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Date: 04/18/09 03:18 PM

196 Responses to Baptist Pastor Beaten, Tazed By Border Patrol

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    Crawdaddy197 Male 30-39
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    April 18, 2009 at 1:38 pm
    Link: Baptist Pastor Beaten, Tazed By Border Patrol - It could happen to you for just exercising your rights. Should the pastor just went along with the cops initial orders?
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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    April 18, 2009 at 3:26 pm
    I have NO sympathy for the guy! Had he just complied and answered the questions to start with, none of it would have happened.
    I`m not claiming the border patrol is in the right either but the fact he refused to just answer a few questions is obviously gonna make them think "whats he hiding"?
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    nibbled Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 3:29 pm
    errrr... just answer the questions? got something to hide?
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    ShadowRyder Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 3:30 pm
    Took 9 f*cking minutes to explain all this? He deserved to get his ass beat >.>
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    5stargeneral Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 3:31 pm
    i DO have sympathy for him...he obviously just felt he shouldnt be getting searched for no reason and it was his right to say no, then just because they didnt get there own way they bring over the dog and pretend it detected something and all their other actions are sickening and im sure any person he could of been bringing into the country cant be any worse than them.
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    WhenIsLunch Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 3:32 pm
    yes, the officers were complete a-holes as usual, but why wouldnt you just let them search your car and get it over with
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    jesrsja7 Male 30-39
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    April 18, 2009 at 3:34 pm
    Isn`t it funny how people want the police and border patrol to keep us safe, keep illegals out, but don`t want to follow simple instructions from the people who they want to protect them. Stop being a whinny b*tch and do what you are told. I think you should have gotten a boot to the ribs.
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    5stargeneral Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 3:37 pm
    "Isn`t it funny how people want the police and border patrol to keep us safe, keep illegals out, but don`t want to follow simple instructions from the people who they want to protect them. Stop being a whinny b*tch and do what you are told. I think you should have gotten a boot to the ribs."

    im sure if the dog had actually acted as if it detected a person he would have let them search his car, his point was they wanted to do it for no obvious reason

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    z-a Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 3:53 pm
    somebody has got to stand up for our rights. What the border patrol did is complete crap. I`d hope they get what they deserve for their actions, but seeing how screwed up the system is they`re probably back at work like nothing ever happened.
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    AnwarNova Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 4:00 pm
    This isn`t uncommon, you go on the ACLU`s website you can learn about the Constitution free zone, which is an area of 100 miles from every border and contains 2/3 of the US population.

    I, personally, respect this man. You guys may believe that the authorities are above the law, but I strongly disagree.

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    yblusky Male 30-39
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    April 18, 2009 at 4:03 pm
    I say sue the bastards.
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    Lorodiam Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 4:06 pm
    The guy didn`t deserve a beating like that. Although he was stupid not to just do as the officers asked.
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    TopperHey Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 4:11 pm
    Now i`m the kinda guy who would say initially that he should have just let them search it. I`m also the type of guy who thinks that G20 copper did nothing wrong. But even I think what happened to this guy was utterly ridiculous and I hope that the coppers get done for (pretty much) assault and kidnap.
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    snoopdawgg Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 4:14 pm
    just sue them like chicity mayne
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    alabamaangyl Female 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 4:14 pm
    He should have let them search his car and done exactly what they asked of him, answering all questions. It would have taken, maybe 15 minutes of his time, and he would have been on his way. It sounds like he was acting suspicious. That being said, the cops had no right to be so vicious... they`ll probably get a tiny little slap on the wrist for it, and that`s it... cause they were doing their job.
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    RotBottom Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 4:14 pm
    "Those who will sacrifice their freedom for safety deserve neither."
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    AnwarNova Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 4:24 pm
    alabamaangyl...you sound like the kind of person who would let the cops ransack your home, wiretap your phones, monitor your internet usage and detain one of your family members without due judicial review ..all because they were just "doing their job" and its much easier to just let them trample over your rights.

    Do you get that? The police are NOT ALLOWED TO DO THIS. IT IS AGAINST THE LAW. lol

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    5stargeneral Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 4:30 pm
    AnwarNova i just want to say i agree with u completely :) anyone who thinks this is right is an idiot !
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    vorpalsword Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 4:33 pm
    at the risk of being called a paultard , Ron paul and the libertarians do make valid points, so what if Paul ran a bad campaign
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    dragosal Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 4:35 pm
    so they asked him questions first and he refused to answer.. THAT gives them probable cause to search him and his car. then he thinks he has the right to deny that which he doesnt, and the thing with the dog? thats irrelevant a cop is allowed to lie to get a confession. they might have went alittle far with roughing him up but its still within their rights to keep themselves safe from a person that refuses to answer questions and identify themselves
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    hefalump Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 4:36 pm
    under no circumstances should he have complied with border patrols illegal request to search his vehicle.

    To all my fellow Americans:
    Welcome to the impending police state that we allowed George W. Bush to create in order to "protect" us from "terrorism."

    May god have mercy on all of us.

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    apoet4life Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 4:37 pm
    This may be mean to say, but am I the only one who, before clicking the link, was hoping this would be about Fred Phelps of Westboro Baptist Church? Phelps has made so many people mad with his stupid pickets. That being said...I think this guy was within his rights. I certainly hope he sues on the terms of 4th amendment violation. Sure he could have cooperated, but he was simply exercising his 4th amendment right. This sorta reminds me of the guy who refused to let the man at Bestbuy search his bag.
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    vorpalsword Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 4:37 pm
    drago the constitution is the supreme law of the land and nothing is above it
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    AnwarNova Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 4:43 pm
    Dragosol. The police need a search warrant to search your car. They need to get that from a judge. Just because you`re acting suspicious does not mean they can search your car. :-)

    Know your rights. Here is your rights provided by the ACLU
    http://www.aclu.org/police/gen/14528res2...

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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 4:51 pm
    "so they asked him questions first and he refused to answer.. THAT gives them probable cause to search him and his car. "
    Constituion Fail.

    "at the risk of being called a paultard"

    paultard

    "To all my fellow Americans:
    Welcome to the impending police state that we allowed George W. Bush to create in order to "protect" us from "terrorism." "

    Slippery Slope. Nice job using one example and blowing it out of proportion. "Hey today I fell and bruised my leg, thats why there should be universal healthcare!"

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    dragosal Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 4:52 pm
    vorpal, your just an idiot. im not the person that posted about the no constitution zone.

    and anwar a search warrant is only needed to search the area past the suspect and the area past their direct control. during an arrest they can check you and in this case your car without need for a warrent

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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 4:54 pm
    drag, refusing to answer a question is not probable cause
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    dragosal Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 4:58 pm
    ya it is, the general way of thinking for cops is if you have nothing to hide you shouldnt have any problem answering a question. refusing to answer the question makes him look suspicious and thats probable cause
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    AnwarNova Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 5:02 pm
    its not probable cause. you have a right to remain silent. these things aren`t just made up or tradition, these are laws.

    You have the right to remain silent.

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    vorpalsword Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 5:02 pm
    508 posts wow talk about annoying
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    osirisascend Male 40-49
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    April 18, 2009 at 5:02 pm
    What made me sick to my stomach was all of the comments on the actual YouTube page from uneducated, ignorant people saying that the Border Patrol was right.

    As a soldier, I fight to PROTECT the very freedom that many Americans are so willing to give up the split second someone in a position of "Authority" tells them they have to.

    Wake up people!

    "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty, nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin

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    Crawdaddy197 Male 30-39
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    April 18, 2009 at 5:03 pm
    For those of you who don`t know. It`s not a matter of him "being suspicious" for not answering questions. If we are just gonna answer the questions anyway, or allow them to search without cause, why have a 4th Amendment?

