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And part of God`s plan? Well, it`s not like you can trick God. "This guy`s going to be super rich and successful, he`s going to have a nice car, a pretty wife and... hey... where`d he go?"
Being Christian is not an excuse for being ignorant, consider the entire problem before reaching a decision.
And for those with a Christian outlook: God has used those three people for His good. They are a part of His plan, just like every child is whether in the womb or already born.
Kind of funny I should see a video about this, considering I just wrote a paper on the importance of Roe vs. Wade.
And anyway. Unless laws are changed by then my 30th birthday present to myself is going to be sterilization. Woo hoo
If not then shut the f up.
I also find it funny that most states that are `pro-life` are also pro-f`in death penalty. You don`t know who`s side you`re on. You`re just another f`in sheep in the herd. Congratulations.
Yes of course. Cause being born into a pro-life family environment ensures your going to be pro-life.
I was raised christian, Am agnostic as much of the rules laid out in scripture seem erroneous and bigoted to me.
I`m pro-choice for the reasons that 1) the worlds over-populated already, 2) Adoption as an option is much easier said than done, and 3) anti-abortion sentiment is almost completely fueled by religion.
Besides, outlawing abortion wouldn`t stop it, it would just take things back to when women died trying to get abortions illegally.
We live in a country that allows freedom of religion. Under that concept, Religious precepts should have no bearing on ANY legality.
Exactly. Thank you.
Exactly!!! Good to know some people get it just the way it is.
You morons who think being pro-choice equals being pro-abortion, you are quite wrong. They are not one and the same. People who are pro-choice do not think, "Boy, I hope someone has an abortion!" No. They are for the right for a woman to choose what she wishes to do; whether it be abortion, birth, adoption, whatever.Get it through your thick skull. I`m so tired of the idiots who think that pro-choice people want to kill everyone. Get real.
Like I said people make mistakes and unfortunately there are lot of people like that and they shouldn`t get away with it but I believe people have the freedom to choose what is best for them. You cant bring people to this world unable to support them and expect a stranger take care of them because now and days you cant trust no one with your kids and the world is over populated. Why keep bringing up children and let them suffer through their lives. Men and Women both need to take care of themselves if they don`t want to end up in this situation whether is using condoms or taking birth control pills.
You`re an idiot.
...I hope all the pro-lifers are prepared to raise all of the unwanted children you would force upon the world. Feed, clothe, educate, even love.
Not sure if you were just unclear, but it`s possible for a person to be punished for killing a woman who is pregnant because killing a woman is wrong. Your argument had nothing to do with the legality of the killing the child she is carrying.
"Abortion is different, the fetus can`t leave the woman`s womb and live. A woman who no longer wants her born children could put them up for adoption, killing them isn`t necessary once they are born since they don`t need their original mother."
A "fetus" can survive outside the womb at 20-21 weeks. By 21 to 22 weeks after fertilization, the lungs gain some ability to breathe air. This is considered the age of viability because survival outside the womb becomes possible for some "fetuses". Just because "it" exists somewhere you can`t see doesn`t m
Why would you wait so long to finally kill the thing?
Actually, Obama supports partial birth abortions and his administration along with a left-controlled congress has already made it legal again in many states.
Partial Birth Abortion is where the head crests the birth canal, and the doctors stab the baby in the brain with scissors then suction the brain out and discard the child. Not so god damned convenient and glorious is it?
If you can handle graphic video."
I thought every woman researched this before undertaking an abortion. O.o
Considering that you should know you`re killing a small baby before doing it, it makes sense.
That still wouldn`t stop me from undergoing such a procedure should I become pregnant before I can get sterilized.
If you can handle graphic video.
The ability to be sterilized is not as easy for women as one would think. Many doctors won`t preform the surgery until a woman`s had a child already.
The adoption agencies are also crap. I don`t see how abandoning a fully-produced child to be potentially adopted is any more or less cruel than killing it before it has a chance.
And how is telling a child that their birth mother didn`t want them any less drated up?
Humans have also evolved to be able to have sex for more than procreational purposes, i.e. we can have sex because it feels good.
There`s no "responsibility" involved here: if a woman has sex and becomes pregnant with a child she does not want, it is her complete right to terminate the pregnancy.
It`s an individual choice, I just think there should be a lot more information out there about the emotional effects that having an abortion may cause.
