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398 Responses to Earth/Creation Brain Teaser

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    Mat Male 13-17
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    June 15, 2009 at 6:06 pm
    Link: Earth/Creation Brain Teaser - Anyone who can answer this question gets to go to heaven.
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    Dylan5121 Male 13-17
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    June 15, 2009 at 6:14 pm
    Congratulations! You have found yet another hole in the hull of the sinking ship called Religion!
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    Silverfalcon Male 13-17
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    June 15, 2009 at 6:14 pm
    He just decided on it early.

    I can goez to heaven nowz?

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    admisaok Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 6:14 pm
    what is philosoraptor doing here?
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    ShadowRyder Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 6:19 pm
    Maybe because he decided on how long a day would be before he started.

    I want my ticket to heaven now. Make it quick. Make it two tickets. Just so I can take someone there with me.

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    docwatson Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 6:19 pm
    Simple answers:
    1) God being omniscient would know exactly how long it took Him to make the universe. Thus he could easily translate it to a single Earth day
    2) God could have timed Himself, and then done the math (He IS God after all) to see how many Earth days it took
    3) "Day" is figurative in the Bible

    Another pretentious question solved by The Good Doctorâ„¢

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    anyano1 Female 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 6:24 pm
    I can see this topic is going to get heated, a lot of people have very strong views on this. I think I`ll back away slowly right now, to avoid the inevitable nastiness
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    crimsonattck Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 6:25 pm
    philosoraptor! HAHAHA
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    boredfjord Male 13-17
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    June 15, 2009 at 6:26 pm
    Also, why would an omnipotent being take so long to create the universe? And why would he need to rest?
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    captainkat Female 13-17
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    June 15, 2009 at 6:28 pm
    if whoever did this read on more (not saying this in a mean way or whatever) 1 day for god can be 1000 years for man. he is god :/ and in this the word "day" does not mean day in Genesis.
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    slugs Male 30-39
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    June 15, 2009 at 6:28 pm
    God knows everything. Pearly gates plz.
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    skullgrin Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 6:32 pm
    sorry captainkat, but you are wrong. A day in genesis is 24 hours long. How do we know? Because if it was thousands of years thats what would have been said...why would the writers of the bible say "day" when they really meant something more than that? Also, god, being timeless, wouldnt measure time in days anyways....the whole bible is drated up beyond repair though
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    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    June 15, 2009 at 6:34 pm
    The question itself shows the asker`s ignorance.

    Then God said, Let there be light, and there was light... God divided the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.

    The "Day" is quite clearly defined there.

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    twicks Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 6:35 pm
    Ok everyone stop and use your heads for a moment.

    God made the sun and moon which made day and night. He didn`t have to "make something up". It created itself when these were made.

    God used the frame of 7 days with the last one to "rest" to give us an example on how we should live. 6 days should be used for work and the last to devote to resting and focusing on God and the life He`s given us.

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    twicks Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 6:37 pm
    Lionhart, I give you a gold star.

    Skullgrin, you started good but fell off at the end... sorry

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    captainkat Female 13-17
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    June 15, 2009 at 6:38 pm
    Good answer lionhart. that makes sense :P

    btw slugs - New Jerusalem = pearly gates. Not heaven, sadly.

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    habbazoot
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    June 15, 2009 at 6:39 pm
    skullgrin, i think thats sort of what she said...


    and are the trolls here yet?

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    MK1029 Male 13-17
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    June 15, 2009 at 6:39 pm
    ANSWER: Because god (<--- uncapitalised) doesn`t exist! NOOWWWW YOU KNOWWWWWW!
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    skullgrin Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 6:40 pm
    sorry captainkat, but you are wrong. A day in genesis is 24 hours long. How do we know? Because if it was thousands of years thats what would have been said...why would the writers of the bible say "day" when they really meant something more than that? Also, god, being timeless, wouldnt measure time in days anyways....the whole bible is drated up beyond repair though
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    habbazoot
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    June 15, 2009 at 6:41 pm
    boredfjord, he has eternity.
    if you had forever to do something, would you do it as fast as you could?

    plus it might take a lot of mana, and he has to recharge


    ...god DOES take mana, right?
    i kid, i kid...

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    MK1029 Male 13-17
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    June 15, 2009 at 6:41 pm
    habbazoot, reporting for duty!
    Not trolling or anything. I just don`t believe in god and have enough proofs to continue believing so.
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    habbazoot
    2116 posts
    June 15, 2009 at 6:41 pm
    skullgrin, how did your comment end up on top of mine?
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    madest Male 40-49
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    June 15, 2009 at 6:42 pm
    All god did was accidentally crash the wrong two atoms together. sadly he died in that instant.
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    habbazoot
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    June 15, 2009 at 6:42 pm
    "habbazoot, reporting for duty!
    Not trolling or anything. I just don`t believe in god and have enough proofs to continue believing so."
    **enough proofs for my satisfaction, probably not for everyone`s satisfaction, though
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    Bridge Female 13-17
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    June 15, 2009 at 6:43 pm
    Because he created everything. He after he created the universe and everything, only then did he deem how long it took for him to create it. =P
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    The_Garuness Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 6:47 pm
    The hell you talking about? There isnt a god, Chuck Norris decided!
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    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    June 15, 2009 at 6:47 pm
    > MK1029
    > Because god doesn`t exist!

    AN UNBELIEVER!!!! STONE HIM!!!

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    ultimakewl Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 6:52 pm
    assuming you believe in god, he created the earth and its rotation. so the obvious answer would be he made the earths rotation as long as a day. the real answer is... the bible is all made up by a bunch of crazy people from hundreds/thousands of years ago. the internet answer: CHUCK NORRIS! GIMME HEAVEN NOW!
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    Hungar Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 6:58 pm
    Wow, Lionhart. That guy`s beard is amazingly red!
    He must have drank wine a lot, and by drank, i mean spill it on his facial hair...
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    madest Male 40-49
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    June 15, 2009 at 7:01 pm
    Yeah but god didn`t make the earth. It was formed over millions of years of dust and crap spinning around a newly formed star. In fact God didn`t have ratsbehind to do with the moon that was created probably by a collision between earth and venus somehow. Nature is more compelling than god.
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    nrvegetarian Female 13-17
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    June 15, 2009 at 7:03 pm
    "Because he created everything. He after he created the universe and everything, only then did he deem how long it took for him to create it. =P"

    Seriously? Wow......

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    keatonatron Male 18-29
    679 posts
    June 15, 2009 at 7:03 pm
    Well, before he started he created a stopwatch. Then he recorded how about how long he worked each "day" before resting. Then, since he created us in his image and decided we should work the same length of time as him, he set the earth spinning to match up to the time shown on his stopwatch.
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    Negative_One Male 30-39
    2583 posts
    June 15, 2009 at 7:09 pm
    A roll of the 12 sided dice I suppose.
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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 7:12 pm
    God is love
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    toneman Male 30-39
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    June 15, 2009 at 7:13 pm
    I find it incredibly fascinating how so many Christians and otherwise monotheistic religious want so badly for that their guidance called the Bible to be true that they completely ignore mounds of factual evidence that has been proven beyond any shadow of doubt to be true.

    We can debate for days which is more feasible – the idea that every living thing actually evolved over millions of years to form what we see today or if it were more of a `poof!` We have stuff! I`m not really a gambling man but I`ll tell you where my bet is.

    For those that consider the Bible to be the true word of God, answer me this question: Why is there not a single word authored by the son of God?! He began teaching effectively at the age of twelve, for Christ`s sake! Forgive the pun. He was a smart dude, right?!

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    madest Male 40-49
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    June 15, 2009 at 7:16 pm
    god is man made.
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    Negative_One Male 30-39
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    June 15, 2009 at 7:19 pm

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    tornadofdoom Male 13-17
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    June 15, 2009 at 7:21 pm
    So God goes up to this angel and says, "Hey, I just created this really cool thing where its variates between light and dark".

    The angel replies, "Now what are you going to do?"

    He responds "call it a day".
    ------
    Puns are the answer to all questions in life.

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    010580 Male 13-17
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    June 15, 2009 at 7:23 pm
    if there is a god, i am not saying there is or is not, i must believe that the time described in this "brain teaser" is merely a unit system of measurement that humans created. when god made the earth it took a certain amount of time that was later said as 6 days when human beings created the unit measure of time. so god did not make the earth in 6 days according to him/her he made it in time which was later measured as 6 days by human beings

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    Spirithound Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 7:24 pm
    v v v Good answer, strange-string-of-numbers.
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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 7:27 pm
    "god is man made"

    well if God is love and man is capabale of expressing love then yeah sure.

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    emethrious Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 7:31 pm
    God did not write genesis. It was transcribed by Noah.
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    habbazoot
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    June 15, 2009 at 7:33 pm
    >oneman, only christians have the bible, so no need for the "other monotheistic religions".
    >here is no proof God does not exist, likewise no proof He does.
    >many christians DO NOT believe the Bible literally. It is, i will say, 97% parables on how to live a good, moral life. 2% is actual events, and then the other 1% is a cross between parables and events.

    thats why (most) atheists piss me off. all they do is assume.

    speaking of atheists, i only know 2 out of 100 that werent former jews.
    what uo with that?

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    hagane Male 30-39
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    June 15, 2009 at 7:33 pm
    Beta-testing, ka-pow!
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    habbazoot
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    June 15, 2009 at 7:34 pm
    amaqdrinker, you are the man

    **>toneman

    my bad
    and i will now leave ebcause flamewars are pathetic and stupid

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    ohlax Male 13-17
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    June 15, 2009 at 7:36 pm
    god is all knowing therefore he already knew or he created the day and therefore made it so he worked for 6 days and rested on the 7th fairly simple
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    ajd121 Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 7:39 pm
    Now is this about the time where God was planting dinosaur fossils like a bad cop from the 80s planted crack cocaine?
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    toneman Male 30-39
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    June 15, 2009 at 7:41 pm
    Habbazoot, you do nothing more that display your own ignorance. Actually, I grew up in the church. And I can tell you the some Christian sects do take the Bible very literally. I will agree with you that there is no proof of God`s existence or vice versa. I will also argue that there not a single human being on the face of this planet that can make that determination.

    In fact, Judaism uses their own form of the Bible, though it is not called the same. The Torah is the first few books of the Old Testament. Perhaps you should check you own facts, smartass.

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    ajd121 Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 7:42 pm
    You hear voices in your head 2000 years ago you`re a prophet, You hear voices in your head today you`re insane.
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    ajd121 Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 7:43 pm
    But why would it take so long? If God is truly Omnipotent (All powerful) wouldn`t he have the power to do it in a nano-second?
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    toneman Male 30-39
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    June 15, 2009 at 7:45 pm
    ajd121, I agree. It`s also true that if one person claims to speak to spirits today, he is a kook. If there is a whole group that can do so they are a congregation, right?
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    DertMerchant Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 7:49 pm
    ok, thats retarded, just like religous people. pwnd
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    Leopardson Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 7:50 pm
    It`s easy for the Non-religious:
    What God?

    "I will also argue that there not a single human being on the face of this planet that can make that determination. "

    I agree. I don`t believe there is a God, but if there is an (or some) all-powerful super-intelligent God(s), I wouldn`t know.

    The problem with the terms "Athiest" and "Agnostic" are the simple fact that most people like me are halfway in between the two.
    I think I-A-B should have an "Agnathiest" option.

    Then again, I suppose Agnostic covers the humans who admit they aren`t perfect & don`t have all the answers to the universe entirely.
    Should I switch my religion listing to Agnostic on my profile?

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    ajd121 Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 7:51 pm
    I just don`t get that if God is sooo important, than why so many people have gone their entire lives without knowing of his existence. Isn`t it unfair that we get to know of his existence and others do not?
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    hatti369 Female 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 7:51 pm
    He could have created the earth first and then the sun and the solar system. or maybe the sun last. Maybe he didnt start the earth spinning until the very end, therefore causing the first day. hm? who knows.
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    toneman Male 30-39
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    June 15, 2009 at 7:53 pm
    On a parting note, nearly every religion aside from Buddhism relies on Pascal`s Wager. We don`t know if there is a God but we`d better be good just in case.

    Finally, answer me this last question: If the Bible is the true word of God defining precisely how we should follow him, why are there countless flavors of Christianity?

    I`m sure that this question will remain unanswered just like the previous. Christians would rather regurgitate crap that is thrown at them from behind the pulpit than consider any other alternative. It is impossible to have an objective view when you are brainwashed!

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    azacam Male 40-49
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    June 15, 2009 at 7:56 pm
    A "day" is not attributed to a 24 hour earth day.
    God does not reside on earth.
    Read 2 Peter 3:8
    Bible is written for simple, short lived creatures by a creature ("God") that exists on a vast time scale.
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    Leopardson Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 7:56 pm

    One thing I seriously don`t get is why religious people must classify their Gods with a gender.
    If it is an all-powerful metaphysical being, why does it need a mammal-based gender?

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    vE Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 7:59 pm
    christians have old navy, atheists have hot topic. christians have the pope, atheists have richard dawkins. christians believe in Jesus, who was a jew, atheists believe in Darwin, who was agnostic. if god didn`t exist, there wouldn`t be so many constant reminders of his non-existance. alas, ajd`s 20-someodd posts are basically the same crap spewed somewhat religiously.
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    spacetiger Female 18-29
    186 posts
    June 15, 2009 at 8:00 pm
    A day to us is but a blink of an eye to god.

    or some crap. That`s how it was explained to me because I asked that very question to a youth leader... I still am not satisfied with the answer.
    That`s why I decided to be Buddhist.
    In essence we are really all trying to go to the same place, we are just taking different paths to get there.

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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 8:01 pm
    toneman, you`re just being ignorant. you are assuming more about people`s beliefs than anyone on this thread. if you are not a religious or spiritual person and have not taken the time to actually try and understand an individual who is, then please keep your mouth shut. excuse me, your keyboard.
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    yblusky Male 30-39
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    June 15, 2009 at 8:03 pm
    You guys are thinking to hard.

    He`s GOD, drat rotation and what-not. He`s like chuck norris except in my opinion, GOD > Chuck. Anyway GOD makes his own rules and he could do anything he wants to do and that`s because he is GOD.

    So how did he know??

    My answer: I don`t know, Let`s go ask him and to ask him we go to heaven which is why the winner gets to go to heaven.

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    skullcandy Female 18-29
    241 posts
    June 15, 2009 at 8:05 pm
    uh, because he`s god?
    that`s how he knew.
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    habbazoot
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    June 15, 2009 at 8:12 pm
    toneman, i do know about the Torah and the Old Testamate. I read it, after all.

    you said the Bible, and The Torah is only a small fraction of it. The major part of the Christian religion. and i know some sects do take it word for word, but the majortiy of christians do not.
    smartass


    and to answer your second question: its not.
    check please.

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    habbazoot
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    June 15, 2009 at 8:15 pm
    okay, so i guess i decided to stop sentecnes short (?)

    i emant to say that the majority of the christian religon is the New testamate. you know, the jesus part.
    plus, christians and jews interpret it two different ways, so yeah.
    smart ass.

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    ScottSerious Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 8:18 pm
    because he`s "god"
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    Avalessa Female 13-17
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    June 15, 2009 at 8:18 pm
    Dude, he`s God. He makes up the rules.
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    toneman Male 30-39
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    June 15, 2009 at 8:20 pm
    habbazoot, what the hell are you talking about `check please`? Like all Christians, you avoid the pointed questions.

    amaqdrinker, I assume nothing! As I explained, I did grow up in a Southern Baptist church. I have been `Born Again.` I have believed the same things you believe currently. So I do understand Christianity.

    I have read the Bible. I have also read large parts of the Holy Koran. The Bible itself starts off with contradiction. The first two books of Genesis have two totally different accounts of the creation of the world. Don`t believe me? Read it!

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    yblusky Male 30-39
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    June 15, 2009 at 8:20 pm
    Dear Toneman (Why Toneman?)

    I want to answer this question:

    Finally, answer me this last question: If the Bible is the true word of God defining precisely how we should follow him, why are there countless flavors of Christianity?


