Don`t Ask, Don`t Tell [Pic]

Submitted by: fancylad 8 years ago in Misc

The saddest tombstone you"ll see all day.
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Male 893
:D
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Male 893
Because we live in a funny world.
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Male 153
thats sad
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Female 381
Awww....
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Female 135
Awwww. :(
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Female 3,828
aww
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Female 287
Aww =[
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Female 196
:(
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Female 15
you can serve your country but never be excepted. that`s why i didn`t get to stay in.
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Male 3,631
Poignant.
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Female 1,008
:(
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Male 10
Raw std jokes :]
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Female 688
:`(
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Female 609
so. sad.
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Male 24
Does anyone get the std joke in this? lol
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Female 44
|-( Thats sad...
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Female 335
aw ;_;
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Female 650
this is sad...

and omg cannedxxpear, in your pic, where you get your purple tutu thing?

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Female 39
O.o
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Female 91
`.`
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Female 20
the saddest tombstone i`ll see all day? How many do you expect me to have seen to compare it??
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Female 28
Such a shame. Very sad, indeed.
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Male 283
This is why I am an atheist... killing is good, loving is bad. Yay DOG!
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Female 23
Aww :(
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Female 134
d*mnit! i get no roosterroach? how could you be so crew ell?
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Female 134
cockroach. lol i had to try it.
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Male 12,365
I emailed IAB about this and had an immediate reply from a person, who discussed it with me in several emails. Impressive response - most places would have sent an irrelevant automated reply or nothing.

In case anyone is wondering, the town I referred to is this one:

A small town in England

Unless IAB`s autocensor breaks urls as well...let`s see.

The name is too old to be certain of the meaning, although `thorpe` means `settlement` and 923 years ago there was an `e` at the beginning of the name. Yes, we have written records that old (and older) here. Likely meanings are (from Danish) "Settlement on a bend of the river Esk" and (from Norse) "Skuma`s Settlement".

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Male 12,365
It`s like something out of a B-grade horror film...

...after the apocalypse, the few scattered groups of surviving humans struggled for survival against the most despised of insects, now mutated into giants the size of chickens - the roosterroaches!

aaarrggh! A swarm of roosterroaches, OMG!

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Female 1,260
hahaha...how stoopid am I? I wrote C**kroach and of course IAB changed it to Roosterroach - I know I`m getting silly with this but I can`t help it - I will be dreaming of Roosterroaches for weeks now...wonder what they`ll look like???
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Female 1,260
Ha, I though Angilion wrote Roosterroaches on purpose (giving the vote to a fake thing) I didn`t realize that IAB censored it - I mean, really? You can`t type roosterroach? OMG...now that`s funny!
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Female 260
é_____è aw
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Male 12,365
Just seeing what happens with the classic example of hilariously incompetent censorship - the town of Smean personhorpe.
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Male 12,365
"roosterroaches"...what a perfect illustration of how ridiculous auto-changing people`s posts is.

I`d prefer the people who run IAB to have enough decency to be honest about what they have their system do. Rather than changing words and passing the result off as something a poster has written, they should have their system insert "<CENSORED>" instead. At least then it would be clear who wrote what.

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Male 12,365
kikayoaka: If you wish to follow your own line of argument, you must be in favour of removing all legal and social distinctions based on age or species. So you must, for example, be in favour of extending the vote to kittens. Also, caterpillars. And roosterroaches. Etc.

How many young children want to drive? Quite a few, I`d say. I certainly did. So should we allow 6 year olds to drive on public roads if they want to?

There are genuine and relevant differences between humans based on age. Simple numbers, such as 18, are a crude and inaccurate approximation, but the differences are real.

There are also genuine and relevant differences between humans and other animals.

The same differences do not apply between adult humans.

Therefore homosexuality is not "very much the same as" beastiality or paedophilia.

Therefore your argument is at best merely specious and it fails.

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Male 352
almightybob1: Says who exactly? Where exactly do you get the idea that Animals and Children can`t give full, informed consent?

You`re the one showing your ignorance, and you`re a hypocrite. You say people should be able to love whoever they want when it suits your beliefs, I`m sure Pedophiles think exactly the way homosexuals do "Why can`t I just love who I want?".

If you`re going to be for free love, you should go all the way with it, not "People should be able to love whoever they want, except for..."

You can say that it`s different, but it`s very much the same, a group of people convinced that they truly love another group of people.

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Female 192
D`aww.
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Female 108
aww. that broke my heart a little.
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Male 148
fag !!
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Male 174
`I don`t think there`s any medal for killing people either, as that is basically part of the job.`

Maybe the killing was done in valor to save a mate, to gain a purple heart or something?

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Female 62
That is really sad :(
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Male 46
I don`t think there`s any medal for killing people either, as that is basically part of the job... however I don`t think it matters either, probably got a medal for merit in combat or something... maybe there wasn`t even a medal in the first place... it`s just meant to make a point. I still don`t understand what the big deal is about having gay people in the military... or getting married, what do people care, it`s their life and as such they deserve respect.
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Female 1,231
That`s an excellent quote. It goes in the book.
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Female 70
I could not care less if gay/bi/lesbian people serve in the military. No one should care. When I look at this tombstone I have to ask, what medal is given to soldiers, marines or sailors for killing someone in combat? Am I missing something? I know there is the Purple Heart for being wounded in combat. What is the medal called for killing someone in combat? (fake picture sparks flame war on I-A-B?)
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Female 2,027
haha
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Female 102
That`s sad.
I SUPPORT GAY PEOPLE
If you don`t have a gay marriage, then you really shouldn`t even get your nose in their stuff.

Dont even get me started.

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Male 936
who cares?
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Male 12,365
shepherd...I fart in your general direction!

Marvellous film.

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Male 12,365
Why would Myspace be such an appalling threat? You say it like you`re summoning the Minions of Doom From The Pit Of Despair or something.

Who is going to post stuff on one trivial website and be worried about it appearing on another trivial website?

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Female 735
im uploading this on myspace. STILL WANT GAY MARRIGE TO BE ILLEGAL, YOU BASTARDS?! I HOPE YOU PEOPLE ARE HAPPY!!!
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Male 3,431
Yeah I got a nasty discharge from love too.
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Female 713
Yikes! What did I come in the middle of? *Slowly sneaks away*
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Female 1,120
Violence over love... again. Unfortunately.
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Female 857
Wow, that`s really sad! :(
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Female 122
Oh, wow. That`s actually...touching.
I`m not crying, you shut the hell up!
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Female 2,064
Yeah, I`m depressed now. Stupid anti-gays. <_<
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Male 9,305
Is anyone tired of arguing yet?
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Male 381
god, you all suck. so did this guy, apparantly, hahahaa!!
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Male 4,680
Some of these comments made me lose more faith in humanity :(
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Male 4,290
Musuko: With the "unless" clause, I was thinking more along the lines of, for example, someone who was feeling suicidal. In that instance it would not be OK to euthanise them, even if both the doctor and the patient agreed, because they`re obviously not in a fit state to give consent. I wasn`t thinking of scars or tattoos, but I see your point.

@kikayoaka: I was hoping you`d respond with something puerile like "you must be pro-bestiality and pro-paedophilia!". It just shows your ignorance.
Animals and children do not have the ability to give full, informed consent. Therefore neither of those is acceptable under the rule I stated.

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Male 90
woah, the comments for this are long but the writing below the line is very innovative and clever
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Male 2,850
Love is love, between consenting adults (perhaps the more appropriate wording is "consenting beings with the mental maturity required to be responsible for their own actions and make informed choices regarding them", but that`s a bit wordy).

Animals may well qualify, but until we can get the translation right, we can`t really judge it well enough (it`s hard to understand "no means no" from a horse). But then again, if you kill them and eat them, how can you be against drating them? Surely the killing is worse. I do neither; the killing/eating or the drating.

