If Atheists Ruled the World

Submitted by: littlemissqt 8 years ago in

Oddly enough, all text in this video is taken directly from online Christian fundamentalist forums.
There are 389 comments:
Male 49
religulous is a great movie. One of my favorites. Probably the funniest and informative movie out there
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Female 29
If you thought this was funny in any way shape or form you should watch religulous...and agnostic is a religion miss candie........
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Male 53
I suppose I`m a Catholic...
I think Buddism seems like a nice religion. I dunno. I`ll be Agnostic: God, but no Church
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Female 72
Haha, this just strikes me funny.
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Female 260
LOL when the dude with the hat describes the atheist world it sounded pretty cool.

But anyways, I`m going to say what I always say : religion is bullpoo. I`m not going to argue on if god exists or not because I`m an agnostic. But still, the THOUGHT of religion, any religion makes me sick.

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Female 316
oh my science... it just staggers me how people can understand part of a concept and just apply it completely wrong.

to be fair, i know that not all christians are such ignorant morons and that the video only represents a small sample of the worst of them (namely, the ones on the internet). forums?! that is the worst measure of actual public opinion you can get. this should instead be a video on the insanity of internet commenters.

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Male 335
all I know is, anyone who doesn`t believe in God is obviously gay.
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Male 39
Gotta love ignorant Christians (Y)
Not that theres anything wrong with christianity. Just not for me...
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Male 4,546
(Incidentally this is assuming no greater method of charity, this is just a brief demonstration of the difference in concepts).
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Male 4,546
As a quick example of unemotional benevolence:

Say I am a millionaire, and I know how to invest money extremely well. My wealth I know for a fact will grow by 25% of the total every year. I have no cash.

I live in a country where everyone is dying of starvation. Year after year millions die. The more money I give them, the more I can save.

Emotional benevolence: Give them all your money. Now.
Unemotional benevolence: Give them not a penny, and invest that penny. Every year, until your death, you can gather a greater amount of money, and when you die, give it all away.

This provides a mathematically ideal form of charity, whilst seeming cruel. It isn`t quite cruel, it is unemotional.

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Male 4,546
Ok, Jimbob:

I don`t think anyone can know what God is in its entirety.

I classify myself as an Agnostic Sunni Muslim, and I think that is actually closer to the intent of the religion than many others propose.

"You can`t know God" is not supposed to mean just shut off your brain and follow blindly. It means try to understand, but accept that the goal is probably never within reach. Either because you cannot prove every point, or because you`re likely to make mistakes along the way.

I currently expect God to probably be:
Creator, Sentient, Non-Anthropomorphic, Eternal, Benevolent(no omni), but possibly Unemotional.

Loosely Omnipotent, but I think that term is generally misunderstood. If he is the divisor of rules, or if he can create energy (or matter), I would suggest that could be classified as omnipotence.

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Male 4,546
Warface:
That definition isn`t in Merriam-Webster/OED/Dictionary.com .

Bhuddists don`t believe in a supernatural being. (Yet religion)
People who believe in ghosts do. (Yet not).

Jimbob: GTG to work but will respond later.

Oh and as an aside, I used to know the guy who started FSTDT before he died.

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Female 713
Its serious. Go to the site fstdt.com that`s where they got all of these quotes. It`s great. Each quote links back to the post it came from.
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Male 190
So, is this serious? Or not.... this is like an Onion newscast...
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Male 27
I suppose the one thing that gets me about these sort of things is that when a certain whacked out sub-group of ANY organization is shown, in no uncertain terms, to be as whacked out as they are; no member of the larger group is willing to finger them as whack jobs just like everyone who is not in the larger group.

To try and make more sense of that: like this video shows, there are people who believe in God who have their heads up their asses. I like to point and laugh at those people. There are other people who also believe in God who are faced with two choices; they can either take offense, and create a strawman argument that I am somehow laughing at the whack jobs BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IN GOD, or they can laugh at the whack jobs with me.

It`s the people who think that the first choice is better than the second choice, who get my goat. They believe it is better because then they are *somehow* showing solidarity in their belief in God, rather than accept one of their own is nuts.

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Male 27
good to know skibi`s got my back when I don`t care enough to bite the trollbait a second time.
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Male 86
And I also think the Atheist Family representation is pretty funny.
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Male 639
Baalthazaq, I may be wrong but I get the impression that you do believe in a God but will openly admit that you`re not sure what exactly it is. I have to say for starters that if this is the case then I totally respect your religious views.

I guess to a degree I would personally perceive you as a philosopher as opposed to a religious follower as you don`t seem to limit yourself to any particular belief system (but I don`t want to get in to an argument over semantics).

However, I am curious as to what other properties you believe God does or could posses. I personally find it difficult to logically justify an argument for a God beyond `creator` which does not stumble over some sort of moral realm.

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Male 86
I thought the deoxyribonucleic acid thing was hilarious.
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Male 51
ok, yes. There are SOME stupid theologists. Yes, there are stupid religious people. But, there are also stupid atheists, stupid republicans, stupid democrats, stupid black people, stupid white people, stupid men, stupid women, stupid pro-lifers, stupid pro-choicers, stupid, fat people, stupid skinny people, etc, etc. THAT DOESN`T MEAN THAT THE VIEWS THESE PEOPLE HAVE ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF ALL CHRISTIANS OR RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALISTS! I happen to be a recently converted Catholic. Does that make me stupid? No. Many of you don`t believe in God. Do I agree with you? No. Does your belief make you stupid? No. Are you stupid? Maybe, maybe not. You cannot judge an entire group of people based on some stupid things that a few of the people in that group said... especially if the thoughts expressed were taken from an online forum, which is possibly the lowest form of human communication, second only to YouTube comments.
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Male 260
As an atheist, I hate everyone and think life is pointless and I`m going to kill myself right now.

But not until I`ve taken some of you fu*kers with me!

Hi. I`m jacobtrue13. That was a little piece I wrote back in the 70s. I think you`ll agree it timeless.

Lets go have gay sex. drat you mike.

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Male 2
the definition of Religion is the belief of a supernatural being. there fore, even if you want agnostics and atheists to be considered religions, it cant happen because it is NOT believing in a supernatural being. but yea in response to the video, hilarious. the guys they quoted are dumbasses. not to say that all of them are like that, just a lot of people are dumbpoos about these things. like the guy who said that we believe in science without even questioning it, and then proceeds to say that he doesn`t care how god did what he did, he just knows he did it. do these idiots realize what they are saying?!?
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Male 88
Oh let them have there intolerence, fundamentalists are fun to laugh at.
I found this video really funny, just because the ignorance of fundamentalist is feckin hilarios.


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Male 4,546
Jimbob:
Question 1)
I find that perfectly acceptable. I could be persuaded that was the case, but I don`t have a fixed opinion on the matter.

2) I`m an agnostic theist. I hold that god has several properties beyond being just a creator, but my interpretation of God is still somewhat malleable. I don`t think we can fully interpret God, but I don`t think that means we shouldn`t try.

3) "Would you agree that the possibility of an infinite universe is more likely than an infinite God that created an infinite or finite universe?"

I disagree here I think, but I`m not sure what you mean by an infinite God. As I`m open to several interpretations of God, one of the possibilities remains that God is actually quite simple, even if infinite in some sense (Timelessness for example is fine by me).

I find various types of God unlikely. Anthropomorphic Gods in particular I find unlikely.

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Female 295
oh man! hahaha
this video made me laugh...
...along with the battle in the comments that ensued as a result....
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Female 11
Hehe, that made me laugh. :)
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Male 63
I mnet how "MANY" thiest people
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Male 63
Baalthazaq thanks mate, its shocking how few Thiest people don`t accept Athiesism as a valid religious opinion.
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Male 63
We didn`t evolve from monkey`s.

NO ONE HAS EVER SAID THIS

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Male 198
I dont care enough about wether or not a fictional character smoked pot to look it up. And the comments in this video are really just the tip of the iceberg...
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Male 639
Baalthazaq, just a couple of quick ones...

Would you agree that morality stemmed from an evolutionary benefit of behaving altruistically?

Also, do you see your God simply as `the creator` or does he/she hold other qualities?

Would you agree that the possibility of an infinite universe is more likely than an infinite God that created an infinite or finite universe? (I`m not necessarily following the Ochams razor logic here)

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Male 15
that`s hilarious, stand up comedy gold right here!
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Male 4,546
The argument that Jesus smoked Hemp is extremely weak if this is what you`re talking about.

I can`t see anyone taking that seriously on any level...

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Male 4,546
Sorry, I never responded to Animecha.

I see where you are coming from, and as I already stated to Sprinkz, I don`t find Weak Atheism as deserving of the religion label, but I still think it applies.

There are several issues in play here:
What changes via the definition? If I call it a religion, what happens to you? What changes about your worldview? Is it less logical? Is it less correct? Why?

Furthermore, could I have a general belief in Christ, but not follow any given church? Does that mean I`m not a follower of any religion? Am I suddenly superior? Inferior?

I`m not "insulting" Atheism by suggesting it`s a religion. I am a member of a religion, so I obviously don`t think religion is a negative thing. I would not have a lesser opinion of Atheism irrespective of its grouping in the dictionary.

The problem I think is the prejudice against religion, that makes you recoil at calling it a religion.

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Female 49
Jesus smoked pot, look it up, it`s in the Bible. It`s obviously not called pot in the Bible but it`s description sounds alot like marijuana.
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Female 1,436
interesting little video
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Male 4,546
(Irrespective of whether they are right or wrong to do so).
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Male 4,546
Jim:
"Do you think it is part of the human condition to believe in a God?"

I suppose so... even if I didn`t, I think that most people do is a sign that humans have at the very least evolved to do so.

"do you think that if no holy scriptures were to have ever existed and the only ever teachings were atheistic (obviously hypothetical) the people would even consider a God as being a creator?"

Again, I think the answer is self evident... people have had religion and gods of some form for a long long time, irrespective of if you believe them or not.

I think you`re asking more along the lines of... would anyone believe if nobody ever talked about it, thought of it and expressed it to a caveman friend, etc.

Personally, I think that the two "best" options on the table are: Religion is divine. Religion evolved. Either case suggests humans would come up with a belief in god at some point.

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Male 897
@ skibi:

Agreed. You like CSI, Die Hard And video games? Be still my beating heart.. Lolz.

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Female 103
taz: Really? You were trying to guilt-trip me? I couldn`t tell... XP

Jerm: I`m telling you, our babies would be epic. XD

h0ax: You`re adorable, you really are, but you`re going to have to try just a touch harder to troll. Better-than-thou hauteur is lamer than Crazy Frog.

