The Stupidest US Senator Ever

Submitted by: pmarren 8 years ago in

Oh God, WHY do we elect these idiots?
There are 115 comments:
Male 6
Got ya journalism wasting time on a ridiculous semantic argument. It is this kind of @#$% that distracts us from real issues. The IDIOT here was the reporter.......
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Male 122
"WHY do we elect these idiots?"

Hmmm, a few answers come to mind... but I think Forest Gump said it best...

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Female 528
"What the Senator is saying is that if someone came up to you with a gun and took your wallet out of your pocket, that would be involuntary. But, if someone came up to you with a gun and told you to hand over your wallet, that would be voluntary."

Hehehe. Nicely worded

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Male 247
Just two tards talking to each other. Sadly the politician here is now the Leader of the Senate.
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Male 374
What the Senator is saying is that if someone came up to you with a gun and took your wallet out of your pocket, that would be involuntary. But, if someone came up to you with a gun and told you to hand over your wallet, that would be voluntary.
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Male 12
PHRASEOLOGY IS A WORD
brucie22 your wrong
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Female 360
the politician is explaining a term, the interviewer is arguing with him over a technicality. I don`t think the politician`s necessarily an idiot, but the interview is definitely a jackass.
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Male 15
Stupid interviewing and very incabable politician.
Although i do love the way American politicians invent words (Phraseology) to make them sound intellectual. Surely phraseology would mean "the study of phrases" not a phrase that was just used.

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Male 312
he sounded like a broken record. "The fact of the matter is, our system was a voluntary system." He was that like 4 times!!

a least some of our politicians don`t sound like they`re completely full of shyte.

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Male 381
i culd murder a bacon sandwhich right now, hell i could eat about 5 :S
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Female 19
I`m bored disturbed by the interviewer`s tie. O_O
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Male 92
michaelcsr
Male, 30-39, Western US
342 Posts Saturday, March 14, 2009 9:44:05 PM
Actually, he`s right. You can choose to pay your taxes OR you can choose to go to prison.

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well yeah, but that isnt really voluntary; theres a consequence if you choose not to pay. :P

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Female 14
They`re basically arguing over a definition: the interviewer defines "voluntary" as having the ability to make a choice without consequence, whereas Harry Reid means that Americans have to "voluntarily" file taxes themselves instead of leaving it up to their employers (although some places do this...) So they`re both right in some ways.
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Male 422
I`d actually like direct taxation... I have to fill in the form till the 31th and am not very motivated to do so...
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Female 1,112
Ohnjaynb, I agree. You are totally right, they are argueing two different points.. The volutary portion of the tax sytem in both the US and Canada, is that you can include various deductions, that would otherwise be overlooked by a direct taxtion. Our choice is what we save haha! Not whether or not we pay!
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Male 559
Actually, he`s right. You can choose to pay your taxes OR you can choose to go to prison.
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Female 46
Hah, it`s voluntary, as long as you volunteer to pay taxes!
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Female 465
This is the same guy who said that the war in Iraq was lost. It`s time for this horse to be put to pasture.
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Male 250
It is voluntary in a way cuz of u dont do it ur dratED...so DO IT..btw the reporter looks hiiiigh as drat...lol
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Male 592
what he`s saying is not entirely retarded. the U.S. tax system is a bit, complicated. Taxes are actually often referred to as "voluntary" but this refers to the fact the we have to count up our taxes and file our tax returns and such by ourselves rather than have it calculated automatically when we`re payed (like a sales tax). This is all basically legal terminology that makes no sense to most people, and I`ll admit the word voluntary should be avoided. I am also disappointed that he didn`t phrase this fact better.

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Male 1,590
Remember folks, this is your Senate majority leader.
Citizens of Nevada, do us all a favor and vote this guy out next time.
Please.
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Male 9
what a fcking dumbass.
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Male 260
Yep. Grade A retard.
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Male 689
lol "phraseology"
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Male 167
Reid is a stupid ass...and he has a poo load of power in the Senate...yet hes a Democrat, and Obama thinks hes a genius...but hes clearly not. So why do we vote for these idiots?
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Male 1,149
Reid got owned and he knew it too.
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Female 177
Well maybe not politics, but rather politicians*
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Female 177
If you want to be all technical about it sure, hes correct. But hes only stretching the truth. =/
Politics are crooked, and have always been.
Its human nature to be out for yourself, why should any other human but ourselves be in charge of us?

