Penn Jillette Says: Legalize Marijuana

Submitted by: fancylad 8 years ago in

As the one guy who"s never smoked dope, Penn Says, stop the war on drugs now. Does he make a good argument?
There are 85 comments:
Male 5,189
"i dont see how they managed to make a plant illegal anyway"

Amen!

How many people have died from over dosing(sp?) on pot? 0.

How many people die from too much drinking? A lot!

How many people die from actually drugs? Plenty.

I could go on and on but no real point. Legal or not people can`t really do much about it.

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Male 102
he wants his right to shove things in his body, i say give it to him : )
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Male 2,172
He`s angry because he can`t smoke his weed... what a retard.

Legalisation of Cannabis/Marijuana/Ganja should be approved but not because everyone are doing it or because criminals are selling the stuff... it should be legalised because people who take narcotics to ease the pain have more chance of dying from internal bleeding then someone who smoke pot has chance of dying of cancer.

I`m against a full blown legalisation of marijuanaas because I doubt any good would come out of it but if it would be sold as a painkiller in drug stores it could solve part of the economic crisis and help people enjoy life a little bit more.

But they already got aspirins so they dont really care.

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Male 112
That being said. Legalize the poo. That way the gov. can tax it like they do tobacco. It isn`t worse than alcohol. The government will never get rid of marijuana anyway. In order for laws to be truly effective, a vast majority of the population has to be strongly against the action.
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Male 112
I don`t smoke (I would rather drink). But the few times I try weed, I was actually dissapointed by the effects. Truth is, I think being drunk is much more dangerous than being stoned. That is probably why I don`t smoke, I like spinning when I am drunk. Plus, good quality ale tastes much better than smoke.
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Male 260
stupid gordon brown.
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Male 2,582
Whoa, settle down, guy. But yea, I agree with Penn.
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Male 11
Baal, 4) It`s easier to make things illegal if they haven`t been legal first.

Weed has been legal for centuries. It`s only been illegal since 1937. Also, the war on drugs is technically against our own constitution, as we have the ammendment against prohibition.

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Male 362
seriously baal?
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Male 4,546
You`re talking about an entire order of magnitude of difference here.

"It is not unreasonable not to legalize marijuana" <-- Strongest position you can reasonably claim I`ve taken tonight.

"You want to eradicate all personality because you don`t see the point in pot" <-- Position you seem to have taken.

Yes, whether or not you should wear that blue shirt today or order pizza or chicken should be set in stone.

It`s almost as if you think "Hey I can`t have pot, guess life is over". Can you seriously not think of life in a context that doesn`t involve pot?

Are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that the only fundamental decision you can make in life is whether or not to smoke pot?

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Male 119
YES WE CANNABIS!
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Male 362
sorry baal, in case their was a misunderstanding i was arguing with you about "The whole point of free will, is that you can choose to do as you wish. If you can be so easily manipulated into doing what others wish, it`s pointless getting uppity about whether or not you`re living in a truly free society because you can`t feed yourselves poison like all the cool kids are doing these days."
where you basically say free will is pointless if people make the wrong choice.
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Male 4,546
Acthrellis.
1) You mean prohibition.
2) Depends what you mean by worked. There was less drinking.
3) The consumption in Saudi Arabia (including international estimates on illegal use) is at 5 units per year compared to the UK`s 500 units per year.
4) It`s easier to make things illegal if they haven`t been legal first.

Prohibition tried to make a hundred million users go cold turkey. It didn`t work well enough to warrant keeping the restrictions.

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Male 2,313
He makes good points.
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Male 231
i love penn.
and i dont get why weed is illegal but alcohol is legal. im pretty sure alcohol is a lot worse for you.
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Female 98
also, pot rules. Just sayin`.
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Female 98
Inhibition didn`t work in the 20`s... so they re-legalized alchohol... what makes them think that it`s gonna work now? Also, see my comment a few weeks ago: Harvard Economist on Why Pot Should be Legalized
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Female 138
I`ve tried pot, I`ve tried alcohol, ive had too much of both.
On to much alcohol I`ve tossed stuff after my bf in incredible rage, gotten naked on cam in front of strangers, made relations and sex I didn`t really want ec ec ec you know how it is.
On to much pot, I`ve eaten so I felt sick, gotten angst attacks, been unable to tell where I was, and been unable to speak.
Now... what is worst? mainly.. What is worst for other people and my future?

