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PROVERBS 1:20-22WISDOM SHOUTS IN THE STREET, SHE LIFTS HER VOICE IN THE SQUARE; AT THE HEAD OF THE NOISY STREETS SHE CRIES OUT; AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE GATES IN THE CITY SHE UTTERS HER SAYINGS: HOW LONG, O NAIVE ONES, WILL YOU LOVE BEING SIMPLE-MINDED? AND SCOFFERS (MOCKERS) DELIGHT THEMSELVES IN SCOFFING AND FOOLS HATE KNOWLEDGE?
Good question though... haven`t thought o it before
In the play `Inherit the Wind`, the period of time that we call one day didn`t exist at the start of creation. Christians who accept evolution, (yes, there are SOME) like the theory that during god`s first 6 days of creation, time was relative to nothing... so the first day could have been 10 days, or 100 days, or 10 billion years.The truth is, god didn`t know what a day was.... We as humans invented the time frame of one day based off of the revolution time of our own planet. In fact, humans created what we know of time.... god didn`t tell someone `ok, get these things together and i`ll teach you how to make a watch.... now... wait until i tell you.... NOW! That`s one hour! 24 of those (give or take a minute-ish) is one day`."
your going to heaven I guess haha
The truth is, god didn`t know what a day was.... We as humans invented the time frame of one day based off of the revolution time of our own planet. In fact, humans created what we know of time.... god didn`t tell someone `ok, get these things together and i`ll teach you how to make a watch.... now... wait until i tell you.... NOW! That`s one hour! 24 of those (give or take a minute-ish) is one day`.
Baalthazaq, you are absolutely correct. Much is lost in translations. In fact, there is indisputable proof that that much of the New Testament was mistranslated to fit Christian teaching. The man Jesus never claimed to be divine in the original manuscripts. It`s a fact.
I would also like to point out that the newest book in the Bible is approximately 2000 years old. Modern science is only about 200. The Bible is not a science book nor a history book!
Compare Genesis 1, day 6, in a literal translation: "And God prepareth the man in His image; in the image of God He prepared him, a male and a female He prepared them."
With Genesis 2:7 in the same translation: "And Jehovah God formeth the man -- dust from the ground, and breatheth into his nostrils breath of life, and the man becometh a living creature"
Also, are you talking specifically about the KJV, RSV, etc? Are you using a literal translation, a free translation, or a dynamic equivalent translation?
I ask, because for example certain passages become unclear after translation depending on the type.
According to some translations, Sarah was Abraham`s wife, whereas Hagar was his "woman". Even though in the original Hebrew the same word is used for both Hagar and Sarah.
Other important changes that occur in translation is when Jesus is asked if he is the son of God, he replies "That`s what you say" in a literal translation, but in many versions it is translated as "yes" or even worse "that is what you say" with an added "and you are correct".
Day 1) Heaven and Earth, light and dark, day and night and it was awesome.
Day 2) Firmament and waters and it was awesome.
Day 3) Land and sea, grass and trees and it was awesome.
Day 4) Seasons, stars, the sun and the moon and it was awesome.
Day 5) Fish, birds, whales, God told the to screw and it was awesome.
Day 6) Earth creatures, cows, bugs, a dude and a chick and told them to screw and it was awesome.
Day 7) Rest. Creating an entire universe is hard work, after all!
But then if you read the second chapter of Genesis, there is a completely different account of how man and woman were created.
Does the bible say God created everything in or on 6 days? They mean extremely different things.
"In 6 days" potentially suggests 2 things. First, that it took him 144 hours, and second that it was within 144 hours. Neither of those things are things I agree with.
Extending or shrinking the value of a day based on Peter (1000 years) or the more flexible Genesis translation, still makes it seem like God is working for long periods of time, does he do that or does he make things occur instantly in under a second?
"On 6 days" on the other hand suggests none of that at all. It merely suggests that God interfered 6 times in the universe, with no suggestion of timescales.
