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  1. Profile photo of GothicQueen
    GothicQueen Male 13-17
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    May 9, 2009 at 11:05 am
    Link: Student May Be Suspended for Going To Prom - A christian school has threatened the student with suspension if he goes to his girlfriends prom at a public school.
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    Ghostofme16 Female 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 3:07 pm
    84 students?
    wow
    More like a cult school or something...
    School rules = school rules

    not life rules

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    skine Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 3:13 pm
    "A student at a fundamentalist Baptist school that forbids dancing, rock music, hand-holding and kissing will be suspended if he takes his girlfriend to her public high school prom, his principal said."

    What is this, Footloose?

    But yeah, the student (or his parents as is more likely) chose the school knowing full well of the restrictions. If they disagree with the restrictions that they agreed to, it`s their own fault.

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    skullcandy Female 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 3:14 pm
    I left my christian school for the same reason.
    My friend wore a shirt that said "all you need is love" and they told her she had to change because it was a beatles quote.

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    That_dude Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 3:15 pm
    this is why im atheist, religion tries to control your life, screw that. I dont want some inbred cosmic jewish zombie commanding me how to live my life, with the threat of eternal damnation for breaking any of his rules. I want to live my life the way i want, and if some of you religious types dont like that, so what?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    May 9, 2009 at 3:19 pm
    I agree with the father, What happens outside of their school`s grounds is none of their business.

    I`d take her anyway, Screw`em.

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    GlooStikk Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 3:20 pm
    kids need boundaries, this will build character in his future. besides, who knows, if he dances with her, he may jizz a little into his pocket. then he`d be a murderer.
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    NOCASH Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 3:20 pm
    "The handbook for the 84-student Christian school says rock music "is part of the counterculture which seeks to implant seeds of rebellion in young people`s hearts and minds.""

    Devil Music!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    May 9, 2009 at 3:21 pm
    If we do not learn how to trust our children, how will they ever become trust-worthy?
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    Marcko98 Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 3:24 pm
    F$%k that P@#O.
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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    May 9, 2009 at 3:27 pm
    It disturbs me to say this because I`m very much an atheist and see this school as nothing more than a cult..
    That said, the school has every right to suspend him! His parents choose to put him in that school for a reason, and for the right to go to that school they have to follow a certain lifestyle!
    I`m assuming that this is a private school rather than a public one, therefore the parents should shut up! If they dont like the school rules, send him to a public school. It`s not like they didnt have the choice. So..obviously the parents are the root cause of this.
    I do feel sorry for the kid because he obviously has no say in the matter as he wont be recognised as a legal adult. Obviously he dosnt like the schools policies because he wouldnt be going to his girlfriends prom.

    Not a black and white case I`m afraid...and a prime example of why religion is stupid and parents can be even stupider for forcing their religious ideals on their kids.

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    caboose117 Male 13-17
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    May 9, 2009 at 3:27 pm
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    this is why im atheist, religion tries to control your life, screw that. I dont want some inbred cosmic jewish zombie commanding me how to live my life, with the threat of eternal damnation for breaking any of his rules. I want to live my life the way i want, and if some of you religious types dont like that, so what?
    "

    So instead you decide to be a slave to society, and the laws of nature. Either way, your a slave, so pick your poison boy. Stop trying to act like you have control, because when you really step back and look at the world, nobody really has control. Unless your Napoleon. Then again Talleyrand was the one who really had control.

    Ok, so become the next world dictator and THEN you can talk about living your life the way you want. Then again you still have to play by rules, so you won`t have freedom. SO STOP TALKING LIKE A TEENAGER AND GROW UP.
    sad a teenager had to say that.

    anyway, that school sounds retarded. i say he go get wasted for the heck

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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 3:28 pm
    EEK! A PENIS!
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    skine Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 3:31 pm
    "If we do not learn how to trust our children, how will they ever become trust-worthy? "

    How do children learn to become trustworthy if they`re allowed to break a signed contract?

    By no means am I saying that it`s right, I`m just saying that as long as the content of the contract is not illegal (sorry for the double negative), he should be held to it upon signing and agreeing to the contract. Yes, the school has unnecessarily strict restrictions. But by the kid and father actively choosing a private school that had those restrictions, they became subject to the school`s rules.

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    panth753 Female 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 3:32 pm
    If I were at that school, I would break everyone of those single rules with a smile on my face.
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    LoofahBoy Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 3:32 pm
    Right. Because sex is satan. )-|
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    explody Female 13-17
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    May 9, 2009 at 3:34 pm
    Ugh, I`m a Christian and I would not let my kids go NEAR that school. But his parents sent him there, and they signed a contract. So if they break the rules, of course they`ll get in trouble.
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    Olk Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 3:44 pm
    i hate baptists
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    mattriesel Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 3:54 pm
    I`d say this is a very reasonable punishment. If this boy is allowed to hold hands with girls, he could end up gay. Not to mention how poorly it would reflect on him as a christian. Do you think JESUS hung out with whores and other people of low morals? No Way, Jo-se!
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    Pilanus Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 4:00 pm
    If only these kind of people stopped having sex altogether, then in 40 years the problem would be solved.
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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 4:01 pm
    You know...I think a Jesus SHOULD come back if ONLY to walk up to a podium grab the mic, and scream

    "WHAT THE HELL GUYS!? SERIOUSLY!? WHAT THE dratING HELL!?"

    and then leave.

    It`d be so epic.

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    CheeseMan1 Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 4:01 pm
    I`d like to see the contract he signed at the beginning of the year. If it forbids him from doing things the school sees as immoral, even outside of school, then I guess he just has to accept it. However I doubt that the contract reaches to outside of school hours. So yeah, it just depends on whether or not the contract extends outside of school hours (which it might, by saying he is representing the school at all times).
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    May 9, 2009 at 4:01 pm
    The handbook for the 84-student Christian school says rock music "is part of the counterculture which seeks to implant seeds of rebellion in young people`s hearts and minds."

    ++++++++++++++++

    Wow. Seeds of rebellion? Last thing we want is to impart a bit of critical thinking and self-questioning into the minds of our youth! God forbid! (pun intended). I love the delicious irony that followers of Christ refer to themselves as his "flock"...

