Baptist Priest Gets Beatdown: The Actual Video

Submitted by: Adaub7282 8 years ago in

Remember that video a few weeks ago with the pastor recounting his beatdown by the US Border Patrol? Here"s the raw tape
There are 218 comments:
Male 18
cops are pussies! guys, protect yourselves cuz this is gonna be happening everywhere!
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Male 1,360
ummmm Mike W look at the border patrol camera and youll see a cop repeatedly swinging his baton into the car. I doubt it was broken safety glass that caused the cut on his dome.
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Male 4,242
goaliejerry: believe what you want about what i read. I like your use of the word "gibberish".
As for "repeating what I read on the internet".
well this is what I read on the internet, pages like this one.United States Deparment of Justice.
http://www.usdoj.gov/oig/special/s0708/final.pdf
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Male 154
It is like so many other videos. I mean, sure the cop was wrong. But why not just get it over with, prove they were wrong in court, and get your justice there instead of being a smartass?
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Male 57
1) Baptists don`t have priests. They have pastors. There is a difference.

2) That guy is an idiot. If you are going to be a martyr, do it for a good cause. He thought that he had some right that he did not have. While the police overreacted. He was in the wrong and should just admit it.

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Male 137
"He said, `Our dog alerted us that you either have a human being or drugs in this trunk,`" Anderson said.

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The 4th didn`t apply to him, as the trained drug-sniffing dogs gave them probable cause to suspect that he had contraband in his vehicle. His actions only further amplified their suspicions. I`m surprised he wasn`t actually beaten. (the cut on his head was from being pulled through the window, not from being `beaten`)

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Male 689
green batman is the only person in this entire comments section whose post wasn`t completely retarded.

what the cops were doing was obviously wrong, but that pastor handled himself like an idiot.

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Male 1,452
dont tase me bro!, okay cmon dont flame me you knew some idiot was going to say it
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Male 632
God sure did a nice job protecting this priest.
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Male 2
POISONctrl you are a f ucking a sshole and i hope that you are beaten. beaten so hard that you`re on the brink of death but can`t die, and nobody comes to help you because you are such a d ick. go f uck yourself in hell.
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Female 31
his voice alone justifies all that took place
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Male 787
the priest is just someone who believes in his rights. There`s nothing wrong with that.
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Female 1,082
the pastor was being a prick but the cops were dicks too. there was no reason to beat the man.
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Male 237
1- The guy was clearly being a wiseass and to stir up a hornet`s nest.
2- Being a wiseass to a cop is NEVER a good idea, no matter where.
3- He wasn`t cooperating, and was arguing with cops. You do not argue, you tell them your problems with their stance, and if they don`t get it, you ask for a second officer, and then, once they have done their deeds, you do a formal complaint. Anyways, for everything they would`ve done, they couldn`t possibly convict you since it was illegally retrieved.
4- The cops were total jerks. Once in a while you get them. They should be sentenced.
5- Two wrongs don`t cancel each other.
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Male 516
God, I would have tazed him on principal alone.
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Female 728
If he really wanted to make a point about privacy, he shouldn`t have been so hostile. It makes him look bad and it invalidates his ability to make a difference. He should have refused the search but cooperated with the arrest, because he then could have shown that he was unlawfully arrested. The best way to change laws is to take the moral high ground, but he got dirty. He went looking for a fight and he found one.

Furthermore, by resisting the way he did, he prevented the cops from doing their duties. He had a large contingent of cops that had to deal with him rather than the people they were really there to catch: drug runners and other law breakers. He wasted the time a resources of a legitimate authority, so he deserves a little jail time.

If he really wanted to show the injustice of the law, he should have taken the injustice in a mature way, rather than whining and wasting everyone`s time. It`s obvious that he doesn`t think of cops as people, and that is wrong.

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Male 213
Okay in the end I agree with the priest about 60% here from watching both videos and bla bla bla ....

He screams like a bitch though..

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Female 665
"If you resist arrest, even if you don`t agree to why you`re being arrested, force will be used. Nothing to see here."

I still don`t see why the taser or the beating was necessary.

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Male 171
Is tazing him with 2 tazers simultaneously normal police procedure?
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Female 1,148
"That is wrong. from what I see, those cops are all going to hell"

Damn straight.

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Male 203
That is wrong. from what I see, those cops are all going to hell
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Male 171
Don`t they have to tell you why you`re being arrested before you can being lawfully under arrest? If so he wasn`t resisting arrest and they had no right to do what they did. Saying that the dog was alerted doesn`t say why he`s being arrested. Do they even have dogs that smell everything anyway?
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Male 552
"Well they told him why they were arresting him, asked him many times to step out of the car and he refused. If you resist arrest, even if you don`t agree to why you`re being arrested, force will be used. Nothing to see here."

this entire statement is bullpoo. There`s a difference between resisting a resist and questioning authority. This instance involved the latter.

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Male 216
Well they told him why they were arresting him, asked him many times to step out of the car and he refused. If you resist arrest, even if you don`t agree to why you`re being arrested, force will be used. Nothing to see here.
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Male 250
ugh i cannot be arsed to read that...
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Male 759
amonamarth20;
Actually, learned that from the supreme courts ruling. But I thought it might be alittle dry to post this: http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/ge... feel free to read it (like I did) and see if your opinion differs from mine.
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Male 250
same can be said for you "number43. people put a term found in an argument on wikipedia and think they know everything about it...

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Male 759
Ah yes, and Miranda Warning do NOT have to come before an arrest. In fact you can go through the entire arrest process without ever being Mirandized. It only applies if the person is going to be questioned about the crime they are accused of committing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_war... check section 3 specifically.
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Male 759
Regarding the "miranda rights" they are called Miranda Warnings and they are as follows:

You have the right to refuse to answer questions regarding any crimes.
You have the right to have an attorney present before answering questions regarding any crimes.
Do you understand?

That is all, nothing more. And Miranda Warnings are only applicable during QUESTIONING not during others interactions. Don`t believe everything you see on Law and Order.

And as for People Having Rights. You`re correct they do have rights. Arguing with police is not a right. Refusing to comply with orders is not a right. Rights are protected by THE COURT SYSTEM. That is why courts exist. Otherwise the officer would sentence you to jail on the spot. This guy was given plenty of warning. People see a couple episodes of CSI: Miami and think they`re Civil Rights Attorneys.

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Male 301
They were also suppost to have those same rights read to him before they took phyical action against him.
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Male 301
"Steven Anderson is a right-wing nut-job who spreads hatred in his sermons, and having not obeyed an officer of the law, he got what deserved."


Actully he was never told what he was being arested for and if you brush up on your U.S. history. It`s illeagal for an officer to arrest citizens with out telling them what their offense was; I.E. MIRANDA RIGHTS:
1.To remain silent.
2.TO BE INFORMED OF CHARGES AGAINST YOU.
3.To obtain an attorney or have one appointed to you if you cannot afford one.
4.To have a judge decide if you should remain in jail or be released until your trial.

