Earth/Creation Brain Teaser

Submitted by: Mat 7 years ago in Quizzes

Anyone who can answer this question gets to go to heaven.
There are 384 comments:
Male 3
gravity is our interpretation of the change in time, the more space expands the more gravity there is and the faster time becomes so after God made the big bang space started to expand and so what appears to us as over 6 trillion years (i forget the actual number) is in reality only 6 days and i would say that it is around 1:00 pm in our interpretation of God`s time
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Female 2
Because he`s God! He decided.
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Female 1
Of course you cant take it literally, because time ca exist without God. It`s a dimension just like length and height. Time exists because gravity exists, or maybe its the other way around. They are relative to each other. Gravity exists when things are drawn to a center of matter. So without matter there is not gravity and thus no time. So frankly, God can do whatever.
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Male 28
because when thr good lord created the universe he was on his own time he created the day so us mortals can survive
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Male 64
Exactly. God doesnt exist haha.
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Male 317
Even tho I am an atheist, I will still argue stupid statements...They believe god created the universe in what we perceive as 6 days. Before the earth was formed, the length of time 6 days represents still existed and will after the earth is gone.
(The bible was written after humans understood the length of 6 days)

IAB, Can I accept the cash equivalent to the prize?
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Male 76
pff god, god needed to pay off a loan to Chuck Norris be4 he made the universe
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Female 125
True story:
Talking about dinosaurs in class. Girl says "I personally believe that if God wanted Dinosaurs to exist, he would`ve put them on the ark." Everyone looks at her and goes silent. She has no idea what she has just said is completely the dumbest thing we`ve heard from her yet.
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Male 5
Um becauses he made it! lol
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Female 1
Because God Knows EVERYTHING.
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Male 3
HI IS GOD
GOD IS ALMIGHTY PEOPLE!!!!
o:-)
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Male 2

"Day" as used in the verses of Genesis that you are referring to is translated from the Hebrew word Yom (has more than one meaning).. one of which is "period of time." Not a mystery, just another common misconception concerning the translation of our English Bibles.
Remember, Creation will always agree with science. Earth was not created in 6 days, but rather 6 "period(s) of time"
The first "period of time" was likely the `Big Bang`- that`s when God said "Let there be light"

PROVERBS 1:20-22
WISDOM SHOUTS IN THE STREET, SHE LIFTS HER VOICE IN THE SQUARE; AT THE HEAD OF THE NOISY STREETS SHE CRIES OUT; AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE GATES IN THE CITY SHE UTTERS HER SAYINGS: HOW LONG, O NAIVE ONES, WILL YOU LOVE BEING SIMPLE-MINDED? AND SCOFFERS (MOCKERS) DELIGHT THEMSELVES IN SCOFFING AND FOOLS HATE KNOWLEDGE?

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Female 248
I believe in god or souls at least...But I dont belive he created the world because it just makes poo all sense and where are the dinosaurs in the bible? Its a sin to pee so were all screwed.
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Male 1
Because on the first day god created day and night!!! =E
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Male 33
oh tht`s easy... when he gave the data to us, he gave t in seconds...and we the brainy humans,converted it to days and bla bla bla LMAO!!

Good question though... haven`t thought o it before

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Male 165
Same as Trixxie cuz he`s friggen God or as i call him the man who invented things for us and some other stuff i couldn`t think of being his name name in these 10 seconds.
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Female 209
becuz he`s God :)
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Female 15
god did not create the universe.
i`m going to hell
:)
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Female 397
ugggh. the day goes by so slow...
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Male 2

"Day" as used in the verses of Genesis that you are referring to is translated from the Hebrew word Yom (has more than one meaning).. one of which is "period of time." Not a mystery, but another common misconception/translation error of our English Bibles.
Remember, Creation will always agree with science. Earth was not created in 6 days, but rather 6 "period(s) of time"
The first "period of time" was likely the `Big Bang`, or some likeness- that`s when God said "Let there be light"

PROVERBS 1:20-22
WISDOM SHOUTS IN THE STREET, SHE LIFTS HER VOICE IN THE SQUARE; AT THE HEAD OF THE NOISY STREETS SHE CRIES OUT; AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE GATES IN THE CITY SHE UTTERS HER SAYINGS: HOW LONG, O NAIVE ONES, WILL YOU LOVE BEING SIMPLE-MINDED? AND SCOFFERS (MOCKERS) DELIGHT THEMSELVES IN SCOFFING AND FOOLS HATE KNOWLEDGE?

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Male 191
"Actually, a day could have been as long as it needed to be. It can`t be based on time period markings of other planets, as most planets have different revolution cycles.

In the play `Inherit the Wind`, the period of time that we call one day didn`t exist at the start of creation. Christians who accept evolution, (yes, there are SOME) like the theory that during god`s first 6 days of creation, time was relative to nothing... so the first day could have been 10 days, or 100 days, or 10 billion years.
The truth is, god didn`t know what a day was.... We as humans invented the time frame of one day based off of the revolution time of our own planet. In fact, humans created what we know of time.... god didn`t tell someone `ok, get these things together and i`ll teach you how to make a watch.... now... wait until i tell you.... NOW! That`s one hour! 24 of those (give or take a minute-ish) is one day`."

your going to heaven I guess haha

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Male 17
I`m an atheist, so yeah.
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Male 58
Actually, a day could have been as long as it needed to be. It can`t be based on time period markings of other planets, as most planets have different revolution cycles.

In the play `Inherit the Wind`, the period of time that we call one day didn`t exist at the start of creation. Christians who accept evolution, (yes, there are SOME) like the theory that during god`s first 6 days of creation, time was relative to nothing... so the first day could have been 10 days, or 100 days, or 10 billion years.

The truth is, god didn`t know what a day was.... We as humans invented the time frame of one day based off of the revolution time of our own planet. In fact, humans created what we know of time.... god didn`t tell someone `ok, get these things together and i`ll teach you how to make a watch.... now... wait until i tell you.... NOW! That`s one hour! 24 of those (give or take a minute-ish) is one day`.

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Female 4
uhhh duh...he`s fudgein god...he`s the one who created how long a day is...damn!
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Female 688
cuz hes god, dumbass.
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Female 82
Magic.
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Female 87
god just made up a number and rolled with it.
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Female 16
He used the time period markings of other planets. God created the universe, or so Christians say, actually in one day on Pluto. If he made the other planets before Earth, this is one way he could`ve known. Although, I`m not Christian. Just a girl with a logical answer.
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Female 8
God guessed. Duh
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Male 161
lol @ MrBob
Did you mean "meant" instead of "ment", too?
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Male 1
Since the earth was already created and in existence before God created light (Gen. 1:1-3), 24-hour days were possible for each of the days of the creation week (including the first day). Only light and a rotating earth are needed for a day, and they were both created on day one.
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Female 53
If you say that God is omniscient and knew how long a day would be, that means he plans out everything in the future and we`re all pre-determined. How depressing (not to mention pointless from God`s point of view)
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Female 8
in the bible it does not define what exactly a day is in "human terms" God`s time and our time could have been completly different... nevertheless he created earth in six days... on God time OR human time.... not a very deep theological ?tion....
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Female 131
God knos all. He is omnipotent. thts how He knew tha rotation time ov tha Earth
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Male 45
soory i ment seconds not secinds
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Male 45
thats easy.god didn`t. or, for the non atiest society, in the first few secind or day, god created a rotating sphere, and then created the rest.
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Female 1
Toneman, the bible does actually state that Jesus is divine, I have read both the greek, hebrew, and latin versions and I can show you where it is said.
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Male 331
With God, ANYTHING is possible.
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Male 601
There`s a gap between what we perceive and what reality is, which explains why it is difficult to either prove a God`s existence or classify it. All that really matters is if your faith pays off or not when you die, because you will not be able to justify your beliefs in any rational way to someone with an opposing view, so what`s the point of arguing about it?
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Female 59
Because he is God. He decided to make a day long, and made the Earth (the "only" planet that supports life) how ong he made a day.
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Female 41
God created the Heavens and the Earth in their entirety; therefore, God chose how long a day would be.
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Male 527
Actually, XxNaruNaruxX, dinosaurs are NOT mentioned in the Bible. Creationists that so badly want their 2000 year old `Gospel` to be true, make it true by changing translation. The mention of leviathan and the like are not dinosaurs. That is simply what your pastor is pounding in your head.

Baalthazaq, you are absolutely correct. Much is lost in translations. In fact, there is indisputable proof that that much of the New Testament was mistranslated to fit Christian teaching. The man Jesus never claimed to be divine in the original manuscripts. It`s a fact.

I would also like to point out that the newest book in the Bible is approximately 2000 years old. Modern science is only about 200. The Bible is not a science book nor a history book!

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Female 72
LOL DARTHCHADLY is going to heaven. And seeing as I agree, so am I... I think.
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Male 144
Actually it DOES mention "dinosaurs" in the Bible- not the exact words but it does describe "large, lizard-like creatures" in some of the books in the Bible. It`s usually important to read up on what you`re trying to put down, Pyrosisflame.
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Male 592
also... dinosaurs. it didnt mention them in the bible. :D but wait we HAFF PROOFFF
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Male 4,547
Heh, going through a few literal translations, you could even argue Young`s literal translation seems to suggest day 1-6 were a design phase. ;)

Compare Genesis 1, day 6, in a literal translation:
"And God prepareth the man in His image; in the image of God He prepared him, a male and a female He prepared them."

With Genesis 2:7 in the same translation:
"And Jehovah God formeth the man -- dust from the ground, and breatheth into his nostrils breath of life, and the man becometh a living creature"

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Male 4,547
Toneman: It`s obvious you didn`t read my post.
I read the source, I read it in English. I`m wondering if the English is still accurate to at least the Hebrew.

Also, are you talking specifically about the KJV, RSV, etc? Are you using a literal translation, a free translation, or a dynamic equivalent translation?

I ask, because for example certain passages become unclear after translation depending on the type.

According to some translations, Sarah was Abraham`s wife, whereas Hagar was his "woman". Even though in the original Hebrew the same word is used for both Hagar and Sarah.

Other important changes that occur in translation is when Jesus is asked if he is the son of God, he replies "That`s what you say" in a literal translation, but in many versions it is translated as "yes" or even worse "that is what you say" with an added "and you are correct".

