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143 Responses to Mancow Gets Waterboarded

  1. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    May 22, 2009 at 2:47 pm
    Link: Mancow Gets Waterboarded - Mancow Muller of the Mancow & Cassidy show, tries out waterboarding. I forsee an IAB debate on this!
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    Tdogg111 Male 13-17
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    May 23, 2009 at 6:07 pm
    its terrible to do, but then again the people who deserved it did much more terrible things. hard to say where i stand
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    Dextrine Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 6:08 pm
    `tswadappens
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    ajd121 Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 6:16 pm
    4 seconds? What a joke. Mancow is a deusch.
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    FitzySpyder Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 6:19 pm
    OH OH! do me next!!!
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    screaminbean Male 13-17
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    May 23, 2009 at 6:32 pm
    This is the bottom line. Waterboarding is torture. End of story.

    Really, one of the supporters (or should I say former) of this "technique" could only last 4ish seconds. Ridiculous that it is still an issue.

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    reidcook1000 Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 6:36 pm
    grow balls, mancow.
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    emzrok Female 13-17
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    May 23, 2009 at 6:40 pm
    i got nervous just watching it. eeh. and:

    "its terrible to do, but then again the people who deserved it did much more terrible things. hard to say where i stand"
    -------
    some of the people they do this to they dont even know for sure that they`re guilty. sometimes theyre only trying to get a confession out of them. it`s cruel and if you were the one being waterboarded, you`d know that it`s not right to do to anyone, despite what that person may or may have not done in the past.

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    vorpalsword Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 6:47 pm
    only a small percentage of prisoners in those prisons are actually terrorists, and almost none of them are given a fair trial. So lots of innocent people (innocent until proven guilty) are being tortured
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    leesah Female 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 6:49 pm
    Yeah, sure, it`s torture, so we shouldn`t be doing it... on our citizens. If we have reason to suspect someone who isn`t protected by our Constitution (by being a citizen) and waterboarding is more likely to get a confession, then so be it.
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    Immigrant Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 6:54 pm
    And Republicanism gets kicked in the nuts for what, the third time in as many months?

  12. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    May 23, 2009 at 6:56 pm
    "some of the people they do this to they dont even know for sure that they`re guilty. sometimes theyre only trying to get a confession out of them."

    For the record, Waterboarding was NEVER used to extract confessions. The records show this was only used to extract information on al-qaeda from those who freely admitted they were part of the 9/11 plot and wouldn`t give us al-qaeda "secrets" (like where bin laden was hiding).

    John McCain certainly received torture much more hideous than this, and Navy Seals are waterboarded as part of their survival training. Yes, It makes the person feel like they are drowning, Even though they aren`t. Simply put, It`s not "life threatening". It`s just very very uncomfortable.

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    NOCASH Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 7:04 pm
    completely innocent people were waterboarded 80 plus times in some cases in attempts to gain information or confessions. even if it isnt "life threatening" its still wrong. its sad bush stooped to this level but not at all surprising.
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    DarkFerret Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 7:07 pm
    i guess i would like to have it done to me so i could see what it is like...
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    Zerocyde Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 7:15 pm
    It`s not a lasting injury, it`s not something that`s gonna kill the person, but it still seems really pooty.

    I just think that if we (USA) wanna be this sort of "shining beacon of humanity" this, "perfect example of a way of life" then we need to just quit being stubborn and look for ways to get things done that don`t involve human suffering of any kind.

    We don`t have an "eye for an eye" legal system for a reason.

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    Dstructur Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 7:18 pm
    It doesn`t matter if you think it`s justifiable or not. That form of interrogation is illegal under international law. Any country that practices it should be held accountable by the United Nations.
  17. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    May 23, 2009 at 7:18 pm
    NOCASH: If you`re are going to paint Bush with that critical brush, Then Pelosi, Reid, And many others who knew and approved of these tactics are in the same painting.

    We did get very useful information from this and, In nearly 8 years, We have not been attacked again.
    You may call it horrible, But it worked and didn`t harm any detainees. These are NOT citizens, They aren`t even POWs.

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    May 23, 2009 at 7:26 pm
    "...then we need to just quit being stubborn and look for ways to get things done that don`t involve human suffering of any kind."

    You can`t stop human suffering, It`s like trying to hold the wind in your hand. Platitudes and Rhetoric only go so far, Sometimes you have to get mad dog mean to survive. That`s just life, It`s not fair.

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    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 7:27 pm
    Ahaha, the man`s a pussy... not saying I`d be able to do what he did, but still. :P
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    SilverThread Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2009 at 7:31 pm
    Well I would rather be water boarded than decapitated for damn sure but I would rather not engage in the sort of activity that might result in either.

    It`s sure as hell not easy to claim that we`re the good guys when we`re doing something like this, in truth my thinking is that when you`re at war with someone, you go in with the understanding that enemy combatants are targets to be killed and that`s it.

    If I were water boarded, by someone that person would become my enemy for life, I would not likely ever foster any feelings of understanding toward them and for that reason I think that instead of torturing our captured enemies for information, we treat them as honorable foes and allow them to die fighting.

    This would mean taking no prisoners. If they wish to surrender, then they surrender with the intention of cooperating with us in every way we ask. If they refuse to cooperate then we do not abuse or mistreat them. We give them the dignity of an honorable death.

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    justjason44 Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2009 at 7:31 pm
    Hey NOCASH...

    That bit about people being waterboarded 80 times... Make sure you put that in context.. That mean 80 times water was dumped on their face. Not 80 days they were subjected to the "torture" As well there were 3 that got it repeatedly... THREE out of how many detainees? Small percentage. But go on with your half facts I`m sure there are plenty out there who`ll buy it.

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    kevinmiller0 Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 7:31 pm
    pussy.
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    Zerocyde Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 7:37 pm
    @CrakrJak

    We can put robots on drating mars but not waterboarding anyone anymore is absolutely impossible?