As for children, there is an age where someone becomes responsible for themselves. Personally, I think 18 (or as some crazy places have it, 21), is way too late. Maturity and puberty should go hand in hand. It`s 16 for sex in the UK. It really should be "as soon as your body is adult, whatever age that happens to you personally, we expect you to act like one; make sure you`re ready for it".

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Male 493
@kikayoaka:
Beastiality and adult/child sex are not "between two consenting adults". Beastiality is just animal abuse. Unless the animal likes it, in which case I don`t really care. Yeah, it`s really vomit-inducing and disgusting but different strokes for different folks I guess. Sex with children is abuse because children are not considered mature enough to give their consent. We protect them from cigarettes, alcohol, sex with adults, etc..

So neither of those is like homosexual relationships, which is just two people living with who they want, and doing what they want with their wieners. Why do you care?

But, you are wrong because individual rights should always trump whatever somebody else`s religious views say. Should an islamic country tell you that you can`t drink alcohol even if you`re not islamic? Should bacon be illegal because jews don`t like pork? Why should your particular religion affect what somebody else wants to do with their penises?

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Male 2,850
"kikayoaka: Homosexuality is acceptable in the same way that any activity between any fully consenting parties should be acceptable, and in fact none of anyone else`s business. Unless said activity could demonstrably cause irreparable harm to one or more of the parties involved."

That "unless" clause doesn`t belong there; it`s nobody`s business EVEN IF irreparable harm is caused to one or more parties involved, so long as it is consentual; a person of adult age is responsible for themself, and any harm to themselves that they consent to is nobody else`s business, and nobody has the right to protect them from themselves.

Otherwise, wouldn`t the surgeon or the peircing artist be guilty of a crime; surgical scars and holes through the ear could arguably be described as "harm".

ANYTHING done between consentual adults, that does not negatively affect anyone else who does not consent to be involved, should be the business of nobody else but those involved.

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Male 352
Alright, but you could say the same thing about bestiality, or relationships between adults and children, which I`m sure you view as disgusting.

While you could argue that it MAY cause harm to one of the parties, but there is about as much proof of that as there is that homosexuality causes harm.

But don`t get me wrong, I don`t support Bestiality or Adults having relationships with children. It just seems kind of hypocritical, I mean, love is love right?

Though I could be wrong, maybe you do support Bestiality and NAMBLA, I`m just assuming you don`t.

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Male 1,232
I didn`t catch the thing under it.
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Female 88
Oh my god....the intolerance of this world. How have we come to this? All of this homophobia. It makes me sick.
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Male 4,290
kikayoaka: Homosexuality is acceptable in the same way that any activity between any fully consenting parties should be acceptable, and in fact none of anyone else`s business. Unless said activity could demonstrably cause irreparable harm to one or more of the parties involved.

Mkay?

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Female 660
religions and state was and should always be seperated. Civil union and marriage is different,in that while one has all the benefits,the other has some. Marriage is not religious,unless you want it to be. Singling out homosexuals by banning marriage is so..it sounds so illegal.

while you can go on and on about how someone cant do this and that,YOU JUST CANT BAN SOMETHING YOU HAVE/CAN HAVE from the people you dont like or agree with.

Ridiculous

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Male 32
I just watched u2uber`s videos and i have a question? Did you delete your account or not.
P.S. I`m sorry but i laughed when you started to throw stuff in all your videos
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Male 352
Pro-Gays: You`re wrong for not backing up why homosexuality is wrong, but I`m still right even though I don`t back up why it`s right, just because I say so. And everyone that doesn`t agree with homosexuality is a homophobe! and a racist!

Anti-Gays: I`m not educated in my religion enough to provide examples why homosexuality is wrong other than "cuz god says so", though I can`t even quote scripture to backup that statement.

You`re all basically just saying: I`m right because I said so, and my opinion is the best.

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Male 137
CrakrJak - I like you.......I am so glad that some one is touchy about people US bashing....you are such easy, narcissistic and arrogant targets.....have that you unhistoric, illinformed, pickup driging, deer killing, Iraqi mudering, oil stealing, backwards, backwoods person!!! Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!! PththththT
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Female 208
Oh come on...that`s just sad and wrong...
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Female 27
That`s really sad ):

What if straights weren`t allowed to marry and gays were? How would you feel if the table was turned?

Love knows no gender (:

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Female 2,258
CrakrJak
"Also at 18-29 you certainly haven`t lived long enough to truly be a great judge of character, Especially mine."
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If you want to get personal, you can try, by all means. I won`t stop you. However, all you do is provide ample evidence to your true character. You can claim that I am too young to understand the complexities of your nature, but I`ll have to counter with saying you`re too old to think you are so wise or complex.

Also, it has long been my belief that the younger the person, the better the judge of character as a whole; despite an inability to intellectualize the reasoning. Not nearly as many prejudices clouding your judgment.

Again, this wasn`t about you and your pride in either yourself or your nation. "It ain`t all about you. That`s vanity."

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Male 14,331
"The Christian god can easily be pictured as virtually the same god as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes: fools and hypocrites." - Thomas Jefferson

"Lighthouses are more helpful then churches." - Benjamin Franklin

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Female 382
that made my eyes rainT_T
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Female 2,258
bassdee
"...i understand why a gay marriage shouldn`t be legalized. By all means civil unions i agree but to force churchs to do something they don`t believe in goes against the very thing this debate fights for. Freedom. Now, if a certain church is willing to marry a couple, by all means, let them do just that. But don`t force opinions or regulations on someone who isn`t that way"
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*coughs* Since when does allowing for gay marriage to be recognized by the government so that gay couples can have the same rights as heterosexual couples mean that the government is forcing churches to marry them? I`m an atheist and as such would never be allowed to marry within a Catholic church, unless I changed my ways and completed classes. Churches don`t have to condone or conduct gay marriages. The only thing wanted here is equality in the eyes of the government - not in the eyes of your god or the church.

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Male 8,302
> Painter13
> I have been with my wife for 19 years, never once has a gay couple ever ruined the sanctity of my marriage, how is this even possible?

Um... because... you`re... already effeminate enough to satisfy her...?

:-P
:-)

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Male 1,365
I have been with my wife for 19 years, never once has a gay couple ever ruined the sanctity of my marriage, how is this even possible?
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Male 12,365
"This just makes me really quite unhappy. I will never understand how anyone can have a problem with two people having consensual sex or loving each other, regardless of gender."

Some possible reasons:

i) Religion.
ii) Misunderstood religion.

iii) Projecting their own mind onto others, i.e. imagining themselves doing it, finding the idea disgusting and projecting that disgust onto others. It`s like me and cooked cheese. The smell makes me feel sick. Slimy, stinking cack - *to me*. It would be easy to overlook that part of it and say "cooked cheese is disgusting".

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Male 12,365
"I don`t have nothing against the gay people ~ just realize that I`m straight and don`t flirt and shyt"

It`s often impossible to tell up front, so people aren`t always going to realise unless you tell them. If some guy flirts with you, just politely tell him you`re straight. No fuss, no drama.

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Male 12,365
bassdee:

"i understand why a gay marriage shouldn`t be legalized. By all means civil unions i agree but to force churchs to do something they don`t believe in goes against the very thing this debate fights for."

The questions there are "what is marriage?" and "what should marriage be?" Religious? Political? Legal? Financial? All of the above? It wasn`t always religious in the past.

Here in the UK, it`s all been quietly handled by avoiding the contentious word "marriage". Civil partnerships are the same thing(*), but avoiding that word.

We could use "wedding" to refer to everything, as that`s nothing to do with religion. It`s from the OE `weddian`, meaning "to vow, to pledge".

* They`re enacted by signing vows rather than speaking them, but that`s just a reflection of modern literacy as opposed to past illiteracy. Speaking the vows would probably count by itself, given UK law, but no-one`s tested that.