On a side note: I`m not to found of eighter on them, I prefer the stuff that really is bad for you.

All this silly laws and stay away from stuff that`s they can`t even say why it`s so bad, kinda makes me pretty ignorant to laws. I keep by my morals instead.

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Male 119
i dont see how they managed to make a plant illegal anyway
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Male 648
Never gonna happen, theres still too much right wing propaganda and paranoia in the US to legalize or even decriminalize weed. Foxnews would have a field day if a black president legalized weed.
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Male 4,546
Screwz:
Didn`t the exact opposite just happen? I made a point, then someone else misinterpreted what I said and called me on it.

At least he misinterpreted something I said, rather than inventing it from scratch though.

(Although I gotta say, it`s still better than being accused of "reading" "Proving my point" "Linking to wikipedia" "Using logic" and "Using facts", all said with the same vitriol and disdain you`d expect would be more warranted with accusations like "Beating starving African children with other live starving African children").

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Male 240
I think its less about freedom, and more about taking a bite of that 350 Billion dollar black market while at the same time saving billions by not spending it on a failing "war on drugs" also while easing the strain on the prison/judicial system by not flooding it with non-violent, working, tax paying criminals that the war on drugs has created. (run on ftw)
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Male 240
I think its less about freedom, and more about taking a bite of that 350 Billion dollar black market while at the same time saving billions by not spending it on a failing "war on drugs" also while easing the strain on the prison/judicial system by not flooding it with non-violent, working, tax paying criminals that the war on drugs has created. (run on ftw)
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Male 64
"Everyone is doing it therefore lets legalize it"
like that argument is going to change 100 years of illegality...
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Male 384
ignore baal... he always misses whatever point your trying to make, and tries to beat you up on some minor thing you`ve said. it`s his thing.

on a seperate note, chalk another one up, and this time, a non-smoker..... very nice... it feels like we`re closer now than anytime in my life to finally not wasting taxpayer money on this dumb poo.

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Male 177
"Legalize It"!
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Male 4,546
Although on a separate point.
If you are suggesting imprisoning people infringes on their free will and this is wrong, the same can be applied just as well to all the arguments about "freedom".

We do not care about manipulating people via several methods in order to make them conform. This is not my fault, nor is it necessarily wrong.

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Male 4,546
Sigh.

Lets walk through this.

Penn said:
"You are not living in a free country if....".

I tried to say:
"You are not living in a free country"
"Furthermore, you couldn`t live in a free country. (Murderers are not free. Rapists are not free. Etc.)"
"That is a bad argument".
"You are also not free if you can be manipulated, you can be manipulated, so why bitch about setting something on fire and inhaling it as if this one detail is the basis for all freedom. It isn`t."

You said:
"So people should only be allowed free will if they choose the "right" option?"

As up until then nobody had mentioned taking away people`s free will (the only real way would be lobotomy or hypnotism), or outlawing free will, I figured you were either:
1) Trying to twist the argument.
2) Mistaken.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt.

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Male 362
there*
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Male 362
oh wow, 180 degree turn their baal.
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Male 362
but freedom and free will aren`t the same thing.
if pot were legal, it would only be a matter of people exercising their free will on whether or not to smoke it. what you`re talking about is the fact that we currently take away their freedom if they do smoke it.
when you said "The whole point of free will, is that you can choose to do as you wish. If you can be so easily manipulated into doing what others wish, it`s pointless getting uppity about whether or not you`re living in a truly free society because you can`t feed yourselves poison like all the cool kids are doing these days. " you were talking about free will.
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Male 4,546
Personally, I`d be in favour of making it legal for medicinal purposes.