    Bullpoo. The "the way everything works now is as good as it`s ever gonna get and if you even hint at looking for a better way then you`re a drating commie" mentality needs to change. The world changes, every day mankind`s collective knowledge of how the world works evolves, gets more accurate, if governments can`t keep up, then we are in for one bumpy future.

    I`m not saying waterboarding is right or waterboarding is wrong, I`m saying that the fact that we don`t have a better solution by now is drating pathetic.

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    screaminbean Male 13-17
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    May 23, 2009 at 7:45 pm
    @ NOCASH, you tell it like it is. Kudos to you. And BTW have you ever read Daily Kos? good site. Think you would like it.
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    The_Garuness Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 7:46 pm
    yeah, you think your great.
    in this fudged up world we live in, i say use it on the lowest of low-life on this pathetic excuse of a planet.
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    osirisascend Male 40-49
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    May 23, 2009 at 7:51 pm
    Okay.
    Being the active military person here, I feel the need to weigh in.

    I, and every single person in my unit have voluntarily experienced what you saw in the video to understand exactly what was going to happen to Taliban we captured that were gong to end up at Gitmo.

    To every single person here who called Mancow a pussy, FU*K YOU.

    I m a trained soldier.

    A professional badass.

    The beret I wear with my dress uniform just happens to be green.

    I am easily one of the toughest motherfu*kers that walk on this planet.

    When it was my turn, I lasted sixteen seconds.

    Sixteen seconds.

    And I am trained and conditioned to take a physical beating that would easily kill most of you.

    Yet after sixteen seconds of this being done to me, I was begging for mercy.

    He`s not a pussy.

    He had the balls to see if it was really as bad as he`s heard, and he found out.

    So until one of YOU experiences it, I`m going to have to ask you to kindly shut the hell up since YOU HAVE NO IDEA.

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    Zerocyde Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 7:54 pm
    You`re right OldOllie, the people who did that deserve to have their faces bashed in IMO. And if someone WERE to go bash their drating faces in, I would laugh my ass off and cheer.

    The problem comes when it is LEGAL GOVERNMENT PRACTICE to do so. How can we tell people like that not to hurt others to get what they want when we hurt people to get what we want?

    I think that the use of waterboarding is most likely necessary right now, but we should NOT be satisfied with it.

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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 7:57 pm
    *note to self*
    Don`t run into osirisascend in a dark alley. : /

    Well [email protected] I almost drowned when I was a little kid and I imagine I wouldn`t last a second of waterboarding.

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    dairy Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 8:01 pm
    BAHAHAHAHAHAHA, oooooooooh MAN i fricking love osiris` input, SO. EFFING. FUNNY.

    Mate, seriously, im not gonna tell you to shut up, since i love reading your posts, because they are such a crock of rubbish they are hilarious.

    you say stop calling him a pussy? you can try this out at home, i poured it over my friends face and he went for over 30 seconds, and then the bucket of water ran out. i only managed it for 13 seconds. 3 seconds down from a (alleged) green beret? I think ill go pat myself on the back for that!!

    Keep up the good work, you half-baked squaddie boy!!

  30. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    May 23, 2009 at 8:14 pm
    Hey, dairy, do you speak German? No? Well in that case, you`re welcome.
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    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 8:16 pm
    "To every single person here who called Mancow a pussy, FU*K YOU."

    Hey wait now, I was calling him a pussy because he thought it was no big deal before he did it. I was also including myself in the puss category because I wouldn`t even agree to get on the table in the first place.

    Just thought I`d clear up my input. >_>;

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    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 8:18 pm
    "you can try this out at home, i poured it over my friends face"

    Something tells me you`re not trained in the art of interrogative techniques and thus not exactly qualified to give valuable information thereof.

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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2009 at 8:33 pm
    OldOllie:

    Whilst I appreciate the point you where trying to make with your earlier link, it`s simply not acceptable to link that sort of material here.

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    osirisascend Male 40-49
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    May 23, 2009 at 8:34 pm
    @ dairy:

    You continue to prove yourself to be a self-righteous piece of eurotrash with each posting.

    Yes, I am in the military. I am an NCO near the top of the food chain.

    However, I also hold a graduate degree from Trinity College at the University of Dublin on YOUR side of the pond.

    You however are obviously nothing more than a football hooligan with a semester or two of college under his belt who is quite happy with his station in life as the most intelligent member of your little band of twats who look up to you because you`ve read a book or two.

    Piss off.

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    osirisascend Male 40-49
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    May 23, 2009 at 8:36 pm
    I`m in the chat room right now dairy... why don`t you pop in and talk to me live?

    Unless you`re afraid that I`ll eviscerate you in front of the very kids you`re trying so hard to impress...

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    SilverThread Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2009 at 8:38 pm
    Whoa...we have a Chat Room?!
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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 8:39 pm
    " That form of interrogation is illegal under international law. Any country that practices it should be held accountable by the United Nations. "

    HAHAHAHA wait your serious?

    Whats the UN gonna do? Write a letter?

    "because they are such a crock of rubbish they are hilarious. "

    I can vouch for osiris, if theres anything he isnt its a crock

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    JMaybury Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 8:40 pm
    vvvvvvvvv

    You can disembowel a man with just your words. Army or not, that`s funky.

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    Hergs Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 8:40 pm
    We have a char room? since when?)-|
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    emzrok Female 13-17
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    May 23, 2009 at 8:40 pm
    I THINK...everyone here needs to watch zeitgeist.
  41. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 8:41 pm
    yes a chat room. right by the random button
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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 8:43 pm
    "I THINK...everyone here needs to watch zeitgeist. "

    I watched 22 minutes of zeitgeist and pointed out 31 errors. It should be noted 5 minutes of the 22 were the intro.

    Zeitgeist is bullpoo.