To be silent as in if asked a question; you dont have to answer it.


mind my Grammar errors $%^@#es

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Female 106
I think that the guy should have let the police search his car, if he had nothing to hide then there wasn`t anything to worry about. However the police should NOT have tazored him repeatedly and used 8 guys to apprehend him when he was not fighting back.
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Male 626
Guys an idiot, the police involved are idiots, get a bunch of idiots together and have them both thinking they are on the right side then you get crap like this.
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Female 214
Wow, all you people that are saying the man got what he deserved for disobeying a police officer need a little lesson in the legal system. It may surprise you that people have rights.
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Female 40
donthaveone: Are you really that ignorant? First of all, the Baptist church has ministers and pastors, not priests. Secondly, pederasty was never a problem of the Baptist church. Not saying that they`re perfect but get your facts straight before you lump together everyone. Thirdly, even if he were a Catholic priest, being a priest does not automatically make you a pedophile. The ones that are should, of course, be burned at the stake, slowly. But just because some of them are disgusting beyond all reason doesn`t mean that they all are. You`re old enough to know this. Show your age.
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Male 953
What the video doesn`t show you is the little naked 5 year old in the back seat :P think about it he is a priest....Oh yeah Don`t wanna get beat up? Do the F*uck what your told....
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Male 3,369
We shouldn`t have checkpoints here in the states, and yet we do. What makes us any different than the old Soviet states back in the day? Having said that, Steven Anderson is a right-wing nut-job who spreads hatred in his sermons, and having not obeyed an officer of the law, he got what deserved.
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Male 250
lmao yea the yelp was kinda funny although it must really suck to get tazored! wonder how many people have poo themselves, literally, because of it? XD
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Male 467
Screw the fact he`s a priest, what really sucks is that between those 6-8 guys, no one ever thought to himself: `Wait a minute, this isn`t right`.

Still, it was pretty funny when we cried while getting tazered.. Other than that; sucks to be him.

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Male 250
oh lol i thought you were just confused... my bad :P
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Male 813
amonamarth20, that was rhetorical.
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Male 250
guilty till proven innocent means to treat the person like a criminal who has no rights before they are proven to be innocent or guilty. it seems to be the mindset of most of the people here.

innocent till proven guilty means to treat the person with respect and abide by their rights as human beings until they are proven to be a criminal

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Male 813
"People shouldn`t just agree with the authority just because that`s what they are."
Such a simple concept, but I guess it takes an iota of intelligence to understand that concept, so I can definitely understand why some people on here are having such trouble with it.
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Male 813
"Guility till proven innocent" eh?
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Male 2,551
number 43 - You do not have to do what the officer orders you to do if you were not doing anything wrong in the first place. If the officer says you were doing something illegal, or not following his demands because they suspect you have done something wrong (and you know / can prove you haven`t) then you do not.

An issue like this was raised awhile ago with some cop telling some bikers to get off the road; they refused (as there weren`t any cars on the road at the time). After awhile the officer managed to stop them (by pulling up infront of them I think) and tazed one. Both the cyclists sued, and they won - they got a few thousand dollars for their bikes (which were just left at the scene) and the officer (I believe) was fired.

I dont know if there was any more to it than whats in the video, I don`t know what happened - but they were abusing what they beleived were their powers.

People shouldn`t just agree with the authority just because that`s what they are.

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Male 250
and he failed to give the most important warning of all. the 1 where he actually tells the guy what hes done wrong. it shouldn`t be like that where whatever your rights are you gotta get out because hes a cop and saying that because a cop should know better that hes right is far beyond naive. if a cop is being out of order he should be punched in the bewbs.
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Male 759
I thought the police officer was great. He gave the guy every warning, even took time to explain what was going on. I didn`t realize that they gave ministers all that legal training during seminary school. LOL. Police know the law, it`s their job. If you disagree, then sue afterwards (and lose). You don`t disobey a direct order, especially after you`ve been told that it IS AN ORDER. I think we can all agree that there are actually drug smugglers crossing the border. So how effective would enforcement be if all it took was for the drug smuggler to say "I disagree with you," and the police had to let them go? "Oh darn, he said he doesn`t have any drugs... better let him go." Get real. Police aren`t storm troopers, kicking in peoples doors in the middle of the night. If they tell you that you have to do something, it`s because you do. End of story.
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Male 1,623
This is bullpoo. Misuse of authority.
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Male 438
Lol at the guy putting rubber gloves on near the end, he probably cut the part where the lube tube came out
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Male 4,593
LOL. The guy screams like a little girl. That cracked me up.
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Male 16
I think a lot of people forget that when a police officer tells you to get out of your car ... you have to get out without fighting, aruging, or cussing him out. When they tell you your under arrest ... that means your a$$ is going to jail, so get out of the G.D. car put your hands behind your back and shut the hell up. If they have enough evidence against you, you`ll be taken to the station and processed, if not they`ll release you at the station. Acting like a teenager only get`s you more charges, and he lost any chance of getting out of jail free. Why can`t people just do what police say without aruging. If someone has a chip on their shoulder, a taser, and the authority ... you don`t want to piss them off. Just do what they tell you to do. Most tapes I`ve seen like this "usually" involves the person having a smart mouth, or not listening, or trying to prove the cop wrong. He got what he deserved if you ask me. Maybe next time he`ll get out of the car peacefully.
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Female 398
I`m a Christian myself, but let me say this I feel absolutely NO SYMPATHY for this dude whatsoever. He could have avoided ALL of this had he just listened to the officers! This guy is a slack jaw and is now trying to be an attention whore. HE TOTALLY DESERVED WHAT HE GOT. Thats just the way it is, period!
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Male 108
LOL android`s comment was waaaaay in the beginning but I`m sure his comments have been mirrored by some others and ROFLOL @ bullpoo - I would never type that intentionally.
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Male 108
The guy was at most civilly disobedient. No cause for the way he was handled Android. I love the way people excuse this bullpoo. Most of the people I know who became cops are racist, sexist hotheads with a chip on their shoulder. Given a gun and a badge, they are truly dangerous. I do know some good very cops also but the majority...
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Male 844
wow, they didn`t even say why they were arresting him. There seem to be more and more of these kinds of videos.
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Male 250
eek deleted again bungled...
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Male 271
Heres a more recent version of the same type of crap look at the pig high five his buddy after kicking a face down prone suspect in the head. PIG`s all become bacon eventually you will get yours you corrupt abusive pig!
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Male 250
no it isn`t. the car is his personal space in the same way my body is my personal space. if i feel there is no reason for them to invade my space then i wont let them in and if i feel threatened i will keep myself safe or lock my doors. they have no right to invade a persons space without reason or making it clear why. its as simple as that.
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Male 105
well...getting naked is a LITTLE bit different to answering simple questions at border control..
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Male 807
This is border patrol, they can search any car they want.
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Male 123
The constitution might as well be used toilet tissue. Law enforcement operates within a grey area where the law does not apply to them..At any rate, time to get paid preach...LAWSUIT anyone?...
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Male 250
and not complying doesn`t mean hes guilty! if a cop asked me to get naked and i refused that doesn`t make me guilty! that and if he gave me no reason to get naked i wouldn`t do it at all.

your logic implies that he`s guilty until proven innocent!