But no, America couldn`t deal with anarchy because fear of government keeps at least some, more major crimes from happening. Then someone would always eventually try to take power, and in history, anarchy`s never really worked anyways...

...Okay im getting waaay ahead of myself. =P

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Male 23
Typical lying A-hole politician. It depends on what your definition of "is" is.
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Female 1,653
I reckon we should be able to Opt Out.
No more income tax, but no more anything else.
ie we could just leave society altogether and live on free island where everything you own, you made for yourself.
I like that idea :)
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Male 151
his phrasing is pretty selective...if enough people rioted and raised hell about how much they paid, then YES your not forced to pay taxes...but if i just say "no" then ill go 2 jail

but sinced we are FORCED to pay taxes...are we FORCED to live in a free country? the words he used bring up a different emotion than the one the senator felt should be conveyed...

its like you saying you dont think we should be in iraq...stupid people will then say "then you want america to LOSE in iraq"...

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Male 186
escape taxation from the king because it was "taxation without representation." come on, I suck at history and even I know that. it isnt fored any more than laws are "forced." we voted for the representatives and they enact the rules.
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Male 274
i really cant see stupidity in this senator... i agree with ultimakewl that hes very smart by dodging the issue and hes technically correct by using the expressions he used...
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Male 4,393
so sad...
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Male 3,431
Enough JIBBA JABBA!
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Male 19
Not to mention that the major reason we left England was to escape forced taxation from the king. Bleh.
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Male 4,745
"Lol. This has turned into a Canada Vs US war."

Yup. And we are breaking out our canoes and heading their way now!


Eh.

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Male 1,623
Lol. This has turned into a Canada Vs US war.
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Male 833
more like smartest senator, atleast in that video. hes clearly dodging the initial question. and hes doing it well, half way through no one even remembers the question. what hes saying is technically correct but logically incorrect, and thats why he said it. he knew it would cause the interviewer to question the logic behind that statement.
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Male 4,745
Glad I could help Lockon. And now I can have my morning coffee, knowing I`ve helped at least one lost soul today.
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Male 376
"You guys in the U.S. do know that the rest of the world, with the exception of a few nasty spots, have the same rights and privileges as you do? Some have even more then you do."

ARE YOU SERIOUS? I THOUGHT EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD WAS EITHER COMMUNISTS OR TERRORISTS! MAN MY MIND HAS BEEN BLOWN!

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Male 4,745
And by the way guys in the US. I noticed he said you get to file you tax return and claim deductions etc. "Unlike most countries". I`ve heard this sort of thing before.

You guys in the U.S. do know that the rest of the world, with the exception of a few nasty spots, have the same rights and privileges as you do? Some have even more then you do.

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Male 4,745
Stupidest senator? I`d have to say stupidest interviewer.
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Male 650
voluntary meaning if we want to leave America we can unlike China back in the Gun Powder Revolution and poo like that
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Male 559
Reid was semanticly correct. It`s not hes fault the interviewer doesn`t realize saying someone is "forced" to do something means there are no other choices. Reid is trying to explain those other choices but he keeps getting interuppted.

English fail for the interviewer.

That being said, Reid is an idiot. Just not right here. There are plenty of reasons to make fun of this man. I find it interesting that this old video was dug up to shed a bad light on him. Just look at what he has to say about abortion, civil rights, immigration... from a democrat no less.

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Male 559
Oh yeah, how about Senator Ted Stevens with his "Series of Tubes" Speech? I think that is quite a bit worse this.
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Male 559
Reid was semanticly correct. It`s not hes fault the interviewer doesn`t realize saying someone is "forced" to do something means there are no other choices. Reid is trying to explain those other choices but he keeps getting interuppted.

English fail for the interviewer.

That being said, Reid is an idiot. Just not right here. There are plenty of reasons to make fun of this man. I find it interesting that this old video was dug up to shed a bad light on him. Just look at what he has to say about abortion, civil rights, immigration... from a democrat no less.

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Male 667
It`s like talking to a fcking wall...
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Male 176
At a minimum it can be said that this guy is either unable to descibe his position or is being stubborn over terminology with the interviewer at the expense of the viwers understanding his position just to piss off the interviewer and the audience = dumbass di*khead.
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Male 3,343
I understand what the interviewer was saying. Yes, it is a forced system. We HAVE TO pay taxes. But, not all of your tax money goes to welfare. It goes to all sorts of things, like that Senator`s pay, sending the shuttle into space. You can`t say that your tax dollars go anywhere in particular.
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Male 10
This gut is correct in what he says
Here in Ireland we don`t file income returns
Thats what he means
He has just been misunderstood
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Male 588
CrakrJak - "They`re like Jello you can`t nail them to the wall."