Day 1 could easily be a billion years before Day 2.
Can anyone translate Hebrew and tell me if there`s a possible translation there?
its just a drating image some smartass made to make people argue and debate. no one`s gonna win, so stop trying.
I suspect that God decided how long 1 day was, and then created the Earth to the exact dimensions, and the created the planet`s spin to represent 1 day, just like we did with the hour glass.
There are always so many Christians and never enough lions!
I simply stated that 2000 years isn`t all that long. He was the one who then demanded I prove the existance of a deity, claimed God is obligated to demonstrate himself to him, asked for arguments claiming I had none, and so on and so forth.
All "everyone owes me my education", when he could quite easily find everything I have to offer, without using anything I`ve written, with Google. I would suggest it would even do him more good.
I then said if he wants my arguments they`re available and I don`t need to recreate them for him.
you act as if I came in here and out of nowhere said "I have some arguments, but I`m hiding them, muahahaha".
No. He asked me for them, and I provided the first one I could find. Why the criticism?
2) I would wager you don`t know many of my views, let alone my likelihood of changing them or my tenacity for changing other people`s.
3) To state two things are mutually exclusive is a positive statement. I get to be lazy on this one. :P However, I also didn`t say they weren`t mutually exclusive, I`m merely trying to find out "which God he doesn`t believe in".
What he finds extraordinary about it, which components he attributes to God, and if they are Christian or more Deist in nature.
Again: Why do you assume just because I question his beliefs that I disagree with them?
You also seem to take the line of "I`ve thought about this more, therefore I`m right." You also ask him questions which could easily be reversed back at you. Such is the nature of religious debates, many arguments work both ways. For example:
"Why do you assume the big bang and God are mutually exclusive?"
Why do you assume they aren`t? Instead of waiting for his replies and rebutting them, give your own logic first and then let him rebut that. I thought you were debating with him, not lecturing him.
Of course I`m not saying that you`re 100% wrong, because much of what you say makes sense, but it comes over in a way that makes you look arrogant and self-righteous. You make it difficult for people to debate with you because you talk down to them all
Baalthazaq is our `certain person` today. At every step he falls deeper into the pitfalls of hypocrisy.
"Again, the idea that I should recite them all to you only demonstrates your own self absorption."
No. 1, you`ve spent 2 years developing arguments. Talk about self absorbed. And although you deny it, you`re clearly not interested in changing your views, but changing the views of others. Otherwise you wouldn`t feel the need to lecture people.
"That`s incorrect" - in a purely speculative debate, such a phrase has no place. You mean to say "I don`t share that opinion."
All arguments of this nature are built up from basic assumptions about the nature of God. When you reject those assumptions without clear explanation, how do you expect to debate?
I also wouldn`t classify God as a "being" necessarily if that`s going to become important to the discussion.
I don`t want arguments about anthropomorphism, I didn`t say God was a big dude with a striking resemblance to Santa, despite what the Disney channel may suggest.
Extraordinary: Define. Do you actually know of any evidence to support the big bang theory or do you just assume there is evidence because other people told you there was?
Why do you assume the big bang and God are mutually exclusive?
If we`re playing that game and making Strawman gods, can we also do strawman big bangs? There is currently 0 evidence in support of what a layman thinks the big bang is. There is plenty for a singularity followed by a universe, but there is none for "nothing" followed by the big bang.
I wouldn`t call that evidence extraordinary however, and I would call the big bang so. Do you really think I couldn`t word the creation of time and space as extraordinary? Why would it not be fair for me to do so? Why don`t you?
Now while it`s always nice to conjure up a huge argument about God, I do realise that it`s futile. A post in this forum is insignificant, yet from my viewpoint it is the most important. That sounds familiar...think about Earth. A tiny, insignificant planet in a huge universe and yet for some reason, religion makes it the most important thing in the whole of the universe. Hmm...sounds like the work of an egotistical human to me, and not some divine being.