    4th Amendment
    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

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    anaxaretec Female 13-17
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    April 18, 2009 at 5:09 pm
    Brutal.
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    BrimstoneOne Male 30-39
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    April 18, 2009 at 5:09 pm
    hefalump:

    To all my fellow Americans:
    Welcome to the impending police state that we allowed George W. Bush to create in order to "protect" us from "terrorism."

    Impending police state? The US has BEEN a police since October 2001. Its just your `rule of law` is morphing into the `rule of force` over time. But given the state of American finances, there going be hundred times more worst than is case in about 5 years. And will so common that no one will really care.

    Welcome to The American Dystopian Dream 101

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    osirisascend Male 40-49
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    April 18, 2009 at 5:10 pm
    Okay... there seems to be quite a bit of confusion as to what your rights are in a situation like this. The ACLU has provided the PROPER guidelines for this type of situation:

    Think carefully about your words, movement, body language, and emotions.

    Don`t get into an argument with the police.

    Remember, anything you say or do can be used against you.

    Keep your hands where the police can see them.

    Don`t run. Don`t touch any police officer.

    Don`t resist even if you believe you are innocent.

    Don`t complain on the scene or tell the police they`re wrong or that you`re going to file a complaint.

    Do not make any statements regarding the incident. Ask for a lawyer immediately upon your arrest.

    Remember officers` badge and patrol car numbers.

    Write down everything you remember ASAP.

    Try to find witnesses and their names and phone numbers.

    If you are injured, take photographs of the injuries as soon as possible, but make sure you seek medical attention first.

    Continued ab

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    osirisascend Male 40-49
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    April 18, 2009 at 5:11 pm
    1. What you say to the police is always important. What you say can be used against you, and it can give the police an excuse to arrest you, especially if you bad-mouth a police officer.

    2. You must show your driver`s license and registration when stopped in a car. Otherwise, you don`t have to answer any questions if you are detained or arrested, with one important exception. The police may ask for your name if you have been properly detained, and you can be arrested in some states for refusing to give it. If you reasonably fear that your name is incriminating, you can claim the right to remain silent, which may be a defense in case you are arrested anyway.

    3. You don`t have to consent to any search of yourself, your car or your house. If you DO consent to a search, it can affect your rights later in court. If the police say they have a search warrant, ASK TO SEE IT.

    4. Do not interfere with, or obstruct the police -- you can be arrested for it.

    Continued above^^^

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    osirisascend Male 40-49
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    April 18, 2009 at 5:13 pm
    IF YOU ARE STOPPED FOR QUESTIONING

    1. It`s not a crime to refuse to answer questions, but refusing to answer can make the police suspicious about you. If you are asked to identify yourself, see paragraph 2 above.

    2. Police may "pat-down" your clothing if they suspect a concealed weapon. Don`t physically resist, but make it clear that you don`t consent to any further search.

    3. Ask if you are under arrest. If you are, you have a right to know why.

    4. Don`t bad-mouth the police officer or run away, even if you believe what is happening is unreasonable. That could lead to your arrest.

    Continued above^^^


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    osirisascend Male 40-49
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    April 18, 2009 at 5:13 pm
    IF YOU`RE STOPPED IN YOUR CAR

    1. Upon request, show them your driver`s license, registration, and proof of insurance. In certain cases, your car can be searched without a warrant as long as the police have probable cause. To protect yourself later, you should make it clear that you do not consent to a search. It is not lawful for police to arrest you simply for refusing to consent to a search.

    2. If you`re given a ticket, you should sign it; otherwise you can be arrested. You can always fight the case in court later.

    3. If you`re suspected of drunk driving (DWI) and refuse to take a blood, urine or breath test, your driver`s license may be suspended.

    Continued above^^^

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    osirisascend Male 40-49
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    April 18, 2009 at 5:15 pm
    IF YOU`RE ARRESTED OR TAKEN TO A POLICE STATION

    1. You have the right to remain silent and to talk to a lawyer before you talk to the police. Tell the police nothing except your name and address. Don`t give any explanations, excuses or stories. You can make your defense later, in court, based on what you and your lawyer decide is best.

    2. Ask to see a lawyer immediately. If you can`t pay for a lawyer, you have a right to a free one, and should ask the police how the lawyer can be contacted. Don`t say anything without a lawyer.

    3. Within a reasonable time after your arrest, or booking, you have the right to make a local phone call: to a lawyer, bail bondsman, a relative or any other person. The police may not listen to a call to a lawyer.

    4. Sometimes you can be released without bail, or have bail lowered. Have your lawyer ask the judge about this possibility. You must be taken before the judge on the next court day after arrest.

    5. Don`t make any decisions until you see a law

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    osirisascend Male 40-49
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    April 18, 2009 at 5:16 pm
    IN YOUR HOME

    1. If the police knock and ask to enter your home, you don`t have to admit them unless they have a warrant signed by a judge.

    2. However, in some emergency situations (like when a person is screaming for help inside, or when the police are chasing someone) officers are allowed to enter and search your home without a warrant.

    3. If you are arrested, the police can search you and the area close by. If you are in a building, "close by" usually means just the room you are in.

    We all recognize the need for effective law enforcement, but we should also understand our own rights and responsibilities -- especially in our relationships with the police. Everyone, including minors, has the right to courteous and respectful police treatment.

    If your rights are violated, don`t try to deal with the situation at the scene. You can discuss the matter with an attorney afterwards, or file a complaint with the Internal Affairs or Civilian Complaint Board.

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    BrimstoneOne Male 30-39
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    April 18, 2009 at 5:16 pm
    Also those who quoting your amendments should also read up on your Patriot Act. Which I am to understand trumps your Constitution, thus any rights you think you may have.
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    dilldog123 Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 5:17 pm
    And I`m not saying that I agree with this, but


    The United States Customs and Border Protection (CBP), a division of the United States Department of Homeland Security, is permitted to search travelers and their belongings at the American border without probable cause or a warrant. These searches are therefore exempted from the Fourth Amendment warrant requirement. Pursuant to this authority, CBP may generally stop and search the property of any traveler entering or exiting the United States at random, or even based largely on ethnic profiles. However, CBP may only conduct searches of the traveler`s body — including strip, body cavity, involuntary x-ray, and in some jurisdictions, patdownsearches — if the Customs officer has reasonable suspicion to believe the traveler is concealing contraband.

    Also, what does the fact that he`s a pastor have to do with this?

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    AnwarNova Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 5:19 pm
    It doesn`t trump, it ignores. The Patriot Act is unconstitutional, but its difficult to get it changed nonetheless and the guy is still within his rights under the Constitution.
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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 5:22 pm
    "Also those who quoting your amendments should also read up on your Patriot Act. Which I am to understand trumps your Constitution, thus any rights you think you may have. "

    It doesnt apply in this situation.

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    baileyabb Female 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 5:24 pm
    drat that. Come to Canada.
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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 5:27 pm
    drat that, beat me away
    VVVVVV
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    Kaagan Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 5:30 pm
    i hate ppl like this. this is like that don`t taze me bro guy, they ask for it.
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    AnwarNova Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 5:39 pm
    No offense Kaagan, but I hate people like you. You don`t help these kind of situations..until you`re surprised with it happening to your or a loved one.
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    beeze72 Male 30-39
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    April 18, 2009 at 5:50 pm
    Boo hoo Open the trunk..what`s the big deal.
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    SPARTAKITTY Female 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 5:51 pm
    I think both sides are at fault here. If the pastor had nothing illegal in his car, he should`ve just let them search it. The police were also jerks for shooting him with the tazers, as he was not holding a weapon and was not a threat to any of them. As far as I know, he wasn`t breaking the law.
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    d_katman Male 13-17
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    April 18, 2009 at 5:53 pm
    unless he`s harboring terrorists, the patriot act is useless.
    the current state of america really pisses me off.
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    saintnick Male 13-17
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    April 18, 2009 at 5:57 pm
    this should go without saying, osirisascend thank you & everyone else for all the posts, folks need to know & understand their rights. when else are you going to see this type of information..
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    mugwug Female 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 6:08 pm
    Isnt one of the things that pastors preach "Turn the other cheek" this doesnt seem to be very pastor like
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    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 6:09 pm
    Don`t tase me, Pope!