LOL! Quoted for being the best metaphor I`ve seen so far this year.

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Male 588
He`s right that the US is one of the only countries that has mortgage interest deductibility. As a result, however, studies have shown that Americans purchase homes that are larger than people making the same equivalent amount in other countries. Proof that tax incentives work. Give someone a break on mortgage interest and they just take out a bigger mortgage.

So to everyone in the US who lives in a house and has a mortgage - Your socialist government is subsidizing your housing.

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Male 1,360
Nice tie...
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Male 1,623
"Yes, socialism requires little from the individual besides just performing their basic assigned duties... and this is a good thing? Also, enjoy your free health care which gives you meds and medical technology developed in the free market system of the US. Honestly, people are so damn short-sighted and willfully ignorant these days... "

Lol @ calling socialists short sighted. You fail.

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Male 134
those first two are wearing the fugliest ties I`ve ever seen. wtf?
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Male 27
Yes, socialism requires little from the individual besides just performing their basic assigned duties... and this is a good thing? Also, enjoy your free health care which gives you meds and medical technology developed in the free market system of the US. Honestly, people are so damn short-sighted and willfully ignorant these days...
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Male 1,178
Well he is right technically. It is voluntary, you can either pay it or not pay it. You suffer a consequence if you don`t pay. but that is your choice to make. Whereas in the UK, we have our money taken straight out of the paycheck, you don`t get the choice. It is voluntary, its just not unpunished. The guy isn`t an idiot,the interviewer just didn`t understand what he was getting at.
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Male 2,850
By the way, in this awful socialist nation of the UK, I`m paying 19% income tax...or rather, I`m paying 12% income tax and 7% national insurance, which pays for my state pension, unemployment benefit AND universal healthcare.

So Americans, can you pay your income tax, pay your pension, and pay for full-coverage health insurance for under 19% of your income?

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Male 2,850
I`m in the UK, I LIKE our system; the tax is taken from my pay before I get it. OMIGOSH IT`S FORCED! Well, yes it is...but it`s forced from Americans too...but the difference is, I don`t have to waste my time filling in any forms.

Strange how the "socialist" system has less red tape to deal with. :P

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Male 156
If you pay them seperately then of course it`s voluntary. You have a choice to pay them or not. But as with many choices, there are concequences of making the wrong choice!!
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Male 17,511
Harry Reid is an idiot, It is NOT voluntary that you pay taxes, Either your employer physically takes it out of your check or (if you own a business) you have to file a tax return declaring your income and write the government a check for what you owe (sometimes every 3 months).

There is nothing voluntary about the IRS collecting USA citizens taxes. The only small part, That is voluntary, Are the deductions you declare on your 1040

Reid tried to confuse this, With the "Voluntary" statement, Because he didn`t want to answer the main question. Typical politician tap dancing around, They`re like Jello you can`t nail them to the wall.

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Male 715
Cont from previous post.
occasional jail time.

Take some time to read up on it. Besides do you really think a man "in the business" of working for the government has no idea how it works?
That`s like telling the cop he doesn`t understand traffic laws.

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Male 715
It`s sad how people really don`t know anything about it. Paying federal income tax is a voluntary process. It`s not voluntary like Spider suggests. It`s voluntary that you are expected to know the law, and how the law works. Once you begin paying federal income tax you are no longer exempt from paying it unless you can prove that you were not provided ample information from the IRS stating that you were exempt in the first place. This is a case of "ignorance is no excuse in the eyes of the law", since the IRS makes the law documents available to each and every person who is eligible to pay federal taxes. The law itself is written with strong words, such as "must", at the time Brown`s law dictionary defined "must" as "may".
The downside to this is that because so many people don`t understand the law and take it at face value, if you try to liberate yourself from paying taxes you typically end up with exacerbating court costs and occasiona
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Female 779
I know what the poor guy was TRYING to say, to bad he decided to phrase it the way he did. What he meant was that in Europe tax is taken from paychecks forcefully while in America you pay them seperate. Stupid debate in my opinion they are kind of argueing about something obvious. :P
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Male 2,238
Haha, that rocked. Videos from a simpler time.....
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Male 32
dystopia04
"Taxes are just a part of being in a country; it is a citizen`s responsibility"
So you enjoy paying for those $10,000 hammers and private vacations because I don`t. I also am tired of paying %26 of my pay check into taxes last year I paid around $15,000 in taxes. That is highway robbery now everything in America is being socialized so my taxes will go up another percent or 2 your welcome lazy broke ass Americans with no drive. Lao Tzu - "Give a Man a Fish, Feed Him for a Day. Teach a Man to Fish, Feed Him for a Lifetime" This could be applied to education and personal responsibility which Americans feel is in humane.