I`m neutral on its overall legalization.

I`m against legalization of:
Pot in public places.
Advertising of (almost) all forms.
Selling (or giving) to anyone under 21. (Punishable by heavy fines).
Selling (or giving) to anyone under 16. (Punishable by imprisonment).

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Male 4,546
TheBandit:

I summarized the question you posed with the meaning it implied after you misapplied mine.

I took:
"so people should only be allowed free will if they choose the "right" option?"

Changed it to:
"So people should only be allowed free[dom] if they choose the "right" option?"

In order to remove the strawman.

Then changed that to:
FREEEDOM!

Anyone reading anything below please feel free to make adequate substitutions.

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Male 362
quack_stud
irrelevant
pot can be legalized but limited to private residences. you dont have to illegalize something to avoid it in public.
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Male 362
sorry, i thought you were oversimplifying the "people should be free to do what they want as long as it doesnt infringe on the rights of others" by using the FREEEEEEEEDOOOOOOM thing.
my bad.
go ahead and try to quote me just spouting freedom without any context to harming others.
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Male 438
What about all the people who don`t want to have to breathe smoke in everywhere we go? I hate the fact that even cigarettes are legal in public places.
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Male 4,546
It is not a solid argument on its own. Not in the slightest. "so people should only be allowed freedom if they choose the "right" option?"

The answer to that is yes. You even agree with that. Your only argument is about what "right" is.

FREEEEEEDOOOOOOOM! + "People should be free to do as they please so long as they do not infringe on the rights of others"

Is a reasonable argument. It is not more reasonable for "FREEEEEEEDOM". The worth of the FREEEDOM argument is 0. It is a lie. It is not applied. It is not valid. It is not used. You do not believe it yourself. It is not possible for it to be less valid as an argument. Screaming "PIGEON!!!" is about as useful.

The only argument is in the addition. Clear?

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Male 362
1-3. but free will is inhibited when faced with other concequences that do not stem directly from the action acted upon.
4. you know you would if you could
5. i cry freedom because its a solid argument. i could also (and have) argue on economics, positions of power over pot (shady drug dealers --> shady but law abiding firms). but usually i spend my time trying to tell you (and other anti pot people) why your arguments are wrong.
(implied) 6. all of these things you list are crimes against other people, which in my opinion is the only time an act should enforced by law.
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Male 4,546
Thebandit.

1) Look up free will.
2) Obviously your degree of freedom is limited when you choose bad options. That`s why when people do bad things (Murder, theft) we limit their freedom (Prison).
3) That`s not free will.
4) I don`t give, nor take away free will. It is a fundamental part of being human.
5) My whole point is, it is a crude and maladjusted argument to cry "Freedom" like you`re goddamn Braveheart every time there is a law you don`t like.

You can make the same case for Rape, Murder, Arson, Torture, War Crimes, and so on. "So we only let people be free if they make the right choices?"

Yes. Absolutely yes. A thousand times, yes we drating do, all the drating time, and it works. Although admittedly, I`m currently in favour of opening up your nearest prison.

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Male 362
this may be hard for some people to understand, but people more often than not don`t smoke to be cool. I live in the bible belt, and all my best friends are very conservative. i caught a lot of poo when they found out that i was smoking, but eventually they realized that my life was not ruined. so now i just get the occasional "you shouldn`t smoke that poo"
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Male 362
sorry im late :P
im gonna go off on Baalthazaq just because thats what im used to doing.
"The whole point of free will, is that you can choose to do as you wish. If you can be so easily manipulated into doing what others wish, it`s pointless getting uppity about whether or not you`re living in a truly free society because you can`t feed yourselves poison like all the cool kids are doing these days. "
so people should only be allowed free will if they choose the "right" option?
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Male 115
bumbleBB,
The Drug Awareness Warning Network Annual Report, published by the US federal government contains a statistical compilation of all drug deaths which occur in the United States. According to this report, there has never been a death recorded from the use of marijuana by natural causes. Unlike opiates, barbiturates or amphetamines, there seems to be little risk from the use of large amounts of marijuana. When a person smokes too much they feel very tired and lie down. When people swallow large amounts of hashish, occasionally they get sick to their stomach.