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    TamponString Female 13-17
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    May 9, 2009 at 4:03 pm
    This aggravates me so incredibly much.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 4:06 pm
    From this we can conclude that christians are stupid.

    ... but we already knew this, long ago. So, I`m still bored.

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    Kougaiji Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 4:06 pm
    Christianity is dead. God is dead. Religion is dead. And these people are just putting the final nails in the coffin.

    Thank God.

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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 4:09 pm
    "if he goes out with that girl, he could end up gay, and we wouldn`t want that"

    bahahaha!

    All you can do is laugh at such a statement. I mean, what could you possibly say to someone who says that?

  28. Profile photo of Nidonemo
    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 4:16 pm
    Related content:

    For those who like a good sorta neutral sorta not look on religious activity I suggest this webcomic:

    "Gods Playing Poker"
    http://www.gppcomic.com/

    They`re doing a thing on different argument "techniques" right now, but start from the first comic, it`s a great read. Have fun.

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    WaywardSon Male 13-17
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    May 9, 2009 at 4:23 pm
    I had no idea some people still considered rock music the devil`s tool or whatever. That`s pretty funny.

    But it irks me that people will take a case like this and apply it to Christianity as a whole--this is the same tactic people will use when equating extremist Muslim behavior to Islam as a whole. Any religion can be interpreted in any way. These people take it to the extreme. Most Christians don`t. Please remember that, and think twice before calling Christians "stupid".

    Oh, and though I (being a Christian) disagree with every mentioned term in the school`s contract, it is still a contract.

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    BrimstoneOne Male 30-39
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    May 9, 2009 at 4:33 pm
    oh, those weird fundamentalists...
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    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
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    May 9, 2009 at 4:50 pm
    Destroy these schools so we don`t bring up another generation of these asshats.
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    F1r3w0lf Male 13-17
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    May 9, 2009 at 5:01 pm
    Rock music implanting "seeds of rebellion"? That`s what Jesus did!
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    meowmeowmeow Male 13-17
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    May 9, 2009 at 5:04 pm
    I WILL ALWAYS BELIEVE EVOLUTION!!! GOO DARWIN!!!
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    jinxiejae Female 30-39
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    May 9, 2009 at 5:15 pm
    speaking as a catholic, christians arent stupid since there are plenty of non christians that fit that description as well. EXTREMISTS are stupid. and those that think going to a school dance is an immoral act and a sin in the eyes of god are the epitome of stupid . i mean even the amish have socials and dances. lighten up!
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    je_scream Female 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 5:37 pm
    Why is everyone codemning Christians? Like, I`m so tired of these videos that show these country bumpkin idiots just pissing on the word of Christ and everyone making broad generalizations and using it as a basis to thump how proud to be a atheist or something equally RETARDED for people to like pat them on the back or something. I just don`t get the point. Like, obviously this school if f-ing CRAZY and you know that all Christians aren`t like that so what`s with the Christian bashing comments, not cool. And anywho, the boy deserves to not go to graduation because he or his father can`t read, it says that in the contract there`s no prom or anyother normal stuff allowed lol, yet they still decided to go there. Dumb. He made his bed now sleep in it. lol, no rock music, someone send Kevin Bacon to that school ASAP.
  36. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    May 9, 2009 at 5:38 pm
    skine: I`m proud to say I`m Christian, I am, However, Disappointed this school has gone authoritarian on this kid.

    Their rules should only apply to their school grounds, Not to this kids entire life.

    This is exactly the kind of tyrannical crap that has caused people to stop going to church and some others to become atheists.

    Public schools have similar problems with their "zero tolerance" rules as well.

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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 5:46 pm
    "Findlay requires students from other schools attending the prom to get a signature from their principal, which Frost did....England acknowledged signing the form but warned Frost there would be consequences if he attended the dance"

    So, the principal signs his studid form allowing him to go, and then simulaneously threatens him with supspension if he does? Doesn`t seem like the best way to handle that situation.

    Oh and Jinxie, well said. I`m and atheist and pretty much all my friends are Christains of one kind or another. Fundamentalists of any stripe are narrow and bigoted individuals.

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    Crocomire Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 5:47 pm
    God damn. This has gotten so out of hand. This prom is my highschools prom, and his girlfriend is one of my really good friends. It`s all really stupid. Our prom is actually going on right as I speak, and apparently there are news crews there waiting outside.

    They have been dating less than two weeks, yet he still insists on going and getting suspended, and not being able to walk at graduation.

    She told me when I walked into school last wednesday that a radio station had called him and asked for an interview with them. She was pissed then haha. I wonder what she`s thinking now. >.>

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    pwnda Female 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 5:53 pm
    um.. ok.
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    dragosal Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 6:00 pm
    lol christians
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    outfire Male 13-17
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    May 9, 2009 at 6:02 pm
    alright, i`m not against Christians or anything, but this is really not right, another thing that got to me was this: The handbook for the 84-student Christian school says rock music "is part of the counterculture which seeks to implant seeds of rebellion in young people`s hearts and minds."
    wtf? I`ll listen to my rock music and be a good person, thank you very much.
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    apoet4life Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 6:06 pm
    "lol christians"

    not all christians! just the stupid fundies lol

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    je_scream Female 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 6:10 pm
    lol `against christians` you do realize that`s called discrimination, right? lol, you`re just as narrow minded as these fundamentalists and you don`t even realize it. lmfao.
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    baileyabb Female 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 6:11 pm
    lol religion.
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    Huggaboo92 Female 13-17
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    May 9, 2009 at 6:13 pm
    Ooh I`m so baaaad, I dance all the time and I`m going to hell. :)
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    turkeybot Male 13-17
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    May 9, 2009 at 6:22 pm
    thats nothing at my school you can get expelled for not having your shirt tucked in but its still wrong to suspend him for going to prom
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    madest Male 40-49
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    May 9, 2009 at 6:23 pm
    Another reason to avoid religion.
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    dragosal Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 6:28 pm
    where i come from all christians are "fundies" so im not being closed minded, thank you
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    FangsUp Female 13-17
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    May 9, 2009 at 6:28 pm
    "Do you think JESUS hung out with whores and other people of low morals? No Way, Jo-se!"