But that`s just pure speculation, of course. I do not think myself right any more than I think myself wrong. But that`s the problem. Religious debates DON`T GO ANYWHERE. These debates are fuelled more by opinion than logic, and usually by people who don`t even understand enough to be able to argue properly. Most of the time people argue insignificant details. For example, disproving evolution doesn`t disprove atheism, and disproving Christianity doesn`t disprove God.
The least you could do in this case then is at least point me in the right direction, as i have no intention to search through IAB history to find your posts. Either post a real reply, give me a link i can visit or, as they say on that there internet; GTFO.
And you are correct, my education is no concern of yours but that still makes me wonder why you are posting at all. If you don`t want to make a rebuttal then don`t. It`s not like I`m forcing you. For someone who doesn`t want to have this debate again you sure do seem to try hard.
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Utterly wrong in intent and methodology. Rhetoric implies I care what you think, and am trying to persuade you to change your mind.
I don`t care about your opinion so much as I care about your epistemology. That`s why it takes freaking ages to argue with me, because what I`m trying to change, if anything, isn`t whether or not you hold opinion X, but whether or not you have any clue how you got to opinion X (or Y or Z).
I have a tendency to find threads like this one, intellectually lazy, literally ignorant (literally ignoring people giving short clear answers to one of the many "impossible questions" posed), and as I said earlier, an act of mutual masturbation amongst an elitist crowd.
If *I`M calling someone elitist, you should get the hint that something is seriously amiss.
Another mantra, correct in part in that anyone making a positive statement in an argument has the burden of proof, but false in that I somehow have an obligation to be the one to do it.
Also false in that I am somehow responsible for your education when I have already provided (endlessly, here and elsewhere), material for you to peruse at your leisure.
You feel that admitting you have beliefs somehow makes you less correct, and will refuse to admit that your beliefs about God, are not conclusions, they are priori statements.
1) You start witht he concept that God is "extraordinary", along with the mantra "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".
That`s incorrect, the whole point of any demonstration is that God is not extraordinary. God is a integral part of the world and therefore needs to be ordinary to some degree.
I could call the big bang extraordinary. Did you require extraordinary evidence for it?
" The way i see it proving god is your responsibility and not mine."
John Stuart Mills said that burden of proof is against that which goes against the norm. So theoretically the percentage of atheist and theist should remain the same for all eternity.
The OT can be divided into moral, ceremonial, and judicial. The death of Jesus removed us from ceremonial and judicial, thats why we dont stone people for working on sundays.
1) If you tell your kids not to do something but you give them the opportunity chose. If they still do it, does that mean you wouldnt care?2) Funny...Because it also says that the church is the only way for salvation and the OT ask for a donation of a tithe.
Yay, good to see you again friend. I haven`t seen you around a while, thought we`d lost you to the Real world! :-) Great to see you still here!
[quote]IAB Reaction: OMG a batpoo-crazy Christian calling a Muslim `friend` - does not compute... mind asplodes...[/quote]
If you aren`t even going to write real posts, what is the point of posting?
GO FIGURE IT OUT. It`s a fundamental flaw that you seem to think I need to be here for you to do that.
Imagine you meet a pretty lady. Would you come on these forums to ask me to put your penis in her ladybits for you? No, you`d figure it the drat out all on your lonesome. Go do that (the figuring part, although if you find someone with ladybits more power to you).
And yes, scientists make errors, but god obviously doesn`t. That`s the big difference. I can agree to some extent that religion helped build society since the peasants in feudal societies were basically pacified by the church and the promise of a grand afterlife but you won`t get me admitting anything farther than that.
I spent 2 years making arguments. Again, the idea that I should recite them all to you only demonstrates your own self absorption. It is perfectly possible for you to make your own arguments.
If you really want, look up my 3000 odd posts, and likely 3 or 4 books worth of argumentation on infidels.org for a more complete breakdown. Including my months of asking Atheists what exactly *any* argument looked like, and if they were willing to make an argument for anything at all that stood up to their own criteria, followed by months of silence.
