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  1. Profile photo of LittleMissQT
    LittleMissQT Female 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 7:18 pm
    Link: If Atheists Ruled the World - Oddly enough, all text in this video is taken directly from online Christian fundamentalist forums.
  2. Profile photo of Giligadi
    Giligadi Male 40-49
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    March 29, 2009 at 7:31 pm
    I, for one, am going to immediately put on my black atheist robes.
  3. Profile photo of raceal2
    raceal2 Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 7:32 pm
    DIE CHRISTIAN! DIIIIIIE!

    I hate fundamentalists with a passion that can only be described in song!

    ...

    Unfortunately, that song will not be posted here.

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    davymid Male 30-39
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    March 29, 2009 at 7:32 pm
    *FLAME SHIELD, ACTIVATE!*
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    LoofahBoy Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 7:36 pm
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    FlameOfUdun Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 7:38 pm
    I thought it said "Athletes".

    Now that I think about it, that sounds SO much better.

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    dance4life Female 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 7:38 pm
    bahahaha, i`m not an atheist, but i have to admit, that was pretty funny actually that people beleive that stuff. the one about monkies not living 6 million years or whatever it was, was freaking hilarious!!!!
  8. Profile photo of Cataclism0
    Cataclism0 Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 7:38 pm
    i can sum it up in three words.
    "evolution is a lie"
  9. Profile photo of joklocke
    joklocke Male 13-17
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    March 29, 2009 at 7:40 pm
    "i can sum it up in 3 words: evolution is a lie" dumbass. evolution1 is2 a3 lie4.
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    TheSharpest Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 7:40 pm
    Lol fundamentalists. Lol at some atheists` depiction of Christians.
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    gozirra Male 40-49
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    March 29, 2009 at 7:41 pm
    Why were there only TWO gay men on mom & dad`s bed? Atheists have a problem with Orgymentalism too?
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    TheSharpest Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 7:43 pm
    Good job joklocke, you unraveled the subtle joke hidden within that sentence. I really needed that help understanding that, so thanks.
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    norwegian Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 7:46 pm
    goodness, joklocke, you certainly are the pinnacle of intelligence that all mankind should strive to emulate.

    or not.

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    Immigrant Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 7:47 pm
    I lol`d thoroughly. Though for the sake of my faith in man, I`m going to assume this was just a parody, and no one really believes those things.
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    WeeToddDid Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 7:50 pm
    Very amusing.
    Though this video is made of flammable material.
    As in, ignite a thread.
    Like, to cause a flamewar.
    Christ that sucked... it`s late tho so meh.

    Good video though, I`m going to see if I can find any fund. Christian forums to post on.

    3*

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    Jonatncito Male 13-17
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    March 29, 2009 at 7:50 pm
    i find this hilarious. any here heres?
  17. Profile photo of CharlieA
    CharlieA Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 7:50 pm
    "all text in this video is taken directly from online Christian fundamentalist forums."

    Sounds like a reliable source to cite. They don`t get trolls logging into those kind of forums who do so just to stir poo up, right?

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    CharlieA Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 7:51 pm
    *waits for seven pages of flametastic retardedness*
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    darthrex111 Male 13-17
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    March 29, 2009 at 7:51 pm
    wow the dumb stuff people beleve about atheists...
  20. Profile photo of skine
    skine Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 7:55 pm
    But if they allow homosexual marriage, what will they legalize next?

    Bigamy?
    Marrying animals?
    Marrying Rocks?
    Murder?

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    davymid Male 30-39
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    March 29, 2009 at 7:57 pm
    I can see where this is going. I refer you to a previous thread
  22. Profile photo of FeeFee
    FeeFee Female 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 7:59 pm
    skine, I hope that was sarcastic.
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    mrwnt Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 7:59 pm
    skine: The basic premise of the US is that all people should be free to live their lives how they want to, as long as it doesn`t directly harm anybody

    Thus, we have the freedoms of speech, the press, and religion

    Tell me how letting people who, by nature, are attracted to people of the same sex, marry people of the same sex? How does that hurt you?

    Why the hell is the government even involved in marriage. It should only concern itself with civil unions. Churches can decide who can marry whom within their own institutions, and then gays can join the church that allows them to marry

    Murder does hurt people, so the comparison isn`t fair

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    unreedemed Male 13-17
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    March 29, 2009 at 8:01 pm
    "Evolution is a lie."

    Isn`t that 4 words?

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    davymid Male 30-39
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    March 29, 2009 at 8:05 pm
    skine, I hope that was sarcastic.

    Judging by your profile statement as a liberal student, I think sarcasm is a safe bet. Those crazy students gettin all high-fallutin` with your books and sh*t! The world would be a better place if we all just farmed corn, no time to dangerous things like THINK then! YesSIR!

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    skine Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 8:08 pm
    Yes, for drat`s sake, I was being sarcastic.

    It`s not something I`ve never read before on the internet though.

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    davymid Male 30-39
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    March 29, 2009 at 8:11 pm
    I can see where this is going. I refer you to a previous thread
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    643197 Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 8:14 pm
    i only got to watch half of this vid cause mid way i spotted a christian outside and had to run out in my black robes and kill him.
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    xtkm1x Male 13-17
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    March 29, 2009 at 8:16 pm
    norwegian:
    goodness, joklocke, you certainly are the pinnacle of intelligence that all mankind should strive to emulate.
    or not.


    LMFAO.

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    simbha Male 30-39
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    March 29, 2009 at 8:17 pm
    I have no idea if this is a trolling video, or "for real." Either way - Wow... just... Wow.