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    emzrok Female 13-17
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    May 23, 2009 at 8:47 pm
    well, it won an award in the activist`s film festival, so i`m going to go ahead and put some stock into it. a lot of stock, actually.
  44. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 8:50 pm
    "the activist`s film festival,"

    Thats as valuable as an Emmy in my book. Which isnt valuable at all.
    Simple mistakes such as the date of the birth of Jesus and having a good 10 minutes spent on that seriously add to the lack of quality of the film. Not to mention that most of his conspiracy theories come from Erza Pounds Anti-semetic movement that re originated post WW1 with the Nye Committee. So its really mostly old information

  45. Profile photo of emzrok
    emzrok Female 13-17
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    May 23, 2009 at 8:51 pm
    2/3 of the movie isn`t on anything you`re talking about (religion), and i`m an aetheist anyway, so the first part didn`t really matter to me.
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    emzrok Female 13-17
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    May 23, 2009 at 8:51 pm
    wow, i just spelled atheist wrong. my bad.
  47. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 8:53 pm
    well the anti-semetic movement was actually dealing with the banks. the whole JP morgan, dupont, rockerfeller,etc. It started off with E. pounds critique on the Jewish banking system.

    Then in the 1930s the NYE committee tried to prove that the bankers caused WW1 and around this time the similar propaganda that Zeitgeist used was used back then

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    emzrok Female 13-17
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    May 23, 2009 at 9:01 pm
    I`m going to be truthful and say I have very little of an idea as to what you just said. But, everything Zeitgeist says makes sense to me. As far as i can tell, it uses facts to simply cast a different light onto situations that most people see in a single light because of what they`ve been told. And that`s what I like about it. And I believe most of it because it gives facts to the other side of the issue, while the one side that`s been accepted as the truth doesn`t have neartly as much proof to prove it. It just makes sense to me.
  49. Profile photo of emzrok
    emzrok Female 13-17
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    May 23, 2009 at 9:01 pm
    And, you should really watch the whole movie before you critique it and judge it as wrong.
  50. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 9:03 pm
    ive seen it, and it has a bunch of factual flaws. not to mention those flaws arent even his flaws but rather mistakes he got from elsewhere.

    If you strip it of the dramatic music and all that other bullpoo, very little of its true.

    He just wants you to wear tin foil around the Fed. Reserve

  51. Profile photo of emzrok
    emzrok Female 13-17
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    May 23, 2009 at 9:05 pm
    Okay, what are some factual flaws? I`m serious, I want the truth, I don`t care who`s right or wrong. I watched it because i wanted some truth.
  52. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 9:09 pm
    drat i have to go back and watch it?
    Wait a few years take American history and then look at the revisionist and post revisionist view of history.

    That will more than likely lead you to a middle ground between zeitgeist and me. Its 12ish, I saw zeitgeist a few years ago, I just remember starting to write down flaws and filling up 1 sheet in 30 minutes.

    The most basic things i saw constantly were misleading quotes and statistics that arent accurate (either accurate sources or used in an era where the banks were being blamed for everything)

  53. Profile photo of emzrok
    emzrok Female 13-17
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    May 23, 2009 at 9:14 pm
    How did you know everything he said was immediately inaccurate? Even the statistics? I don`t know, I`ll be taking that class next year, but anyway, I dont care about the stats or quotes. The basic facts are all the matter, and he couldn`t possibly get an ENTIRE idea wrong without extensive research. The whole government-taking-over-the-world thing at the end is far-fetched, but for the most part, the movie seems accurate to me.
  54. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    May 23, 2009 at 9:15 pm
    Maddog, I apologize if my post violated the rules. However, when NOCASH referred to terrorists like Kalid Sheik Mohammed - who masterminded the 9/11 attacks and personally beheaded Daniel Pearl, then bragged about both - as "innocent," I wanted to prove, without any ambiguity, how ridiculous that was.

    When we captured KSM, and he was smirking and bragging about more 9/11-style attacks on the way, and saying he wouldn`t talk till he got to New York and met with his lawyer, I would have skinned him alive with red-hot pliers.

    Waterboarding was done on only three admitted terrorists. It was not done for vengeance, or punishment, or fun, or to extract confessions. It was done to get information that saved thousands of lives. Proof of this is in classified CIA memos that Obama is refusing to declassify. He claims waterboarding didn`t provide us with useful intelligence. Releasing the memos would either prove that he is right, or they would prove that he is an unscrupulous liar.

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    punkipenguin Female 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 9:19 pm
    i read an article about this; a guy voluntarily underwent waterboarding and described it all. still weird to watch it happen though.
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    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 9:21 pm
    Punki, can you find the link to the article?

    If so, you should submit it as a link.

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    patticakes Female 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 9:24 pm
    Well, it`s not meant to be pleasant. These terrorists only understand force. They need something that will get them talking if they know something that will save innocent American lives. But, wait. Some people hate their own country so that means the lives of terrorists have more value than any American life. Leftism, Liberalism, call it what you want, it is a dangerous virus.
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    vorpalsword Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 9:27 pm
    water boarding can be ineffective in some cases, id confess to killing tupac if i was going to be waterboarded if i didn`t. btw dont kick osiris in the leg, you might hit his gigantic balls and even then he wouldnt even cringe if you did
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 9:30 pm
    On Torture being used "To Prevent another Attack."
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    ajd121 Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 9:32 pm
    Cmon 4 seconds, that`s pretty pathetic considering he is going to go bragging to everyone that he has been waterboarded and now he knows how it feels.I once went into the with my shirt one and got knocked over by a wave, and my shirt covered my face for about 20 second and I couldn`t get it off. There was no one around and I was trying to breath but I couldn`t, and it was a lot more stressful than what Mancow went through because I thought there was a chance I might actually drown.
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    Mjustin Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 9:34 pm
    Yeah, Zeitgeist doesn`t have much to offer in the way of truth. I remember when I watched it. When I got to the second segment (the 9/11 truth segment) and I realized I had pretty much just taken the film`s word for it in the first segment, and that I wasn`t as much of a skeptic as I thought. The movie is basically a few facts floating in a sea of BS.
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    ajd121 Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 9:35 pm
    I`m pretty sure waterboarding is used for information rather than confession.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2009 at 9:36 pm
    Just me talking, but I am f*cking disgusted that this is approved for I-A-B. I`m the personal antichrist of censorship, healthy debate all the way, but this is sick.