I`m not here to do your thinking for you, especially not when you see it as a pissing competition that you can "win". It reverts back to "Lalalala, I`m not listening", and a waste of my (limited, non omnipotent) time.
Again and again, nihilism, is easy.
the church is made up of men who make errors just like scientists.
"And that people ethics and morals should be dwindling because of secularization is so laughable that i won`t even begin to argue against it"
not should, they are dwindling. i don`t think its that laughable i think you just can`t disprove it. and im not talking about the slaughters in africa beacuse of socio political issues or anything like that, im talking abortions (hello there is a drating lifeform growing in there), promiscuity, no self responsibilty/respect, acts done to fill a void in a persons life that lead the degradation of society.
You people keep telling me its all about faith but according to your book it wasnt always like that God actually used to perform miracles to prove his power. It`s a shame that he seemed to stop doing them just before video cameras were invented.
I really want to believe, so much so that i only ask god to show me 1 miracle (even a recording of one on a major news broadcaster would do) and i will happily give up my job and house and roam the earth converting all the non believers. Until that happens unfrotunatly im just going to have to stick with the opinion that it`s all a load of made up crap.
Another way to look at it is that the church prosecuted and killed scientists, thus holding society back for generations on end rather than bringing us forward. And that people ethics and morals should be dwindling because of secularization is so laughable that i won`t even begin to argue against it. The fact that you believe such a ridiculous thing leads me to think that whatever i say will fall on deaf ears.
But hey, let`s make one thing very clear here...i`m very open to any sort of coherent argument in gods favor that doesn`t include blind faith or personal experience. The thing is that i`ve yet to see it, and your attempts at fumbling it away with your ramblings doesn`t exactly prove anything. Other than a lack of arguments that is.
Lets be clear. Nihilism is easy. It is easy, to purposely misunderstand something, call it a contradiction, stick your fingers in your ears and go "Lalalalalalala, I can`t hear you I win". It does not require God to intercede on your behalf.
It is exactly like this original post. There is no argument. It is devoid of logical value. Yet you have quite a few people in this thread going "Yeah totally, LOL, theist FTL".
The question has been answered about 5 times per page in this 12 page thread, yet there are still people who think it has a point. Why would God come and smite you for simply ignoring something that is actually preposterously easy to grasp if you were to expend the same amount of energy thinking about it instead of mutual masturbation with the "unholier than thou" elitists?
I don`t expect that anymore than I expect Obama to do my Tax Returns for me personally.
"you say we`ll go to hell...."
because thats what we BELIEVE, not hatred. you cant have heaven without hell. thats not how christianity, or life works.
"you have no proof....."
neither do you, and we have faith.
some of us are, but the good ones arent.
"your priests rape little boys..."
that says nothing about christianity, and that wasnt even 1% of all child molestations.
no we aren`t. if anything, you are.
jesus loves you, and i eagerly await your replies.
Lets say you wanted a species to worship you. Lets say the greatest form of life in the universe at the moment was the gastrotrich, and lets say you had the capacity to broadcast telepathically to the entire species at will.
How often would you do it? How quickly would you get bored? If you`re not doing it every 2 days, congratulations, you`re letting generations of gastros die without knowing the glory of you, you "massive dick".
If the gap was the same as that between any realistic god and us, you`d need to do it every minute. Watching the Full Extended Lord of the Rings set would mean your species could evolve from not having stone tools to being a space faring race.
Why does it surprise you?
Megido: Assuming even the most favorable calculations on a cosmic scale (ironically, the YEC view here is most favourable to you), God last gave his message to his creation 23 God-years ago.
Using biblical sources, God last gave his message to his creation 2 days ago.
Using cosmic sources, God last gave his message to his creation 21 minutes ago assuming Jesus was the last time he did so. 15 minutes ago if you assume Mohammed, and a few seconds ago if you take some of the most recent varieties.
