point of sentencing criminals isn`t to punish them or to give the "what they deserve." It`s to prevent repeat offenses and to show that the rule of law will be enforced. In my opinion.

The justice system shouldn`t be based on emotions. How you feel is irrelevant. I know how angry rape makes us, but we can`t let that emotion control us and make us disintegrate into a vengeful mob.

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Male 2,172
If the guy try to run away when police is searching for him even after some people asked him to go to the police ( I presume they found out that he was wanted on TV or something ) then the guy deserve a beating.

Don`t let criminals or even potential criminals run away.

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Male 3,255
I think street justice is awesome. We`ve progressed far enough as a species, too far I think. Robots on mars? Pfft, witchcraft. I think street justice is just the thing we need to set us back a few hundred years.
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Male 37
so the people who hospitalized him get no charge?
hmmmmmmm seems to me that things are a little out of whack in Philly...
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Male 147
STREET JUSTICE...

PROOVE THE GUILT FIRST!!!

If the person is assumed guilty and there is no evidence then he must be set free. If he is assumed innocent and found guilty then he must go to jail. More of the guilty will be let go than innocent; But isn`t this the way it`s supposed to work?

There was no proof that this man was guilty (according to the article) other that one person yelling out, "there he is!!!"

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Female 1,142
Hey - if a lion is trying to rape a baby elephant, all the other elephants gang up on the lion and show it who`s boss.
Why can`t humans be just as badass?
As far as I`m concerned, that guy deserved it and more. :|
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Male 5,189
Ahh I think I`m going to try and get into this. Now I`m not fancy with big words like some of you draters are so get over it.

I say he deserved it. I would have joined that mob if I was walking by just for the hell of it. That girl is scarred for LIFE. Think about it for a second. Her life is changed....forever. I may be dead set and never change my mind but sorry. That`s just a no no. But a huge mob can get out of control indeed which is a con..or whatever. So I let`s create a place for people like this and people can pay to kick someones ass or something. :D Yay

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Male 1,404
"There is a time and place for everything....." This man is true evil and society must be on watch for this sick waste of flesh. This peccant soul will never rest both in life and death. The pictures do not lie.
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Female 778
osirisascend, you beat me to it. :)

i know it`s not actually proven he was thrown through a coffee table, but that`s what i`ve heard since i was a child, from literally everyone, so that`s what i tend to believe. i`ve also heard a very few times that it was an accident. accident seems more likely, but as i said i`ve heard revenge my whole life, so that`s what i tend to believe for whatever reason. i shouldn`t have passed my opinion as fact. i actually had fogetten about this case until this post though, so my recollection wasn`t entirely clear. ;-/ sorry for the confusion. and thanks for helping me out with finding the story.

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Male 353
Let me rephrase that. If a person walks on a technicality, and you absolutely know beyond a shadow of a doubt they are guilty, I`ll be the first in line to enact street justice.
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Male 353
As much as I`d like it to be, street justice is not OK.
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Female 778
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Ignatow

that`s the story, i couldn`t remember any names at first. obviously i got some of the details wrong, and this article doesn`t give as much detail as word of mouth/people close to the story here, but you get the idea. the article doesn`t state that he was intentionally throw through the coffee table, but things like that are sometimes twisted a bit.

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Male 3,058
@ punkipenguin: I am familiar with the story you paraphrased. You`re talking about Mel Ignatow.

The phrase "someone put him through a glass coffee table" is not entirely accurate. The evidence points to an accidental fall onto a glass coffee table in his own home, which shattered, cutting him severely. He bled to death as a result of his wounds.


You can find that story here.

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Male 695
obama would appoligize to him.
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Male 91
"the new owners found polaroids of the torture murder and turned them in, but he couldn`t be tried due to the double jeopardy rule."

but thats new evidence, he could be retried on new evidence, couldnt he?

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Male 15,510
Street justice IS OKAY! so grab your superhero costume and clean the streets!