I was adopted as a baby, by two wonderful loving parents. My biological parents were teenagers, 17 and 18 years old. I just have to think... "what if my parents took the easy way out?"
Just think, the person that was destined to change the world may never get the chance because of a bad choice made by his or her mother.
What if, in some cases, it happens before that? What if your baby`s heart starts beating the very first week and you decided to have the abortion anyway?
I know what you`re going to say, that "It never happens" but that`s only true until it does. Nobody has complete control over life. Not even the president of the united states.
I`m not pro-life and I`m not pro-choice. I`m neutral in this debate because nobody`s right.
So if you kill a fetus that has a beating heart, It is murder. That happens around 12 weeks (3 months).
This argument completely takes religion and the mothers body out of the equation and boils it down to a simple and easily verifiable fact.
12 weeks, That`s more than enough time to make a decision. 12 weeks is a fair and just line to draw.
The problem is, Quite frankly, People in power have polarized this an "All or nothing" issue where no compromises will be accepted.
there is no one who would agree with what i just said because it`s ignorant and wrong, it`s murder, and it`s not allowed by law. you wouldn`t kill a baby who`s been born or child, how can you possibly think it`s okay to kill a baby in the womb? there are laws that punish criminals who injure or kill a mother and as a result kill her unborn child. abortion is no different.
Really? That`s your argument, God doesn`t like it? PFfft
Who`s body is the baby that is being killed? just curious.
Forcing someone to carry a baby to term, to endure pregnancy and risk childbirth is nothing less than slavery.
What are you going to do? Lock women up like cattle until the baby is born?
It is honest a mass of cells until what some people call the quickening or in the case im refering to the first heartbeat. Its just a mass of cells.
Fortunately for us we dont need fetuses for stem cell research
Sorry, bud, but I just browsed around and saw little besides pro-life apologetics. Not that I expected a fair and balanced discussion in something with a biased domain name. Stop plugging your own sh*t.
"We know the unborn are alive, because they`re growing."
Just because something is growing doesn`t mean it is alive and worth preserving. Cancerous cells are alive because they satisfy the characteristics of life (remember that from biology class, don`t you?). I`m not suggesting fetuses are comparable to cancer and that we should exterminate both on those grounds, I`m just calling out the hypocricy in exterminating one and not the other when fetuses are also a health hazard in that they supress the mother`s immune system.
In the long sad history of the human race, we`ve discriminated against people based on their race and gender. Now we`re discriminating against people based on their size, level of development, location and degree of dependency.
We`ve simply exchanged one form of discrimination for another.
For fair and balanced discussion of abortion/stem cell research, check out ProLifePodcast.net. While I am pro-life, other pro-lifers hate me because I am brutally honest about the weaknesses in common pro-life arguments and tactics. I`m fair to both sides, which is why so many pro-choicers enjoy the show.
look how stupid it looks;cancer is for death,anyone doing chemo should just get over it and die
How about people with erectile dysfunction? No viagra for them because what? "sex is only for reproduction" in ,so it would make no sense to actually enjoy it.
Modern medicine isn`t only limited to men and death.
and that slave/fetus agruement is the same what Peta does. Maybe to You,fetusses are lil slaves in evil incubators that would rid them if they had a choice; it makes no sense.People who choose to get pregnant aren`t slavekeepers,people who abort aren`t either.
The only exception I see, is if the woman was raped.
Because they are incapable of controlled, conscious thought.
"Why is it anyone`s right to choose for them if they have rights?"
A fetus does not have rights if it is incapable of decision, which requires only controlled, conscious thought, which a fetus lacks.
"Why should people be silenced on an issue where they believe millions are killed?"
I don`t think everyone should be silenced. Just the ultra-Christian freaks who stake out at State and Lake with pictures of dead babies and compare pro-choice people to Nazis because Nazis aborted babies. (I`m a pro-choice Jew, so being compared to a Nazi upsets me like you wouldn`t believe.)
"Why should people remain silent when a person`s rights are ignored?"
They shouldn`t, but I already said that fetuses don`t have rights.
"Why is the above a different scenario?"
Because the slaves were humans with controlled, conscious thought.
Baalthazaq, good example using slavery. that will definitely get peoples attention. lets hope your point isnt lost
Have the option so that people who want it can have it?!?!?!