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Male 2
Though I do agree with ya there taz. This is a poor portrayal of christians. These guys are just trolls, just listen to why they like to start arguments rather than what they are arguing about. I do half to say that everyone stereotypes if they like it or not. We all make subconscious
judgements about people, and not to mention the people we see in the media. You can ignore these thoughts, but never the less they are still there.
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Male 12,138
[quote]im really sorry, and, thanks to skibi, i now have no self worth. thank you iab.[/quote]

*hugs tazman321 in the spirit of the IAB community, despite radically different religious views, because, dammit, he likes the guy*

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Male 2
Wow, Is it just me or does it seem that every time evolution vs creationism is brought up that both parties are wrong. Darwin never stated the theory of evolution. He stated the theory of natural selection, which means survival of the fittist, hence why polar bears live in arctic temperatures and iguanas don`t. The theory developed out of his writings by other people, also don`t use Wikipedia it`s not a credible source.

The central idea of biological evolution is that all life on Earth shares a common ancestor, just as you and your cousins share a common grandmother.

Through the process of descent with modification, the common ancestor of life on Earth gave rise to the fantastic diversity that we see documented in the fossil record and around us today. Evolution means that we`re all distant cousins: humans and oak trees, hummingbirds and whales.

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Male 12,138
almightybob1, if you`re still readin this thread, I emailed you back, twice. Maybe both emails got junked, or if you saw them maybe you don`t have the time. I assume you`re not interested? [email protected], lemme know.
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Male 189
ok skibi, im gonna stop now. im done being childish. i might have a better argument tomorrow, but right now, im out of feet to put in my mouth lol. really your comments only made mea a little sad. i was just guilt tripping you. heh. sorry. but still, this argument deviated from my point: this is a poor portrayal of christians, whether your view is right or not. i see that now, and i hope you can forgive me for acting like a little bit--i mean, a whiny person.
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Female 646
I came into this topic completely expecting these comments.
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Male 897
@ skibi:
You, my friend, are brilliant. I totally agree with the arguments you made in your three most recent posts. Our individual lack of humility, and innability to admit how flawed we All are makes humanity weak. I hate stereotypes, yet I too find myself considering them from time to time. I also completely agree with the fact that it is entirely possible for two different opinions to both be correct despite seeming at war with eachother. I stand by the Socratic philosophy that states `the only knowledge is to know that we know nothing`. In essence: No one is right, and no one is wrong; so long as we all keep thinking in the process. All angles must be considered before any one answer can be declared correct over all others. Plus, religion is a moot argument.

Being the devil`s advocate is a truly enjoyable experience. Hurray for intelligent discussion in the face of seemingly insurmountable stubborness. Some people like to argue.. We like to have discussions.

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Female 99
i hate to say this hoax demon but, uh thats kinda what the frigging internet, specifically these comments, are for.
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Male 2,510
what`s more pathetic and hilarious is a bunch of you come on here and have an argument OVER THE INTERNET.
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Female 194
...Dear sweet Jesus. Pun intended. You know, sometimes, euthanasia is a GOOD thing. You know, for the good of our gene pool.
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Female 99
jeez i hate all the people who demand proof of evolution. its been exhibited more times than a God has. Give me tangible proof that God exists and i`ll shut up.
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Female 103
OK, now I`M laughing at you.

You want to feel worthless, you go right ahead. Have fun with that.

You want to feel like I`m angry with you and picking on you, you`re welcome to it.

The truth of the matter is that I enjoy playing devil`s advocate. It`s a terrible fault of mine, but that doesn`t stop me from playing. I`m not angry with you, I just ask that you stop being childish.

But don`t worry, I`m not holding my breath.

Also, it`s not the expressing of your views that caught my interest. It`s your demands that everyone validate your own (even while they fluctuate wildly to appease the latest reasonable-sounding poster) while discounting those that aren`t covered in sugar.

Just because it makes you angry doesn`t mean it`s wrong. Just because someone else makes sense doesn`t mean you`re wrong.

It`s completely possible for two people of differing opinions to be right. It`s also completely possible for two people of differing opinions to be wrong.

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Female 1,082
whether you believe in evolution, or christianity, or the flying spaghetti monster, that was funny. i know that not all christians are like that, but those guys were idiots.
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Male 189
okay, you win. im sorry. i was quick to judge. im a horrible person. im sorry to denmarkian, cause i guess i offended you. im sorry to skibi, cause youre mad now. but what i dont get is how do i piss everyone off by expressing my views? (okay skibi, there`s another wound for you to pick at: i cuss) i guess i made an early error in my post and was trying to cover it up. im really sorry, and, thanks to skibi, i now have no self worth. thank you iab.
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Male 4,290
hipolvr: "give me one experiment done on evolution that has proven it to be true"

OK, here you go: fruit flies evolving in a lab to survive in normally lethally low levels of oxygen.

From that article: "But it serves one more example (among mountains of others) of evolution being witnessed and directed under laboratory conditions."


Happy?

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Female 103
taz: You have a stereotype that all Christians possess an inability to judge others. Exhibit A:
"we dont STEREOTYPE others."
Exhibit B: "again, christians dont stereotype."
I`m sure you`ll find those quotes familiar.
Exhibit C: Because Den mocked you, you decided he was immature and that he was making the claim that he`d never stereotyped anyone (by the way, he didn`t). You also felt he owed you an apology because he teased you, yet I noticed that you offered none of your own for your rejoinder.

This is what`s wrong with people in general. We are so quick to take offense that we don`t notice when we offer it to others. Frankly, I`m sick of the belief that one side (atheists, Christians, Mormons, Muslims, etc) is better than the others.

We all suck, but we just want others to admit it (though the thought to do the same never crosses our minds).

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Male 189
skibi:

i never pretended not to make stereotypes. i just try to avoid them whenever possible, as do most christians. and, now that i think about it, the sandwich thing was stupid. i was just thinking about turkey. back on topic, i apologize if what i said made me come off as what you described. that wasnt my intent. i just suck at explaining things in the way i intend to. in conclusion, i stereotype. everyone does. i just ignore my stereotypes.

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Female 119
wow ... that was quite possibly the most retarded human being i`ve ever heard speak XD ... the only thing he might possibly argue is that if the theory of evolution was true, morons like him would`ve been extinct by now...
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Male 1
OOOOOOH MAN..... I CANNOT SPEAK LOL >>>> CRRRAAZZZYYYYY
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Female 103
taz:

Two things. One, good luck with that apology.

Two, your example is flawed. While the latter (the atheist) was indeed a stereotype, the former (the sandwich) was more of a statistic.

Going along that line, I must protest your claim. EVERYONE makes derogatory stereotypes. Yes, even the Pope. It`s human nature. There is no denying it--atheist OR Christian. It`s easy to hide your head in the sand and whine that, "No, NO! Christians are nothing but nice and sweet and kind people!" it takes true strength of character to admit flaws.

Honestly, I`d respect someone more if they ADMITTED they had stereotypes, but chose to look past them than the ones that like to pretend they`ve never had a cross thought in their life.

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Male 189
like an apology if you log back on. thank you for listening to my side. i hope you understand now.
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Male 189
@Jerm Leather
thank you for explaining your point of view. you actually gave a point of view that, while i dont agree with it, actually made a bit of sense, unkike someone else, whose name rhymes with "themsnarkian." speaking of him, here`s a little clarification to my first post: i meant that christians dont tend to make derrogatory stereotypes, or ones with no real base. for example, here`s an example: there`s a turkey sandwich. youve had turkey sandwiches before, and they tend to be delicious, so you think, "ive had turkey before, and i think that this is going to be a tasty sandwich." and........it is. thats a good stereotype. however, here`s a nonexample: a christian meets an atheist and thinks, "this guy doesnt believe in the bible. he must be a bad person." this guy probably is a good person and doesnt deserve such a judgement. also, a little side note directed at denmarkian: your rebuttal to my comment was immature. you freakin laughed at me! id
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Female 103
Jerm, I never thought I`d hear such an eerily similar echo to my own personal beliefs.

Marry me.

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Male 15
For a Christian that guy used the word F*uck alot
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Male 363
well this video is funny :D there are sure alot of people who cant understand the funniness of the video. har har har
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Male 897
I agree with Denmarkian. Generalizations, stereotypers, and labels in general are Very harmful to one`s ability to be open minded. In my opinion religion does more to separate humanity then bring it together. Furthermore, anything that gains power through fear, manipulation and blind (i.e. unthinking) faith has the potential to be poisonous to society. I don`t actually consider myself to be atheist, just fed up with modern fundamentalism and closed mindedness in general. I believe in a higher power; just not a magical old man in the sky that watches me with contempt if I don`t make it a point to stroke its ego every second of my life. Unlike most people that cling to theological beliefs like a security blanket, I am not so arrogant as to assume that my beliefs are the only possible truth. Existence is all about discovery, and once we stop questioning we stop evolving as human beings. If any one religion was infallible, I might consider signing up. Until then, WWID.
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Male 26
And at least scientists have some evidence of Evolution. Unlike Christians who have a... book. That anyone could have written for all they know. And Christians and Atheists are each trying to get more proof for what they believe is right. Atheists getting closer: Evolution
Christians getting closer: Jesus burnt on a piece of toast.
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Male 203
Ooooh, you know what? I hate to be the one to tell this to you... but god is dead. Yeah, it happened a while ago, actually, sorry.

to quote the immortal Trent Reznor, "Your God is dead, and no one cares."

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Male 189
@Denmarkian:
look who`s stereotyping now............


in case youre a little slow, its YOU!

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Male 27
@tazman321: You don`t stereotype? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

OF COURSE YOU STEREOTYPE! The minute you believe that I am different than you because I don`t believe in the existence of God and Jesus, his only Son, you have begun to paint a picture in your head about me, and it will be based on what you THINK a non-believer is like. and what you THINK is what others have TOLD YOU to think about what a non-believer is like.

Gross generalizations about how a group of people can be expected to behave in certain situations IS STEREOTYPING.

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Female 4,225
Haha, those deaf (the Forum fundies) fools

Also, it seems that those Christians-again the real fundies, not the open minded guys...the liberally open minded who can change their opinions if they listen...willing to- understand nothing about psychology or evolution.

I just want to say that marriage is more of a universal value that has existed for centuries before Christianity, before Jesus, and before Moses...if he existed. (I like to treat the Bible as more of an exaggeration than a tale if I want to analyse it, however I have not gotten the courage to actually READ one...because of embarrasme.