Translation matters.

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Male 16
Man created how long a day is. God can make a day last as long or short as he wants. It never says how long a day is in the bible.
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Male 527
Baalthazaq, it`s quite obvious that you haven`t read the source. The reason the question hasn`t been asked is because the Bible makes it very clear that the mythical creation of all things took place in six days and rested on the seventh.

Day 1) Heaven and Earth, light and dark, day and night and it was awesome.

Day 2) Firmament and waters and it was awesome.

Day 3) Land and sea, grass and trees and it was awesome.

Day 4) Seasons, stars, the sun and the moon and it was awesome.

Day 5) Fish, birds, whales, God told the to screw and it was awesome.

Day 6) Earth creatures, cows, bugs, a dude and a chick and told them to screw and it was awesome.

Day 7) Rest. Creating an entire universe is hard work, after all!

But then if you read the second chapter of Genesis, there is a completely different account of how man and woman were created.

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Male 4,547
Incidentally, there`s one thing no one seems to have mentioned, and I`m curious.

Does the bible say God created everything in or on 6 days? They mean extremely different things.

"In 6 days" potentially suggests 2 things. First, that it took him 144 hours, and second that it was within 144 hours. Neither of those things are things I agree with.

Extending or shrinking the value of a day based on Peter (1000 years) or the more flexible Genesis translation, still makes it seem like God is working for long periods of time, does he do that or does he make things occur instantly in under a second?

"On 6 days" on the other hand suggests none of that at all. It merely suggests that God interfered 6 times in the universe, with no suggestion of timescales.

Day 1 could easily be a billion years before Day 2.

Can anyone translate Hebrew and tell me if there`s a possible translation there?

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Male 527
Slyguy056, I just have to point out that the very first verse in the King James version states, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." Exactly what passage are you referring to that suggests otherwise. Trust me...the Bible is loaded with contradiction. I do understand that. I`m must curious of your source.
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Male 8,302
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Male 543
a world without religion.
imagine that?

its just a drating image some smartass made to make people argue and debate.
no one`s gonna win, so stop trying.


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Male 37
We already know how long an hour is (60 minutes or 360 seconds), but then we created the timeglass to represent the exact (stop being pernicity or pedantic) amount of time of an hour.

I suspect that God decided how long 1 day was, and then created the Earth to the exact dimensions, and the created the planet`s spin to represent 1 day, just like we did with the hour glass.

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Male 601
I try to keep my mind open about the existence of God. I consider myself atheist, but I would entertain the argument that everything I believe in--e.g, science and math--might be inventions of God to test our faith. There is no reliable proof that God exists nor is there any that proves He does not. By the definition of existence; something composed of matter and energy,God does not technically exist, but that ignores the idea that math, science, and logic might be creations of a supreme being. On the other hand, you cannot say God exists because the Bible proves it, there is no way to determine the authenticity of the Bible`s stories. I personally do not believe in God for the simple fact that His existence would upset everything I understand about my own existence, as I`m sure would be the reason for someone to believe He does exist. I also believe people should not be judged based on their beliefs because life often dictates them.
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Male 527
I would like to make one last comment. The taste of victory last night was do delightful!

There are always so many Christians and never enough lions!

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Male 4,547
Anyway, almost 8am. I`ll be back in the morning if anyone else still is.
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Male 4,547
And by the way Andy, I think you should reread the entire dialogue between me and Megido.

I simply stated that 2000 years isn`t all that long.
He was the one who then demanded I prove the existance of a deity, claimed God is obligated to demonstrate himself to him, asked for arguments claiming I had none, and so on and so forth.

All "everyone owes me my education", when he could quite easily find everything I have to offer, without using anything I`ve written, with Google. I would suggest it would even do him more good.

I then said if he wants my arguments they`re available and I don`t need to recreate them for him.

you act as if I came in here and out of nowhere said "I have some arguments, but I`m hiding them, muahahaha".

No. He asked me for them, and I provided the first one I could find. Why the criticism?

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Male 4,547
1) Nothing I introduce is going to be new material. My entire premise is that the information is readily available, and that I am not required for any of his needs. (I`m not saying people should look for *my* arguments, I`m saying people have Google, and the information exists).

2) I would wager you don`t know many of my views, let alone my likelihood of changing them or my tenacity for changing other people`s.

3) To state two things are mutually exclusive is a positive statement. I get to be lazy on this one. :P However, I also didn`t say they weren`t mutually exclusive, I`m merely trying to find out "which God he doesn`t believe in".

What he finds extraordinary about it, which components he attributes to God, and if they are Christian or more Deist in nature.

Again: Why do you assume just because I question his beliefs that I disagree with them?

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Male 734
Answer: Undefined
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Male 300
In fact, how do you expect to debate when you won`t even post your arguments because you`re already done so elsewhere and you want him to look for them? If anything, you`re making the argumentation hard, not him.

You also seem to take the line of "I`ve thought about this more, therefore I`m right." You also ask him questions which could easily be reversed back at you. Such is the nature of religious debates, many arguments work both ways. For example:

"Why do you assume the big bang and God are mutually exclusive?"

Why do you assume they aren`t? Instead of waiting for his replies and rebutting them, give your own logic first and then let him rebut that. I thought you were debating with him, not lecturing him.

Of course I`m not saying that you`re 100% wrong, because much of what you say makes sense, but it comes over in a way that makes you look arrogant and self-righteous. You make it difficult for people to debate with you because you talk down to them all

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Male 300
What I hate about religious debate is how certain people arise and are so forceful in shoving their opinions down other peoples` throats that it makes you want to punch them in the face.

Baalthazaq is our `certain person` today. At every step he falls deeper into the pitfalls of hypocrisy.

"Again, the idea that I should recite them all to you only demonstrates your own self absorption."

No. 1, you`ve spent 2 years developing arguments. Talk about self absorbed. And although you deny it, you`re clearly not interested in changing your views, but changing the views of others. Otherwise you wouldn`t feel the need to lecture people.

"That`s incorrect" - in a purely speculative debate, such a phrase has no place. You mean to say "I don`t share that opinion."

All arguments of this nature are built up from basic assumptions about the nature of God. When you reject those assumptions without clear explanation, how do you expect to debate?

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Male 4,547
(Incidentally I didn`t say the ability to telepathically talk to all of creation was a necessary trait of God, I merely suggested that you had the ability to do so in the analogy, just to keep things "simple").

I also wouldn`t classify God as a "being" necessarily if that`s going to become important to the discussion.

I don`t want arguments about anthropomorphism, I didn`t say God was a big dude with a striking resemblance to Santa, despite what the Disney channel may suggest.

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Male 4,547
sorry, should have put this all in one post:

Extraordinary: Define.
Do you actually know of any evidence to support the big bang theory or do you just assume there is evidence because other people told you there was?

Why do you assume the big bang and God are mutually exclusive?

If we`re playing that game and making Strawman gods, can we also do strawman big bangs? There is currently 0 evidence in support of what a layman thinks the big bang is. There is plenty for a singularity followed by a universe, but there is none for "nothing" followed by the big bang.

I wouldn`t call that evidence extraordinary however, and I would call the big bang so. Do you really think I couldn`t word the creation of time and space as extraordinary? Why would it not be fair for me to do so? Why don`t you?

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Male 4,547
Megido:
I already did before you replied.
See my point #4.
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Male 300
God doesn`t exist. He told me himself.

Now while it`s always nice to conjure up a huge argument about God, I do realise that it`s futile. A post in this forum is insignificant, yet from my viewpoint it is the most important. That sounds familiar...think about Earth. A tiny, insignificant planet in a huge universe and yet for some reason, religion makes it the most important thing in the whole of the universe. Hmm...sounds like the work of an egotistical human to me, and not some divine being.

But that`s just pure speculation, of course. I do not think myself right any more than I think myself wrong. But that`s the problem. Religious debates DON`T GO ANYWHERE. These debates are fuelled more by opinion than logic, and usually by people who don`t even understand enough to be able to argue properly. Most of the time people argue insignificant details. For example, disproving evolution doesn`t disprove atheism, and disproving Christianity doesn`t disprove God.

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Male 438
Agnostic viewpoint! If God created the whole universe I would think he would have no problem creating mathematics for the length of a day.
Baalthzaq pretty much nailed it on the head.
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Male 439
Oh and i don`t think a being with infinite lifespan, unlimited power and unlimited knowledge of past, present and future events could be called anything but extraordinary. Agreed that if a god with supernatural properties (by todays known laws of physics) did exist that would erase the whole supernatural aspect but that`s beside the point. If you want to claim that whatever created the universe and life is an intelligent entity with infinite knowledge and power, the capacity to telepathically talk to every human on the planet simultaneously and also give a hoot the burden of proof is on you.

The least you could do in this case then is at least point me in the right direction, as i have no intention to search through IAB history to find your posts. Either post a real reply, give me a link i can visit or, as they say on that there internet; GTFO.

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Male 439
First off i never claimed that i don`t have ideas already, anything else would be ridiculous. I am however, like i said before, open to something that i can perceive as evidence of God existing. For me that is something measurable and not how you word this or that thing. The big bang seems like a likely candidate for how the universe started based on the research done in the field, we have actual data suggesting that it might have happened. I`m still open for other explanations though, as long as there is proof.

And you are correct, my education is no concern of yours but that still makes me wonder why you are posting at all. If you don`t want to make a rebuttal then don`t. It`s not like I`m forcing you. For someone who doesn`t want to have this debate again you sure do seem to try hard.

More yakking follows -->

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Male 29
ok my answer is this god knew what a day is for the fact is that he created a day so when he was done he knew by the standard he had created how long it took
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Male 4,547
Hey Lionhart,
I`ve been on holiday visiting the US and UK so taken a month off work. Which is why I`m still posting on a weekday despite it being.... wow 4:30... ok maybe bed would still be a good idea.
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Male 4,547
4) Old 16 page argument about what I think a concept of God is as opposed to other theistic interpretations: Here we go.
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Male 4,547
3) "The same rhetoric".

Utterly wrong in intent and methodology. Rhetoric implies I care what you think, and am trying to persuade you to change your mind.