    Spent a whole 3 minutes thinking up that zinger. B)

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    Mondo48 Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 6:11 pm
    I would get even. actually i would have let the bastards search the car. But i would get even if i was in that guys shoes. someone would probably lose a car. But im not a pastor, either.
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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 6:12 pm
    "Don`t tase me, Pope!

    Spent a whole 3 minutes thinking up that zinger. B)"

    He`s Baptist not Catholic....back to the drawing board?

    I think Don`t Tase me Boro would be closer if anything

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    mugwug Female 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 6:13 pm
    What i mean is its crappy he had that happen but for him to make a video like this just doesnt seem to be practicing what he preaches. he should have gone through the proper channels to get this resolved, because i dont think him posting this video will help his case any other than in court (which it doesnt need to be posted on the internet for other than looking like a weiner).
    If you have nothing to hide, let them look. yeah it will be a couple minutes more than going through, but it will be less pain and less tiem than if you argue.
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    Willowpuff Female 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 6:18 pm
    Jeez, you`d think that God would`ve saved him... No?
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    BaleZur Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 6:18 pm
    Two things,

    You are a baptist pastor (although I neither saw or heard anything indicating this) so you deserve to be beaten "to a pulp"

    Second, I understand you were excersizing your rights. I agree with you not letting them search your car but you really should have just answered their questions. I grew up on the Mexican border and if you live there you should be more than willing to help the border patrol. In short, you knew you were going to stir up trouble and you deserved every bit of ass whooping you recieved.

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    yudontn0me Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 6:28 pm
    congradulations. you were black for a day.
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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 6:31 pm
    "Jeez, you`d think that God would`ve saved him... No?"

    "You are a baptist pastor (although I neither saw or heard anything indicating this) so you deserve to be beaten "to a pulp""

    "congradulations. you were black for a day."

    Keep it classy IAB

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    Challenger23 Female 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 6:37 pm
    I`d like to point out that he put himself in the situation by acting like an arrogant moron. If he had nothing to hide he should have just answered their questions and be on with it. there`s no reason for him to refuse their questions or not allowing them to search his car. It sounds to me like he was asking for it.
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    dragosal Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 6:45 pm
    i have to agree with primetimekin those 3 comments were a little much
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 18, 2009 at 6:47 pm
    This Pastor didn`t deserve the abusive treatment, Illegal search of his vehicle, and armed battery he received at the hands of the border patrol and dps.

    I hope he counter-sues them and wins big.

    Those of you saying he deserved it need to get tazered a few times and have your head stomped into glass like was done to him. Maybe then your opinion will change.

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    Willowpuff Female 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 6:51 pm
    Urgh, this is exactly why I think religious matters should be kept away from IAB.
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    freckled_won Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 6:57 pm
    He wasn`t asking for anything. He was exercising a right he has. Those border patrol agents had no cause to do that. Our country (USA) is slipping away from us and into the governments control. Sorry I-A-B, I don`t usually post, but when it`s about stuff like this I can`t help myself.
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    freckled_won Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 6:59 pm
    Check it out on infowars.com
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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 7:01 pm
    We only have one side of the story here.
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    perez059 Male 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 7:01 pm
    Deserved everything he got.

    And for those of you who don`t know... the DPS Officers tazed him, Border Patrol do not carry Tazers. Also, a Border Patrol checkpoint falls under what is considered an "extension of the border" therefore they are allowed to send you to secondary and search your vehicle.

    Next time, if you are not hiding anything, don`t be a drating dick and just listen... would have been on his way in 20min tops!

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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    April 18, 2009 at 7:04 pm
    CrakrJak: Come off it! It`s VERY legal to be stopped and searched by the police if they suspect criminal activity. It`s the law here in the UK and it`s the law in America too..especially on Border patrol. I suggest you look it up.
    Do I think he deserved the beating he got..no I dont and action need`s to be taken over that because the police where obviously being asshats.. but he did himself no favours at all by refusing to answer questions then locking himself in his car. Is that the actions of somebody who has nothing to hide? How do the police know the diffrence "his" civil liberties and the next dude through the check point carring 20 kilos of heroin and 5 illigal immigrants?

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    Willowpuff Female 18-29
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    April 18, 2009 at 7:05 pm
    I don`t think he deserved everything he got.
    I think what he got taught him not to be so arrogant as to avoid answering a simple question.

    But then what he DID do shows the world that C(amron) Diaz and the other bloke are IDIOTS who deserve to be sacked for such a horrific display of violence toward an innocent party.


    Bu agree with Nidonemo - One side.

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 18, 2009 at 7:11 pm
    The_Maddog: It`s VERY legal to be stopped and searched by the police if they suspect criminal activity. It`s the law here in the UK and it`s the law in America too..especially on Border patrol. I suggest you look it up.

    You may live in a police state in the UK, But WE in the US have something called the 4th Amendment, I suggest YOU LOOK THAT UP.

    They had No warrant, No just cause, No dog alerted, and No right under any law or jurisdiction to violate his 4th amendment rights!

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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
    3369 posts
    April 18, 2009 at 7:12 pm
    Screw it...I just watched his other videos on Youtube. The guys an immoral asshat using fear to convert people to his religion. He need`s more beatings!
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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
    3369 posts
    April 18, 2009 at 7:16 pm
    PMSL at CrakrJak.
    Hot damn..I`m not even american and I know more about it than you!

    Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution

    Scroll down to the "Stop and search" section. Sorry, you lose! Border patrol`s are generally obligated to to question every other car that passes through. If they can justify stopping him, same as in the UK, he`s got NO argument.

    And dont make out I live in a police state thank you!

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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
    3369 posts
    April 18, 2009 at 7:18 pm
    By no argument I mean about being stopped btw. The excessive force is a diffrent thing!
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    April 18, 2009 at 7:22 pm
    The_Maddog:

    The Supreme Court also held that individuals in automobiles have a reduced expectation of privacy, because vehicles generally do not serve as residences or repositories of personal effects. Vehicles may not be randomly stopped and searched; there must be probable cause or reasonable suspicion of criminal activity.

    None of the above conditions were present, The stop and the search was ILLEGAL! YOU FAIL!

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    dragosal Male 18-29
    1630 posts
    April 18, 2009 at 7:27 pm
    crakrjak it was a border patrol checkpoint if im not mistaken and he gave them probable cause by not answering the questions.
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    ztlonewolf Male 40-49
    2 posts
    April 18, 2009 at 7:28 pm
    i haven`t read every reply,so i`m sorry in advanced if this has been posted already,but to those that are crying 4th admendment,try looking alittle further at the motor vehicle exception to the 4th admendment,aslong as the officers had probable cause,which he gave them,they don`t need a warrant to search his vehicle
  79. Profile photo of The_Maddog
    The_Maddog Male 30-39
    3369 posts
    April 18, 2009 at 7:32 pm
    Whatever Crakrjak.

    You dont know when to quit!
    The full story

    Just to quote 1 tiny section...

    "DPS also cited a 1976 U.S. Supreme Court ruling that upheld the constitutionality of checkpoints near border areas, and that the stop on Interstate 8 is in compliance with the law."

    It was legal to stop and search him. His whole legal case now is about the force used which I am not arguing over.
    I refuse to debate it futher when I`ve now TWICE proven it is legal to be stopped and searched in the States if the police have reasonable reason to do so. He argues they didnt, they claim they did so when the police stop you..comply and argue about it AFTER they are done!