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Male 897
The answer is YES. Sometimes justice needs to be exacted by those that are not tied by judicial. or beurocratic red tape.
Case in point: Back in 1998 some scumbag gave 3 14 and 15 year old girls a bunch of GHB and they nearly died from an overdose. As the amubulances were taking them away the entire population of people (roughly 160) at a weekly music festival chased the guy down and beat him severely. That is what I call justice.

I completely agree with LionHart2. People like that don`t deserve a trial, just brutal punishment.

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Female 778
opie - if it`s obvious the person is guilty and they somehow still walk, yes. just my opinion.

this is a local story to back up my reasoning; i can`t find anything about this on-line, but i will keep searching and if i find anything will post it to prove i`m not talking out of my ass.

a woman was tortured to death. the guy and woman who did this were dating - he used to date the victim and wanted revenge on her for leaving him. later the new girlfriend got mad at him and turned him in in exchange for not being charged. she testified, it was obvious he was guilty, but the jury gave a not guilty verdict because they wanted to go home for christmas. when he sold his house, the new owners found polaroids of the torture murder and turned them in, but he couldn`t be tried due to the double jeopardy rule. they tied her to a glass coffee table while they killed her. not long ago the guy who killed her was found dead - someone put him through a glass coffee table. justice at last.

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Male 2,344
He raped an 11 year old, he deserved to gget beaten, a dozen people trying to kill him is a bit overkill.

LOL, Britt. First line is the best.

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Male 650
So I see lynch mobs are still in Philadelphia
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Female 267
Well said SilverThread
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Male 438
did they use fire? ohhh i hope they used fire...
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Male 3,431
I`m sure most of you that know me, can guess where I stand on *this* issue, though I don`t apply the same logic to every issue with the predictability of a script.

Each set of circumstances carries it`s own particular dynamic and certainly a society as large and diverse as ours requires adherence and an evenhanded approach to justice. I think it also requires some understanding and I believe the Police Force understands in this case that the mob was acting in self defense on behalf of society as a whole.

For example Zina Linnik would still be alive today if *MY* approach were applied to people like her Murderer. Consider that. The man was a convicted sex offender and in my opinion should have been executed outright for his actions.

Instead the bleeding hearts had pity on him. In my opinion they are as guilty of the death of Zina as the man that strangled her.

The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

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Female 2,289
They should have raped him after they beat him.

If someone needs to get their ass beat because of something they did (like, i don`t know.. rape an 11 year old girl?) , they are going to get their ass beat whether the law wants it or not.

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Female 15,763
Punki, does that justify all street vigilante situations?
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Female 458
I-A-B QUESTION: Is street justice ever OK?
ANSWER: Yep. I wouldn`t stop `em, knowing what the man did.
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Female 778
people say let the courts decide his punishment - what if the guy never gets a conviction, walks free? would you still say it`s not okay to beat his ass then? he deserved it, you don`t ever harm a child in any way for any reason.

an inmate in indiana was convicted of raping and murdering a little girl named katie. the other inmates pinned him down and carved KATIE`S REVENGE into his forhead. no one was upset about it because he`s the lowest type of scum. when people in prison for murder think what you do is unforgivable, you know you`re a bad person and deserve every bad thing possible to happen to you.

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Female 52
My teacher was talking about this with my english class, and a guy in my class laughed:[
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Female 4,376
I don`t think it`s right at all. People have no business taking the law into their own hands like that. I don`t think it`s right. Even if it was my child I would hope that I had the strength in my heart to just let it go once the person had been jailed and not do anything drastic.
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Male 483
Either try to kill everyone you meet, or try to keep yourself from killing everyone you meet.
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Male 1,685
some people deserve to get beat.

#1 rapists / child molesters


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Male 11,739
[quote]shouldnt ever be an excuse for this, or any mob seeking revenge for a crime that didnt involve them. even if it was a mob made up of the victims family and friends it is intolerable.[/quote]

I agree with the first sentence but I can`t say I agree with the last one. I GUARANTEE you that if anyone did that to MY daughters I`d be all over them like stink on poo. They`d be begging for death. Not that it`s right, but it would happen either way. I have zero tolerance for rapists and child molesters.

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Male 376
"I mean, ask yourself. What would /b/ do?"