    Okay, that probably didn`t really count as a comment so here goes another try:

    Comparing atheism to any particular theistic faith tradition is not appropriate. Those of one particular faith tradition - be it Christianity, Buddhism, Pastafarianism or whatever - are connected by far more than just "I believe in at least one "higher being"; there is an underlying social-cultural framework that permeates nearly all faith traditions. The ONLY thing that "unites" atheists is a belief that no such higher being called "God" exists.

    That`s it. There are murderous atheists and there are "saintly" atheists. There are atheists who share society`s mores and there are those that are adamantly opposed to them. There are atheists who can balance their checkbooks and there are others whose heirs will get nothing because the identity thieves got it all

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    Ticomeister Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 8:19 pm
    ok ok ok... I swear.... I had the EXACT dreams of the situation the guys talking about....except it was aithiests... it was raptors... and it wasn`t christians..it was carebears


    best
    dream
    ever

  32. Profile photo of agamemnon
    agamemnon Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 8:23 pm
    As an atheist, I find this more depressing than funny.
  33. Profile photo of skine
    skine Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 8:29 pm
    Another good line I`ve heard:

    It`s freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion.

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    Logan033 Male 13-17
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    March 29, 2009 at 8:30 pm
    Alright that was helarious. Deoxyribonucleic Acid makes us all melt.... DNA
  35. Profile photo of jennifer6716
    jennifer6716 Female 13-17
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    March 29, 2009 at 8:31 pm
    Yes, let`s all generalize people. All Christians are blindly following what the bible says. I hate it when people put stereotypes onto a group of people. It also irks me when Christians are the only people parodied. It`s as if there are two points of view: Christians and Atheists. There ARE more religions than that, but because it`s becoming increasingly acceptable to make fun of Christians, it`s okay. It shouldn`t be okay to make fun of ANY belief. It`s just not right. GAH

    My boredom was just replaced by frustration. Thanks, IAB. =_=

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    ESQUEIRO Male 30-39
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    March 29, 2009 at 8:32 pm
    LOL... great stuff.

    dude in the beanie looks like john crier.

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    nerdtchn Male 13-17
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    March 29, 2009 at 8:40 pm
    OK, how about next time, you take some lines that WEREN`T written by idiots?
  38. Profile photo of kmosuch
    kmosuch Female 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 8:41 pm
    Man, this is right on point!
  39. Profile photo of Lawviz
    Lawviz Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 8:42 pm
    WWJD?
    I`d turn them into wine...and let them ferment for a millennium...
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    ambercooper Female 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 8:45 pm
    I agree with you Jennifer, it shouldn`t be okay to mock anyone`s beliefs. As a Christian I don`t make fun of athiests(or any religion in general) or try to disprove their theories. And I have to say it would be nice to have a decent conversation with an athiest to try and understand their view point without the childish name calling and stupid arguments that so often occurs(on both sides).
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    Xan238 Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 8:47 pm
    ok, i`m a christian, but this is rediculous, its just like the furries, theres some that give the rest of us a bad name.
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    lemmingboy15 Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 8:48 pm
    well that correctly sums up every single christian ever
    -.-
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    ghostofme Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 8:53 pm
    "lemmingboy15
    well that correctly sums up every single christian ever"

    Wow...just....wow.

    You, sir, are an idiot.

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    OrangeCrow Female 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 8:54 pm
    I totally agree, jennifer6716.

    I just refuse to watch any videos that bash other people`s beliefs. :/ It`s wrong and it`s not worth my time to get all frustrated about it.

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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 8:55 pm
    "I agree with you Jennifer, it shouldn`t be okay to mock anyone`s beliefs. "

    BS! I`m Catholic and I make fun of my own beliefs. In church I try to add captions to the priest.


    "You in the back! Dominoes?"

    " or try to disprove their theories."

    ....But wheres the fun in that?

    "it would be nice to have a decent conversation with an athiest to try and understand their view point without the childish name calling and stupid arguments that so often occurs(on both sides)."

    Dont be such a lint licker

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    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 8:56 pm
    "I agree with you Jennifer, it shouldn`t be okay to mock anyone`s beliefs."

    Welcome to the internet...

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    andystevens Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 9:05 pm
    "text in this video is taken directly from online Christian fundamentalist forums."

    Hmm. Let me guess the likely scenerio... "JesusRocks8750" (an athiest) logs on the creationism v. eveolution forum at belief.net... Types, "DNA! It`s acid! It would melt us!"... The fish takes the hook. It is called trolling.

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    dixon323 Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 9:05 pm
    If Atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby.
  49. Profile photo of andystevens
    andystevens Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 9:11 pm
    Collecting stamps is a hobby, so...
  50. Profile photo of Calderis
    Calderis Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 9:24 pm
    I hate to say it, but stereotypes exist for a reason. boil down a group and you get the retarded hodge-podge that sterotypes are derived from.

    People as individuals can be stupid. people as a group are dratin retarded.

    This is for both sides of this issue, whether your the arrogant, hostile, antagonistic atheist, or the blind, unreasoning, parroting christian...

    Realize that you may not fit that, but the groups your a part of look this way, and agree to approach each other without preconceptions.

    and just to make the point, I`m an indecisive, issue-avoiding, completely-worthless agnostic.

    heh

  51. Profile photo of Nidonemo
    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 9:32 pm
    We just HAD an argument! >_< DAMMIT!
  52. Profile photo of primetimekin
    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 9:33 pm
    "and just to make the point, I`m an indecisive, issue-avoiding, completely-worthless agnostic."