    F*ck this, I`m going for a walk.

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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 9:37 pm
    ok just to prove a point im watching a part of zeitgeist now: Lets go with WTC

    1. Yes there were predicted attacks and people did warn about 9/11, along with 9/7,9/10,9/13, and several years before that too.
    2. US gov`t sends money to leaders around the world for various diplomatic reasons. To assume they knew about those transfered is farfetched, in addition in a hi-jack, the terrorist wouldnt use mastercards to pay for the planes. Now that there were possible errors in the names? Sure.

    3. Ap flight school employee questionable source.
    4. And my biggest problem with the movie. The titanium cant burn. If you take into account velocity and friction and then add that to the existing fuel temperature, it very easily could burn titanium.
    5. FBI? Confiscate tapes? no way!

    I could do more but i dont want to. Just know that many of their sources and presentation of information aren`t exactly accurate as its portrayed.


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    JMaybury Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 9:38 pm
    I`ve submitted the link of the in detail account of water-boarding, but for those interested now.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LPubUCJv...


    It`s a lot clearer in this video about what actually happens.

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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 9:39 pm
    woah...Mjustin and I have similar views on something....

    *Waits for universe to tear up into a ball of flames*

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    baileyabb Female 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 9:42 pm
    That sucks..I had a near drowning experience once. (Got stuck under a few waves) And that was the scariest poo ever.
    F*ck that.
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    vorpalsword Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 9:47 pm
    i agree prime zeitgeist the movie is a joke, zeitgeist addendum is preety cool till the guy says that the solution is to remove currency ,WTF?
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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 9:51 pm
    the addendum is my strong point. I love economics.

    What he didnt tell you was that removing the currency has been done to a sense, and it failed miserably. The fed reseve, for as stupid as some members are (yes you greenspan), is the best system out there.

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    mehh Female 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 9:54 pm
    The reason torture is not an effective method of interrogation is because more often than not it is used to get people to confess to crimes regardless of whether or not they did it. Look at witch hunts in the middle ages. No one would think any of those women were witches nowadays but back then thousands of women admitted to witch-craft under torture.
  71. Profile photo of NOCASH
    NOCASH Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 9:55 pm
    crakrjak: you are right, you guys have been safe for a while now, but the truth in lies are staring to rise, no offense but america hasn`t exactly painted itself the best picture after the bush adminstration, i do see where your logic is though.

    justjason44: if you want a fully cited essay maybe you should try looking somewhere other then the comment section on a web page. sorry for my opinion and knowledge of the topic.

    screaminbean: thank you i appreciate that:D

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    sfcg Male 30-39
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    May 23, 2009 at 10:20 pm
    That`s not waterboarding. This is waterboarding.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITJSVQjd9...

    All I can say is that after a few hours of this I`d probably rather have my tounge cut out. Still, it`s better than the human rights of just a century ago.

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    SuperSmash Male 18-29
    3758 posts
    May 23, 2009 at 10:25 pm
    You know how you think, "Well, it`s got to be safe, they have an EMT there"? When this occurs in interrogations, I`m sure they have medical personnel nearby to intervene in case it goes to far. They don`t want to kill anybody-- if only for purely selfish reasons.

    It probably sucks. You think may die. But, you won`t. It`s your brain going into panic mode.

    Here`s the question: Would you submit someone to this if you thought there was a chance it would help you saved a loved one`s life? Even if it didn`t work, would you regret that it was an option you didn`t pursue?

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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 10:42 pm
    Rachel deconstructs the "Ticking Time Bomb" Defense

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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 10:49 pm
    *headdesk headdesk headdesk*

    Goddamn politics...

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    TheFriedCoke Male 13-17
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    May 23, 2009 at 10:54 pm
    I`m not going to argue the fact of to do this or not to do this. All I will say is just watching this is somewhat disturbing. Maybe if it wasn`t so late I would be able to max this to 1000 characters...
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    SuperSmash Male 18-29
    3758 posts
    May 23, 2009 at 11:25 pm
    *too far
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    SuperSmash Male 18-29
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    May 23, 2009 at 11:26 pm
    *saved = save
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    urbanlegend Male 18-29
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    May 24, 2009 at 12:09 am
    wow that looked horrific
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    ScottSerious Male 18-29
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    May 24, 2009 at 12:27 am
    is it the law that all radio hosts sound the same
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    OrangeCrow Female 18-29
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    May 24, 2009 at 12:53 am
    Haha good question, ScottSerious.
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    thelonious Male 40-49
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    May 24, 2009 at 1:04 am
    Well, I guess if you set out to prove that it was torture, we can`t really be that surprised at reaching that conclusion so soon.
  83. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 1:08 am
    Waterboarding is specifically listed in the Geneva Convention as an information gathering technique. It is not mentioned in the section regarding methods of torture that are violations. I`m sure it can be left up to interpretation just as any other document, or perhaps our techniques were different than the actual definition of "waterboarding". It just seems like, in my humble opinion, that Obama and his administration is trying to gain favor throughout the world by outing us for all this poo that may or may not be wrong and saying "Sorry guys. We won`t do it anymore."
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    lostinkorea Female 30-39
    3727 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 2:27 am
    Wow, dairy pretty much got owned by osirisascend...
    Moral of the story? Don`t try to talk about something you know NOTHING about.