    Now, dont quote me on this, but I Seem to recall some biblical whores crossing Jesus`s path at one point or another.

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    je_scream Female 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 6:37 pm
    lol, sure you`re not.
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    sims3k Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 6:38 pm
    whyd doesnt he lie
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    n0n Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 6:43 pm
    ocne again, the zealots remind us that we are supposed to give their favourite imaginary friend in the sky daily hand-jobs rather than seek our own pleasures in life.
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    ThatWasFunny Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 6:46 pm
    "I WILL ALWAYS BELIEVE EVOLUTION!!! GOO DARWIN!!!"

    You can`t believe evolution and creationism?

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    outfire Male 13-17
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    May 9, 2009 at 6:46 pm
    Alright, read more, so the school says that they have a policy on dancing? I`m just trying to understand this here, so that`s no dancing? What is this place the no fun zone? are the students not allowed to smile or laugh, or would that be succumbing to the temptation of pleasure. Ridiculous. Note: to all Christians here, i understand that you`re not all like this, i`m ranting about this school in particular, thank you.
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    ThatWasFunny Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 6:49 pm
    It`s them foot-washing Baptists, I tell you.
    They think everything`s a sin.
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    dystopia04 Female 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 6:49 pm
    ummm... i just don`t understand how they can control his behavior outside of class.. like, i don`t understand how that`s legal.
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    xastor Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 6:55 pm
    damn, i would be soo pissed off if I were that guy, that`s like going 100 years back in time :s ...
    Only in America
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    outfire Male 13-17
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    May 9, 2009 at 6:57 pm
    "Only in America"
    Only because it hasn`t been said a thousand times.
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    outfire Male 13-17
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    May 9, 2009 at 6:57 pm
    But i agree with you, i too would be pissed :)
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 7:00 pm
    WaywardSon - "Any religion can be interpreted in any way."

    But you`d think, wouldn`t you, that any real omnipotent god would be able to make his message 100% clear, so his followers would know exactly what he wants. Strange.

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    je_scream Female 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 7:06 pm
    Religion really has nothing to do with this, crazy is crazy. End of story,lol. I don`t know what it`s gonna take for people to finally realize that.
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    awesomeloser Male 13-17
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    May 9, 2009 at 7:18 pm
    "The handbook for the 84-student Christian school says rock music "is part of the counterculture which seeks to implant seeds of rebellion in young people`s hearts and minds.""

    its cool that religion so obviously states it wants to control everything and supress free though

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    qwelch Female 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 7:19 pm
    "The handbook for the 84-student Christian school says rock music "is part of the counterculture which seeks to implant seeds of rebellion in young people`s hearts and minds."

    WHAT ABOUT CHRISTIAN ROCK?

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    qwelch Female 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 7:27 pm
    Furthermore, I think that the contract`s more of an agreement - nothing legally binding. I know a couple of schools who passed around an "I Agree To Abide by the School Rules" sheet. No one takes it seriously. I`m also a Christian and attend a Christian school... we don`t have dances, but we`re also not challenged or threatened about our extra-curricular lifestyle. This school is a simply ridiculous example. Trust me, this shouldn`t be reflected on the rest of Christians.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 7:29 pm
    je_scream - "Religion really has nothing to do with this"

    Perhaps you missed this quote from the principal:
    "In life, we constantly make decisions whether we are going to please self or please God. (Frost) chose one path, and the school committee chose the other"

    Now, how is this not about religion again?

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    AnwarNova Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 7:41 pm
    "For the parents to claim any injustice regarding this issue is at best forgetful and at worst disingenuous," he said. "It is our hope that the student and his parents will abide by the policies they have already agreed to."

    I think what most people are forgetting is that he family knowingly sent their son to this school. Sure the school might be crazy, but the family sent their kid there and now expect the school not act crazy? Hilarious.

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    AnwarNova Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 7:42 pm
    "But you`d think, wouldn`t you, that any real omnipotent god would be able to make his message 100% clear, so his followers would know exactly what he wants. Strange."

    You are woefully ignorant of philosophy huh?

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    Postovoy Male 13-17
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    May 9, 2009 at 7:52 pm
    I don`t want to sound like the standard bitchy atheist here, but this is one of the reasons why religion has such a bad reputation amongst us.
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    Postovoy Male 13-17
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    May 9, 2009 at 7:55 pm
    By the way, I have nothing against Christians in general, it`s just specific cases of mind-numbing, God-based stupidity such as the one demonstrated here.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    May 9, 2009 at 8:11 pm
    not all christians! just the stupid fundies lol

    Tits, arse, nipples, dick and balls. The regulars give the fundies the cover they need. I don`t give a flying f*ck whether you`re talking about the IRA, Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, whatever.

    These headbangers are able to operate because of the sympathetic mouth-breathing bronze-age bullsh*t that supports their hegemony.

    I`m going to stop now, before I get into the Pope preaching against condom use in AIDS-stricken africa.

    Religion disgusts me deeply, at a very sincere level. It is abhorrent. I struggle to understand why people still murder each other in the name of this over-arching, overriding, bronze-age sh*t.

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    carolinads13 Female 13-17
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    May 9, 2009 at 8:21 pm
    If we can learn anything from this is that
    God hates rock music
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    kinjomusashi Male 30-39
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    May 9, 2009 at 8:21 pm
    haha, these people really take the movie "Footloose" way too seriously...the kid should go to the prom and do a rebellious solo dance number just like kevin bacon...that`ll show em`...lol...
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    ricki24 Female 13-17
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    May 9, 2009 at 8:28 pm
    This is exactly what gives Christians a bad rap.
    We aren`t all the folks in Footloose. (kinjomusashi, that`s a hilarious and correct point)
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    zazuch Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 8:37 pm
    i also like how they blatant say that rock music plants seed of rebellion to there idiotic religion crap they have lol. "you cant listen to rock music because you will be smart and think on your own and not listen to our lies!!!!" lol.

    I hate religion but i could care less if people follow one god or another. It doesn`t effect me to much for me to care about it.