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Male 271
cops need more training. most are former highschool bullies who get off on power. Jus tlook at the number of domestic abuse cases against cops. I blame low pay for recruiting the dumbest member of our society. PIGS. In hell they will all be a** R*aped. I would rather live in anarchy then under the thumb of people like these fat ass pigs! Spanish inquisition! Natzi`s! They all start with simple abuse of power by pigs!
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Male 28
Simple: They guy was being a pillock by not getting outa the car and letting them look in his boot and the police were being their usual nasty selves by going completely over board, tasering him and shivinh his face in glass. They were both in the wrong. Had the guy simply popped open his boot he could have gone on his way, but no, he decides he will challenge authority and do a one man granstand. Just friggen open the boot and be on your way.... Again though, sheesh, cops everywhere are power hungry nasty bits of work.
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Male 105
it sure makes you wonder WHY he was so adamant about not getting out or answering questions. what`s he got to hide?! if he`s so innocent then he would answer the simple questions (probably something like `what is your purpose of entering the US`, as they do with everyone). also, i doubt they would have had to smash the windows if he didnt have his doors locked maybe?! why would he have his doors locked huh?!
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Male 436
@CrakrJak

Are you suggesting they only search people of Spanish descent or other nationalities... That`s called profiling and smugglers realize this better than anyone, they use it to their advantage by hiring out U.S. citizens that don`t stick out like a sore thumb to traffic the contraband. This is exactly what "Random" searches are meant to do, catch people off guard. As for this particular case, I would say the story is a bit one sided as all we have to go on is this mans biased testimony and an edited video tape. He fails to reveal any footage of said K9 and simply denies that the dog alerted to his car. Did the dog alert..we may never know. In any case getting pulled out of a broken window is going to result in a few cuts and scrapes.

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Male 105
loool oh CrakrJak, i thought someone might say that, so, if the guy was foreign then he is immediately suspicious?? what makes him so innocent just because he`s american?? or because he`s a pastor he can OBVIOUSLY do no wrong....?! being american doesnt mean he`s not smuggling drugs or immigrants or anything! what IF he was already wanted by the police, so avoiding everything they ask him to do is obviously seeming like he`s trying to avoid them and get out of there as fast as possible..suspicious much?!
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Male 17,511
tispayne: If they are talking spanglish or arabish or If a drug dog actually alerted (None of which happened in this case), Then by all means pop a window open the door, drag them out safely and search the vehicle. No tasers needed, No grinding their head into glass needed.

These agents knew he wasn`t an illegal, They knew his name, knew he owned the vehicle, knew had no warrants or priors, and knew where he lived. There was no good reason to treat him like they did.

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Male 250
refusing to answer questions goes both ways ya know. the man has a right to know why he was pulled over and the man also has the right to stay in the car so long as his car is proven to be a threat. he wasn`t acting suspiciously either. correct me if im wrong but i thought it was "innocent untill proven guilty" they failed to prove he was, they even went so far as to refuse to prove he was guilty.
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Male 105
ok, so next time someone`s trying to get into the country, & they`re acting suspiciously and refusing to answer questions and then refusing to get out their car (as a result of the previous two!) when asked nicely, do you expect the police to say "oh yeh ok, carry on through then, we`ll take the risk that you don`t have drugs or illegal immigrants & a bomb or something!" get real!!
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Male 17,511
Btw, I`m all for securing our borders and keeping a tight reign on our borders. That "tight reign" , however, Doesn`t mean stepping on people`s necks and shoving their heads into broken glass. That`s the kind of tactics I`d expect from a fascist or communist state.
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Male 250
ugh you guys dont get it do you? its not about whats necessary to get the man to comply, its about the rights that every human being has. the pastor had the right to stay in the car so long as the cops could prove for definite that his car was safe. they didnt have any conclusive proof to pull him out of that car. simple as. they treated him like a guilty as soon as they set there eyes on him. they went beyond what is necessary to get him to comply. this is police brutality at its plainest form and i cannot drating believe the nerve of you twats condoning this sort of behaviour! how would you feel if you were innocent and you had your rights taken away from you, had your head crushed down into glass on the road, tazed by overzealous cops and treated like poo? you can seriously go drat yourself if you think this man deserved what he got
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Female 8,056
Sorry- no you DO NOT have to obey the police,if they are not acting in accordance with the law.In fact, if they overstep the boundaries by so much as an inch you should refuse them. The police are bound by the law they swear to uphold. If they are permitted to act outside the law, then the law has no meaning.
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Male 17,511
goaliejerry:

#1 No drug dog alerted, That was a lie told by the agents. This` backed up by the fact that NOTHING was found.

#2 There was no crime, Thus no criminal investigation and no obstruction of a legal investigation.

#3 You`re not getting it, The agents expect everyone to just let them do whatever the hell they want (Whether or not it`s legal for them to do so.) That`s exactly the kind of mindset that they want, So they can trample over the constitution and get away with it.

#4 This guy didn`t physically resist the officers (other than locking his door). They hit him with 2 tasers, Shoved his head into the glass on the door, and on the ground.

If you think they`re right, Then you need to re-read the constitution.

Also, I`ve defended Cops over some Skateboarders in earlier instances. So I`m not against them all the time.


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Male 895
he just sounds annoying, and what a dick head. Lets get the cops annoyed then get tazered. Let me give them a reason to use brutality. If there is nothing wrong just hop out and get on with it!
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Male 436
@bradbury

Exactly what crime was committed here. They gave this man ample opportunity to exit the vehicle and gave him fair warning of the consequences if he did not comply. I believe goaliejerry said it best and I quote,

"And IF COPS COULDN`T BUST OPEN THE WINDOW OF A NON-COMPLIANT suspect, what, prey tell, are they to do to execute the search? Asking nicely didn`t work.

How insane would it be if this guy could have resisted a reasonable search just by locking the doors? Should the cops just asked again, NICER??"

You see what I`m getting at? They did what was necessary and nothing more. Back to your original question though, how do I measure injustice, well if they had dragged him out beat him Rodney King style or worse but a piece of lead between his eyes, then yes that would have been "injustice". That, however, did not occur so as for me cheering at the crime scene... well there was no crime scene to be cheering at.

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Male 1,086
Funny how in every argument about power, racism, fascism, or injustice, the Nazis show up.
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Male 33
@wtmac

I don`t misread.

I was just wondering, how you measure injustice? do you round to even milions? do you leave out the victims who weren`t nice enough? as clumsy as space_kowboy`s argument was - cheering bystanders at a crime scene are never innocent. and wether you defend one brutal police man now or 70 years ago, makes no difference for what kind of person you are. plus: if every person makes just one murder or crime justifyable, it adds up to milions soon enough. even if every self proclamed judge here only saw and sanctioned one such case in their lives and lived in blissful ignorance the rest of it.

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Male 105
if they think there`s a problem coz hes bein awkward (coz he might be hiding something!?) then theyr gonna do what they have to do IN CASE he is a cause for concern!
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Male 105
ffs, he`s just being awkward for the hell of it! thinks he`s higher than the law or something?? "so i have to obey you by law??" yeh! hes a goddam police officer!
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Male 436
@bradbury

I believe you may have misread my comment. I was not saying civillians murdered anyone, quite the opposite actually... Innocent people were being murdered.