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Male 134
gay men must be tough to want to have sex with men. btw, priya22 is a bot linking you to commercial site. it`s on some other posts too, maybe we should not click links in comments section anymore
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Male 2,552
"This just makes me really quite unhappy. I will never understand how anyone can have a problem with two people having consensual sex or loving each other, regardless of gender."

"coz its fudgeen disgusting"

Or because narrowminded people like you are still around, perhaps?

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Male 97
"This just makes me really quite unhappy. I will never understand how anyone can have a problem with two people having consensual sex or loving each other, regardless of gender."

coz its fudgeen disgusting

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Male 1,086
I do feel compassion for this man, because he died in the service. But I don`t like my views being manipulated by something equivalent to “Yellow Journalism” fodder, but not quite propaganda. Any who, sad loss for our country. I don`t have compassion for his cause, as it was so pointedly suggested I should.
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Male 17,512
"I bet you`re the kinda guy that would f^ck a person in the ass and not even have the common courtesy to give`m a reach around, I`ll be watching you." R Lee Ermey - Full Metal Jacket

Might explain the reason for the discharge.

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Female 1,963
This just makes me really quite unhappy. I will never understand how anyone can have a problem with two people having consensual sex or loving each other, regardless of gender.
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Male 17,512
Lauraly: I`ve had a beef with Maddog before (Maybe you didn`t know) He`s bashed the US several times and I`ve only returned in kind.

Also at 18-29 you certainly haven`t lived long enough to truly be a great judge of character, Especially mine. Maddog made yet another anti-US statement, I rebutted it. That`s all.

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Female 395
oh, my heart just tore a bit. that so sad!
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Female 1,112
hey souljah-23... that`s OK
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Male 207
I don`t have nothing against the gay people ~ just realize that I`m straight and don`t flirt and shyt
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Male 8,302
> mehh
> All i can say is Jesus was a pervert. He saw a flaming bush

Um. no. About 4000 years out, that was Moses.

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Male 2,850
bassdee, making gay marriage legal will not force churches to give gay marriages, just as churches are not forced to marry ANYONE they don`t want to right now. If you`re not Catholic and you ask to get married at a Catholic church, they`re entitled to say no.

Marriage is a civil agreement that some people choose to do with a religious service. That`s all. Gay people, like me, just want the same as straight people; the right to have that civil agreement without prejudice, and to have that religious service with any church that is willing. We`re not forcing anyone to participate.

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Male 9,305
AndroidMetro "Jesus sends homos to hell."

Wow and here I`ve been hearing the guy loved everyone. False advertising if you ask me. :(

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Male 174
WOW, the irony
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Female 1,112
tShelie... I don`t want a space war! I just want t see eye to eye haha! Glad we`re getting there!
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Male 690
"An army is an army against love"
--Beat Poet Gregory Corso, before being discharged from the US Army for his pacifism.
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Female 4,197
thanks dragon for the info ;)

and thanks to pariahnola and bumbleBB for keeping the peace. Not a lot of people do that, you two are awesome, cheers :)

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Female 1,112
Hey kudos for historical reference
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Female 4,028
Ah, I know that quote. This is the epitaph of Leonard P. Matlovich. He died 1988.
I love it.
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Male 1,958
Mehh, you`re thinking of Moses.
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Female 1,112
FLAMNG BUSH... I love it! ok I`m an athiest
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Female 528
All i can say is Jesus was a pervert. He saw a flaming bush.
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Female 1,112
Hey pariahnola.... don`t youwish we could meet lol
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Male 762
Damn , that aint right RIP
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Male 649
well i guess you gotta have some way of keeping on your toes lol, as long as we are having fun thats what counts lol
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Female 1,112
I appologize!!! IMB is one of the most diplomatically neutral sites available!!! No Fighting
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Female 1,112
my panties are always in a twist! (keeps me on my toes ;)) same page though... I love i-am-bored...
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Male 612
Can they do that?
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Male 70
im a little late to the discussion but i`d just like to say that i am a supporter of homosexuals/gays/queers/puffs/fairies or whatever anyone calls someone with same sex love interests, but, that being said, i understand why a gay marriage shouldn`t be legalized. By all means civil unions i agree but to force churchs to do something they don`t believe in goes against the very thing this debate fights for. Freedom. Now, if a certain church is willing to marry a couple, by all means, let them do just that. But don`t force opinions or regulations on someone who isn`t that way
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Female 340
How did it get to nationally bashing jokes? *heh*

Anyway...

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Female 4,197
alright pariahnola and bumbleBB, lets keep it clean yeah? no fighting :)
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Male 649
aw calm down i was just messing with you didn`t mean to make you get your panties in a twist
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Female 1,112
Great because per capita we have a greater army than you and a lot less hate so you can really use us in the future when China and India take over and put us all in sick medical testing facilities
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Male 649
its that kind of attitude that will lead america to victory when we finaly invade canada right after your military takes that year off bumblebb lol. naw i`m just messing with ya we would never mess with americas hat like that
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Female 1,112
In agreement with the the guy from Vermont... from canada where we`re a little more liberal... a little more loved... and a little less in debt than america.... get a life and let everyone live in their own right.
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Female 4,197
"Anyway, my point is, unless gay people actually seriously have an effect on you, which I seriously doubt they do, why don`t you all grow up and let other people live the way they want to live."

so very true.

And Nido, that is freaky as hell but it made me lol

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Male 189
A bloody or mucus discharge?
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Male 15,832
He should have taken some penicillin for that discharge.
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Male 610
i rarely call shop, but...COME ON!
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Male 85
To everyone who posted on this -
I am from Vermont, where gay marraige was very recently legalized. I don`t really care how people choose to love one another, but when i see people saying all of this crap about how being gay is wrong without anything to back it up except the bible and their own immature minds, it sort of pisses me off. This picture is sad, but it also causes a whole lot of debate.

Anyway, my point is, unless gay people actually seriously have an effect on you, which I seriously doubt they do, why don`t you all grow up and let other people live the way they want to live.

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Male 807
Jesus sends homos to hell.
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Female 179
That is very sad.

this world should be not be a place for discrimination against something an individual sees as different but a place for love and respect for one another.

And to the anti-gay "Christians" on this thread... please start acting more Christ-like.

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Male 7,933
Shawdow....you now have a special place in my heart
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Male 9,305
The last time I visited a graveyard someone had placed an offering at a tombstone. It was a tray that had a fried pig`s head and vegetables in it.

Most...unique offering I`ve ever seen outside the flowers and angel statue group.

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Male 12,365
"The comment page is just appalling. The anti-gays are blathering idiots, and the pro-gays have no idea what the hell they`re talking about."

What about those of us who are neither anti-gay nor pro-gay?

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Male 12,365
"Quit claiming to be a "former" part of the queer community."

He didn`t. He claimed that he used to be homosexual. Totally different thing. "the queer community" is a group some homosexuals choose to join, not all homosexuals.

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Female 340
"Me and graveyards see each other more often than not. Great spots to chill."

The graveyard down the street used to be my thinking/writing/journalling spot. It was so calm...

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Female 1,436
Wow, that is truly the saddest tombstone. Def pulled at my heartstrings.
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Female 1,427
"The comment page is just appalling. The anti-gays are blathering idiots, and the pro-gays have no idea what the hell they`re talking about."

Elaborate, if you think you`re an expert?

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Female 340
Wow.... I wish that would not have been necessary on the tombstone.

As for ChristianU2b, I have some very interesting thoughts about sexual development, in both physical and orientation manners. As a teen, people will experiment, and will find out what their preferences are. Mine are mostly homosexual, yours are now mostly hetero. I don`t think you `used to be` gay, as it is not a choice, it is just part of who you are. If you truly were, then you would still be gay, and are probably in denial. If you definitely are NOT now, then you probably never were, and were likely finding out for yourself where your preferences lay.