I support fully the right of slave owners to CHOOSE what they do with THEIR slaves who are only 3/5ths the value of a human being. I understand it`s a shame but why should I interfere with the rights of slave owners when I myself have none?
It`s just not my place to speak on the issue.
If you take issue with any of the above, perhaps reconsider why you hold any of the above opinions when it comes to Abortion.
Why do they not have the value of a person?Why is it anyone`s right to choose for them if they have rights?Why should people be silenced on an issue where they believe millions are killed?Why should people remain silent when a person`s rights are ignored?Why is the above a different scenario?
Decide, right now, prior to research, at which point it is wrong to abort. Sentience? Heartbeat? When they feel? When they dream? Then look up when that happens in the womb.
My sister was Down Syndrome, so I know first hand what it`s like. I know the facts about Down Syndrome children. If I knew that my child was going to be Down Syndrome, I don`t think that I could have it aborted. Just because someone isn`t perfect doesn`t mean that they shouldn`t live.
Scenario C: Rape and incest scenario. This one, I don`t know. I know that I would pray long and hard about it, especially on incest.
Truth is, if your first option is aborting, you might be aborting that one person who will love you unconditionally. That one person who will always be there for you.
I don`t have any kids. I don`t want any kids. (especially right now in life). But I don`t see how any person could go into a doctor`s office knowing that their intention was to take a life. Especially their own child`s life.
"And I know what you`re going to say. If you kill the mother the fetus dies. Well the fetus is going to be aborted anyway so why not let it go down with the ship." The Birdcage
I honestly think we should teach people to think more with their heads and hearts before they jump into bed. If they are not ready for a baby, they should take extra precaution before having sex. Stupidity should not be rewarded. Lack of responsibility should not be rewarded.
It angers me when there are so many people who are irresponsible. (and yes a majority of the aborted fetus are from irresponsible people.) And then they want the rest of the world to justify their actions
Scenario A: Having this baby can cause me to die. If between me and the child. I choose the child to live.
to be continued.
There`s a shortage of people adopting children and the foster/adoption homes are bursting at the seams.
I`m pro-choice. And I don`t believe it`s a mans decision if a woman is allowed an abortion.
I`ll leave the abortion debate to my American friends.
Quit being absurd."
Oh c`mon, what would IAB be like if all we ever did was that?
> Gee that photo is awful
> Yes it is
Nah, doesn`t work for me.
I`m not going to argue life OR choice here, but suggesting that if God didn`t like abortion he would intervene basically strips all idea of free will from humanity.
"I thought I aborted that fetus... surprise, it`s still growing!"
Quit being absurd.
I need sleep. @[email protected]
Dont live in china :O
Until a child is born, the fetus depends fully on the mother for its survival. Therefore the fetus` survival, until birth, is fully at the discretion of the mother. No government should have the right to force a mother to carry a child, regardless the circumstances surrounding the conception. Personally I think it irresponsible to have sex without contraception and use abortion as a fail-safe, but that is at least preferable to a mother not being able to terminate an unwanted pregnancy. Realize that having a child is a life-long commitment; a commitment most people may not want to be forced to accept.
"Thing is, IT`S NOT THEIR BODY! Your messing with ANOTHER person`s life, not yours."
The fetus derives 50% of its genetic material from the mother. The fetus is not alive because it cannot survive independently until birth.
It is murder, stop rationalizing it. Oh but what if the girl got raped and it was raining and her dad beat her and blah blah blah. I don`t care if your mother spit in your face and threw you on the street, you don`t have the right to murder.
This should settle those debates. Watch all 15 of em if you want. :D
As for me, I`ll turn my baby into chunky salsa if that`s my inclination. And in turn, I will respect the legions that bring babies into hazardous, abusive, and ill-prepared enviroments. Where`s the love? It`s right here, buddy. *hug*
You have just exemplified what`s fundamentally wrong with the "pro choice" argument. This flawed logic is based on the assumption that an abortion is along the same lines as a piercing or a tattoo. "If someone wants to mess with their body, let them." Thing is, IT`S NOT THEIR BODY! Your messing with ANOTHER person`s life, not yours. A fetus is not an extension of the mother, it`s another being. It amazes me how people trivialize life until it pops out of the vagina.