This means that using three pounds will not result in death, I can only wonder what you mean when you say overdose. Care to elaborate?

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Female 741
" The word "ignorant" is merely a word that says you do not see the other side`s point of view because you are too obsessed with the notion of yourself always being right you cannot fathom the idea that you possibly have a wrong ideal. "Ignorant" is an ignorant word."

I was clearly pointing out they are ignorant, no matter what certain people want to believe they will not admit that marijuana can actually help a whole lot of people if legalized. I understand they want to protect children, but it`s the same with protecting them against legal alcohol. I understand some people, do not want it legalized because certain people would get less money.

I`m not using the word, and being ignorant as well.

I used the word correctly poo head, your being irrelevant.

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Male 4,546
I love weed threads.

"The government just want our money!"
"They don`t really care about our health!"

Yes indeed, the people who don`t want your money and do care about you are drug dealers.

"No, if we legalize it, it wouldn`t be drug dealers!"

No, it`d be just like the tobacco companies.

*************

You do not have the mental capacity to be free if you can be manipulated into buying a box of death by a talking frog on TV.

The whole point of free will, is that you can choose to do as you wish. If you can be so easily manipulated into doing what others wish, it`s pointless getting uppity about whether or not you`re living in a truly free society because you can`t feed yourselves poison like all the cool kids are doing these days.

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Female 1,112
Pot is not harmless, but we certainly do have far worse substances available to us... the number one culprit being tobacco. I mean here are the stats on Marijauna. It has a lot of tar in it, can cause respiratory problems, the levels THC are not controlled and increase constantly, it causes altered levels of conciousness, slows reaction times, cause fertility problems in men, cause vascular problems. Now for the upside. Slower reaction times, yes, but also cause people to be more cautious. Pain relief for individuals whose pain cannot be controlled by other means. All repiratory illness would be avoided if the pot is ingested rather than smoked. Studies show brain function lost due to pot use affects major coordinational operations such as flying a plane, and can usually be regained after a couple months of not smoking. You would have to smoke 3 pounds of weed in order to overdose, and on the otherhand everyone knows the very real affects of alcohol poisoning. Chill america!
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Female 4,028
Articulate, ain`t he?
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Male 976
"Stop being ignorant and get over it."

The word "ignorant" is merely a word that says you do not see the other side`s point of view because you are too obsessed with the notion of yourself always being right you cannot fathom the idea that you possibly have a wrong ideal. "Ignorant" is an ignorant word.

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Female 167
It should be legalized...
Because everyone does it anyway...
And crime would probably go down...
Because people stoned out of their minds don`t generally rob banks...
Or do they...?
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Dotdotdot
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Male 15,832
I have two questions that I would like to ask Clinton, Bush, and Obama.

1) Where would you be today had you been arrested for your admitted marijuana possession?

2) What do you have to say to the millions of Americans whose lives have been deliberately and systematically destroyed because they got caught doing exactly the same thing you got away with?

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Male 712
I`ve vehemently disagreed with Penn on many things and I feel that he`s misinformed about a great many things upon which he`s spoken but this one...all I have to say is...


F.U.C.K.I.N.G. A RIGHT!!!!!

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Male 221
From personal experience, alchohol is much worse than cannabis.

Worst i`ve done on alchohol:
Falling off a bike at 30mph down a hill, losing my phone, waking up in an unfamiliar house and finding my phone at a hospital 5 miles away. (That is one night)

Worst i`ve done on cannabis:
Spent more than I usually would on food and fell asleep on a chair when I meant to go home.

You do the math (I hate that saying.)

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Male 833
LEGALIZE IT DAMMIT!!!

there`s no reason not too, i dare anyone to come up with a significant one.

