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En el pais de los ciegos, el tuerto es el rey.
It`s like this: I take your eye, so you take my eye in retaliation. Then I retaliate against you for taking my eye and take your last eye, leaving you angry and wanting revenge, so you take my last eye. You can extrapolate this into a group setting where there are multiple people on each side, leaving the entire world blind. "
And you can try to take my eye while your blind.
It`s like this: I take your eye, so you take my eye in retaliation. Then I retaliate against you for taking my eye and take your last eye, leaving you angry and wanting revenge, so you take my last eye. You can extrapolate this into a group setting where there are multiple people on each side, leaving the entire world blind.
Well there would be 4 pairs of eyes so it would only make the world 50% blind.
Not to mention that the person who is out poking eyes still has 100% eyesight while the victim is down to 50%, now that doesnt seem fair now does it?
Um, thats what Bush and Blair did"
yea, and look how that turned out *eye roll*
if there is proof he did it he will pay according to the justice system, so, it was unfair to beat him, so he can have his revenge, just as the mob did, so rape away mr rapist!
Um, thats what Bush and Blair did
OF COURSE YOU CAN! aside from being effective, its VERY satisfying. just pick your targets carefully.
AHAHA :D exactly! I always think like that, revenge isn`t right, but I EFFING WANT IT ANYWAY.
Ever heard of Statutory Rape?
What, the eleven-year-old decided to stop for a quick shag on the way to school? She just found him so goddamned sexy she jumped him right there? (After putting down her Cinderella backpack and matching lunchbox, of course.)
Look, I`m not going to dispute the fact that vigilante justice often isn`t, but saying "we don`t even know if she was raped" was just dumb and sounded a bit like "blame the victim."
All we really have to go on is that the man is "wanted for questioning". Yet the I-A-B mob is screaming for 7-cent justice. The girl might not have even been raped, for all we know. This is why vigilante justice is illegal.
If however the community really did *know* that he did it, and weren`t just being OMG BURN PEDO!!! then I can`t really argue against their actions.
Even if they got the wrong guy, and he wasn`t the culprit, well, if it were me, I`d understand and buy the mob a drink to celebrate not being the guy they thought I was and salute their willingness to step up.
Though, in this case, it sounds like he`s probably the guy. Even the officers were saying the mob was justified.
There is a reason we have a judicial system.
The point of sentencing criminals isn`t to punish them or to give the "what they deserve." It`s to prevent repeat offenses and to show that the rule of law will be enforced. In my opinion.
The justice system shouldn`t be based on emotions. How you feel is irrelevant. I know how angry rape makes us, but we can`t let that emotion control us and make us disintegrate into a vengeful mob.
Don`t let criminals or even potential criminals run away.
PROOVE THE GUILT FIRST!!!
If the person is assumed guilty and there is no evidence then he must be set free. If he is assumed innocent and found guilty then he must go to jail. More of the guilty will be let go than innocent; But isn`t this the way it`s supposed to work?
There was no proof that this man was guilty (according to the article) other that one person yelling out, "there he is!!!"
I say he deserved it. I would have joined that mob if I was walking by just for the hell of it. That girl is scarred for LIFE. Think about it for a second. Her life is changed....forever. I may be dead set and never change my mind but sorry. That`s just a no no. But a huge mob can get out of control indeed which is a con..or whatever. So I let`s create a place for people like this and people can pay to kick someones ass or something. :D Yay
i know it`s not actually proven he was thrown through a coffee table, but that`s what i`ve heard since i was a child, from literally everyone, so that`s what i tend to believe. i`ve also heard a very few times that it was an accident. accident seems more likely, but as i said i`ve heard revenge my whole life, so that`s what i tend to believe for whatever reason. i shouldn`t have passed my opinion as fact. i actually had fogetten about this case until this post though, so my recollection wasn`t entirely clear. ;-/ sorry for the confusion. and thanks for helping me out with finding the story.
that`s the story, i couldn`t remember any names at first. obviously i got some of the details wrong, and this article doesn`t give as much detail as word of mouth/people close to the story here, but you get the idea. the article doesn`t state that he was intentionally throw through the coffee table, but things like that are sometimes twisted a bit.
The phrase "someone put him through a glass coffee table" is not entirely accurate. The evidence points to an accidental fall onto a glass coffee table in his own home, which shattered, cutting him severely. He bled to death as a result of his wounds.
You can find that story here.
but thats new evidence, he could be retried on new evidence, couldnt he?
I completely agree with LionHart2. People like that don`t deserve a trial, just brutal punishment.
this is a local story to back up my reasoning; i can`t find anything about this on-line, but i will keep searching and if i find anything will post it to prove i`m not talking out of my ass.
a woman was tortured to death. the guy and woman who did this were dating - he used to date the victim and wanted revenge on her for leaving him. later the new girlfriend got mad at him and turned him in in exchange for not being charged. she testified, it was obvious he was guilty, but the jury gave a not guilty verdict because they wanted to go home for christmas. when he sold his house, the new owners found polaroids of the torture murder and turned them in, but he couldn`t be tried due to the double jeopardy rule. they tied her to a glass coffee table while they killed her. not long ago the guy who killed her was found dead - someone put him through a glass coffee table. justice at last.