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Male 33
oh, and @wtmac? in nazi germany, most civillians didn`t kill anybody. many of them say in interviews, they thought the people which where beat down or disappeared deserved it for being unpatriotic and not supporting the war. and that they never knew about the camps. so, pulling an innocent out of the car to beat him down is not the same as killing milions of people, but it`s how it started 70 years ago. by people who stood around talking about wether he "deserved it" for being naughty.
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Male 33
everyone gets the gouvernment he deserves. I, for my part like living in a place, where the police doesn`t have the right to beat stupid people up for being stupid. and where the good nazis - I mean americans, of course, aren`t defending brutality against idiots. the police force is there to protect against, not to induce violence. i love how you people are righteous until you become a victim of injustice - then you run to oprah or the tabloids. just how every dead soldiers mother suddenly gets converted into a liberal right after she gladly attacked people for being anti-war when she thought he was alive. just like the fact that right after WW2 there suddenly were no nazis, only freedom fighters everywhere. as soon as a mentally disabled underaged person gets slowly beaten to death for giving an officer the finger, some of you will magically have forgotten all about the comments you wrote just now. but your shame and your inhumanity will stay written and archived here on the net.
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Male 436
Wow space_kowboy... are you honestly suggesting someone getting pulled out of a car is the same as the murder of millions of innocent people? Seems a bit much... don`t ya think?
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Male 127
yeah i think godwin`s law has been broken earlier...

he tapes these videos because he`s an activist, he has more of them.

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Female 387
This footage is WAY too good to be real. And why would he have a camera on his person anyway? I suspect he`s trying to make a point about the way Jesus was treated at his arrest and `trial`, but he`s not doing a very good job.

Either that, or he should be chucked out of his job.

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Male 9,305
Space you did NOT just pull that out of your ass... >_<
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Male 34
So...To all those peps defending the border guards, I guess that means that you`re defending the Nazis in WWII Germany as well for committing Genocide...After all, I suppose they were just doing their jobs as well and had every right to shoot them...My don`t you feel proud
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Male 127
thanks for the link wtmac. damn thats a long ass video. it is a border patrol checkpoint... in the United States. so they detained him... because he didn`t want to be searched without a warrant. yes, he`s very sure of himself, but paranoia is not a crime. if he wants to waste his time arguing his rights, he`s entitled to do so. he`s an activist, so it`s not surprising.
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Male 436
In case anyone is interested here is another video from this guy looking for trouble. He was copping an attitude from the get go and was obviously looking for trouble.
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Male 127
the preacher had been through the same checkpoint various times without complying to searches. even if they had sufficient probable cause, they shouldn`t have tazers out. apparently they broke both windows because the preachers face was crushed on to the broken glass on the road on his side of the car. he surely didn`t resist anything after being tazed, but he still got the worst from it. i think the cops were more annoyed for being there for so long and then just went out of their way to make sure he payed for it. at least i`m getting answers.
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Male 813
Oh wow, 2/3 live on the coast. That`s incredible, what an epic waste of space in the middle.
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Male 813
goaliejerry, I love how you defend the things that are turning your country into a totalitarian state. Well done sir, you are a credit to the human race.
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Male 2,076
goaliejerry, remember how i said you were right that one instance?

Well the ACLU disagrees with you regarding the Constitutionality of the Patriot Act:

http://www.aclu.org/privacy/spying/areyo...

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Male 4,014
VE - you are ignoring a simple question - what should the cops have done? Just thrown their hands up and let him leave??? "Sorry boss, he locked the door - we`re powerless now, its locked!"

I`ve shown they had probable cause to search his car, and further that cops have authority to setup checkpoints to combat drug smuggling so long as they have a valid reason (guranteed they didn`t randomly select an area to check).

I won`t bang my head on the wall anymore.

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Male 4,014
dm2754 - I believe you don`t even know what those citations mean, nor that you have read it.

Want to know why? Because it largely operates to amend specific language in already existance US laws and doesn`t operate as a standalone act (just like most legislation). How do I know? I`ve read it, and its gibberish.

Rather than repeating what you read on the internet, tell me what you actually understand and object to.

Tell me where the Patriot act purports to abrogate the constitutional rights of US citizens. (Hint - it doesn`t - all federal laws must comply with the Constitution - see Marbury v. Madison (classic case)).

Title IV relates to IMMIGRATION - i.e., non-US citizens, who do NOT have the same constitutional rights as citizens.

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Male 626
God I hate cops.
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Male 127
its a wonder the only thing he complied to was closing his eyes. if the cops feared he would run them down, it would refute the decision to actually break the window and taze. i dont think the police are allowed to pull out any weapon, lethal or not, unless there`s actual danger. sure he could have complied, but the officers could have let him leave 75 minutes earlier. sure, the whole dog "signal" after the fact is meaningless (even though there isn`t any REASONABLE reason the dog should have been there). just as much as him being a preacher wont affect the verdict.

i`m wondering what kind of checkpoint this is. is it a racially profiling checkpoint to keep illegals out? if it is, why is it 50-70 miles from the border? i think the preacher has a lot more with that video, but a bad lawyer could mess all that up. his defense is, "Well the only point I was trying to make is that I have the right to travel within the United States without being searched arbitrarily at ran

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And to show I`m not a complete pro-government lefty, there are stories right now in the news about Texas cops pulling people over, confiscating their money and jewelry under the guise of "money laundering," despite the lack of drugs or contraband in the car, then the cops having people sigh "waivers" agreeing not to sue the cops, and agreeing to leave the state, after which the people are set free - AND THE COPS KEEP THE MONEY AND PUT IT INTO THEIR GENERAL FUNDS.

Now that is crazy, and I don`t think that will stand in federal court. A waiver signed under threat of arrest is crazy invalid.

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goaliejerry: I believe you need to look up the patriot act; Homeland security also. Were agents do not need "probable cause to search" only suspected suspicion any person or vehicle. (PUBLIC LAW 107–56. PATRIOT)
TITLE II— enhanced surveillance procedures
Title IV: Border security
and then there is all the stuff the DEA has for searching anyone crossing a border.
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Male 4,014
"1. the checkpoint is too far away from the Mexican border to have the jurisdiction to have dogs sniffing the vehicle or searching it without the need of consent. he has a right to privacy since he is still in America."

This isn`t true if the federal government knows that a particular freeway acts as an artery for drug smuggling. How would they prove they know? By having busted drug smugglers in the area before. People think the government acts randomly - but study economics a little and you will understand an organization with limited resources will focus its efforts on areas in which the funds can do good. Cops don`t just go out looking to harrass people - they want to bust criminals. (Corruption at lower levels, not saying it happened here, doesn`t disprove the validity of command`s strategy of focusing its effort on particular areas proven to be high in crime).

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Male 4,014
Respectfully, you don`t understand "probable" cause.

If the cops turn out to actually have been wrong, that doesn`t change that they had probable cause. The propriety of a search under probable cause is determined by circumstances BEFORE the search, not after.

And, as I said, and as courts and science have long recognized, Dog Noses Are Good At Smelling Drugs, So Good That It Is Reasonable To Belive A Trained Dog Smells Drugs When It Signals It Does.

Don`t reference the "right to privacy" without noting the word in the constitution preventing "unreasonable" searches...A dog signalling contraband gives cops a REASONABLE reason to thing there is contraband.

And IF COPS COULDN`T BUST OPEN THE WINDOW OF A NON-COMPLIANT suspect, what, prey tell, are they to do to execute the search? Asking nicely didn`t work.

How insane would it be if this guy could have resisted a reasonable search just by locking the doors? Should the cops just asked again, NICER??

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Male 127
yes, if a dog is assumed to have found contraband, they are fully able to arrest him, but....