[spoiler]Teddybear, I hope you know that Angels & Demons isn`t the greatest source for a religious argument. Good quote, too. Because it basically answers your question."Why was the devil allowed into the Garden of Eden if He knew that Adam and Eve were going to disobey?".It`s the whole idea of free will, and think of it from a personal perspective: Honestly what would you like better, to be loved non-genuinely (like a gold digger)or to be loved willfully and genuinely? So by giving them choice, they must have been given the option of good or bad. They chose bad - it was their choice, not God`s.
k10josumm:I realize Zeitgeist is a compelling video. However, most of their historians were either very poor, didn`t live around the time of Jesus, or were novelists. It`s not all that much of a credible source.[/spoiler]
Also the fact that we don`t know where the universe came from does not equal god exists, as per usual that just starts the infinite regress; then where did god come from?
"Because he`s [freaking] God."
Similarly, I didn`t ask you to respond, I just called you names. Are you suggesting that when people insult you, you feel some sort of obligation to respond and/or defend yourself?
If only I had some parallel I could draw between what you did and what I... oh wait there it is!
I`m like MIB.
I am the best kept secret on the internet. My mission to monitor unnecessary religious debate activity on the internet.I am your best, last, and only line of defence.I work in secret, I exist in shadow.
And I dress in just shorts, cos I`m usually at home with just the wife arou... cough. I mean in black...
*bum-ta**bum-ta**bum-ta**bum-ta* Whoooo! Background vocals: Here comes Baal-tha-zaq.
"Also, why do you keep bringing up racism and the KKK?""And yes it may be bigoted, okay you can have that."
You answer your own questions
"Science has been the most successful way of discovering truth ever invented"
Because science and religion are separate?John Paul on Science
"my theory is that god didnt create the universe get REAL!"Ok so the universe came out of no where and we are all here just because....makes sense. *throws the Law of Conservation of Matter out the door*
And on a side note: Baalthazaq! Long time no see
So you are basically saying if we all have the same belief the world would be better? You are a drating genius grasshopper. I vote for the Allied Atheist Alliance for the United Atheist League. And I`ll fight you for it.
"I mean like, why 6 days instead of say 10 or even 1. If its an unspecified amount of time then what would be the point in saying 6?"
7 Had a special meaning at that time.
"Honestly, what plausible reason could god have for not just coming down to earth, smiting all the draters in need of smiting then saving the remaining god-fearing people?"
"I HATE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE. They have no tolerance for anything or anyone."The comedic irony is making me giggle.
"Go convert some natives while your priests rape little boys."
You do realize that the majority of sex offenders are actually not Catholic priest and the only reason they get so much attention is because of added media coverage
You would be quick to denounce a racist comment, and even quick to denounce someone who attacked your worldview, but you don`t see your own prejudices, because attacking religion is currently politically correct, especially in places like IAB.
You don`t understand that it is bigotry.
You didn`t contribute anything to the debate, you merely stated your all caps hatred for another group of people based on their opinions, and furthermore stereotyped them.
Identical to any KKK justification about why their prejudices are acceptable. They`re not.
Incidentally, anyone arguing with my "sound in a vacuum" point, please notice it has a big freaking arrow pointing to it saying that it is retarded. The arrow may be relevant.
(For the sake of argument, I`m going to assume that the creation story is true. Not necessarily what I believe, but the question calls for it.)
Anyway, back then a day was an infinite yet infinitesimal amount of time. Well, since time hadn`t technically been invented yet either. What God probably did was split his work into six sections of indeterminate length, then put one section for rest, since even the Almighty deserves a break from humanity every now and then. We`d just call them "days," because that`s really the most important measure of time we had back then. There were two different types of "days" - God-days and Earth-days. Remember that God-days were both an infinite amount of time and an infinitely small amount of time, if they took any time at all. `Cause when it comes to the Lawrd, all kinds of crazy time paradoxes start poppin` up.