If for some reaon, there WERE no religion, then at some point in time, values would still arise

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Male 897
ROFL! I loved this. Also, my atheist robes aren`t black, they are sort of a smoky grey. ;-)
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Female 529
Never underestimate the human capacity for self-delusion.
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Male 26
Just because your not Christian, doesn`t mean you f*ck hookers, you`re gay, or you smoke pot, or burn people alive. I think that the people who said this are narrow minded. And you would have killed many times without God`s guidance? That means you are sick in the head.
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Male 189
okay, wow.
this sounds like something sarah palin would say. as a christian, i have to say this is NOT what christianity is about. we dont STEREOTYPE others. i may not believe in evolution, but i dont believe in this. we show people what we believe is right, and its their choice whether they accept it. this, this is just offensive. again, christians dont stereotype. 1 star.
PS: Obama 2012. Suckaz.
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Male 505
Sarah Palin 2012!
Seconded.
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Male 639
Baalthazaq, I was merely having a laugh with splurbyburbl and so please take what I said on the chin.

Listen, your obviously a clever guy and a person who is capable of problem solving so I really don`t have any quarms with you. I was merely interested in why you have belief in a God. I know you know the arguments for and against and so it is far from my intentions to persuade you otherwise. I just personally find it extremely hard to comprehend a person of your intellect actually believing in a God. Being the man of logic and science as you are, I find it interesting as to why you believe in a God.

Do you think it is part of the human condition to believe in a God?

Also, do you think that if no holy scriptures were to have ever existed and the only ever teachings were atheistic (obviously hypothetical) the people would even consider a God as being a creator?

Once again I stress that I`m not trying to be provocative. I just value your opinion as a rational `believer`.

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Male 96
Haha. I love how he portrayed atheists at 2:10.

"Hey mom! I`m to go F*ck a hooker.. " LOL
Because people who go to church don`t, right?

As well as "I`m going to go smoke pot..."

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Female 368
die Christian!
DIEEEE!

rofl

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Male 7,378
Sarah Palin 2012!
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Male 133
Religious people that seriously believe the earth is 6000 years old makes me weep for humanity.
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Female 177
Lmao, wow. xD
The ignorance of people is troubling.
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Male 1,086
Heh..
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Female 360
Hahaha... Deoxyribonucleic acid.... I got that one. I`m glad I somewhat pay attention in biology class.
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Female 1,984
Oh, and I`m so glad this video was posted here.
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Male 147
Baalthazag, I find the whole "atheism is a religion" claim to be a stretch when by the same token absolutely any belief or philosophy that invokes debate would also need to be called a religion. People who have hobbies or come together to share ideals does not constitute a religion simply because they work together to accomplish something. Fighting for breast cancer awareness isn`t a religion for example. Call me old fashioned, but as I remember, religions exist when people feel an importance should be placed on working on getting things right spiritually and simply having a set of beliefs and coming together does not constitute a religion.
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Male 275
This is a joke, right? ....... RIGHT!? I`m not saying that Christians are idiots (I`m Christian), but these guys are dumb-asses. They are trying to bend things more than scientists.
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Male 1
That is hilarious. Of course, anything looks stupid if you speak to the most ignorant people you can find. As a Christian myself, I thank God those people don`t speak for me. I do believe in evolution, btw.
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Female 1,984
"An agnostic, is someone with a brain with the capacity to admit that they are not smart enough to comprehend the vastness of what we call the universe with certainty. Unlike theists and atheists."

All agnostics are atheist or theist.

Agnosticism is not a middle position.

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Male 4,546
And TY Fianzo... I was going to say the exact same thing... only with less competence. :P
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Male 4,546
Also consider before answering SprinkZ, in the UK, only 3% belong to a specific congregation. Consider that before arguing that atheists are not as strongly grouped.
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Male 4,546
SprinkZ, I don`t see why it`s not Dogma, especially when the same exact phrases get passed around with the same exact connotations.

They`re like internet memes.

Sky Fairy, Zombie Jesus, Problem of Evil, as well as a thousand strawmen they can easily defeat with cookie cutter arguments. People who do not understand the fundamentals of any of these concepts are using them.

Take Pascal`s Wager. If I bring it up it will be refuted (and rightly so) in seconds. If I reform it so it doesn`t apply to religion, and instead to Climate change, few even recognize it.

These are cases where they have memorized the dogma. No more.

Also, they are joined by more than you posit: List of secular groupings. This includes many things, including secular summer camp.

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Male 12,138
vv Holy Molecular Biochemistry Batman!
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Male 72
actually think how long that is almost anything is possible, from the very beginings of life to the even when procaryotic cells became compartmentalised and took up other cells to become complex machines, each event only had to happen ONCE so although each step in evolution is unlikey if you wait long enough it is inevitable.
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Male 72
will either die or be less sucessful and therefore not produce as many offspring or copies or just be outcompeted by other bacteria, however the ones that have favourable mutations, it may mean something as simple as a protein has a higher affinity for its substate. And you can say that to evolve you need to grow arms but what stops us having two sets of arms, in drosophila they can easily grow an extra set of arms instead of antennas. This is caused by one protein motor not working correctly and BAM new set of arms, a lot of complicated reactions utelise proteins and substrates from simplier pathways and you can see how they would have evolved from these in simple sets as not all variation simply goes from 0 to reaction in one step you can easily have sleeper mutations passed on as they dont have a positive or negative effect then some of these can interact. The most important thing to remember when thinking of evolution is timescale as BILLIONS of years is just a phrase but when you.
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Male 72
"Baal,the mechanisms of mutation and natural selection aid bacteria populations in becoming resistant to antibiotics. However, mutation and natural selection also result in bacteria with defective proteins that have lost their normal functions. Evolution requires a gain of functional systems for bacteria to evolve into man—functioning arms, eyeballs, and a brain, to name a few. Mutation and natural selection, thought to be the driving forces of evolution, only lead to a loss of functional systems. Therefore, antibiotic resistance of bacteria is not an example of evolution in action but rather variation within a bacterial kind."

WRONG, so very wrong, variation is the driving force of evolution so you can`t say it`s rather variation within a bacterial kind not evolution as the two are not exclusive. Now as for mutations cause loss of function, the great majority probably do in haploid cells(i.e one copy of each chromosome) less so in diploid cells. However these cells w

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Male 603
Some of my fellow Christians are crazy.
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Male 203
I think you missed the point, zombie. They aren`t lumping all christians together, just fundamentalist christians. I don`t know the exact definition, but I understand fundamentalist christians to be, basically, literalists. every word in the bible is the word of God, and therefor indisputable.

THESE are the people being made fun of. rightfully so, in my opinion. You can be a good Christian and still believe in evolution. You can be a good christian and still read and follow the bible. But when you start throwing poisonous snakes at babies because it is in the bible,(check out the documentary called "Holy Ghost People") you basically open your specific faith to criticism and ridicule.

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Male 552
These guys are lumping all christians into one biased brain damaged category. There`s a difference between a well though claim and just picking on a religion because a few choice morons decided to make rediculous claims about God and science. In my opinion they`re bringing themselves down to the same level of idiocracy as the people who made these statements in the first place.
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Male 90
lol christains say Atheists are hippocritical.
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Male 240
Faith13HF

"Define "Rule the world", please. ._."


Having a lower divorce rate...

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Male 132
That was great.
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Male 7
Baal,the mechanisms of mutation and natural selection aid bacteria populations in becoming resistant to antibiotics. However, mutation and natural selection also result in bacteria with defective proteins that have lost their normal functions. Evolution requires a gain of functional systems for bacteria to evolve into man—functioning arms, eyeballs, and a brain, to name a few. Mutation and natural selection, thought to be the driving forces of evolution, only lead to a loss of functional systems. Therefore, antibiotic resistance of bacteria is not an example of evolution in action but rather variation within a bacterial kind.
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Female 44
Freakin` hilarious!

Loved every minute of that :-D

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Female 395
i must say they are right. i frequently leave my house to burn christians at the stake in my cloak. or, you know. not. whatever. B-|
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Male 75
Define "Rule the world", please. ._.
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Male 94
"Scary isn`t it?"
Sounded delightful to me actually.
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Male 118
The acting in this was ftw- I could feel that these people thought they were right. Made me laugh.
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Male 901
Man, did that make me laugh! "Why are there gay men? Oh I wanted to watch. I wanted to watch gay men have sex."
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Male 1,455
"Agnosticism is FTW.
I really dont "reject" god like athiests usually do. I believe that any person can believe whatever they wish, as long as it doesn`t infringe upon other peoples quality of life :)"

Actually, you are by definition an agnostic atheist. Gnosticism pertains to knowledge, theism to belief. Since you don`t believe in God, you`re atheistic, but since you don`t claim to know that God doesn`t exist, you`re agnostic.

"catbarf: Couldn`t help but notice your sourcing all that from the old testament, aka old Judaism moral laws. That was a maze of laws and judgments that no one could live by today, And those are NOT Christian morals. "

Look up Matthew 5:17 and 5:18, Luke 16:17, 2 Timothy 3:16, John 10:35, and compare the regulations on slavery in 1 Peter 2:18 to those in the OT. Then please come back and try to argue that you`re not supposed to follow the OT.

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Male 1,929
The only difference fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalist Muslims is that most fundamentalists Christians speak English, and are therefore hilarious.
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Male 2,306
Baaltha,

You are so stupid it`s baffling. Atheists are not joined by anything other than a passive position. There is nothing dogmatic about it. You really are incredibly stupid and most of the time I keep my mouth shut when you`re posting around here, but I have to put my foot down. You need to stop acting like you know what you`re talking about. You perpetuate the stereotype that atheists even CARE about religion. You perpetuate the ignorant statement that atheism is a religion. And honestly I can`t just sit around letting people like you deluge their weak imaginations with your bullsh*t. You`re clearly an intelligent person, but your thoughts are based on personal experience, not on actual facts. Don`t confuse the two.

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Male 988
"This video is boring. Furthermore most of the world already is ruled by Atheists. ...or at least Agnostics. "
Agnosticism is FTW.
I really dont "reject" god like athiests usually do. I believe that any person can believe whatever they wish, as long as it doesn`t infringe upon other peoples quality of life :)
I think that as long as we drop our hatred for differences, we can live in eternal peace (however this is impossible :[ )
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Male 203
good point, spoon. I heard China`s on the up and up
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Male 203
that`s the joke Frank. *some* fundamentalists argue that the only reason humans are *at times* decent to each other is because God told us to, not because it has anything to do with creating and maintaining a stable community of individuals.

as for your second point, Rome was actually the first Christian society. they were at first "pagan," worshipping a number of specified deities, (you know, Zeus, Apollo, and all those Roman and Greek gods,) but one of their emperors (was it Constantine?) switched the whole empire into a Christian empire, which essentially put into motion the events leading to a largely Christian dominated world, thousands of years later.