1. the checkpoint is too far away from the Mexican border to have the jurisdiction to have dogs sniffing the vehicle or searching it without the need of consent. he has a right to privacy since he is still in America.

2. even if he is assumed to have contraband, you do NOT bust open a car window, TAZE the suspect who isn`t giving any violent resistance, CRUSH his head onto BROKEN GLASS, and most of all you do NOT F*CKING SMILE WHEN DOING THE AFOREMENTIONED!

this has nothing to do with racial profiling or religious association. since he had no contraband, the dog`s "signal" is worthless. you CANNOT manufacture a crime!

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Male 4,014
Both are more than 1000 characters :) The act alone is about 140 pages.
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Nidonemo
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[ Delete Post ] Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:51:08 PM
Can someone please post a copy of the American Constitution AND a copy of the Patriot Act so you guys have something solid to quote from?

Just to level the playing field so we aren`t just ripping information from thin air here.
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I did that on the last vid featuring this guy. I really cant be bothered dredging it up again! Plus it`s time for work so later all!


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Male 9,305
Can someone please post a copy of the American Constitution AND a copy of the Patriot Act so you guys have something solid to quote from?

Just to level the playing field so we aren`t just ripping information from thin air here.

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Male 4,014
Maddog essentially beat me to my point.
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Male 4,014
CrakrJak - random road blocks are ENTIRELY constitutional since they serve a valid public interest (preventing drunk driving) and treat all people equally.

And can you imagine the absurd consequences if every person ever pulled over could demand that the police prove - to the person`s own personal, stubborn satisfaction - that they had probable cause???? Think about all the jackasses out there who would pull this crap in entirely valid situations, people with no legal training whatsoever being empowered to challenge probably cause on the roadside. REDICULOUS. Law enforcement would lose all effectiveness.

Lets say dude is smuggling pot, and the dog IDs it - under your view, the cops should show the criminal the dog IDing the pot BEFORE ARRESTING HIM, but only if the criminal wanted to cooperate. If he didn`t, under your view, the police would be stuck....rediculous.

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Male 3,369
I did this dance on the first video we saw featuring this idiot so I`ll repeat it again.

The police have EVERY right to stop anyone if they have probable cause. Without that right, how the hell can they do their job and arrest acctual criminals otherwise?

The idiot in the video may well have had nothing to hide or have done anything wrong but he could have avoided it all by just assisting the police with their enquirys.
However, I agree the police where WAY to heavy handed but thats a diffrent argument.

If you start shouting about freedoms and rights then your just making a circular argument. If the police cant stop anyone for any reason ever, then people can get away with all sorts of crimes and you might as well just give up!

hamisgood nailed it in his post.Comply THEN complain. The police have no way of knowing anything without investigating accordingly! If the police are corrupt to begin with, then you are screwed whatever happens!

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Male 207
Really important that people check out

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/4/16/...
This D. bag wasn`t just driving home, minding his own business, when BAM a cop with a taser jumped out and busted his ass. This guy certainly seems to get a thrill out of being just an all around tool.

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Male 4,014
"right-side supports, meaning harsher border patrol"

Hmm, you know, I am no right-winger, but there is a HUGE distinction between the "religious right," and the ACTUAL "right." The religious right would be happy if Jesus dicated the law - those people don`t care if the government stops homosexuals from banging each other....

The ACTUAL "right" has HUGE problems with government interference into people`s personal lives.

So, I predict (I predicted 10 years ago, and its happening) Republicans will shed religion in favor of libertarianism, and only then will they again ascend to power (shoot, I might even vote for them - keep government off of my stuff).

But don`t expect bible beaters to give up the ear of the Republican party without a disgraceful fight...

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Male 4,014
The irony is, if he had let them search (his choice to disobey a lawful command), he would have not been subject to being tazed and arrested - he would have been set free.
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Male 436
@crakrJak

Wow... aren`t we quick to make assumptions on people we don`t know based on 2 comments. In any case, not French but whatever. I simply believe that the guy instigated the situation. The officers were within their bounds to ask him politely to step out of the car. They were also within their bounds to drag him out by force when he refused. It`s the same as roadblocks set up to catch people drinking and driving. If you refuse they will act accordingly and pull your ass out of the car one way or another.

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Male 207
B...o...o h...o....o
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Male 4,014
"Homeland security and border control do not follow the same [laws] as regular police."

Actually, they do - its called Federal Law. Please don`t spread ignorance. US citizens have full rights under our Constitution, and the patriot act does not abridge that. It may have gone a little too far in removing restrictions on the executive branch, but note something - all three branches remain involved and (this gets deep) Congress has broad authority to limit the jurisdiction of federal courts per the Constitution.

People do not understand that the patriot act did NOTHING to change the law regarding the detention of foreign ENEMY COMBATANTS during armed conflict.

However, a US Citizen retains the constitutional right to habeus review (or its equivalent) even if an enemy combatant.

This person was simply crossing the boarder, implicating boarder security laws, not the patriot act. Please don`t conflate the two - people need to understand how government works.

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Male 4,014
CrakrJak, I understand from hanging out here enough, your inherent distrust of authority, but do you know the basics of probable cause? This video evolved in several steps, the first of which took place off camera.

1st - When a police dog IDs on contraband, cops then have probable cause to search - SEACH, not arrest. This is well established in the law, and not controversial - do you deny that dogs have good noses?

THEN, if someone disobeys a lawful demand to search based on PROBABLE CAUSE, they are guilty of a crime, thus subject to arrest. This guy commited a crime (obstruction of police investigation), then he locked himself in his car.

I don`t give a F_uck if this guy was a "baptist priest." I can become ordained right now.

Jackass - the place to argue legality isn`t on the scene, its in court. If a crime dog IDs your car, thats probable cause. At that point, authorities have the legal right to detain - EVEN IF THE DOG WAS WRONG.

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Male 4,242
I feel sorry for this Dumb as. He should have talk to a lawyer before he made his first videotaped confession. I hate to say it but he is fully guilty. In a way he got off lucky. According to the patriot act, they could have held them without bail and without formal charges indefinitely. Homeland security and border control do not follow the same loss as regular police. Thanks to the patriot act he has no rights in that situation.(Very little at least). It`s a minor offense and he will probably only get two years probation plus anger management classes
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Male 24
ok. his right to privacy doesnt mean crap in this situation. if the dogs smell something in his car or the cops think that the dogs smelled something, they`re not just going to say "oh you might have a whole bunch of crack, but you don`t want us in your car so go on by." that`s not how it works. now, if this was an argument about if all the beating was necessary, i`ll side with the priest in that they could have removed him from the car much less violently. also, he says he wasn`t fighting back but i have to at least believe he tried to get them off of him. not that that`s wrong that he was tring to stop them from beating him, just maybe that`s why they kept hitting him.
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Male 9,305
Crakr settle down please. The shredded face comment wasn`t needed.
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Male 17,511
wtmac: "I will just get out of the car when they ask and not sit there picking a fight I know I`m not going to win."

You surrender your freedoms really quickly and casually, Must be French.

But this isn`t about your willingness to let yourself be searched at will. It`s about authorities over stepping their bounds and imposing their will upon you.