    You mean atheist without balls? :)

  53. Profile photo of insanmonster
    insanmonster Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 9:33 pm
    1) "Why the hell is the government even involved in marriage. It should only concern itself with civil unions. Churches can decide who can marry whom within their own institutions, and then gays can join the church that allows them to marry"

    I wholly Agree with this, I do however believe that if a gay couple wants to be "married" they should call it a civil-union so as not to offend the Christian base of our nation because our country is VERY Christian.

    2) "That`s it. There are murderous atheists and there are "saintly" atheists."

    Amen to that (Did you see what I did?...I used a Christian saying on a video about Christianity...lol jk)

    3) "It`s freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion."

    However Atheism IS a religion, It is the belief that there is no higher power and that we are in this world to make ourselves what we want to be.

    4) "Yes, let`s all generalize people. All Christians are blindly following what the b

  54. Profile photo of healingcloud
    healingcloud Male 13-17
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    March 29, 2009 at 9:36 pm
    and this is why i changed my religon to wicca
    be cause of the dumb asses of my former religion and yes i cant spell get over it
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    vitaliy Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 9:39 pm
    LOL this just made me laugh the whole way through
  56. Profile photo of Calderis
    Calderis Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 9:40 pm
    LoL prime. I can understand why it`s viewed that way, and I`m sure for some that`s how it is.

    If you want me to discuss my beliefs I will, I`m pretty long winded though.

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    insanmonster Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 9:41 pm
    "...bible says"

    I think we are all smart enough to know that all people aren`t that stupid

    5) " It also irks me when Christians are the only people parodied."

    I diagree, I think Christians are the least parodied compared to Muslims and some Buddhists. For example The Prophet Muhammad is constantly being parodied as well as skit saying "Confuscios say..."

    6) "And I have to say it would be nice to have a decent conversation with an athiest to try and understand their view point without the childish name calling and stupid arguments that so often occurs(on both sides)."

    If you want to talk to me about religion just let me know I would love to hear the other side and trust me, I won`t call you a poopy head :)

    7)"well that correctly sums up every single christian ever"
    Wow...just....wow.

    You, sir, are an idiot."

    I think he was kidding

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    PreoSmo Female 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 9:47 pm
    Arguing over religion is like arguing who`s imaginary friend is best.

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    The_Maddog Male 30-39
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    March 29, 2009 at 9:50 pm
    insanmonster, you failed the moment you said atheism is a religion. Sorry kiddo but no, it isnt!
    Religion by it`s very definition is a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects, thus you have organised religon!
    Atheism has one constant. No belief in a god or gods. Outside of that they can belive whatever the hell they want. Evolution, the big bang, little green men running the world etc etc!
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    andystevens Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 9:50 pm
    "and just to make the point, I`m an indecisive, issue-avoiding, completely-worthless agnostic."
    "You mean atheist without balls? :)"

    An agnostic, is someone with a brain with the capacity to admit that they are not smart enough to comprehend the vastness of what we call the universe with certainty. Unlike theists and atheists.

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    ctucker Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 9:52 pm
    I honestly hope that this video is a joke. It just amazes me how people can openly bash others for their beliefs (or lack thereof) but then when someone attacks them it`s not cool. I honestly think that people in general are so set in one idea or another that there is no plausible reasoning from the other side. I personally am an Agnostic. I believe that something happened to get us to where we are today. What that was I dont know nor do I honestly care. But for people to openly destroy the beliefs of others because it is the only way they can find solace in their beliefs it is reall really sad. Reasons like beliefs and ideas are why people of this world hate one another. To me it`s on just hypocritical statement after another. One thing I do wish to bring up is if evolution isn`t real then where do the dinosaurs come in?
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 9:58 pm
    Lampooning people is easy. What is irritating is the one sidedness of the mockery.

    Please go to Infidels.org and look up your own jackasses then pretend they`re the norm. Fun ones from the archive include threats of genocide.

    "But that`s a minority!"
    Currently, the Catholic Church (Representing 2/3rds of Christians), and the majority of religious worldwide, accept evolution. Obviously, the quotes come from a minority.

    Before I go: Trivia Quiz:
    Which popular online forum was the result of a split on Infidels.org debating whether Bestiality should be acceptable to Atheists?

    Answers on a postcard please. :P As I said, this is not hard.

  63. Profile photo of insanmonster
    insanmonster Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 10:02 pm
    "...bible says"

    I think we are all smart enough to know that all people aren`t that stupid

    5) " It also irks me when Christians are the only people parodied."

    I diagree, I think Christians are the least parodied compared to Muslims and some Buddhists. For example The Prophet Muhammad is constantly being parodied as well as skit saying "Confuscios say..."

    6) "And I have to say it would be nice to have a decent conversation with an athiest to try and understand their view point without the childish name calling and stupid arguments that so often occurs(on both sides)."

    If you want to talk to me about religion just let me know I would love to hear the other side and trust me, I won`t call you a poopy head :)

    7)"well that correctly sums up every single christian ever"
    Wow...just....wow.

    You, sir, are an idiot."

    I think he was kidding

  64. Profile photo of jrm5016
    jrm5016 Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 10:03 pm
    "Before I go: Trivia Quiz:"

    No. Just go

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    ctucker Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 10:09 pm
    Xan238 said "ok, i`m a christian, but this is rediculous, its just like the furries, theres some that give the rest of us a bad name."

    Wait you`re a furry? Creepy... Just Kidding. To each his own I always say.

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    RickyGTO Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 10:10 pm
    I somehow believe that these men are actually atheist themselves making fun of Christians. This is probably an atheist response to the Christian videos about atheists thats been through here a couple times.
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    caboose117 Male 13-17
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    March 29, 2009 at 10:10 pm
    Going through I-am-bored.com, sarcasm and reality are so muddled, i no longer bother. good day good sirs and madams.
  68. Profile photo of insanmonster
    insanmonster Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 10:11 pm
    "insanmonster, you failed the moment you said atheism is a religion. Sorry kiddo but no, it isnt!
    Religion by it`s very definition is a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects, thus you have organised religon!"