    -------------------------------

    My answer to that is yes there is one true "word" of god but remember who he gave it to. He have it to us Human. And as you know or not since you asked, we humans are subjective. Very subjective. We don`t see eye to eye with our neighbors. Because of this we have disagreements because of this we have as you say "different flavors" of christianity.

    Does that answer your question??

    And seriously why Toneman??

    I chose mine because I was smashed drunk like donkey with a vodka bottle up my @ss. And the bunny is from Wallace and Gromit I made it after I saw the how to on the DVD and I thought it was cool achievement. (yay me)

    So why toneman? I would like a very legit answer to this legit questio

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    ukulelemike Male 40-49
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    June 15, 2009 at 8:22 pm
    Toneman, the answer to your question that no one will answer, is because, precisely of what habazoot said: most don`t take the Bible literally, (as I do), and thus, if everything is up to private interpretation, you get numerous different `flavors` of Christianity, which really are no Christianity at all, but perversions based on man`s ideas, not God`s word.
    And it isn`t about being `good` just in case, because being good doesn`t get one to heaven-only faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross, when He paid the debt of sin for the world: "Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" (Rom 10:13)
    As for how God knew what a Day was-He made it, He decided what it would be, just as whe He breathed the breath of life into Adam, and in that breath, all the functions of the cells in his body began in perfect form, as they do now. All that was necessary for life, he created, beyond the cells to the DNA and RNA, all the cellular respiration neede
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    toneman Male 30-39
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    June 15, 2009 at 8:22 pm
    You are correct...Christians and Jews have different interpretations. The Jews are still waiting on their Messiah! Dumbass!
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    yblusky Male 30-39
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    June 15, 2009 at 8:23 pm
    Toneman please don`t start a fight here and talk trash about some guy`s religion. It`s nice.

    I think a fight should be out in a private place to bother no one. PEaCE

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    yblusky Male 30-39
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    June 15, 2009 at 8:23 pm
    I meant not nice. and it was in response to "Like all Christians, you avoid the pointed questions."- Toneman
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    habbazoot
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    June 15, 2009 at 8:27 pm
    "check please" as in, i`m done. i answered your question.
    the Bible is NOT the word of God. It is Man`s version of the word of God. and, like ukulelemike, everyones different, we get different branches.
    and baptists are wayyyyyyy different from roman catholics and lutherans, and the such.

    and thats not what i meant by interprets differently, but sure. pick that one.

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    qwelch Female 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 8:27 pm
    But why would it take so long? If God is truly Omnipotent (All powerful) wouldn`t he have the power to do it in a nano-second?
    ---
    Entirely true, but at the same time, just because God has the option to do something, doesn`t mean that he has to do it the most efficient way.
    -
    Big Bang or God. Either one you choose you have to realize both came from nothing.

    Also true, but if you assume that God created time and space (included in the description of `everything`, I guess) then you can assume he exists outside of it. Hence, something coming from "nothing" can be explained by when God created both time and space - since, in theory, "nothing" is the closest word to describe what was there before.

    I`m certainly no theologian nor am I a philosopher, but that the best guess I can provide. Tell me what holes are in this idea and where. :)

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    habbazoot
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    June 15, 2009 at 8:28 pm
    toneman, stop trolling.
    one more thing:
    you say christians avoid the pointed questoions.
    well, apparently atheists avoid the pointed answers.
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    habbazoot
    2116 posts
    June 15, 2009 at 8:30 pm
    qwelch, its time space, not time and space.
    other than that, spot on.

    i believe God created the big bang, but im sure toneman will try to call me ignorant and prove me otherwise...

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    IONIC Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 8:30 pm
    Kay, im gonna try and answer this, without looking at the below comments, or the one directly above where i am writing this.

    There are a few possiblities. Either a) god took a certain amount of time to create the universe, and just so happens, that amount of time equalled six full rotations of the earth, and to simplify it, they said he took six days...

    b) god created the universe, and when he was making the earth, he made the rotation take one sixth the amount of time it took him to complete the universe. (This one is iffy, because how would he know how long it took to create the universe until after he was finished. For this to work, he must have set the earth on its rotation last)

    or c), some non-nice individual writing a book picked some arbituary number out of his ass that coincided with the number of days in the week.

    Any of those are fine with me...

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    toneman Male 30-39
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    June 15, 2009 at 8:30 pm
    No, it doesn`t answer my question. It simply justifies why you continue to believe.

    The answer to the question is because it is not the true word of God! The contents of both halves were chosen by man based on a few factors. First, the gospels were popular with Christians at that time. Furthermore, other books contradicted what the church was trying to force on the masses.

    Most religions revolve around three main factors: Fear, Greed, and Control!

    Finally, isn`t it obvious? I used toneman because my name is Jeramiah!

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    Clowney Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 8:30 pm
    Here is the answer,
    God didn`t create the measurements for time. We started calling things `day`s` and moses wrote genesis so it was him who said god did it in six human days.
    (make sense, its hard to convey :S)
    and there is one true religion, people just don`t follow it.
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    IONIC Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 8:31 pm
    PS. SpaceTiger has the right idea. We are all heading to the same place, whether its the ground, heaven, or oblivion, so why sweat the details.
  82. Profile photo of yblusky
    yblusky Male 30-39
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    June 15, 2009 at 8:32 pm
    Habbazoot, how about we just forget about this and let the IAB go about as if nothing has happened??

    I don`t think what we are arguing about is that important anyways.

    So basically, let`s move on.

  83. Profile photo of shinsvaka
    shinsvaka Male 18-29
    308 posts
    June 15, 2009 at 8:32 pm
    Well, this is a very simple answer... god know what is to come. he know everything, the alpha and omega... he will know when we will die... also in the bible, it says that he knew you even when you where in the womb... soooo, easy.

    Although "ukulelemike" is kinda correct. although the bible has many parts that are parables. or saying, not ment to be taken seriously... just like when the bible says that a day in heaven is as 10000 days on the earth... so people can determine if when the bible says that god created the earth in 7 days.... could it mean 70000 days? see, everyone has their own interpretation of different parts of the bible. although some parts you shouldnt think different, such as jesus christ dying for our sins, and if we believe we will have eternal life....... as you people can see, i am a christian.

  84. Profile photo of toneman
    toneman Male 30-39
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    June 15, 2009 at 8:33 pm
    I`ll consider "toneman, stop trolling." as `Uncle!`
  85. Profile photo of shinsvaka
    shinsvaka Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 8:33 pm
    6 days*****
  86. Profile photo of Clowney
    Clowney Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 8:34 pm
    every physical things is mass and comes from energy. pure enrgy focused equals mass (an atom bomb is the reverse, mass into energy... chk chk BOOM!).
    Not all religions are based on greed and fear but most are, what if i could show you from the bible that god doesnt approve of 99% or religions? :)
  87. Profile photo of yblusky
    yblusky Male 30-39
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    June 15, 2009 at 8:35 pm
    Toneman stop talking. I think that`ll solve everything. But before you do answer my question please.

    If you scroll down you`ll see my post that starts with Dear Toneman. My questions is there.

    Thanks

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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 8:37 pm
    "On a parting note, nearly every religion aside from Buddhism relies on Pascal`s Wager. We don`t know if there is a God but we`d better be good just in case. "

    I don`t give a flying drat about Pascal and his bet. I`m Catholic because I believe that the Catholic church is the one true church, not because, oh its better to be one than to be one.

    " The Bible itself starts off with contradiction."
    No it doesnt. Creation story one says he created man in his own image. Creation story 2 says he created Adam out of "Adama" which is hebrew for dirt.

    Its more of a transition to the other parts of the Bible than it is a true creation story

  89. Profile photo of habbazoot
    habbazoot
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    June 15, 2009 at 8:39 pm
    yblusky, yeah, im going to bed.
    flame wars accomplish nothing.
    especially when people like toneman say i didnt answer it, and then say the answer is the exact answer i said, just to start an argument for his own enjoyment
    goodnight
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    habbazoot
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    June 15, 2009 at 8:44 pm
    toneman, one more thing:
    KISS sucks ass
  91. Profile photo of ChickenVomit
    ChickenVomit Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 8:44 pm
    hes god?
  92. Profile photo of Clowney
    Clowney Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 8:45 pm
    so what i was trying to say before is that big bang or no big bang everything come from a massive source of energy. What do the atheists propose that is?
  93. Profile photo of Djer
    Djer Male 18-29
    842 posts
    June 15, 2009 at 8:46 pm
    Here`s my two cents worth:

    We weren`t there. God was. We have no idea how long it actually took to create the world. We probably never will. Ergo, we don`t need to argue about it.

  94. Profile photo of k10josumm
    k10josumm Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 8:51 pm
    lol this argument is not only pointless but pathetic. most of you are wrong half the time. wrong as in, you are right according to what the masses believe, but WRONG according to actual fact. most religions are based off of things that occur in nature, like how the cross came to be a holy symbol (has to do with stars). if you have really done your research you will find the many contradictions in the bible and EVERY religion ive heard of except perhaps buddhism.. most of the stories of creation, and even jesus` life story are found VERY similarly in multiple other religions, not just christianity. i believe that in the end most religious people all believe the same thing, and that slight variations cause the extremists and fanatics to run their mouths. the question you need to ask yourself about god is not if you are in the right religion. no legitamate or plausible god would send a good person to hell just because they called themself a different name.
  95. Profile photo of britt566
    britt566 Female 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 8:53 pm
    God knows everything, even before it happens.

    That shouldn`t even be a question.

    It`s GOD we`re talking about here!

    Don`t question his knowledge.

  96. Profile photo of yblusky
    yblusky Male 30-39
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    June 15, 2009 at 8:53 pm
    thats what i said Djer.

    Lets go ask God to find out

  97. Profile photo of urbanlegend
    urbanlegend Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 8:53 pm
    this is garbage
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    ateddybear0 Male 13-17
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    June 15, 2009 at 8:55 pm
    The simple answer is their is no such thing as God or at least no such thing as god as described in our worlds many relgions.
    The answer that best goes along with the judeo-christan relgions that I read hear is that God knows all that has happend and all that will ever be he is all knowing but if God exist and is all know then it dose not make sense that he would have allowed the devil into the garden of eden or to interact with humans in any way shape or form, becasue he created man in his image to live happily in the garden of eden or so says genisis. But if man was inteded to live in the garden of eden and God knows all that will happen then why would he allow the devil to enter that garden which resulted in man being kicked from that garden of eden, so god created the garden of eden knowing that man would be kicked from it, know that it would result in all the pain and suffering that humans faced sience then. So by not preevented the devil from entering the garden he allowed pa
  99. Profile photo of k10josumm
    k10josumm Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 8:56 pm
    as many before have said. the bible is a translation. GOD DID NOT WRITE THE BIBLE. therefore he cannot be accountable for its mistakes. if you saw/read angels and demons you would have heard perhaps the most brilliant quote of the work: that religion/god is not flawed, but that MAN is flawed. all man. creating flaws in religion. and could someone please point out to me what the difference is between a cult and religion, besides size?
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    ateddybear0 Male 13-17
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    June 15, 2009 at 8:57 pm
    and suffering to enter the world which allowing pain and suffering if one could easily prevent it with out any cost to ones self is just as bad as being the one cau"sing the pain and suffering. So if God by not preventing the devil from entering the gardern is bad and by definition god can`t be bad then god is either a lieing manipulative bastard or God does not exist you dicide.
  101. Profile photo of shinsvaka
    shinsvaka Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 8:58 pm
    Well ateddybear.. he wanted us to choose, whether to live in happiness or doomed. it was a test. to see if we could. although this is confusing in itself. like my pastor says "the only way we will know for sure is when we ask god himself in heaven"
  102. Profile photo of k10josumm
    k10josumm Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 8:58 pm
    teddybear that is a natural response. why doesnt god just make everyone go to heaven and all that. if he can do anything then that should be easy. however, the bible says, well at least preachers ive heard, say that god wants man to have free will. he wants us to WANT to love him and do the right things, for him :) although you should do whats right for yourself, not just for god.
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    aboredfool Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 8:58 pm
    he just decided it, end of story
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    ak2nc1 Female 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 8:59 pm
    blah.
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    cman7721 Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 9:00 pm
    first of all, to all the psycho-babble here, nobody wants to read that. second, i COULD get all serious and quote where it says in the bible that God`s time is not our time, but that would take away from the joke.

    kinda like you did, mr. teddybear-whatever. spellcheck man. drat you.

  106. Profile photo of britt566
    britt566 Female 18-29
    2290 posts
    June 15, 2009 at 9:01 pm
    If you don`t believe in god, then leave this forum. There is no reason for you to be here.

    Cause we get it... you don`t believe.. and you`ll give your scientific reasons of why he is not real.

    We have been through this before, but now that we are on the subject of GOD, there is no reason for your reasons of why he is not real.

    The question was about god. Not about if he is real.

    I`m hungry for chocolate.

  107. Profile photo of k10josumm
    k10josumm Male 18-29
    432 posts
    June 15, 2009 at 9:03 pm
    personally, i am currently nonreligious. ex-christian. for the simple fact that churches and religion are all biased, inaccurate, and simply ignorant. its not god i think isnt right, or the idea of god, but the fact that churches and religions warp the ideas and concepts to fit their own opinions and ideals. religion came about because man wanted to believe in something, and needed something to explain the unexplainable. ill bet anything that as we learn more and more, less and less explanation will be needed, leaving less religions people. the ONLY "religion" that has grown consistently over the past decade has been atheism. that tells you something....
  108. Profile photo of ateddybear0
    ateddybear0 Male 13-17
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    June 15, 2009 at 9:04 pm
    If free will is the case then the whole garden of eden was pointless we didn`t need it at all god knew before hand it didn`t work if he wanted to have free will all he had to do was put us in to the post-garden of eden world, it like he telling. The garden of eden is sounds like a big f-you to the human race, the resulted the poor treatment of women for thousands of years becasue it was eve that ate the apple.
  109. Profile photo of k10josumm
    k10josumm Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 9:05 pm
    and yes for the record this is just a joke. the answer takes away the joke. its not supposed to have an answer, just to confuse people. like me lol
  110. Profile photo of dm2754
    dm2754 Male 40-49
    3362 posts
    June 15, 2009 at 9:07 pm
    he`s God, he can see the future. duh
    not to mention it`s a very simple math question.
  111. Profile photo of britt566
    britt566 Female 18-29
    2290 posts
    June 15, 2009 at 9:07 pm
    Oh and by the way. Out of ALL of the questions about god... why this one?
  112. Profile photo of k10josumm
    k10josumm Male 18-29
    432 posts
    June 15, 2009 at 9:07 pm
    ateddybear, look up deism, i think thats what its called. god created the world, and then sat back and watched as it changed and grew and evolved. he wanted things to occur without his influence, so to speak. for man to make their OWN decisions and to be completely uninfluenced. maybe thats why everyone in this damn forum has their own ideas o_O
  113. Profile photo of lolphotoshop
    lolphotoshop Male 13-17
    392 posts
    June 15, 2009 at 9:11 pm
    -cough- Well, he decided what a day was, DUHHH
  114. Profile photo of ladyzeppelin
    ladyzeppelin Female 13-17
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    June 15, 2009 at 9:13 pm
    Ha.. hahaha. Did people really take that seriously?
  115. Profile photo of Omega3_DHA
    Omega3_DHA Male 13-17
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    June 15, 2009 at 9:15 pm
    it had something to do with hebrew context but I forgot =/
    But "day" could of meant any period of time supposedly, anywhere from seconds to millenniums
  116. Profile photo of Turf
    Turf Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 9:16 pm
    "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters. Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and morning, one day." Genesis 1: 1-5

    "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Therefore, before everything else was created there was at least an earth. Because there was an earth, there could be a rotation of the earth and thus the days are defined.