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Male 172
Its like that old joke....Short version.... gets pulled over for speeding... yeah I`m drunk, stole the car, and I have the owner`s dead body in the trunk... chief arrives hmmm no alcohol, no dead body.... driver says "the officer probably told you I was speeding too huh?"

He probably should have let them search, but wanted to stand up and make a point. The cops took it waaaayyy too far! They need to be reprimanded, and should pay for damages including medical, and more.

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Male 127
law of the land, not law of the corrupt cops. 4th amendment seems pretty much law of the land.
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Male 84
@Smash, yeah, I can make assumptions about religions.. especially when it`s a relgion I, myself, am a part of.
Btw, are you saying that just because I described a very specific type of person I made an assumption? I didn`t say ALL men of God act that way, I was just talking about the men of God that do act that way.
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Female 71
Ummmmmmmmm Baptists don`t have priests - not in the normal sense. The bible teaches we are to obey the law of the land, unless it interferes with God`s law. Render under Ceaser - Caeser told you he wanted to check your car (how does this interfere with God`s law?). Let him. Then when you get home, or the jail, call a lawyer (and fight it out with Caesars law, which in this case, will probably be in your corner.) Probably. He comes off badly.
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Male 290
I love the music. I wonder if this went to court yet, I wanna know what happens..
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Male 436
@CrakrJak

Or maybe instead of having them shred my freedoms and face, I will just get out of the car when they ask and not sit there picking a fight I know I`m not going to win. I have had my car searched before and it takes all but 5 minutes, they ask a couple questions and verify you are a U.S. citizen and that`s it. He could have been on his merry way in a few minutes, but instead refused to cooperate.

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Male 15,832
The cops were wrong, and the pastor was right, but he still got tazed and beaten, and his car was searched anyway. He could have allowed the search and gone after the cops later for an illegal search, but he chose to stand his ground, even though he had to know he was going to lose. I doubt he believed he would be tazed and beaten so violently, though. Those cops were probably conducting dozens of illegal searches a night using the dog for cover, but most people weren`t willing to stand up for their rights. I have to say I admire this guy`s guts.
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@caboose117 "Mussolini really wasn`t that nice a guy..."
Actually, before WWII Moussolini was very much admired by American progressives.

@indigo_dream "...didn`t the patriot act or something basically end that, meaning you can be arrested just because they think you`re a threat..."
No.

@Masticore "A border search of a vehicle entering the country is, by legal precedent, a reasonable search."
This was not a border search. This occured 70 mi. east of Yuma on I-8 --over 50 miles from the border as the crow flies, over 100 mi. by road. Therefore, this WAS an illegal search.

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Female 15,763
Wow... religion IS actually under attack... who would`ve thought?
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Male 17,511
wtmac: I hope that you just go quietly and willing with them when they come to take you away, Shred your freedoms, And them shred your forehead into crushed glass.
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Male 18
When the customs agents said the dog alerted them, he should`ve complied ASAP. While he didn`t see the dog do anything, it might be a very subtle thing that you wouldn`t notice unless you know what to look for. If he really think the dog did not alert them, that`s something to take to court, not argue about there.
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Male 103
f*ck the police!
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Male 17,511
Masticore: He was not crossing ANY border. This was a roadblock where they were "randomly" stopping cars. Random searches have been determined illegal many times by the supreme court.
That why there MUST BE "probable cause". There was no probable cause here, The border agents lied.

The agents got violent because he wasn`t complacent and stood up for his rights. They were thinking how dare he refuse us to search ?, WE ARE THE LAW!, Do what we say or else!

It`s time for cops and agents with that kind of power trip to be fired.

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Male 436
I agree with hamisgoood, he was being a douche and got what was coming to him... He had every opportunity to get out of the car and avoid the whole situation. However, his screaming like a a little bitch did brighten my day a bit.
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Male 127
you have the right to privacy before the right to remain silent. his car isn`t an airplane and the border patrol isn`t customs.
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Male 24
everyone keeps saying that the pastor was in the right, fighting authority. fighting would be getting out of the car, complying, then proving to their asses that they had no reason to arrest him by challenging them to search his car, and letting them not find anything. whining like a little bitch, staying in his car, and then getting tazed and screaming like a girl isn`t fighting, its being a douche.
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Male 127
i didn`t say ANYTHING about religion. he is a right-wing activist. look him up. i just figured it`s ironic since he`s fighting against what the right-side supports, meaning harsher border patrol.
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Male 3,755
RighteousD and Ve,

You sure are quick to make assumptions about someone based their religious views.

Oh yeah, I forgot, we`re only allowed to do that when it`s a Christian involved.

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Male 127
that`s the irony in all of this. he`s a right-wing (the side that wants MORE control to the government, police, etc) and fighting against the checkpoints. i only say more government control because the extreme right is fascism and the extreme left is socialism.
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Male 1,629
there ya go! the pastor was completely in the wrong.
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Male 84
I have no sympathy for him for the exact reason as Corpse has said: "he deliberately ignored the officers directive to step out of the car." And continued with "your best option," and it`s absolutely right.
Ugh, sometimes these self-righteous morons irk me, thinking just because they`re ordained as "men of God," they`re always right.
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Male 127
i love the teenage-esque pessimism. complete lack of hope or pride in them bones.

"just give up... they`re right, you`re wrong..."

not to sound too cliche, but this sounds like someone whose living in 1984.

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Female 13
This guy is a right wing activist more than a preacher - i don`t think this wwjd. check it out. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/4/16/...
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Male 600
Am I the only one who caught the sound of him screaming like a girl?
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Male 928
I love how he still thinks he is in the right. Even after he deliberately ignored the officers directive to step out of the car.

You can never win against an officer on the street. Your best option is to do whatever they say without question and if you disagree follow it through in court where you can and will win if your intelligent enough.

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Male 231
"if you dont have anything to hide, then why bother fighting them..."

right! because anyone with authority is ALWAYS right, and you should NEVER try to fight back

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Male 101
who`s gonna babysit the babysitters?
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Male 1,399
That`s right, MrGuy. Don`t fight when they come for you. Don`t fight.

Don`t.

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Female 741
those people are pathetic, I hate that they have control over all of us.

even though he didn`t listen..they shouldn`t have done that.

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Male 1,193
the guy using the taser looked evil right before he did it.
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Male 138
look, I understand why it might upset people, but really, if you dont have anything to hide, then why bother fighting them...
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Male 719
What`s not stated in this video which was in the last post about it is that this did not task place on the Mexican border.

Yes, it was Border Patrol, but they had a checkpoint at a sizable distance from the border (I can`t remember the exact distance, but 50 miles seems right).

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Male 54
Bloody bastards, even though they`re technically not in America, you`re still American cops and still have to abide by the law! unreasonable search probably wouldn`t even be tolerated in Mexico.
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Male 127
lol after watching this over and over i`m reminded of that scene in harold and kumar.

"HE`S GOT A GUN!"
"MAN THAT ISN`T A GUN, THATS A BOOK!"
"BOOK IS SECURED!"

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Female 528
Don`t taze me bro!
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Male 127
if you read his history and the various times he had to cross state borders (not any time through mexico), they should have just let him go... like the hundreds of times beforehand. apparently, he stopped consenting to the searches he goes though around last year and the worst before that was a 10 minute stall. this lasted over an hour apparently. i love that smile and the aim of the tazer. "f*ck yeah, we got him boys. officer coon (one of the rodney king cops) ain`t got poo on this!"
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Male 69
>after an hour of not complying and about 10 cops surrounding the car, i bet the police feel TOTALLY insecure against a guy covering his eyes while they break his window and taze him.... while smiling...