    I said religion, not organized religion

    "1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs." From Dictionary.com, thus Atheism is a religion :) it is just the belief that there is no higher power.

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    raceal2 Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 10:11 pm
    "It shouldn`t be okay to make fun of ANY belief. It`s just not right. GAH"

    I`m sorry jennifer6716, but I`d have to disagree with you there. For example, if a man believed that a rock had told him to stand on the street corner naked, I guarantee people would make fun of him. Or if he claimed to see a leprechan on everyone`s shoulder, whispering bad things into our ears, people would call him nuts.

    But if the same man believed that by being on his knees for an hour and whispering softly to an invisible superbeing, his whims would come true, he would be considered a man of great patience and faith. Us atheists, we don`t see the difference between the fairy man and the praying man, because it`s really one in the same. Of course I`m going to make fun of such a ridiculous belief, the same way I`d make fun of a normal student in high school who still believed in Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy!

    I refuse to just accept illogical thinking as a part of modern society.

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    caboose117 Male 13-17
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    March 29, 2009 at 10:11 pm
    no, it`s not like furries. ALL furries give furries a bad name.
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    skypirate Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 10:11 pm
    its kinda funny to think that both the activist Christians and the activist atheists are both obsessed with god. one trying to prove its/hes/shes there, one trying to prove its/hes/shes not.they have so much in common....
  72. Profile photo of insanmonster
    insanmonster Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 10:15 pm
    "its kinda funny to think that both the activist Christians and the activist atheists are both obsessed with god. one trying to prove its/hes/shes there, one trying to prove its/hes/shes not.they have so much in common...."

    To be honest I don`t really care to prove that God doesn`t exist, I really don`t care what anyone believes but when someone attacks MY belief I will do my best to defend myself

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    insanmonster Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 10:16 pm
    mods wanna get rid of that link?

    Thanks :)

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    AnwarNova Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 10:16 pm
    Huzzah christian bashings!
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    skypirate Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 10:17 pm
    insan- would you call your self an activist?
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    nodar Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 10:18 pm
    im glad i changed my religion to jedi
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    MurlocoTaco Female 30-39
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    March 29, 2009 at 10:18 pm
    My mother taught my sister and I that there are 3 things never to discuss with other people. Money, religion, and politics. It may be an old as the hills saying, but it beats getting into heated debates with certain people who will never see your point of view. We`ll all find out the answers eventually, or maybe we won`t. It`s that simple. :)
  78. Profile photo of insanmonster
    insanmonster Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 10:20 pm
    "My mother taught my sister and I that there are 3 things never to discuss with other people. Money, religion, and politics. It may be an old as the hills saying, but it beats getting into heated debates with certain people who will never see your point of view. We`ll all find out the answers eventually, or maybe we won`t. It`s that simple. :)"

    I like that saying and I like your view on things, It`s like saying you have your belief I have mine and thats the way it is.

  79. Profile photo of insanmonster
    insanmonster Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 10:20 pm
    And no I don`t consider myself an activist
  80. Profile photo of skypirate
    skypirate Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 10:23 pm
    just as long as you know i wasnt referring to you, it was only an observation.
  81. Profile photo of d_katman
    d_katman Male 13-17
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    March 29, 2009 at 10:25 pm
    the three things you never discuss:
    money politics and the great pumpkin
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    insanmonster Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 10:27 pm
    skypirate, to be honest with you I have no idea what you were trying to say
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    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    March 29, 2009 at 10:29 pm
    > d_katman
    > three things you never discuss: money politics and the great pumpkin

    Sorry, I already paid off the Great Pumpkin to run for office

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    insanmonster Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 10:46 pm
    Thank You Lionhart assuming that was you
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    mattriesel Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 10:55 pm
    lol, that last one did seem a bit similar to Ancient Rome, tho
  86. Profile photo of skine
    skine Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 11:01 pm
    insanmonster: "1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs."

    Atheism is the belief that there is no god. This, in itself does not dictate beliefs on "the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe," involve "devotional and ritual observances," or contain "a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs."

    I know it`s said a lot, but "if atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby."

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 11:03 pm
    Hahahahahaa!!!

    "`1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.`

    From Dictionary.com, thus Atheism is a religion :) it is just the belief that there is no higher power."

    Hahahahahahahahaaha. Wait. Did you catch it yet? No? Okay, one second: Hahahahaha. Atheism is a religion like bald is a hair color you twit. Atheism is the LACK of belief. So right out the gate that definition shouldn`t stick. Atheists do not claim to believe there is no God. They just lack a belief in God. That`s like not playing tennis--it`s a passive position. Just because I am not playing tennis doesn`t mean I have any opinion about it, or sets of beliefs around it--in fact I probably have no concern whatsoever just like an atheist might feel about God.