Im gonna go ahead and say it, "Christianity is a thousand year fad"

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Male 1,265
You can always go to China or Russia, hyy. Heard they`re great places.
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Female 437
Why the hell would an atheist family necessarily have NO morals? Regardless of religion, society would still have evolved (like other things) along with rules and laws. Plus, the whole "killing Christians" thing has already happened. In Rome. Which, if I remember rightly, was particularly religious albeit not a Christian community. Mad creationists, most Christians don`t believe in the creation story.
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Male 203
YES. that was awesome. and I would argue your point, lazyme. what part of the world is run by atheists or agnostics? America isn`t. Would that it was, unfortunately, America is still run by Christians.
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Female 164
haha yay that was amazing :D
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Male 10,440
This video is boring. Furthermore most of the world already is ruled by Atheists. ...or at least Agnostics.
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Female 5,139
omg i missed the religious flamewar? NUAOOOOOoooooOOOOOOooooo
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Male 4,546
Hipolyr:

Take any soap that claims to kill 99% of germs.
Take germs.
Use soap on germs.

Wait for population to repopulate.
Repeat.

This basic experiment demonstrates the basics of evolution in action over short periods of time. You then extrapolate from this data (and other data), and you get evolution.

To ask anyone to prove anything outside the scope of pure mathematics is futile, but this is a strong demonstration of evolution at work. There are plenty of other examples ranging from fossil and carbon dating, to the very basic reactions that animals have, and logical interpretation of that data.

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Female 1,653
Nicely done, fundamentalists.
I may or may not see you in hell, depending on which of us is right and to what extent.
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varnsen
"Actually, science is not a belief. It is a method of acquiring truth through thorough experiments and logic."
give me one experiment done on evolution that has proven it to be true
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Male 4,546
Perfection:
I read everything... I think several of my screws are a little undone.
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Male 1,788
I was going to comment on the nature of this video, and then I saw that there were 265 comments already
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Male 4,546
I agree Varnsen, Science is an epistemology you can either agree with, or not. Not a belief.

However, I disagree that Religion is taking an abstract theory and that is it. Religions die and morph, in a very abstract form you could call it knowledge by evolution at the very least.

Another way of looking at it however if you know your programming is DFS vs BFS. With religion being the depth first search.

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Female 965
Heh :D
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Male 36
`"Belief in science is just as much a belief as Christianity is. Which means it`s just as good as any other Religion..."

Actually, science is not a belief. It is a method of acquiring truth through thorough experiments and logic. It is the theories that you can choose to believe in or not. I choose to believe the most proven theories because they are far more sensible than any religion.`


I agree. Scientific method isn`t a `thing` to be believed in or not. It`s a means to obtaining truth. It goes like this:

1. Create an abstract theory to explain phenomena.
2. Experiment/research to gather evidence to support or negate this theory.
3. If no evidence is found, modify the theory.
4. Repeat ad infinitum until truth is found.

Religion is simply taking the first step (create an abstract theory), without worrying whether it`s true or not.

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Male 4,546
Text speak, the language used in text messaging.

Lol c u 2 nite.

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Female 2,027
lmao
oh silly people
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Male 533
Am I the only one who noticed the fact that there IS no text in this video? I know what they mean, but still...
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Male 2,229
What is `Txtspk`?
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Male 36
Hilarious! Oh wait, they`re real-life comments from Christians? Scary!
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Male 2,229
yeah, but lukas this relieves boredom, that some have more than others
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Female 495
"I think debating on a comment board is pathetic. Whether you win or lose, in real life you still lose".

Because learning about views different from your own, or discussing issues which you find interesting is a waste of time? Now don`t worry I`m not trying to start a debate with you here!

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Male 4,546
Oh yeah, well Atheists are just proponents of Txtspk!

A the is t.

A "the" is NOT t! I refuse to remain silent!

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Male 2,229
I was raised to believe that fear is the cause of pain, ignorance, and suffering. Which I have observed is perpetrated by many a religious leader. So fear is never truly a `good thing`.
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Male 3,425
I think debating on a comment board is pathetic. Whether you win or lose, in real life you still lose.

I love how any video about religion or politics gets hundreds of comments, mostly from the same people "debating" with each other.

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Male 2,229
fundamentalist= fun to be mental is t

lol

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Male 2,229
wow, are fundamentalists really this stupid?
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Female 495
CrakrJak- I happen to agree with you that it is being used and exaggerated as a tool to motivate people. I just don`t think that is a bad thing. I also believe that we are making it worse (but neither of us wants to discuss that!!)

Baalth- You are right, it wasn`t fair. I am not saying that it is a religious matter as such. But what I meant to do was show that sometimes certain religious groups - through their lack of fear, or through their trust in God`s will - can possibly become unmotivated and apathetic.

Of course, I dont mean to say that is true of religious people across the board; or not true of atheists. Merely, a healthy `fear` or worry about something can be a good thing.

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Male 51
There are bound to be some christians on here who see the movie and go like YEAHHHH TRUE DAT?!?!?!!!!
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Male 4,546
There`s a lot of personal experience I`m drawing on here, which is why I don`t generally use it in debate. Personal experience is not necessarily an argument anyone but you should accept.

I did have more exposure to Christianity.
My reasoning behind picking Islam was because after some exposure to Christianity I found myself saying "Ok, this makes sense, but this here does not".

When I found out more about Islam I then realised that my belief structure had more in common with Islam than with Christianity. (Belief in God, without the belief in a Trinity for example. Belief in Christ, but not the belief he was the son of God, nor God.)

Essentially, I was virtually a Muslim before I heard of Islam, and that made me come to the conclusion that it was a sign that it was in part correct.

I mostly hold that Islam is effectively the most accurate religion. Though still imperfect.

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Male 1,623
"Belief in science is just as much a belief as Christianity is. Which means it`s just as good as any other Religion..."

Actually, science is not a belief. It is a method of acquiring truth through thorough experiments and logic. It is the theories that you can choose to believe in or not. I choose to believe the most proven theories because they are far more sensible than any religion.

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Male 4,290
Baal: "I simply find it more reasonable. I`m *that* boring."

Fair enough.
What made you pick Islam in particular then? What made it more reasonable than any other religion?

I`m genuinely curious, because as you said, you were raised in the UK, so I`d have thought you would have had most exposure to Christianity.

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It sounds great! I can`t wait.
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Male 339
Ugh.
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Male 144
Congrats Little Miss "QT"...you`ve caused yet another stupid debate by stupid people over a topic that will never get resolved.

I would just like to announce to IAB, I HAVE TAKEN RAPTOR JESUS AS MY LORD. I encourage you all to do the same, before its to late.

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Female 25
"I can sum it up in 3 words: evolution is a lie!" way to go XD math fail! lmao
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Male 4,546
Crakr:
"Baalthazaq: Those things, come from our constitution. And yes, Most American Christians hold that document as nearly sacred as the Bible."

I know, and I agree, but I think that`s a problem. Separation of church and state was meant for two reasons. To protect the state, but also to protect religion.

I think in America right now, you are hurting Christianity by applying so much of your politics and pulling it into the religious field.

Irrespective of your personal beliefs on gun control, or climate change, I think you are doing a disservice to God by tying them with religion.

Having said that, you did say it had nothing to do with religion, and I commend you on that, but your comment to me does suggest a certain amount of pride in linking the two. Unfairly on behalf on non-American Christians.

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Male 4,546
Jimbob, my parents didn`t teach me there was one.
MY mother is agnostic. My father was absent throughout my formative years. (He worked in Dubai, while my Mother was in the UK with me and her family).

So I think I can safely answer that question with a yes. I started out life agnostic, like my mother.

Also Jimbob: Please show me where in the Bible, the reference to DNA melting you is. Thanks.

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Male 2,796
Jimbob... dude, I see that you are not wearing your flame-shield. Because I am wearing mine, whatever you say really just doesn`t matter... It is therefore proof, that I am right and you are most definitely wrong on this particular matter and any matter that comes along in the future. Unless of course you choose to get your own flame-shield which I will be happy to sell to you at a mark up of 200%. Offer lasts for the next ten minutes in which case after ten minutes the price goes up and extra 15% per minute thereafter.

I think I cleared this matter up nicely, now moving on...

:)

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Male 639
splurbyburbl, again I disagree (because your doing a good job trying to resolve this ridiculous on going debate and it is in my nature to be... well... annoying).

But seriously though, you are assuming that there is a `worst` opinion within a demographic which will be used as a method of deterring others from this demographic. However, fundamentalism does not allow for best and worst opinions as all opinions will be directly extracted from the exact wording of the bible. This doesn`t allow much room for a "worst" percent of that demographic.

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Male 177
Also, this is not directed towards Agnostics too, rite?
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Male 177
And this, my children, is how wars are started.
and on a similar note, I am staying away from this discussion.
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Male 26
The DNA part made me laugh with pleasure.
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Male 274
its just as easy for god (that supreme being) to have created earth with all those characteristics to lure us mere humans to think its billions years old...

if you accept that hes allknowing and capable of doing anything, he could have created earth 20 years ago and made an entire history behind it so we living now would perceive the world as older...

you gotta understand that faith is the keyword.

i am catholic, 95% of the 188million people in Brazil are christians, and no one teaches creationism in our schools.

i accept the theory of evolucionism in a way and that does not affect my faith in God and in Jesus whatsoever.

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Male 232
Did anyone else get reminded of Zoolander by that last dude?
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Male 2,796
"splurbyburbl, actually I disagree. I don`t think that most Christians hold the views represented in the video, but many fundamentalist Christians will. If you are going to take the bible as word for word truth then your beliefs are going to be ridiculous."

Just when I think I managed to say something that was pretty well-balanced, someone has to go and pick it all apart.

Let me be more clear then. If any video were to come out depicting any culture (micro or macro), sub-culture, demographic, club, group, cult, forum or otherwise, in a derogatory manner... it would probably mean (such as in this case) that the creator is purposefully taking the "worst" of that demogrphic so as to show how dumb the entire demographic is. In so doing would be creating a fallacy or in other words... propaganda so to speak. There are different degrees of Fundamentalist Christians wether it makes sense or not.

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Female 71
(Free to ignore my last two sentences, that`s just my personal overview, I know, it`s disputable)

Didn`t read the comments, sorry, if I repeated someone`s thoughts.