Quit claiming to be a "former" part of the queer community. It`s true what they say: Once queer, always queer. I was in denial as a teenager too, mostly based on my religious upbringing. Now I embrace it fully.

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Female 107
Kikayoaka, the word youre talking about is heterosexist correct?
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Female 1,427
"God invented men and women so they could have babies and the dad could go off and fight in wars."

I`d also like to state that the concept of "war" as we know it in human history originally started as small-scale raiding and had no political concept until... well, the rise of politics.

So, if your God exists, he didn`t invent men and women so daddy could go fight in wars. Also, Garden of Eden, biblical mythos, etc. Your statement is fallible and wrong.

Word for the wise: troll logically, young padwan.

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Male 352
Also, stop using homophobia wrong, it`s not the a word you can throw at everyone that doesn`t agree with homosexuality, well, you could do that, but it`d be wrong.
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Male 352
The comment page is just appalling. The anti-gays are blathering idiots, and the pro-gays have no idea what the hell they`re talking about.
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Female 1,427
"Silly description btw, its not like on average ANY of us see ANY tombstones every day, so of course its the best one today."

Actually... it IS the saddest tombstone I`ve seen today.

Me and graveyards see each other more often than not. Great spots to chill.

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Male 485
ahahah everyone hates christianU2b
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Female 176
oh geez...
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Blakcat71388
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
515 Posts Wednesday, April 22, 2009 7:57:43 PM
opiebreath>

The word "homosexual" and the concept of being "gay" is new. I assure you this.

Until the late 1800`s, there were gay acts. There were romantic relationships between women. There were men sleeping with men. But they were not considered gay. They were considered as individual acts of sex.
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Wrong...well partially anyway..about the individal acts of sex. Achilles and Patroclus where two ancient Greek lovers...however..due to the nature of Greek culture at the time it wasnt anything out of the ordinary (for ancient Greece anyway).
Historically if you even admitted being gay terrible things would happen to you. Life in prison..excecution etc. Better to admit to a single act and repent than be loud and proud. You can blame the church for that one. Bloody hel..it happens today still. Look at Iran. Th

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Male 12,365
"God said in the bible that the gay marriage is bad"

Go on, tell me where. Chapter and verse, please. Preferably with the original language (which isn`t English, obviously).

I can use your own holy texts to prove you`re wrong about how Christians should view homosexuality. I`m not the only person, either - I noticed Blakcat71388 succinctly making the same point.

Basically, you`re wrong. Even within the context of your own religion, you`re wrong firstly because the translations you read are wrong and secondly because you`re contradicting yourself concerning Christian adherence to Mosaic law without even knowing that you`re doing so.

If you do rule out Mosaic law on the basis that Jesus brought humanity a new covenant with God, you`re left with a Greek word that doesn`t exist outside that one letter of Paul`s. So what does it mean? No-one really knows. Paul wasn`t Jesus or god, anyway.

Christians should know more about their own religion than atheists do.

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@ChristianU2b


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Female 17
Being gay is wrong. It was on Tv and in the Bible too.


wait, wait, wait...Tv AND the bible?? well its settled then. couldn`t be more wrong.

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Male 12,365
SuperSmash: You have a point, but it`s not as much as you might think. The issue is context. Simply showering with other soldiers isn`t a sexual context outside of uniform fetish porn films. Do you think gay men can`t use communual showers in gyms without getting an erection? Of course they can - it`s context again.

As for being looked at - soldiers aren`t delicate Victorian ladies who`ll have an attack of the vapours if a man merely looks at them. If someone is staring rudely, that can be dealt with like anything else. A reasonable "<name>, stop staring at my arse" should do the trick. Not a big deal, really.

The real issue is relationships between soldiers, especially of different ranks. That`s a major issue that would of course crop up a lot more with open homosexuality in the military.

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Male 29
To everyone who keeps calling me a homo... I am no longer a homo. I stopped that an am now very interested in girls. So just stop it.
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Female 4,197
Congratulations humanity.

Applaud a man who murders and yet punish him for love

*claps sarcasticly*

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Female 33
wait wait... @ChristianU2b...weren`t you that one kid that on utube continually told everyone you werent gay?
J/W.

And tis a sad tombstone.

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opiebreath>

The word "homosexual" and the concept of being "gay" is new. I assure you this.

Until the late 1800`s, there were gay acts. There were romantic relationships between women. There were men sleeping with men. But they were not considered gay. They were considered as individual acts of sex.

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Male 3,369
Well..it`s obvious ChristianU2b is either a very confused kid, brainwashed beyond belief OR expert troll and you all fell for it.

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Male 95
At ChristianU2b:
Go f*** yourself. Thank you and have a rotten day, you pig.
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Male 57
hehe it`s the homo kid
aka the retarded christian
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Male 3,819
@KillerBear

I agree. I doubt it`s actually the real kid, and if it`s not, that`s sad. Imitating people shows you wanna be more like the person being imitated. Looks like the "stop calling me homo" kid has a groupie!

P.S. Welcome to I-A-B.

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Male 12
@christianu2b
ok dude...............
y r u trying to be like the screaming little homo kid? seriously..................... retard
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Male 1,598
It`s kind of thought-provoking about war and all that, but... Why would you want that on your tombstone?
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Male 29
@dance4life...
I didn`t say anything about your mom or your gay friend. I have nothing against gay people, anyway. I used to be gay myself. I an not sure what manner of protest you are trying to present. I respect all of those who put their lives in harm`s way in order to defend freedom.
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Male 1,078
hahaha.
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Female 209
ChristianU2b,
you`re joking right?? I certainly hope so because my mom was in the military and i`m damn proud of her for it. and my gay best friend is getting ready to get shipped off and i hope to God that nobody belittles him for being gay. he could probably kick all their asses anyway.
i say more power to the gay soldiers. enough of the don`t ask, don`t tell. just let them be who they are
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Male 486
lol @ Veggieman
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Male 9,305
Oh Lion...jeeze...clever as hell but damn if it wasn`t the most horrible-timed joke all day...
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Male 1,666
I dunno Lionhart, some IAB-ers may be gravediggers...
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Male 338
that`s much sadder than the other tombstones i`ve seen today...
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Male 8,302
Silly description btw, its not like on average ANY of us see ANY tombstones every day, so of course its the best one today.
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Male 8,302
The irony is, he got a discharge for getting more than one discharge...
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Male 2,748
wow, that is really sad...
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Male 596
ouch
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Female 310
that is kind of saddly ironic
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Male 1,674
"this is not sad. omg people. shoot men, dont blow them!"

so says the man with Paul Rubins as his avitar.

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Male 54
I`d comment, but I think my avatar lays it all out ;-)
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Male 197
LOL @LazyMe484!!!!
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Male 57
let the gays be people.... they give us good quality shows like The wiggles
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Male 731
I thought it said "saddest trombone", and got really nervous clicking that link...

But yeah, that is sad. I`m ashamed in all of these people saying such homophobic things.

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Male 10,440
To be fair, its the ONLY tombstone I`ve seen today.
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Female 15,763
Alyth: Makes much more sense.

Thanks.

:3

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Male 426
this is not sad. omg people. shoot men, dont blow them!
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Male 315
"
This was just sad. I have no reason to judge people. Humans are humans. And the greeks were massive homosexuals. Most of their prominent thinkers were."

I`m not sure "Massive" is the best word for that sentence. XD

"
Don`t ask, don`t tell, enjoy eternity in hell."

I hope you`re kidding

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Female 92
This made me sad. :(
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Male 807
Don`t ask, don`t tell, enjoy eternity in hell.
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Male 2,125
ChristianU2B is a troll. Can we kick his ass out now?
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Male 1,718
This was just sad. I have no reason to judge people. Humans are humans. And the greeks were massive homosexuals. Most of their prominent thinkers were.
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Male 11
Oh noes! Got cut off somehow.
Eve Kosofky Sedgwick`s book "Epistemology of the Closet" is the last bit of that.
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Male 11
"""The concept of being gay didn`t come around until the late 1800`s"

Uhh... Greeks and Romans?""