    Next time, try r

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 11:03 pm
    try reading*
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    peterboner Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 11:05 pm
    This was totally stupid and based on a false premise. I love how these posts get such a rise out of people on IAB.
  90. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 11:10 pm
    Skine, your close but no cigar. Atheism is a lack of belief. Anyone who believes there is no God is a fuc*ing idiot straight up. I don`t care how smart you are. Believing that there is no God is equally as stupid as believing there is a God. It`s better to be pragmatically agnostic about it, in the sense that it`s improbable or highly unlikely--and certainly if something was supernatural it would be SUPERNATURAL--in the sense that it would not obey natural laws. So it`s outside of your scope of understanding. Dwelling on it, forming circles of well-paying customers for your beliefs, or just praying is a very poor choice considering how your life is a flash in the pan when juxtaposed by the universe itself. Enjoy the life that you have. If everyone just stopped caring about God and realized that all this time it`s been us: humanity, the human spirit--human ingenuity and passion that has driven everything to this zenith, then we may appreciate ourselves more.
  91. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 11:12 pm
    Also, ctucker you described yourself as an apathetic deist at best--I fail to see your agnosticism.
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    vilem Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 11:12 pm
    This just struck me as being sad. Its not a representation of anything at all. People make comments like this about every single topic that can be found on an internet forum.
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 11:14 pm
    Yeah, but the difference is that some people really hold those beliefs--this is not just your run of the mill internet jackassery. Yes, some of those are obviously fake, perhaps all of them were--but I have met people who DO hold those kinds of beliefs, but they keep it very closeted. I`ve had relationships break down with people once they found out I was an atheist and not a Christian/Baptist/Jew whatever like they were.
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    FluffyOrchid Female 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 11:20 pm
    Bloody side-splitting; I want people to laugh at this at my funeral party.
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    PontaFanta Female 13-17
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    March 29, 2009 at 11:21 pm
    If I didn`t have God, I would KILL EVARYWONNN!
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    KMeTG Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 11:23 pm
    I`m an atheist...

    ...and I like to wear black...

    ...I guess therefore I burn Christians at the stake!

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    Tisjokar Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 11:23 pm
    Lol these r funnah
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    macdaddy111 Male 30-39
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    March 29, 2009 at 11:27 pm
    What does anyone have to gain by even winning this age old argument one way or another?

    Do we just want to be at the forefront of someone else`s attention? To be right? To be the winner? Claim to fight to defend your religion or non religion, but you are still just feeding the frenzy. As would I be...

    If you are agnostic, atheist, christian, or any type of religion or non religion, organized or not, what in the world do you get for your troubles?

    I think the REAL ignorance, your ignorance and mine, is that we fail in all religions and non religions to embrace our fellow man and woman, and move forward as a species. The most unfortunate thing is that it`s only human nature to do so, whether granted by a god or our own minds.

    Some of us have taken steps to be the best we can be, some of us have not. And so shall it always be, until the end of time.

    I am an atheist, but I bear you no ill will, regardless of your beliefs. I can only hope you embrace me nonetheless.

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    skypirate Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 11:32 pm
    insan- its sounded like you were offended by my commit. i didnt want to offend you nor anyone else. i was simply stating my original comment was an observation and not a judgment call in any means.
  100. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 11:37 pm
    SprinkZ:
    First:
    Belief -> An opinion or conviction.

    Second:
    It is especially true of Strong Atheism

    Third:
    Dictionary.com says Atheism is: 2. The doctrine or belief that there is no God. (Hahahaha).

    No matter how much you froth at the mouth for being kicked off your pedestal you can be defined as a religion. It`s a common word game to try and call your religion not a religion. This makes people feel superior without merit.

    Nothing changes whether you are called a religion or not. Nothing. It`s all definitions. You`re welling up inside with "No! I am superior! It must be so!" but it isn`t, and it never will be.

    If anything, Atheism is a religion the same way black is a hair color. It`s technically the absence of color, but for all effective purposes it`s still a color, and you can still define it as such.

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    Winter_ICE_0 Male 13-17
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    March 29, 2009 at 11:37 pm
    MacDaddy111 congratulations for making the internet just a little more bearable. Sometimes I forget there`s a few intelligent people among the sea of non-nice individuals.
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    ctucker Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 11:40 pm
    "Also, ctucker you described yourself as an apathetic deist at best--I fail to see your agnosticism." - SPrinkZ

    looked up definition (hadn`t heard that one before) and yeah it fits more with my thoughts.

  103. Profile photo of iceblack
    iceblack Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 11:42 pm
    Religion is not a belief in God,
    is the belief on how we were
    created and how/why things happend.

    For example
    Thousands of years ago we had
    the God of Rain, Fire, etc.
    And every little thing that
    humans coulnd`t explain, had a God.
    Why? Because we needed an explication

    We know how Rain works, we know
    how to create Fire, so we don`t have
    all those Gods now... Well, except from
    some naturalist religions but that`s
    another story

    Anyway...
    The only thing we can`t explain is:
    Why are we here and how we got here?

    The day we answer those questions,
    and I mean a fully believable
    explication... Then God
    will be out of our minds

    I`m an Atheist... Well, to be exact,
    I`m a Satanist (No, I do not worship
    Satan or sacrifice babys), I take
    Satan as an Idol, the image of "What you can
    do for yourself and for the ones around
    you"

    Please... understand
    Atheism isn`t a religion, is just the
    category to name the g

  104. Profile photo of iceblack
    iceblack Male 18-29
    551 posts
    March 29, 2009 at 11:44 pm
    ...
    Name the group of religions
    that have no God/Gods
  105. Profile photo of GlooStikk
    GlooStikk Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 11:51 pm
    well, as usual, the people making fun of the crazy christians are equally creepy. you guys were meant for each other
    =B
  106. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    March 29, 2009 at 11:52 pm
    ... let me put it another way. If you were saying "I`m not a theist", that would not be a religion.

    Specifically defining yourself around an opinion you hold makes you a member of a group that has an opinion/belief regarding a/some supernatural entities slides you effectively into the religion category.

    There are not "afairy" websites like there are atheist ones (Secularweb, heathenhangout, infidels.org, etc). There are not organizations designed to gather you as a congregation (See chapters of GodlessAmericans, AmericanAtheists, etc).