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Female 71
I`m not going to discuss every single quote used in the video, just a few notes. First, I hate all this "fear leads to moral behaviour" thing because it is just not true - from any point of view, including materialistic one; and I especially hate to hear it coming from so-called Christians for, so to say, hell-based motivation is not even medieval, it`s Old Testament, okay? Christianity is about love, and following commandments must result from love and trust, not fear - the latter is a slave`s stimulus.
Second, it was sad to hear another flow of paranoiac absurd about people turning to absolute evil instantly after rejecting God, persecution of Christians etc. If that`s the way most religious American people reason these days I`m not surprised the society on whole seems to be tired of religion. Gosh, get all secular, please, this is just the right epoch! So the next time Christianity returns (if it does), it will be accepted by those who need it sanely and properly.
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splurbyburbl, actually I disagree. I don`t think that most Christians hold the views represented in the video, but many fundamentalist Christians will. If you are going to take the bible as word for word truth then your beliefs are going to be ridiculous.
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Male 2,796
Before I say the following, just so everyone understands that I am an Atheist and think most religious stuff is pretty ridiculous.

With that said, this is a very funny video that proves absolutely nothing. It would be exactly the same if a Christian made a video depicting some of the dumb, uneducated things that *some Atheists say.

Can you imagine if I made a video with people articulating word-for-word some of the stupid crap that some people say on IAB? It would not mean that all IAB people are ridiculous.

This video proves absolutely nothing which would probably mean you`re wasting all your collective breaths by arguing about it. But, by all means let`s keep flaming.

-Dons black robes, wizard hat and flame-shield.

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Male 274
its just as easy for god (that supreme being) to have created earth with all those characteristics to lure us mere humans to think its billions years old...

if you accept that hes allknowing and capable of doing anything, he could have created earth 20 years ago and made an entire history behind it so we living now would perceive the world as older...

you gotta understand that faith is the keyword.

i am catholic, 95% of the 188million people in Brazil are christians, and no one teaches creationism in our schools.

i accept the theory of evolucionism in a way and that does not affect my faith in God and in Jesus whatsoever.

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Male 422
Belief in science is just as much a belief as Christianity is. Which means it`s just as good as any other Religion...

That`s why I am a proud evoultionloving leftwing socialist hellgoing Atheist :)

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Female 27
This is a really touchy subject...

In all honesty I think we all have our beliefs, and some people choose not to believe in anything, and it shouldn`t be up to anyone to judge them.
After all, doesn`t Jesus teach us in the Bible to not judge, and to "love one another, as I have loved you."

Food for thought.
Evolution ftw :D

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Male 17,512
Baalthazaq: Those things, come from our constitution. And yes, Most American Christians hold that document as nearly sacred as the Bible.
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Male 639
Baalthazaq, do you mind me asking you whether you think you would have believed in a God if your parents hadn`t taught you there was one?
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Male 4,546
Sarah:
I don`t think it`s fair to rest your case on climate change with Crakr`s dislike of Climate Change science.

I happen to disagree with him on the matter, however, I think that is an American problem, not a theist or Christian one.

You have to take into consideration that in the US, the Republicans are the "religious party", so Christians have a tendency to side with them. as such, a lot of Republican ideals have found their way into American Christianity.

The only advocate I know of the Right to own Guns in the UK is an Atheist, all Christians I know are against it. Would you agree that is the case, and that the opposite is somewhat true of the United States?

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Male 561
Religion is simply a moral compass to help to guide SOME people through life. If it helps them deal with everyday issues in a manner that does not interfere with others, then good for them. If I prefer to exercise the right to not subscribe to their point of view, that is the path which I have chosen. So be it.

See, it`s that easy.

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Male 17,512
SarahJ86: I believe the whole issue of climate change is an attempt to motivate people through fear. As I`ve said before, That is not a good motivation.

Fear is used as a way to control people, They become griped by it and can`t let it go. It makes them do things that violate their own morals. It can be as hard to break as a drug habit.

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Female 112
This can`t be serious. Lol.

"Let me sum it up in three words! Evolution(1) is(2) a(3) lie(4)"

I`m pretty sure they`re trying to parody real creationists. :P

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Male 17,512
makkaal: Maybe some people do believe through fear, I believe (and the bible backs it up) that fear is the wrong motivation. Faith, Love And Hope is what Christianity is all about.

1st Corinthians 13

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Female 495
"SarahJ86: Please don`t get me on the subject of "climate change". I can cite many scientific reasons why it`s not linked to CO2 or mankind, If it exists at all...has nothing to do with religion".

I rest my case. You say it has nothing to do with religion, but it seems to be the Christian scientists who are the ones making the theories/arguments and finding the stats to support that case. I won`t get you started on it. I understand its a pointless argument to get in to.

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Male 123
"Christians love God, But not out of fear. Fear kills hope and love. Does that make sense to you?"

To me it doesn`t, TBH, because the key ingredient to Christian faith, (I`m leaving out forgiveness and altruism on purpose to make a point) is fear of punishment, namely Hell. There are fewer people who follow the 10 Commandments out of love than those who abide by them because they will experience hell if they don`t.
I`m sorry, but I`ve met too many Christians to believe your claim that they love God not out of fear.
I`m not saying what you say fundamentally untrue, but you shouldn`t generalize.

And I don`t get why you`d think that Atheists are afraid. If we were, we would most likely be Theists to find comfort in faith. Nobody with a healthy mind would freely choose fear over comfort.
"No fear of death, Only Hope."
Good word. There is no reason to be afraid of death, however the idea of eternal life actually repels me. What would I want that for? I ha

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Male 506
Can someone explain why they look so smug?
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Male 17,512
SarahJ86: "Perhaps it is good to have a certain amount of fear. It keeps people striving to improve things."

I find it preferable to do things out of Faith Hope and Love, Not Fear.

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Let me also add... I`m not certain there`s a God. I do believe there is one.

I don`t think people understand that either. "How can you be sure?!". I`m not. I`m also not sure if I`ll be coming to the UK this year, but I can believe, reasonably, that I will out of what I know.

I do not need to prove it conclusively to choose that over the concept that I won`t go to the UK this year.

I can`t really prove it to anyone in here "beyond any reasonable doubt!" because there is some. That doesn`t negate it being a reasonable conclusion.

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SarahJ86: Please don`t get me on the subject of "climate change". I can cite many scientific reasons why it`s not linked to CO2 or mankind, If it exists at all.

It has nothing to do with religion.

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Male 21
I don`t think I could have woken up to a better video.

A girl in my high school once spazzed in some class because she didn`t believe that space exists. Doesn`t believe in dinosaurs, either. It`s very far-fetched, but she boiled it all down to her steadfast belief in god.

Religious debate isn`t really my deal, but this video does make some points. It`s strange, though. Most of the extremely smart guys I know are athiest. The problem is that they are also christian-bashers. I agree with them completely, but there`s no reason they can`t have their beliefs without imposing on another`s. As much as they complain about persecution, they are engaging in it just as harshly.

When I hear someone make a comment like in this video, I simply smile and say, "Oh, you."

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Let me just add... saying as the debate has turned more introspective all of a sudden. One of the biggest problems for Atheists trying to convert me while I was more involved in my debates, was their inability to get my psychology.

I didn`t have a psychological need for God.
I was not afraid of disappearing.
I was not afraid of hell.
I was not chasing heaven.

Every time an atheist tried to psychoanalyze me, whether derogatorily (You`re just afraid! You can`t handle the truth!), or somewhat positively (Perhaps you`re just optimistic and would prefer a heaven?), they were universally off the mark.

I simply find it more reasonable. I`m *that* boring.

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Gasser: No, How did you get "you are afraid of atheists because you think they are afraid of random events" Out of what I said ?

I don`t fear anyone or anything, That doesn`t mean I can`t be surprised or startled however.
Christians love God, But not out of fear. Fear kills hope and love. Does that make sense to you ?

Megido: And it`s not a cover up.

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Male 4,546
Megido:
I`m not talking about a Multiverse, I`m talking effectively about a Cyclic Model of the Universe like the one posited by Einstein in the 1930s.

Again however, you`re adding things to God and then refuting them.

Created the universe from nothing.
"From nothing" has been added. It is not necessary.

Other than that, you can make arguments that:
Omniscience is possible, assuming there is a finite number of things to be known.
Universe creation is also potentially possible.

Finally, as for a "natural God" to be unimpressive, I don`t see why.

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Female 495
CrakrJak - i think maybe that is a generalisation, i certainly wouldn`t agree about the fear of a random event. However, I can understand that by a certain logic religious people would certainly have no fear because of the will of god. So i can see where you would get that from.

That lack of fear is dangerous, i feel. It is healthy to have a fear. Take climate change for example. It seems that religions (i have only looked at Islam and some Christian (evangelical) churches on this issue - have an un-healthy lack of concern for climate change. It either is not happening, or it is the will of God and so we should not try to counter it. Views like that could ultimately prove devastating.

Perhaps it is good to have a certain amount of fear. It keeps people striving to improve things.

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Male 134
how feckin stupid and gullible does one have to be to believe in a god/gods or other magic people/beings.
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Male 439
"Modern Jews do not enact those laws, Although some extremist Islamists do."
Further proving that some source outside of religion tells us what is right and wrong :P
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Male 17,512
catbarf: Couldn`t help but notice your sourcing all that from the old testament, aka old Judaism moral laws. That was a maze of laws and judgments that no one could live by today, And those are NOT Christian morals.

Modern Jews do not enact those laws, Although some extremist Islamists do.

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Male 22
I`m not sure I understand you, you are afraid of atheists because you think they are afraid of random events?

Personally I have no fear of random events as I have no control over them. The lovely old phrases, poo happens, and if it can go wrong it will go wrong. Oh and I`m not actually afraid of death, of dying perhaps but death certainly not.

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Male 439
"The fear I stated about atheists was their fear of some random event ruining them, For believers there are no random coincidences because of their faith. No fear of death, Only Hope."
We could look at it in another way too; believers are the ones that are afraid and therefore try to cover the fear with a belief in some godly big brother looking out for them.
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SarahJ86: I`m not saying that atheists have no morals, That would be a very rare case (Some do exist however).

What I`m condensing down is what Gasser just wrote, Although I specified religion not Christianity. As well well know Christianity and Islam both are sourced from Judaism with differing revisions.

The fear I stated about atheists was their fear of some random event ruining them, For believers there are no random coincidences because of their faith. No fear of death, Only Hope.

Yoda was right, Fear leads to anger, Anger to hate, Hate to suffering. And I`d add... Suffering leads to death.