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    Batmanners Male 18-29
    4006 posts
    April 18, 2009 at 7:43 pm
    Right to search or not...

    If you have nothing to hide, then don`t hide it.

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    silversoul46 Female 18-29
    189 posts
    April 18, 2009 at 7:48 pm
    I think some police are a little tazer happy. It does seem a bit excessive of a beating just for him not answering a question, but then again it is only one side of the story.
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    primetimekin Male 18-29
    7935 posts
    April 18, 2009 at 7:55 pm
    Warentless searches have been ruled unconstitutional in the past Indianapolis v. Edmond
    Knowles v Iowa

    Not to mention that Probable cause has to be met Arizona v. Hicks


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    raikun12 Male 18-29
    586 posts
    April 18, 2009 at 8:00 pm
    @ Batmanners, yeah I think that this guy is hiding something, if he wasn`t why would he care.
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    Smart-Stop Male 18-29
    6 posts
    April 18, 2009 at 8:00 pm
    @Batmanners

    In my case, I probably would have just let them search the car. I do see where the guy is coming from though. The Constitution grants us rights from illegal search and seizure. Do you not think that this is against someones rights to deny a complete stranger to search your belongings?

    Police are there to help, but they took it too far. They have superiors to answer to and I bet that once they are alerted to this video, consequences will follow. I mean the guy was tazed, what, three for four times... Ouch.

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    raikun12 Male 18-29
    586 posts
    April 18, 2009 at 8:03 pm
    lol they were shoving my face in broken glass.

    yeah that is sooo realistic.

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    dilldog123 Male 18-29
    1856 posts
    April 18, 2009 at 8:04 pm
    While that applies to others, Prime, the Border Patrol (I`m assuming that`s who tazed him, although I don`t think I ever heard him say it was them) is exempt from the 4th amendment, like I said earlier. So while what they did was poo-faced and not right, they`re still not violating his rights.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_search_exception#cite_note-0

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    tuxman4 Male 13-17
    368 posts
    April 18, 2009 at 8:11 pm
    How was he talking with them if his windows were up?
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    alfietoon Male 18-29
    1164 posts
    April 18, 2009 at 8:14 pm
    LIES! that is all
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    vorpalsword Male 18-29
    1452 posts
    April 18, 2009 at 8:14 pm
    oh great we have all the "ITS FAKE" people
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    louctiel Male 30-39
    1 post
    April 18, 2009 at 8:26 pm
    dilldog123,
    The Border Patrol may search you without probable cause at the border, while entering or leaving the country. The Pastor was neither at a border, nor was he entering or leaving the country. Just so you know, even your citation of wikipedia says the same thing.
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    green_batman Female 18-29
    728 posts
    April 18, 2009 at 8:27 pm
    I hate to say it, but if he had answered their questions then they would have let him go. Not answering questions posed by law enforcement is generally considered suspicious behavior. While I understand not wanting to waste time at a border patrol station, someone carry drugs would have acted the same way. Furthermore, driving is not considered a right and when you get a driver`s license, you agree to let law enforcement search your car if they ask. If you refuse, you go to jail, and then if it is determined they don`t have reasonable cause, you can take the jurisdiction to court. While they did use unnecessary violence, nothing else about what happened to him is unusual.
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    teph2112 Male 13-17
    650 posts
    April 18, 2009 at 8:40 pm
    Don`t mess with people who deal with insane criminals
    Just put on a friendly smile, answer the questions, and be on your way
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    osirisascend Male 40-49
    3045 posts
    April 18, 2009 at 8:42 pm
    @perez059: The Border Patrol does indeed have access to tazers, and other non-lethal "persuasion" devices.

    I think everyone that has watched the victims other videos will agree that the guy is a bit of a douchebag.

    BUT if it went down the way he says it did, then he makes a valid point.

    Law Enforcement officers regularly violate people`s civil rights. It`s a sad truth. The UK has become a police state, and we are right behind them.

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    Grim-Reaper7 Male 18-29
    51 posts
    April 18, 2009 at 8:43 pm
    Green_bat man you are forgetting our 9th amendment rights which says just because it isn`t written in the constitution doesn`t mean we don`t have the right to it things like travel or driving with a license. You can refuse to have law enforcement search your car and you wont go to jail the cops will however thing it`s suspicious and try anyway they can to find probable cause. But i do agree if he had answered the Qs than he wouldn`t have gotten into all that.
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    sofaking42 Male 18-29
    252 posts
    April 18, 2009 at 9:25 pm
    Why does it matter that hes a pastor? Very one sided version of the story that you made sound a lot worse then you look. Moreover you have a terrible lawyer if he doesn`t stop you from posting this video before court.
    L2 Life.
    L2 let go of imaginary friends.
    Nuff said.
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    Thepwnsher Male 13-17
    283 posts
    April 18, 2009 at 10:06 pm
    If i was him i would sue the HELL out of them.
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    Mitchster Male 18-29
    544 posts
    April 18, 2009 at 10:30 pm
    So this is it: it is an officer`s job to put you in jail. When they ask you questions, they are looking for reasons to do such a thing. When they ask to search your car, they are looking for a reason to put you in jail. The safest thing to do (usually) is to refuse the questions and the search, and go along your way.
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    ChronicJ Male 18-29
    353 posts
    April 18, 2009 at 10:36 pm
    Baptist preacher dude.. tazered.. OK. Busting his head in broken glass... not cool.
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    Crawdaddy197 Male 30-39
    353 posts
    April 18, 2009 at 10:39 pm
    osisisascend

    Being in the service and having sworn an oath to protect our country from enemies both foreign AND domestic; How do you feel knowing that our rights that you are fighting for are slowly being eroded?

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    Crawdaddy197 Male 30-39
    353 posts
    April 18, 2009 at 10:46 pm
    @green Batman: Furthermore, driving is not considered a right and when you get a driver`s license, you agree to let law enforcement search your car if they ask. If you refuse, you go to jail,

    Where did you get that nonsense? The only thing you HAVE to do when you get pulled over (for probable cause) is follow lawful direction. If a cop pulls you over for speeding the only thing you HAVE to do is give them your license so they can right you a ticket. You don`t have to say anything, or allow them to search your vehicle.

    BUSTED: The Citizen`s Guide to Surviving Police Encounters
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMjMPlXz...

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    KindlyKat Female 18-29
    427 posts
    April 18, 2009 at 11:07 pm
    Whatever the case, whether it`s "slightly" legal (I say slightly, because it seems a lot of the laws are taken out of context and/or utilized in a way with unintended actions from those who created or voted for the law - i.e. shoving a mans face into glass and mocking him) or simply illegal, our country`s leaders will eventually feel the repercussion.

    Maybe not in my lifetime, but at some point, people will stand for what isn`t right. The average joe will always outnumber the man of duty.

    ...not to sounds like a hippie or anything. lol

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    Luet_Seer Female 18-29
    45 posts
    April 18, 2009 at 11:10 pm
    i`m not even going to watch this. It sounds like complete merde and it`s 8 minutes. Seriously who makes videos like this.
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    jasonlowe Male 18-29
    90 posts
    April 18, 2009 at 11:51 pm
    From the nose up he looks just like Jack from LOST.
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    Randy4861 Male 40-49
    187 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 12:34 am
    Act like a terrorist, get treated like one. Seems good to me. A law abiding citizen of this country would have cooperated from the begining. If you have noting to hide, why not allow them to search? Heads up America, if you were in any other country you prolly would have been shot with a real gun, not just a taser!
    If you sit there for over an hour in your locked car defying the authority, yes you should get your ass stomped for wasting their time when they could be catching real terrorist.
    You call yourself a minister but whine like a bitch. Go find your God, he just might bitch slap you for being so ignorant. I`m sure he`s embarrassed for creating you.
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    bumbleBB Female 18-29
    1113 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 12:47 am
    Sounds fishy.... non-nice individual coulda saved himself a lot of trouble. Most of this poo comes about because people act like non-nice individuals when they adress cops just because they think it part of their "rights" to act like an arrogant prick while they exercise what the constitution allows them to. Some Americans need to learn their manners.
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    Thryonn Male 30-39
    86 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 12:48 am
    Randy is right, do whatever authority says and things will always work out A-Ok!!!
    Germans did it in the 30`s and 40`s, everything was Awesome!