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Male 4,793
my god i wish taxes were voluntary. i would be up a few hundred bucks.
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Male 1,343
my god i am in love with this mans tie.
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Male 26
My god, why do we allow these awful journalists to broadcast their clearly terrible reporting. The problem here is two people that are not understanding the word "Voluntary" in the same light. And the end result is this 4 minute mess.
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Female 1,082
taxes are just a part of being in a country, it is a citizen`s responsibility
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Male 32
You can volunteer to pay your taxes you just have to be a senator they do it all the time. The original colonist of the America refused to pay their taxes and Britain tried to force them they resisted Revolution. Too many Americans believe that this government is American when it is not. "The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the atmosphere."
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Abigail Adams, February 22, 1787
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Male 928
Whoever said this was the stupidest Senator has obviously not seen Religulous.

I`m liberal, but I really have no choice but to admit that Harry Reid fails pretty hard here.

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Male 1,835
is this old? the interviewer person looks 90s
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Male 380
Some taxes make sense.. like the health care system in canada... Income tax doesnt make sense... it was a war tax a long time ago...
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Male 228
Taxes are voluntary. You don`t want to pay them? Leave. That`s your choice.
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Male 13
This guy is not stupid, he knows exactly what he`s doing. Law is not voluntary because if you do`nt follow it you are forced to do something you do`nt want to do, like going to jail or paying more. Taxes should be paid but you should have the choice as to what the money goes to. Whats bullpoo is that the breaks(loopholes) that people get are geared towards familys and pregnant 15 year olds that have a bunch of kids and go on welfare and thereby gaining even more money. How about breaks for single people who decide not to have kids as well.
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Male 1,788
The interviewer was arguing bullsh*t.
What?? The government takes our money and gives it to people in places? NOOOO!!! Stop the presses!!
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Male 2,582
This interviewer can`t be taken seriously in that tie...
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Male 15,832
This guy isn`t just a typical idiot senator; he`s the Democrat Majority Leader. In other words, the Democrats think this guy`s the best they have!

He may not be the best, but he`s far from the worst.

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Male 1,451
This doesn`t prove any stupidity. The interviewer is being ignorant. Our tax system is just like any other "law." They are all completely voluntary. You will, however, suffer the consequences of not paying if you decide not to. If I wish to murder my neighbor I am perfectly able to do that, but I will more than likely go to prison for it, possibly for the rest of my life. In that case, however, I will not be stopped prior to it happening. When you get a job you can refuse to withhold taxes, then when you file the next year you will owe. It`s all in how people perceive the words. Take abortion for example. There are theoretically two side "Pro-choice" and "Pro-Life." Using this mans thought process someone on the Pro-choice side would be anti-life, and vice versa. This is ridiculous and exactly what certain people want to be in our subconscious.

I apologize and step off of my soap box.

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Male 10,440
You elected these idiots because you yourselves are idiots. Also, you asked.

The reporter wasn`t too sharp either.

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Male 5
And clearly, the mafia does not force people to pay protection money. They can choose not to pay. They just also choose to have their kneecaps broken and their shops burned to the ground.
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Male 11,739
Sure it`s voluntary. You can choose not to pay your taxes. Of course you also choose to go to jail. But in the end it`s your choice. This guy is a bigger moron than Bush.

*edit* Sorry, Lionhart2 already said that.

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Male 78
Where can I get a degree in Phraseology? Are there any graduate courses in it?
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Male 221
Killer tie Mr. Reporter.
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Male 8,300
"The Stupidest US Senator Ever"

That`s a pretty bold claim in a field with so much close competition...