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    jareddevour Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 9:20 pm
    Eh, there are better arguments. As an Atheist, I can answer with something to the effect of "God invented the day, so he always knew what a day was, and created the earth`s rotation to fit those standards of a day." That`s ignoring the fact that 90% of christians don`t believe in the literal interpretation of genesis. So, Yeah. Whatever.
  118. Profile photo of Adamance
    Adamance Male 13-17
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    June 15, 2009 at 9:34 pm
    ill just cheat off of everyone else so i guess i get in XD
  119. Profile photo of bingo5765
    bingo5765 Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 9:46 pm
    What`s that? ignorant raptor hyper-critical of Christianity? thought so.
  120. Profile photo of tweekthief
    tweekthief Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 9:47 pm
    Because chuck norris showed up riding a metorite like a horse and told him how it was going to be. Everyone knows that.

    "In the beginning, Chuck Norris round house kicked god, to whicheth he layed out cold for six days, and once awoketh, though it had been only one day, because time travels 6 times faster at the end of Chuck Norrises boot. Chuck Norris had left soon after the beating of god, in seek of a more challenging fight."

    Thats just fact right there, its in the bible guys, come on.

  121. Profile photo of mystery08
    mystery08 Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 9:48 pm
    The Hebrew word that translates to day in the bible means a period of time. The bible says that god created the universe in 6 periods of time.

    Still the bible is inconsistent and non-scientific.

    Yeay i get to go to heaven =)
    ...oh wait

  122. Profile photo of SuperSmash
    SuperSmash Male 18-29
    3758 posts
    June 15, 2009 at 9:54 pm
    God never knew, or needed to know, how long a day was. The whole concept of a day was created later.

    See, God never said "I created the Earth in 6 days". Later, people concluded that he did.

    Is this a real riddle or some passive-aggressive anti-Christian thing?

  123. Profile photo of Bremir
    Bremir Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 9:56 pm
    britt566 - Eh, everyone has the right to be here whether they believe or not. Personally I don`t see this as an actual question for debate. I felt there was a hint of sarcasm, especially due to the image itself.

    Funny, nearly a thousand years ago people were killing each other debating whose religion was "correct". Now people sit behind computer screens and whinge when someone doesn`t agree with their beliefs.

    Great we aren`t killing each other over it, but after hundreds of years of blood shed you`d think people would learn.

  124. Profile photo of tannerb924
    tannerb924 Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 10:02 pm
    im not defending god or the bible or anything but im just saying the whole "6 days" thing means the EQUIVALENT of 6 day`s time
  125. Profile photo of gilly_60
    gilly_60 Male 13-17
    108 posts
    June 15, 2009 at 10:05 pm
    hmm well in a day you have one day time and one night time.
    soo.. basically you could say god created the earth in 6 daytimes and 6 nighttimes? but that`s just too redundant.
    It`s not THAT hard to figure out how long a day should be. just gotta look outside.
  126. Profile photo of dm2754
    dm2754 Male 40-49
    3362 posts
    June 15, 2009 at 10:09 pm
    This is right up there with the old "could God create a rock that is so big even he cannot lift it?"
    Again an easy answer yes. You carry a rock so big it`s called the planet. You can only build this in space for us there`s nothing to lift off of. duh
  127. Profile photo of CJ-Boy-2010
    CJ-Boy-2010 Male 13-17
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    June 15, 2009 at 10:13 pm
    God, because "he/it" exists.
  128. Profile photo of nataleedraco
    nataleedraco Female 13-17
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    June 15, 2009 at 10:15 pm
    i dunno bout you people, but i just think that raptor is cute. =P
  129. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    June 15, 2009 at 10:15 pm
    One of these days I`m gonna put a post up called "Gay Photoshopped Republican God" - no picture, no video, no description or text - just to see how many comments it gets!
  130. Profile photo of CJ-Boy-2010
    CJ-Boy-2010 Male 13-17
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    June 15, 2009 at 10:19 pm
    oh and btw, what`s god
  131. Profile photo of wickedsngr
    wickedsngr Female 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 10:21 pm
    Sadly, Bremir... people are still killing each other over who`s religion is right.

    I think ignorance on everyone`s part is completely stupid. If you don`t agree with someone, fine. That is your prerogative. But I think Penn (as in Penn and Teller) put it best in a blog he recently posted on YouTube. He said something to the effect of " If you were standing in the middle of the street and I knew that there was a bus speeding straight towards you, I would tell you about it even if you didn`t believe me. If you truly believe that there is a God, and that there is the possibility that someone might be going to hell for not believing in Him, I think you should proselytize whenever and to whomever you can. If you believe that God exists, how much do you have to hate someone, NOT to proselytize?"

    I just can`t stand people on both sides getting all pissy at each other.

  132. Profile photo of dm2754
    dm2754 Male 40-49
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    June 15, 2009 at 10:24 pm
    For all of you who were arguing who is the one true God? Let`s look at the king`s James Bible.
    Book of Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in OUR image, after OUR and likeness..
    2 Chronicles 25:14 gods of the children of Seir, and set them up to be his gods.
    Exodus 18:11 Now I know that the LORD is greater than all gods

    I can go on like this all day long the Bible makes many references to other gods. What you won`t find in the Bible is any reference saying "The one true God" if there is show me

  133. Profile photo of DIETY
    DIETY Male 13-17
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    June 15, 2009 at 10:27 pm
    None of you are actually answering the question, you`re just getting offended because religion has been disproven by science a million different ways.
  134. Profile photo of dm2754
    dm2754 Male 40-49
    3362 posts
    June 15, 2009 at 10:29 pm
    DIETY:Let`s talk about your scientific proof.and
    the Big Bang theory is as much of a fable as any other religious book.
    Answer this question in the gases they came together to create the Big Bang came from where?
  135. Profile photo of wickedsngr
    wickedsngr Female 18-29
    457 posts
    June 15, 2009 at 10:30 pm
    I reeeeally don`t want to get caught up in this now, as I am very tired. But I thought I needed to reply to this one thing:
    "I can go on like this all day long the Bible makes many references to other gods. What you won`t find in the Bible is any reference saying "The one true God" if there is show me"

    John 14:6 And Jesus said unto him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes unto the Father EXCEPT through me.

  136. Profile photo of Nidonemo
    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 10:31 pm
    I kind of find it funny how people can look at a text that has been pushed through so many content filters, torn apart and re-pieced, mistranslated, intentionally edited, and then say it`s the unquestionable word of God.

    I hear they`re told that anything outside of the bible is a lie and the people that say anything outside of the bible are trying to make them turn to sin or something to that effect.

    I mean...if you wanted to control millions of people, wouldn`t you do so with something like that? Something they have no way of proving or disproving? Something that they can only "have faith" with?

    But then...if you want to believe science, that`s okay too. I`m pretty sure either side can`t really be proven, as it is, both sides of a creation theory.

    So why are we fighting again? Over what MAY have happened to bring us all about?

    Does it really matter at this point?

    Life`s too short for bullsh*t. Why don`t we just go outside and play a game or something?

  137. Profile photo of CJ-Boy-2010
    CJ-Boy-2010 Male 13-17
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    June 15, 2009 at 10:31 pm
    Anyway if "God" created the Universe, then WHO WAS PHONE?
  138. Profile photo of Mondo48
    Mondo48 Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 10:32 pm
    one million? wow. i`ll settle for one. go for it.
  139. Profile photo of darthgoof
    darthgoof Male 13-17
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    June 15, 2009 at 10:32 pm
    he could have just measured the time by using days, but just measuring after he made earth. i guess =/
  140. Profile photo of SuperSmash
    SuperSmash Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 10:33 pm
    "I hear they`re told that anything outside of the bible is a lie"

    Who are they, exactly?

  141. Profile photo of dm2754
    dm2754 Male 40-49
    3362 posts
    June 15, 2009 at 10:36 pm
    >>Nidonemo: So why are we fighting again?<<
    We are arguing because we are BOARD!
  142. Profile photo of wickedsngr
    wickedsngr Female 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 10:36 pm
    @ Nidonemo:

    "Why don`t we just go outside and play a game or something?"

    I`d love to, but I don`t know any outdoor games that can be played at 1:30am? Suggestions?

  143. Profile photo of dm2754
    dm2754 Male 40-49
    3362 posts
    June 15, 2009 at 10:37 pm
    wickedsngr: nice try but not even close.
    That`s just talking about how to get into the Judeo-Christian heaven. Remember other religions there a way leads to a different place. I.e. Valhalla, the happy hunting grounds, or the Divine treasury.
  144. Profile photo of nzkf59
    nzkf59 Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 10:40 pm
    That`s easy... he Googled it!
    Everyone knows that`s where all the answers are
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    Mondo48 Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 10:41 pm
    Nidonemo...thank you. im christian, and your post hints otherwise...but either way...thats probably the most intelligent post i`ve read on this site. kudos to you.
  146. Profile photo of Clorow
    Clorow Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 10:49 pm
    No! Evil ONEism! Every 24-hour rotation of the earth contains four days, for each corner of the earth!

    lol, time cubes

  147. Profile photo of SuperSmash
    SuperSmash Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 10:52 pm
    That`s a very good point Clorow.

    Good answer nzfk.

  148. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    June 15, 2009 at 10:53 pm
    > wickedsngr
    > I don`t know any outdoor games that can be played at 1:30am

    OMG you`re 18-29 and you`ve never heard of Panty Raids or Spray Paint?

  149. Profile photo of TalcumX
    TalcumX Male 50-59
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    June 15, 2009 at 10:59 pm
    He looked at his watch...........geeze, do I have to explain everything?
  150. Profile photo of snargh
    snargh Male 18-29
    26 posts
    June 15, 2009 at 11:00 pm
    hm. dinosaurs are delicious... but... All we know is that we are conscious, because...well aren`t we? There is enough evidence and recreation of the result showing that the "big bang" occurred regardless of what came before or why. But from that "bang" the universe was born, and the universe mixed all its universey stuff together and life happened, and with that life came consciousness...obviously consciousness is the universe`s way of acknowledging its own existence. So the universe is capable of knowing itself, just as each individual life form is born, grown, and conscious of its own being. So I`m typing all this just in case you have overlooked the obvious... make of it what you will...
  151. Profile photo of Takashu
    Takashu Male 13-17
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    June 15, 2009 at 11:01 pm
    Because you take the Bible literally, and that means our 24 hour days...
  152. Profile photo of Nidonemo
    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 11:03 pm
    Online games like the ones on Facebook, wicked. Or Second Life, they have stuff on there I hear too.

    As for "they", good point, ya got me. I retract that.

    (Sure, you`ll let them argue over the stupid creation bullcrap but does my Betty Bowers link make the cut? Nooooo. Who deleted that?)

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    vicious_liar Male 13-17
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    June 15, 2009 at 11:08 pm
    Philosoraptor. you don`t know it? Damn...Well, it`s a sort of spin-off from advice dog. Normally, the joke is that he just asks impossible questions, while that might be mistaken for real philosophy.
  154. Profile photo of opiebreath
    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 11:08 pm
    "> wickedsngr
    > I don`t know any outdoor games that can be played at 1:30am
    OMG you`re 18-29 and you`ve never heard of Panty Raids or Spray Paint?"

    Or streaking, or T-Ping, or robbing banks, or murdering prostituts, or... I mean, what?

  155. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    June 15, 2009 at 11:10 pm
    Sorry Nidonemo, we`re having too much fun at the stoning to be stopped by reason!

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    primetimekin Male 18-29
    7935 posts
    June 15, 2009 at 11:21 pm
    "Nidonemo...thank you. im christian, and your post hints otherwise...but either way...thats probably the most intelligent post i`ve read on this site. kudos to you."

    You obviously havent read my post. I are genious

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    wickedsngr Female 18-29
    457 posts
    June 15, 2009 at 11:38 pm
    Ok, ok... I don`t know of any outdoor games that we can play at 1:30am (now 2:30), that I have felt comfortable playing since I was 18! :P
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    kittymonkey Female 18-29
    52 posts
    June 15, 2009 at 11:40 pm
    Humans created time as a way to communicate and understand nature and life as they live it. Humans wrote the Bible after they decided how to measure time. Let`s say it is true that some things in the Bible were messages from God. It is possible that as God was creating the earth, he had his own definition or sense of time that was not the same as humans. To him it may have been 6 days, but to humans it may have been billions of years.

    Here`s a silly thought that actually kinda makes some sense: Maybe the Big Bang that created the universe was God farting. ^_^

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    hated0love Female 18-29
    344 posts
    June 15, 2009 at 11:44 pm
    simple he`s god he can do anything
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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 11:50 pm
    I mean, everyone has the right to believe exactly what they want to believe, but it`s a whole new ballgame when you start chastising and namecalling people who don`t share YOUR belief.

    I mean, who knows, the entire idea of existence could have fallen out of a vortex in some space alien`s anus for all we know, but the moment you start calling that person an idiot for believing it, is when you`ve lost ALL your credibility.

    It is a way to explain who we are and where we come from, but for effing sake, don`t FIGHT over it. There`s a lot more important things you could be doing...like creating something to inspire someone else, or FINDING FUN AND UNUSUAL CONTENT FOR A LINK-BASED WEBSITE, or drawing a picture...

  161. Profile photo of ShadowRyder
    ShadowRyder Male 18-29
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    June 15, 2009 at 11:50 pm
    "> wickedsngr
    > I don`t know any outdoor games that can be played at 1:30am
    OMG you`re 18-29 and you`ve never heard of Panty Raids or Spray Paint?"

    Or streaking, or T-Ping, or robbing banks, or murdering prostituts, or... I mean, what?
    ===========================================

    Drive-by, hit-and-run, mass murder.... too much?

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    ShadowRyder Male 18-29
    2127 posts
    June 15, 2009 at 11:55 pm
    I agree with nido. I doubt they will listen though. They`re too busy trying to make the other person believe what they believe. It`s just not gonna happen.
    You should do what some parents do to their kids. Let them run around and enjoy the time they`re having. Sooner or later they`ll get tired and call it a day.
  163. Profile photo of KMeTG
    KMeTG Male 18-29
    1265 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 12:01 am
    "Answer this question in the gases they came together to create the Big Bang came from where?"

    Gases?

    If you think the Big Bang was a gas explosion, you`re way off. BBTheory simply states that the universe was much, much smaller than it is now. Originally all matter was energy, compacted into the tiniest possible speck of existence called a singularity. The universe did not come from nothing, nor was it an explosion of a minuscule dot in the empty blackness of space. There was no space, no blackness, no void into which the singularity could explode. It`s just that the universe was smaller and got bigger.

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    mcmonkeyman Male 13-17
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    June 16, 2009 at 12:02 am
    can be build a door that he himself cannot open.
    can he beat chuck norris in a fight?

    WHO KNOWS

  165. Profile photo of KMeTG
    KMeTG Male 18-29
    1265 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 12:06 am
    The problems start when trying to explain where the singularity came from. Let`s make an assumption as an example. Assume that the singularity was the end of a previous universe that couldn`t sustain its size and collapsed back on itself, rather like a black hole. All matter in this universe was converted to energy which, as far as we know, doesn`t keep a record of what it used to be. It`s not as if we can observe the heat from a star and calculate that it used to be part of a planet from an earlier universe.

    Putting it simply, the universe started as a completely blank canvas and, at present, we simply can`t explain where it came from. All we know is, the universe didn`t come from nothing.

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    lostinkorea Female 30-39
    3727 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 12:12 am
    OMG..this was added yesterday and there are already 7 pages? Hmmmm...Here`s my 5 pennies on the subject...
    "God" makes people feel good,knowing that there is a place called "Heaven" where everyone has wings and play harps all day....that makes people feel good; like they have something to look forward to. If that is good for you then by all means go ahead. For all the other realist like me, we know that this is pretty much it. The wars, the strife, poverty, inhumanity & so forth and so on. In our world, God is a fairytale. I wish there were someone "up there" to answer prayers and cure diseases and not make our loved ones die but its not. Unfortunately, we are on our own. When we die, it`s OVER. We go in the ground or get cremated and that`s the end. Going back and forth about God and Jesus and how long a day and all that pointless poo is just that....POINTLESS! Good Day Everyone!
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    gingervitis Female 13-17
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    June 16, 2009 at 12:15 am
    he had a V8 and thunk ahead.
  168. Profile photo of lostinkorea
    lostinkorea Female 30-39
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    June 16, 2009 at 12:17 am
    And also why is it when ANYONE disagree with the MAJORITY they are trolling?