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Male 439
"In more layman terms, Don`t make unfair laws or punishments."
Perhaps that rule should be applied to God as well.
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Male 1,455
This was taken from FSTDT, a great website.

On another note, we don`t follow Christian morals. If we did, we`d execute children who disrespect or hit their parents (Exo 21:15, Lev 20:9), girls who aren`t virgins on their wedding night (Deut 22:20), and all the inhabitants of a town in which one person worships another god (Deut 13:12).

I would much prefer that people base morals off of social responsbilities rather than `Don`t do it because God says so.`

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Male 134
lol. religious people are stupid
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Male 17,512
Megido: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.." Also, Luke 6:37,38

Basically, Don`t judge or punish people, Unless you are willing to be judged by the same standard and receive the same punishment if you fail.

In more layman terms, Don`t make unfair laws or punishments.

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Male 22
CrakrJak, your right, morals in the world are heavily influenced by the structure of the society we live in. Christianity has had a big influence in the western world and thus we are all influenced in our beliefs of right and wrong by Christian teachings. However, to say that this is the only source, and that this source is concrete in every way is to be quite frank silly. What were, for example, the moral codes BC. They still existed, people thought that killing was wrong, Christianity just codified morality which already existed.

Also you say that you do not do things because of fear of punishment, but assume that without that fear atheists will immediately believe that killing is right? Please explain this further as I would like to hear your opinion on why you feel non-Christians are more likely to be immoral.

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Male 439
Bazlthazaq: A god with no supernatural properties is not much of a god though. With the supernatural element gone he is just a product of the laws of physics and as such couldn`t have created the universe out of nothing. For such a god to even exist i think you`d have to accept some sort of multiverse. But then again this is all based on what i currently know, perhaps we`ll discover how matter was/is created in the future.

As always i fall back to the argument that a complex being like god can`t be the origin, it`s way too unlikely. Even given the infinite amount of tries it doesn`t matter because if there is something to try it in then God isn`t the creator because there was something there to create him to begin with.

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... society.

However, I can`t help but feel that if an athiest has good morals and principles, then maybe it is worth more than if the same morals are held by Christians? I choose to live this way, knowing (or feeling) that there would be no negative consequences if I didn`t. Christians know there would be.

Maybe..

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Female 495
"As an atheist you can do no wrong. You can suppress your guilt and redefine your morals, As it stands right now. No matter what you do, You can justify it through whatever means."

Sorry if i`m taking this out of context as I have just jumped into your convo, but i completely disagree.

I agree in the sense that atheists can redefine their morals, pretty much as they see fit if they wanted to. However, to me there is something special about the morality held by athiests.

I have very strong morals. I have no reason to hold them or act on them other than for the very reason that I think they are right and good. I do not act on them because I feel that God tells me I must, or to ensure I get a spot in heaven. The intent behind my actions are purely to be `good` to people. Not out of fear of God.

Now, of course you could argue that God plays a part. You could argue im born with these inherent beliefs (because God put them there), or because I learned them from Christian...

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Male 439
"I didn`t call you that specifically, I said "As we all are"

Also, I didn`t say you have "no sense of morals or ethics". I believe you do have some sense of morals and ethics, But that you can, And probably have, Chang(ed) them to fit your own view.

Was merely stating, My belief, That no amount of evidence would sway you."

If you could prove to me that God exists, and i mean proof, not just some rhetoric or gaps in science, i`d have no reason to doubt. Also you don`t follow the bible 100% either, you pick and choose what bits are morally upright and you choose not to throw rocks at people who work on sundays, even though the old testament clearly says you should.

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Male 4,546
Megido:
You`re assuming supernatural, which is not necessarily a description of God.

You`re assuming Omnipotence and Omniscience, which, whilst common in theology, may be redefined or ignored. (Some theology suggests "Maximum power", some "Infinite Power", some "Can do anything". Those are three entirely different concepts.)

Can humanity have ever created something capable of becoming, from dictionary.com: God 1. The one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe.

The only real change I`m making is I`m saying *a* universe, not *the* universe for the purposes of this discussion. (I.e. We assume God comes from a previous Universe prior to ours).

As I said before, I don`t agree with all of the above. I`m merely trying to condense something far more complex into <900 characters.

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Male 17,512
Baalthazaq:

That could go full circle with these additions:

__Mathematicians___<__Philosophers__<__Sociologists

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Male 17,512
Megido: "Yes oh wise one, youa re right, i`m a dirty sinner with no sense of morals or ethics. Honestly, gtfo, your reasoning is so flawed it`s not even funny anymore."

I didn`t call you that specifically, I said "As we all are"

Also, I didn`t say you have "no sense of morals or ethics". I believe you do have some sense of morals and ethics, But that you can, And probably have, Chang(ed) them to fit your own view.

Was merely stating, My belief, That no amount of evidence would sway you.

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Male 4,546
Purer sciences? Hey I was doing some math earlier. Does that mean I win?

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Male 439
"If God was here right now and told you that you were a sinner (As we all are), I still doubt you would admit it.

As an atheist you can do no wrong. You can suppress your guilt and redefine your morals, As it stands right now. No matter what you do, You can justify it through whatever means."

Yes oh wise one, youa re right, i`m a dirty sinner with no sense of morals or ethics. Honestly, gtfo, your reasoning is so flawed it`s not even funny anymore.

"Given no time restraints, what is the probability of God evolving? Mechanically, Biologically or Physically? Could humanity ever create something "godly"?"
The probability of god evolving is zero because something super natural couldn`t possibly be a product of the laws of physics. Humanity might get to the point where technology would make it seem godlike to a person today, but actually attaining omnipotence and omniscience...nope, not gonna happen ever i think. No matter how long evolution goes on i

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Male 29
I know the video was supposed to be funny but I don`t find Christians as stupid so I didn`t find this video to be funny since I don`t know anyone who is that stupid... I mean come on, "I can sum it up in 3 words, `evolution is a lie!`" who says that?
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Male 650
Apparently biology is the only thing being argued
Nobody dares to touch the purer sciences..
(lol LHC)
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Male 94
what th hell is this drating poo?

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Male 17,512
Gasser: "These are socially rooted morals which I have."

Again, They are "socially rooted" because of religion and therefore you too are following religious beliefs, Regardless.

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Male 4,546
BTW, I`m liking today`s mix of angry posters and thoughtful ones.

Also Perigee: I agree, but that doesn`t mean you haven`t become a religion. Scientology was set up by Hubbard because he saw other religions and wanted in. It wasn`t a "real" religion in that regard, but it has become one.

Some people might suggest Mohammed(p) copied Christianity and Judaism, but it is still a religion irrespective of it`s origins. Whether invented, ordained by God, or plagiarized.

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Male 17,512
Gasser: I do things based on Matthew 25:40, Matthew 7:12, Matthew 5:3-12. Not because of fear of punishment.
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Male 6
What does anyone have to gain by even winning this age old argument one way or another?

Do we just want to be at the forefront of someone else`s attention? To be right? To be the winner? Claim to fight to defend your religion or non religion, but you are still just feeding the frenzy. As would I be...

If you are agnostic, atheist, christian, or any type of religion or non religion, organized or not, what in the world do you get for your troubles?

I think the REAL ignorance, your ignorance and mine, is that we fail in all religions and non religions to embrace our fellow man and woman, and move forward as a species. The most unfortunate thing is that it`s only human nature to do so, whether granted by a god or our own minds.

Some of us have taken steps to be the best we can be, some of us have not. And so shall it always be, until the end of time.

I am an atheist, but I bear you no ill will, regardless of your beliefs. I can only hope you embrace me nonetheless.

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Male 4,546
Proof gives a 100% certainty of a result. It becomes a fact.

Evidence gives other levels of certainty.
Personal experience is one thing, but you can assign probabilities to certain events outside the scope of personal experience.

Think of it another way, given an infinite amount of time, what is the effective level of evolution of any given thing?

Given no time restraints, what is the probability of God evolving? Mechanically, Biologically or Physically? Could humanity ever create something "godly"?

If yes to any one of those, and given an infinitely repeating non-static universe, it becomes likely that the event has occurred if the event has any chance at all.

It furthermore follows that individual "Big Bangs" could be influenced by such a being, and if it wanted to, would.

This is not my favourite view of God, but a possible one, and not particularly low on the probability scale.

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Male 22
CrakrJak, your being very naive, suggesting that only those who believe in god believe in right and wrong. Well personally I`m agnostic rather than atheist. I do believe however that some things are naturally wrong, I believe murder, rape and generally being mean to those around you are simply wrong. These are socially rooted morals which I have. Just because I do not believe a deity has come down and given me rules to follow, does not mean I do not believe society has rules!
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Male 13
"god" is not real. Get over it! It`s just a hokey religion made up by some guys on some good drugs a long time ago to keep people from doing imoral things. end of story.
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Male 17,512
Megido: "If the existence of God is even proven i`ll be happy to admit it, but as far as i`m concerned there is no such thing as proof right now."

If God was here right now and told you that you were a sinner (As we all are), I still doubt you would admit it.

As an atheist you can do no wrong. You can suppress your guilt and redefine your morals, As it stands right now. No matter what you do, You can justify it through whatever means.

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Male 22
Actually I believe that lions only eat cubs when a new male forcibly takes over the pack, thus eating the cubs eliminates any potential rivals to their dominance. He would then mate with all the females to ensure that any new cubs are his. Thus that example does not fit as the lion would not normally eat his own cub. Chimpanzees though I`m not so sure of.
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Male 439
"placing a probability on God is entirely subjective."
There is nothing but personal experience pointing to gods existence, that`s enough for me to think that until we get some better evidence for such an existence agnosticism or atheism is the best stance. If the existence of God is even proven i`ll be happy to admit it, but as far as i`m concerned there is no such thing as proof right now.
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Male 4,546
Theism, for me:
I believe a closed, but flawed, system of belief, is more correct than an open but incomplete system.

I (subjectively) find the probability of their being a God to be greater than the probability of their not being a God.

I would suggest order, the fact that the universe has rules, not that it obeys them, to be demonstrative of a creator. (In other words, Conway`s Game of Life demonstrates complexity is derived from simplicity. Conway himself however, is a demonstration of what a creator does.)

Finally, I find the faith required to believe in God, to be equivalent to any inductive leap.

(Despite what Megido may suggest, placing a probability on God is entirely subjective. Him suggesting it is improbable, merely demonstrates closed mindedness. You`d have to know what God is before knowing the chances of him existing. Anyone who claims to know this, theist or atheist, is lying).

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Male 17,512
Megido: Your claim was "A pack of animals/humans have a much better chance of survival than a single animal/human and thus it is beneficial to be nice to each other."

