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41 Responses to Agnostic Bar Mitzvah Speech

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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2009 at 7:25 am
    Link: Agnostic Bar Mitzvah Speech - Not the sort of speech you expect at a Bar Mitzvah! Smart kid!
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2009 at 7:54 am
    Actually, this gets the Baal seal of approval.
    Smart kid.Nice to see some introspection in a 13 year old.

    Also: Primary!

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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    April 20, 2009 at 8:28 am
    "Today, I am MY OWN man!
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    roariamadino Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2009 at 10:09 am
    fantastic
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    partyyyy Male 18-29
    148 posts
    April 20, 2009 at 10:13 am
    now off with the forskin !!!
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    littlepete50 Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2009 at 10:24 am
    that was quality
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    johnnyab Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2009 at 10:36 am
    that was great, what a cool kid and how cool of them to let him make that speech - quite uplifting
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    ohplease Male 50-59
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    April 20, 2009 at 11:45 am
    exactly! well spoken.
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2009 at 12:12 pm
    If you`re not sure, you`re not theistic, and therefore atheistic. Gnosticism pertains to knowledge, theism to belief.
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    LemonTarte Female 18-29
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    April 20, 2009 at 12:37 pm
    That`s nice. He`s pretty articulate for a thirteen year old.
  11. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2009 at 12:49 pm
    Catbarf: "If you`re not sure, you`re not theistic"

    No more so than if you don`t drive a car you must be a panda.

    You can doubt and still be theist, because belief in itself does not require 100% certainty. (No matter who crammed that bullpoo down your throat).

    Many people believe that they won`t win the lottery, that does not necessarily mean they don`t buy tickets. That is because their belief is not 100%. It`s still belief. The word is not being misused.

    His quote was specifically that he didn`t know if he believed in God. (It is not possible to tell if he is atheist/theist from the video).

    He implied he didn`t know the nature of God. That is agnostic. It`s therefore an agnostic speech.

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    520 Male 13-17
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    April 20, 2009 at 1:38 pm
    is that a real jew fro?
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    theHUSHSOUND Female 13-17
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    April 20, 2009 at 1:51 pm
    jew fro!!!!
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    April 20, 2009 at 1:55 pm
    I think this kid was still questioning his belief in the stories of the bible, Which can seem quite unbelievable, Not necessarily his belief in God.

    You don`t have to believe the whole bible in order to believe in God, and I think that`s what this kid is wrestling with.

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    simim23 Female 18-29
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    April 20, 2009 at 2:10 pm
    "If you`re not sure, you`re not theistic, and therefore atheistic. Gnosticism pertains to knowledge, theism to belief."

    If you`re not sure, you`re not Gnostic.
    Agnosticism simply means "I don`t know if God exists or not."

    An Agnostic Theist would say, "I`m not entirely sure if God exists or not, but I believe he does."

    An Agnostic Atheist would say, "I could be wrong, but I don`t believe God exists."

    A Gnostic Theist would say, "God exists and I know, without a doubt, that this is true."

    A Gnostic Atheist would say, "There`s no way God exists, at all."

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    commentClown Male 13-17
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    April 20, 2009 at 2:17 pm
    that was very lame
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    Okasen Female 13-17
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    April 20, 2009 at 3:07 pm
    I so needed to watch this.. for one, it`s nice to see a kid who can think for himself. Also, the fact everyone seemed alright with his speech was.. well, shocking.
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    GlooStikk Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2009 at 3:56 pm
    honestly, i expected something a little more than this. not to discourage anyone who got anything more out of it than i did, but he just voiced some of the most basic "god hang-ups"... thats cool, but weren`t we all doing that at his age? even if we weren`t saying it in front of anyone else? i guess i just expected something else.
    XB
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    GlooStikk Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2009 at 4:01 pm
    aw now i just re-read my comment and i feel like kind of a jackass! i also meant to mention that he`s got balls for saying all that in front of his family and friends, no doubt! keep on thinking for yourself!
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    WHOISIT12345 Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2009 at 4:14 pm
    he looks like the rapper Edan...
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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2009 at 4:15 pm
    GlooStikk.

    He stood up and said those things at his own Bar Mitzvah. The same equivlent would be saying "I`m agnostic" at say..your`re own christening (though traditionally most people couldnt due to the age issue). All in all it`s a big thing when taken in it`s context!