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    AnwarNova Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 8:40 pm
    "Tits, arse, nipples, dick and balls. The regulars give the fundies the cover they need. I don`t give a flying f*ck whether you`re talking about the IRA, Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, whatever."

    What a horrible argument, by that logic we should persecute any group or community based upon the actions of a few loosely related individuals. A corrupt UN official means all of the UN is bad. English male citizens who are a part of pedophile rings means that all English males are disgusting. A scientist who engages in illegal and potentially disastrous research means that all scientists should be scrutinized and treated with suspicion. You only get to these kind of conclusions with a huge dose of arrogant ignorance.

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    slayer50515 Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 8:47 pm
    "Religion disgusts me deeply, at a very sincere level. It is abhorrent. I struggle to understand why people still murder each other in the name of this over-arching, overriding, bronze-age sh*t. "
    seconded.

    "What a horrible argument, by that logic we should persecute any group or community based upon the actions of a few loosely related individuals"
    also, i dont think you understand his post.
    hes saying that they use the "regular offenders" to cover their a**es as they get away with things even worse.
    does that clear it up :o?

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    AnwarNova Male 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 8:49 pm
    no it doesn`t really cover things up. what I understand him to be saying is that people in this article get away with their shenanigans because there are nicer people in the religion.
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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    May 9, 2009 at 9:00 pm
    Thats a VERY bad counter argument you make AnwarNova. Each religion (as a whole) is very diffrent from claiming "A corrupt UN official means all of the UN is bad (or any of your other statements)".
    All religions are a set of faiths and practices. Of course each member is diffrent and has a diffrent interpretation of that religion..but one constant is apparent. The same core beliefs! You cant throw every UN official, Englishman or Scientist into the same idioligy because each member dosnt have the same set of core beliefs.

    I have as many arguments as you like about religion but they are pointless. Religion IS evil. No ifs or buts. Try reading the bible or Quran. Each peddles in fear and hatred no matter how each religion sugar coats it. That said, It dosnt make the acctuall followers evil though. People can think or say what they like for all I care. Thats freedom...but when they act on those beliefs there is a problem...and many religions get away with a lot!

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    Iroj Female 18-29
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    May 9, 2009 at 9:09 pm
    I`ve always been amused at the irony of Christians calling themselves/being called `sheep`. It really does fit their mentality.
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    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    May 9, 2009 at 9:09 pm
    What a horrible argument, by that logic we should persecute any group or community based upon the actions of a few loosely related individuals. A corrupt UN official means all of the UN is bad. English male citizens who are a part of pedophile rings means that all English males are disgusting. A scientist who engages in illegal and potentially disastrous research means that all scientists should be scrutinized

    Bollocks. The Bible clearly states that we`re all going to burn in Hell and be tormented for all eternity if you`re not Christian. Sorry, Buddhists. F*ck you, Muslims. Hate to beya, Jews. What`s that, Chinese animists? Soz, but you`re all f*cked. Hare Krinshna? Don`t make me laugh! My god is better than your god, you`ll see, when you`re burning in hell.

    Religion is the worst disease that ever happened to humanity. I still submit that religion is deeply repellent to continuation of the human race

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    SuperSmash Male 18-29
    3758 posts
    May 9, 2009 at 9:11 pm
    It`s a private school and they can do what they want. Doesn`t seem fair, but that`s what they signed up for when they decided to attend a fundamentalist Baptist school.
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    qwelch Female 18-29
    145 posts
    May 9, 2009 at 9:13 pm
    "but when they act on those beliefs there is a problem...and many religions get away with a lot!"

    Are you honestly trying to tell me to "believe what I want to believe, but don`t show it or act it out"?

    Really?
    That`s just ignorant.

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    Zerro Male 18-29
    628 posts
    May 9, 2009 at 9:23 pm
    I really don`t care what other people do.
    Rock Music, hand holding, kissing?
    These are all material items that just don`t matter at all. And when this group of "Christians" enforce these types of rules on other people they are doing nothing hurting their image.

    Jesus doesn`t want us caught up in these petty arguments of what is right and wrong in this particular day and age.
    He told us to do two things simply, love God and love man.
    These people are doing nothing of the sort going around with all the "GOD HATES ROCK MUSIC! TURN OR BURN!! YOU`RE ALL GOING TO HELL FOR GOING TO PROM" do NOT have a spirit of love.

    I don`t care about Rock music, Holding hands, gay marriage WHATEVER!
    All I care about is that my Savior, Jesus, has commanded me to love everyone as I would want to be loved.
    That is all I try to do as a follower of him.

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    don11817 Male 30-39
    86 posts
    May 9, 2009 at 9:30 pm
    Religion is a problem. Christ Himself said it was. Religion is man-made, not God-made and I think thats where the line blurs for many people. Jesus said to follow Him. He didn`t say "follow these rules".

    A true follower of Jesus is anything BUT religious--religion is not the key to knowing God, being Christ-like is. Jesus hung out with the prostitutes, the sick, the lame, the outcast--he was a doctor to the sick, a healer to the broken and abused, a mentor to those who would follow Him and a Teacher to those who would listen.

    Yes modern Christianity is flawed. Centuries of PEOPLE using it to promote their agendas and fulfill their lust for power and wealth has twisted God`s gift of Jesus 180 degrees out from what God intended.

    You will recall that Jesus renounced the religious zealots. "if any one of you is without sin, let him cast the first stone" was a challenge to their self-proclaimed righteousness. I believe Jesus would do the same today in &q

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    don11817 Male 30-39
    86 posts
    May 9, 2009 at 9:35 pm
    Continued.... I believe Jesus would do the same today in so called "Christian" churches who espouse religion over faith, religious deeds as if they are meritorious or somehow make them more worthy than others. God loves all His children-- you me, every human breathing--the same. We have but to respond to Him. I cannot make myself worthy of his love--He already gave it to me. I cannot be religious and self-righteous and win favor for it. Any person who uses their self-righteous agenda to forward themselves on Earth will not receive any thing more for it--will not benefit or be elevated in some "status" in God`s eyes. The man who believes he can be religious and impress God is a fool...