    I believe this is an appropriate interrogation techniques of terror suspects. These human rights groups are so drated up in the head and brainwashed that they don`t know their ass from their head. How can you fight for the rights of someone that wants to kill you. Anyway, this form of torture is not new and has been used in Italy, Cambodia, China and too many other places to mention. I can`t figure out is why a radio show host is glorifying this? This is serious and shouldn`t be used as a way to boost ratings for a dumbass show.

    Hey, I thought we only dealt with mindless drivel on here???????

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    0Sigma0 Female 30-39
    525 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 2:31 am
    That guy reminds me of Tom Arnold.
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    bankvole Male 30-39
    959 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 3:47 am
    Good grief, lostinkorea, you kind of defeated your own argument when you cite those bastions of democracy and human rights Cambodia and China.

    How can a radio show simulate waterboarding, when the whole idea is to make the victim think he is about to drown. I`m sure the radio presenter was fairly confident he`d be okay.

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    lostinkorea Female 30-39
    3727 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 4:04 am
    I didn`t defeat my argument. What happens in war and to terrorist is a fact of life. I am sorry they are terrorist. I am sorry we have to torture them to make them talk. I am sorry, it`s war, it`s hell....what do you expect???
  88. Profile photo of dissero
    dissero Male 18-29
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    May 24, 2009 at 4:17 am
    @bankvole: Even though you know you`re not drowning, your body doesn`t.
  89. Profile photo of RobSwindol
    RobSwindol Male 30-39
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    May 24, 2009 at 4:24 am
    Lostinkorea, It`s one thing to torture a known terrorist. But most of the people that we tortured at GTMO were not terrorists. More than 65% of the prisoners at GTMO were not captured on the battlefield, but were bought with American dollars from other dictatorships that had already had these people in prison for various reasons. More then 400 of the tortured prisoners at GTMO were not only not found guilty of any crimes by our judicial system, but were also never even accused. They were being detained without charge, on American soil, and that is simply unconstitutional.

    I do agree that drastic times call for drastic measures. But you must remember, WE started the war in Iraq, which makes US the terrorists, not them. If any one of our soldiers had been treated in the manor that we treated these prisoners at GTMO, we would have wanted blood.

    There are laws of War for a reason. These laws of war are Established by the UN, an organization berthed by our very country.

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    DrCribbens Female 18-29
    103 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 4:34 am
    You should all read Fiasco by Thomas E. Ricks. It should be required reading in all American schools. Waterboarding is just the tip of the iceberg.

    It depresses me that people on this forum can justify torture because it isn`t being done on American citizens or that it`s OK because Cambodia have done it in the past. It depresses me that you think that torture is OK because it`s being done to terrorists (based on the fact, presumably, that they`re Muslims and live in the Middle East).

    It depresses me that most Americans here probably still think Iraq was invaded in the first place because it was responsible for 9/11.

  91. Profile photo of kevinmiller0
    kevinmiller0 Male 18-29
    171 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 4:48 am
    primetimekin: How`s that `6 inched deep` frontal cortex doing?
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    kevinmiller0 Male 18-29
    171 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 5:07 am
    osirisascend: You`re a pussy too. I`m going to post my resume to show why you should believe that too. Grr.
  93. Profile photo of lukas1051
    lukas1051 Male 18-29
    3426 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 6:02 am
    Why is it such a big deal to people? It doesn`t affect any of us in any way. So why bother giving a drat?
  94. Profile photo of lostinkorea
    lostinkorea Female 30-39
    3727 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 6:36 am
    ""It depresses me that most Americans here probably still think Iraq was invaded in the first place because it was responsible for 9/11.""

    Who thinks that invading Iraq and 9-11 are related?? They are two totally separate entities...

    RobSwindol: I agree with the first part of your comment but this is a different time. WE are not terrorists. How can you say that??? The middleeast has been at war since the beginning of time. We happen to come along, (under false pretenses,yes) and we took care of some issues and people that should have been taken care of a long time ago. Hussein was a bloodthirsty dictator. He was not some poor little helpless head of state who we just came in to bully. GET REAL!!!!

    As far as LUKAS1051: you are clueless, can I live in your rose colored world????

  95. Profile photo of osirisascend
    osirisascend Male 40-49
    3045 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 6:39 am
    @ kevinmiller0: Before you post here, perhaps it would be nice if you either a) had an original idea... or b) had a purpose other than trolling.

    But since you don`t, I suppose that you`ll have to just live with your reputation here as a useless douchebag.

    Considering that you obviously served at some point, I can only assume that you came out from behind whatever desk or counter you were normally behind to have a photo taken for the folks at home so they could "see you in the war".

    You`re a disgrace.

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    lostinkorea Female 30-39
    3727 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 6:54 am
    And furthermore....to DrCribbens:

    ""It depresses me that people on this forum can justify torture because it isn`t being done on American citizens or that it`s OK because Cambodia have done it in the past. It depresses me that you think that torture is OK because it`s being done to terrorists (based on the fact, presumably, that they`re Muslims and live in the Middle East).""

    THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID. I was saying that we did not invent waterboarding. I said it was used in Italy, the Spanish inquisition and Cambodia. And we are not assuming these terrorist resonsible for 9-11 were muslim. We know this as a fact. This has to do with them being terrorist. Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist too and he was dealt with. Come on, think about what you are writing...