    Mob mentality here...shame on you IAB!

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    primetimekin Male 18-29
    7935 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 12:17 am
    " For all the other realist like me, we know that this is pretty much it. The wars, the strife, poverty, inhumanity & so forth and so on"

    Thats not realism, thats pessimism. I`m a realist, and I`ve found out there is probably more good than bad. It`s easier to find every day good than there is everyday bad. And thats without sugar coating anything

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    Negative_One Male 30-39
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    June 16, 2009 at 12:26 am
    OH FOR
  171. Profile photo of mattriesel
    mattriesel Male 18-29
    134 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 12:31 am
    wow,

    Remember that time you posted something JUST to start a religious flamewar?

    Cause that just happened

    Grow up, I-A-B

  172. Profile photo of lostinkorea
    lostinkorea Female 30-39
    3727 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 12:31 am
    I disagree...and what world are you living in? I`ll buy a one way ticket there. I don`t think the MAJORITY of people are good. They will try and get away with as much as they can. They cheat, lie and steal. (more so "christians")....and before the throwing of the stones begin...I was raised in church too! I went to many different churches to "find my way" but you know what? THEY ARE ALL Hypocrites! I HATE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE. They have no tolerance for anything or anyone. Any one that goes against the grain and or questions anything are heathens. That`s not right! I try and accept people for who they are....whether they are gay, different race, culture ( and I am pretty much an atheist) but religious people DO NOT. They are so judgmental! Why is that?
  173. Profile photo of TKD_Master
    TKD_Master Male 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 12:32 am
    "Thats not realism, thats pessimism. I`m a realist, and I`ve found out there is probably more good than bad. It`s easier to find every day good than there is everyday bad. And thats without sugar coating anything"

    thats half right, primetime, i think its mroe accurate to say, a man sees what he wants to see. if you are looking for everyday good, your going to see it and not notice the bad as much, if your looking for the bad, your going to see it and not so much the good.

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    USFEmoGirl Female 18-29
    1437 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 12:32 am
    My answer prior to looking over the pages of comments I KNOW are attached to this one:

    GOD DOESN`T EXIST.

  175. Profile photo of TKD_Master
    TKD_Master Male 18-29
    4794 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 12:33 am
    and to continue, in the movie x-men wolverine, the old guy says `do you know what happens to a man that goes looking for blood?` wolverine: `what` old man: `he finds it.`

    point being, people see what they want to see.

  176. Profile photo of Alphawolf
    Alphawolf Male 18-29
    161 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 12:34 am
    Lol at the Christ`s Sake. Well he IS all knowing and well I think he could make a day whatever he wanted so theres your answer.
  177. Profile photo of TKD_Master
    TKD_Master Male 18-29
    4794 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 12:35 am
    "GOD DOESN`T EXIST."

    im with that guy, if he does exist, i dont like him and want nothing to do with him. he is no better than a king/pharao/monarch/emperor that says `if you defy me i will kill you. because god does indeed say that. and any being that can create something as terrible as hell, i want nothing to do with them.

  178. Profile photo of TKD_Master
    TKD_Master Male 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 12:38 am
    and also, i know im a good person, if heaven and god do all exist, and they dont let me in heaven solely because i do not believe in god, then i dont even want to go to heaven because i`d be in a terrible place.
  179. Profile photo of TKD_Master
    TKD_Master Male 18-29
    4794 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 12:39 am
    VVV those are my views.
  180. Profile photo of MikeW
    MikeW Male 30-39
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    June 16, 2009 at 12:41 am
    Imagine heaven, seriously. Stuck for eternity with these f`king christian non-nice individuals. I`ll take oblivion, kthx.
  181. Profile photo of Thetas
    Thetas Male 18-29
    1540 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 12:48 am
    Ugh. Okay, I`m not religious but perhaps the person writing the bible described the amount of time it took God to do something using terminology that he could comprehend. It didn`t matter if he had said 144 hours or whatever. After all, the bible was written after the earth was created. It`s like when describing a lost civilization, and you use your own terminology for the things they did, not their terminology.
  182. Profile photo of lostinkorea
    lostinkorea Female 30-39
    3727 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 12:56 am
    wow..TKD Master had much coffee today? lol
  183. Profile photo of TopperHey
    TopperHey Male 18-29
    1930 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 1:05 am
    This doesn`t stimulate me in the slightest. Its a silly, inconcequencial notion about something in the bible. Boo
  184. Profile photo of kipz0r
    kipz0r Male 18-29
    37 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 1:05 am
    The answer would be that God also created the days. (he let the earth rotate in one of his days)
    But then again, the earth is slowing down in its rotation... uhoh.
    The Flying spaghetti monster just created the earth.
  185. Profile photo of ava
    ava Female 40-49
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    June 16, 2009 at 1:13 am
    He`s GOD...therefore omnipotent...a trivial thing like that would just about be inconsequential to him...
  186. Profile photo of Groogle
    Groogle Male 30-39
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    June 16, 2009 at 1:14 am
    It does not clearly stipulate that the 6 days were earth days. You people and your assumptions.
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    JumpRope Male 18-29
    170 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 1:17 am
    picked a random number
  188. Profile photo of LBlues
    LBlues Male 18-29
    713 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 1:25 am
    "He`s GOD...therefore omnipotent...a trivial thing like that would just about be inconsequential to him..."

    Im another omnipotent god, and a trivial thing such as "I`m a liar" is inconsequential to myself.

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    pookie666 Male 18-29
    78 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 1:32 am
    or the real answer, This "god" the church talks about doesnt exist. our god is the Sun, bringer of light, giver of life, grower of food, provider of heat.

    the incans had it right

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    kevinmiller0 Male 18-29
    171 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 1:36 am
    There`s nothing you can really say about this that the religious folk aren`t going to have a reply for. The bible is a made up fairy tale... so it`s not really tough to come up with something like "because god says it was like that.." or whatever
  191. Profile photo of VictoriaIAB
    VictoriaIAB Female 13-17
    88 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 1:36 am
    Pookie666 is right, i never thought of the suna s a god, but he made a very good statement fairly quickly.
  192. Profile photo of bikergirl
    bikergirl Female 18-29
    103 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 1:44 am
    He must of figured that 6 days sounded much more impressive then "And God created the earth.... well, however long it took!".
  193. Profile photo of BBQ
    BBQ Male 18-29
    467 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 1:47 am
    It`s religion, you can`t explain/proove it with logic, sense of reality or anything.. Although you can make a bunch of money from scamming people in the name of "Jesus", "God" or whoever you want to use. Now THAT would be awesome.
  194. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 1:49 am
    Even taking this at a preschool level: You mean how did the all knowing being that can see into the future know how quickly the planet *he was creating* was going to rotate?

    I can`t imagine anyone so stupid that they couldn`t come up with one of the many easy answers to the question, although then again, I didn`t think anyone was around, stupid enough to use it as an argument. Not only that, you`re cheating. You`re talking about a "Solar Day" as if it is the only definition of day, when really there are 12 others. You`re just antagonizing, you`re not contributing.

    "It`s called the big bang, but as we all know there is no sound in a vacuum" <-- Seriously. The argument is that retarded.

  195. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 2:01 am
    *(Incidentally 12 other definitions in English, not counting Hebrew, Latin or Aramaic, and not counting either of the biblical definitions from Peter 3:8 or Genesis 1).

    You want to feel superior, but you are demonstrating astounding ignorance.

    Also, everything Lost in Korea said:
    "I HATE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE" + "I try and accept people for who they are"
    "THEY ARE ALL Hypocrites!" + "They are so judgmental!"

    Seriously? Seriously now? It`s like no one reads what they write anymore. You`re not tolerant at all. You`re a judgmental, hypocritical, intolerant, liar. You couldn`t even get through a single POST without contradicting yourself multiple times and screaming about how you "HATE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE" all caps like some scruffy drunkard going "BLACKS GO BACK TO AFRICA" at the side of the road.

    Antitheism, the politically correct intolerance.

  196. Profile photo of ferdyfred
    ferdyfred Male 40-49
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    June 16, 2009 at 2:07 am
    He took a educated guess, because he could
  197. Profile photo of Jimmy_Recard
    Jimmy_Recard Male 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 2:24 am
    I love philosiraptor.
    And Courage Wolf.
  198. Profile photo of bit817
    bit817 Male 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 2:24 am
    I have been on this earth long enough to understand that there are no true answers to any questions. Just when you think you have learned one thing there is always something around the corner that may change the answer. Also when you are much younger you may think that you are indestructable and will live forever and you may favor science, but when you get older you may learn that there are no true answers and will then be more into religion and faith. Please note these are only generalisations and may not apply to all people.

    I am not going to get into a Religious flame war, as it is pointless. Because everyone believes their faith or non belief to be the truth, based on their own perceptions, that of their peers, or other peoples` perceptions forced upon them.

    My favourite beliefs are:
    1. we are all just sprites in the computer game of life :-)
    2. was it Bill Hicks or The Beatles that said we are all one conciousness experiencing ourself within itself?

  199. Profile photo of bit817
    bit817 Male 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 2:25 am
    As far as the poster is concerned there are 2 basic answers, both answers start with the basic premise that God or a greater being must exist.

    Answer 1
    A day in God`s life is not the same as a day on earth for example 1 of God`s days may be equal to 1000 of our years. Therefore when God created the Universe it took him 6 of His days to create but that may be equal to 6000 of our years. I hope this makes sense. I am not going to get into the whole space-time continuum thing.

    Answer 2
    When God created the universe He may have structured the way the solar system interacts to coincide with 1 of His days. Therefore 24 hours in His world is the same as 24 hours in our world.

    Thus if you Believe in God then you must believe there is a heaven or a hell. etc. etc.

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    bit817 Male 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 2:25 am
    Answer 3
    The answer is 42. God created the Universe in 6 days and rested on the 7th. Therefore 6x7=42. This is for all you Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy fans out there lol. Please note I have never read any of the books, I just remember it being on TV in the UK when I was a kid.
  201. Profile photo of MrsBren
    MrsBren Female 18-29
    35 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 2:27 am
    Like Lionhart said, which is a quote from the Bible.

    Either way, I believe God was behind it all, no matter what happened. I`ve experienced too many miracles to deny it.

  202. Profile photo of kipz0r
    kipz0r Male 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 2:37 am
    "It`s called the big bang, but as we all know there is no sound in a vacuum"

    Btw. There is sound in space, only not audible to humans. Space is not a pure vacuum, so there is sound.
    But then again, making an argument like that tells alot.

  203. Profile photo of Legion5
    Legion5 Male 18-29
    438 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 3:02 am
    real answer: people who didn`t understand how the phase of the solar system worked wrote a book and revealed that they are idiots who are poor liars by modern standards by corrupting their history of creation with their concept of the day when the day is not an importan measure of time to anything yet they made it a paramount one.
  204. Profile photo of Spambot3000
    Spambot3000 Male 18-29
    525 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 3:13 am
    And God declared Himself to be an Atheist, which really screwed things up.
  205. Profile photo of Hayllee
    Hayllee Female 13-17
    459 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 3:37 am
    `Cause he`s God, that`s why. :P

    Hehe, I know it is way more logical to say it all happend by science, but really, I don`t see how the earth and everything on it was created randomly. I feel God was the big bang if that makes any sense. :P

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    cleminem9919 Male 13-17
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    June 16, 2009 at 4:04 am
    i think the same thing hayllee.
  207. Profile photo of thetoastking
    thetoastking Male 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 4:11 am
    if he just said let there be light and there was why didnt he say "let there be drating everything"?
  208. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 4:14 am
    Because we have no concept of how long a day is to God. When Moses wrote Genesis, he said day to make it easier for the humans of the time to conceptualize the creation. A day for God could be a day, or a decade, or a millenia, or even 100 millenia (that would explain dinosaurs wouldn`t it?)
  209. Profile photo of domisgood
    domisgood Male 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 4:18 am
    he knows coz i told him
  210. Profile photo of Buddahfinger
    Buddahfinger Male 30-39
    149 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 4:21 am
    He checked his swatch watch...
  211. Profile photo of LordSameth
    LordSameth Male 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 4:29 am
    i think the bigger question here is why the thoughtful dinosaur?

    nah, this one`s too tricky for me. imo God doesn`t know how long a day is because God is an invented concept, made to fill an unnecessary void created by mankind.

  212. Profile photo of rikakitty
    rikakitty Female 18-29
    683 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 4:33 am
    if he just said let there be light and there was why didnt he say "let there be drating everything"?

    ...cause that would make it too goddamn easy.


    and YOU, LordSameth.... you are presently my hero of the day.

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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
    10441 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 4:58 am
    If you read between the lines of the bible, it CLEARLY says "rofl pwnd y0 Ima hAx0r"
  214. Profile photo of natehimmel
    natehimmel Male 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 5:02 am
    The ability for people to defend something by saying "no no no, it REALLY means this," is an interesting one.
  215. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 5:07 am
    Why do people with no faith feel the need to chime in during discussions of faith?
  216. Profile photo of dissero
    dissero Male 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 5:19 am
    God knew exactly how long a day was and gave the Earth the right spin. That proves that he`s real, exactly like his son, Raptor Jesus.
  217. Profile photo of argon8
    argon8 Male 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 5:25 am
    God didn`t necessarily mean to create the Earth in exactly 6 days. It just happened to take that long.
  218. Profile photo of bungled
    bungled Male 30-39
    271 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 5:32 am
    created by man to control sheep like you. Bibles are not free they cost you the only thing god did give you "FREE WILL".
  219. Profile photo of bungled
    bungled Male 30-39
    271 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 5:34 am
    auburnjunky Just because someone does not believe your version of "god" does not mean they have no faith.

    Go convert some natives while your priests rape little boys.

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    mehh Female 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 5:55 am
    auburnjunky: why would they have no right to?
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    hrlhrl2000 Male 30-39
    136 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 5:58 am
    If I respect people`s belief in the invisible magic sky god then my belief that I am a teapot deserves equal respect.
  222. Profile photo of darkhawk
    darkhawk Male 70 & Over
    260 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 5:59 am
    I`m 100% Atheist, but logically the earth would be going at the same speed as gods time table. So one day in heaven (if it would be real) is the same as one day on earth. If you create life wouldn`t you want it to be awake at the same time you are :p. (And just delegate for the other half that is awake when you sleep ^^)
  223. Profile photo of darkhawk
    darkhawk Male 70 & Over
    260 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 6:06 am
    Now that that question is solved. Religion is BAD, any kind of religion. If you need some inviable person to tell you what`s right and wrong and how to live your a sad excuse for a human. Besides, more ppl have died in the name of god then in any other war. Think about it, is religion even useful in any senario?.... (I`ll answer for you, NO)
  224. Profile photo of MisuriX
    MisuriX Male 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 6:24 am
    surely the ultimate answer to this is "because" ?
  225. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    June 16, 2009 at 6:36 am
    Not my priest. I`m not catholic.
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    jedimonk Male 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 6:50 am
    The word is spelled i-n-v-i-s-i-b-l-e. Unless you`re saying that God is incapable of sustaining His own life. So either learn how to spell or back up your outlandish claims about this "imaginary God that can`t sustain His own life." Either way you`re retarded.
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    jedimonk Male 18-29
    188 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 6:51 am
    And you are obviously completely ignorant of modern philosophy. Otherwise, you would know that a natural negative is impossible to prove and defending one is lunacy. There is no greater example of a natural negative than atheism. If you insist on pretending to be smart, at least say you`re agnostic. That should fit well with your priggish douchebaggery.
  228. Profile photo of MisuriX
    MisuriX Male 18-29
    512 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 6:51 am
    one thing i wanna konow is...why isnt the bible in the sci-fi/fantasy section of waterstones or borders?

    its in the "fact" section. yet it was written 1800 years ago but celibate wine guzzling jesus freaks.

    yet salman rushtie (??) satanic verses is in the fiction bit....isnt it basically teh same thing. a crackpot wrote a book, other religions hate and is revered by some but mostly not by the rest of the world?

    and dont bash my view aside as y`all be hypocritical as im not bashing yours out the way, i just choose not to believe in a "being" that made a planet in </= 7 days.

    what the other planets? what about the cavmen? if we were made in "his" image, shouldnt i be black, jewish and have massive breasts about now?