LOL, Britt. First line is the best.
Each set of circumstances carries it`s own particular dynamic and certainly a society as large and diverse as ours requires adherence and an evenhanded approach to justice. I think it also requires some understanding and I believe the Police Force understands in this case that the mob was acting in self defense on behalf of society as a whole.
For example Zina Linnik would still be alive today if *MY* approach were applied to people like her Murderer. Consider that. The man was a convicted sex offender and in my opinion should have been executed outright for his actions.
Instead the bleeding hearts had pity on him. In my opinion they are as guilty of the death of Zina as the man that strangled her.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
If someone needs to get their ass beat because of something they did (like, i don`t know.. rape an 11 year old girl?) , they are going to get their ass beat whether the law wants it or not.
an inmate in indiana was convicted of raping and murdering a little girl named katie. the other inmates pinned him down and carved KATIE`S REVENGE into his forhead. no one was upset about it because he`s the lowest type of scum. when people in prison for murder think what you do is unforgivable, you know you`re a bad person and deserve every bad thing possible to happen to you.
#1 rapists / child molesters
I agree with the first sentence but I can`t say I agree with the last one. I GUARANTEE you that if anyone did that to MY daughters I`d be all over them like stink on poo. They`d be begging for death. Not that it`s right, but it would happen either way. I have zero tolerance for rapists and child molesters.
Fap to CP.
Majority rules b**ches
True, also straw man argument/false dichotomy.
I never suggested it should be abandoned completely, but their are times when it should be ignored. OJ Simpson shouldnt have gotten away with murder, The police officers who beat Rodney King should not have been acquitted, and this man should`ve been beaten.
ABSO-FING-LUTELY! What else you gonna do, wait for the police to investigate, charge, negotiate a plea with a high-price solicitor, then get 8 month sentence (less time already served), out in 5 for good behaviour, for raping someone`s sister or mother? The more street justice the better, say I.
dairy and I are actually on the same side of the fence on a subject.
Truly, this is a sign of the Apocalypse.
alright, i can totally understand. vigilante justice isnt necessarilly a positive thing, especially when the person may or may not be guilty.
But think about it this way. If your own daughter was raped, and you saw the guy who most likely did it walk down the street, wouldnt you want revenge? Wouldnt you be so filled with anger that you would try and beat the poo outta the guy who hurt your daughter, before the legal system kicks in and you dont get your chance before he goes off to jail?
Im sure thats how these people were feeling. THey wanted there own personal revenge on this man before he had a chance to get away from them
vigilante justice maybe wrong but rapists got whatever happens to them coming.
Pff. Lynching is so 1950s. Let`s go build a barricade, m`kay?
Like witch hunts and lynchings. Obviously good things. Street justice, yeah!
True. Also a non sequitor. Imperfections in a complex system are not proof that it needs to be abandoned completely.
Did you really intend to argue that vigilantes beating people they have decided are guilty of a crime is always justice?
Who knows? Maybe one of the people beating the sh!!!t out of him had hard core proof he did it.
That said, I train in various forms of self-defense, martial arts, and street fighting and if someone raped someone I care about I`d be the first one with a weapon in my hand. And if something happened to me, I know whoever did me in would get the same treatment from others and I see a sense of justice in that. I`ve seen too many rapists and abusers go free to want to leave it entirely in the hands of the court system.
All things considered, vigilantism is a double-edged sword. In this case it worked out for the vigilantes involved.
I agree with some of the posters here that justice was served, but I agree with some reservations.
In this case, they got the guy who was responsible for vile and revolting crime and exacted some street justice without killing him. In this case they were lucky that they didn`t kill him, just beat him so bad he was hospitalized for two days. It could have easily gone too far, and we`d be looking at several people charged with Manslaughter at the very least.
The criminal justice system in the U.S. is flawed, but it`s a decent system, that seems to work... most of the time.
Consider the fact that any decent lawyer is a master of the technicality, and police officers not doing their job by the book are the main reason for many acquittals.
Double-edged sword. Personally, I`m glad the guy got his ass beat.
So you are advocating binning the entire legal system. You`re just not being honest about it."
The legal system isn`t always justice.
You advocate battering people who haven`t even been arrested for rape, let alone tried and found guilty.
So you are advocating binning the entire legal system. You`re just not being honest about it.
That`s what you get with "street justice". Those of you who are so eager to abandon the rule of law and replace it with violence-loving mobs should be aware that violence-loving mobs love violence. The point isn`t justice. The point is an excuse to batter and murder people and get away with it, and that is what will happen. Maybe to you. Maybe to someone you care about.
No...but how many systems are fool-proof? There are times when you need to take matters into your own hands, rape would definitely be one of them
Would you bin the whole idea of a legal system?
It`s a serious question. Given your stated views, you must think that a legal system is a complete waste of public money. No need for things such as trials. They just waste public money.
I agree, and this was one of those times
of course, none of you will believe me about this because it`s the internet. but maybe somebody will have faith, maybe.