Yeah, obviously they should have said "well, this guy sure doesn`t want to get out, maybe we should just let him go through".

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Male 69
oops sorry...meant to say if they say "no"...kinda deflates the crecendo of the post...:)
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Male 69
Manticore...what do you mean it`s not about guilt or innocence. You just tried and convicted those officers because of a video the alleged "victim" decided to release. You have no idea what happened in the 5 or 10 minutes prior to the start of the video. All the officers said to him was that the dogs hit on his car and they wanted to search it. Is that unreasonable? Maybe they should just ask everyone who wants to cross if they have drugs, and if they say "yes" just go ahead and pass them through because it would be unreasonable to assume that some people would be lying...
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Male 127
after an hour of not complying and about 10 cops surrounding the car, i bet the police feel TOTALLY insecure against a guy covering his eyes while they break his window and taze him.... while smiling...
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Male 109
>If he wants to argue his guilt or innocence, he can do that in court

Its not about guilt or innocence in the first place, its about unreasonable searches. And the fact is, is that it is reasonable for the border patrol to search you and your vehicle as you cross the border.

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Male 69
Thanks for proving a point Falcore. What if the next person they stopped thought the exact same thing? The cops don`t know if the guy is a "priest" or someone planning to kill the next cop they see. 99.9% of cops are professional, and guess what, they have a right to protect themselves as well. That means if you are acting strangely or not complying with their orders, they are going to treat you a little differently. If they tell you "please get out of the car", it`s not an ambiguous statement, nor is it up for debate. If he wants to argue his guilt or innocence, he can do that in court (which he probably never would have seen because if he had just done what they asked he more than likely would have been down the road in 10 minutes).
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Male 109
>I want to find every one of those "officers" and kill them slowly and painfully.

I don`t get why you`d object to law enforcement dealing with physical resistance to a reasonable search.

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Male 127
lol, falcore, thats the exact thought that passed though Ice-T`s head when he wrote Cop Killa...

also, psycho killer... quest que c`est...

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Male 182
This kind of stuff makes my blood boil. I want to find every one of those "officers" and kill them slowly and painfully.
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Male 109
>in this police state, where is our ideal of freedom

America is obviously a police state, since it searches everyone who boards a commercial airplane.

Obviously.

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Male 136
in this police state, where is our ideal of freedom
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Male 79
you see this is why when a police officer tells you to get out of your car YOU GET THE drat OUT.
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Male 109
>6. I don`t care if it`s customs, no police officer has a right to infringe you constitutional rights. Period.

You only have a right against "unreasonable" search or seizure. A border search of a vehicle entering the country is, by legal precedent, a reasonable search. This is due to pretty much identical logic as why a search of your person and possessions as a condition of entry to the secure area of an airport is reasonable, or a search as a condition of entry into certain visitors sections of a prison, or part of a courthouse, or whatever.

Its one thing to "stand up for your rights", but this is NOT one of the situations where a constitutionally guaranteed right was being abrogated.

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Male 127
also...

Father! Rodney King just called! He said, "DAYUM, i thought i got MY ass beat!"

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Male 127
for the good of the nation...
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Male 914
where was your god Mr. Minister?
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Male 5,189
He should have put his pride aside and listened.
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Male 17,511
The K-9 COULD NOT have alerted on this preacher`s vehicle, They found nothing! No drugs, No hidden people, Nothing!

When will people finally start realizing that the police can and likely WILL lie to you to get you to do what they want, Regardless if they are right or wrong. They are experts at it, Even so far as getting coerced false confessions.

If we don`t start standing up and defending our rights we are going to loose them all, On piece at a time.

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Male 496
\/ cont \/ answer then he`ll change the sbject, have a conversation with you and then ask again after a minute or two and you know what, you always answer them, always. Its a bloody good trick that the american cops could do with picking up on rather than having the inevitable parent child conversations that escalate into one way violence. "I don`t like looking stupid because I AM the law" is not a drating argument, its retarded and something I expect from america tbh. Same with that guy that got tased at that john kerry speech. Ask a silly question, then vocally challenge dicks to act like dicks and they will, everytime.
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Male 496
"K-9 alerts to your vehicle, that is probable cause for a search of your vehicle. When you refuse to exit your vehicle you are conisdered a baricaded suspect. If you choose that route, your not gonna come out of that vehicle in a pleasent manner. He got tazed and put on the ground. All he had to do was do what the officer told him, officers do not hold court on the side of the road. Somebody call this guy a Whambulance. "

It boils down to this - American cops are about 99% of the time high on a power trip. They love putting people down because they are "always" right. They are the law! Think of them as server admins on a game. If you annoy one not by breaking the rules of the server at all, but if you just annoy them, then they will kick and ban you. Why? because they can. If you annoy a cop then he is going to get righteous on you because he can. There is none of this "mediation" they have in England. If a cop stops you here and asks questions

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Male 207
If this guy thought he was going to win people over with this video he made, he was so wrong. Now he is just coming off as a giant turd.
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Male 32
K-9 alerts to your vehicle, that is probable cause for a search of your vehicle. When you refuse to exit your vehicle you are conisdered a baricaded suspect. If you choose that route, your not gonna come out of that vehicle in a pleasent manner. He got tazed and put on the ground. All he had to do was do what the officer told him, officers do not hold court on the side of the road. Somebody call this guy a Whambulance.
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Male 388
remember, remember the fifth of november....it comes...
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Male 52
He pulled up to a check point refusing to answer questions and refusing to allow officers to look in his car. He arrived with the intention to make it difficult for the border patrol agents to do their job so naturally they bent the rules and drummed up a false alert using the drug sniffing dog. At that point it became an issue of who would back down first, and if you seriously think the police will, then you deserve to get rapped on the noggin.

This is exactly as if an officer stopped you randomly on the street and demanded all your money and credit cards. </sarcasm>

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Female 1
As a 2nd year law student, I can tell you that the police did have the right to stop him at the border, and if there was something that further made them suspicious of him (like a canine alert), they do in fact have the right to ask him to step out of the car. It stems from the Terry frisk line of cases. Obviously the force that they used appears to be excessive, but he should have cooperated to begin with, and his failure to do so could have caused the officers to think he was armed.
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Male 171
I hate playing that game. The cops always win.
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Male 68
they had no right to stop him in the first place. if they are so concerned about border patrol then why are the borders with mexico virually wide open? it`s all to do with making people used to the idea that they have to submit to authority and give up their rights. making jokes about this kinda thing is just retarded - it`s YOUR liberties that have been taken away too. people need to speak against this whilst they still can.
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Male 596
Tazzers are twin Needles Piercing your body which send massive volts of electricity to your body. But in the words of Chris Carter " you just got Knocked the F*ck OUT!"
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Male 1,265
Enjoy your fascism, IAB. Sounds like most you people want it.
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Male 4
That`ll teach him to have a religion
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Male 2,855
he could have banged his forehead on the ground...

other than that what beatdown?