  229. Profile photo of AbiElectric
    AbiElectric Female 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 6:55 am
    ALSO days have different values on different planets.

    Just thought of it. haha

  230. Profile photo of jedimonk
    jedimonk Male 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 6:57 am
    To my knowledge there is no "Fact" section in Borders. I have only ever seen the Bible in the Religion section which makes perfect sense as it is a Book that is the foundation for a Religion.
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    lucehLOW Female 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 7:02 am
    i`ve studied, philosophy, i can answer this easy peasy =]

    due to god`s transcendency, he is not subject to our rules of time

    thus, a "day" could just be an unspecific period of time, not the literal 24 hours

  232. Profile photo of Megido
    Megido Male 18-29
    439 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 7:08 am
    "i`ve studied, philosophy, i can answer this easy peasy =]

    due to god`s transcendency, he is not subject to our rules of time

    thus, a "day" could just be an unspecific period of time, not the literal 24 hours "

    Sounds more lie a theologian`s way to dodge the question if you ask me. Also one would have to ask why god would, through his prophets, phrase it in such a way.

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    AbiElectric Female 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 7:11 am
    "Sounds more lie a theologian`s way to dodge the question if you ask me. Also one would have to ask why god would, through his prophets, phrase it in such a way."

    Exactly.
    I mean like, why 6 days instead of say 10 or even 1. If its an unspecified amount of time then what would be the point in saying 6?

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    skite111 Male 30-39
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    June 16, 2009 at 7:21 am
    God said let there be light......then the next day he created the sun and the moon.
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    Megido Male 18-29
    439 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 7:22 am
    And here`s another brain teaser for all you religious types: why, if he exists, is god such a cryptic SOB? What`s with prophets and books? Why did angels come and talk to people all the time while the bible was written but not anymore? Why hasn`t there been a bible 3.0 if it was seen fit to update previously? And how the feck could a book written by a perfect being not be perfect (old testament)? Also, how come a god that created all of humanity has a chosen people? What freaking point does that serve other than alienating everyone else?

    Honestly, what plausible reason could god have for not just coming down to earth, smiting all the draters in need of smiting then saving the remaining god-fearing people?

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    cazforshort Male 70 & Over
    12 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 7:23 am
    HERE IS WHERE I GOT THE INFO FOR THE WARS
    More wars(+deaths) were for border disputes.

    "I`m 100% Atheist, but logically the earth would be going at the same speed as gods time table. So one day in heaven (if it would be real) is the same as one day on earth. If you create life wouldn`t you want it to be awake at the same time you are :p. (And just delegate for the other half that is awake when you sleep ^^)" this is just stupid. As far as the whole time thing, I dont see why a God couldnt create the world in one day so why would it be strange for him to wait for it to rotate. Hey it might have somthing to do with layers. We realy dont know why and It doesnt mater what you say to disprove it because you cant say for sure. You dont know God or how He works.

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    Megido Male 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 7:25 am
    "More wars(+deaths) were for border disputes."

    War is seldom initiated because of religion directly, but is often used as a motivator and an excuse.

  238. Profile photo of cazforshort
    cazforshort Male 70 & Over
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    June 16, 2009 at 7:27 am
    Darkhawk is 100% wrong.
    "Now that that question is solved." That doesnt solve anything. You can find hundreds of other explanations in the comments for this post let alone the internet.
    "Religion is BAD, any kind of religion." This is is total ignorance of other peoples beliefs. Religion not only saves lives and gives hope, it also gives somthing to look forward to.
    "If you need some inviable person to tell you what`s right and wrong and how to live your a sad excuse for a human." First of all nonreligious humans only make up about 16% of the world so saying that the rest of it is not human is ridiculous. Most religions allow choice anyway. Some are more strict than others. Religion is not inviable concidering that most have been around B.C. Fighting through the rise and fall of a plethora of civilizations.
    "Besides, more ppl have died in the name of god then in any other war." More people die from Ischemic heart disease then anythin
  239. Profile photo of kdawg
    kdawg Male 40-49
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    June 16, 2009 at 7:29 am
    That`s the best question atheism has? Very sad. FAIL for atheism.
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    cuchulainn Male 30-39
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    June 16, 2009 at 7:31 am
    here is a deal for any of you who are seriously interested. I will do my best to answer any question about the christian faith, via email. all i ask is an open mind and a willingness to discuss matters rationally. check my profile for my email.
  241. Profile photo of cazforshort
    cazforshort Male 70 & Over
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    June 16, 2009 at 7:36 am
    "War is seldom initiated because of religion directly, but is often used as a motivator and an excuse.
    "
    How would you know that. How would you know that a war would have a hidden reason of being fought. War being a motivator and a reason for fighting other countries with differnt religions or ,hundreds of centuries ago, regions of a country? It would be impossible for somthing like that to happen. Even the Cristian crusades were out in the open.
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    Megido Male 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 7:36 am
    "That`s the best question atheism has? Very sad. FAIL for atheism."

    How about answering the questions then, rather than some artard semantics about how FAIL it is to be able to actually criticizes what you read and hear.

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    The-Sentinel Male 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 7:43 am
    Dur, because god is all-knowing of course...

    it is a good question, which leads me to believe the bible might not have meant it literally.

    Still, I don`t believe in it so :/

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    Megido Male 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 7:44 am
    cazforshort:

    https://www.afresearch.org/skins/rims/q_mod_be0e99f3-fc56-4ccb-8dfe-670c0822a153/q_act_downloadpaper/q_obj_2a060d6f-fbf5-41e6-afa2-48faed3a61d9/display.aspx?rs=enginespage

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    a1butcher Male 40-49
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    The-Sentinel
    Male, 13-17, Europe
    666 Posts
    Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:43:35 AM
    "Dur, because god is all-knowing of course...
    it is a good question, which leads me to believe the bible might not have meant it literally.
    Still, I don`t believe in it so :/ "

    ~ 666 posts. WOW . good timing Sentinal

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    ohplease Male 50-59
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    June 16, 2009 at 7:47 am
    Ok does any rational being really believe in the
    "Old man in the sky"? OHPLEASE! You need to just realize you should be good for the sake of good, not because you fear some post death retribution. Don`t worship GOD, worship GOOD. What kind of cheesy god would require our adulation?
  247. Profile photo of darkhawk
    darkhawk Male 70 & Over
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    June 16, 2009 at 7:51 am
    @cazforshort Your religious right? Just because you are makes it pointless to argue with you sins your to stubborn to EVER admit he doesn`t exist. But for the fun of it, here we go.
    1. Question is solved: It was just a answer. I don`t believe in god so the fact that he made the world is bs for me.
    2. The war thing: You only counted war`s for political reasons you didn`t count on terrorist attacks etc. But even then, i said WAR, not WARS. So I`m still right. (your ref to a disease has nothing to do with what i said)
    3. Religion is bad: I said your a sad excuse for a human, i didn`t say your not A human. And religion doesn`t save lives, ppl do. Even without it ppl would still be saved. And if you need religion for hoop. Again, understandable but still sad. And you look forward to a life after death, what ever is after death is not by any means a religious belive. You could just become energy or what ever. Also religion has ben there since BC because no one had a explanation for
  248. Profile photo of mattriesel
    mattriesel Male 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 7:52 am
    Before the ruler was invented, how did we know how long an inch was?


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    darkhawk Male 70 & Over
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    June 16, 2009 at 7:55 am
    Also you cant even make the tiniest of jokes here or there will be some idiot who takes it as real and starts calling you out on it. Lighten up ppl. If you get this upset for some one els his believes/opinion why the f*ck should we respect yours?
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    darkhawk Male 70 & Over
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    June 16, 2009 at 8:05 am
    @ ohplease: your the man :)"You need to just realize you should be good for the sake of good"
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    rocknroll892 Male 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 8:07 am
    an inch was the length of the king`s first knuckle of his pointer finger to his second knuckle. yeah, i`m a smart ass.
  252. Profile photo of mangamonkey
    mangamonkey Male 18-29
    124 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 8:08 am
    being good out of a fear of hell.......well theres an oxymoron how can you be truly selfless when the alternative is damnation

    being good because of religious beleifs instead of just being a good person is like being forced to lie with a gun pointed at your head

    flashfact, good aetheists are inherently more moral than good beleivers, we`re good for the sake of good, not to save ourselves or worm our way into an afterlife

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    ukbox Male 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 8:08 am
    he used his dick
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    shizzamX Female 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 8:16 am
    WHY IS /b/ ON MY I-A-B this is where i come to cleanse my mind!
  255. Profile photo of fattpill
    fattpill Male 30-39
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    June 16, 2009 at 8:21 am
    Because HE created the day also and he knew beforehand how long he was going to make the day before he made it. it is kind of like you knowing what color you are going to paint your house before you paint it.
    questions like this do not make God look bad they make you look like you didnt think about what you were going to ask.
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    nobody404 Male 13-17
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    June 16, 2009 at 8:22 am
    "flashfact, good aetheists are inherently more moral than good beleivers, we`re good for the sake of good, not to save ourselves or worm our way into an afterlife"

    I`m not an atheist, but I don`t worry about the afterlife. I try to be good to everyone as much as I can, simply for the sake of being good. I believe there`s an afterlife, but even if there weren`t, I would live the same way I do today. I try to better this life, I`ll handle whatever else there is when it gets here.

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    AlfishKK Female 18-29
    782 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 8:22 am
    God is God, you can`t try and trap Him by human limitations!

    I`m sick of anti-Bible theories that try to accuse God of fallacies. If God is real, it doesn`t matter what your conceptions of Him are--He would be more powerful and more omnipotent than you would be capable of understanding.

    If He`s not real, than the Bible is full of crap because people are full of crap. What I`m saying is anything wrong with the Bible comes from people; involving God in your discussion makes absolutely no sense.

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    aznclueless Male 18-29
    329 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 8:36 am
    somebody probably pointed this out already but..

    god made the universe in a certain amount of time, we as earthlings define time in minutes, hours, days etc. if we lived on jupiter we would say god created the universe in 14 days. good try though (i am an atheist).

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    bellasmommyx Female 18-29
    82 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 9:37 am
    God is just SUPER smart, lol.
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    lostinkorea Female 30-39
    3727 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 9:42 am
    Also, everything Lost in Korea said:
    "I HATE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE" + "I try and accept people for who they are" "THEY ARE ALL Hypocrites!" + "They are so judgmental!"Seriously? Seriously now? It`s like no one reads what they write anymore. You`re not tolerant at all. You`re a judgmental, hypocritical, intolerant, liar. You couldn`t even get through a single POST without contradicting yourself multiple times and screaming about how you "HATE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE" all caps like some scruffy drunkard going "BLACKS GO BACK TO AFRICA" at the side of the road.
    _________
    Baalthazaq
    REALLY....You can take a word here and word there but my basic message is that Christians and people of god are JUDGMENTAL! Plain and simple. I don`t randomply attack people for the hell of it or because what they are doing is not written in that "magic book". GIVE ME A dratING BREAK! And I have heard that last comment you wrote about blacks
  261. Profile photo of lostinkorea
    lostinkorea Female 30-39
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    June 16, 2009 at 9:43 am
    not sure why you included it....but what is your point??? REALLY! what is your point?
  262. Profile photo of killergamer
    killergamer Male 13-17
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    June 16, 2009 at 9:47 am
    the answer is...... he asked chuck norris
  263. Profile photo of lostinkorea
    lostinkorea Female 30-39
    3727 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 9:47 am
    Long ago, man, in his ignorance, created gods to make sense of the world. Then, when that failed, man created science. Science has been the most successful way of discovering truth ever invented. For example, we no longer have to pray for the sick or exorcise demons - we heal with medicine. Science has, in every way, proven far more effective than religion.

    God is no longer necessary, and I say good riddance.

    Thank you and good night!!!

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    dominict2013 Male 13-17
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    June 16, 2009 at 9:55 am
    uhhh..... HES GOD
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    mac_n_cheese Male 13-17
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    June 16, 2009 at 10:21 am
    lol at epic religious debate v v
  266. Profile photo of JoshT
    JoshT Male 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 10:30 am
    he`s not real

    just throwing that one out there...

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    Dean-j Male 13-17
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    June 16, 2009 at 10:35 am
    My guess is that the period of time defined as a `day` exsisted before that of the Earth, and God just made the Earth rotate in that amount of time because it`s easy like that...

    Sorry if somebody offered this. Couldn`t be bothered to read through 11 pages of religious bull.

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    firefliet Female 18-29
    1232 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 10:47 am
    lol@ religious debate.

    (For the sake of argument, I`m going to assume that the creation story is true. Not necessarily what I believe, but the question calls for it.)

    Anyway, back then a day was an infinite yet infinitesimal amount of time. Well, since time hadn`t technically been invented yet either. What God probably did was split his work into six sections of indeterminate length, then put one section for rest, since even the Almighty deserves a break from humanity every now and then. We`d just call them "days," because that`s really the most important measure of time we had back then. There were two different types of "days" - God-days and Earth-days. Remember that God-days were both an infinite amount of time and an infinitely small amount of time, if they took any time at all. `Cause when it comes to the Lawrd, all kinds of crazy time paradoxes start poppin` up.

    Either that or I`m drunk right now. XD

  269. Profile photo of boris277
    boris277 Male 13-17
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    June 16, 2009 at 11:02 am
    but he created day and night, its up to him how long he wanted to take with it
  270. Profile photo of Shanir
    Shanir Male 30-39
    1074 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 11:29 am
    my theory is that god didnt create the universe get REAL!
  271. Profile photo of DaDooode
    DaDooode Male 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 11:40 am
    Why is there a philosophical dinosaur...?
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    Mustard4242 Female 13-17
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    June 16, 2009 at 11:43 am
    Philosoraptor :`D
  273. Profile photo of Catx
    Catx Male 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 11:50 am
    Seeing as how time is relative to gravity, and gravity is changing slowing time down, the first days could have lasted only minutes or hours.
  274. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 12:04 pm
    My point Korea, is that your bigotry is no different to the bigotry racists have. No difference whatsoever, except that it is your prejudices instead of someone else`s.

    You would be quick to denounce a racist comment, and even quick to denounce someone who attacked your worldview, but you don`t see your own prejudices, because attacking religion is currently politically correct, especially in places like IAB.

    You don`t understand that it is bigotry.

    You didn`t contribute anything to the debate, you merely stated your all caps hatred for another group of people based on their opinions, and furthermore stereotyped them.

    Identical to any KKK justification about why their prejudices are acceptable. They`re not.

    Incidentally, anyone arguing with my "sound in a vacuum" point, please notice it has a big freaking arrow pointing to it saying that it is retarded. The arrow may be relevant.

  275. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
    7935 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 12:05 pm
    "I disagree...and what world are you living in?"
    A world where im sitting at home watching Golf on TV, typing a comment on IAB, drinking bottled water and waiting for my pizza to come. Life is drating beautiful

    "I HATE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE. They have no tolerance for anything or anyone."
    The comedic irony is making me giggle.

    "Go convert some natives while your priests rape little boys."

    You do realize that the majority of sex offenders are actually not Catholic priest and the only reason they get so much attention is because of added media coverage

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    primetimekin Male 18-29
    7935 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 12:09 pm
    "Besides, more ppl have died in the name of god then in any other war. Think about it, is religion even useful in any senario?.... (I`ll answer for you, NO)"

    So you are basically saying if we all have the same belief the world would be better? You are a drating genius grasshopper. I vote for the Allied Atheist Alliance for the United Atheist League. And I`ll fight you for it.