I don`t care about your opinion so much as I care about your epistemology. That`s why it takes freaking ages to argue with me, because what I`m trying to change, if anything, isn`t whether or not you hold opinion X, but whether or not you have any clue how you got to opinion X (or Y or Z).

I have a tendency to find threads like this one, intellectually lazy, literally ignorant (literally ignoring people giving short clear answers to one of the many "impossible questions" posed), and as I said earlier, an act of mutual masturbation amongst an elitist crowd.

If *I`M calling someone elitist, you should get the hint that something is seriously amiss.

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Male 4,547
2) The burden of proof is on you!

Another mantra, correct in part in that anyone making a positive statement in an argument has the burden of proof, but false in that I somehow have an obligation to be the one to do it.

Also false in that I am somehow responsible for your education when I have already provided (endlessly, here and elsewhere), material for you to peruse at your leisure.

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Male 4,547
that`s just one example Megido of how you are not a blank slate. You START not from 0 where I can tell you things and we can have a conversation,but from your own set of beliefs you`ll no doubt refuse you have.

You feel that admitting you have beliefs somehow makes you less correct, and will refuse to admit that your beliefs about God, are not conclusions, they are priori statements.

1) You start witht he concept that God is "extraordinary", along with the mantra "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".

That`s incorrect, the whole point of any demonstration is that God is not extraordinary. God is a integral part of the world and therefore needs to be ordinary to some degree.

I could call the big bang extraordinary. Did you require extraordinary evidence for it?

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Male 7,933
"If people are capable of picking and choosing what parts of the bible are morally correct then the sense of right and wrong must come from elsewhere, or do you stone people to death for working on Sundays? "

" The way i see it proving god is your responsibility and not mine."

John Stuart Mills said that burden of proof is against that which goes against the norm. So theoretically the percentage of atheist and theist should remain the same for all eternity.

The OT can be divided into moral, ceremonial, and judicial. The death of Jesus removed us from ceremonial and judicial, thats why we dont stone people for working on sundays.

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Male 7,933
" so much so that i only ask god to show me 1 miracle "
Miracles occur everyday, just not necessarily in the advertised package.
"@ primetimekin: "So you are basically saying if we all have the same belief the world would be better?"
Yes we would (ex if it was, you would still have the WTC towers), but let it be Athiest. And b4 you god boys say anything.
1. If we all have free will from god, god wouldent mind us not worshiping him. Aslong as you live like a good person he wouldent care.
2. The bible clearly states that a building for worschip (churche) is a big no no. Same for asking money for it.
Try arguing that, thats stuff from the bible god boys :p"

1) If you tell your kids not to do something but you give them the opportunity chose. If they still do it, does that mean you wouldnt care?
2) Funny...Because it also says that the church is the only way for salvation and the OT ask for a donation of a tithe.

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Male 8,302
> Baalthazaq

Yay, good to see you again friend. I haven`t seen you around a while, thought we`d lost you to the Real world! :-) Great to see you still here!

[quote]IAB Reaction: OMG a batpoo-crazy Christian calling a Muslim `friend` - does not compute... mind asplodes...[/quote]

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Male 439
" who was a real man, and is documented historically"
Except we know very little of him other than what is written in the gospels. The history of Jesus Christ somewhat doubtful to say the least. Either you trust the bible or you don`t. Not exactly solid evidence there.
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Male 1
@darkhawk:1)"God boys"?honestly?its ok to have your own opinions about something but its not cool to put down other people`s beliefs just cuz they`re not your own.
2)God put us on this earth solely to worship him.think about it,if he DIDNT give people free will, people would just be like robots without any free will and without the ability to experience love and truly worship.
3)i would love to see the verse where you found that it says in the bible not to build a church.you should definately try checking your facts,cuz im sure i could find several more verses proving you wrong.
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Male 439
Baalthasaq: The way i see it proving god is your responsibility and not mine. If it worked the other way around we`d never make any progress. If you have an extraordinary claim, you`d better have extraordinary proof. I`ve seen you post before and it seems that it`s always the same rhetoric on your part as well. The "I don`t need to explain myself to you" gambit just isn`t going to work. Sorry. I`m not trying to compete, i do however question what you say. As you are free to question things. If you don`t want to answer that`s fine but if you don`t want to bother i really don`t see why you write these long posts and end up trying to belittle me for being agnostic leaning to the point where i feel comfortable calling myself an atheist (I wouldn`t say that god doesn`t exist, but i lean strongly towards it).

If you aren`t even going to write real posts, what is the point of posting?

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Male 4,547
For that matter, look up some of my posts on IAB. *I* am not here as a copy paste machine every time someone repeats the arguments I`ve heard 1000 times before to give them their own personal lecture.

GO FIGURE IT OUT. It`s a fundamental flaw that you seem to think I need to be here for you to do that.

Imagine you meet a pretty lady. Would you come on these forums to ask me to put your penis in her ladybits for you? No, you`d figure it the drat out all on your lonesome. Go do that (the figuring part, although if you find someone with ladybits more power to you).

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Male 439
Oceanbeast: If people are capable of picking and choosing what parts of the bible are morally correct then the sense of right and wrong must come from elsewhere, or do you stone people to death for working on Sundays? Society is not more so morally bankrupt today than it was previously...unless you find masturbation and internet porn to be crimes against humanity. Which you probably do. Besides, people obviously managed to survive and repopulate before the bible ever existed, the fact that we are here to read it today is a testament to that. The bible and religion is no source or either morality or ethics.

And yes, scientists make errors, but god obviously doesn`t. That`s the big difference. I can agree to some extent that religion helped build society since the peasants in feudal societies were basically pacified by the church and the promise of a grand afterlife but you won`t get me admitting anything farther than that.

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Male 4,547
Megido.

I spent 2 years making arguments. Again, the idea that I should recite them all to you only demonstrates your own self absorption. It is perfectly possible for you to make your own arguments.

If you really want, look up my 3000 odd posts, and likely 3 or 4 books worth of argumentation on infidels.org for a more complete breakdown. Including my months of asking Atheists what exactly *any* argument looked like, and if they were willing to make an argument for anything at all that stood up to their own criteria, followed by months of silence.

I`m not here to do your thinking for you, especially not when you see it as a pissing competition that you can "win". It reverts back to "Lalalala, I`m not listening", and a waste of my (limited, non omnipotent) time.

Again and again, nihilism, is easy.

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Male 549
darkhawk - please enlighten us with those verses, as im not familiar with them but have an odd feeling you quote the old testament, of which many things where changed after the arrival of christ, who was a real man, and is documented historically
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Male 549
"Another way to look at it is that the church prosecuted and killed scientists"

the church is made up of men who make errors just like scientists.

"And that people ethics and morals should be dwindling because of secularization is so laughable that i won`t even begin to argue against it"

not should, they are dwindling. i don`t think its that laughable i think you just can`t disprove it. and im not talking about the slaughters in africa beacuse of socio political issues or anything like that, im talking abortions (hello there is a drating lifeform growing in there), promiscuity, no self responsibilty/respect, acts done to fill a void in a persons life that lead the degradation of society.

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Male 795
I was down until I read, "God created the universe", then I realized I hate westerns.
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Male 260
@ primetimekin: "So you are basically saying if we all have the same belief the world would be better?"
Yes we would (ex if it was, you would still have the WTC towers), but let it be Athiest. And b4 you god boys say anything.
1. If we all have free will from god, god wouldent mind us not worshiping him. Aslong as you live like a good person he wouldent care.
2. The bible clearly states that a building for worschip (churche) is a big no no. Same for asking money for it.
Try arguing that, thats stuff from the bible god boys :p
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Female 131
He didn`t know how long a day was, he created the earth because he was getting sick of oversleeping.
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Female 1,260
Okay, just once, just one single time, I would like to look at the comments after something REMOTELY to do with religion and find that we have all had a little laugh or just shrugged and thought "Hm, that was weird" and MOVE ON! Why, why, why do people feel the need to debate religion on a site that`s simply trying to bring a little amusement to our lives? Please, try to keep some perspective about these things.

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Male 686
Personally i find it a little bit annoying that God chose to put a water walking superman on the earth when it was least needed. People would and did believe anything that so called *spiritual leaders* told them back then so the whole feeding 1000 people and turning evian into chianti was sort of wasted.

You people keep telling me its all about faith but according to your book it wasnt always like that God actually used to perform miracles to prove his power. It`s a shame that he seemed to stop doing them just before video cameras were invented.

I really want to believe, so much so that i only ask god to show me 1 miracle (even a recording of one on a major news broadcaster would do) and i will happily give up my job and house and roam the earth converting all the non believers. Until that happens unfrotunatly im just going to have to stick with the opinion that it`s all a load of made up crap.

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Male 439
So if a god doesn`t give a hoot about war, disease, terrorism and unjustice...why the eff would he care about raping babies and killing neighbors? :P
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Female 193
Oh good grief...how did I foresee this? I knew this link reeked of religious debating material. Good lord.Don`t you people have anything else better to do than argue about "who`s god is better"? Person A believes in god and heaven and hell, Person B believes in god, but not in heaven and hell, and Person C believes in no god. But what`s the use in arguing? You`re only tiring yourselves. I honestly believe if there is a god out there, he or she does not give a DAMN about who we worship, if anything at all, as long as we don`t go out raping little children and killing our neighbors.
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Male 439
"ignorance is bliss, if you do not believe in God then i must ask have you tried not only to read the texts but to understand the timeline and philosophy behind it all? not only is this book The Bible i refer to a major major contributer to what was until a few generations back modern western society, the rising number or non believers is correlated to the degradation of traditional moral values and vice versa, draw your own conclusions"

Another way to look at it is that the church prosecuted and killed scientists, thus holding society back for generations on end rather than bringing us forward. And that people ethics and morals should be dwindling because of secularization is so laughable that i won`t even begin to argue against it. The fact that you believe such a ridiculous thing leads me to think that whatever i say will fall on deaf ears.

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Male 439
If god can`t be bothered to remind the people expected to believe in him then why indeed should we bother? What`s the point in worshiping a lazy god? I think a "thanks for that whole creation business, but now off to break a few commandments" is about all you`d need. Also if god is all powerful, reminding his minions every once in a while should be a jiffy. It`s peculiar how god is all powerful and all knowing sometimes and then all of a sudden he can`t be bothered because who would have it in them to show attention to those pesky dudes every 2 hours?