And don`t get me started on partial birth abortion (smashing a late-term fetus` skull so it can be "removed"). That sh*t should be punishable by death.
but thats hardly the point. like i said im not looking to argue. i havent accused anyone. can you just explain to me your point of view? im not a close minded person. i have my opinion and you all have yours...i just want to know them both fully. how ignorant would i be to actually argue withouy understanding the other person`s view completely? ;]
"edited so many times and written by a bunch of hicks"
Hicks are only in America. I think its the Mormons the only ones that use an American originated bible. Maybe episcopelians too.
When the sperm meets the egg it is a HUMAN FETUS, not a PERSON. They are NOT interchangeable terms.
Keep your god out of our lives.
cant just call it a night can you? an olive branch that encompasses everybody under the human ability to err is extended and the argumentative always find a way around it....
another person, talking about teen pregnancy i think said "accidents happen"no no no no. accidents? no matter what the cause whether rape, or un-protected sex or whatever. a life is not ever an `accident`. a baby is not a mistake. I honestly cant say that i see where your coming from when you say it could be morally right for someone to let another person rip their child that has never even breathed and will never do so now, out of her body. and then throw it away like a piece of trash...i am not here t argue i just would like to see this from a point of view that shows me this isnt disgusting and vile in every way possible.
The policy will always swing back and forth in the political winds between the two extremes. There is, however, one factor favoring the pro-life position: the Roe Effect. Children tend to adopt their parents` politics, and pro-choice Democrat women are very much more likely to have abortions. Consider that over 20 million babies aborted from 1973 to 1991 would be of voting age today, and it`s likely that group would vote heavily Democratic. In other words, the "victims" of abortion are mostly future Democrat
Everyones belief on this site is wrong."
And that is a religious person stuck in a corner, with no further material to debate with, they go with the "im right your wrong" response.
your just saying the bible is a moral story... right but just cause its a moral story doesn`t mean gods exist.
But in conclusion.
Everyones belief on this site is wrong.
I am pro-choice, but I think an abortion should be the last resort. Prevention is much better all-round.
Once again, how important is it that two of every animal went on a boat? Isn`t the message more important.
I don`t deny or necessarily accept it happened. Sure there are some universal believes; Jesus is the messiah; God is all powerful etc etc, but whether or not mosses crossed the red or the Reed sea doesnt really matter.
I`m just going to assume you`re a troll
Definitely not, they`re not allowed into our country :D
right but how can you assume the book is right? do you just pick some parts of the religion and say yes, and other parts no?
A fetus does not possess the characteristics of a person.
And if you removed my arm, it would still be my arm.
If you removed a fetus, it would still be a fetus, not a person. It has the potential to be a person, but it is not a person until it reaches that potential.
And Prime, my bad I should start taking note of people`s names.
That`s just as bad as "I shall always believe in creation!". Blind belief in anything is ridiculous.
No good scientist will ever tell you that they will always believe in something, because new evidence could be found tomorrow which would require the Theory of Evolution to be totally re-evaluated, or even discarded if the new evidence was strong enough.
That`s why they`re called theories in science: They`re working models which explain everything we know so far, but we admit that we don`t know everything, and there`s always a small chance we could be wrong.
I think your the best proof so far that it isnt true.
"so now you admit the bible has untruths in it, so how can you take it to heart so well?"
When have i said that?
In those days, "all the kingdoms of the world in their splendor" is a reference to the kingdoms known to the people in that area. I.E. Greece, Egypt...,
Thats because you`ve probably been talking to Westboro Baptist.
The point of the Bible is the interpretation. Sure I can show how there was in fact a world wide flood, or at least their definition of worldwide which was the middle east and say thats absolute proof, but the message of if you obey God you will receive is much more important.
Now don`t get the idea that I`m saying its wrong or unlikely or impossible, I just think that focusing on that is as important as finding out what type of pen was used in writing the bible.
this seems to eliminate most of the cruelty/stupidity that brings about abortions, while keeping legal only for those who truly "need" it
You know, all these Save Zimbabwe people keep yapping it up about how we should do something, but I don`t see them rebelling against Mugape, so please shut the hell up and mind your own business
But these details are often espoused as proof that God/Jesus is all-powerful. I`m genuinely surprised here, this is the first time a believer has said to me that these particular bits are not bona fide facts.
But I think I`m just gonna do like je_scream, and just watch y`alls debate. It`s curing my boredom far more than this link itself.
yes/no. I`m saying that they did not necessarily happen the way it is described in the Bible and that thanks to the lovely and talented Paul, some stories were exagerated. What I`m saying is to look for the importance of the passage rather than focusing on the detail.