    There is not an influencer in government for "Afairyist morals" or "Afairyist ideals" like GAPAC.

    Afairyists don`t have preachers or online trolls, nor are they overly concerned with conversion to their beliefs. Their lack of belief plays no part in their lives.

    Not the case with atheism (especially online). This is why people look at Atheism like religion.

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    peterboner Male 18-29
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    March 29, 2009 at 11:57 pm
    You all seriously have taken the bait. Did you not read the description in the post? Did you not stop to think for a moment? GAWDDAMMIT
  108. Profile photo of Okasen
    Okasen Female 13-17
    523 posts
    March 29, 2009 at 11:57 pm
    Meh, as far as religion goes, people can believe whatever the hell they want as long as they give my religious beliefs the same respect, don`t force it upon others against their will, and don`t treat science like a fairytale. This is because nobody really has any credible proof when it comes to the existence or nonexistance of gods,
    but Science does at least supply credible evidence.

    That said, this was hilarious. especially the rant about the atheist family. Christian fundies may piss me off most of the time, but damn, they make good comedy.

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    Okasen Female 13-17
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    March 29, 2009 at 11:59 pm
    On a side note, I do realize that that post sounded like it was typed by a drunken 3rd grader. I forgot how to use grammar :(
  110. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
    8306 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 12:22 am
    Whenever God gets depressed and his self-esteem hits rock-bottom, does that mean He is an atheist cause He doesn`t believe in Himself any more?
  111. Profile photo of Lionhart2
    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
    8306 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 12:23 am
    Wouldn`t it be so weird if you met God one day and He says "I AM, but I don`t necessarily actually BELIEVE I exist..."
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    Slmmhmmr161 Male 18-29
    606 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 12:25 am
    This is satire, obviously.

    To anyone who believes this, Evolution doesn`t say that we "evolved" from monkeys, we just had a common ancestor.

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    ilovewasabi Female 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 12:26 am
    This cracked me up. XD
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    ChronicJ Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 12:30 am
    Happy 50th Anniversary IAB!! IAB: Making the World Safe for Religion Flame Wars since 1959.

    Here`s to another 50 years of senseless bullpoo.

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    SilverThread Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2009 at 12:33 am
    I think God created man, because he was disappointed with the monkey.

    What I find confusing is how many Atheists refuse to believe in God but have no issue with believing in Aliens or accepting "Holiday Pay".

  116. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
    2279 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 12:34 am
    Ctucker,

    Glad I could help. Not to be mean at all, but a lot of people don`t investigate their beliefs enough to nail them down. Even my beliefs are so strange that I cannot even find words for them. I mean, how does one describe that they believe in things like love, and human goodness? A humanist? It means more to me than just that.

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    freeze43 Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 12:36 am
    These are real quotes, all taken from fstdt.com
  118. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
    2279 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 12:40 am
    Baalthazaq,

    I`ve noticed that for the most part you usually have half a brain, but right now you`re just making yourself look stupid. I don`t really care what dictionary.com has to say about atheism. I really don`t. Do you know why? Hell, I`ll tell you why, because I don`t care what dictionary.com says about Hitler, or Christians either--it doesn`t even get near the tip of the TIP of the iceberg.

    Also, if atheism is a doctrine then I guess not collecting stamps is a cult.

    Also, you got the analogy wrong. Atheism is a religion like bald is a hair color. It`s an absence of belief. So there is no hair in the first place. Go research this kind of stuff before you go quoting dictionary.com. It`s great for words that we use in everyday language, and it`s absolutely wonderful when you`re writing poetry and you want to see all the nuances of the word you are using, but aside from that, the dictionary is a joke--go read an encyclopedia or something.

  119. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 12:42 am
    Why is it so socially acceptable, Even trendy, To bash Christians with IAB posts lately ?

    For a group claiming to not be a religion, atheists sure spend a lot of time, effort and money trying to be evangelists for their beliefs.

    Yet how many atheist run soup kitchen, food pantry, homeless outreach center, homeless shelter, hospitals, and hospices are there ?

    If atheism is a religion, It is a damn selfish and mean one.

  120. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
    2279 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 12:44 am
    "Yet how many atheist run soup kitchen, food pantry, homeless outreach center, homeless shelter, hospitals, and hospices are there?"

    Do you live under a rock, sir?

  121. Profile photo of iceblack
    iceblack Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 12:50 am
    CrakrJak

    One of the largest humanistic group
    of people in the world is a Satanist one

    Can`t remember the name right now,
    But i`m sure they`re from Texas...
    Their main office is, at least

    So... If you haven`t seen that on
    TV is not because they do not exist,
    but because people are so close-minded
    that even if they were giving you some
    free food for you to survive the night
    after your house is in several places
    of your city thanks to a tornado...

    You would say
    "No... You are evil"

    You know I`m right

  122. Profile photo of Megido
    Megido Male 18-29
    439 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 12:50 am
    SilverThread
    "What I find confusing is how many Atheists refuse to believe in God but have no issue with believing in Aliens or accepting "Holiday Pay"."

    How is that confusing? Life on other planets in the universe is statistically probable, god is not. It`s that simple.

  123. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 12:51 am
    SprinkZ, why do you assume I haven`t?

    I grew up in a secular majority country. I spent years debating religion with Atheists. I was one of the first 1000 members of the Internet Infidels. I`ve researched it more than you have.

    If you want to be extremely technical, you pull out a dictionary. You are a religion.

    If you want to be more abstract, you are still a religion. You behave as one, your psychology is the same, your grouping is the same, your evangelism is the same, your level of hatred for other groups is the same, your defense of your worldview is the same. There is nothing in the grand scheme of things that makes you distinct from other religious groupings. Not. One. Thing.