    And remember that time those stuffy Brits were all like "c`mon give us your tax money, chaps!"

    ...and then those ungrateful Boston guys were like "no way!, and here`s what we think of your stupid British warm water leaf-broth drink!!!"

    Anyways, like Benjamin Franklin said, "Never disobey those with any authority, because people with even a hint of power are always infallible."

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    boredlesbian Female 18-29
    19 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 1:20 am
    whether or not he had something to hide in his car. its still his right to not let them search.

    our rights are there for a reason. excercise them whenever you feel your being treated unjustly.
    props to this guy for getting the word out.

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    kinjomusashi Male 30-39
    916 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 1:20 am
    this was photoshopped...hahaha

    ok seriously; the guy was clearly looking for trouble and guess what?? he found it...surprise, surprise...

    i hope i`m not alone in this but i kinda get the feeling that he purposely staged this sh.t...

    ok but even if he didn`t, based off of his 8min rant i think the border patrol did exactly what they should have done in this situation. From the guy`s own description of what happened, he was clearly acting like a jackass...this undoubtedly gave border patrol every reason to be suspicious and want to search his car...

    rights and amendments don`t even count with this one...if you have nothing to hide, then don`t act like you do...

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    gluebottle Female 18-29
    161 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 1:27 am
    I am usually on the victims side in these things, but this is rediculous. Why didn`t he just let them search his car? If he had just cooperated, it probably would have been fine. Unless he really had something to hide... Why did he need to prove that? "Why is this happening in the United States of America?" Because it a border check, and you acted like a tool.
  110. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 1:33 am
    primetimekin: Warentless searches have been ruled unconstitutional in the past Indianapolis v. Edmond Knowles v Iowa
    Not to mention that Probable cause has to be met Arizona v. Hicks

    Thank You Prime. This `Maddog` european know-it-all obviously isn`t fluent in US constitutional law.

    Everyone has the right to refuse an illegal search, This guy didn`t run, He didn`t give them any excuse to inflict bodily harm on him. This was a random stop at a `checkpoint` many many miles from the border.

  111. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 1:44 am
    Randy4861: Act like a terrorist, get treated like one. Seems good to me. A law abiding citizen of this country would have cooperated from the begining. If you have noting to hide, why not allow them to search?

    I`m fed up with the `If you have nothing to hide, Allow them.` Argument. There are crooked cops, Crooked and sneaky enough to plant evidence on you or in your vehicle. Why ? Quotas! If they don`t get a certain number of `expected` arrests their superiors will reprimand them thinking they aren`t `On The Job`.

    Fines, Court costs, Bails are revenue streams for the states and agencies. They expect cops to bring in that revenue for them. Some `Gung Ho` cops will do it by whatever means, Especially if they believe their job is on the line.

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    RoosjeKatoen Female 18-29
    1 post
    April 19, 2009 at 1:54 am
    I think this was very inappropriate from the control people. No matter how suspicious somebody is, they don`t have the right to then attack you.

    But! All the stuff about how the dog didn`t bark or make a sound so obviously they were lying? Yeah, those dogs are trained to be subtle, you wouldn`t want your subject to know you know (and you wouldn`t want people who are scared of dogs to be afraid when you`re doing a drug test on plane passengers or anything). Clearly he didn`t have drugs, but the dog could easily have indicated that and I wouldn`t bring the dog back either if I was the patrol, because you shouldn`t bring them into potentially dangerous situations just to prove a point.

  113. Profile photo of vorpalsword
    vorpalsword Male 18-29
    1452 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 2:21 am
    for all the people attacking this guy in the vid

    "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding."

    "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

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    TopperHey Male 18-29
    1930 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 2:40 am
    DON`T TAZE ME, BRO!!!

    Yeah, I said it.

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    Quebec1217 Male 18-29
    109 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 3:04 am
    So much for Constitutional rights anymore. The guys was completely justified in his actions; the cops were completely out of line and abusing their power. He`s going to, or at least should, become a wealthy man due to this incident.

    That sounds more like something from a police state than the US, which I find very disappointing. So much for police protection...

  116. Profile photo of jsatan
    jsatan Male 18-29
    256 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 3:53 am
    "Just let them search you", "just answer the question", "just bend over and take what’s coming to you". You aren’t born to this world to be policed. "The dog smelled something" is the same argument police officers used to use to search your house claiming they smelling something from your front door. Didn’t they get ride of that as probable cause due to abuse?

    I put the question to you all, why is it so many bad cop storied come out of America?

    Every week there’s a different video about a cop abusing their power.
    I’m from the UK and we’ve have a few bad copy stories in the papers at the moment regarding the G20 protests and you can see the sheep post on there too from the USA.

    It’s so funny that you’ve become so accustom to being abused and controlled by your police that it’s just normal for them to do as they wish & treat you like scum.

    Did they have this same thing in one o

  117. Profile photo of Dus-Sn
    Dus-Sn Male 18-29
    20 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 4:14 am
    Wow, just.. wow. To all those who say stuff like "If he had nothing to hide.." and "He should have just let them search him", etc. Here I thought we lived in America where everyone is innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.

    You all need to remember as well that these are simply law enforcement officials, not judges. These guys are getting paid to uphold the law, not to bend the rules and abuse their power.

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    TKD_Master Male 18-29
    4794 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 4:31 am
    if everything went down as he says, then those officers should be punished. however, if i were in the back of that guys trunk, i would be glad the officers did this. but still, we have rights...america is so flawed.
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    TKD_Master Male 18-29
    4794 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 4:32 am
    i would just like to point out that just about everybody that has posted on this has written a friggin book about the video. wow.
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    johnnyab Male 18-29
    68 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 5:00 am
    It`s total abuse. American citizens have been stripped of their rights and things are only gonna get worse. Call it a conspiracy if you like, but this is the new world order in action.
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    s0rd3dvis1on Male 18-29
    2388 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 6:15 am
    @johnnyab its not paranoia if they are out to get you
  122. Profile photo of JMWoreo
    JMWoreo Male 18-29
    2 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 6:23 am
    check this out... i`m not implying that he deserved what he got, just think people should know what type of guy this peaceful pastor is...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDLlEh0x2...

  123. Profile photo of FreshMint
    FreshMint Male 18-29
    181 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 6:56 am
    JMWoreo, true. However, the point is that these agents are trying to exercize power they just dont have. He is not crossing the border, he is travelling within the US.

    The agents are just doing their job, I agree. But who is giving orders initially? The US governement. There is clearly a problem.

  124. Profile photo of Rick_S
    Rick_S Male 40-49
    3282 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 7:23 am
    What`s the big deal. Yes, I`m a US citizen. You`re free to go. This guy is a conspiracy theorist who is out to make trouble.
  125. Profile photo of mehh
    mehh Female 18-29
    528 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 7:24 am
    After watching JMWoreo`s link this was an abuse of power that he actively provoked. If you do this at every checkpoint, you`re bound to get beaten up. That being said, why the hell are their checkpoints between U.S. states? It`s the same country!
  126. Profile photo of RobSwindol
    RobSwindol Male 30-39
    2514 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 7:43 am
    Hey, dumbass, if you have nothing to hide, then do the smart thing at any checkpoint and cooperate. By not answering their initial questions, you have then given them reason to be highly suspicious and thus giving them "probable cause". They didn`t need any dog. Jesus Christ! Are all bible thumpers this ignorant of the law?
  127. Profile photo of FreshMint
    FreshMint Male 18-29
    181 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 7:46 am
    Rick_S, of course. But at the end of the day, these controls are against the US Constitutional Law.