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Male 513
Obviously this guy has never worked a real job in his life.
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Male 2,506
never seen something any boreinger.
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Male 886
Thanks don11817 for correcting me instead of just calling me an idiot without explanation lol. I wasn`t really sure what I was talking about, just assuming. But I think I will still say this. The word "voluntary" that is used here might also be just to distinguish the difference between the government taking the money straight from you right away or not, even if they will when you don`t pay anyway. (Again, not sure, just throwing out some possibilities here...)
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Male 8,300
Totally voluntary, its an `Either Or` situation... EITHER you can voluntarily choose to pay your taxes, OR you can voluntarily choose to go to jail and be bummed by Big Brutus. See, it`s not like Russia... in the Western world you have a choice!
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Male 12,138
Yep, his phraseology was WAY off base. I don`t accept his phraseology either.

[quote]Hi-fives the Primester[/quote]

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Male 674
"I`m not sure if I should laugh or cry. "
Yes it was painfully funny. That senator badly needs a hard slap in the face.
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Male 2,172
It is a voluntary system because "you give your money to them" as opposed to "They take the money from you" it is as simple as that.

You are forced to pay your taxes as long as you live under a capitalism system. Taxation and money always goes hand in hand.

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Male 1,354
Don`t listen to any idiot who tells you either that the Federal Income Tax is a)voluntary or b) unconstitutional. You will go to jail if you refuse to pay income tax. The 16th Amendment allows the income tax, and nobody gives a rat`s @ss whether Ohio did it right. Just ask Wesley Snipes.
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Male 29
meant to say "if the is a punishment."
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Male 29
It isn`t voluntary is there is a punishment for not doing it. Also by the American Constitution any Income tax is illegal (except for a state level income tax), the federal government has no right to your money. I would have no problem if it were a local income tax (You know to pay for schools, road work, and the general well being of your local area). I`ve done a lot reading and research on the subject. I personally think a local income tax wouldn`t be that bad, and you could move some where else if you don`t wanna pay as much.
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Female 1,231
I`m not sure if I should laugh or cry.
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Male 86
Aero--You are probably correct that these two are technically in agreement-- they`re playing a game with vocabulary and "phraseology"--semantics. However the statement in your post about the government not taking your money is incorrect--they can and do levy your income if you owe taxes and have not entered into an agreement/payment plan with them. The IRS can take up to a certain amount off your paycheck every week. I owed $24k in back-taxes and was only making around $500 a week at the time-- they took around $375 out of my pay for a while so I got a loan to pay it off at a rate that I could handle... They don;t care if you starve to death or you lose your house-- they TAKE it... So it is NOT voluntary by any means....
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Female 15,763
Some senators are pretty dumb... I`ve been working with senators in charge of districts (and representatives) and they all seem incredibly intelligent. Maybe it`s just this guy.
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Male 1,404
Didn`t you get the memo? They changed the definition voluntary.... WTF?
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Male 886
By the way, phraseology is a word. Notice how no red line appears beneath it when you type it into the text box on this page? (I also checked the Oxford English Dictionary just to make sure, so...)
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Male 387
Same, Crabes. Same...
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Male 36
What he means is that in European countries, among others, your employer takes taxes out for you, and gives it to the government. That is forceful. Even if you wanted to, you couldn`t decide to not give it to the government. In America, you can decide if you want to pay taxes or not. But if you don`t there are penalties.
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Male 756
Harry Reid is certifiably retarded. I have liberal friends who agree with me on that point.

"People say Americans are idiots... the majority are smart, the politicians are stupid..."

Correct.

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Male 7,933
Come on guys... he doesn`t accept his phraseology
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Male 1,284
this is boring... im bored and im canadian
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Male 886
Wait, was he really an idiot? It seemed like he was just being unnecessarily technical with his terminology and the interviewer was just trying to take advantage of that, but they both seemed to be in agreement, more or less. He was just trying to explain that we do not have our taxes automatically paid by us by taking the money from our bank account or something, rather, we have to pay it ourselves more or less. I think the point is, the government won`t just take your money, even if they send you to jail I don`t think the government gets your money unless you pay it. Therefore, I suppose it is voluntary, as long as you`re willing to go to jail for not paying, where in other countries you might not even have that, still not good, option. Er, right?
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Male 146
Male 3
People say Americans are idiots... the majority are smart, the politicians are stupid...
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Male 3,668
Typical liberal rephrasing things to keep from hurting someone`s feelings.

Why do we elect idiots? Because the voters are usually uneducated idiots...

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Female 2,674
Phraseology is a word? Wah? o.o;
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Female 11
I just do not accept his phraseology.
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Male 339
stupidd
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Male 4,593
Link: The Stupidest US Senator Ever [Rate Link] - Oh God, WHY do we elect these idiots?
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