"I hope weed gets legalized. Then I could laugh at those stupid "Above the Influence" commercials for being wrong."

....and that is sooo true

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Female 741
Stop being ignorant and get over it.
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Male 3,431
You know, I just don`t dig the idea of "Celebrities" Selling thier bull s#it opinions on the internet. Especially in the format this video demonstrates. Get on the stage, paint your ass red and shake it monkey. I`d don`t want to hear what you think.
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Male 619
Kaagan What makes you think he has? My grandfather said he was too scared to try smoking anything. What if he`s one of the few who has the will power to resist intoxication temptaion? Besides why do you care if he hasn`t? the arguement is that it should be legalized. Honestly i`ve always been an advocator even before i smoked it.
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Male 619
I sure didn`t. Kaagan. And i laugh at the above the influence too.
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Female 340
taylor, I said in SOME ways. I`ve known some very mellow drunks, but I`ve also known some quite violent drunks. Part of that is dependent on a person`s mental chemistry and how it reacts to alcohol. In some ways, it`s similar, in other ways, alcohol is much more dangerous.

By the way, I`ve had both. Alcohol, the ONE time I got drunk, made me a giggly stumbling idiot who couldn`t see a cake right in front of her face, and cannabis, the few times I`ve smoked it, made me a giggly stumbling idiot who was craving cake.

Similar. Not same. I haven`t said that ALL the effects were similar, either. Next time, don`t jump to conclusions, k? And absolutely do NOT talk down to me again, please.

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Male 7,933
to take a page out of pmarrens book

penn=suck

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Male 130
I only support Penn`s opinions because he was in that Industrial music supergroup Pigface.
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Male 376
I hope weed gets legalized. Then I could laugh at those stupid "Above the Influence" commercials for being wrong.
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Male 1,627
he`s admitting to not know Michel Phelps till his bong incident.

does anybody else buy that?

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Male 1,627
this guy is full of poo. he know very well what a bong is! and he of course has smoked Marijuana and has experimented with other drugs. this guy makes his living with his “technical bullpoo” arguments. he`s good at it, thats why he does it, don`t listen to everything he says. This guy is so full of poo.
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Male 37
haha, Penn sounds just like Seth Rogan

I`ve never realized that before

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Female 466
P.S. work at a bar and grill. Alcohol is a hundred times worse then weed. You`ve never seen the news so and so just hacked his family to death cause he was high on pot. The most someone would do is pass out, do nothing, or eat someone out of house and home. Chemical drugs, Meth? THAT is what tax dollars should spend time and money on, getting rid of Man Made Chemicals!!! Not advocating pot use, but there are far worse problems in this country!!
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Female 466
Used to smoke the crap out of it myself. Haven`t for a very long time. Have to say sorry folks, it`ll never be legalized. Reasons:
Political officials need votes. Church groups and anti whatever out number the rest. Govt. makes a fortune from property seizures, court costs, fines etc. They ain`t gonna give that up. You can`t regulate it!!! If it`s legal, it`s legal to grow it. Why would anyone pay for what you could grow, steal from your neighbors yards. Kids would have more access to it then now. Swipe it from their parents, siblings, neighbors. Church groups are not gonna have it. People would grow Hybrid plants, we`d have Zombie`s driving on our roads. MADD groups for example would have a field day with it!!! It needs to be De-criminalized so pot heads aren`t in jail with rapists and murders. I could go on and on. This is an old subject!!! It`s not gonna happen any time soon that`s for sure, no matter who wants it legal, Cancer patients etc. POLITICS, POLITICS, POLITICS!!!!!!
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Female 1,082
i completely agree with the man. thumbs up. i think all drugs should be legal.
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Female 360
"He has basically 2 arguments:
1. Would a person be better off if they had been incarcerated after smoking dope?

The answer is no. So the conclusion is that they shouldn`t go to jail?

2. It costs a lot of money to put them in prison.

I agree. But it also costs a lot to put ANYONE in prison.