Right so...to clarify here, I think what Blakcat is trying to say is that the idea of describing someone`s sexual preference in terms of `gay` or `straight` didn`t come up until the 1800s. There have certainly always been people who prefer romantic and sexual relations with others of the same sex, but `gay` as a social category distinguished from `straight` is only a very recent phenomenon. For those lovely Greeks and Romans, men taking on male partners were not `gay` or any other term to set them apart. That was just something that people did.

You could just as easily separate people in terms of what sexual activities they enjoy, in which settings, or with which types of men or women - it`s important to remember that `sodomy` originally meant anal and oral sex between any two partners.

A great source for this sort of information is Eve Sedg

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Male 29
God invented men and women so they could have babies and the dad could go off and fight in wars.
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Male 4,393
.......... :(
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Female 403
it kinda makes sense
like, you get awards for taking a human life, but when you find your true love, they kick you out for it.
very sad.
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Male 3,755
This is an honest, stupid opinion I have. What do you with gays in the military? Where do they bunk and shower? Do they sleep and shower with the women, men, or do they get their own facilities. Will they need three bathrooms?

When considering the rights of one group, you can`t ignore the rights of another. Like the right to a comfortable, non-stared-at shower. If I took a shower with a bunch of women, I would get a boner. Simple as that. Don`t deny that gays would have the same result in a room full of naked men. If not, they`re fake gays.

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Male 513

I love you opie!! In a completely, non-sexual, "I`m a homo", kinda way. ;)
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Female 9,558
Wow, that was sad. I am in full suport of gays and gay marrage.
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Female 15,763
"but instead of trying to integrate the army with homos who probably have higher levels of the wrong hormones for their sex, which could possibly downplay on their fighting ability, let`s try to stop war. amiright?"

Whoa whoa whoa.

They passed all of the physical and mental exams just like everyone else. Careful with your words there.

"That`s the problem. heterosexuals can just ge ta prostitute (although then we have STD problems) while homosexuals can fall in love WITHIN the military."

You know there are men prostitutes, right? And women in the military too?

Just an heads up... o_O

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Female 15,763
"The concept of being gay didn`t come around until the late 1800`s"

Uhh... Greeks and Romans?

Homosexuality wasn`t just invented by some bored guy in the 1800`s. Many ancient societies not only had it, but embraced it. Humans have found out that sex is great with many different kinds of people for a long long time.

P.S. Something tells me he isn`t really paying attention to the shellfish part of the bible... c:

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Male 9,305
Yeah, and if I wanted to be black I`d just "pray the white away".

e_e

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Male 29
"Wait. THE "stop calling me homo" kid? In the flesh? No wai"

Please, don`t start... I am no longer gay. I am VERY interested in girls now. Being gay is wrong. It was on Tv and in the Bible too.

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Female 213
A looooot of stupid comments up in here
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Female 876
Well, the whole gay people being a problem in the military thing goes back... To... Oh jeez I don`t know the date. But anyway. The Communist scare.

The government labeled gay people as a security threat similar to communists. Gays were not able to have government jobs, either.

So, we`re immoral. Terrorists. Or sick.

Come on. Really?

No, it`s a load of bull.

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Male 1,204
Now if he were gay in his own personal life and was a perfectly fine soldier, then of course I have no objections to his actions in a military perspective. But of course we won`t know the true story.
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Male 1,204
"Which, of course is bull: if homosexuals can`t have sexual activity during their enlistment, heterosexuals shouldn`t be able to either. XD"

That`s the problem. heterosexuals can just ge ta prostitute (although then we have STD problems) while homosexuals can fall in love WITHIN the military. unless you can keep your love life clear of anything military, then there will be problems.

but instead of trying to integrate the army with homos who probably have higher levels of the wrong hormones for their sex, which could possibly downplay on their fighting ability, let`s try to stop war. amiright?

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Male 1,204
The problem with gays in military is the problem of discipline. The way military works just can`t allow for people to really love each other in a sexual way, that will cause too much of the wrong kind of attachment, the way war works it just causes all sorts of problems and fights later on.

That`s a purely military perspective. Now I`m not in the military, but that`s what I get from reading book like ALl Quiet on the Western Front and all that jazz.

although war altogether prob aint too good either.

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Female 1,427
"Wait. THE "stop calling me homo" kid? In the flesh? No wai!"

That`s why I`m hoping it`s a parody account.

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Female 876
Christian:
The concept of being gay didn`t come around until the late 1800`s... Clearly, long after the Bible was written.

Your homework: Do a little research on the *actual* Bible texts that are being used against homosexuals now. What was the original word? What did it mean?

You may be surprised by what you find.

And I hope you`re also giving up shellfish and football, `cause God said those are bad, too. :3

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Male 3,819
Wait. THE "stop calling me homo" kid? In the flesh? No wai!
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Male 117
He probably got killed because he loved a guy too. =/
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Male 29
God said in the bible that the gay marriage is bad, so I am pretty sure that being gay and wearing cammo green or beige and killing baddies is bad too.
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Male 29
"I hope that`s a parody account. XDDD"

I got booted from YouTube because of some stupid rule.

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Male 1,254
It is something that has occurred throughout U.S. military history though. With its main concern on keeping up with military matters it falls behind on social matters.

But in those days, the controversies weren`t as well documented for many reasons. Now we have 24/7 media coverage and the public still suffers from the Vietnam Syndrome, so we see the backlash from DADT as it stands today.

History has shown the military eventually comes around to changing to new social mores. It just shouldn`t be forced too quickly, as I have constantly been blathering. :-P

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Female 1,427
"I used to be gay, but now I am not (long story). So if Mondo48 does not go in for enlistment, I can cover his ass when I am legal, in about 5 years."

I hope that`s a parody account. XDDD

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Female 876
This makes me sad. :(

But on the bright side, homophobia is falling out of style. Our allies are coming out more and more frequently. I`m loving all the support.

Do away with DADT. ><

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Female 1,427
And, actually, removing DADT would save some money: there is a lot of money invested in every soldier, and there has been a significant waste of money from expelling soldiers who have been found(note I say found. You can have an investigation launched from rumors) to be homosexual or engaging in homosexual activity.

Which, of course is bull: if homosexuals can`t have sexual activity during their enlistment, heterosexuals shouldn`t be able to either. XD

"So that`s where the government can get involved. Make them aware a change should be made. Make deadlines. Offer more funding to do it quicker, threaten to remove funding if it is not done."

I like that idea.

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Male 29
I used to be gay, but now I am not (long story). So if Mondo48 does not go in for enlistment, I can cover his ass when I am legal, in about 5 years.
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Female 1,427
""But servicemen and women can`t be who they are, OUTSIDE of a base. If you`re a man dating a man and you`re enlisted, you`re discharged if you even mention it."

I hadn`t thought of that situation, and I agree that could be easily done away with quickly. And the ramifications would be mild at best."

I don`t expect ANY soldier to be flaunting their sexuality, gay or straight or anything else, during active war-situations. Your private life has no place in that action.

Just like you don`t talk about that crap at a normal job. Military work is a job. Treat it as such.

The main reason I have a problem with DADT is that it pries into the life you have off-base. If you`re not in uniform 24/7, I don`t see why you can`t be dating whomever you want.

It`s not just DADT I have a problem with. As a solider, you can be discharged or tried in a Military Court of Law for having a threesome, for instance, even with your spouse`s consent and participation. It`s bull.

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Male 1,254
@Dystopia

Its not surprising though that the military isn`t doing much on its own. It would take money and resources and as of now the status quo has gone relatively smoothly.

So that`s where the government can get involved. Make them aware a change should be made. Make deadlines. Offer more funding to do it quicker, threaten to remove funding if it is not done.