Either that or I`m drunk right now. XD
Sorry if somebody offered this. Couldn`t be bothered to read through 11 pages of religious bull.
just throwing that one out there...
God is no longer necessary, and I say good riddance.
Thank you and good night!!!
god made the universe in a certain amount of time, we as earthlings define time in minutes, hours, days etc. if we lived on jupiter we would say god created the universe in 14 days. good try though (i am an atheist).
I`m sick of anti-Bible theories that try to accuse God of fallacies. If God is real, it doesn`t matter what your conceptions of Him are--He would be more powerful and more omnipotent than you would be capable of understanding.
If He`s not real, than the Bible is full of crap because people are full of crap. What I`m saying is anything wrong with the Bible comes from people; involving God in your discussion makes absolutely no sense.
I`m not an atheist, but I don`t worry about the afterlife. I try to be good to everyone as much as I can, simply for the sake of being good. I believe there`s an afterlife, but even if there weren`t, I would live the same way I do today. I try to better this life, I`ll handle whatever else there is when it gets here.
being good because of religious beleifs instead of just being a good person is like being forced to lie with a gun pointed at your head
flashfact, good aetheists are inherently more moral than good beleivers, we`re good for the sake of good, not to save ourselves or worm our way into an afterlife
~ 666 posts. WOW . good timing Sentinal
it is a good question, which leads me to believe the bible might not have meant it literally.
Still, I don`t believe in it so :/
How about answering the questions then, rather than some artard semantics about how FAIL it is to be able to actually criticizes what you read and hear.
War is seldom initiated because of religion directly, but is often used as a motivator and an excuse.
"I`m 100% Atheist, but logically the earth would be going at the same speed as gods time table. So one day in heaven (if it would be real) is the same as one day on earth. If you create life wouldn`t you want it to be awake at the same time you are :p. (And just delegate for the other half that is awake when you sleep ^^)" this is just stupid. As far as the whole time thing, I dont see why a God couldnt create the world in one day so why would it be strange for him to wait for it to rotate. Hey it might have somthing to do with layers. We realy dont know why and It doesnt mater what you say to disprove it because you cant say for sure. You dont know God or how He works.
Honestly, what plausible reason could god have for not just coming down to earth, smiting all the draters in need of smiting then saving the remaining god-fearing people?
Exactly.I mean like, why 6 days instead of say 10 or even 1. If its an unspecified amount of time then what would be the point in saying 6?
due to god`s transcendency, he is not subject to our rules of time
thus, a "day" could just be an unspecific period of time, not the literal 24 hours "
Sounds more lie a theologian`s way to dodge the question if you ask me. Also one would have to ask why god would, through his prophets, phrase it in such a way.
thus, a "day" could just be an unspecific period of time, not the literal 24 hours
Just thought of it. haha
its in the "fact" section. yet it was written 1800 years ago but celibate wine guzzling jesus freaks.
yet salman rushtie (??) satanic verses is in the fiction bit....isnt it basically teh same thing. a crackpot wrote a book, other religions hate and is revered by some but mostly not by the rest of the world?
and dont bash my view aside as y`all be hypocritical as im not bashing yours out the way, i just choose not to believe in a "being" that made a planet in </= 7 days.
what the other planets? what about the cavmen? if we were made in "his" image, shouldnt i be black, jewish and have massive breasts about now?
Go convert some natives while your priests rape little boys.
...cause that would make it too goddamn easy.
and YOU, LordSameth.... you are presently my hero of the day.
nah, this one`s too tricky for me. imo God doesn`t know how long a day is because God is an invented concept, made to fill an unnecessary void created by mankind.
Hehe, I know it is way more logical to say it all happend by science, but really, I don`t see how the earth and everything on it was created randomly. I feel God was the big bang if that makes any sense. :P
Btw. There is sound in space, only not audible to humans. Space is not a pure vacuum, so there is sound.But then again, making an argument like that tells alot.