But hey, let`s make one thing very clear here...i`m very open to any sort of coherent argument in gods favor that doesn`t include blind faith or personal experience. The thing is that i`ve yet to see it, and your attempts at fumbling it away with your ramblings doesn`t exactly prove anything. Other than a lack of arguments that is.

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Male 549
ignorance is bliss, if you do not believe in God then i must ask have you tried not only to read the texts but to understand the timeline and philosophy behind it all? not only is this book The Bible i refer to a major major contributer to what was until a few generations back modern western society, the rising number or non believers is correlated to the degradation of traditional moral values and vice versa, draw your own conclusions
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Male 4,547
But that, Megido, isn`t the point now is it.

Lets be clear. Nihilism is easy. It is easy, to purposely misunderstand something, call it a contradiction, stick your fingers in your ears and go "Lalalalalalala, I can`t hear you I win". It does not require God to intercede on your behalf.

It is exactly like this original post. There is no argument. It is devoid of logical value. Yet you have quite a few people in this thread going "Yeah totally, LOL, theist FTL".

The question has been answered about 5 times per page in this 12 page thread, yet there are still people who think it has a point. Why would God come and smite you for simply ignoring something that is actually preposterously easy to grasp if you were to expend the same amount of energy thinking about it instead of mutual masturbation with the "unholier than thou" elitists?

I don`t expect that anymore than I expect Obama to do my Tax Returns for me personally.

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Male 189
since everyone is having another religious debate, i just thought id clear up some atheists complaints:

"you say we`ll go to hell...."

because thats what we BELIEVE, not hatred. you cant have heaven without hell. thats not how christianity, or life works.

"you have no proof....."

neither do you, and we have faith.

"you`re hypocrites...."

some of us are, but the good ones arent.

"your priests rape little boys..."

that says nothing about christianity, and that wasnt even 1% of all child molestations.


"you`re intolerant."

no we aren`t. if anything, you are.

jesus loves you, and i eagerly await your replies.

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Male 4,547
Basically, why would a being with a lifetime of 6000 -> 5 billion years, give us updates every generation?

Lets say you wanted a species to worship you. Lets say the greatest form of life in the universe at the moment was the gastrotrich, and lets say you had the capacity to broadcast telepathically to the entire species at will.

How often would you do it? How quickly would you get bored? If you`re not doing it every 2 days, congratulations, you`re letting generations of gastros die without knowing the glory of you, you "massive dick".

If the gap was the same as that between any realistic god and us, you`d need to do it every minute. Watching the Full Extended Lord of the Rings set would mean your species could evolve from not having stone tools to being a space faring race.

Why does it surprise you?

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Male 189
whose to say there werent days in heaven? god modeled man after his likeness, so why not time?
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Male 439
Baalthazaq: Well god in all his wisdom must understand that quite a few generations of humans have passed since even the most recent acknowledged holy text came in to being and that a dusty old text filled with contradiction and cryptic metaphors doesn`t have the same impact on a educated person today as compared to 1500 years ago when it hit the shelves and literacy was about as usual as motorized lawnmowers.
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Female 51
Why can`t people just agree to disagree and not fight over it? I have my own beliefs, and I am totally ok if other people have different beliefs, as long as they don`t try to force their beliefs on me or disrespect me just because i believe something different. All the name-calling and insults aren`t necessary. It is possible to have an intellectual debate without disrespecting each other (yes intellectual because a person isn`t stupid just because they don`t share your ideas). Unfortunately, some people just get way too defensive that they have to resort to insults and yelling. I give props to everyone who posted their answer on here without insulting or disrespecting other people`s beliefs. I also give props to those who have a sense of humor about it.
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Male 4,547
Korea:
Indeed, I`ve never seen a 12 page response to Pascal`s Wager... oh wait...yes I have, every time it comes up.

Megido:
Assuming even the most favorable calculations on a cosmic scale (ironically, the YEC view here is most favourable to you), God last gave his message to his creation 23 God-years ago.

Using biblical sources, God last gave his message to his creation 2 days ago.

Using cosmic sources, God last gave his message to his creation 21 minutes ago assuming Jesus was the last time he did so. 15 minutes ago if you assume Mohammed, and a few seconds ago if you take some of the most recent varieties.

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Female 145
You know what? I had a post here, but I didn`t want it to fan the flame war that much. Only look if you`re willing to argue with a level head. :)

[spoiler]Teddybear, I hope you know that Angels & Demons isn`t the greatest source for a religious argument. Good quote, too. Because it basically answers your question.
"Why was the devil allowed into the Garden of Eden if He knew that Adam and Eve were going to disobey?".
It`s the whole idea of free will, and think of it from a personal perspective: Honestly what would you like better, to be loved non-genuinely (like a gold digger)or to be loved willfully and genuinely? So by giving them choice, they must have been given the option of good or bad. They chose bad - it was their choice, not God`s.

k10josumm:
I realize Zeitgeist is a compelling video. However, most of their historians were either very poor, didn`t live around the time of Jesus, or were novelists. It`s not all that much of a credible source.[/spoiler]

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Male 439
Sorry i forgot to put citation marks around "evidence" just now :P
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Male 58
God isn`t real.
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Male 439
"Free will"
so then God is just a tremendous dick, that let`s his creation run around in the dark with only vague evidence of existence. What a lovely guy. If God means business i think it`s about time for the second coming or some poo. God doesn`t have much ground to stand on anymore, what with science actually accelerating and uncovering more and more mysteries.

Also the fact that we don`t know where the universe came from does not equal god exists, as per usual that just starts the infinite regress; then where did god come from?

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Female 3,727
You`re ridiculous and this whole conversation is ridiculous. All from some itty bitty dino! 12 PAGES...is this a record? Not of a video....not on an article....on a pic of a dinosaur and a question! Go figure! }-)

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Male 4,547
Also, I gotta say, I`m appreciating some of the shorter comments people have left. I did my typical "bla blah blah" full page rant to basically say what a lot of people have said in 4 words.

"Because he`s [freaking] God."

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Male 42
Because he`s freaking GOD.
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Male 4,547
I`d say that saying as you "HATE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE" and that me and Prime are "Religious people" at least some of your comments are headed our way, and I think it is more than reasonable for us to respond.

Similarly, I didn`t ask you to respond, I just called you names. Are you suggesting that when people insult you, you feel some sort of obligation to respond and/or defend yourself?

If only I had some parallel I could draw between what you did and what I... oh wait there it is!

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Male 567
There is no such thing as "religious debate" since faith can`t be debated/proved (thats thier handy out), its simply the difference between superstitous people and rational people. FSM FTW
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Male 144
Because it says in the Bible that one day to God could be a million years to man, so the whole axis equaling one day thing doesn`t apply.
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Male 4,547
Hello PTK.

I`m like MIB.

I am the best kept secret on the internet.
My mission to monitor unnecessary religious debate activity on the internet.
I am your best, last, and only line of defence.
I work in secret, I exist in shadow.

And I dress in just shorts, cos I`m usually at home with just the wife arou... cough. I mean in black...

*bum-ta**bum-ta**bum-ta**bum-ta* Whoooo!
Background vocals: Here comes Baal-tha-zaq.

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Female 3,727
My comments were not directed to you primetime!
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Male 7,933
"What did I contribute? My opinion...or is that NOT allowed these days? What did YOU contribute?"
"and you had to put your 2 cents"

"Also, why do you keep bringing up racism and the KKK?"
"And yes it may be bigoted, okay you can have that."

You answer your own questions

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Female 3,727
What did I contribute? My opinion...or is that NOT allowed these days? What did YOU contribute?
And yes it may be bigoted, okay you can have that. But I am basing my statement on my experiences that I have had for the 29 years I have been on this earth with religious people. My step-grandfather is a drating minister who is the f*uck*ing devil incarnate. I am not on this "fad" of denouncing god just for the hell of it! And if you have such an issue with me and my comments why the drat are you responding to them. YOU MY FRIEND, STARTING THIS BY RESPONDING TO MY COMMENTS. I didn`t say, "well Baalthazaq, please respond to my comments cause what you think is so drating important to me". "Can I be like you one day?" Nope, I gave my opinion and you had to put your 2 cents in about my comment. Also, why do you keep bringing up racism and the KKK? I am really done with this conversation because it drating grated on my nerves all day.
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Male 7,933
"@cazforshort Your religious right? Just because you are makes it pointless to argue with you sins your to stubborn to EVER admit he doesn`t exist. "
Ad hominem

"Science has been the most successful way of discovering truth ever invented"

Because science and religion are separate?John Paul on Science

"my theory is that god didnt create the universe get REAL!"
Ok so the universe came out of no where and we are all here just because....makes sense. *throws the Law of Conservation of Matter out the door*


And on a side note: Baalthazaq! Long time no see

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Male 7,933
"Besides, more ppl have died in the name of god then in any other war. Think about it, is religion even useful in any senario?.... (I`ll answer for you, NO)"

So you are basically saying if we all have the same belief the world would be better? You are a drating genius grasshopper. I vote for the Allied Atheist Alliance for the United Atheist League. And I`ll fight you for it.

"I mean like, why 6 days instead of say 10 or even 1. If its an unspecified amount of time then what would be the point in saying 6?"

7 Had a special meaning at that time.

"Honestly, what plausible reason could god have for not just coming down to earth, smiting all the draters in need of smiting then saving the remaining god-fearing people?"

Free will

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Male 7,933
"I disagree...and what world are you living in?"
A world where im sitting at home watching Golf on TV, typing a comment on IAB, drinking bottled water and waiting for my pizza to come. Life is drating beautiful

"I HATE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE. They have no tolerance for anything or anyone."
The comedic irony is making me giggle.

"Go convert some natives while your priests rape little boys."

You do realize that the majority of sex offenders are actually not Catholic priest and the only reason they get so much attention is because of added media coverage

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Male 4,547
My point Korea, is that your bigotry is no different to the bigotry racists have. No difference whatsoever, except that it is your prejudices instead of someone else`s.