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    emzrok Female 13-17
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    May 24, 2009 at 6:55 am
    WIN for Robswindol. And osiris, sorry, but you really can`t just start ragging on someone and assume that they`re a douchebag just because they seem to disagree with you (saying it in that way was pretty unecessary, but still).
  98. Profile photo of emzrok
    emzrok Female 13-17
    1306 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 7:03 am
    speaking of terrorists...does anyone know if they`re ALL actually terrorists? what i mean is, do all, ALL of the people we`re fighting over there who will shoot back at us, are they fighting us because they want us to die? because theyre terrorists? or are they people forced into it out of fear, or do they get paid? what exactly is the situation?
  99. Profile photo of kevinmiller0
    kevinmiller0 Male 18-29
    171 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 7:11 am
    osirisascend: I`d be mad at me too if I were you. Thanks for the laugh, I`ll be smiling about this one for a while.
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    kevinmiller0 Male 18-29
    171 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 7:22 am
    osirisascend: And I`m sure you did a lot of fighting with that rank weighing you down.
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    unsub Female 18-29
    924 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 7:49 am
    Lostinkorea: "I believe this is an appropriate interrogation techniques of terror suspects."

    Torture can never be justified. It`s a violation of basic human rights.
    Furthermore, it is not useful in extracting information because people would confess to anything and/or give wrong information just to make the torture stop.

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 8:01 am
    Nocash: "...the truth in lies are staring to rise, no offense but america hasn`t exactly painted itself the best picture"

    You have to take into account who has been doing the "Painting" lately, Obama. He wants everyone to keep blaming Bush. It`s the politics of distraction, He and Biden, Pelosi, Reid, etc.. Have been screwing up so badly lately they`re running out of excuses. The recent waterboarding memo leak is a prime example and Pelosi got caught in the crossfire. Virtually no one in the senate want`s "Gitmo" closed and for good reason. These detainees aren`t citizens, aren`t POWs, They are terrorists. Bringing them here and forcing them to be tried with rights they aren`t privledged to, Would be a joke.

  103. Profile photo of chillimac
    chillimac Male 18-29
    438 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 8:11 am
    oh christ that was hilarious!
  104. Profile photo of Ziggyzaggy
    Ziggyzaggy Male 13-17
    32 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 8:38 am
    They are just trying to give him a drink of water.
  105. Profile photo of QueenZira
    QueenZira Female 18-29
    2228 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 8:40 am
    Congress hasn`t closed Gitmo yet because they want a bigger say in how detainees should be handled, not because they agree w/ Reps and their lunatic fear mongering. Apparently bush handled everything through executive fiat and cut congress out and now congress wants more authority.

    They are not "Enemy Combatants" either, that is a completely new bush manufactured phraseology meant to keep detainees in a legal limbo. It is shoddily created and will not withstand legal muster. Specifically the War Crimes prosecutions that Bushco ought to be charged with.

  106. Profile photo of dairy
    dairy Male 18-29
    382 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 8:41 am
    Hahaha, Osiris: You`ve still got it, this is why your fun to prod! :D

    Also, there is a chat feature?!

  107. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
    7935 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 9:34 am
    "There are laws of War for a reason. These laws of war are Established by the UN, an organization berthed by our very country."

    Do we have to keep bringing up the UN? They dont drating matter.

    "primetimekin: How`s that `6 inched deep` frontal cortex doing?"
    Funny you mention it because its been proven that intelligence actually deals with Dendrite density and not size. The highest IQ ever recorded actually had a below average sized frontal cortex. So thank you dippoo.

  108. Profile photo of DrCribbens
    DrCribbens Female 18-29
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    May 24, 2009 at 9:34 am
    Crackrjack: "These detainees aren`t citizens, aren`t POWs, They are terrorists. Bringing them here and forcing them to be tried with rights they aren`t privledged to, Would be a joke."

    I`m sorry, but that`s just hilarious. Does justice mean nothing to you? Innocent until proved guilty? Or are they guilty purely on the basis that they`ve been arrested, so they must be?

    Either they`re POWs, in which case any civilised society would treat them in accordance with the Geneva convention, or they`re not, in which case any civilised society would treat them in accordance with the rule of law. Not just lock them in a cage without telling them why they`re there and occasionally torturing them.

    And, while we`re on it, you seem to be inferring that it`s OK to do whatever you want with people as long as they`re not American citizens. Someone else on this forum said something similar. Are you real?

  109. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    May 24, 2009 at 9:36 am
    "Innocent until proved guilty?"

    Don`t file your taxes and tell me thats true

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    DrCribbens Female 18-29
    103 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 9:38 am
    lostinkorea: "Who thinks that invading Iraq and 9-11 are related??"

    Most of America.

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    DrCribbens Female 18-29
    103 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 9:41 am
    lostinkorea: "I believe this is an appropriate interrogation techniques of terror suspects. These human rights groups are so drated up in the head and brainwashed that they don`t know their ass from their head. How can you fight for the rights of someone that wants to kill you. Anyway, this form of torture is not new and has been used in Italy, Cambodia, China and too many other places to mention."

    I don`t think it`s unreasonable for me to infer from that quote that you are using how commonplace waterboarding is as a justification for it being used by America.

  112. Profile photo of Corpsecrank
    Corpsecrank Male 30-39
    930 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 9:49 am
    During WWII we hung people for using this and it was consider a war crime. But Bush thought this was acceptable to do to prisoners we took now. How is that right? Torture is not the answer. There are better ways to make people talk. And I can tell you right now if I was being tortured I would say exactly what the person wanted to hear be it the truth or a lie. So torture does not always get results.
  113. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
    7935 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 9:51 am
    "Thanks for proving my point. You`re still an idiot and still king of IAB forums."

    Let me try to reason with you on your level...

    lol yourafag!

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    kevinmiller0 Male 18-29
    171 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 9:57 am
    That`s your level. Have fun making stuff up that you know nothing about and feeling good about people actually believing you.
  115. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
    7935 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 10:05 am
    "Have fun making stuff up that you know nothing about"
    "primetimekin: How`s that `6 inched deep` frontal cortex doing?"

    What was that?

  116. Profile photo of kevinmiller0
    kevinmiller0 Male 18-29
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    May 24, 2009 at 10:07 am
    Check the comments you made about the video of the guy who had the spear in the head. Baiting me isn`t going to work. You are still a giant tool.
  117. Profile photo of kevinmiller0
    kevinmiller0 Male 18-29
    171 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 10:09 am
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning-Kru...