Those are some pretty terrible drating arguments."

The point he was trying to make was that you shouldn`t go to jail for something as harmless (and widely used) as weed, it`s a waste of money. Especially when a drug MUCH more harmful, alcohol, is perfectly legal. I think he made a pretty good point. I think you`re pretty f***ing ignorant.

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Male 2,440
AtomicSkier9, I`ve never smoked or had alcohol. But I guess that`s all just BS to you.
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Male 1,085
I am calling BS that he didn`t smoke pot, ever. I think he smoked it, AND still does. And he doesn`t drink?! HAH! BULL pooAKE MUSHROOMS!
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Male 2,440
Never smoked or had a drop of alcohol. : D

Our prisons are full of potheads who are costing me money and I`m sick of it. People will always want to get drunk or get high. That`s life.

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Female 7
Racoon, I mean this in a nice way, alcohol and cannabis are very different. The effects are very, very different as are the consequences to indulging in either of them. It`s hard to explain it to someone who hasn`t tried both.. but I`ll just say that cannabis is a gentle high that gets you couch locked and sedated. Alcohol is a drug that wants movement, such as dancing, friendly wrestling or running out in front of moving cars. Alcohol can kill you. Cannabis cannot. My childhood would have been a lot better without Dad`s alcohol-fueled fist. I wish he`d smoked pot instead.

Legalize Cannabis! Ban Alcohol!

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Female 340
It gets to a point where you need to really look at the line. It is in the wrong place. substances such as marijuana just aren`t dangerous. They don`t make a person a threat to anyone`s safety, provided they use it responsibly. In some ways, its effects are similar to alcohol.

If they extended the line to just make illegal the substances that will cause a person to become a threat to the safety of themselves and others, such as meth, cocaine, LSD and heroin.

Marijuana is a natural substance, and it is not one that causes people to become violent or dangerous.

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Male 2,076
and ditto madest.

I want my tank and bazooka!

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Male 2,076
When Penn said he doesn`t even know anything about drugs and substances, his argument collapsed. Sadly.

I do agree with him to an extent, but I`d like a better argument put forward to publicize and share with people ...other than him just throwing up his hands in disgust and saying "graaagh"

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Male 1,788
"He has basically 2 arguments:
1. Would a person be better off if they had been incarcerated after smoking dope?
The answer is no. So the conclusion is that they shouldn`t go to jail?

2. It costs a lot of money to put them in prison.

I agree. But it also costs a lot to put ANYONE in prison.

Those are some pretty terrible drating arguments."

You missed his biggest argument. The argument that everyone is doing it. It was his main point.

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Male 72
He has basically 2 arguments:
1. Would a person be better off if they had been incarcerated after smoking dope?

The answer is no. So the conclusion is that they shouldn`t go to jail?

2. It costs a lot of money to put them in prison.

I agree. But it also costs a lot to put ANYONE in prison.

Those are some pretty terrible drating arguments.

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Female 1,142
There are so many counter arguments to be made against smoking that crap, and allowing such a thing to take place freely.

And then you realize everyone`s doing it anyway.
So they may as well legalize it. :/

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Male 505
I`ve never smoked anything, and I totally agree. I love Penn, though. He`s the one celebrity who I think named his kid something awesome. Seriously, I want to be named Moxie Crimefighter!!
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Male 330
yes, i agree madest. even murder. WHY THE drat NOT!??? lol. but seriously, he`s on to something
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Male 3,327
He`s not "the one guy". I`ve never smoked it.
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Female 2,027
lol good ending
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Female 15,763
I`m surprised he`s never smoked it, but I agree. I don`t and I kinda find it pointless.
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Male 338
amen to that. another pointless war.
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Female 531
BRAVO!!!
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Male 20,825
Link: Penn Jillette Says: Legalize Marijuana [Rate Link] - As the one guy who`s never smoked dope, Penn Says, stop the war on drugs now. Does he make a good argument?
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