    You might accept them on a voluntary basis, but if you refuse to state your nationality they have to let you go. You may critize the guy`s attitude and purpose, but he has the law on his side, not the agents who stopped him.

  128. Profile photo of FreshMint
    FreshMint Male 18-29
    181 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 7:49 am
    RobSwindol, the US Constituational Law state on theses cases for a reason.You might wan to think again before you pull out the age old "if you have nothing to hide, then allow people to see".
  129. Profile photo of Astheroid
    Astheroid Male 18-29
    81 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 8:08 am
    IF he would have cooperated in the first place, then those things wouldn`t have happened.

    What if some guy was really smuggling or something, and there was a checkpoint, and he did what this guy did, but the police were "Oh yeah, you can go..."

    I`ve been in a lot of similar cases, and what I do, is just cooperate.

    And if that kind of reasoning will work, then why would there be checkpoints anyway.

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    yorelneb Male 18-29
    11 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 8:18 am
    Whether or not they had probable cause is questionable. However, the police only have a right to use such force as is necessary and when the "threat" has passed, they have overstepped their lawful authority. Quite arguably, when they shattered the windows and tazered him, they no longer had the authority to use such force. If he pursues this, the cops will definitely be fired and the city liable for the damage to the car, his medical expenses, etc. So stupid...
  131. Profile photo of Pindragon
    Pindragon Male 18-29
    600 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 8:49 am
    Should he has cooperated for his own good? Yes.

    Should he have been treated like that? HELL NO.

    There was no reason for him to be treated in such a way. Our rights are there for us to excercise them. If this is how citizens are treated for excercising their rights then what is the f***ing point of having rights?

    He is not dumbass, he is not an idiot, he is a citizen who took a stand out against something he felt was not right.

    So mock him all you want. At least he tried to do something.

  132. Profile photo of Cheese84o6
    Cheese84o6 Male 13-17
    394 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 8:53 am
    Sure it would have been easier to cooperate, but we as Americans have principles and know that we have constitutional rights to our privacy. If the agents have a warrant then by all means search, but we don`t live in Nazi Germany, and without probable cause at the very least they have no right to pry.

    I don`t care what your view is, this is obviously abuse of power.

  133. Profile photo of Hayduke1
    Hayduke1 Male 60-69
    1 post
    April 19, 2009 at 8:55 am
    Sorry folks! This is America or it was the last time I looked. This whole Border Patrol fiasco of stopping cars on public highways smacks of fascism. It`s not a matter of cooperating with the authorities it`s about preserving our freedom to move about in our own country.
  134. Profile photo of Boredx12
    Boredx12 Female 13-17
    1654 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 8:56 am
    This told me nothing new.
    Yes, the police are non-nice individuals.
    Yes, they like to beat the crap out of people for fun.
    Yes, they`ll make poo up to use against you.
    Yes, they use tazers as methods of torture.

    Basically we`re getting a police state, and there`s bugger all we can do about it.

  135. Profile photo of Astheroid
    Astheroid Male 18-29
    81 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 9:20 am
    Rights are made to protect the people. Not only to protect you.

    If you look at it from the Police view, the guy resisted the search.
    I believe he was politely asked to step out of his vehicle. If he wasn`t, then that`s really abuse of power.

    Yes, some cops are not that good, but that doesn`t mean all of the cops are really like that.
    Generally, Why would someone want to hurt someone for some reason?

    And just a question, was his window pulled down, b`coz he said the window in the driver side was smashed too.

  136. Profile photo of Corpsecrank
    Corpsecrank Male 30-39
    930 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 9:25 am
    This guy is an idiot. When border patrol says do something and you refuse you deserve to be beaten.
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    Dogboy76 Male 30-39
    156 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 9:32 am
    Its the police. What do yoiu expect from them? They`re like this the world over. They`ll do their best to get round any rights you may have.

    Although it would be interesting to see their side of it, since people are taking the pastors word as gospel (pardon the pun)

  138. Profile photo of MechBFP
    MechBFP Male 18-29
    813 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 9:46 am
    RobSwindol, so in other words "You should just give up your legal rights because you know you will be assaulted."
    Dumbass.
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    MechBFP Male 18-29
    813 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 9:48 am
    Corpsecrank, no, you deserve to have your time wasted thats for sure, but you do not deserve to get beaten for not allowing an illegal search of your private property.
    You`re such an uncivilized retard.
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    MechBFP Male 18-29
    813 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 10:02 am
    soundman427, that document only applies to international borders. It does not apply in this case.
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    MechBFP Male 18-29
    813 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 10:09 am
    soundman427, "if (1) the government officials have reasonable certainty
    or a “high degree of probability” that a border was crossed; (2) they also have
    reasonable certainty that no change in the object of the search has occurred between
    the time of the border crossing and the search; and (3) they have “reasonable
    suspicion” that criminal activity was occurring."
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    Groogle Male 30-39
    2172 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 10:23 am
    If you have nothing to hide then why prevent those people from doing their job?

    Oh right... almost forgot that you`re paranoid.

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    soundman427 Male 18-29
    84 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 10:27 am
    My speculation is they believed he may have had contraband that may have crossed the border since he was traveling so close to it.
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    MechBFP Male 18-29
    813 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 10:28 am
    Groogle, maybe he had a giant dildo and a blow up doll in the trunk?
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    Neagle Male 30-39
    1405 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 10:45 am
    I do not care for this guy`s method of provocation protest. This individual may have one hell of a lawsuit because they have been briefed on this individuals activities and been instructed to call a supervisor immediately and to wave him through if there is no probable cause to detain. The State Trouper has substantially more rights then the Boarder Patrol and should have asked the driver to produce his license, proof of insurance and registration. A state or municipal officer may make this request at any time to a driver of a vehicle without cause. This would have cleared up the citizenship issue. The Trouper also should have insisted that the dog be brought over to inspect the vehicle in his presence to substantiate the Boarder Patrols agents claims if no he should have been released. In my opinion the creation of "Free Trade Zones" in the US are a clear violation of the Constitution and it is the reason these internal check points have been created. My advice is to a
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    tispayne Male 18-29
    105 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 11:45 am
    so...hes left it a day..& still hasnt washed his face...dirty bastard...
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    tispayne Male 18-29
    105 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 11:56 am
    what a complete and utter twat...if your gona behave like that then what..do..you..fecking..expect..the dog was sniffing?? guess what `sniffer` dogs are supposed to do..?!? deserved it for being arrogant enough to think he`s higher than the law...

    also, if he had answered the questions, they wouldnt have brought the dog over in the first place...teeeewat....

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    EvilBloop Male 18-29
    93 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 12:17 pm
    tispayne, he doesn`t have to answer questions or consent to a search
    what they did totally crossed the line
    what he was suspected of didn`t require force like this
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    wake_n_bake Male 18-29
    663 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 12:21 pm
    Thats drated up.

    and @ tispayne, drug dogs are trained to bark if they detect something. if the dog just sniffed his car and walked off, it didnt find anything.

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    XenonXavior Male 18-29
    49 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 12:24 pm
    Many people here have said that he should have just answered the questions and let the officers search his car.

    Yes, that would have gotten him through with a lot less pain and trouble. I believe the principle he was fighting for here is more important. By exercising his rights in this way, he was saying a lot more about what freedom means to him. It`s not that he would have been in trouble by letting them search, it`s that he shouldn`t HAVE to let them search. That`s worth fighting for.