You would be quick to denounce a racist comment, and even quick to denounce someone who attacked your worldview, but you don`t see your own prejudices, because attacking religion is currently politically correct, especially in places like IAB.

You don`t understand that it is bigotry.

You didn`t contribute anything to the debate, you merely stated your all caps hatred for another group of people based on their opinions, and furthermore stereotyped them.

Identical to any KKK justification about why their prejudices are acceptable. They`re not.

Incidentally, anyone arguing with my "sound in a vacuum" point, please notice it has a big freaking arrow pointing to it saying that it is retarded. The arrow may be relevant.

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Male 189
Seeing as how time is relative to gravity, and gravity is changing slowing time down, the first days could have lasted only minutes or hours.
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Female 53
Philosoraptor :`D
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Male 141
Why is there a philosophical dinosaur...?
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Male 1,072
my theory is that god didnt create the universe get REAL!
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Male 84
but he created day and night, its up to him how long he wanted to take with it
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Female 1,231
lol@ religious debate.

(For the sake of argument, I`m going to assume that the creation story is true. Not necessarily what I believe, but the question calls for it.)

Anyway, back then a day was an infinite yet infinitesimal amount of time. Well, since time hadn`t technically been invented yet either. What God probably did was split his work into six sections of indeterminate length, then put one section for rest, since even the Almighty deserves a break from humanity every now and then. We`d just call them "days," because that`s really the most important measure of time we had back then. There were two different types of "days" - God-days and Earth-days. Remember that God-days were both an infinite amount of time and an infinitely small amount of time, if they took any time at all. `Cause when it comes to the Lawrd, all kinds of crazy time paradoxes start poppin` up.

Either that or I`m drunk right now. XD

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Male 40
My guess is that the period of time defined as a `day` exsisted before that of the Earth, and God just made the Earth rotate in that amount of time because it`s easy like that...

Sorry if somebody offered this. Couldn`t be bothered to read through 11 pages of religious bull.

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Male 56
he`s not real

just throwing that one out there...

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Male 148
lol at epic religious debate v v
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Male 9
uhhh..... HES GOD
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Female 3,727
Long ago, man, in his ignorance, created gods to make sense of the world. Then, when that failed, man created science. Science has been the most successful way of discovering truth ever invented. For example, we no longer have to pray for the sick or exorcise demons - we heal with medicine. Science has, in every way, proven far more effective than religion.

God is no longer necessary, and I say good riddance.

Thank you and good night!!!

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Male 107
the answer is...... he asked chuck norris
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Female 3,727
not sure why you included it....but what is your point??? REALLY! what is your point?
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Female 3,727
Also, everything Lost in Korea said:
"I HATE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE" + "I try and accept people for who they are" "THEY ARE ALL Hypocrites!" + "They are so judgmental!"Seriously? Seriously now? It`s like no one reads what they write anymore. You`re not tolerant at all. You`re a judgmental, hypocritical, intolerant, liar. You couldn`t even get through a single POST without contradicting yourself multiple times and screaming about how you "HATE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE" all caps like some scruffy drunkard going "BLACKS GO BACK TO AFRICA" at the side of the road.
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Baalthazaq
REALLY....You can take a word here and word there but my basic message is that Christians and people of god are JUDGMENTAL! Plain and simple. I don`t randomply attack people for the hell of it or because what they are doing is not written in that "magic book". GIVE ME A dratING BREAK! And I have heard that last comment you wrote about blacks
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Female 82
God is just SUPER smart, lol.
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Male 328
somebody probably pointed this out already but..

god made the universe in a certain amount of time, we as earthlings define time in minutes, hours, days etc. if we lived on jupiter we would say god created the universe in 14 days. good try though (i am an atheist).

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Female 781
God is God, you can`t try and trap Him by human limitations!

I`m sick of anti-Bible theories that try to accuse God of fallacies. If God is real, it doesn`t matter what your conceptions of Him are--He would be more powerful and more omnipotent than you would be capable of understanding.

If He`s not real, than the Bible is full of crap because people are full of crap. What I`m saying is anything wrong with the Bible comes from people; involving God in your discussion makes absolutely no sense.

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Male 245
"flashfact, good aetheists are inherently more moral than good beleivers, we`re good for the sake of good, not to save ourselves or worm our way into an afterlife"

I`m not an atheist, but I don`t worry about the afterlife. I try to be good to everyone as much as I can, simply for the sake of being good. I believe there`s an afterlife, but even if there weren`t, I would live the same way I do today. I try to better this life, I`ll handle whatever else there is when it gets here.

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Male 256
Because HE created the day also and he knew beforehand how long he was going to make the day before he made it. it is kind of like you knowing what color you are going to paint your house before you paint it.
questions like this do not make God look bad they make you look like you didnt think about what you were going to ask.
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Female 2,695
WHY IS /b/ ON MY I-A-B this is where i come to cleanse my mind!
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Male 101
he used his dick
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Male 124
being good out of a fear of hell.......well theres an oxymoron how can you be truly selfless when the alternative is damnation

being good because of religious beleifs instead of just being a good person is like being forced to lie with a gun pointed at your head

flashfact, good aetheists are inherently more moral than good beleivers, we`re good for the sake of good, not to save ourselves or worm our way into an afterlife

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Male 31
an inch was the length of the king`s first knuckle of his pointer finger to his second knuckle. yeah, i`m a smart ass.
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Male 260
@ ohplease: your the man :)"You need to just realize you should be good for the sake of good"
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Male 260
Also you cant even make the tiniest of jokes here or there will be some idiot who takes it as real and starts calling you out on it. Lighten up ppl. If you get this upset for some one els his believes/opinion why the f*ck should we respect yours?
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Male 134
Before the ruler was invented, how did we know how long an inch was?


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Male 260
@cazforshort Your religious right? Just because you are makes it pointless to argue with you sins your to stubborn to EVER admit he doesn`t exist. But for the fun of it, here we go.
1. Question is solved: It was just a answer. I don`t believe in god so the fact that he made the world is bs for me.
2. The war thing: You only counted war`s for political reasons you didn`t count on terrorist attacks etc. But even then, i said WAR, not WARS. So I`m still right. (your ref to a disease has nothing to do with what i said)
3. Religion is bad: I said your a sad excuse for a human, i didn`t say your not A human. And religion doesn`t save lives, ppl do. Even without it ppl would still be saved. And if you need religion for hoop. Again, understandable but still sad. And you look forward to a life after death, what ever is after death is not by any means a religious belive. You could just become energy or what ever. Also religion has ben there since BC because no one had a explanation for
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Male 567
Ok does any rational being really believe in the
"Old man in the sky"? OHPLEASE! You need to just realize you should be good for the sake of good, not because you fear some post death retribution. Don`t worship GOD, worship GOOD. What kind of cheesy god would require our adulation?
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Male 4,807
The-Sentinel
Male, 13-17, Europe
666 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:43:35 AM
"Dur, because god is all-knowing of course...
it is a good question, which leads me to believe the bible might not have meant it literally.
Still, I don`t believe in it so :/ "

~ 666 posts. WOW . good timing Sentinal

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Male 439
cazforshort:

https://www.afresearch.org/skins/rims/q_mod_be0e99f3-fc56-4ccb-8dfe-670c0822a153/q_act_downloadpaper/q_obj_2a060d6f-fbf5-41e6-afa2-48faed3a61d9/display.aspx?rs=enginespage

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Male 1,148
Dur, because god is all-knowing of course...

it is a good question, which leads me to believe the bible might not have meant it literally.

Still, I don`t believe in it so :/

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Male 439
"That`s the best question atheism has? Very sad. FAIL for atheism."

How about answering the questions then, rather than some artard semantics about how FAIL it is to be able to actually criticizes what you read and hear.

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Male 12
"War is seldom initiated because of religion directly, but is often used as a motivator and an excuse.
"
How would you know that. How would you know that a war would have a hidden reason of being fought. War being a motivator and a reason for fighting other countries with differnt religions or ,hundreds of centuries ago, regions of a country? It would be impossible for somthing like that to happen. Even the Cristian crusades were out in the open.
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Male 138
here is a deal for any of you who are seriously interested. I will do my best to answer any question about the christian faith, via email. all i ask is an open mind and a willingness to discuss matters rationally. check my profile for my email.
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Male 172
That`s the best question atheism has? Very sad. FAIL for atheism.
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Male 12
Darkhawk is 100% wrong.
"Now that that question is solved." That doesnt solve anything. You can find hundreds of other explanations in the comments for this post let alone the internet.
"Religion is BAD, any kind of religion." This is is total ignorance of other peoples beliefs. Religion not only saves lives and gives hope, it also gives somthing to look forward to.
"If you need some inviable person to tell you what`s right and wrong and how to live your a sad excuse for a human." First of all nonreligious humans only make up about 16% of the world so saying that the rest of it is not human is ridiculous. Most religions allow choice anyway. Some are more strict than others. Religion is not inviable concidering that most have been around B.C. Fighting through the rise and fall of a plethora of civilizations.
"Besides, more ppl have died in the name of god then in any other war." More people die from Ischemic heart disease then anythin
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Male 439
"More wars(+deaths) were for border disputes."

War is seldom initiated because of religion directly, but is often used as a motivator and an excuse.

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Male 12
HERE IS WHERE I GOT THE INFO FOR THE WARS
More wars(+deaths) were for border disputes.

"I`m 100% Atheist, but logically the earth would be going at the same speed as gods time table. So one day in heaven (if it would be real) is the same as one day on earth. If you create life wouldn`t you want it to be awake at the same time you are :p. (And just delegate for the other half that is awake when you sleep ^^)" this is just stupid. As far as the whole time thing, I dont see why a God couldnt create the world in one day so why would it be strange for him to wait for it to rotate. Hey it might have somthing to do with layers. We realy dont know why and It doesnt mater what you say to disprove it because you cant say for sure. You dont know God or how He works.

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Male 439
And here`s another brain teaser for all you religious types: why, if he exists, is god such a cryptic SOB? What`s with prophets and books? Why did angels come and talk to people all the time while the bible was written but not anymore? Why hasn`t there been a bible 3.0 if it was seen fit to update previously? And how the feck could a book written by a perfect being not be perfect (old testament)? Also, how come a god that created all of humanity has a chosen people? What freaking point does that serve other than alienating everyone else?