    "I mean like, why 6 days instead of say 10 or even 1. If its an unspecified amount of time then what would be the point in saying 6?"

    7 Had a special meaning at that time.

    "Honestly, what plausible reason could god have for not just coming down to earth, smiting all the draters in need of smiting then saving the remaining god-fearing people?"

    Free will

  277. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
    7935 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 12:16 pm
    "@cazforshort Your religious right? Just because you are makes it pointless to argue with you sins your to stubborn to EVER admit he doesn`t exist. "
    Ad hominem

    "Science has been the most successful way of discovering truth ever invented"

    Because science and religion are separate?John Paul on Science

    "my theory is that god didnt create the universe get REAL!"
    Ok so the universe came out of no where and we are all here just because....makes sense. *throws the Law of Conservation of Matter out the door*


    And on a side note: Baalthazaq! Long time no see

  278. Profile photo of lostinkorea
    lostinkorea Female 30-39
    3727 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 12:25 pm
    What did I contribute? My opinion...or is that NOT allowed these days? What did YOU contribute?
    And yes it may be bigoted, okay you can have that. But I am basing my statement on my experiences that I have had for the 29 years I have been on this earth with religious people. My step-grandfather is a drating minister who is the f*uck*ing devil incarnate. I am not on this "fad" of denouncing god just for the hell of it! And if you have such an issue with me and my comments why the drat are you responding to them. YOU MY FRIEND, STARTING THIS BY RESPONDING TO MY COMMENTS. I didn`t say, "well Baalthazaq, please respond to my comments cause what you think is so drating important to me". "Can I be like you one day?" Nope, I gave my opinion and you had to put your 2 cents in about my comment. Also, why do you keep bringing up racism and the KKK? I am really done with this conversation because it drating grated on my nerves all day.
  279. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
    7935 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 12:29 pm
    "What did I contribute? My opinion...or is that NOT allowed these days? What did YOU contribute?"
    "and you had to put your 2 cents"

    "Also, why do you keep bringing up racism and the KKK?"
    "And yes it may be bigoted, okay you can have that."

    You answer your own questions

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    lostinkorea Female 30-39
    3727 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 12:40 pm
    My comments were not directed to you primetime!
  281. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 12:47 pm
    Hello PTK.

    I`m like MIB.

    I am the best kept secret on the internet.
    My mission to monitor unnecessary religious debate activity on the internet.
    I am your best, last, and only line of defence.
    I work in secret, I exist in shadow.

    And I dress in just shorts, cos I`m usually at home with just the wife arou... cough. I mean in black...

    *bum-ta**bum-ta**bum-ta**bum-ta* Whoooo!
    Background vocals: Here comes Baal-tha-zaq.

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    XxNaruNaruxX Male 13-17
    144 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 12:49 pm
    Because it says in the Bible that one day to God could be a million years to man, so the whole axis equaling one day thing doesn`t apply.
  283. Profile photo of ohplease
    ohplease Male 50-59
    567 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 12:49 pm
    There is no such thing as "religious debate" since faith can`t be debated/proved (thats thier handy out), its simply the difference between superstitous people and rational people. FSM FTW
  284. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 12:51 pm
    I`d say that saying as you "HATE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE" and that me and Prime are "Religious people" at least some of your comments are headed our way, and I think it is more than reasonable for us to respond.

    Similarly, I didn`t ask you to respond, I just called you names. Are you suggesting that when people insult you, you feel some sort of obligation to respond and/or defend yourself?

    If only I had some parallel I could draw between what you did and what I... oh wait there it is!

  285. Profile photo of aeropro
    aeropro Male 13-17
    42 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 12:57 pm
    Because he`s freaking GOD.
  286. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 12:59 pm
    Also, I gotta say, I`m appreciating some of the shorter comments people have left. I did my typical "bla blah blah" full page rant to basically say what a lot of people have said in 4 words.

    "Because he`s God."

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    lostinkorea Female 30-39
    3727 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 1:02 pm
    You`re ridiculous and this whole conversation is ridiculous. All from some itty bitty dino! 12 PAGES...is this a record? Not of a video....not on an article....on a pic of a dinosaur and a question! Go figure! }-)

  288. Profile photo of Megido
    Megido Male 18-29
    439 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 1:34 pm
    "Free will"
    so then God is just a tremendous dick, that let`s his creation run around in the dark with only vague evidence of existence. What a lovely guy. If God means business i think it`s about time for the second coming or some poo. God doesn`t have much ground to stand on anymore, what with science actually accelerating and uncovering more and more mysteries.

    Also the fact that we don`t know where the universe came from does not equal god exists, as per usual that just starts the infinite regress; then where did god come from?

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    Sean162 Male 13-17
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    June 16, 2009 at 1:37 pm
    God isn`t real.
  290. Profile photo of Megido
    Megido Male 18-29
    439 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 1:38 pm
    Sorry i forgot to put citation marks around "evidence" just now :P
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    qwelch Female 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 1:43 pm
    You know what? I had a post here, but I didn`t want it to fan the flame war that much. Only look if you`re willing to argue with a level head. :)

    Teddybear, I hope you know that Angels & Demons isn`t the greatest source for a religious argument. Good quote, too. Because it basically answers your question.
    "Why was the devil allowed into the Garden of Eden if He knew that Adam and Eve were going to disobey?".
    It`s the whole idea of free will, and think of it from a personal perspective: Honestly what would you like better, to be loved non-genuinely (like a gold digger)or to be loved willfully and genuinely? So by giving them choice, they must have been given the option of good or bad. They chose bad - it was their choice, not God`s.

    k10josumm:
    I realize Zeitgeist is a compelling video. However, most of their historians were either very poor, didn`t live around the time of Jesus, or were novelists. It`s not all that much of a credible source.

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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 1:52 pm
    Korea:
    Indeed, I`ve never seen a 12 page response to Pascal`s Wager... oh wait...yes I have, every time it comes up.

    Megido:
    Assuming even the most favorable calculations on a cosmic scale (ironically, the YEC view here is most favourable to you), God last gave his message to his creation 23 God-years ago.

    Using biblical sources, God last gave his message to his creation 2 days ago.

    Using cosmic sources, God last gave his message to his creation 21 minutes ago assuming Jesus was the last time he did so. 15 minutes ago if you assume Mohammed, and a few seconds ago if you take some of the most recent varieties.

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    kittymonkey Female 18-29
    52 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 1:55 pm
    Why can`t people just agree to disagree and not fight over it? I have my own beliefs, and I am totally ok if other people have different beliefs, as long as they don`t try to force their beliefs on me or disrespect me just because i believe something different. All the name-calling and insults aren`t necessary. It is possible to have an intellectual debate without disrespecting each other (yes intellectual because a person isn`t stupid just because they don`t share your ideas). Unfortunately, some people just get way too defensive that they have to resort to insults and yelling. I give props to everyone who posted their answer on here without insulting or disrespecting other people`s beliefs. I also give props to those who have a sense of humor about it.
  294. Profile photo of Megido
    Megido Male 18-29
    439 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 1:59 pm
    Baalthazaq: Well god in all his wisdom must understand that quite a few generations of humans have passed since even the most recent acknowledged holy text came in to being and that a dusty old text filled with contradiction and cryptic metaphors doesn`t have the same impact on a educated person today as compared to 1500 years ago when it hit the shelves and literacy was about as usual as motorized lawnmowers.
  295. Profile photo of tazman321
    tazman321 Male 13-17
    189 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 1:59 pm
    whose to say there werent days in heaven? god modeled man after his likeness, so why not time?
  296. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 2:09 pm
    Basically, why would a being with a lifetime of 6000 -> 5 billion years, give us updates every generation?

    Lets say you wanted a species to worship you. Lets say the greatest form of life in the universe at the moment was the gastrotrich, and lets say you had the capacity to broadcast telepathically to the entire species at will.

    How often would you do it? How quickly would you get bored? If you`re not doing it every 2 days, congratulations, you`re letting generations of gastros die without knowing the glory of you, you "massive dick".

    If the gap was the same as that between any realistic god and us, you`d need to do it every minute. Watching the Full Extended Lord of the Rings set would mean your species could evolve from not having stone tools to being a space faring race.

    Why does it surprise you?

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    tazman321 Male 13-17
    189 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 2:13 pm
    since everyone is having another religious debate, i just thought id clear up some atheists complaints:

    "you say we`ll go to hell...."

    because thats what we BELIEVE, not hatred. you cant have heaven without hell. thats not how christianity, or life works.

    "you have no proof....."

    neither do you, and we have faith.

    "you`re hypocrites...."

    some of us are, but the good ones arent.

    "your priests rape little boys..."

    that says nothing about christianity, and that wasnt even 1% of all child molestations.


    "you`re intolerant."

    no we aren`t. if anything, you are.

    jesus loves you, and i eagerly await your replies.

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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 2:18 pm
    But that, Megido, isn`t the point now is it.

    Lets be clear. Nihilism is easy. It is easy, to purposely misunderstand something, call it a contradiction, stick your fingers in your ears and go "Lalalalalalala, I can`t hear you I win". It does not require God to intercede on your behalf.

    It is exactly like this original post. There is no argument. It is devoid of logical value. Yet you have quite a few people in this thread going "Yeah totally, LOL, theist FTL".

    The question has been answered about 5 times per page in this 12 page thread, yet there are still people who think it has a point. Why would God come and smite you for simply ignoring something that is actually preposterously easy to grasp if you were to expend the same amount of energy thinking about it instead of mutual masturbation with the "unholier than thou" elitists?

    I don`t expect that anymore than I expect Obama to do my Tax Returns for me personally.

  299. Profile photo of oceanbeast
    oceanbeast Male 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 2:29 pm
    ignorance is bliss, if you do not believe in God then i must ask have you tried not only to read the texts but to understand the timeline and philosophy behind it all? not only is this book The Bible i refer to a major major contributer to what was until a few generations back modern western society, the rising number or non believers is correlated to the degradation of traditional moral values and vice versa, draw your own conclusions
  300. Profile photo of Megido
    Megido Male 18-29
    439 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 2:50 pm
    If god can`t be bothered to remind the people expected to believe in him then why indeed should we bother? What`s the point in worshiping a lazy god? I think a "thanks for that whole creation business, but now off to break a few commandments" is about all you`d need. Also if god is all powerful, reminding his minions every once in a while should be a jiffy. It`s peculiar how god is all powerful and all knowing sometimes and then all of a sudden he can`t be bothered because who would have it in them to show attention to those pesky dudes every 2 hours?

    But hey, let`s make one thing very clear here...i`m very open to any sort of coherent argument in gods favor that doesn`t include blind faith or personal experience. The thing is that i`ve yet to see it, and your attempts at fumbling it away with your ramblings doesn`t exactly prove anything. Other than a lack of arguments that is.

  301. Profile photo of Megido
    Megido Male 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 2:54 pm
    "ignorance is bliss, if you do not believe in God then i must ask have you tried not only to read the texts but to understand the timeline and philosophy behind it all? not only is this book The Bible i refer to a major major contributer to what was until a few generations back modern western society, the rising number or non believers is correlated to the degradation of traditional moral values and vice versa, draw your own conclusions"

    Another way to look at it is that the church prosecuted and killed scientists, thus holding society back for generations on end rather than bringing us forward. And that people ethics and morals should be dwindling because of secularization is so laughable that i won`t even begin to argue against it. The fact that you believe such a ridiculous thing leads me to think that whatever i say will fall on deaf ears.

  302. Profile photo of mystyocean
    mystyocean Female 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 3:00 pm
    Oh good grief...how did I foresee this? I knew this link reeked of religious debating material. Good lord.Don`t you people have anything else better to do than argue about "who`s god is better"? Person A believes in god and heaven and hell, Person B believes in god, but not in heaven and hell, and Person C believes in no god. But what`s the use in arguing? You`re only tiring yourselves. I honestly believe if there is a god out there, he or she does not give a DAMN about who we worship, if anything at all, as long as we don`t go out raping little children and killing our neighbors.
  303. Profile photo of Megido
    Megido Male 18-29
    439 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 3:03 pm
    So if a god doesn`t give a hoot about war, disease, terrorism and unjustice...why the eff would he care about raping babies and killing neighbors? :P
  304. Profile photo of puppies04
    puppies04 Male 18-29
    686 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 3:07 pm
    Personally i find it a little bit annoying that God chose to put a water walking superman on the earth when it was least needed. People would and did believe anything that so called *spiritual leaders* told them back then so the whole feeding 1000 people and turning evian into chianti was sort of wasted.

    You people keep telling me its all about faith but according to your book it wasnt always like that God actually used to perform miracles to prove his power. It`s a shame that he seemed to stop doing them just before video cameras were invented.

    I really want to believe, so much so that i only ask god to show me 1 miracle (even a recording of one on a major news broadcaster would do) and i will happily give up my job and house and roam the earth converting all the non believers. Until that happens unfrotunatly im just going to have to stick with the opinion that it`s all a load of made up crap.

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    krabkat Female 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 3:14 pm
    Okay, just once, just one single time, I would like to look at the comments after something REMOTELY to do with religion and find that we have all had a little laugh or just shrugged and thought "Hm, that was weird" and MOVE ON! Why, why, why do people feel the need to debate religion on a site that`s simply trying to bring a little amusement to our lives? Please, try to keep some perspective about these things.

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    xfairylozx Female 13-17
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    June 16, 2009 at 3:32 pm
    He didn`t know how long a day was, he created the earth because he was getting sick of oversleeping.
  307. Profile photo of darkhawk
    darkhawk Male 70 & Over
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    June 16, 2009 at 3:52 pm
    @ primetimekin: "So you are basically saying if we all have the same belief the world would be better?"
    Yes we would (ex if it was, you would still have the WTC towers), but let it be Athiest. And b4 you god boys say anything.
    1. If we all have free will from god, god wouldent mind us not worshiping him. Aslong as you live like a good person he wouldent care.
    2. The bible clearly states that a building for worschip (churche) is a big no no. Same for asking money for it.
    Try arguing that, thats stuff from the bible god boys :p
  308. Profile photo of MrTwidget
    MrTwidget Male 30-39
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    June 16, 2009 at 3:59 pm
    I was down until I read, "God created the universe", then I realized I hate westerns.
  309. Profile photo of oceanbeast
    oceanbeast Male 18-29
    549 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 4:07 pm
    "Another way to look at it is that the church prosecuted and killed scientists"

    the church is made up of men who make errors just like scientists.

    "And that people ethics and morals should be dwindling because of secularization is so laughable that i won`t even begin to argue against it"

    not should, they are dwindling. i don`t think its that laughable i think you just can`t disprove it. and im not talking about the slaughters in africa beacuse of socio political issues or anything like that, im talking abortions (hello there is a drating lifeform growing in there), promiscuity, no self responsibilty/respect, acts done to fill a void in a persons life that lead the degradation of society.

  310. Profile photo of oceanbeast
    oceanbeast Male 18-29
    549 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 4:09 pm
    darkhawk - please enlighten us with those verses, as im not familiar with them but have an odd feeling you quote the old testament, of which many things where changed after the arrival of christ, who was a real man, and is documented historically
  311. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 4:30 pm
    Megido.

    I spent 2 years making arguments. Again, the idea that I should recite them all to you only demonstrates your own self absorption. It is perfectly possible for you to make your own arguments.

    If you really want, look up my 3000 odd posts, and likely 3 or 4 books worth of argumentation on infidels.org for a more complete breakdown. Including my months of asking Atheists what exactly *any* argument looked like, and if they were willing to make an argument for anything at all that stood up to their own criteria, followed by months of silence.

    I`m not here to do your thinking for you, especially not when you see it as a pissing competition that you can "win". It reverts back to "Lalalala, I`m not listening", and a waste of my (limited, non omnipotent) time.

    Again and again, nihilism, is easy.