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    handeman77 Male 40-49
    240 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 12:40 pm
    Drug dogs are trained to sit and bark, pointing. Bomb dogs are trained to lie down and back slowly away... while pointing. And this guy needs to sue,sue,sue. The `officers` need to go down, down, down.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
    3359 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 12:43 pm
    Steven Anderson is the Anti-Christ.
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    Keegan31 Male 18-29
    228 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 12:50 pm
    "so...hes left it a day..& still hasnt washed his face...dirty bastard..."

    According to him, he had just washed his face. So, did you comment on a video you didn`t actually watch?

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    soundman427 Male 18-29
    84 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 1:41 pm
    wake_n_bake, you seen to many movies
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    pseudonym28 Female 18-29
    48 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 1:47 pm
    This is why I am glad to live in Canada.
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    SavageNation Male 40-49
    186 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 2:19 pm
    I feel bad, but your video tells it all! If they ask you questions and you have nothing to hide...THEN ANSWER THE QUESTIONS! Let the officers do their jobs! Ugh, everyone is above the law- Well this is the result for acting like a jerk and not obeying the officers. Sorry guy, as much as I`d like to- Can`t feel bad for you! Schmuck!!
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    yoimmylene Female 13-17
    2065 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 3:08 pm
    Whoa, I didn`t know tazers made you bleed.
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    yoimmylene Female 13-17
    2065 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 3:10 pm
    Wait. Nevermind. Wow. Completely skipped over the word `beaten.` Obviously I didn`t watch the entire video. Eheh.
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    krabkat Female 18-29
    1261 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 4:18 pm
    So Corpsecrank says: "This guy is an idiot. When border patrol says do something and you refuse you deserve to be beaten."

    So based on your opinion, if the Border Patrol stopped YOU and told you to drop your pants so they could inspect your privates for contraband, you would comply? Seriously, would you?

    I think any reasonable, innocent person would probably allow these cops to check their trunk, etc. BUT the point here is that when a person refuses there are regulations in place that the cops are to follow. Nowhere does it say that it`s permitted to break two windows, tazer a person multiple times, grind their head into broken glass, etc. They could have easily removed him from his car without all the excessive force, they are trained in that. They were pissed at him and took it out on him and they should pay the consequences. The very least they should have done was to have the dog come back a second time - it was a reasonable request.
    Do I think this guy wanted

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    krabkat Female 18-29
    1261 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 4:19 pm
    to provoke this kind of response? Yes?
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    krabkat Female 18-29
    1261 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 4:20 pm
    Crap...I meant, Yes!! Sigh>
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    Mjustin Male 18-29
    335 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 4:52 pm
    "This guy is an idiot. When border patrol says do something and you refuse you deserve to be beaten."

    F*ck you.

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    catbarf Male 18-29
    1455 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 4:54 pm
    "deserved it for being arrogant enough to think he`s higher than the law..."

    So by following the law and NOT allowing the officers to act above the law, he did the wrong thing?

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    ztlonewolf Male 40-49
    2 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 4:56 pm
    ok,some people on here need to do their research before they post,what you do is go to your favorite search engine and look up "terry stop",all that they needed was "reasonable suspicion" to beable to search his vehicle,there was no 4th admendment violation,he may have a case for unreasonable force,but that is all
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    Mjustin Male 18-29
    335 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 5:03 pm
    @ ztlonewolf - Refusing to consent to a search does not give "reasonable suspicion." If it does, then the Fourth Amendment is meaningless.
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    Barnk Male 30-39
    486 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 5:25 pm
    By the way, if the border cops are bold enough to grind a suspect`s face into broken glass and step on his head, just imagine what they do to the actual smugglers. I don`t condone lawbreaking, but there are a lot of cruel cops out there that beat people up for fun.
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    Barnk Male 30-39
    486 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 5:30 pm
    Also, massive kudos to the preacher man for walking the walk. Jesus would be proud (if he existed-- sorry). He stood up for his beliefs despite Officer P. Pilate`s promise of pain. Hopefully, this selfless act will result in a more respectful police force. (I can dream, can`t I?)
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    Barnk Male 30-39
    486 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 5:48 pm
    One more thing: If you are not behind this man 100%, then you need to reconsider your ability to reason.
    1. To those that claim he deserved it because he was too stupid to know that he should submit to an officer`s request: You are wrong. The preacher knew that he might be in danger; he made a decision that personal freedoms were more important to him than physical safety. He stood up to a bully. Do not confuse courage with ignorance.
    2. To those that claim he deserved it because he was smug: His attitude is open to interpretation, but, even if smugness might somehow be allowed as a beatable offense, it certainly is not acceptable for a police officer. Also, people that advance this claim sound a little smug to me.
    3. To those that claim he provoked the attack: He. Sat. In. His. Car. It`s called peaceful protest. He provoked the attack about as much as Martin Luther King or Ghandi did.
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    freddyferret Male 40-49
    11741 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 6:24 pm
    The police didn`t cross the line. They have the right to check and search. They didn`t go too far or do anything unusual. If he would have agreed to it he would have been on his way in no time. They did have probable cause to search because he was not answering questions or cooperating. Dumbass got what he deserved.
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    Wibble4321 Male 40-49
    414 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 6:26 pm
    @ztlonewolf

    Ok, so Terry Stop covered the frisking of a potentially armed individual of whom the Officer has reasonable suspicion.

    However as stated, the request by the office was not for this guy to submit to a frisk, it was to open his vehicle for an un-warranted stop and search which does not consitute an immediate risk to the officer.

    I don`t see any way Terry Stops are relevant in this case.

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    Wibble4321 Male 40-49
    414 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 6:29 pm
    @freddyferret

    So the police turn up at your house, without a warrant, and ask to have a look around as they `believe` you may have drugs on the premesis. Why? Well, they just think you might.

    You are saying that you are just going to let them in for a casual look around to find whatever they like, and it is your fault if you refuse and they assault you?

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    Mjustin Male 18-29
    335 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 6:53 pm
    @ freddyferret - Read up on probable cause so you don`t seem so stupid in the future.

    Now, I need to point out something about Terry Stops. Terry Stops are still not allowed without reasonable suspicion. This reasonable suspicion must be based on "specific and articulable facts" and not simply an officer`s hunch. The Fourth Amendment applies in a Terry Stop just as much as anywhere else.

    That said, this wasn`t a Terry Stop. In traffic, a Terry Stop is the temporary detention of a person in a vehicle to investigate a possible crime or civil infraction. This also requires reasonable suspicion, but does not constitute a search of the vehicle.

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    jojobobisme Male 18-29
    392 posts
    April 19, 2009 at 7:14 pm
    Freddy, you are truly, TRULY a dumbass. Do you know what probable cause IS?! Do you know the right of every American citizen?!

    This man is innocent in every factor. I`m eagerly awaiting a response to this video, and if he is found guilty.... All hope is gone for America.

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    kcpd2050 Male 40-49
    330 posts
    April 20, 2009 at 12:43 am
    This man is an idiot. Oh and by the way I`m a cop in Missouri and our drug dogs don`t bark at all. They sit when alerting. There are so many experts out there lol. This guy went out of his way to be difficult and it cost him. People want the police when it doesn`t mess with their agenda.
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    Dogboy76 Male 30-39
    156 posts
    April 20, 2009 at 6:22 am
    kcpd2050, as you`re a policeman can you confirm that the officers followed proceedure? I`d have thought that they would have asked him to step from the vehicle and arrest him, rather than the action they took. But as I`m not a policeman I don`t know what procedure would be.

    Could you clarify? Personally. i thjink this could be where the pastors version and the police version may differ.