Honestly, what plausible reason could god have for not just coming down to earth, smiting all the draters in need of smiting then saving the remaining god-fearing people?

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Male 99
God said let there be light......then the next day he created the sun and the moon.
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Female 171
"Sounds more lie a theologian`s way to dodge the question if you ask me. Also one would have to ask why god would, through his prophets, phrase it in such a way."

Exactly.
I mean like, why 6 days instead of say 10 or even 1. If its an unspecified amount of time then what would be the point in saying 6?

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Male 439
"i`ve studied, philosophy, i can answer this easy peasy =]

due to god`s transcendency, he is not subject to our rules of time

thus, a "day" could just be an unspecific period of time, not the literal 24 hours "

Sounds more lie a theologian`s way to dodge the question if you ask me. Also one would have to ask why god would, through his prophets, phrase it in such a way.

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Female 357
i`ve studied, philosophy, i can answer this easy peasy =]

due to god`s transcendency, he is not subject to our rules of time

thus, a "day" could just be an unspecific period of time, not the literal 24 hours

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Male 188
To my knowledge there is no "Fact" section in Borders. I have only ever seen the Bible in the Religion section which makes perfect sense as it is a Book that is the foundation for a Religion.
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Female 171
ALSO days have different values on different planets.

Just thought of it. haha

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Male 511
one thing i wanna konow is...why isnt the bible in the sci-fi/fantasy section of waterstones or borders?

its in the "fact" section. yet it was written 1800 years ago but celibate wine guzzling jesus freaks.

yet salman rushtie (??) satanic verses is in the fiction bit....isnt it basically teh same thing. a crackpot wrote a book, other religions hate and is revered by some but mostly not by the rest of the world?

and dont bash my view aside as y`all be hypocritical as im not bashing yours out the way, i just choose not to believe in a "being" that made a planet in </= 7 days.

what the other planets? what about the cavmen? if we were made in "his" image, shouldnt i be black, jewish and have massive breasts about now?

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Male 188
And you are obviously completely ignorant of modern philosophy. Otherwise, you would know that a natural negative is impossible to prove and defending one is lunacy. There is no greater example of a natural negative than atheism. If you insist on pretending to be smart, at least say you`re agnostic. That should fit well with your priggish douchebaggery.
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Male 188
The word is spelled i-n-v-i-s-i-b-l-e. Unless you`re saying that God is incapable of sustaining His own life. So either learn how to spell or back up your outlandish claims about this "imaginary God that can`t sustain His own life." Either way you`re retarded.
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Male 10,339
Not my priest. I`m not catholic.
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Male 511
surely the ultimate answer to this is "because" ?
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Male 260
Now that that question is solved. Religion is BAD, any kind of religion. If you need some inviable person to tell you what`s right and wrong and how to live your a sad excuse for a human. Besides, more ppl have died in the name of god then in any other war. Think about it, is religion even useful in any senario?.... (I`ll answer for you, NO)
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Male 260
I`m 100% Atheist, but logically the earth would be going at the same speed as gods time table. So one day in heaven (if it would be real) is the same as one day on earth. If you create life wouldn`t you want it to be awake at the same time you are :p. (And just delegate for the other half that is awake when you sleep ^^)
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Male 136
If I respect people`s belief in the invisible magic sky god then my belief that I am a teapot deserves equal respect.
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Female 528
auburnjunky: why would they have no right to?
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Male 271
auburnjunky Just because someone does not believe your version of "god" does not mean they have no faith.

Go convert some natives while your priests rape little boys.

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Male 271
created by man to control sheep like you. Bibles are not free they cost you the only thing god did give you "FREE WILL".
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Male 60
God didn`t necessarily mean to create the Earth in exactly 6 days. It just happened to take that long.
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Male 14
God knew exactly how long a day was and gave the Earth the right spin. That proves that he`s real, exactly like his son, Raptor Jesus.
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Male 10,339
Why do people with no faith feel the need to chime in during discussions of faith?
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Male 13
The ability for people to defend something by saying "no no no, it REALLY means this," is an interesting one.
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Male 10,440
If you read between the lines of the bible, it CLEARLY says "rofl pwnd y0 Ima hAx0r"
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Female 683
if he just said let there be light and there was why didnt he say "let there be drating everything"?

...cause that would make it too goddamn easy.


and YOU, LordSameth.... you are presently my hero of the day.

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Male 35
i think the bigger question here is why the thoughtful dinosaur?

nah, this one`s too tricky for me. imo God doesn`t know how long a day is because God is an invented concept, made to fill an unnecessary void created by mankind.

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Male 149
He checked his swatch watch...
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Male 4,867
he knows coz i told him
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Male 10,339
Because we have no concept of how long a day is to God. When Moses wrote Genesis, he said day to make it easier for the humans of the time to conceptualize the creation. A day for God could be a day, or a decade, or a millenia, or even 100 millenia (that would explain dinosaurs wouldn`t it?)
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Male 625
if he just said let there be light and there was why didnt he say "let there be drating everything"?
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Male 383
i think the same thing hayllee.
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Female 459
`Cause he`s God, that`s why. :P

Hehe, I know it is way more logical to say it all happend by science, but really, I don`t see how the earth and everything on it was created randomly. I feel God was the big bang if that makes any sense. :P

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Male 525
And God declared Himself to be an Atheist, which really screwed things up.
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Male 438
real answer: people who didn`t understand how the phase of the solar system worked wrote a book and revealed that they are idiots who are poor liars by modern standards by corrupting their history of creation with their concept of the day when the day is not an importan measure of time to anything yet they made it a paramount one.
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Male 37
"It`s called the big bang, but as we all know there is no sound in a vacuum"

Btw. There is sound in space, only not audible to humans. Space is not a pure vacuum, so there is sound.
But then again, making an argument like that tells alot.

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Female 35
Like Lionhart said, which is a quote from the Bible.

Either way, I believe God was behind it all, no matter what happened. I`ve experienced too many miracles to deny it.

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Male 29
Answer 3
The answer is 42. God created the Universe in 6 days and rested on the 7th. Therefore 6x7=42. This is for all you Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy fans out there lol. Please note I have never read any of the books, I just remember it being on TV in the UK when I was a kid.
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Male 29
As far as the poster is concerned there are 2 basic answers, both answers start with the basic premise that God or a greater being must exist.

Answer 1
A day in God`s life is not the same as a day on earth for example 1 of God`s days may be equal to 1000 of our years. Therefore when God created the Universe it took him 6 of His days to create but that may be equal to 6000 of our years. I hope this makes sense. I am not going to get into the whole space-time continuum thing.

Answer 2
When God created the universe He may have structured the way the solar system interacts to coincide with 1 of His days. Therefore 24 hours in His world is the same as 24 hours in our world.

Thus if you Believe in God then you must believe there is a heaven or a hell. etc. etc.

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Male 29
I have been on this earth long enough to understand that there are no true answers to any questions. Just when you think you have learned one thing there is always something around the corner that may change the answer. Also when you are much younger you may think that you are indestructable and will live forever and you may favor science, but when you get older you may learn that there are no true answers and will then be more into religion and faith. Please note these are only generalisations and may not apply to all people.

I am not going to get into a Religious flame war, as it is pointless. Because everyone believes their faith or non belief to be the truth, based on their own perceptions, that of their peers, or other peoples` perceptions forced upon them.

My favourite beliefs are:
1. we are all just sprites in the computer game of life :-)
2. was it Bill Hicks or The Beatles that said we are all one conciousness experiencing ourself within itself?

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Male 4
I love philosiraptor.
And Courage Wolf.
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Male 13,624
He took a educated guess, because he could
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Male 4,547
*(Incidentally 12 other definitions in English, not counting Hebrew, Latin or Aramaic, and not counting either of the biblical definitions from Peter 3:8 or Genesis 1).

You want to feel superior, but you are demonstrating astounding ignorance.

Also, everything Lost in Korea said:
"I HATE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE" + "I try and accept people for who they are"
"THEY ARE ALL Hypocrites!" + "They are so judgmental!"

Seriously? Seriously now? It`s like no one reads what they write anymore. You`re not tolerant at all. You`re a judgmental, hypocritical, intolerant, liar. You couldn`t even get through a single POST without contradicting yourself multiple times and screaming about how you "HATE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE" all caps like some scruffy drunkard going "BLACKS GO BACK TO AFRICA" at the side of the road.

Antitheism, the politically correct intolerance.

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Male 4,547
Even taking this at a preschool level: You mean how did the all knowing being that can see into the future know how quickly the planet *he was creating* was going to rotate?

I can`t imagine anyone so stupid that they couldn`t come up with one of the many easy answers to the question, although then again, I didn`t think anyone was around, stupid enough to use it as an argument. Not only that, you`re cheating. You`re talking about a "Solar Day" as if it is the only definition of day, when really there are 12 others. You`re just antagonizing, you`re not contributing.

"It`s called the big bang, but as we all know there is no sound in a vacuum" <-- Seriously. The argument is that retarded.

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Male 467
It`s religion, you can`t explain/proove it with logic, sense of reality or anything.. Although you can make a bunch of money from scamming people in the name of "Jesus", "God" or whoever you want to use. Now THAT would be awesome.
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Female 103
He must of figured that 6 days sounded much more impressive then "And God created the earth.... well, however long it took!".
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Female 88
Pookie666 is right, i never thought of the suna s a god, but he made a very good statement fairly quickly.
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Male 171
There`s nothing you can really say about this that the religious folk aren`t going to have a reply for. The bible is a made up fairy tale... so it`s not really tough to come up with something like "because god says it was like that.." or whatever
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Male 78
or the real answer, This "god" the church talks about doesnt exist. our god is the Sun, bringer of light, giver of life, grower of food, provider of heat.

the incans had it right

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Male 713
"He`s GOD...therefore omnipotent...a trivial thing like that would just about be inconsequential to him..."

Im another omnipotent god, and a trivial thing such as "I`m a liar" is inconsequential to myself.