I`m not a huge fan of politicians getting their dirty fingers involved with the military, but for bipartisanship, and the good of the country, it appears to be the most viable option.

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Mondo48:
Ok, let me get this straight...You don`t want a gay guy to protect you, because he`s gay? That`s like saying you don`t want Jewish people fighting for you, because they`re Jewish. But, OH MY GAWD- That`d be Anti-Semitic. Jewish people shouldn`t be excluded because they believe something other than what you do. Same concept for homosexuals, but nobody seems to see that. How the f**k does homosexual behavior harm you?


Realbadman:

I`m just going to assume you`re ignorant of statistics on AIDS. A lot of people are, sadly. Many think that more homosexual people get it. Guess what? According to National Institutes of Health, National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Disease - December 2000,80% of HIV infections resulted from Heterosexual intercourse.
Crakrjak:

There`s a difference between expressing your opinion and infringing upon other peoples` rights. `nuff said.

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Male 502
The whole "gays in the military" controversy is such bullpoo. The only people who are threatened by gay people serving in the military are people in the military who are afraid of letting go of their fear of their own "gayness" which they have hidden (some by joing the military... And I salute their service equally).
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Male 1,254
"But servicemen and women can`t be who they are, OUTSIDE of a base. If you`re a man dating a man and you`re enlisted, you`re discharged if you even mention it."

I hadn`t thought of that situation, and I agree that could be easily done away with quickly. And the ramifications would be mild at best.

I just fear that because of that situation, some more uninformed leaders will decide to make a wholesale change based completely on that situation.

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Male 1,254
That is what will happen if something backfires with removing DADT. No one will blame Obama, the commentators, and the Congressmen. Everyone will blame the military leaders that couldn`t keep a check on their soldiers.

But I have presented a viable option. Take it slowly. Make the military aware of the situation, and take time to prepare. And then if something goes awry the military can be held accountable. But if the repulsion of the policy is done within the next few years, and if backlash comes, not only will it be undue on the military, but it will be severely crippled.

And we may need a strong military in good morale sometime in the future. Just maybe.

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Male 1,254
Soldiers in the ranks have been killed before due to prejudices, its nothing that is celebrated, but it has happened. Thinking it can`t happen today is irresponsible.

You can ask soldiers all you want to put aside their feelings, but if something in their environment has created an instinctual reaction in their mind, asking wont do anything. As I said below it needs to be a slow process, so those reactions can be slowly dissolved.

Your argument against accountably is true. The military can`t run around unchecked. BUT, if you force them into instituting a new policy, one that has not been thoroughly researched, and then it backfires, it is not right to hold them accountable. Its like an owner starving and beating a dog. Then when he backs it into a corner it bites his arm. He`ll hold the dog accountable even though it was his actions that led to the result. ...Continued

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Male 247
...mostly...
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Male 247
@ peloos.. lol... this has actually been a fairly intelligent discussion. IAB may well become a conduit for conflict resolution (I see no flames here).
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Male 13,630
Ohhhh Peloos12...you tinker!!
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Female 1,427
"They way I see it is, you join the military, they prepare and ask of you to give of your life if necessary. They ask that you fight and perhaps die for millions of people you will never know. Is asking someone to not outwardly express a sexual orientation that is uncomfortable in such a close fraternity worse than asking them to die for their country?"

It`s not only that they can`t express it in a close fraternity. That makes perfect sense to me; love and romance and sex have no place in times of war.

But servicemen and women can`t be who they are, OUTSIDE of a base. If you`re a man dating a man and you`re enlisted, you`re discharged if you even mention it.

This isn`t "ooh, I`m totally gay and there`s nothing you can do about it!!"

This is getting discharged for mentioning, "me and Tommy went to the movies tonight. I love him so much." When any other man could replace "Tommy" with "Tina" and get away with it.

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Female 1,082
"I should clarify, Don`t Ask Don`t Tell could be removed at some point. But I completely disagree with a set date and time that it will be removed. There needs to be feasibility studies, training, and preparations made before a change in policy can go into effect."

i agree with this, yet so far the military has done nothing to address this issue. yes personnel should have to be required to accept their gay bretheren before the homosexuals start coming out in the military, however the military hasn`t begun to work on this at all. they keep the don`t ask don`t tell stance with no plans for integration. and i see people taking the stance that we should take the gays out of the military cause everyone else can`t handle it. well its not really everyone else`s problem now is it?

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Male 1,254
One more snippet of information. Segregation in the military was in place for roughly a century. Starting around Operation Husky in WWII was the first instance of interracial units being used in combat. The ranks were not fully integrated until Vietnam, roughly a 30 year time span.

That worked well and there was little problem with a slow implementation with segregation. So let`s make a note and integrate slowly. Crack open a history book Obama, no dismantling in 2010. Make it a gradual process.

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Female 1,427
"Its not just sexual harassment, which would undoubtedly occur. Its the possibility of some (arguably) ignorant soldiers who do not accept homosexuality. Its the possibility that openly gay soldiers could be assaulted and killed."

If you`re willing to kill a fellow serviceman, regardless of why, you`ve got more problems to worry about. The US military isn`t going to let murders happen in their own force.

"When hate crimes and killings start appearing in the ranks, nearly all public military support will crumble. Can we afford a disenfranchised military in this day and age?"

The military SHOULD be held up to be accountable for all its actions. Military support is already crumbling, anyway. Instead of upholding back-water ideals, why not tell your soldiers to put their prejudice aside for their fellow servicemen and save it for the terrorists?

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Male 3,819
Hey, guys. Anything interesting going on in here?

La la la la la la la.....

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Male 391
thats so sad
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Male 13,630
And to Andy !
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Male 3,915
that is some deep poo...kinda sad...more moving though...kinda...
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Male 13,630
*Salutes Corrine26, and firetiger16* HELL YEAH!!
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Male 1,254
And the argument about other NATO nation`s militaries does not equate to a similar situation in America. Like it or not, our culture is steeped with many "anti-sentiments" against race, creed, and culture. Introducing such an open policy in an Military as massive and far reaching as the United States could have profound consequences, which is the thesis of my argument.

I should clarify, Don`t Ask Don`t Tell could be removed at some point. But I completely disagree with a set date and time that it will be removed. There needs to be feasibility studies, training, and preparations made before a change in policy can go into effect. If a wholesale change is made as some commentators want and as Obama is pledging, we could have an ugly situation in the Military.

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Male 247
simim23: "The sad part is, by saying that, you`re still using being homosexual as a means to insult them, because you know they`ll take it as an insult.
In a way, you`re no better than they are. -_-;;"

huh? Please explain (you may wanna check my profile before you do).

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Male 1,254
Its not just sexual harassment, which would undoubtedly occur. Its the possibility of some (arguably) ignorant soldiers who do not accept homosexuality. Its the possibility that openly gay soldiers could be assaulted and killed. After the Vietnam Syndrome that would completely run the U.S. Military asunder.

Ever since Vietnam, the military has been walking a fine line and must be accountable for all of its actions. When hate crimes and killings start appearing in the ranks, nearly all public military support will crumble. Can we afford a disenfranchised military in this day and age?

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Female 70
Scrolling thru the comments, my guess is that Mondo48 had to leave so he could enlist in the Army or Marines when he found out there used to be gay guy who was in the military back in `Nam. Thank you for defending us, Mondo. I am gonna sleep feeling so safe tonight knowing you are out there on the front lines defending freedom.
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Female 362
I think Mondo should join the army if he doesn`t want a gay man fighting for him. But, he wouldn`t last one day in boot camp let alone a few years over seas in a war. He would want to go crying home to his mommy.
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Female 1,427
"It has been a momentus day for IAB. Four people have "outed" themselves here today: Mondo, Ike Crakr and Android. I think we should all applaud them, give them our support and give them a big *hug*"

The sad part is, by saying that, you`re still using being homosexual as a means to insult them, because you know they`ll take it as an insult.