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    MechBFP Male 18-29
    813 posts
    April 20, 2009 at 6:58 am
    kcpd2050, sure you are.
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    green_batman Female 18-29
    728 posts
    April 20, 2009 at 8:34 am
    The law states that someone can be arrested on reasonable suspicion of wrongdoing if they refuse a search. The dog indicating that there were drugs or a body in the trunk was the reasonable suspicion. It was flawed, and may well have been fabricated, but at the point that they told him that the dog had sniffed something out, he was informed that they had reasonable suspicion to think that he was doing something illegal, and at that point they could have arrested him for refusing a search.

    Many people have been quoting the constitution but the fact is that there is a law in place that has not been overthrown as unconstitutional, so the constitution cannot be used to contradict it.

    The excessive use of violence was wrong, but in every other way the officers did their job correctly, assuming they didn`t make up the story about the dog.

    This website has a good summing up of the law:
    http:/

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    DavidXJ Male 30-39
    1106 posts
    April 20, 2009 at 9:45 am
    This man is clearly in the wrong about not getting out of his car when the cops gave him a reason for probable cause... it`s not up to him to judge whether the dog alerted or not. If they had never given him a valid reason to get out of the car, then it would be different.

    And when they finally had to bust the windows to get him out, cops have to be overly cautious... look what happened to the motorcycle cops in Oakland.

    But this does sound like a bit of cops egos getting the best of them. They could have treated him with more respect after he was secured.

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    osirisascend Male 40-49
    3045 posts
    April 20, 2009 at 10:37 am
    @kcpd2050: I`d have to agree with you. While it is indeed possible that the Border Patrol agents in question bent the rules, they probably did it because the guy was being a complete pain in the ass.

    And you`re right about all of the dog "experts" who have weighed in here. The dog with me in my profile pic is trained in bomb detection, and he sits to indicate to me that he has alerted on something. I have seen PLENTY of dogs that sit as their indicator.

    In my case, I DEFINITELY don`t want the dog scratching and pawing at something he`s telling me can go boom.

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    boglob Male 18-29
    63 posts
    April 20, 2009 at 11:08 am
    I`m with the dude in the vid, he had every right to refuse the officer`s REQUEST. As he said this is his 4th Amememennt Right. Now I`m not American but isn`t the constatution the highest level of law in the USA? As for smashing the windows while he was still in the car thats a blatant intimatidition tactic.

    I actualy have to give all kudous to the dude in the vid for highlighting this abuse of his human right`s. This goe`s against the basic rights of citizens of not just America but of all westren countries and if we don`t stand up these rights will be taken away.

    Just my 2 cents

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    Sammichiaki1 Female 18-29
    206 posts
    April 20, 2009 at 11:45 am
    What an idiot.
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    jdillard Male 18-29
    82 posts
    April 20, 2009 at 11:56 am
    I dont believe a word he says. He was in the wrong here when he refused to answer questions. I never understand why people with nothing to hide act like they have something to hide. And then complain when the police treat them like a criminal.

    If you have nothing to hide then just do what the officer says and you will be on your way in no time!!!

    Not that hard people.

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    anime-craze Male 18-29
    107 posts
    April 20, 2009 at 12:30 pm
    I think i remeber a police officer somewhere saying they have two sets of dogs one for bomb type searching and then one for drugs and other things.

    from what i remeber the officer saying bombs dogs will sit when they detect a bomb.
    well the guy in the video said that they said the dog had detected either drugs or a person.

    wouldn`t this mean thatthe dog should have been going after the trunk?? not just going whatever or sitting???

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    anime-craze Male 18-29
    107 posts
    April 20, 2009 at 12:39 pm
    When a police dog finds what he`s sniffing for, he lets his handler know it`s there by giving the alert signal. Drug dogs use an aggressive alert -- they dig and paw at the spot where they smell the drugs, trying to get at the toy they think is waiting there.
    However, there are some specialties where an aggressive alert would be bad news. If a dog searching for a bomb digs and scratches at it when he finds it, the results could be disastrous. In these cases, a passive alert is used. A good example of passive-alert dogs are the beagles used by the U.S. Department of Agriculture to sniff out produce that isn`t allowed to enter the country. The Beagle Brigade, as they`re affectionately called, sniffs people`s luggage while they wait in customs lines at airports and border crossings. Because no one wants a dog digging at their belongings, the USDA beagles have been trained to simply sit down when they smell fruits or vegetables.

    from

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    anime-craze Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2009 at 12:39 pm
    people.howstuffworks.com/police-dog4.htm
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    Mjustin Male 18-29
    335 posts
    April 20, 2009 at 3:00 pm
    @ jdillard - Read the 5th amendment. Now apologize for being retarded.

    And shut up with that "If you have nothing to hide, then don`t act like you do" bullsh*t. Maybe you`re fine with your liberties being taken away, but some of us enjoy being able to take a sh*t without our toilet sending a detailed medical report to the government.

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    brandonabe Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2009 at 7:18 pm
    Does sound pretty weird, but I actually know this guy. He`s sort of a known liar, and there are videos of him on youtube cussing out someone who disagreed with him during his church service... Might be true, but I would trust a bunch of officers over this dude.
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    Mantolwen Female 18-29
    387 posts
    April 22, 2009 at 1:33 am
    Hmm... sounds like he`s trying to give a modern version of the easter story.
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    dragonshadoz Female 18-29
    4031 posts
    April 22, 2009 at 5:52 am
    All this could have been avoided if he had just let them search the car... for f-ck`s sake. He could have been searched and gone in a matter of minutes, rather than tonnes of time.
    If there`s no arguing, don`t argue and then complain to someone later. Otherwise, with power-hungry authority, it`ll just get worse.

    That said, I have trouble believing him. I feel he`d have more damage to his face than a few scratches. I dunno... to me, if this is true, it just seems like he was acting defiant just to see how far he could go.

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    jdillard Male 18-29
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    April 25, 2009 at 11:10 pm
    @Mjustin
    You read the 5th amendment and apologize for being retarded! The 5th is due-process not search and seizure. That would be the 4th Dumb ass. And re-read my post. I did NOT say he had to submit to the search. Just that if he would have this would not have happened. And that is not giving up your freedom to have your car search if you have nothing to hide. I dont get where yall say that. These man and women are just trying to protect our borders. If that means a little inconvenience to me than I dont care. I may not be happy about the inconvenience but im not going to be an ass about it. I say if these car searches catch even on drug dealer, kid napper, smuggler, or murder then its all worth it. Im sure your the same type that says guns need to be taken away from people to make this country safer. If so, you are the biggest liberal idiot I ve met.
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    jdillard Male 18-29
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    April 25, 2009 at 11:12 pm
    And did any one think that this guy may have looked similar to someone else they were on the lookout for.
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    jdillard Male 18-29
    82 posts
    April 25, 2009 at 11:15 pm
    @anime-craze,
    Not all drug dogs do aggressive alert. Just the ones who flunked out of bomb sniffing for it. I have seen many drug dogs that sit when alerted. But all bomb sniffing dogs are passive alerters.
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    hated0love Female 18-29
    344 posts
    April 28, 2009 at 7:08 am
    thats kind of sad lol but if he wanted any problems he should of let them refusing just makes them think
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    kevinmiller0 Male 18-29
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    May 13, 2009 at 4:49 pm
    hated0love: You are a huge tool and should be ashamed of yourself for saying something like that.
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    kevinmiller0 Male 18-29
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    May 13, 2009 at 4:50 pm
    LOLS
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    Thetas Male 18-29
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    May 14, 2009 at 9:34 am
    People have been blaming him for not agreeing to a search... Well, here`s the question for you? Why should an innocent man who didn`t do anything- A free citizen of the United States be subject to either getting a thorough search or being subject to a beating. There`s a reason 1984 is such a well-known book...
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