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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    May 9, 2009 at 9:36 pm
    qwelch
    Female, 18-29, Canada

    Are you honestly trying to tell me to "believe what I want to believe, but don`t show it or act it out"?

    Really?
    That`s just ignorant.
    --------------------------------------------------

    Yes..you apparently are! You are free to think and say what you want. You can, for example, say being gay is wrong as many christians or muslims do, for example. I dont like, I dont agree with it and I`ll put foward just as many counter arguments.
    Thats debate.

    The second the christians or muslims start amending laws, locking up gays, assulting or killing gays then it`s time to start breaking skulls!

    Guess what! Christians and Mulsims HAVE done that. Those that peacefully get on with their lives following their own rules and not attempting to force their world views on others dont bother me or an in the least...but still those sheeple dont stop the others do they!

    Yes..One of us IS ignorant..but I`m damn sure it isnt me!

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    davymid Male 30-39
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    May 9, 2009 at 9:36 pm
    vv don11817, I like your message. If more Christians were as humble and sincere as you, maybe we`d be more inclined to listen.

    Respect.

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    qwelch Female 18-29
    145 posts
    May 9, 2009 at 9:42 pm
    The_Maddog:

    What if I believe in pacifism?
    Once I refuse to partake in violence, am I all of a sudden wrong for doing so?

    Didn`t think so.

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    osirisascend Male 40-49
    3045 posts
    May 9, 2009 at 10:04 pm
    @don11817: Well said. I come from a family of ministers and walked away from organized religion for EXACTLY the reasons you have described below. I was fortunate enough to realize at an early age that the church today is more about the arrogance that is MAN`S law.
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    Nebbie Male 18-29
    864 posts
    May 9, 2009 at 10:06 pm
    EVERYBODY GET FOOTLOOSE!
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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
    3369 posts
    May 9, 2009 at 10:07 pm
    qwelch
    Female, 18-29, Canada
    36 Posts Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:42:10 PM
    The_Maddog:

    What if I believe in pacifism?
    Once I refuse to partake in violence, am I all of a sudden wrong for doing so?

    Didn`t think so.
    --------------------------------------------------

    No. Thats a diffrent arguement all together because it dosnt effect anyone but you! You choose not to act violently and I`d salute that in certain circumstances.

    Then again...if your lack of action caused suffering of others then yes I would have problem with it, but as I said..it`s not the same arguement.

    Please try and keep the discussion in context. Pacifist arnt likely to set nail bombs off in gay nightclubs are they! they wouldnt be a pacifist if they did! Like I said and you obviously dont get...you are free to say and belive what you want...but the second you start acting on it, it`s those actions that set you appart, good or bad..

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    GothicQueen Male 13-17
    4376 posts
    May 9, 2009 at 10:27 pm
    I think it is a bit ridiculous. Contract or not school rules shouldn`t be applied outside the classroom. That`s like telling kids they have to wear their school uniform everywhere they go or something even when they aren`t there.

    Also it is only dancing and music I don`t see the harm in that at all.

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    chunkymonkie Male 13-17
    670 posts
    May 9, 2009 at 10:36 pm
    ohhh.. BURN.
    i could not go to that school, especially since i love rock & roll and dancing
  94. Profile photo of chunkymonkie
    chunkymonkie Male 13-17
    670 posts
    May 9, 2009 at 10:38 pm
    like really, how does Led Zeppelin "plant seeds of rebellion in young peoples hearts and minds"?
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    May 9, 2009 at 10:57 pm
    Q: Why don`t Baptists have sex standing up?

    A: Because it might lead to dancing.

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    fatex52986 Male 18-29
    1129 posts
    May 9, 2009 at 11:07 pm
    stupid lames not letting kids have dances. WTF....
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    Beebeegirl Female 13-17
    81 posts
    May 9, 2009 at 11:24 pm
    my school would do this to anyone who went to a public school prom...it`s ridiculous. i agree with zerro about Jesus not wanting us to constantly be arguing. i go to a baptist school and i swear they spend more time arguing about whose a better christian than actually going out into the world and helping people
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    moefreak Female 18-29
    1963 posts
    May 9, 2009 at 11:46 pm
    *sigh*
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    Disco_Stu Male 18-29
    593 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 12:14 am
    I`ve just listened to a George Harrison record. I`m expecting the Devil to come pick me up any moment now.
  100. Profile photo of bunny_knight
    bunny_knight Male 18-29
    352 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 12:20 am
    "we constantly make decisions whether we are going to please self or please God"

    please self, because if god isn`t real, your screwed.

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    Iroj Female 18-29
    960 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 12:25 am
    Hahaha. Nice one, Ollie!
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    huskyhusky Male 13-17
    117 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 12:51 am
    You know, there are smart Christians who attend church, tell you that you should join Christianity,pray at their bed side, and try not to sin too badly, and then there are stupid Christians, who do this kind of poo that think because something doesn`t have the word `god` in it means that it is now the work of the devil and that whoever does it will be corrupt. It`s absurd and stupid. I honestly hope god gives with a backhand across the face for doing stupid stuff like then when or if they get into heaven.
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    OrangeCrow Female 18-29
    1199 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 2:07 am
    I think we should all just go in there and make a flash rave... <.<
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    ShadowRyder Male 18-29
    2127 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 2:21 am
    What gives them the right to say what a person can and can`t do outside of their school? It`s that kid`s life and he`s gonna live it like the way he wants to.
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    s0rd3dvis1on Male 18-29
    2388 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 2:56 am
    Fundemantalists hahahaaa now there`s a joke somebody give them some courage. I new about sacrifice but this just leaves the biscuit. when other people are having fun they`re making confessions a real buzz kill.but seriously let religion fight itslef

    "if youre enemies are fighting sip tea and drink wine but when they are of one mind man the battelments and arm the troops"

  106. Profile photo of Tay-Dor
    Tay-Dor Male 40-49
    265 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 3:15 am
    As a Christian, my mind boggles at the thought of Christians banning dancing and music. King David (the shepard who killed Goliath with a sling) danced and sang a lot.
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    domisgood Male 18-29
    4868 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 3:47 am
    lol sucks to be him
  108. Profile photo of tangello
    tangello Female 13-17
    901 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 3:58 am
    I agree with OrangeCrow.
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    Binary101 Male 13-17
    845 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 4:28 am
    stupid, if he is not in school - why do school rules apply!?
    I mean, you don`t wear my school uniform 24/7 because you have to in school!
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    Gluggr Male 18-29
    422 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 5:08 am
    OrangeCow: I`d come :D

    And even if Rock `n` Roll is evil, it`s ok if I continue to listen to pagan metal, right?