In a way, you`re no better than they are. -_-;;

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Male 1,803
I don`t get why gays are banned from the military. If you`re under fire, trust me, the last thing you`re thinking about is sex with anyone...
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Female 1,427
"These practices have given the United States some of the best soldiers in the world; should we get rid of them because they tread a fine line with the Constitution? I argue no, the ends definitely justify the means."

Whether or not US soldiers are some of the best is debatable, for one.

And 22 out of 26 NATO countries permit homosexuals to openly serve in the military. The important thing to focus on is not whether the person is homosexual, rather, on sexual harassment conditions and guidelines. Straight men and women are just as capable of sexual harassment, after all. Ask anyone who`s left basic training to go onward to technical training if they`ve ever felt sexually harassed. Playing grab-ass with your buddies isn`t any less "gay" if they`re straight, and even if they are straight, do you really want your ass grabbed?

As for "treading a fine line with the Constitution," how are we supposed to defend our rights if we do not grant them to our

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Female 1,427
***defenders?
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Male 1,254
It would be nice if it were as simple as saying, "Homosexuals can now be open with their orientation in the military." But what consequences would there be? Honestly. We`d all love to believe that it would be smooth and there would be no problems, but look at it realistically, and you know the military could easily get severe black eyes from any number of incidents.

They way I see it is, you join the military, they prepare and ask of you to give of your life if necessary. They ask that you fight and perhaps die for millions of people you will never know. Is asking someone to not outwardly express a sexual orientation that is uncomfortable in such a close fraternity worse than asking them to die for their country?

I`m not supporting Don`t Ask Don`t Tell because of anti-homosexual sentiments. I support it because I believe the third party opposition has not truly considered the ramifications of what they are requesting. And I believe those ramifications could be dire.

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Male 650
Mondo said: "i dont want a gay guy fighting for me. Let him pack sh*t in the comfort of his own home."

Sadly Mondo, your voice is only one of millions. Take a seat.

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Male 650
Boy, is it easy to judge

How about next time look at all your shortcomings then approach them like you do for this guy and others. Chances are you`ll realize how ridiculous your actions have been.

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Male 247
Just because they are now on page 4 of the comments, and because they should be at the top of page 1...
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Mondo48
Male, 18-29, Southern US
56 Posts Wednesday, April 22, 2009 12:19:03 PM
and they should`ve, too

i dont want a gay guy fighting for me. Let him pack sh*t in the comfort of his own home.
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Male 1,254
The problem with arguments against the Don`t Ask Don`t Tell policy is that they largely come from 3rd parties who are justifying their arguments solely on "politically correct" and Constitutional grounds. Enforcing the Constitution is all well and good, and PC is definitely debatable, so what is the problem one may ask?

The problem is that the military cannot function in such black and white terms. Some of the practices in boot camps and training could definitely be brought under Constitutional scrutiny, however they are necessary to make a citizen into a soldier. These practices have given the United States some of the best soldiers in the world; should we get rid of them because they tread a fine line with the Constitution? I argue no, the ends definitely justify the means.

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Male 2,125
seriously, AndroidMetro? You know that for sure? Did you and God have coffee together and talk about this guy? What else did he tell you? When the apocalypse is gonna happen?
Go F*ck Yourself
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Male 247
It has been a momentus day for IAB. Four people have "outed" themselves here today: Mondo, Ike Crakr and Android. I think we should all applaud them, give them our support and give them a big *hug*
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Male 404
Ew. Fred Phelps. That church is disgusting.
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Female 1,427
However, Barack Obama has stated he plans to repeal the Don`t Ask, Don`t Tell policy by 2010.
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Male 445
Android:

When you see him, tell fred that he looks totally gay in a cowboy hat.

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Female 1,427
@opie: "So what`s the current policy? Didn`t they sac the don`t ask don`t tell one?"

Sadly, no.

Wikipedia:

"Unless one of the exceptions from 10 U.S.C. § 654(b) applies, the policy prohibits anyone who "demonstrate(s) a propensity or intent to engage in homosexual acts" from serving in the armed forces of the United States, because it "would create an unacceptable risk to the high standards of morale, good order and discipline, and unit cohesion that are the essence of military capability." The act prohibits any homosexual or bisexual person from disclosing his or her sexual orientation or from speaking about any homosexual relationships, including marriages or other familial attributes, while serving in the United States armed forces. The "don`t ask" part of the policy indicates that superiors should not initiate investigation of a servicemember`s orientation in the absence of disallowed behaviors, though mere suspicion of

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Female 1,427
***homosexual behavior can cause an investigation."
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Male 445
Mondo, you`re an ass.

OPIE, what the hell? Is that your normal hair color? Do you have a normal hair color? GAH, I should just change my age in my profile so I don`t look creepy.

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Male 97
@murraymalty: This discussion IS about the link. Did you click on the pic?
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Male 807
And now he`s in hell.
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Male 1,958
Ferdy, you said it best. Love him or hate him, he died for his country.
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Female 2,672
omfg i was looking at this and i had an amazing idea,
why don`t we TRY and give a crap about the actual link, not about how awesome we all are

srsly, being a douche gets you nowhere

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Female 965
:( RIP.
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Female 1,082
my heart goes out to him
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Male 13,630
Not wanting to cause a riot, well, make it any worse, but whatever your views, this guy fought for a country, it being the USA, like him/hate him, he fought, and he died, let him be
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Male 97
"Unlike in Europe we in the US are free to like/dislike and love/bash anything we choose to.

Our opinions aren`t provided for us, Like in the nanny state."

Huh? I just tabbed through three pages of opinion here, and must say it is a good discussion. Who is being a nanny here? That comment makes no sense.

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Male 19
when i read it it had 69 comments, i am number 70...some how it did not seem funny having cruel number on it....well very sad indeed.

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Male 13,630
Yup - flame war still a going
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Female 2,258
Wow CrakrJak, way to take a sexual orientation discussion and prove your own views and comments as invalid by changing it to bash on someone else`s country. Your opinions were provided for you in the way that you were raised and only become your own when you can rationalize and defend them without external help. We are ALL products of our environments. So, next time, please refrain from turning a perfectly interesting conversation into some pissing match over who has the better country. All it does is take away from the mumbling incoherent mess you intended as a point.
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Male 14,331
People can say whatever they want but how do some of you find this funny. This guy was probably drafted then went to fight for his country in poorly supportted war.He obviously saw combat and was discharged even though he fought for something that dosen`t hurt anyone. That`s just stupid who knows what could have happened if they kept him he may have been able to save other peoples lives then again he might have also gotten killed.
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summarr
Female, 13-17, Eastern US 37 Posts Wednesday, April 22, 2009 12:50:27 PM
Aw. That`s sad.
& just for the record, I don`t care if someones gay or not. But if a girl`s hitting on me, then that`s a tad weird.
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Whether you are a squatter or a stemwinder, who has not been in a situation where you have been hit on by someone (doesn`t matter, male or female) with whom you wanted nothing to do. You say, "Thanks, but no thanks, but thank you for the flattery." And then you you go on with your life.
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Female 5,222
thats heartbreaking :( the vietnam vets get it bad to begin with, then to throw in the fact that he was gay in american society.. its sad
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Male 13,630
Indeed...jennifer6716, as young as you are, you have hit the nail on the head...Nuff said... few words, but all thats needed
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Female 470
I don`t see how this is an "lol" tombstone...

It`s a sad commentary on our society....

and a flame war starter :P

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Male 1,627
lol
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Male 17,512
Maddog: `Are you that daft you compare disliking shellfish to bashing gays?`

Unlike in Europe we in the US are free to like/dislike and love/bash anything we choose to.

Our opinions aren`t provided for us, Like in the nanny state.