  118. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
    7935 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 10:20 am
    ok i saw the link, so apparently you still have issues from something that happened over a month ago.
    So instead addressing how my sarcasm flew over your head (and probably into the fisherman`s head), and that so far all your arguments have been mostly dogmatism, I`m just going assume you either have daddy issues or you are have late PMS.

    And the Dunning-Kruger effect doesnt apply since a choice isn`t being made. I`d go with the Kobe effect on this one which states, I`m Kobe, I`m better than you.

  119. Profile photo of kevinmiller0
    kevinmiller0 Male 18-29
    171 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 10:27 am
    Har har. But seriously, was it a month ago? People don`t forget.. =)
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    NOCASH Male 18-29
    423 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 10:56 am
    crakrjak: as long as you know for sure that they are terrorists i can see your reason and logic to waterboarding, im still opposed to it myself. for those they found innocent and were waterboarded anyways in attempts to gain information, i cant believe that they will take kindly to those actions and personally i believe that when that happened you probably made more motives and vendettas in the eyes of those terrorists still at large.

    as to the validity of my knowledge id just like to say it comes from a debate with my politics teacher, sorry for any inaccuracies or errors in my stats im not claiming them to be valid at all.

  121. Profile photo of yellowsquare
    yellowsquare Female 18-29
    1545 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 12:08 pm
    DrCribbens, please stop making sweeping generalizations (a la "Americans think they invaded Iraq because it had something to do with 9/11") because it makes your arguments much less credible.

    In fact, most Americans know that Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11, and we knew that a long time ago. If you`re going to sound intelligent, please make sure you`re informed of the facts. Thanks.

  122. Profile photo of osirisascend
    osirisascend Male 40-49
    3045 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 1:05 pm
    kevinmiller0: Only a desk jockey would display your level of asinine behavior, and lack of knowledge.

    If you WEREN`T a desk jockey, you`d realize that a) the type of unit I belong to is made up of mostly NCO`s, and b) Rank is meaningless. The BEST person for a task is the person assigned to that task.

    I`m not mad at you kevin, I`m unhappy that you`d troll someone who is supposed to be a brother in arms.

    You`re the type of soldier that volunteers for CSD just long enough to get the chance to expend a round or two so you can get your CAB and try to use it to impress one of the little State Department sluts hanging around the palace pool on Thursday night.

    Then you go back to sitting behind your desk, or standing behind your counter until your tour is done, then you`re the first one in line for the ride to the airport.

    I know your kind very well kevin.

    Like I said before, you`re a disgrace.


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    osirisascend Male 40-49
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    May 24, 2009 at 1:10 pm
    *continued*

    And by the way kevin, do you feel like a REAL MAN since the 13-17 year old girl with the Cookie Monster avatar has come to your defense?

    emzrok, Did you read any of what`s going on here? Or did you just decide to play referee because you find yourself attracted to kevin?

    Seriously, neither one of you is in a position to make the kind of ill-advised comments you have made, but it is the internet after all... any idiot can voice their opinion as you two have shown here.

    Look on the bright side Kevin... in a year or two she`ll probably be legal!

    Somehow, after looking at your latest default pic I don`t think that her being jailbait would slow you down at all.

    But that`s just MY opinion.

  124. Profile photo of DrCribbens
    DrCribbens Female 18-29
    103 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 2:46 pm
    Yellowsquare, the reason that the American government got so much support for the invasion of Iraq is because Bush said "Come on, they were behind 9/11!" and the American people said "Oh, OK then." Even when it was proved without a shadow of a doubt that Iraq had nothing at all to do with 9/11, most Americans kept believing it.

    Check out this link to a USA Today poll showing that 70% of Americans believed there was a link, despite the fact that everyone else knew there wasn`t.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-09-06-poll-iraq_x.htm

    And this Harris poll that shows that 64% of Americans think Saddam had strong links with Al-Qaeda, and almost half Americans thought he was directly involved helping the terrorists

    http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=544

    and t

  125. Profile photo of DrCribbens
    DrCribbens Female 18-29
    103 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 2:49 pm
    and this Washington Post poll that shows 69% of Americans thinking Saddam was personally involved in 9/11

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/vault/stories/data082303.htm

    They were the first three I looked at.

    So before you accuse me of being ill informed you might want to check your own facts. Thanks.

  126. Profile photo of lostinkorea
    lostinkorea Female 30-39
    3727 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 2:57 pm
    ""Sunday, May 24, 2009 2:46:02 PM
    Yellowsquare, the reason that the American government got so much support for the invasion of Iraq is because Bush said "Come on, they were behind 9/11!" and the American people said "Oh, OK then." Even when it was proved without a shadow of a doubt that Iraq had nothing at all to do with 9/11, most Americans kept believing it.

    Check out this link to a USA Today poll showing that 70% of Americans believed there was a link, despite the fact that everyone else knew there wasn`t.
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/...

    And this Harris poll that shows that 64% of Americans think Saddam had strong links with Al-Qaeda, and almost half Americans thought he was directly involved helping the terrorists""

    YES CRIBBENS...NUMBER ARE NEVER MADE UP ON THOSE POLLS EH? Initially, yes I think most Americans

  127. Profile photo of lostinkorea
    lostinkorea Female 30-39
    3727 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 2:59 pm
    *Continued*

    thought that the two went hand in hand but I figured out very quickly what Bush was up to and I think a lot of Americans did too. Come on we haven`t forgotten the what happened in the early 90`s with Hussein and Bush Sr.

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    BrimstoneOne Male 30-39
    2229 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 3:00 pm
    I wonder, has anyone on this forum looked up the meaning of the word terror and/or terrorist?