  312. Profile photo of Megido
    Megido Male 18-29
    439 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 4:35 pm
    Oceanbeast: If people are capable of picking and choosing what parts of the bible are morally correct then the sense of right and wrong must come from elsewhere, or do you stone people to death for working on Sundays? Society is not more so morally bankrupt today than it was previously...unless you find masturbation and internet porn to be crimes against humanity. Which you probably do. Besides, people obviously managed to survive and repopulate before the bible ever existed, the fact that we are here to read it today is a testament to that. The bible and religion is no source or either morality or ethics.

    And yes, scientists make errors, but god obviously doesn`t. That`s the big difference. I can agree to some extent that religion helped build society since the peasants in feudal societies were basically pacified by the church and the promise of a grand afterlife but you won`t get me admitting anything farther than that.

  313. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 4:40 pm
    For that matter, look up some of my posts on IAB. *I* am not here as a copy paste machine every time someone repeats the arguments I`ve heard 1000 times before to give them their own personal lecture.

    GO FIGURE IT OUT. It`s a fundamental flaw that you seem to think I need to be here for you to do that.

    Imagine you meet a pretty lady. Would you come on these forums to ask me to put your penis in her ladybits for you? No, you`d figure it the drat out all on your lonesome. Go do that (the figuring part, although if you find someone with ladybits more power to you).

  314. Profile photo of Megido
    Megido Male 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 4:45 pm
    Baalthasaq: The way i see it proving god is your responsibility and not mine. If it worked the other way around we`d never make any progress. If you have an extraordinary claim, you`d better have extraordinary proof. I`ve seen you post before and it seems that it`s always the same rhetoric on your part as well. The "I don`t need to explain myself to you" gambit just isn`t going to work. Sorry. I`m not trying to compete, i do however question what you say. As you are free to question things. If you don`t want to answer that`s fine but if you don`t want to bother i really don`t see why you write these long posts and end up trying to belittle me for being agnostic leaning to the point where i feel comfortable calling myself an atheist (I wouldn`t say that god doesn`t exist, but i lean strongly towards it).

    If you aren`t even going to write real posts, what is the point of posting?

  315. Profile photo of cavsrule17
    cavsrule17 Male 30-39
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    June 16, 2009 at 4:49 pm
    @darkhawk:1)"God boys"?honestly?its ok to have your own opinions about something but its not cool to put down other people`s beliefs just cuz they`re not your own.
    2)God put us on this earth solely to worship him.think about it,if he DIDNT give people free will, people would just be like robots without any free will and without the ability to experience love and truly worship.
    3)i would love to see the verse where you found that it says in the bible not to build a church.you should definately try checking your facts,cuz im sure i could find several more verses proving you wrong.
  316. Profile photo of Megido
    Megido Male 18-29
    439 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 4:50 pm
    " who was a real man, and is documented historically"
    Except we know very little of him other than what is written in the gospels. The history of Jesus Christ somewhat doubtful to say the least. Either you trust the bible or you don`t. Not exactly solid evidence there.
  317. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
    8306 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 4:53 pm
    > Baalthazaq

    Yay, good to see you again friend. I haven`t seen you around a while, thought we`d lost you to the Real world! :-) Great to see you still here!

    IAB Reaction: OMG a batpoo-crazy Christian calling a Muslim `friend` - does not compute... mind asplodes...

  318. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
    7935 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 5:10 pm
    " so much so that i only ask god to show me 1 miracle "
    Miracles occur everyday, just not necessarily in the advertised package.
    "@ primetimekin: "So you are basically saying if we all have the same belief the world would be better?"
    Yes we would (ex if it was, you would still have the WTC towers), but let it be Athiest. And b4 you god boys say anything.
    1. If we all have free will from god, god wouldent mind us not worshiping him. Aslong as you live like a good person he wouldent care.
    2. The bible clearly states that a building for worschip (churche) is a big no no. Same for asking money for it.
    Try arguing that, thats stuff from the bible god boys :p"

    1) If you tell your kids not to do something but you give them the opportunity chose. If they still do it, does that mean you wouldnt care?
    2) Funny...Because it also says that the church is the only way for salvation and the OT ask for a donation of a tithe.

  319. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
    7935 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 5:13 pm
    "If people are capable of picking and choosing what parts of the bible are morally correct then the sense of right and wrong must come from elsewhere, or do you stone people to death for working on Sundays? "

    " The way i see it proving god is your responsibility and not mine."

    John Stuart Mills said that burden of proof is against that which goes against the norm. So theoretically the percentage of atheist and theist should remain the same for all eternity.

    The OT can be divided into moral, ceremonial, and judicial. The death of Jesus removed us from ceremonial and judicial, thats why we dont stone people for working on sundays.

  320. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 5:25 pm
    that`s just one example Megido of how you are not a blank slate. You START not from 0 where I can tell you things and we can have a conversation,but from your own set of beliefs you`ll no doubt refuse you have.

    You feel that admitting you have beliefs somehow makes you less correct, and will refuse to admit that your beliefs about God, are not conclusions, they are priori statements.

    1) You start witht he concept that God is "extraordinary", along with the mantra "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".

    That`s incorrect, the whole point of any demonstration is that God is not extraordinary. God is a integral part of the world and therefore needs to be ordinary to some degree.

    I could call the big bang extraordinary. Did you require extraordinary evidence for it?

  321. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 5:27 pm
    2) The burden of proof is on you!

    Another mantra, correct in part in that anyone making a positive statement in an argument has the burden of proof, but false in that I somehow have an obligation to be the one to do it.

    Also false in that I am somehow responsible for your education when I have already provided (endlessly, here and elsewhere), material for you to peruse at your leisure.

  322. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 5:32 pm
    3) "The same rhetoric".

    Utterly wrong in intent and methodology. Rhetoric implies I care what you think, and am trying to persuade you to change your mind.

    I don`t care about your opinion so much as I care about your epistemology. That`s why it takes freaking ages to argue with me, because what I`m trying to change, if anything, isn`t whether or not you hold opinion X, but whether or not you have any clue how you got to opinion X (or Y or Z).

    I have a tendency to find threads like this one, intellectually lazy, literally ignorant (literally ignoring people giving short clear answers to one of the many "impossible questions" posed), and as I said earlier, an act of mutual masturbation amongst an elitist crowd.

    If *I`M calling someone elitist, you should get the hint that something is seriously amiss.

  323. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 5:35 pm
    4) Old 16 page argument about what I think a concept of God is as opposed to other theistic interpretations: Here we go.
  324. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 5:37 pm
    Hey Lionhart,
    I`ve been on holiday visiting the US and UK so taken a month off work. Which is why I`m still posting on a weekday despite it being.... wow 4:30... ok maybe bed would still be a good idea.
  325. Profile photo of mindwhiz666
    mindwhiz666 Male 13-17
    29 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 5:39 pm
    ok my answer is this god knew what a day is for the fact is that he created a day so when he was done he knew by the standard he had created how long it took
  326. Profile photo of Megido
    Megido Male 18-29
    439 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 5:47 pm
    First off i never claimed that i don`t have ideas already, anything else would be ridiculous. I am however, like i said before, open to something that i can perceive as evidence of God existing. For me that is something measurable and not how you word this or that thing. The big bang seems like a likely candidate for how the universe started based on the research done in the field, we have actual data suggesting that it might have happened. I`m still open for other explanations though, as long as there is proof.

    And you are correct, my education is no concern of yours but that still makes me wonder why you are posting at all. If you don`t want to make a rebuttal then don`t. It`s not like I`m forcing you. For someone who doesn`t want to have this debate again you sure do seem to try hard.

    More yakking follows -->

  327. Profile photo of Megido
    Megido Male 18-29
    439 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 5:55 pm
    Oh and i don`t think a being with infinite lifespan, unlimited power and unlimited knowledge of past, present and future events could be called anything but extraordinary. Agreed that if a god with supernatural properties (by todays known laws of physics) did exist that would erase the whole supernatural aspect but that`s beside the point. If you want to claim that whatever created the universe and life is an intelligent entity with infinite knowledge and power, the capacity to telepathically talk to every human on the planet simultaneously and also give a hoot the burden of proof is on you.

    The least you could do in this case then is at least point me in the right direction, as i have no intention to search through IAB history to find your posts. Either post a real reply, give me a link i can visit or, as they say on that there internet; GTFO.

  328. Profile photo of ImmortalZach
    ImmortalZach Male 13-17
    438 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 6:08 pm
    Agnostic viewpoint! If God created the whole universe I would think he would have no problem creating mathematics for the length of a day.
    Baalthzaq pretty much nailed it on the head.
  329. Profile photo of Andyl
    Andyl Male 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 7:03 pm
    God doesn`t exist. He told me himself.

    Now while it`s always nice to conjure up a huge argument about God, I do realise that it`s futile. A post in this forum is insignificant, yet from my viewpoint it is the most important. That sounds familiar...think about Earth. A tiny, insignificant planet in a huge universe and yet for some reason, religion makes it the most important thing in the whole of the universe. Hmm...sounds like the work of an egotistical human to me, and not some divine being.

    But that`s just pure speculation, of course. I do not think myself right any more than I think myself wrong. But that`s the problem. Religious debates DON`T GO ANYWHERE. These debates are fuelled more by opinion than logic, and usually by people who don`t even understand enough to be able to argue properly. Most of the time people argue insignificant details. For example, disproving evolution doesn`t disprove atheism, and disproving Christianity doesn`t disprove God.

  330. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 7:21 pm
    Megido:
    I already did before you replied.
    See my point #4.
  331. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 7:34 pm
    sorry, should have put this all in one post:

    Extraordinary: Define.
    Do you actually know of any evidence to support the big bang theory or do you just assume there is evidence because other people told you there was?

    Why do you assume the big bang and God are mutually exclusive?

    If we`re playing that game and making Strawman gods, can we also do strawman big bangs? There is currently 0 evidence in support of what a layman thinks the big bang is. There is plenty for a singularity followed by a universe, but there is none for "nothing" followed by the big bang.

    I wouldn`t call that evidence extraordinary however, and I would call the big bang so. Do you really think I couldn`t word the creation of time and space as extraordinary? Why would it not be fair for me to do so? Why don`t you?

  332. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 7:40 pm
    (Incidentally I didn`t say the ability to telepathically talk to all of creation was a necessary trait of God, I merely suggested that you had the ability to do so in the analogy, just to keep things "simple").

    I also wouldn`t classify God as a "being" necessarily if that`s going to become important to the discussion.

    I don`t want arguments about anthropomorphism, I didn`t say God was a big dude with a striking resemblance to Santa, despite what the Disney channel may suggest.

  333. Profile photo of Andyl
    Andyl Male 18-29
    300 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 7:40 pm
    What I hate about religious debate is how certain people arise and are so forceful in shoving their opinions down other peoples` throats that it makes you want to punch them in the face.

    Baalthazaq is our `certain person` today. At every step he falls deeper into the pitfalls of hypocrisy.

    "Again, the idea that I should recite them all to you only demonstrates your own self absorption."

    No. 1, you`ve spent 2 years developing arguments. Talk about self absorbed. And although you deny it, you`re clearly not interested in changing your views, but changing the views of others. Otherwise you wouldn`t feel the need to lecture people.

    "That`s incorrect" - in a purely speculative debate, such a phrase has no place. You mean to say "I don`t share that opinion."

    All arguments of this nature are built up from basic assumptions about the nature of God. When you reject those assumptions without clear explanation, how do you expect to debate?

  334. Profile photo of Andyl
    Andyl Male 18-29
    300 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 7:50 pm
    In fact, how do you expect to debate when you won`t even post your arguments because you`re already done so elsewhere and you want him to look for them? If anything, you`re making the argumentation hard, not him.

    You also seem to take the line of "I`ve thought about this more, therefore I`m right." You also ask him questions which could easily be reversed back at you. Such is the nature of religious debates, many arguments work both ways. For example:

    "Why do you assume the big bang and God are mutually exclusive?"

    Why do you assume they aren`t? Instead of waiting for his replies and rebutting them, give your own logic first and then let him rebut that. I thought you were debating with him, not lecturing him.

    Of course I`m not saying that you`re 100% wrong, because much of what you say makes sense, but it comes over in a way that makes you look arrogant and self-righteous. You make it difficult for people to debate with you because you talk down to them all

  335. Profile photo of Dragonlord
    Dragonlord Male 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 8:01 pm
    Answer: Undefined
  336. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    June 16, 2009 at 8:07 pm
    1) Nothing I introduce is going to be new material. My entire premise is that the information is readily available, and that I am not required for any of his needs. (I`m not saying people should look for *my* arguments, I`m saying people have Google, and the information exists).

    2) I would wager you don`t know many of my views, let alone my likelihood of changing them or my tenacity for changing other people`s.

    3) To state two things are mutually exclusive is a positive statement. I get to be lazy on this one. :P However, I also didn`t say they weren`t mutually exclusive, I`m merely trying to find out "which God he doesn`t believe in".

    What he finds extraordinary about it, which components he attributes to God, and if they are Christian or more Deist in nature.

    Again: Why do you assume just because I question his beliefs that I disagree with them?

  337. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 8:30 pm
    And by the way Andy, I think you should reread the entire dialogue between me and Megido.

    I simply stated that 2000 years isn`t all that long.
    He was the one who then demanded I prove the existance of a deity, claimed God is obligated to demonstrate himself to him, asked for arguments claiming I had none, and so on and so forth.

    All "everyone owes me my education", when he could quite easily find everything I have to offer, without using anything I`ve written, with Google. I would suggest it would even do him more good.

    I then said if he wants my arguments they`re available and I don`t need to recreate them for him.

    you act as if I came in here and out of nowhere said "I have some arguments, but I`m hiding them, muahahaha".

    No. He asked me for them, and I provided the first one I could find. Why the criticism?

  338. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 8:32 pm
    Anyway, almost 8am. I`ll be back in the morning if anyone else still is.
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    toneman Male 30-39
    527 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 8:35 pm
    I would like to make one last comment. The taste of victory last night was do delightful!

    There are always so many Christians and never enough lions!

  340. Profile photo of npdarren
    npdarren Male 18-29
    602 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 9:44 pm
    I try to keep my mind open about the existence of God. I consider myself atheist, but I would entertain the argument that everything I believe in--e.g, science and math--might be inventions of God to test our faith. There is no reliable proof that God exists nor is there any that proves He does not. By the definition of existence; something composed of matter and energy,God does not technically exist, but that ignores the idea that math, science, and logic might be creations of a supreme being. On the other hand, you cannot say God exists because the Bible proves it, there is no way to determine the authenticity of the Bible`s stories. I personally do not believe in God for the simple fact that His existence would upset everything I understand about my own existence, as I`m sure would be the reason for someone to believe He does exist. I also believe people should not be judged based on their beliefs because life often dictates them.
  341. Profile photo of Slyguy056
    Slyguy056 Male 13-17
    82 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 11:12 pm
    Well, according to the Bible, the Earth existed before the first day! Rotation didn`t begin until later
  342. Profile photo of skorm_avo
    skorm_avo Male 18-29
    37 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 11:14 pm
    We already know how long an hour is (60 minutes or 360 seconds), but then we created the timeglass to represent the exact (stop being pernicity or pedantic) amount of time of an hour.

    I suspect that God decided how long 1 day was, and then created the Earth to the exact dimensions, and the created the planet`s spin to represent 1 day, just like we did with the hour glass.

  343. Profile photo of unreedemed
    unreedemed Male 13-17
    544 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 11:29 pm
    a world without religion.
    imagine that?

    its just a drating image some smartass made to make people argue and debate.
    no one`s gonna win, so stop trying.


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    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
    8306 posts
    June 16, 2009 at 11:32 pm
    God just did THIS.
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    toneman Male 30-39
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    June 17, 2009 at 6:15 am
    Slyguy056, I just have to point out that the very first verse in the King James version states, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." Exactly what passage are you referring to that suggests otherwise. Trust me...the Bible is loaded with contradiction. I do understand that. I`m must curious of your source.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    June 17, 2009 at 7:10 am
    Incidentally, there`s one thing no one seems to have mentioned, and I`m curious.