- talking, burning bush- parting of the Red Sea- water into wine- feeding of the five thousand- Jesus walking on water
Are you saying they didn`t really happen? That they`re no more factual than Aesop`s Fables?
Yes im calling trashcan678, trash.
Sajo, how is a fetus NOT a person?? If you cut your own arm off, would you claim it wasn`t part of a human?
DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
one of many contradictions...
Are you calling people trash?
Not at one point does it say that everything in the Bible is to be taken word for word. If Aesop can have parables why can`t the bible?
We can play this interpretation game all day long trash.
Aesop never claimed his stories were factual events.
No, I could feed the baby instead. There are formulas and whatnot that can be substituted for breast milk.
So what about sterile couples? Should they just never have sex?
Yes. Thats the cultural norm. Right now we believe that women are equal so....this isnt going to come off as i intended to so nvm.
""I am the God of the Bible, worship me or be tortured forever" that would be fairly compelling evidence." It wouldn`t be "evidence", but I`m sure there would be a few converts.
"Or indeed, voices from burning bushes, fish and loaves cloning themselves, or any of the other Biblical miracles which were dime a dozen, seemingly daily events back then."
Am I the only person that took English? Why do people hate rhetorical devices so much. No one ever bitched to aesop that birds cant drating talk
Another great work of fiction.
If most people believed that unicorns existed, would the burden of proof be on you to prove that they don`t?
"3b) Anything that I can submit as proof is personal and would not be counted as "proof". Therefore assuming God does exist, there would be no way to "prove" it regardless."
No. Just because the only proof you can offer is personal, doesn`t mean that a real proof is impossible. For example, if the stars were to spontaneously rearrange themselves in the sky to spell out "I am the God of the Bible, worship me or be tortured forever" that would be fairly compelling evidence.
Or indeed, voices from burning bushes, fish and loaves cloning themselves, or any of the other Biblical miracles which were dime a dozen, seemingly daily events back then.
My opinion: I would rather save a healthy mother while she is still healthy than spend the time/money/healthcare on a baby who (in the cases where abortion should be appropriate - rape, unsafe pregnancy, accidental pregnancy despite protection and poor parents) has a slimmer chance of being healthy. Yes, there is adoption, but one of my friends is adopted and she`s nothing near healthy.
Logical fallacies.... i sense them
-Should it be available as a form of birth control? No.-Should it be available in cases where the parent(s) is/are in a dire situation and can not afford to have a child, and/or the expense (monetary and/or physical) of pregnancy? Yes-Should it be available in cases of rape and incest? Yes
I am not "pro-murder" but I do believe that a woman should have the right to decide whether or not she wants to have a child. After all, it`s her uterus.
Accidents happen. Even with all of the birth control and condoms and Plan B available, unplanned pregnancies can happen. And while I think that if you are going to have sex, you should be prepared for the consequences, I don`t think that abortion should be out right banned. There are situations where it might be the only viable option. Better have a doctor do the procedure in a sterile OR than some guy in a back alley with a coat hanger.
It was a link on IAB.
Any book thats to be interpreted is going to have contradictions. drat the great gatsby has contradictions.
"talking snakes, 900 year old people, "Any one ever heard of rhetorical devices for drats sake? And they counted births by moons at that era so 900 is closer to 75.
"the Earth is flat"Find the part where it says the earth is flat and I`ll show you another where it says its round. The flat poo has been taken completely out of context.
Seriously these points are getting boring. Can someone come up with something creative for once?Where`s Davy where you need him?
Why you so controversial, IAB? D:
I can`t survive without my mother. I need her money for food. So technically I`m not a human being.
"God is just an image created because people fear for what is beyond life"
The idea between going to heaven or hell is a lot scarier than knowing nothing happens afterward. Has nothing to do with why I believe in God.
I think it meets the definition."Nope, abortion isn`t "unlawful". Also, most definitions include "premeditated malice" or "malice aforethought" which abortion also doesn`t fit into.
God is just an image created because people fear for what is beyond life, enough so that so many religions have sprouted up. You yourself are disbelieving in the other religious gods, so how can you be so certain that your book tells the truth and defend it?
unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
I think it meets the definition.