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    langdonhill Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2009 at 5:18 pm
    I`m gonna go ahead and assume that these guys are Reform. I was raised Christian and am currently an atheist, but I`ve spent enough time going to relative`s banai mitzvot at a Conservative synagogue to know that those words would sort of get you excommunicated, or whatever the Jewish equivalent of that would be. Decircumcised, maybe?
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    langdonhill Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2009 at 5:20 pm
    As to the linguistic argument raging below, "gnosis" means knowledge in Greek. By adding the prefix "a-", you are saying that you are literally "without knowledge". Agnostic describes the kid pretty well.
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    Barnk Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2009 at 6:26 pm
    Sacrilicious!
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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2009 at 6:38 pm
    Mazel tov.
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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2009 at 6:45 pm
    People, to clear stuff up:

    Circumcision is the removal of the foreskin of the penis. The ceremony is called a briss. It is done during infancy, because if you ever get circumsized as an adult when you can remember the pain, you will regret it. The practice is done more commonly these days for hygienic reasons.

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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    April 20, 2009 at 8:01 pm
    Nidonemo:
    It is done during infancy, because if you ever get circumsized as an adult when you can remember the pain, you will regret it.
    --------------------------------------------------

    Yes. I speak from experiance.I dont regret having the surgery because I needed it though the recovery was rather nasty (no I`m not Jewish)! I certainly do not support the Jewish tradition of circumcising infants. Let them make up their own mind when they are adults!

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    raydar Male 13-17
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    April 20, 2009 at 8:20 pm
    Wait the bible? thats not jewish *gasp*! lol great speech
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    April 20, 2009 at 9:00 pm
    Of course there is a god... how absurd. I am God.
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    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    April 20, 2009 at 10:56 pm
    "The practice is done more commonly these days for hygienic reasons."

    Actually there are no real hygienic reasons to do it, ask any doctor. The tradition of removing the foreskin of an infant (or an adult in rare cases) is a dying one, as it has no real scientific basis. I will admit that in Africa, studies have shown that circumcision greatly reduces the risk of passing on an STD. This is mostly due to the lack of sexual protection used and extreme lack of basic hygiene.

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    dystopia04 Female 18-29
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    April 20, 2009 at 11:25 pm
    i like it!
  32. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    April 20, 2009 at 11:43 pm
    @ simim23 I`m an Antagonostic. "I`m not entirely sure if God exists or not, but if he does, I know I don`t like him."
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    s0rd3dvis1on Male 18-29
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    April 21, 2009 at 12:40 am
    I agree infact being circumcised is supposedly uncomfortable and can lead to uretha infections
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    Postal2aw Male 13-17
    54 posts
    April 21, 2009 at 4:26 am
    Huh... I live in ISRAEL!
    And I work in a fancy event hall which has a bar mitzvah or something like that almost every day, so I see these kind of thing pretty often...
    I HATE MY JOB!
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    T-Marley Male 70 & Over
    602 posts
    April 21, 2009 at 4:43 am
    While Opie raises good points, recently the topic of circumcision has become debated again.

    The true decline in circumcisions in the US was started when Insurance Companies in several states decided to stop covering the procedure on the "it`s not necessary" decision.

    Basic hygiene is much better here, but some would argue that the sheer predominance of circumcision in America has also helped reduce the spread of STDs in the first place, especially things like Chlamydia, and certain ulcers and Cancers.

    Being someone who has had it done, I can say I don`t remember if it hurt or not, and it rocks :)

    The complications that could come from being circumcised happen infrequently indeed(0.2 - 2% in the US), and in fact circumcision is sometimes the best option for an uncircumcised adult male who is suffering certain medical problems.

    http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/circumcision.htm

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    AGit Male 30-39
    995 posts
    April 21, 2009 at 5:02 am
    Smart kid? Cut off his finger, let`s see how smart he is....
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    outdoorMINER Female 18-29
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    April 21, 2009 at 6:39 am
    I agree infact being circumcised is supposedly uncomfortable and can lead to uretha infections"

    I read that as "Aretha infections". And that made me think of Aretha Franklin... :/

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    BlackDragonB Male 18-29
    69 posts
    April 21, 2009 at 1:45 pm
    @AGit

    Let`s cut off your dick, let`s see how much more stupid comments you`ll make..

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    mehh Female 18-29
    528 posts
    April 21, 2009 at 6:56 pm
    it doesn`t matter. You`re weenie will never see its hat ever again
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    LuvDefying Female 18-29
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    April 21, 2009 at 7:07 pm
    jewfro!
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    dairy Male 18-29
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    April 22, 2009 at 3:16 am
    that was annoying. anyone read Dr McNinja? "IIIIVE GOT DIABEEEETEEEEEES....nyeeeeeeeer"

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