    Does the bible say God created everything in or on 6 days? They mean extremely different things.

    "In 6 days" potentially suggests 2 things. First, that it took him 144 hours, and second that it was within 144 hours. Neither of those things are things I agree with.

    Extending or shrinking the value of a day based on Peter (1000 years) or the more flexible Genesis translation, still makes it seem like God is working for long periods of time, does he do that or does he make things occur instantly in under a second?

    "On 6 days" on the other hand suggests none of that at all. It merely suggests that God interfered 6 times in the universe, with no suggestion of timescales.

    Day 1 could easily be a billion years before Day 2.

    Can anyone translate Hebrew and tell me if there`s a possible translation there?

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    toneman Male 30-39
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    June 17, 2009 at 7:50 am
    Baalthazaq, it`s quite obvious that you haven`t read the source. The reason the question hasn`t been asked is because the Bible makes it very clear that the mythical creation of all things took place in six days and rested on the seventh.

    Day 1) Heaven and Earth, light and dark, day and night and it was awesome.

    Day 2) Firmament and waters and it was awesome.

    Day 3) Land and sea, grass and trees and it was awesome.

    Day 4) Seasons, stars, the sun and the moon and it was awesome.

    Day 5) Fish, birds, whales, God told the to screw and it was awesome.

    Day 6) Earth creatures, cows, bugs, a dude and a chick and told them to screw and it was awesome.

    Day 7) Rest. Creating an entire universe is hard work, after all!

    But then if you read the second chapter of Genesis, there is a completely different account of how man and woman were created.

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    DARTHCHADLY Male 30-39
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    June 17, 2009 at 8:46 am
    Man created how long a day is. God can make a day last as long or short as he wants. It never says how long a day is in the bible.
  349. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    June 17, 2009 at 11:32 am
    Toneman: It`s obvious you didn`t read my post.
    I read the source, I read it in English. I`m wondering if the English is still accurate to at least the Hebrew.

    Also, are you talking specifically about the KJV, RSV, etc? Are you using a literal translation, a free translation, or a dynamic equivalent translation?

    I ask, because for example certain passages become unclear after translation depending on the type.

    According to some translations, Sarah was Abraham`s wife, whereas Hagar was his "woman". Even though in the original Hebrew the same word is used for both Hagar and Sarah.

    Other important changes that occur in translation is when Jesus is asked if he is the son of God, he replies "That`s what you say" in a literal translation, but in many versions it is translated as "yes" or even worse "that is what you say" with an added "and you are correct".

    Translation matters.

  350. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    June 17, 2009 at 11:56 am
    Heh, going through a few literal translations, you could even argue Young`s literal translation seems to suggest day 1-6 were a design phase. ;)

    Compare Genesis 1, day 6, in a literal translation:
    "And God prepareth the man in His image; in the image of God He prepared him, a male and a female He prepared them."

    With Genesis 2:7 in the same translation:
    "And Jehovah God formeth the man -- dust from the ground, and breatheth into his nostrils breath of life, and the man becometh a living creature"

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    Pyrosisflame Male 18-29
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    June 17, 2009 at 12:16 pm
    also... dinosaurs. it didnt mention them in the bible. :D but wait we HAFF PROOFFF
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    XxNaruNaruxX Male 13-17
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    June 17, 2009 at 6:17 pm
    Actually it DOES mention "dinosaurs" in the Bible- not the exact words but it does describe "large, lizard-like creatures" in some of the books in the Bible. It`s usually important to read up on what you`re trying to put down, Pyrosisflame.
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    bassprincess Female 18-29
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    June 17, 2009 at 7:08 pm
    LOL DARTHCHADLY is going to heaven. And seeing as I agree, so am I... I think.
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    toneman Male 30-39
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    June 17, 2009 at 9:11 pm
    Actually, XxNaruNaruxX, dinosaurs are NOT mentioned in the Bible. Creationists that so badly want their 2000 year old `Gospel` to be true, make it true by changing translation. The mention of leviathan and the like are not dinosaurs. That is simply what your pastor is pounding in your head.

    Baalthazaq, you are absolutely correct. Much is lost in translations. In fact, there is indisputable proof that that much of the New Testament was mistranslated to fit Christian teaching. The man Jesus never claimed to be divine in the original manuscripts. It`s a fact.

    I would also like to point out that the newest book in the Bible is approximately 2000 years old. Modern science is only about 200. The Bible is not a science book nor a history book!

  355. Profile photo of TheArsPoet
    TheArsPoet Female 18-29
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    June 18, 2009 at 5:41 pm
    God created the Heavens and the Earth in their entirety; therefore, God chose how long a day would be.
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    suprise123 Female 13-17
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    June 18, 2009 at 7:07 pm
    Because he is God. He decided to make a day long, and made the Earth (the "only" planet that supports life) how ong he made a day.
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    npdarren Male 18-29
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    June 19, 2009 at 5:47 am
    There`s a gap between what we perceive and what reality is, which explains why it is difficult to either prove a God`s existence or classify it. All that really matters is if your faith pays off or not when you die, because you will not be able to justify your beliefs in any rational way to someone with an opposing view, so what`s the point of arguing about it?
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    angelo0317 Male 18-29
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    June 19, 2009 at 7:55 pm
    With God, ANYTHING is possible.
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    lizzy101 Female 18-29
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    June 20, 2009 at 1:02 pm
    Toneman, the bible does actually state that Jesus is divine, I have read both the greek, hebrew, and latin versions and I can show you where it is said.
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    MrBob Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2009 at 8:43 am
    thats easy.god didn`t. or, for the non atiest society, in the first few secind or day, god created a rotating sphere, and then created the rest.
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    MrBob Male 13-17
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    June 21, 2009 at 9:01 am
    soory i ment seconds not secinds
  362. Profile photo of MindiMadness
    MindiMadness Female 13-17
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    June 23, 2009 at 3:13 pm
    God knos all. He is omnipotent. thts how He knew tha rotation time ov tha Earth
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    bananaking Female 18-29
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    June 24, 2009 at 8:26 pm
    in the bible it does not define what exactly a day is in "human terms" God`s time and our time could have been completly different... nevertheless he created earth in six days... on God time OR human time.... not a very deep theological ?tion....
  364. Profile photo of Mistinguett
    Mistinguett Female 18-29
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    June 28, 2009 at 5:31 am
    If you say that God is omniscient and knew how long a day would be, that means he plans out everything in the future and we`re all pre-determined. How depressing (not to mention pointless from God`s point of view)
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    dtd Male 13-17
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    June 28, 2009 at 12:58 pm
    Since the earth was already created and in existence before God created light (Gen. 1:1-3), 24-hour days were possible for each of the days of the creation week (including the first day). Only light and a rotating earth are needed for a day, and they were both created on day one.
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    Alphawolf Male 18-29
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    June 28, 2009 at 7:16 pm
    lol @ MrBob
    Did you mean "meant" instead of "ment", too?
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    stage_angel Female 13-17
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    June 30, 2009 at 4:56 pm
    God guessed. Duh
  368. Profile photo of claudia19
    claudia19 Female 13-17
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    July 5, 2009 at 12:46 pm
    He used the time period markings of other planets. God created the universe, or so Christians say, actually in one day on Pluto. If he made the other planets before Earth, this is one way he could`ve known. Although, I`m not Christian. Just a girl with a logical answer.
  369. Profile photo of Renamon
    Renamon Female 13-17
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    July 6, 2009 at 2:43 pm
    god just made up a number and rolled with it.
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    asphyxiated- Female 13-17
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    July 6, 2009 at 11:52 pm
    Magic.
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    megann_exoh Female 13-17
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    July 7, 2009 at 12:33 pm
    cuz hes god, dumbass.
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    Vai2oodles Female 13-17
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    July 11, 2009 at 9:52 am
    uhhh duh...he`s fudgein god...he`s the one who created how long a day is...damn!
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    snukatoof Male 18-29
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    July 15, 2009 at 5:38 pm
    Actually, a day could have been as long as it needed to be. It can`t be based on time period markings of other planets, as most planets have different revolution cycles.

    In the play `Inherit the Wind`, the period of time that we call one day didn`t exist at the start of creation. Christians who accept evolution, (yes, there are SOME) like the theory that during god`s first 6 days of creation, time was relative to nothing... so the first day could have been 10 days, or 100 days, or 10 billion years.

    The truth is, god didn`t know what a day was.... We as humans invented the time frame of one day based off of the revolution time of our own planet. In fact, humans created what we know of time.... god didn`t tell someone `ok, get these things together and i`ll teach you how to make a watch.... now... wait until i tell you.... NOW! That`s one hour! 24 of those (give or take a minute-ish) is one day`.

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    1007333 Male 13-17
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    July 16, 2009 at 12:16 pm
    I`m an atheist, so yeah.
  375. Profile photo of Vipablaz
    Vipablaz Male 13-17
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    July 16, 2009 at 5:24 pm
    "Actually, a day could have been as long as it needed to be. It can`t be based on time period markings of other planets, as most planets have different revolution cycles.

    In the play `Inherit the Wind`, the period of time that we call one day didn`t exist at the start of creation. Christians who accept evolution, (yes, there are SOME) like the theory that during god`s first 6 days of creation, time was relative to nothing... so the first day could have been 10 days, or 100 days, or 10 billion years.
    The truth is, god didn`t know what a day was.... We as humans invented the time frame of one day based off of the revolution time of our own planet. In fact, humans created what we know of time.... god didn`t tell someone `ok, get these things together and i`ll teach you how to make a watch.... now... wait until i tell you.... NOW! That`s one hour! 24 of those (give or take a minute-ish) is one day`."

    your going to heaven I guess haha

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    ja7fe Male 18-29
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    July 17, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    "Day" as used in the verses of Genesis that you are referring to is translated from the Hebrew word Yom (has more than one meaning).. one of which is "period of time." Not a mystery, but another common misconception/translation error of our English Bibles.
    Remember, Creation will always agree with science. Earth was not created in 6 days, but rather 6 "period(s) of time"
    The first "period of time" was likely the `Big Bang`, or some likeness- that`s when God said "Let there be light"

    PROVERBS 1:20-22
    WISDOM SHOUTS IN THE STREET, SHE LIFTS HER VOICE IN THE SQUARE; AT THE HEAD OF THE NOISY STREETS SHE CRIES OUT; AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE GATES IN THE CITY SHE UTTERS HER SAYINGS: HOW LONG, O NAIVE ONES, WILL YOU LOVE BEING SIMPLE-MINDED? AND SCOFFERS (MOCKERS) DELIGHT THEMSELVES IN SCOFFING AND FOOLS HATE KNOWLEDGE?

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    crabcake Female 30-39
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    July 22, 2009 at 8:44 am
    ugggh. the day goes by so slow...
  378. Profile photo of alienzz
    alienzz Female 13-17
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    July 30, 2009 at 1:10 am
    god did not create the universe.
    i`m going to hell
    :)
  379. Profile photo of Trixxie
    Trixxie Female 18-29
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    July 31, 2009 at 12:12 am
    becuz he`s God :)
  380. Profile photo of steelman
    steelman Male 13-17
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    August 12, 2009 at 8:49 am
    Same as Trixxie cuz he`s friggen God or as i call him the man who invented things for us and some other stuff i couldn`t think of being his name name in these 10 seconds.
  381. Profile photo of ace_musicdj
    ace_musicdj Male 18-29
    33 posts
    September 3, 2009 at 9:16 pm
    oh tht`s easy... when he gave the data to us, he gave t in seconds...and we the brainy humans,converted it to days and bla bla bla LMAO!!

    Good question though... haven`t thought o it before

  382. Profile photo of Eli777111
    Eli777111 Male 13-17
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    September 22, 2009 at 4:56 pm
    Because on the first day god created day and night!!! =E
  383. Profile photo of SlappyMcFish
    SlappyMcFish Female 13-17
    248 posts
    October 3, 2009 at 9:11 pm
    I believe in god or souls at least...But I dont belive he created the world because it just makes poo all sense and where are the dinosaurs in the bible? Its a sin to pee so were all screwed.
  384. Profile photo of ja7fe
    ja7fe Male 18-29
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    October 4, 2009 at 7:49 pm

    "Day" as used in the verses of Genesis that you are referring to is translated from the Hebrew word Yom (has more than one meaning).. one of which is "period of time." Not a mystery, just another common misconception concerning the translation of our English Bibles.
    Remember, Creation will always agree with science. Earth was not created in 6 days, but rather 6 "period(s) of time"
    The first "period of time" was likely the `Big Bang`- that`s when God said "Let there be light"

    PROVERBS 1:20-22
    WISDOM SHOUTS IN THE STREET, SHE LIFTS HER VOICE IN THE SQUARE; AT THE HEAD OF THE NOISY STREETS SHE CRIES OUT; AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE GATES IN THE CITY SHE UTTERS HER SAYINGS: HOW LONG, O NAIVE ONES, WILL YOU LOVE BEING SIMPLE-MINDED? AND SCOFFERS (MOCKERS) DELIGHT THEMSELVES IN SCOFFING AND FOOLS HATE KNOWLEDGE?

  385. Profile photo of boredbutton
    boredbutton Male 13-17
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    October 21, 2009 at 2:07 pm
    HI IS GOD
    GOD IS ALMIGHTY PEOPLE!!!!
    o:-)
  386. Profile photo of MsToniBreann
    MsToniBreann Female 13-17
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    November 27, 2009 at 12:54 pm
    Because God Knows EVERYTHING.
  387. Profile photo of c-gamer
    c-gamer Male 13-17
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    January 8, 2010 at 4:21 pm
    Um becauses he made it! lol
  388. Profile photo of Paaahka
    Paaahka Female 13-17
    125 posts
    February 5, 2010 at 8:45 pm
    True story:
    Talking about dinosaurs in class. Girl says "I personally believe that if God wanted Dinosaurs to exist, he would`ve put them on the ark." Everyone looks at her and goes silent. She has no idea what she has just said is completely the dumbest thing we`ve heard from her yet.
  389. Profile photo of MastaPlan23
    MastaPlan23 Male 13-17
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    February 7, 2010 at 9:39 pm
    pff god, god needed to pay off a loan to Chuck Norris be4 he made the universe
  390. Profile photo of Stelly
    Stelly Male 30-39
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    March 17, 2010 at 8:19 pm
    Even tho I am an atheist, I will still argue stupid statements...They believe god created the universe in what we perceive as 6 days. Before the earth was formed, the length of time 6 days represents still existed and will after the earth is gone.
    (The bible was written after humans understood the length of 6 days)

    IAB, Can I accept the cash equivalent to the prize?
  391. Profile photo of Grantibean
    Grantibean Male 13-17
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    April 10, 2010 at 3:30 pm
    Exactly. God doesnt exist haha.
  392. Profile photo of assassinfrek
    assassinfrek Male 18-29
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    April 27, 2010 at 12:43 am
    because when thr good lord created the universe he was on his own time he created the day so us mortals can survive
  393. Profile photo of tallielou
    tallielou Female 18-29
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    June 15, 2010 at 7:08 am
    Of course you cant take it literally, because time ca exist without God. It`s a dimension just like length and height. Time exists because gravity exists, or maybe its the other way around. They are relative to each other. Gravity exists when things are drawn to a center of matter. So without matter there is not gravity and thus no time. So frankly, God can do whatever.
  394. Profile photo of Cali27Max
    Cali27Max Female 18-29
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    July 24, 2010 at 6:10 am
    Because he`s God! He decided.
  395. Profile photo of monkeymath
    monkeymath Male 18-29
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    July 12, 2011 at 9:15 pm
    gravity is our interpretation of the change in time, the more space expands the more gravity there is and the faster time becomes so after God made the big bang space started to expand and so what appears to us as over 6 trillion years (i forget the actual number) is in reality only 6 days and i would say that it is around 1:00 pm in our interpretation of God`s time

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