Either way, I believe God was behind it all, no matter what happened. I`ve experienced too many miracles to deny it.
Answer 1A day in God`s life is not the same as a day on earth for example 1 of God`s days may be equal to 1000 of our years. Therefore when God created the Universe it took him 6 of His days to create but that may be equal to 6000 of our years. I hope this makes sense. I am not going to get into the whole space-time continuum thing.
Answer 2When God created the universe He may have structured the way the solar system interacts to coincide with 1 of His days. Therefore 24 hours in His world is the same as 24 hours in our world.
Thus if you Believe in God then you must believe there is a heaven or a hell. etc. etc.
I am not going to get into a Religious flame war, as it is pointless. Because everyone believes their faith or non belief to be the truth, based on their own perceptions, that of their peers, or other peoples` perceptions forced upon them.
My favourite beliefs are:1. we are all just sprites in the computer game of life :-)2. was it Bill Hicks or The Beatles that said we are all one conciousness experiencing ourself within itself?
You want to feel superior, but you are demonstrating astounding ignorance.
Also, everything Lost in Korea said: "I HATE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE" + "I try and accept people for who they are""THEY ARE ALL Hypocrites!" + "They are so judgmental!"
Seriously? Seriously now? It`s like no one reads what they write anymore. You`re not tolerant at all. You`re a judgmental, hypocritical, intolerant, liar. You couldn`t even get through a single POST without contradicting yourself multiple times and screaming about how you "HATE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE" all caps like some scruffy drunkard going "BLACKS GO BACK TO AFRICA" at the side of the road.
Antitheism, the politically correct intolerance.
I can`t imagine anyone so stupid that they couldn`t come up with one of the many easy answers to the question, although then again, I didn`t think anyone was around, stupid enough to use it as an argument. Not only that, you`re cheating. You`re talking about a "Solar Day" as if it is the only definition of day, when really there are 12 others. You`re just antagonizing, you`re not contributing.
"It`s called the big bang, but as we all know there is no sound in a vacuum" <-- Seriously. The argument is that retarded.
the incans had it right
Im another omnipotent god, and a trivial thing such as "I`m a liar" is inconsequential to myself.
im with that guy, if he does exist, i dont like him and want nothing to do with him. he is no better than a king/pharao/monarch/emperor that says `if you defy me i will kill you. because god does indeed say that. and any being that can create something as terrible as hell, i want nothing to do with them.
point being, people see what they want to see.
GOD DOESN`T EXIST.
thats half right, primetime, i think its mroe accurate to say, a man sees what he wants to see. if you are looking for everyday good, your going to see it and not notice the bad as much, if your looking for the bad, your going to see it and not so much the good.
Remember that time you posted something JUST to start a religious flamewar?
Cause that just happened
Grow up, I-A-B
Thats not realism, thats pessimism. I`m a realist, and I`ve found out there is probably more good than bad. It`s easier to find every day good than there is everyday bad. And thats without sugar coating anything
Mob mentality here...shame on you IAB!
Putting it simply, the universe started as a completely blank canvas and, at present, we simply can`t explain where it came from. All we know is, the universe didn`t come from nothing.
If you think the Big Bang was a gas explosion, you`re way off. BBTheory simply states that the universe was much, much smaller than it is now. Originally all matter was energy, compacted into the tiniest possible speck of existence called a singularity. The universe did not come from nothing, nor was it an explosion of a minuscule dot in the empty blackness of space. There was no space, no blackness, no void into which the singularity could explode. It`s just that the universe was smaller and got bigger.
Or streaking, or T-Ping, or robbing banks, or murdering prostituts, or... I mean, what?===========================================
Drive-by, hit-and-run, mass murder.... too much?
I mean, who knows, the entire idea of existence could have fallen out of a vortex in some space alien`s anus for all we know, but the moment you start calling that person an idiot for believing it, is when you`ve lost ALL your credibility.