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    amped35 Male 13-17
    255 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 5:11 am
    i love to listen to christain metal

    and yes, it is out there

  112. Profile photo of Andicicle
    Andicicle Male 18-29
    503 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 5:54 am
    as usual, religious extremist brainwashing of adolescence at work. Dancing is evil. Music is from the devil, and we all pee satan`s lemonade
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    Crawdaddy197 Male 30-39
    353 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 5:56 am
    Loose, footloose
    Kick off your Sunday shoes
    Oowhee, Marie
    Shake it, shake it for me
    Whoa, Milo
    C`mon, c`mon let go
    Lose your blues
    Everybody cut footloose
  114. Profile photo of HarryDresden
    HarryDresden Male 18-29
    99 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 6:05 am
    ahhh religion summed up as:
    "You are free, to do as we Tell you!"
  115. Profile photo of Listypoos
    Listypoos Male 40-49
    3069 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 6:26 am
    It strikes me that the real reason for not wanting him to attend this party is that he may have a good time and go back and tell all the other `controlled` students that actually dancing, kissing, socialising with people with differing views is pretty good fun.

    Rock music encourages rebellion? Hmmmm....against whom are they worried the rebellion will be? Them or their chosen diety? Seems to me it`s themselves and their own control they don`t want people questioning.

    Just another transparent example of biggotted people using religion for their own ends.

  116. Profile photo of Tay-Dor
    Tay-Dor Male 40-49
    265 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 7:08 am
    Ecclesiastes 3:1-4
    To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn,

    a time to dance.

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    je_scream Female 18-29
    761 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 7:12 am
    MY GOD, atheists are phucking annoying! *face palm* stfu!
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    Starshine24 Female 13-17
    706 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 7:18 am
    "As a Christian, my mind boggles at the thought of Christians banning dancing and music. King David (the shepherd who killed Goliath with a sling) danced and sang a lot."

    Amen to that!

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    chadders42 Male 13-17
    171 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 7:26 am
    MY GOODNESS, Christians are bloody annoying! *face palm* stfu!
  120. Profile photo of RobSwindol
    RobSwindol Male 30-39
    2514 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 7:41 am
    Yet another example of Christians giving their own religion a bad name.
    "In life, we constantly make decisions whether we are going to please self or please God. (Frost) chose one path, and the school committee chose the other,"

    In Psalms 30:11, David says to God, "You have turned my mourning into dancing..." So if dancing were bad, then why would God have done that?

    This is just another example of the shallow, self righteous, hypocritical, morons who are the backbone of almost all cult religions like Christianity.

    There is one thing more important than practicing what you preach. And that is KNOWING what you preach.

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    Lorodiam Male 18-29
    189 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 7:49 am
    Hahaha.... hilarious stuff. Meh i`d take the expulsion.
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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
    3369 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 7:58 am
    je_scream
    Female, 18-29, Eastern US
    455 Posts Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:12:20 AM
    MY GOD, atheists are phucking annoying! *face palm* stfu!
    ---------------------------------------------------

    Annoying..mayby. At least we dont belive in zombies!

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    je_scream Female 18-29
    761 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 8:30 am
    Zombies? wtf, that`s your comeback? Because, I choose to believe that when I die I won`t just lie in the ground and become scum of the Earth...that`s a bad thing? Because I choose to life a good life (by no means perfect) but a life in which I give thanks to something greater than me and try (the key word is try) to be moral and right is bad? No, REAL Christians aren`t anything like that story, but your lack of anykind of faith (be it in God or not) makes you just group all people in one catergory and cast judgement. Athesists always go on like they`re so liberal and accepting compared to Christians when they`re VERY judgemental like everyone else.
  124. Profile photo of qwelch
    qwelch Female 18-29
    145 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 8:49 am
    Maddog, good to see you haven`t left.
    Concerning your previous reply:

    It seems you`ve changed from "Believe what you want to believe, just don`t act on it in any way" to "Believe what you want to believe, but only act on it if it`s beneficial to others."

    Please, respond when you know which idea you`d like to represent.

    Love,
    qwelch.

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    qwelch Female 18-29
    145 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 9:02 am
    Oh, and as a reminder:
    My position is that the statement, "Believe what you want to believe, just don`t act it out" is entirely wrong.
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    xoxojackiee Female 13-17
    108 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 9:26 am
    I like to dance.
    I listen to rock music.
    I hold hands with people.
    I even kiss them! :o

    && I`m a Christian (:
    We`re not all stupid.

  127. Profile photo of trueninja
    trueninja Male 13-17
    118 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 9:46 am
    this is why i (mostly, there are some sane religious persons) hate religion.
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    comp_wizard Male 18-29
    194 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 10:14 am
    All I can say is that this one will probably end with a lawsuit. And that the school in question richly deserves whatever comes to them. Trying to dictate student`s actions outside of school is simply inappropriate.
  129. Profile photo of The_Maddog
    The_Maddog Male 30-39
    3369 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 11:35 am
    Qwelch. My original statement was

    "Religion IS evil. No ifs or buts. Try reading the bible or Quran. Each peddles in fear and hatred no matter how each religion sugar coats it. That said, It dosnt make the acctuall followers evil though. People can think or say what they like for all I care. Thats freedom...but when they act on those beliefs there is a problem...and many religions get away with a lot!"


    I never acctually said "Believe what you want to believe, just don`t act on it in any way"..that was 100% you taking my comments out of context!

    I then went on to say "You can, for example, say being gay is wrong as many christians or muslims do, for example. I dont like, I dont agree with it and I`ll put foward just as many counter arguments.
    Thats debate.
    The second the christians or muslims start amending laws, locking up gays, assulting or killing gays then it`s time to start breaking skulls!"