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Male 170
picked a random number
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Male 2,172
It does not clearly stipulate that the 6 days were earth days. You people and your assumptions.
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Female 8
He`s GOD...therefore omnipotent...a trivial thing like that would just about be inconsequential to him...
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Male 37
The answer would be that God also created the days. (he let the earth rotate in one of his days)
But then again, the earth is slowing down in its rotation... uhoh.
The Flying spaghetti monster just created the earth.
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Male 1,929
This doesn`t stimulate me in the slightest. Its a silly, inconcequencial notion about something in the bible. Boo
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Female 3,727
wow..TKD Master had much coffee today? lol
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Male 1,540
Ugh. Okay, I`m not religious but perhaps the person writing the bible described the amount of time it took God to do something using terminology that he could comprehend. It didn`t matter if he had said 144 hours or whatever. After all, the bible was written after the earth was created. It`s like when describing a lost civilization, and you use your own terminology for the things they did, not their terminology.
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Male 137
Imagine heaven, seriously. Stuck for eternity with these f`king christian non-nice individuals. I`ll take oblivion, kthx.
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Male 4,793
VVV those are my views.
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Male 4,793
and also, i know im a good person, if heaven and god do all exist, and they dont let me in heaven solely because i do not believe in god, then i dont even want to go to heaven because i`d be in a terrible place.
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Male 4,793
"GOD DOESN`T EXIST."

im with that guy, if he does exist, i dont like him and want nothing to do with him. he is no better than a king/pharao/monarch/emperor that says `if you defy me i will kill you. because god does indeed say that. and any being that can create something as terrible as hell, i want nothing to do with them.

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Male 161
Lol at the Christ`s Sake. Well he IS all knowing and well I think he could make a day whatever he wanted so theres your answer.
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Male 4,793
and to continue, in the movie x-men wolverine, the old guy says `do you know what happens to a man that goes looking for blood?` wolverine: `what` old man: `he finds it.`

point being, people see what they want to see.

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Female 1,436
My answer prior to looking over the pages of comments I KNOW are attached to this one:

GOD DOESN`T EXIST.

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Male 4,793
"Thats not realism, thats pessimism. I`m a realist, and I`ve found out there is probably more good than bad. It`s easier to find every day good than there is everyday bad. And thats without sugar coating anything"

thats half right, primetime, i think its mroe accurate to say, a man sees what he wants to see. if you are looking for everyday good, your going to see it and not notice the bad as much, if your looking for the bad, your going to see it and not so much the good.

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Female 3,727
I disagree...and what world are you living in? I`ll buy a one way ticket there. I don`t think the MAJORITY of people are good. They will try and get away with as much as they can. They cheat, lie and steal. (more so "christians")....and before the throwing of the stones begin...I was raised in church too! I went to many different churches to "find my way" but you know what? THEY ARE ALL Hypocrites! I HATE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE. They have no tolerance for anything or anyone. Any one that goes against the grain and or questions anything are heathens. That`s not right! I try and accept people for who they are....whether they are gay, different race, culture ( and I am pretty much an atheist) but religious people DO NOT. They are so judgmental! Why is that?
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Male 134
wow,

Remember that time you posted something JUST to start a religious flamewar?

Cause that just happened

Grow up, I-A-B

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Male 2,582
OH FOR
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Male 7,933
" For all the other realist like me, we know that this is pretty much it. The wars, the strife, poverty, inhumanity & so forth and so on"

Thats not realism, thats pessimism. I`m a realist, and I`ve found out there is probably more good than bad. It`s easier to find every day good than there is everyday bad. And thats without sugar coating anything

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Female 3,727
And also why is it when ANYONE disagree with the MAJORITY they are trolling?

Mob mentality here...shame on you IAB!

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Female 20
he had a V8 and thunk ahead.
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Female 3,727
OMG..this was added yesterday and there are already 7 pages? Hmmmm...Here`s my 5 pennies on the subject...
"God" makes people feel good,knowing that there is a place called "Heaven" where everyone has wings and play harps all day....that makes people feel good; like they have something to look forward to. If that is good for you then by all means go ahead. For all the other realist like me, we know that this is pretty much it. The wars, the strife, poverty, inhumanity & so forth and so on. In our world, God is a fairytale. I wish there were someone "up there" to answer prayers and cure diseases and not make our loved ones die but its not. Unfortunately, we are on our own. When we die, it`s OVER. We go in the ground or get cremated and that`s the end. Going back and forth about God and Jesus and how long a day and all that pointless poo is just that....POINTLESS! Good Day Everyone!
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Male 1,265
The problems start when trying to explain where the singularity came from. Let`s make an assumption as an example. Assume that the singularity was the end of a previous universe that couldn`t sustain its size and collapsed back on itself, rather like a black hole. All matter in this universe was converted to energy which, as far as we know, doesn`t keep a record of what it used to be. It`s not as if we can observe the heat from a star and calculate that it used to be part of a planet from an earlier universe.

Putting it simply, the universe started as a completely blank canvas and, at present, we simply can`t explain where it came from. All we know is, the universe didn`t come from nothing.

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Male 243
can be build a door that he himself cannot open.
can he beat chuck norris in a fight?

WHO KNOWS

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Male 1,265
"Answer this question in the gases they came together to create the Big Bang came from where?"

Gases?

If you think the Big Bang was a gas explosion, you`re way off. BBTheory simply states that the universe was much, much smaller than it is now. Originally all matter was energy, compacted into the tiniest possible speck of existence called a singularity. The universe did not come from nothing, nor was it an explosion of a minuscule dot in the empty blackness of space. There was no space, no blackness, no void into which the singularity could explode. It`s just that the universe was smaller and got bigger.

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Male 2,125
I agree with nido. I doubt they will listen though. They`re too busy trying to make the other person believe what they believe. It`s just not gonna happen.
You should do what some parents do to their kids. Let them run around and enjoy the time they`re having. Sooner or later they`ll get tired and call it a day.
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Male 2,125
"> wickedsngr
> I don`t know any outdoor games that can be played at 1:30am
OMG you`re 18-29 and you`ve never heard of Panty Raids or Spray Paint?"

Or streaking, or T-Ping, or robbing banks, or murdering prostituts, or... I mean, what?
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Drive-by, hit-and-run, mass murder.... too much?

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Male 9,306
I mean, everyone has the right to believe exactly what they want to believe, but it`s a whole new ballgame when you start chastising and namecalling people who don`t share YOUR belief.

I mean, who knows, the entire idea of existence could have fallen out of a vortex in some space alien`s anus for all we know, but the moment you start calling that person an idiot for believing it, is when you`ve lost ALL your credibility.

It is a way to explain who we are and where we come from, but for effing sake, don`t FIGHT over it. There`s a lot more important things you could be doing...like creating something to inspire someone else, or FINDING FUN AND UNUSUAL CONTENT FOR A LINK-BASED WEBSITE, or drawing a picture...

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Female 344
simple he`s god he can do anything
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Female 51
Humans created time as a way to communicate and understand nature and life as they live it. Humans wrote the Bible after they decided how to measure time. Let`s say it is true that some things in the Bible were messages from God. It is possible that as God was creating the earth, he had his own definition or sense of time that was not the same as humans. To him it may have been 6 days, but to humans it may have been billions of years.

Here`s a silly thought that actually kinda makes some sense: Maybe the Big Bang that created the universe was God farting. ^_^

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Female 457
Ok, ok... I don`t know of any outdoor games that we can play at 1:30am (now 2:30), that I have felt comfortable playing since I was 18! :P
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Male 5,190
"Answer this question in the gases they came together to create the Big Bang came from where?"

And God came from? Lemme guess he`s always been there?

Like I said either way both come from nothing. If God created the big bang where did he come from? Nothing.

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Male 7,933
"Nidonemo...thank you. im christian, and your post hints otherwise...but either way...thats probably the most intelligent post i`ve read on this site. kudos to you."

You obviously havent read my post. I are genious

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Male 8,302
Sorry Nidonemo, we`re having too much fun at the stoning to be stopped by reason!

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Female 15,763
"> wickedsngr
> I don`t know any outdoor games that can be played at 1:30am
OMG you`re 18-29 and you`ve never heard of Panty Raids or Spray Paint?"

Or streaking, or T-Ping, or robbing banks, or murdering prostituts, or... I mean, what?

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Male 1,226
Philosoraptor. you don`t know it? Damn...Well, it`s a sort of spin-off from advice dog. Normally, the joke is that he just asks impossible questions, while that might be mistaken for real philosophy.
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Male 9,306
Online games like the ones on Facebook, wicked. Or Second Life, they have stuff on there I hear too.

As for "they", good point, ya got me. I retract that.

(Sure, you`ll let them argue over the stupid creation bullcrap but does my Betty Bowers link make the cut? Nooooo. Who deleted that?)

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Male 29
Because you take the Bible literally, and that means our 24 hour days...
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Male 26
hm. dinosaurs are delicious... but... All we know is that we are conscious, because...well aren`t we? There is enough evidence and recreation of the result showing that the "big bang" occurred regardless of what came before or why. But from that "bang" the universe was born, and the universe mixed all its universey stuff together and life happened, and with that life came consciousness...obviously consciousness is the universe`s way of acknowledging its own existence. So the universe is capable of knowing itself, just as each individual life form is born, grown, and conscious of its own being. So I`m typing all this just in case you have overlooked the obvious... make of it what you will...
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Male 561
He looked at his watch...........geeze, do I have to explain everything?
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Male 8,302
> wickedsngr
> I don`t know any outdoor games that can be played at 1:30am

OMG you`re 18-29 and you`ve never heard of Panty Raids or Spray Paint?

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Male 3,756
That`s a very good point Clorow.

Good answer nzfk.

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Male 86
No! Evil ONEism! Every 24-hour rotation of the earth contains four days, for each corner of the earth!

lol, time cubes

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Male 138
Nidonemo...thank you. im christian, and your post hints otherwise...but either way...thats probably the most intelligent post i`ve read on this site. kudos to you.
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Male 29
That`s easy... he Googled it!
Everyone knows that`s where all the answers are
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Male 3,612
wickedsngr: nice try but not even close.
That`s just talking about how to get into the Judeo-Christian heaven. Remember other religions there a way leads to a different place. I.e. Valhalla, the happy hunting grounds, or the Divine treasury.
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Female 457
@ Nidonemo:

"Why don`t we just go outside and play a game or something?"