    What you are asking me to do, is to be technical but not too technical, to be abstract, but not too abstract, all in some hazy middle ground where you have a meaningless victory on self imposed definitions.

  124. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 30, 2009 at 12:52 am
    SPrinkZ: You refute me, But offer no examples.
  125. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 12:54 am
    Megido: It is statistically possible that you, In another universe are a Catholic Priest.

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    Megido Male 18-29
    439 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 1:00 am
    CrakrJak
    " It is statistically possible that you, In another universe are a Catholic Priest."
    Uh...perhaps, if there is such a thing as parallel universes, though i don`t really see how that is relevant.
  127. Profile photo of TheBLB
    TheBLB Male 18-29
    237 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 1:01 am
    ""Yet how many atheist run soup kitchen, food pantry, homeless outreach center, homeless shelter, hospitals, and hospices are there?"

    Do you live under a rock, sir?"

    I don`t know any, but I would wager a large amount of people outside the church are running those things where I live... the ratio here of Churched to "Unchurched" is between 1:15 and 1:20... and good for them, the world needs help regardless of religion.

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    Megido Male 18-29
    439 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 1:03 am
    "Yet how many atheist run soup kitchen, food pantry, homeless outreach center, homeless shelter, hospitals, and hospices are there ?"
    Well the secularization in Sweden is around 80% and i read that per capita swedes give the most to charity in the world.
  129. Profile photo of TheBLB
    TheBLB Male 18-29
    237 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 1:03 am
    I sincerely wish the internet didn`t exist. I`m gonna throw that out there. This hatred and internet tough guy squabbling would be a lot less intense. I want to hold hands under a rainbow.
  130. Profile photo of TheBLB
    TheBLB Male 18-29
    237 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 1:05 am
    ""Yet how many atheist run soup kitchen, food pantry, homeless outreach center, homeless shelter, hospitals, and hospices are there ?"
    Well the secularization in Sweden is around 80% and i read that per capita swedes give the most to charity in the world."

    -between 46 and 85, sorry if that`s redundant.

    FACTS FTW

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    dragonshadoz Female 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 1:09 am
    Hahaha! Oh, the contradictions.
    I know there are many real Christians, but there are always those hypocritical ones who refuse to believe they, themselves, are in the wrong as well.
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    britt566 Female 18-29
    2290 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 1:11 am
    DAMN IT! STOPPP. I hate this..... I hate all of thisss. All of this replying... all of this point making.. it`s killing my eyes...
  133. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 1:12 am
    Megido: You were the first to offer up "statistically possible" things (Virtually anything is, No matter how unlikely you think it is.)

    I`m hoping you`ll realize how inter-connected we each are to the universe and each other and that was not some random accident or roll of the dice.

  134. Profile photo of Megido
    Megido Male 18-29
    439 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 1:15 am
    "-between 46 and 85, sorry if that`s redundant.

    FACTS FTW"
    From what i`ve read between 20 and 25% say that they believe in a god when polled, but hey, i can`t say for sure. And if you are going criticizes my sources please supply one yourself. As it stands your numbers are no more credible than mine.

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    TheBLB Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 1:17 am
    Megido,

    sorry

    * http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_at...

  136. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 1:17 am
    TheBLB: So there might be a few, Not many. Basically atheism is an excuse to be as selfish and immoral as you want to be and not feel any guilt. After all why have any conscience when there is no God ? There is no motivation to do anything moral or good for others, Except out of selfishness under an atheist viewpoint.
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    TheBLB Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 1:18 am
    and I meant like

    "Sorry for forgetting my source", my bad.

  138. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 1:21 am
    Wikipedia suggests Sweden gave $4 billion in charitable donations.
    The UAE gave $10 billion in a single event in 2007 with a smaller population and total GDP, making it easily way ahead of Sweden even if you spread it out from 2005 to 2009.

    This is not counting a single other charitable donation.

    I would suggest the list didn`t take everything into consideration. Including Muslim Zakat or the money or food given away at Eid.

    I`d estimate somewhere in the region of $15 billion per eid, plus $5 billion in meat. Plus what (should in theory) be $60 billion in Zakat annually. Not counting personal, private, organizational, or foreign aid.

  139. Profile photo of TheBLB
    TheBLB Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 1:21 am
    "TheBLB: So there might be a few, Not many. Basically atheism is an excuse to be as selfish and immoral as you want to be and not feel any guilt. After all why have any conscience when there is no God ? There is no motivation to do anything moral or good for others, Except out of selfishness under an atheist viewpoint.
    "

    Look man, I love Jesus, sincerely. I`m not a fundamentalist or a creationist nor am I perfect. But here`s what I know.

    Atheism is not an attempt to escape morality. I would wager (and the statistics book UnChristian would help back this up) that people are Atheists largely because

    1) Lack of proof of God
    2) Contradictions between the (fundamentalist) view of creation, psychology, law etc., and what science tells us now
    3) Poor interactions with people who claim to be of a certain faith group that act hypocritically.

    Most Atheists I know aren`t as `moral` as the Christians i know would claim to be, but the Athesists have nothing to hide....

  140. Profile photo of insanmonster
    insanmonster Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 1:22 am
    skypirate- I never was offended by anything that you said because you were nice about everything you said...However, I am not going to lie SprinkZ is pissing me off with his arrogant attitude that he knows everything...Words are words and if there is ambiguity between two people on the definition of a word there is something called a DICTIONARY...that is what they were made for, to help people understand the definition of words
  141. Profile photo of insanmonster
    insanmonster Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 1:24 am
    And not to be all "America is awesome" but America has given the most in charitable donations compared to any other country (Not percentage wise but dollar wise)
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    Pyroo Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 1:29 am
    That was hilarious :D
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    dragonshadoz Female 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 1:30 am
    Holy wordy-responses!
  144. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 1:34 am
    TheBLB: The atheists I know are not atheists on the grounds of science or lack of proof. They are atheists because they are pissed off at God or their fundamentalist parents.