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Female 71
i agree with almost everyone below... the guy should have cooperated with border patrol, however, his point of "aren`t you supposed to have something to arrest me for?" got me... didn`t the patriot act or something basically end that, meaning you can be arrested just because they think you`re a threat, and not because you`ve done anything wrong? there was a post about some kid being arrested because of it a while ago...
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Male 1,204
"I understand him being pissy about not wanting to get out of the car, because the cops weren`t telling him exactly why they wanted him out, but if he had just cooperated, this would not have happened."

So if the cop tells me to give him all my money, my credit card, my social security number, or else he will brutally attack me, I should just listen because the cop is boss, right?
do people these days LIKE fascism? Mussolini really wasn`t that nice a guy, contrary to what some may say (i don`t know who)

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Male 3,755
I think the cops should have at least had a little more patience. The guy was putting them in no danger and it`s part of their job to put up with angry, upset people. They could have worked with the guy a little.
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Male 174
1. they tazed him for far too long.

2.He has a right to ask what he`s being arrested for, they didn`t answer him, which is illegal of the police to do. They did violate his right there.

3. Once they pulled him out, it didn`t look like they were overly brutal, but the car is block the view when he`s on the ground, they could have been doing something we couldn`t see, and as I recall from the original story of this, he said they were kicking him and kneeing him in the head, which we wouldn`t have been able to see.

5. This is a hard one to call.

6. I don`t care if it`s customs, no police officer has a right to infringe you constitutional rights. Period.

7. Cops do abuse power quite too often. I have a friend who was aressted who was drinking and going home with friends one night, they were sober, and he was not driving, they were pulled over, and because he asked why he was being arrested, the police officer said drunk in public, even though he was removed by the officer.

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Male 52
So they didn`t find anything (drugs) in the car and he wasn`t charged with anything and they let him go without so much as a ticket.

I wonder how this will play out in the court?
Will he sue and will he win or will the police?
Keep an eye on this one. It`s one thing to rant as armchair quarter backs it a whole other issue when it comes down to who`s actually guilty.

We`ll see.....

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Male 52
I don`t mean to belittle the nobility for standing up for one`s rights, but there comes a time in one`s life when you realize that you must drop the petulant child act and realize that when your parents told you life isn`t fair, they weren`t just one-upping your mopey whine. Adults, especially those fast with the unenviable task of identifying people who would aim to take advantage of "rights", must operate in a gray area.

Besides, drating with cops is a sure way to a one-sided ass-kicking.

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Male 3
First, what does him being a preacher have to do with anything?
Second, If I am an officer and someone is obviously trying very hard to get passed though a check point without being inspected then I am going to subdue them with whatever force I think is needed.
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Male 22
got what he deserved, for all those cops knew he had drugs or weapons. Yeeboo you were right on. That priest was a prick.
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Female 5
"i think ur supposed to turn the tazer off once the guy stops screaming."

Actually no. You can`t turn the taser off after you`ve pulled the trigger. It has to go for the full five seconds before the current stops, and then the officer can choose to hit it again for five more seconds.

I understand him being pissy about not wanting to get out of the car, because the cops weren`t telling him exactly why they wanted him out, but if he had just cooperated, this would not have happened.

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Male 2
OK im so tired of hearing whiny bitches complain about cops. If u sit there and argue with a cop and dont do what they ASK you to do, then i see it as your a threat, and will be treated as such. Cops are PEOPLE, they dont know you, they dont know where u been what your carrying. They deal with criminals day in and day out that say the same thing we do, and do the same things we do. So The next time an officer asks you to do something JUST DO IT! Right or Wrong, doesnt matter, just do it. For crying out loud all the whiners just need to shut the hell up, all your seeing is After the thought, how many of you have said to yourself hindsights a bitch, maybe i shouldnt have done that, cuz it was stupid and or wrong? Nobodys perfect, there just doing there job. If u act like a theart then you are a threat period!
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Male 1,036
I still don`t understand why he didn`t cooperate. Next time the police stop you, try shutting up and locking your doors and see what happens.
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Male 152
@ staywithme-

a)If you actually read the screen, you would know that he had his eyes closed for the latter part of the ordeal.

b)He was squaking "in shock" not because he was being grabbed, but because he was actually being shocked (tased, more accurately.)

c)Where was the hostility or the aggressiveness? He was asking for a simple explanation as to why he was being arrested. That is a pretty major demand to want to know why they were doing it. Asking something repeatedly doesn`t make you hostile and/or aggressive.

d)Silly priest? Is that really the comment that you make in this kind of situation?

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Male 1,036
I read these posts, and find out alot of you guys don`t have a clue what "rights" are. You wouldn`t be complaining if he was a mexican blasting Cypress Hill would you? Why not, he hasn`t done anything more than this man. In fact, the priest got sniffed by the dogs, wich is definitely worth a check. Custom laws aren`t the same, they have ALOT of power on their territory, but that territory is basically the 5 square metres around them.
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Female 44
He didn`t "squawk" because they grabbed him, the officers tazered him that`s what made him scream.
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Male 263
Sad i thought border patrol was suppost to be nicer *puts dash on jobs list for border patrol*
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Female 3,696
I feel really bad and I understand it`s an intense situation but I burst out laughing as he`s fu ckin sitting there, watching the guy about to BREAK HIS CAR WINDOW and then suddenly start squawking in shock when the cop grabs him back from the car. He should have just obliged with them, you acting all hostile and aggressive and refusing to get out of your car is no way to prove your innocence, silly priest.
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Male 1,204
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It`s his damn fault. Why the hell don`t you just listen to the f*cking police and then argue at the station? Do you have to be that much of an ass?"

Well, when a crucial right is infringed, then slowly, the rest of your rights can be "overlooked". It`s as obvious as that. We do have to put a stop to this infringement eventually, but where? who knows.

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Female 44
O.k. I agree that what they did was totally out of order but I don`t understand why he didn`t co operate in the first place.

When I have nothing to hide I don`t mind working with law enforcement. A few mins and a quick look in the car would have been it and then he could`ve been on his way.

What they did wasn`t right but he didn`t help matters either...

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Male 152
i think ur supposed to turn the tazer off once the guy stops screaming.
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Male 362
i didnt see a beating, prolly just got his face rubbed in the ground a bit much. the cops seemed pretty non-violent considering he wouldnt get out on his own accord.
with that said, you cant arrest someone for resisting arrest.
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Male 15,510
Congratulate yourself to live in the Land of Freedom!
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Male 2,125
It`s his damn fault. Why the hell don`t you just listen to the f*cking police and then argue at the station? Do you have to be that much of an ass?
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Male 820
I`m not even sure how to react to this.
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Male 1,550
The drating pigs are always on a power-trip, although I must admit the preacher screaming was funny.
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Female 2,220
@spirit - yeah I think he did said he`s put it up for everyone to see.
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Male 221
oh my god. the blood curdling screams. quite frankly. i desperately hope those cops are religious. because its pretty certain theyre going to hell
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Female 267
Good find!

This was so wrong on so many levels.

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Male 814
Did he mention he had a cam with him in the previous vid?
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Female 2,220
My GOD!!!

That`s horrific!

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Female 354
i dont understand why they did this
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Male 18
Link: Baptist Priest Gets Beatdown: The Actual Video [Rate Link] - Remember that video a few weeks ago with the pastor recounting his beatdown by the US Border Patrol? Here`s the raw tape
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