I`d love to, but I don`t know any outdoor games that can be played at 1:30am? Suggestions?

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Male 3,612
>>Nidonemo: So why are we fighting again?<<
We are arguing because we are BOARD!
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Male 3,756
"I hear they`re told that anything outside of the bible is a lie"

Who are they, exactly?

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Male 18
he could have just measured the time by using days, but just measuring after he made earth. i guess =/
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Male 138
one million? wow. i`ll settle for one. go for it.
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Male 384
Anyway if "God" created the Universe, then WHO WAS PHONE?
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Male 9,306
I kind of find it funny how people can look at a text that has been pushed through so many content filters, torn apart and re-pieced, mistranslated, intentionally edited, and then say it`s the unquestionable word of God.

I hear they`re told that anything outside of the bible is a lie and the people that say anything outside of the bible are trying to make them turn to sin or something to that effect.

I mean...if you wanted to control millions of people, wouldn`t you do so with something like that? Something they have no way of proving or disproving? Something that they can only "have faith" with?

But then...if you want to believe science, that`s okay too. I`m pretty sure either side can`t really be proven, as it is, both sides of a creation theory.

So why are we fighting again? Over what MAY have happened to bring us all about?

Does it really matter at this point?

Life`s too short for bullsh*t. Why don`t we just go outside and play a game or something?

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Female 457
I reeeeally don`t want to get caught up in this now, as I am very tired. But I thought I needed to reply to this one thing:
"I can go on like this all day long the Bible makes many references to other gods. What you won`t find in the Bible is any reference saying "The one true God" if there is show me"

John 14:6 And Jesus said unto him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes unto the Father EXCEPT through me.

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Male 3,612
DIETY:Let`s talk about your scientific proof.and
the Big Bang theory is as much of a fable as any other religious book.
Answer this question in the gases they came together to create the Big Bang came from where?
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Male 196
None of you are actually answering the question, you`re just getting offended because religion has been disproven by science a million different ways.
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Male 3,612
For all of you who were arguing who is the one true God? Let`s look at the king`s James Bible.
Book of Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in OUR image, after OUR and likeness..
2 Chronicles 25:14 gods of the children of Seir, and set them up to be his gods.
Exodus 18:11 Now I know that the LORD is greater than all gods

I can go on like this all day long the Bible makes many references to other gods. What you won`t find in the Bible is any reference saying "The one true God" if there is show me

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Female 457
Sadly, Bremir... people are still killing each other over who`s religion is right.

I think ignorance on everyone`s part is completely stupid. If you don`t agree with someone, fine. That is your prerogative. But I think Penn (as in Penn and Teller) put it best in a blog he recently posted on YouTube. He said something to the effect of " If you were standing in the middle of the street and I knew that there was a bus speeding straight towards you, I would tell you about it even if you didn`t believe me. If you truly believe that there is a God, and that there is the possibility that someone might be going to hell for not believing in Him, I think you should proselytize whenever and to whomever you can. If you believe that God exists, how much do you have to hate someone, NOT to proselytize?"

I just can`t stand people on both sides getting all pissy at each other.

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Male 384
oh and btw, what`s god
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Male 8,302
One of these days I`m gonna put a post up called "Gay Photoshopped Republican God" - no picture, no video, no description or text - just to see how many comments it gets!
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Female 61
i dunno bout you people, but i just think that raptor is cute. =P
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Male 384
God, because "he/it" exists.
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Male 3,612
This is right up there with the old "could God create a rock that is so big even he cannot lift it?"
Again an easy answer yes. You carry a rock so big it`s called the planet. You can only build this in space for us there`s nothing to lift off of. duh
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Male 108
hmm well in a day you have one day time and one night time.
soo.. basically you could say god created the earth in 6 daytimes and 6 nighttimes? but that`s just too redundant.
It`s not THAT hard to figure out how long a day should be. just gotta look outside.
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Male 488
im not defending god or the bible or anything but im just saying the whole "6 days" thing means the EQUIVALENT of 6 day`s time
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Male 392
britt566 - Eh, everyone has the right to be here whether they believe or not. Personally I don`t see this as an actual question for debate. I felt there was a hint of sarcasm, especially due to the image itself.

Funny, nearly a thousand years ago people were killing each other debating whose religion was "correct". Now people sit behind computer screens and whinge when someone doesn`t agree with their beliefs.

Great we aren`t killing each other over it, but after hundreds of years of blood shed you`d think people would learn.

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Male 3,756
God never knew, or needed to know, how long a day was. The whole concept of a day was created later.

See, God never said "I created the Earth in 6 days". Later, people concluded that he did.

Is this a real riddle or some passive-aggressive anti-Christian thing?

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Male 160
The Hebrew word that translates to day in the bible means a period of time. The bible says that god created the universe in 6 periods of time.

Still the bible is inconsistent and non-scientific.

Yeay i get to go to heaven =)
...oh wait

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Male 26
Because chuck norris showed up riding a metorite like a horse and told him how it was going to be. Everyone knows that.

"In the beginning, Chuck Norris round house kicked god, to whicheth he layed out cold for six days, and once awoketh, though it had been only one day, because time travels 6 times faster at the end of Chuck Norrises boot. Chuck Norris had left soon after the beating of god, in seek of a more challenging fight."

Thats just fact right there, its in the bible guys, come on.

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Male 207
What`s that? ignorant raptor hyper-critical of Christianity? thought so.
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Male 6
ill just cheat off of everyone else so i guess i get in XD
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Male 287
Eh, there are better arguments. As an Atheist, I can answer with something to the effect of "God invented the day, so he always knew what a day was, and created the earth`s rotation to fit those standards of a day." That`s ignoring the fact that 90% of christians don`t believe in the literal interpretation of genesis. So, Yeah. Whatever.
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Male 1
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters. Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and morning, one day." Genesis 1: 1-5

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Therefore, before everything else was created there was at least an earth. Because there was an earth, there could be a rotation of the earth and thus the days are defined.

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Male 54
it had something to do with hebrew context but I forgot =/
But "day" could of meant any period of time supposedly, anywhere from seconds to millenniums
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Female 48
Ha.. hahaha. Did people really take that seriously?
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Male 392
-cough- Well, he decided what a day was, DUHHH
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Male 431
ateddybear, look up deism, i think thats what its called. god created the world, and then sat back and watched as it changed and grew and evolved. he wanted things to occur without his influence, so to speak. for man to make their OWN decisions and to be completely uninfluenced. maybe thats why everyone in this damn forum has their own ideas o_O
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Female 2,289
Oh and by the way. Out of ALL of the questions about god... why this one?
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Male 3,612
he`s God, he can see the future. duh
not to mention it`s a very simple math question.
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Male 431
and yes for the record this is just a joke. the answer takes away the joke. its not supposed to have an answer, just to confuse people. like me lol
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Male 13
If free will is the case then the whole garden of eden was pointless we didn`t need it at all god knew before hand it didn`t work if he wanted to have free will all he had to do was put us in to the post-garden of eden world, it like he telling. The garden of eden is sounds like a big f-you to the human race, the resulted the poor treatment of women for thousands of years becasue it was eve that ate the apple.
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Male 431
personally, i am currently nonreligious. ex-christian. for the simple fact that churches and religion are all biased, inaccurate, and simply ignorant. its not god i think isnt right, or the idea of god, but the fact that churches and religions warp the ideas and concepts to fit their own opinions and ideals. religion came about because man wanted to believe in something, and needed something to explain the unexplainable. ill bet anything that as we learn more and more, less and less explanation will be needed, leaving less religions people. the ONLY "religion" that has grown consistently over the past decade has been atheism. that tells you something....
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Female 2,289
If you don`t believe in god, then leave this forum. There is no reason for you to be here.

Cause we get it... you don`t believe.. and you`ll give your scientific reasons of why he is not real.

We have been through this before, but now that we are on the subject of GOD, there is no reason for your reasons of why he is not real.

The question was about god. Not about if he is real.

I`m hungry for chocolate.

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Male 617
first of all, to all the psycho-babble here, nobody wants to read that. second, i COULD get all serious and quote where it says in the bible that God`s time is not our time, but that would take away from the joke.

kinda like you did, mr. teddybear-whatever. spellcheck man. drat you.

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Female 870
blah.
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Male 123
he just decided it, end of story
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Male 431
teddybear that is a natural response. why doesnt god just make everyone go to heaven and all that. if he can do anything then that should be easy. however, the bible says, well at least preachers ive heard, say that god wants man to have free will. he wants us to WANT to love him and do the right things, for him :) although you should do whats right for yourself, not just for god.
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Male 308
Well ateddybear.. he wanted us to choose, whether to live in happiness or doomed. it was a test. to see if we could. although this is confusing in itself. like my pastor says "the only way we will know for sure is when we ask god himself in heaven"
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Male 13
and suffering to enter the world which allowing pain and suffering if one could easily prevent it with out any cost to ones self is just as bad as being the one cau"sing the pain and suffering. So if God by not preventing the devil from entering the gardern is bad and by definition god can`t be bad then god is either a lieing manipulative bastard or God does not exist you dicide.
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Male 431
as many before have said. the bible is a translation. GOD DID NOT WRITE THE BIBLE. therefore he cannot be accountable for its mistakes. if you saw/read angels and demons you would have heard perhaps the most brilliant quote of the work: that religion/god is not flawed, but that MAN is flawed. all man. creating flaws in religion. and could someone please point out to me what the difference is between a cult and religion, besides size?
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Male 13
The simple answer is their is no such thing as God or at least no such thing as god as described in our worlds many relgions.
The answer that best goes along with the judeo-christan relgions that I read hear is that God knows all that has happend and all that will ever be he is all knowing but if God exist and is all know then it dose not make sense that he would have allowed the devil into the garden of eden or to interact with humans in any way shape or form, becasue he created man in his image to live happily in the garden of eden or so says genisis. But if man was inteded to live in the garden of eden and God knows all that will happen then why would he allow the devil to enter that garden which resulted in man being kicked from that garden of eden, so god created the garden of eden knowing that man would be kicked from it, know that it would result in all the pain and suffering that humans faced sience then. So by not preevented the devil from entering the garden he allowed pa
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Male 740
this is garbage
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Male 76
thats what i said Djer.

Lets go ask God to find out