But, There are many many species of solitary animals, Exceptions made during times of mating.

Lions eat their own cubs, Chimpanzees kill their own siblings, etc..

If your trying to base your morality on animals, You fail.

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Male 439
"I believe in logic, not fairy tales which defy observable measurable laws of physics."

You do realize that a God springing into existence from nothing is by far more unlikely than matter just appearing out of nothing, right? A being like God would be insanely complex yet it`s more likely that such a complex entity would materialize and create the universe? God is the ultimate aggrevator of the infinite regress and defies all logic and physics. There are plenty of fossils to look at, religious people just have a tendency to look at the specific cases where science is lacking. Besides, carbon dating is able to determine age far older than 6000 years.

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Male 8,302
> Gn0m3
> Lol, funny video, funnier comments

Yep, that`s what IAB is all about. The people who visit IAB who don`t take part in the forums, miss out on the absolute best part of the site. A few interesting facts for you all:

IAB has roughly 750,000 page views per day, but only about 7,000 members. That`s a lot of people who are missing out on the community side of things.

The highest number of posts from one user (that I`ve ever seen) is around 43,000.

There are now 11 mods, spread out over time zones.

We love our community so much, whenever a member stops posting, we usually notice it (Verily, not one sparrow falls to the ground without Him knowing it :-) )

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Male 439
"Wrong, Murder among many animal family groups does happen. In fact evolutionists believe that behavior is part of natural selection."

You know that`s not what i meant. Pack animals have in-groups because it`s beneficial to them, not because god told them to, and it`s the same with humans. A pack of humans have a much better chance of survival than a single human and thus it is beneficial to be nice to each other.

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Male 8,302
> insanmonster
> Enough about atheism, I would like to hear what and why theists believe what they do

I believe in logic, not fairy tales which defy observable measurable laws of physics. When someone says to me "the entire universe was created instantly, out of nothing, in a big explosion", my scepticism kicks in and says " that`s impossible, you must have strong faith to believe that". When people say a rock is a billion years old, when no object on earth can be observably, reliably dated at more than the 6,000 or so years of written history and science, I find that laughable. When someone says "man evolved from this" and all the bones ever dug up are either Step A or Step Z, and no-one ever digs up any bones in between even though logically they must make up 99.9999% of fossils, I find that unlikely. Logically, for something to exist, there must be a creator of that object. Hence I believe in God.

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Male 17,512
I don`t usually quote movies, But this is one of the best ever.

People break down into two groups. When they experience something lucky, group one sees it as more than luck, more than coincidence. They see it as a sign, evidence, that there is someone up there, watching out for them. Group two sees it as just pure luck. Just a happy turn of chance... deep down, they feel that whatever happens, they`re on their own. And that fills them with fear... But there`s a whole lot of people in group number one... deep down, they feel that whatever`s going to happen, there will be someone there to help them. And that fills them with hope... What kind of person are you? Are you the kind that sees signs & miracles? Or do you believe that people just get lucky? Or, look at the question this way: Is it possible that there are no coincidences?

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Male 420
Lol, funny video, funnier comments
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Male 17,512
Megido: "animals don`t kill their own in-group members either."

Wrong, Murder among many animal family groups does happen. In fact evolutionists believe that behavior is part of natural selection.


insanmonster: So you`re allowing a professor to form your ethos for you. Over the advice of your family.

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Female 4,028
I`m not in bed yet, although I should be.
I really should be...
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Male 291
Did everyone go to bed?

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Male 291
Enough about atheism, I would like to hear what and why theists believe what they do.

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Male 291
well CrakrJak I can definitely tell you that originally I was raised by my somewhat catholic father who instilled in me his beliefs which were greatly influenced by the bible however now I disagree with him in many ways. Most of these changes were caused by a class that I am taking now which is entitled "Political Philosophy" however it covers subjects from religion to existentialism to distributive justice. This class has helped me form who I am now and not on what my father has taught me.
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Male 439
"If you answer honestly, You know they came from religious sources. So if you are following religious morals, Then you are in effect following religious beliefs in a round about way."
Complete bs, people managed not to kill everyone in sight before any scripture was written, animals don`t kill their own in-group members either. Let`s face it, being decent to your fellow in-group members helps us and we don`t need god to tell us that. I don`t act nice to people cause i want to get in to heaven or fear of hell, i act nice to people because that`s the best way to have a functioning goddamn society. Besides, God is a complete douche in many parts of the bible, so we pick what parts of the bible (or other scripture) are good.

Oh and i never said Statistically possible, i said PROBABLE. There is a huge difference.

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Male 22
CrakrJak, to be honest I feel like atheists have greater moral fiber than most Christians, think about it for a second. Christians do things because they are told that if they don`t do them then they will be forever punished in hell for it.

Atheists on the other hand feel that some things are just wrong and shouldn`t be done..... Who is the more moral here?

Also morals are simply rules of what is acceptable for society, yes our current social morals are heavily influenced by our christian heritage, but every society throughout history has had moral codes, although some we currently would disagree with now.

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Female 4,028
*only come from religion.
Beg pardon.
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Female 4,028
CrakrJak, I hope you`re not implying that good morals come from religion.
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Male 82
"Afairyists don`t have preachers or online trolls, nor are they overly concerned with conversion to their beliefs. Their lack of belief plays no part in their lives."

That`s quite simple really: the world is not full of fairyists prancing around preaching their doctrine of fairyism. So the afairyists would find no purpose in congregating to discuss how annoying the fairyists are.

The same cannot be said to be true of theists/atheists. The existence of atheist groups is pretty much a reaction to the existence of theist groups (religions!) and after all, if religious people are going to be represented by their religious groups then some (and you`d know this if you`ve read much of Dawkins) atheists would ask why there aren`t any major influential groups that represent those of the opposite opinion.

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Male 237
OK well, I would love to keep this up and raise my blood pressure, but I have to teach them kiddies their scales in the morning!

I`m sincerely sorry for getting involved and hope I don`t come across as a bigot or something.

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Male 17,512
insanmonster: Think about this. Just from where did your morals originate ?

If you answer honestly, You know they came from religious sources. So if you are following religious morals, Then you are in effect following religious beliefs in a round about way.

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Male 291
CrakrJak I am an atheist and I don`t hate Christians, I think everyone is entitled to their opinions whether or not other people agree. I don`t care what people think of me but when I am publicly attacked for my beliefs I will embarrass you. It`s nothing against the religion just against that specific person who refuted my position.
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Female 660
lmao!
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Male 237
"TheBLB: The atheists I know are not atheists on the grounds of science or lack of proof. They are atheists because they are pissed off at God or their fundamentalist parents.

They became atheists for selfish reasons and thoroughly hate Christians, God, and/or their parents. You can`t even discuss God or morality in their presence without them thinking you are mentally attacking them. "

Okay, that`s probably true, but I don`t think it`s OK to blanket statement Atheism as a whole because of some people you know. Basically that was some of the most offensive and hateful stuff I`ve read in a long while.

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Male 291
"TheBLB: So there might be a few, Not many. Basically atheism is an excuse to be as selfish and immoral as you want to be and not feel any guilt. After all why have any conscience when there is no God ? There is no motivation to do anything moral or good for others, Except out of selfishness under an atheist viewpoint."

Untrue, I am an atheist, I turned 18 in January have never drank, smoked, chewed tobacco, got in a true physical fight, done any illegal drugs, and I still have never shot a gun (If that makes a difference)

I will tell you why I am an atheist, I intend no offense to anyone of any religion in my next comments. I believe that religions were created for people to try and help understand what was going on in the world and now that we understand mostly every natural phenomena,many people use religion to get through the day and help explain why they should be nice to people. It is really an existential argument.

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Female 12
Jesus, a haiku.
What Would Jesus Do?
Wouldn`t wear that damn bracelet
I bet he hates you
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Male 17,512
TheBLB: The atheists I know are not atheists on the grounds of science or lack of proof. They are atheists because they are pissed off at God or their fundamentalist parents.

They became atheists for selfish reasons and thoroughly hate Christians, God, and/or their parents. You can`t even discuss God or morality in their presence without them thinking you are mentally attacking them.

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Female 4,028
Holy wordy-responses!
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Male 108
That was hilarious :D
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Male 291
And not to be all "America is awesome" but America has given the most in charitable donations compared to any other country (Not percentage wise but dollar wise)
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Male 291
skypirate- I never was offended by anything that you said because you were nice about everything you said...However, I am not going to lie SprinkZ is pissing me off with his arrogant attitude that he knows everything...Words are words and if there is ambiguity between two people on the definition of a word there is something called a DICTIONARY...that is what they were made for, to help people understand the definition of words
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Male 237
"TheBLB: So there might be a few, Not many. Basically atheism is an excuse to be as selfish and immoral as you want to be and not feel any guilt. After all why have any conscience when there is no God ? There is no motivation to do anything moral or good for others, Except out of selfishness under an atheist viewpoint.
"

Look man, I love Jesus, sincerely. I`m not a fundamentalist or a creationist nor am I perfect. But here`s what I know.

Atheism is not an attempt to escape morality. I would wager (and the statistics book UnChristian would help back this up) that people are Atheists largely because

1) Lack of proof of God
2) Contradictions between the (fundamentalist) view of creation, psychology, law etc., and what science tells us now
3) Poor interactions with people who claim to be of a certain faith group that act hypocritically.

Most Atheists I know aren`t as `moral` as the Christians i know would claim to be, but the Athesists have nothing to hide....

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Male 4,546
Wikipedia suggests Sweden gave $4 billion in charitable donations.
The UAE gave $10 billion in a single event in 2007 with a smaller population and total GDP, making it easily way ahead of Sweden even if you spread it out from 2005 to 2009.

This is not counting a single other charitable donation.

I would suggest the list didn`t take everything into consideration. Including Muslim Zakat or the money or food given away at Eid.

I`d estimate somewhere in the region of $15 billion per eid, plus $5 billion in meat. Plus what (should in theory) be $60 billion in Zakat annually. Not counting personal, private, organizational, or foreign aid.

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Male 237
and I meant like

"Sorry for forgetting my source", my bad.

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Male 17,512
TheBLB: So there might be a few, Not many. Basically atheism is an excuse to be as selfish and immoral as you want to be and not feel any guilt. After all why have any conscience when there is no God ? There is no motivation to do anything moral or good for others, Except out of selfishness under an atheist viewpoint.
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Male 439
"-between 46 and 85, sorry if that`s redundant.