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Male 13,630
I think the only way the world will accept everyone, creed, colour, religion, sexuality together, is when the little green men arrive on the planet...thus giving everyone else something to throw stones at...
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Male 1,078
Btw, Evanking, I kind of expected somebody to respond like that. In fact, I would have been disappointed if you didn`t. Other than you being absolutely right (and I am speaking with no sarcasm whatsoever) I realize that that is the risk when making such statements, because I end up stereotyping ppl even more in such things, and I risk being seen as a douc*ebag. But hey, it`s my opinion, however incorrect and bigoted, and you know, it`d be better if we can talk about it, so go on, rip me. I both agree and disagree.
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lukas1051
Male, 18-29, Europe
561 Posts Wednesday, April 22, 2009 1:02:03 PM
No. What I was trying to say didn`t come out right, which is why I deleted my comment.
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Ok..fair enough. I disagree with your analogy of modern society however. The problem is the few intollerant douches who make it hard for everyone else. I would not attempt to force anyone to accept homosexuality if it made them truly uncomfterbal. That is freedom of choice. However..if that person decideds to act upon that dislike..i.e taking it further with verbal or physical assault then we have a problem. Obviously in the case of homosexuality there is a HUGE issue in the overal subject.

As with your original statement..you would not attempt to make shellfish an illigal food and have it banned for the millions who do love it. Thats not the case with many homophobes thus my inherant urge to kurb stomp every member of the westboro baptist church!

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Male 247
YAY Lauraly! Why do people like Mondo and Lukas care about what people like this soldier are doing in private with another consenting adult? In what way are they threatened? (hint... issues!)
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Male 1,078
Evanking:

It`s because I`m a self-righteous hypocrite, isn`t it?

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Male 689
"everybody should get a gay friend and a friend of a different race. Helps a lot (I`ve had 2 lesbian teachers"

people like you make me sad. and not for the reason that i`m sure everybody here will assume.

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Male 185
"Guss what he died of..."

I hate stereotypin stuff but, aids?

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Male 342
Guss what he died of... aids Leonard Matlovich is his name in case anyone is curious.
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Male 388
"everybody should get a gay friend and a friend of a different race. Helps a lot (I`ve had 2 lesbian teachers"

if i had had 2 lesbian teachers, i wouldn`t have gotten much done in college....i would spent the entire class time fantasizing....

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Male 1,078
That`s really sad...
Btw Altaru, not to take away from your point, just saying the draft was still in effect during Vietnam. But what you say is true.

Not to be insensitive or anything, but I think everybody should get a gay friend and a friend of a different race. Helps a lot (I`ve had 2 lesbian teachers in the last 4 years and I can attest that they`re perfectly normal and do NOT in any way detract from the classroom whatsoever...well at least 1, I`m pretty sure the other is lesbian...well, that came off far more bigoted than I meant it to...um...awkward)

Btw Sentinel, amazing avatar

Oh, and yes, Mondo is an idiot and should be moved to Iran, where they "have no gays"

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Male 388
lol...
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Female 2,258
This is depressing. Part of me is really curious as to where this tombstone is; I`d love to visit it.


Opie, to answer your question, as far as I know the "Don`t Ask; Don`t Tell" policy is still in effect. Ben and I have discussed it before. I don`t like it, but he defends the policy by stating that it actually protects gay service men and women. Even though we`d like people to be open minded; allowing soldiers to be open about their "alternative" sexuality could lead them to be disgraced from the rest of their unit, putting lives at risk in combat zones, and making it more difficult to get effective work done.
I believe the only way to move towards acceptance and understanding is to force people to deal with it, and punish those who would seek to cause harm. You don`t have to like the personal life choices others make, but you should have to respect them.

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Male 467
Wow, that`s awesome! He loved a dude!!
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Male 247
@ lucas. At it`s root, homophobia is a fear related to an ambiguity of one`s own sexuality. It is a fear that is internalized, and in order to expunge it, the homophobe will externalize that feeling by making jokes, etc.
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Male 3,425
No. What I was trying to say didn`t come out right, which is why I deleted my comment.

And I think this "modern society" is really funny. In the same way that 50 years ago, anyone who supported gays was made fun of, called stupid. Nowadays, anybody who doesn`t support gays if made fun of, called stupid. We haven`t moved anywhere, we still have beliefs forced upon us by what is considered right in society.

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Male 3,482
BTW, FTW, tombstone guy. R.I.P.

((Sorry for the double post, these forums need an edit feature.))

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Male 3,482
Wow... That`s just sad...

Considering the number of straight men that don`t even consider defending their country, it`s really pathetic that there`s discrimination against the gay ones that do...

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Female 168
Wow...that`s a pretty bold statement to put on your tombstone. Kudos to that guy. I hope people can learn from this.
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Male 1,148
That`s a sad tombstone, I wish they could be more open to peoples sexuality
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Female 194
:(
That`s sad. :/ Thanks, I-A-B, I`m depressed, now. Meh.
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Male 322
sad..
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Male 84
its made even worse if ur playing moonlight sonata at the same time on ur laptop.
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lukas1051
So he doesn`t like gays, big deal. I don`t like shellfish so I don`t eat it.
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Are you that daft you compare disliking shellfish to bashing gays?

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Female 331
That`s so sad....but a great thing to write on the tombstone. Not everyone would do that. R.I.P.
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Male 362
i knew a kid who didnt like chocolate...
then i killed him because theres no reason not to like chocolate.
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Female 188
Aw. That`s sad.
& just for the record, I don`t care if someones gay or not. But if a girl`s hitting on me, then that`s a tad weird.
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Female 1,269
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Male 13,630
swings and roundabouts then I guess
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Male 1,220
Owned.
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Female 767
I think he should add "FML" for comic relief.
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Male 3,425
Andy, you couldn`t be more wrong. The old "homophobes are gay" argument is used by people who support gays to try and make fun of homophobes. There is no evidence to prove that, in-fact the evidence is actually the opposite.

Just so you know, I`m not a homophobe, I just have an understanding of other peoples views.

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Male 78
Downer....
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Male 13,630
You think he`s still ``In the closet?``
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Male 13,630
*chortle*
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Male 247
In defense of Mondo48. People need to me more understanding when it comes to homophobia. It is a recognized condition and is a coping mechanisim used by individuals who struggle with the fact they have homosexual desires. When a homophobe sees an opportunity to belittle or make fun of gay people, they sieze it so others in their community will be made to think that they are not gay. So the next time you hear someone telling a f*g joke, tell them it`s OK. Their friends and family will still love them.
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Male 13,630
He will be more than a man then you will ever be Mondo48
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Female 1,148
Mondo48 needs to shut his mouth.

this was so sad. =[[[

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Male 2,076
I`m constantly surprised that people like Mondo exist. They make my internet experience a more depressing one that it should be.
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Female 2,672
thats pretty lame :(
at least he wasn`t in denial or nuffin
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toqr
Male, 18-29, Europe
51 Posts Wednesday, April 22, 2009 12:27:29 PM
"just to highlight your ignorance" or his opinion. which he is entitled to. freedom of speech and all that.
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Indeed. Freedom of speech dosnt stop people from being small minded bigoted fools sadly!

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Male 247
I never said that Mondo48 should be deleted or censored. I think his comments should highlighted for all to see.
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Male 94
""just to highlight your ignorance" or his opinion. which he is entitled to. freedom of speech and all that."

Doesn`t make him any less ignorant though.

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Male 2,125
That`s sad...

Even sadder is Mondo48`s comment. That`s not cool, dude. If you don`t want him fighting for you then, why don`t you go fight yourself? It`s ignorant pieces of sh*t like you that deserve to die; and I`m not taking any of that back!

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Male 199
"just to highlight your ignorance" or his opinion. which he is entitled to. freedom of speech and all that.
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Male 3,819
Too true, andy. I thought about deleting it, but he`s entitled to his opinion, no matter how sh*tty and warped it may be. It would be a lot more fun to let you guys roast this tool.
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Male 425
Poor guy... Couldn`t they have just transfer him to the navy?
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