    My argument allways was and is, >>

  130. Profile photo of almightybob1
    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    May 10, 2009 at 11:39 am
    don11817: "Jesus said to follow Him. He didn`t say "follow these rules"."

    This is the only part of your post I disagree with. In Matthew 5:18-19 Jesus clearly states that all the laws from the OT still apply, and that anyone who breaks "one of the least of these commands will be called least in heaven". So in fact, Jesus tells you to obey all the original OT laws. I don`t know a single Christian who stones rebellious children to death, so it looks like they`re all going to be called least in heaven.


    Maddog: "Annoying..mayby. At least we dont belive in zombies!"

    Speak for yourself, mate. I have a zombie plan ready to roll at the first sign of an outbreak.

  131. Profile photo of firefliet
    firefliet Female 18-29
    1232 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 11:40 am
    Not all religious people are annoying, but these little offshoot groups that try to dictate kids` lives really get on my nerves.

    Psh. Private schools. If it were a public school, they`d have no right to dictate his actions outside of school in that manner, and even for a private school, the legality is sketchy.

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    _Perfection_ Male 18-29
    1788 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 11:47 am
    Absolutely stunning the amount of ignorance that can come from religion.
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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
    3369 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 12:16 pm
    >> Belive whatever you want, say whatever you want. I support those freedoms. What I do not support is the persecution and infringement of other peoples rights because they dont agree with you. Do I care if some fundie hate`s abortion? Not so much as that is their right and they have the right to voice that opinion.I can present a counter argument to it. Do I think they have the right to remove the legal right for women to have abortions, or protest outside abortion clinics, firebomb said clinics or attack the doctors involved. No they bloody dont!
    This is something religion is very much guilty of (not just abortion but many subjects) across the world and through out history.

    Please dont bother responding if your just going to misquote me! I dont do strawman arguments!

  134. Profile photo of explody
    explody Female 13-17
    104 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 12:24 pm
    Absolutely stunning the amount of ignorance that can come from religion.
    -----
    Not so much the religion as it is the people that follow the religion. I`m a Christian, but I certainly don`t go around throwing Bibles at people, telling them they`ll go to hell if they don`t believe what it says. But I know Christians that are like this, and I refuse to associate myself with them.
    My philosophy is: No matter what religion you are, I`m still going to treat you like a respectable human being. I`ll mind my business and stay out of yours. :)
  135. Profile photo of JHSpring26
    JHSpring26 Male 18-29
    492 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 12:40 pm
    aw, it`s like that town in Footloose! come on, just let the children dance!
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    amigaloca01 Female 13-17
    34 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 1:25 pm
    hooray for explody! i totally agree.
  137. Profile photo of qwelch
    qwelch Female 18-29
    145 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 1:45 pm
    `kay, Maddog, agree to disagree.

    Just a few closing remarks:

    1) Like what don11817 was getting at, Christians are called to love God and love others. The people who go around locking up/killing people who live a lifestyle they disagree are either extremely confused or altogether fake Christians.

    2) Straw man, eh? What about all these ad hominem or hasty generalizations going on?

    If you actually want to argue further, tell me, and I`ll email you.

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    dysfunkgirl6 Female 13-17
    4 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 1:58 pm
    Lmfao. Zombie.
    Je Scream, i think you get too offended.

    My best friend in the world is Pentecostal,
    a natural "Holy Roller"
    and She doesnt even get that offended when I discuss religion with her.
    Cuz,
    though im not an athiest

    i am STRAIGHT UP.
    Against Christianity.

    I just wanna know,
    cuz i havnt looked into the bible,
    ive been to church a couple times.
    But dont fiddle really with the rules and such.

    But,

    Did Gandhi go to hell?
    He didnt believe Jesus was his savior,
    But he was an amazing man.

    I ask not to be flamed
    Im not trying to be a smarta**.
    No ones ever been able to answer this question.

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    reidcook1000 Male 18-29
    381 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 2:17 pm
    @ dysfunkgirl6:
    personally, i`m indecided on christianity myself, but by its tenants, yes ghandi did go to hell. according to the bible, man cannot go to heaven by works alone but only by his belief in jesus. thats if and only if you believe the christian doctrine. otherwise, it`s wide open to debate based on whatever standpoint you take on religion and the existence and admittance into heaven.
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    reidcook1000 Male 18-29
    381 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 2:17 pm
    hope that helps some, but probably not lol. :D
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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
    3369 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 2:24 pm
    qwelch:

    I`ll post just one quote from the bible to prove exactly how evil the bible is. There are many more examples of how repulsive and self contradicting the bible is but this one will suffice...and I`m not even going to start on how many example there are of christianity being a ripp off of other previous religions!

    "If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods …do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. - Deut 13:7-12"

    Nuff said, debate over!

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    undeadonion Female 18-29
    213 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 3:40 pm
    THIS JUST IN: Christian schools are drating ridiculous! NEXT UP: Water is wet and the sky is blue
  143. Profile photo of Gomay
    Gomay Male 13-17
    690 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 3:45 pm
    @Maddog

    Who said that in the Bible and who was he talking to? Not all of the verses in the Bible talks to everyone. Like some are directed to the Gentiles etc. etc.

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    Gomay Male 13-17
    690 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 3:48 pm
    As an example of cutting some things out...

    Slavery is ok ONLY if you can`t pay back a debt to someone. THEN you become his slave for a fair amount of time, most being 7 years.

    Whitey read the first 3 words and decided to enslave the Africans.

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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
    3369 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 4:02 pm
    Gomay.
    1) Read the bible yourself!
    2) Slavery is never ok...even in debt!

    I cant face speaking with Christians anymore. Its causing my IQ to drop!

  146. Profile photo of Snazyguy
    Snazyguy Male 18-29
    46 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 4:54 pm
    I am a Christ-following ordinary human being. My pastor and I discuss stuff like this 85% of the time we meet. From our conversations I took this; I can enter a bar, get moderately buzzed, dance, and leave being no less a christian.

    Jesus had fun, heck we`re speaking of a man who can turn water into wine for the sake up his relative`s party.