It is a way to explain who we are and where we come from, but for effing sake, don`t FIGHT over it. There`s a lot more important things you could be doing...like creating something to inspire someone else, or FINDING FUN AND UNUSUAL CONTENT FOR A LINK-BASED WEBSITE, or drawing a picture...
Here`s a silly thought that actually kinda makes some sense: Maybe the Big Bang that created the universe was God farting. ^_^
And God came from? Lemme guess he`s always been there?
Like I said either way both come from nothing. If God created the big bang where did he come from? Nothing.
You obviously havent read my post. I are genious
Or streaking, or T-Ping, or robbing banks, or murdering prostituts, or... I mean, what?
As for "they", good point, ya got me. I retract that.
(Sure, you`ll let them argue over the stupid creation bullcrap but does my Betty Bowers link make the cut? Nooooo. Who deleted that?)
OMG you`re 18-29 and you`ve never heard of Panty Raids or Spray Paint?
Good answer nzfk.
lol, time cubes
"Why don`t we just go outside and play a game or something?"
I`d love to, but I don`t know any outdoor games that can be played at 1:30am? Suggestions?
Who are they, exactly?
I hear they`re told that anything outside of the bible is a lie and the people that say anything outside of the bible are trying to make them turn to sin or something to that effect.
I mean...if you wanted to control millions of people, wouldn`t you do so with something like that? Something they have no way of proving or disproving? Something that they can only "have faith" with?
But then...if you want to believe science, that`s okay too. I`m pretty sure either side can`t really be proven, as it is, both sides of a creation theory.
So why are we fighting again? Over what MAY have happened to bring us all about?
Does it really matter at this point?
Life`s too short for bullsh*t. Why don`t we just go outside and play a game or something?
John 14:6 And Jesus said unto him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes unto the Father EXCEPT through me.
I can go on like this all day long the Bible makes many references to other gods. What you won`t find in the Bible is any reference saying "The one true God" if there is show me
I think ignorance on everyone`s part is completely stupid. If you don`t agree with someone, fine. That is your prerogative. But I think Penn (as in Penn and Teller) put it best in a blog he recently posted on YouTube. He said something to the effect of " If you were standing in the middle of the street and I knew that there was a bus speeding straight towards you, I would tell you about it even if you didn`t believe me. If you truly believe that there is a God, and that there is the possibility that someone might be going to hell for not believing in Him, I think you should proselytize whenever and to whomever you can. If you believe that God exists, how much do you have to hate someone, NOT to proselytize?"
I just can`t stand people on both sides getting all pissy at each other.
Funny, nearly a thousand years ago people were killing each other debating whose religion was "correct". Now people sit behind computer screens and whinge when someone doesn`t agree with their beliefs.
Great we aren`t killing each other over it, but after hundreds of years of blood shed you`d think people would learn.
See, God never said "I created the Earth in 6 days". Later, people concluded that he did.
Is this a real riddle or some passive-aggressive anti-Christian thing?
Still the bible is inconsistent and non-scientific.
Yeay i get to go to heaven =)...oh wait
"In the beginning, Chuck Norris round house kicked god, to whicheth he layed out cold for six days, and once awoketh, though it had been only one day, because time travels 6 times faster at the end of Chuck Norrises boot. Chuck Norris had left soon after the beating of god, in seek of a more challenging fight."
Thats just fact right there, its in the bible guys, come on.
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Therefore, before everything else was created there was at least an earth. Because there was an earth, there could be a rotation of the earth and thus the days are defined.
Cause we get it... you don`t believe.. and you`ll give your scientific reasons of why he is not real.
We have been through this before, but now that we are on the subject of GOD, there is no reason for your reasons of why he is not real.
The question was about god. Not about if he is real.
I`m hungry for chocolate.
kinda like you did, mr. teddybear-whatever. spellcheck man. drat you.
Lets go ask God to find out