Fap to CP.

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Male 599
"Like witch hunts and lynchings. Obviously good things. Street justice, yeah!"

Majority rules b**ches

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Male 7,933
"Imperfections in a complex system are not proof that it needs to be abandoned completely."

True, also straw man argument/false dichotomy.

I never suggested it should be abandoned completely, but their are times when it should be ignored. OJ Simpson shouldnt have gotten away with murder, The police officers who beat Rodney King should not have been acquitted, and this man should`ve been beaten.

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Male 599
Street Justice is ALWAYS ok.
I mean, ask yourself. What would /b/ do?
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Male 8,300
"Is street justice ever OK?"

ABSO-FING-LUTELY! What else you gonna do, wait for the police to investigate, charge, negotiate a plea with a high-price solicitor, then get 8 month sentence (less time already served), out in 5 for good behaviour, for raping someone`s sister or mother? The more street justice the better, say I.

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Male 3,058
I`ll be damned.

dairy and I are actually on the same side of the fence on a subject.

Truly, this is a sign of the Apocalypse.

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Male 276
woot mob justice, but where were the stones?
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Female 164
That mob fails. They should have chopped his wiener off.
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Male 473
to all the mob bashers out there:

alright, i can totally understand. vigilante justice isnt necessarilly a positive thing, especially when the person may or may not be guilty.


But think about it this way. If your own daughter was raped, and you saw the guy who most likely did it walk down the street, wouldnt you want revenge? Wouldnt you be so filled with anger that you would try and beat the poo outta the guy who hurt your daughter, before the legal system kicks in and you dont get your chance before he goes off to jail?

Im sure thats how these people were feeling. THey wanted there own personal revenge on this man before he had a chance to get away from them

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Male 99
Woooo South Philly here!! City of Brotherly love =P
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Female 35
I don`t believe in mob justice. It`s the same thing as the witch hunts. There is too much of a chance an innocent person will get beaten or worst case killed. As a society we are sheep and get very wrapped up in the moment for good and for bad.
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Male 549
as i see it laws, ethics, and morals have been leaving american society for a long time. im just stockpiling weapons, ammo, and mre`s for when the civil war hits. i can`t wait for fully automatic assault rifles are legal so i can just buy them instead of importing them through colombia.

vigilante justice maybe wrong but rapists got whatever happens to them coming.

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Female 192
"Like witch hunts and lynchings. Obviously good things. Street justice, yeah!"

Pff. Lynching is so 1950s. Let`s go build a barricade, m`kay?

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Male 12,365
"Vigilante justice is always a good thing."

Like witch hunts and lynchings. Obviously good things. Street justice, yeah!

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Male 12,365
"The legal system isn`t always justice."

True. Also a non sequitor. Imperfections in a complex system are not proof that it needs to be abandoned completely.

Did you really intend to argue that vigilantes beating people they have decided are guilty of a crime is always justice?

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Male 1,511
Everyone that thinks this mob justice good idea had better HOPE TO GOD you are never accused of anything like this. It doesn`t matter whether you are innocent to an angry mob, all that matters is you were accused.
Have fun!
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Female 15,763
Street justice can go way too far way too fast. Not necessarily in this case, but in many others...
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Male 9,305
Well...it`s a lot different than the stories of girls getting raped in the middle of the street in broad daylight and no one helping...
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Male 600
If he is guilty of the rape. He deserves far worse than a beating.

Who knows? Maybe one of the people beating the sh!!!t out of him had hard core proof he did it.

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Male 381
shouldnt ever be an excuse for this, or any mob seeking revenge for a crime that didnt involve them. even if it was a mob made up of the victims family and friends it is intolerable. otherwise there is no point in even having a detailed and carefully organised and system of laws that, whilst not always be fully observed in a just way, with police abusing their power and having good governmental protection and lawyers working for criminals who should be left to serve a long sentence in prison or executed, is in itself fundamentally just. It there was no possibility of a mob ever going too far and killing a criminal, then it MIGHT be slight bit defensible, but since that is impossible, it is and would still be an abominable thing
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Male 171
Vigilante justice is always a good thing.
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Female 150
Honestly, vigilantism can`t be encouraged or else we`d have anarchy on our hands. The system is deeply flawed, but it`s necessary.