FACTS FTW"
From what i`ve read between 20 and 25% say that they believe in a god when polled, but hey, i can`t say for sure. And if you are going criticizes my sources please supply one yourself. As it stands your numbers are no more credible than mine.

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Male 17,512
Megido: You were the first to offer up "statistically possible" things (Virtually anything is, No matter how unlikely you think it is.)

I`m hoping you`ll realize how inter-connected we each are to the universe and each other and that was not some random accident or roll of the dice.

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Female 2,289
DAMN IT! STOPPP. I hate this..... I hate all of thisss. All of this replying... all of this point making.. it`s killing my eyes...
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Female 4,028
Hahaha! Oh, the contradictions.
I know there are many real Christians, but there are always those hypocritical ones who refuse to believe they, themselves, are in the wrong as well.
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Male 237
""Yet how many atheist run soup kitchen, food pantry, homeless outreach center, homeless shelter, hospitals, and hospices are there ?"
Well the secularization in Sweden is around 80% and i read that per capita swedes give the most to charity in the world."

-between 46 and 85, sorry if that`s redundant.

FACTS FTW

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Male 439
"Yet how many atheist run soup kitchen, food pantry, homeless outreach center, homeless shelter, hospitals, and hospices are there ?"
Well the secularization in Sweden is around 80% and i read that per capita swedes give the most to charity in the world.
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Male 237
I sincerely wish the internet didn`t exist. I`m gonna throw that out there. This hatred and internet tough guy squabbling would be a lot less intense. I want to hold hands under a rainbow.
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Male 237
""Yet how many atheist run soup kitchen, food pantry, homeless outreach center, homeless shelter, hospitals, and hospices are there?"

Do you live under a rock, sir?"

I don`t know any, but I would wager a large amount of people outside the church are running those things where I live... the ratio here of Churched to "Unchurched" is between 1:15 and 1:20... and good for them, the world needs help regardless of religion.

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CrakrJak
" It is statistically possible that you, In another universe are a Catholic Priest."
Uh...perhaps, if there is such a thing as parallel universes, though i don`t really see how that is relevant.
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Male 17,512
Megido: It is statistically possible that you, In another universe are a Catholic Priest.

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Male 17,512
SPrinkZ: You refute me, But offer no examples.
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Male 4,546
SprinkZ, why do you assume I haven`t?

I grew up in a secular majority country. I spent years debating religion with Atheists. I was one of the first 1000 members of the Internet Infidels. I`ve researched it more than you have.

If you want to be extremely technical, you pull out a dictionary. You are a religion.

If you want to be more abstract, you are still a religion. You behave as one, your psychology is the same, your grouping is the same, your evangelism is the same, your level of hatred for other groups is the same, your defense of your worldview is the same. There is nothing in the grand scheme of things that makes you distinct from other religious groupings. Not. One. Thing.

What you are asking me to do, is to be technical but not too technical, to be abstract, but not too abstract, all in some hazy middle ground where you have a meaningless victory on self imposed definitions.

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Male 439
SilverThread
"What I find confusing is how many Atheists refuse to believe in God but have no issue with believing in Aliens or accepting "Holiday Pay"."

How is that confusing? Life on other planets in the universe is statistically probable, god is not. It`s that simple.

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Male 551
CrakrJak

One of the largest humanistic group
of people in the world is a Satanist one

Can`t remember the name right now,
But i`m sure they`re from Texas...
Their main office is, at least

So... If you haven`t seen that on
TV is not because they do not exist,
but because people are so close-minded
that even if they were giving you some
free food for you to survive the night
after your house is in several places
of your city thanks to a tornado...

You would say
"No... You are evil"

You know I`m right

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Male 2,306
"Yet how many atheist run soup kitchen, food pantry, homeless outreach center, homeless shelter, hospitals, and hospices are there?"

Do you live under a rock, sir?

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Male 17,512
Why is it so socially acceptable, Even trendy, To bash Christians with IAB posts lately ?

For a group claiming to not be a religion, atheists sure spend a lot of time, effort and money trying to be evangelists for their beliefs.

Yet how many atheist run soup kitchen, food pantry, homeless outreach center, homeless shelter, hospitals, and hospices are there ?

If atheism is a religion, It is a damn selfish and mean one.

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Male 2,306
Baalthazaq,

I`ve noticed that for the most part you usually have half a brain, but right now you`re just making yourself look stupid. I don`t really care what dictionary.com has to say about atheism. I really don`t. Do you know why? Hell, I`ll tell you why, because I don`t care what dictionary.com says about Hitler, or Christians either--it doesn`t even get near the tip of the TIP of the iceberg.

Also, if atheism is a doctrine then I guess not collecting stamps is a cult.

Also, you got the analogy wrong. Atheism is a religion like bald is a hair color. It`s an absence of belief. So there is no hair [religion/beliefs] in the first place. Go research this kind of stuff before you go quoting dictionary.com. It`s great for words that we use in everyday language, and it`s absolutely wonderful when you`re writing poetry and you want to see all the nuances of the word you are using, but aside from that, the dictionary is a joke--go read an encyclopedia or something.

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Male 85
These are real quotes, all taken from fstdt.com
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Male 2,306
Ctucker,

Glad I could help. Not to be mean at all, but a lot of people don`t investigate their beliefs enough to nail them down. Even my beliefs are so strange that I cannot even find words for them. I mean, how does one describe that they believe in things like love, and human goodness? A humanist? It means more to me than just that.

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Male 3,431
I think God created man, because he was disappointed with the monkey.

What I find confusing is how many Atheists refuse to believe in God but have no issue with believing in Aliens or accepting "Holiday Pay".

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Male 353
Happy 50th Anniversary IAB!! IAB: Making the World Safe for Religion Flame Wars since 1959.

Here`s to another 50 years of senseless bullpoo.

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Female 88
This cracked me up. XD
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Male 606
This is satire, obviously.

To anyone who believes this, Evolution doesn`t say that we "evolved" from monkeys, we just had a common ancestor.

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Male 8,302
Wouldn`t it be so weird if you met God one day and He says "I AM, but I don`t necessarily actually BELIEVE I exist..."
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Male 8,302
Whenever God gets depressed and his self-esteem hits rock-bottom, does that mean He is an atheist cause He doesn`t believe in Himself any more?
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Female 523
On a side note, I do realize that that post sounded like it was typed by a drunken 3rd grader. I forgot how to use grammar :(
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Female 523
Meh, as far as religion goes, people can believe whatever the hell they want as long as they give my religious beliefs the same respect, don`t force it upon others against their will, and don`t treat science like a fairytale. This is because nobody really has any credible proof when it comes to the existence or nonexistance of gods,
but Science does at least supply credible evidence.

That said, this was hilarious. especially the rant about the atheist family. Christian fundies may piss me off most of the time, but damn, they make good comedy.

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Male 162
You all seriously have taken the bait. Did you not read the description in the post? Did you not stop to think for a moment? GAWDDAMMIT
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Male 4,546
... let me put it another way. If you were saying "I`m not a theist", that would not be a religion.

Specifically defining yourself around an opinion you hold makes you a member of a group that has an opinion/belief regarding a/some supernatural entities slides you effectively into the religion category.

There are not "afairy" websites like there are atheist ones (Secularweb, heathenhangout, infidels.org, etc). There are not organizations designed to gather you as a congregation (See chapters of GodlessAmericans, AmericanAtheists, etc).

There is not an influencer in government for "Afairyist morals" or "Afairyist ideals" like GAPAC.

Afairyists don`t have preachers or online trolls, nor are they overly concerned with conversion to their beliefs. Their lack of belief plays no part in their lives.

Not the case with atheism (especially online). This is why people look at Atheism like religion.

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Male 1,297
well, as usual, the people making fun of the crazy christians are equally creepy. you guys were meant for each other
=B
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Male 551
...
Name the group of religions
that have no God/Gods
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Male 551
Religion is not a belief in God,
is the belief on how we were
created and how/why things happend.

For example
Thousands of years ago we had
the God of Rain, Fire, etc.
And every little thing that
humans coulnd`t explain, had a God.
Why? Because we needed an explication

We know how Rain works, we know
how to create Fire, so we don`t have
all those Gods now... Well, except from
some naturalist religions but that`s
another story

Anyway...
The only thing we can`t explain is:
Why are we here and how we got here?

The day we answer those questions,
and I mean a fully believable
explication... Then God
will be out of our minds

I`m an Atheist... Well, to be exact,
I`m a Satanist (No, I do not worship
Satan or sacrifice babys), I take
Satan as an Idol, the image of "What you can
do for yourself and for the ones around
you"

Please... understand
Atheism isn`t a religion, is just the
category to name the g

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Male 128
"Also, ctucker you described yourself as an apathetic deist at best--I fail to see your agnosticism." - SPrinkZ

looked up definition (hadn`t heard that one before) and yeah it fits more with my thoughts.

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Male 976
MacDaddy111 congratulations for making the internet just a little more bearable. Sometimes I forget there`s a few intelligent people among the sea of non-nice individuals.
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Male 4,546
SprinkZ:
First:
Belief -> An opinion or conviction.

Second:
It is especially true of Strong Atheism

Third:
Dictionary.com says Atheism is: 2. The doctrine or belief that there is no God. (Hahahaha).

No matter how much you froth at the mouth for being kicked off your pedestal you can be defined as a religion. It`s a common word game to try and call your religion not a religion. This makes people feel superior without merit.

Nothing changes whether you are called a religion or not. Nothing. It`s all definitions. You`re welling up inside with "No! I am superior! It must be so!" but it isn`t, and it never will be.

If anything, Atheism is a religion the same way black is a hair color. It`s technically the absence of color, but for all effective purposes it`s still a color, and you can still define it as such.

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insan- its sounded like you were offended by my commit. i didnt want to offend you nor anyone else. i was simply stating my original comment was an observation and not a judgment call in any means.
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Male 6
What does anyone have to gain by even winning this age old argument one way or another?

Do we just want to be at the forefront of someone else`s attention? To be right? To be the winner? Claim to fight to defend your religion or non religion, but you are still just feeding the frenzy. As would I be...

If you are agnostic, atheist, christian, or any type of religion or non religion, organized or not, what in the world do you get for your troubles?

I think the REAL ignorance, your ignorance and mine, is that we fail in all religions and non religions to embrace our fellow man and woman, and move forward as a species. The most unfortunate thing is that it`s only human nature to do so, whether granted by a god or our own minds.

Some of us have taken steps to be the best we can be, some of us have not. And so shall it always be, until the end of time.

I am an atheist, but I bear you no ill will, regardless of your beliefs. I can only hope you embrace me nonetheless.