    Alot of the semantics and arguments made here are ... messed up. I could compare countries, but that be to easy.

  129. Profile photo of BrimstoneOne
    BrimstoneOne Male 30-39
    2229 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 3:04 pm
    "The great masses of the people will more likely fall for a big lie, than a small one." Adolf Hitler
  130. Profile photo of yellowsquare
    yellowsquare Female 18-29
    1545 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 3:47 pm
    DrCribbens, I have to question the credibility of your sources upon which you base your misguided opinion.

    That USA Today link is to an article reporting the Washington Post`s poll.

    The Washington Post`s poll was from 2003. And the Harris poll was from 2005. Your most current statistics are four years old. A lot changes in four years.

    And yes, 64% is a majority, but is it a big enough majority to make sweeping statements like, "all Americans think Iraq and 9/11 are linked"?

    No.

  131. Profile photo of SuperSmash
    SuperSmash Male 18-29
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    May 24, 2009 at 3:54 pm
    As an American who will readily admit that I was pretty eager to believe that Iraq had a link to 9/11, though it`s clear now that there wasn`t, I have to say that one of the main reasons was Colin Powell. He was one of the most trusted leaders in the United States and had served his country with great honor. So, if he said there was a link, I took him at his word.
  132. Profile photo of DrCribbens
    DrCribbens Female 18-29
    103 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 4:10 pm
    I didn`t say all Americans, I said most Americans. And last time I checked my calculator, 64% counts as "most".

    And yes, it was 2005 but that was *4 years* after it had been proved and widely publicised that there was no link.

    And lostinkorea, yes, you`re right. Harris is, along with Gallup, probably the most highly respected and influential polling company in the world, but they`re probably just making it all up. My bad.

  133. Profile photo of jtrebowski
    jtrebowski Male 40-49
    3359 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 4:32 pm
    As a Liberal, I still supported our decision to go into Afghanistan (in fact, I thought we should;ve gone into Pakistan and maybe even Saudi Arabia) but when we went into iraq, I knew in my heart,soul, and my brain that this was the wrong move, and a diversion to manipulate the American people. I hate to be so judgemental, but I just can`t get over this one. If you fell for Bush/Cheney?Rumsfeld, you`re just a freakin` mindless, lock-step, proliatarian number in a society that is just coming back from the brinks of Orwellian Fascism, and you probably still don`t know how lucky you are now. With that being said, HOW many days has it been since that spineless, brainless, cowardly diarreah-mouthed conservative that calls himself "Hannity" refused to man-up on his promise that he would be water-boarded? That stupid balless rooster-sucker has no business talking about what we should or should not do to gain intel.
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    piranhaboy67 Male 13-17
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    May 24, 2009 at 4:36 pm
    ZOMG!!!! my uncles on this!!!! hes the cassidy dude. uncle pat. he also invited mancow to our thanksgiving if anybody actually listens to that show... he didnt come. thank god. but seriously, do people actually listen 2 them?? my mom (cassidy`s sister) wont even listen!!! she listens 2 infomercials instead!! AHH!!! never thot id see my uncle on i-a-b tho...
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    The_Garuness Male 18-29
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    May 24, 2009 at 4:53 pm
    splash splash
  136. Profile photo of lostinkorea
    lostinkorea Female 30-39
    3727 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 5:44 pm
    Gallup Polls are best known for their accuracy in predicting the outcome of the current United States presidential election. A notable exception is the 1948 Thomas Dewey-Harry S. Truman election, where nearly all pollsters predicted a Dewey victory. The Gallup Poll also inaccurately projected a slim victory by Gerald Ford in 1976, where he lost to Jimmy Carter by a small margin.

    Yes, when the Gallup polls 100 people they really represent the majority eh? And of course everyone is so objective when it comes to these polls and NO ONE ever has an agenda....riiiiighhht! You are one of those people who believe the sky is falling if the majority of people believe it huh?

    Well hells bells it was in the newspaper and they polled people and they said the sky was falling so........IT MUST BE TRUE!!!!B-|

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    SuperSmash Male 18-29
    3758 posts
    May 24, 2009 at 10:06 pm
    Corpsecrank: "During WWII we hung people for using this and it was consider a war crime."

    Yeah, but what else did they do to get hanged?

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    DrCribbens Female 18-29
    103 posts
    May 25, 2009 at 2:04 am
    One poll using 100 people would be questionable. But I don`t think it`s unreasonable to trust several polls using thousands of people.

    Polls that predict the outcome of elections are less reliable than those polling people`s beliefs. The fact that Gallup got something wrong 60 years ago isn`t a valid argument for saying that all polls are unreliable.

    Anyway, we`re going round in circles. I`m not going to argue this any more.

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    rasputin3x Male 18-29
    80 posts
    May 25, 2009 at 4:38 am
    so you cant get high off waterboarding? :P
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    freddyferret Male 40-49
    11741 posts
    May 25, 2009 at 6:15 pm
    What a pussy.
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    cagel Female 18-29
    275 posts
    May 25, 2009 at 11:03 pm
    I find it fascinating that so many people in favor of torturing detainees for information have totally overlooked the massive amount of evidence that advanced torture techniques in an attempt to extract testimony, information, or confession are TOTALLY INEFFECTIVE. Such extracted testimony is WILDLY UNRELIABLE.

    ALL research into torture has shown that people will say ANYTHING to save themselves from torture.

    There is absolutely no corroborating evidence to suggest that any information gotten through waterboaring or other torture techniques has prevented attacks.

    Really, any argument for torture makes me thinking of something Thomas Jefferson once said:

    "Force is the vital principle and immediate parent of despotism."

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    ImmortalZach Male 13-17
    438 posts
    May 29, 2009 at 8:40 am
    People don`t understand that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was waterboarded over 100 times in just 2 drating weeks! That proves it`s not effective and not morally sound. Ever here of the blowback theory.

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