That said, I train in various forms of self-defense, martial arts, and street fighting and if someone raped someone I care about I`d be the first one with a weapon in my hand. And if something happened to me, I know whoever did me in would get the same treatment from others and I see a sense of justice in that. I`ve seen too many rapists and abusers go free to want to leave it entirely in the hands of the court system.

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Male 3,058
West Philly... REPRESENT!

All things considered, vigilantism is a double-edged sword. In this case it worked out for the vigilantes involved.

I agree with some of the posters here that justice was served, but I agree with some reservations.

In this case, they got the guy who was responsible for vile and revolting crime and exacted some street justice without killing him. In this case they were lucky that they didn`t kill him, just beat him so bad he was hospitalized for two days. It could have easily gone too far, and we`d be looking at several people charged with Manslaughter at the very least.

The criminal justice system in the U.S. is flawed, but it`s a decent system, that seems to work... most of the time.

Consider the fact that any decent lawyer is a master of the technicality, and police officers not doing their job by the book are the main reason for many acquittals.

Double-edged sword. Personally, I`m glad the guy got his ass beat.

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Male 105
Batman,Ironman, Superman are all out there... beating the living tar out of some people... and all of you are just standing around watching and applauding them... FOR SHAME. Definitly kidding but i`m sure you people understand what im trying to say? Its a total grey area in terms of street justice. Sometimes it`s great, other times not so great, but in this situation... Crucify the person.
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Male 7,933
"You advocate battering people who haven`t even been arrested for rape, let alone tried and found guilty.

So you are advocating binning the entire legal system. You`re just not being honest about it."

The legal system isn`t always justice.

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Male 12,365
"No...but how many systems are fool-proof? There are times when you need to take matters into your own hands, rape would definitely be one of them"

You advocate battering people who haven`t even been arrested for rape, let alone tried and found guilty.

So you are advocating binning the entire legal system. You`re just not being honest about it.

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Male 12,365
I think the classic modern example of "street justice" is the attack on a paediatrician`s home by a mob that didn`t understand the difference between `paediatrician` and `paedophile`. It was only luck that they weren`t at home at the time.

That`s what you get with "street justice". Those of you who are so eager to abandon the rule of law and replace it with violence-loving mobs should be aware that violence-loving mobs love violence. The point isn`t justice. The point is an excuse to batter and murder people and get away with it, and that is what will happen. Maybe to you. Maybe to someone you care about.

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Male 7,933
"Would you bin the whole idea of a legal system?"

No...but how many systems are fool-proof? There are times when you need to take matters into your own hands, rape would definitely be one of them

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Male 2,125
F*ck yeah he deserved it! Every motherf*cking person like this bitch deserves to get the sh*t beat out of them and then be lit on fire.
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Male 12,365
A question for DaSheezy, primetimekin and no doubt others:

Would you bin the whole idea of a legal system?

It`s a serious question. Given your stated views, you must think that a legal system is a complete waste of public money. No need for things such as trials. They just waste public money.

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Male 175
"street justice is at times better than legal justice"

I agree, and this was one of those times

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Female 35
HELL YES!! Guy rapes an eleven year old...poo!! I`d chop his dick off and feed it to him!
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Male 1,204
The only problem i see with street justice is that sometimes it`s not justice. What if someone wasn`t guilty? i mean clearly this man was, but what if?
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Male 7,933
street justice is at times better than legal justice
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Male 1,204
lolololol that was at philly. my mom was wholesaling t shirts to that grocery store on her weekly run to that place right after the crowd beat up the man....

of course, none of you will believe me about this because it`s the internet. but maybe somebody will have faith, maybe.

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Male 150
YES!!! TRUE JUSTICE
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Female 1,605
Link: Man Beaten Over Rape, Released From Hospital [Rate Link] - This man had the poo beaten out of him by an angry mob out for revenge. I-A-B QUESTION: Is street justice ever OK?
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