    All of you christian meat heads can be pricklier than cacti. And for those ignorant non-believers (sorry, but isn`t that what you are...) don`t realize how fun Christianity can be at it`s core.

    P.S. LOVE :)

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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
    4290 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 5:10 pm
    Gomay: I`d like to see the passages of the Bible where it says slavery is only acceptable as a payment of debt. Could you reference them please?

    Because passages such as Exodus 12:44 and Exodus 21:2 talk about "buying" slaves, which suggests trading and purchasing, like you would buy a loaf of bread.

    And Leviticus 25:44-47 explicitly states that you can`t use fellow Israelites as slaves. It`s OK to buy slaves from other neighbouring countries though.

    So clearly your debt thing is just not true.
    Why do you have to lie to defend your religion?

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    Wibble4321 Male 40-49
    414 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 5:34 pm
    Why do people not recognise religion for what is it? Social control of the uneducated. Religion was brought about as a form of social control within communities that were uneducated to instill a form of social value. It is ard to convince someone of the authority of Fred who says you did a bad thing and must be punished. It is much easier to say you will go to `Hell` and be punished by `God` neither of which you can see or argue with.
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    ammit13fma Male 18-29
    276 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 6:09 pm
    ok I read and reread the arctile, is this a document all students have to sign or did eh do something?
    I agree the school should not be able to punsih astudent for what happens out side of the school and its afterschool fuinctios but they only mentioned hew had a fgirlfriend and did not say he had engaged in drinking or sex, so what happened?
    and how is what happened if off school groudns and not at a school function grounds for school involvement?
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    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 7:43 pm
    vv Then why comment on your apathy to read the comments?
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    fancylady Female 30-39
    864 posts
    May 10, 2009 at 10:25 pm
    Thanks Wibble for seeing what so many people fail to see ,but unfortunately as you know you can`t convince a believer of anything `their belief is not based on evidence it`s based on a deep seated need to believe .i think it`s sad that people need to have religion and god in their lives as I`m sure they would feel that the lack of god in my life is sad.Of course there was a time when all people believed in god and the church ruled ,this time was called the dark ages.
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
    3069 posts
    May 11, 2009 at 2:27 am
    ammit13fma - "and how is what happened if off school groudns and not at a school function grounds for school involvement?"

    Well not sure how it works in the states, but here in good old blighty they`d probably be breaking the rule of `bringing the school into dispripute` - which is a rule that lots of schools/workplaces include so that they can hold you to account for things you do whether it`s in their time/grounds or not.


    I`m an athiest, I don`t really like organised religion at all - but as long as no one is trying to impose their beliefs on me, I see no reason to try and imposed mine on them either. Which generally works out OK here in the UK as we don`t have as many fundamentalists as you do in the US. Lots of Christians seem to think only other religions like Islam have fundamentalists, whereas I think Christians have more than their own share too...especially in the US it seems.

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    lytesend Female 13-17
    194 posts
    May 11, 2009 at 7:05 am
    *clears throat*
    It`s a Christian school. So I ask, WHY THE HELL ARE YOU PEOPLE SUPRISED? I`m speaking from experience, they`re Nazis. You can get expelled for doing anything they don`t like, must private schools don`t have to have grounds for expulsion as long as the Board of Directors says it`s okay. If a teacher finds out you smoked pot five years before you started attending there, you can get expelled. And, by the way, parents can sign the forms instead of students, i`s legal. :3
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    kirstoner Female 18-29
    535 posts
    May 11, 2009 at 8:54 am
    Do private schools in America really get that anal retentive? I went to a private, Catholic, all-girls school and comparatively, we were heathens. :P
    We had dances, sports days and performed plays/musicals with all-boys schools. Hell, we even spoke frankly & openly about birth control and sex in R.E. With a male teacher.
    And to top it all off we used "rock" music in many of our classes. Including in the ever popular Dance class.
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    Zeckal Male 18-29
    118 posts
    May 11, 2009 at 12:09 pm
    And this is where I have to say one thing.
    Stop being so tight-a$$ed.
    I hate it when people that can be related to me in anyways are so unreasonable. (I consider myself a christian, but do not conform to the stereotype)
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    skyblue_15 Female 18-29
    193 posts
    May 11, 2009 at 6:21 pm
    Dancing and rock music? Seriously? I`ve heard country songs that were worse than rock music.
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    dairy Male 18-29
    382 posts
    May 12, 2009 at 8:29 am
    Of course, this is justr another comment on a tiny website which wont get out to anyone that matters, so i dont even know why im bothering...i dunno. but yeah, its the people that follow religion that cause the problem, and abuse the core values of that religion. maddog, if your going to say that the whole of religion is evil, it doesnt make sense!! This statement i think is hardpressed to be proved wrong: SOME parts of christianity teach kindness and compassion. how could this be evil. it may just be a semantical point, but at least modify what you said out of respect for the millions of christians who live in-offensive, non-radical lives, who simply believe in god and the afterlife. going to church on a sunday and believeing in god doesnt make you a sheep, or a zombie, or an idiot, so show a little decorum please. dairy: AWAAAY!
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    dairy Male 18-29
    382 posts
    May 12, 2009 at 8:32 am
    But, of course the school is COMPLETELY INSANE!! it made me so unbelievably agitated that the principal can just bare-facedly limit this kids freedom!! i think its fundamentally wrong to be so straight-laced as it will hinder and stunt your growth as a human being, and going to dances form and mold children growing up into well rounded and useful members of society. its also, as a `minor` aside, FUN!! but i begrugingly accept that if the school gives you a contract to sign, and you sign it, that you have to stick by their rules, but if it doesnt explicitly say these are extended to life outside the school then it is both illegal and morally disgusting.
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    chunkymonkie Male 13-17
    670 posts
    May 12, 2009 at 3:48 pm
    its actually kind of funny, cuz i go to a private Catholic school and sometimes in the middle of class the teacher turns the radio on to a rock station
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    Zerocyde Male 18-29
    3256 posts
    May 20, 2009 at 9:58 pm
    Good for him. Way to stand up against ignorance.

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