Murder is NOT ethnic clensing: that`s genocide.And consciences aren`t around until the child has the ability to decide things for itself.
Totally out of context, but yeah, No. Abortion WAS allowed until much later, it only changed because there is a conservative Supreme Court. This isn`t a majority decision at all. This is by a select few. At the very least, that is why I am pro-choice. Purely because I haven`t gotten my morality out there as much as you have in the form of the select few.
Whomever wins is the right person. If Hitler had won, murder WOULD be ethnic cleansing, to a point.
aren`t you a contradiction wrapped in disagreement
Except corpses right ;)
3a)According to John Stuart Mills it lied with those making the opposition to cultural norms.3b) Anything that I can submit as proof is personal and would not be counted as "proof". Therefore assuming God does exist, there would be no way to "prove" it regardless.
4. Hold someone while they`re dying and don`t tell me there isnt a difference when they`re alive and the second after it dies. You can clearly sense the difference.
5. "Faith is Not a Source of Knowledge"- Neither is an about.com article.
Anyway, I`m pro choice. To be "pro life" is to want to harm and punish women. You may be saying "Oh nono, I just want to save the little fetuses!". Making abortions illegal doesn`t accomplish that, however. Abortion rates are the same whether or not it`s illegal. It`s not like people will say "Oh, I`m pregnant but it`s illegal to end the pregnancy so I`ll just go about as if I wanted to be pregnant", the majority who would abort if it`s legal will still abort if it`s illegal. Thus, making abortions illegal only accomplishes harming women, no fetus is saved.
Pro life (as well as everyone else, to be honest) people should focus on birth control awareness and availability instead of eliminating legal abortions. That`s the only thing tha
1. A physics professor at Tulane has an equation that shows God exist.1a) Their statements are misleading. They are saying there is no empirical evidence to suggest God exist so scientifically he does not exist. With that said there is no empirical evidence that i have thoughts as science can only find wave patterns. So my thoughts don`t exist.
2."is the fact that there is so much evil in the world today." 2a) its not a fact.2b) Its not evil just the absence of good.If there was no "evil" there would also be no "good".
Define `No one`
" and a abortion pill is not the answer."That`s not how it works...
I`d kill people if I could, I`m not morally opposed to it. However, it`s against the law.
Laws do not equal morals.
Because murder and racism is viewed as wrong by most people, it is against the law.
Because no one wants to see lolphotoshop getting at it with the sticks and stones, necrophilia is illegal.
yada yada yada
laws and morality aren`t separate.
That is your opinion, they can`t be "proven" wrong. To you, they might be wrong, to the person committing such acts, they are right.
It`s as they say, you`ll do something "against the law" if you are 100% sure you wont get caught.
Hitler thought he was a good, moral Christian.
Neither do teenagers at a mall
Once again, why can`t people like lolphotoshop mutilate corpses?
Roe v. Wade.- Abortion is allowedPeterson v. California- fetus are aliveLaw- Murder is wrong.
This leaves an interesting little paradox
I`ve seen it, and I`ve seen worse. Far, far worse.
I`m pro-choice, but then again my opinion is irrelevant as I will NEVER have the ability to carry a child.
I`m pro-choice as far as corpse mutilation goes, too...
They both could be argued the same way.
ps- when you can PROVE to me that the bible is incorrect i will see your side.
I`m tired of hearing that. Its like saying well if you dont want to mutilate any corpse then don`t do it
Because this is a science question?
As long as it`s not used as a form of birth control, it`s fine.
Also: I`ve had to live 16 years knowing that I had a potential little brother who was aborted and that I`m a failed abortion, much love <3
Dextrine: In response to that, A persons concience is always there.
Listen to me, O house of Jacob, all you who remain of the house of Israel, you whom I have upheld since you were conceived, and have carried since your birth. Even to your old age and gray hairs I am he, I am he who will sustain you. I have made you and I will carry you; I will sustain you and I will rescue you (Isaiah 46:3-4).
Yet you brought me out of the womb; you made me trust in you even at my mother`s breast. From birth I was cast upon you; from my mother`s womb you have been my God (Psalm 22:9-10).
Many people use abortion as birth control.
actually, let`s have no age cap for abortion. let`s just abort all the annoying people, that`d be way better.
I think I`m ready for the flame war.
Abortion is a nasty, awful business. I doubt anyone here could witness a mid- to late-term abortion without throwing up, at the very least.