    They became atheists for selfish reasons and thoroughly hate Christians, God, and/or their parents. You can`t even discuss God or morality in their presence without them thinking you are mentally attacking them.

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    sonnaPA Female 18-29
    12 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 1:35 am
    Jesus, a haiku.
    What Would Jesus Do?
    Wouldn`t wear that damn bracelet
    I bet he hates you
  146. Profile photo of insanmonster
    insanmonster Male 18-29
    291 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 1:37 am
    "TheBLB: So there might be a few, Not many. Basically atheism is an excuse to be as selfish and immoral as you want to be and not feel any guilt. After all why have any conscience when there is no God ? There is no motivation to do anything moral or good for others, Except out of selfishness under an atheist viewpoint."

    Untrue, I am an atheist, I turned 18 in January have never drank, smoked, chewed tobacco, got in a true physical fight, done any illegal drugs, and I still have never shot a gun (If that makes a difference)

    I will tell you why I am an atheist, I intend no offense to anyone of any religion in my next comments. I believe that religions were created for people to try and help understand what was going on in the world and now that we understand mostly every natural phenomena,many people use religion to get through the day and help explain why they should be nice to people. It is really an existential argument.

  147. Profile photo of TheBLB
    TheBLB Male 18-29
    237 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 1:40 am
    "TheBLB: The atheists I know are not atheists on the grounds of science or lack of proof. They are atheists because they are pissed off at God or their fundamentalist parents.

    They became atheists for selfish reasons and thoroughly hate Christians, God, and/or their parents. You can`t even discuss God or morality in their presence without them thinking you are mentally attacking them. "

    Okay, that`s probably true, but I don`t think it`s OK to blanket statement Atheism as a whole because of some people you know. Basically that was some of the most offensive and hateful stuff I`ve read in a long while.

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    Razamire Female 18-29
    660 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 1:41 am
    lmao!
  149. Profile photo of insanmonster
    insanmonster Male 18-29
    291 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 1:41 am
    CrakrJak I am an atheist and I don`t hate Christians, I think everyone is entitled to their opinions whether or not other people agree. I don`t care what people think of me but when I am publicly attacked for my beliefs I will embarrass you. It`s nothing against the religion just against that specific person who refuted my position.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 30, 2009 at 1:43 am
    insanmonster: Think about this. Just from where did your morals originate ?

    If you answer honestly, You know they came from religious sources. So if you are following religious morals, Then you are in effect following religious beliefs in a round about way.

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    TheBLB Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 1:45 am
    OK well, I would love to keep this up and raise my blood pressure, but I have to teach them kiddies their scales in the morning!

    I`m sincerely sorry for getting involved and hope I don`t come across as a bigot or something.

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    perigee Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 1:49 am
    "Afairyists don`t have preachers or online trolls, nor are they overly concerned with conversion to their beliefs. Their lack of belief plays no part in their lives."

    That`s quite simple really: the world is not full of fairyists prancing around preaching their doctrine of fairyism. So the afairyists would find no purpose in congregating to discuss how annoying the fairyists are.

    The same cannot be said to be true of theists/atheists. The existence of atheist groups is pretty much a reaction to the existence of theist groups (religions!) and after all, if religious people are going to be represented by their religious groups then some (and you`d know this if you`ve read much of Dawkins) atheists would ask why there aren`t any major influential groups that represent those of the opposite opinion.

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    dragonshadoz Female 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 1:49 am
    CrakrJak, I hope you`re not implying that good morals come from religion.
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    dragonshadoz Female 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 1:50 am
    *only come from religion.
    Beg pardon.
  155. Profile photo of Gasser
    Gasser Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 1:54 am
    CrakrJak, to be honest I feel like atheists have greater moral fiber than most Christians, think about it for a second. Christians do things because they are told that if they don`t do them then they will be forever punished in hell for it.

    Atheists on the other hand feel that some things are just wrong and shouldn`t be done..... Who is the more moral here?

    Also morals are simply rules of what is acceptable for society, yes our current social morals are heavily influenced by our christian heritage, but every society throughout history has had moral codes, although some we currently would disagree with now.

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    Megido Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 1:54 am
    "If you answer honestly, You know they came from religious sources. So if you are following religious morals, Then you are in effect following religious beliefs in a round about way."
    Complete bs, people managed not to kill everyone in sight before any scripture was written, animals don`t kill their own in-group members either. Let`s face it, being decent to your fellow in-group members helps us and we don`t need god to tell us that. I don`t act nice to people cause i want to get in to heaven or fear of hell, i act nice to people because that`s the best way to have a functioning goddamn society. Besides, God is a complete douche in many parts of the bible, so we pick what parts of the bible (or other scripture) are good.

    Oh and i never said Statistically possible, i said PROBABLE. There is a huge difference.

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    insanmonster Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 2:02 am
    well CrakrJak I can definitely tell you that originally I was raised by my somewhat catholic father who instilled in me his beliefs which were greatly influenced by the bible however now I disagree with him in many ways. Most of these changes were caused by a class that I am taking now which is entitled "Political Philosophy" however it covers subjects from religion to existentialism to distributive justice. This class has helped me form who I am now and not on what my father has taught me.
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    insanmonster Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 2:08 am
    Enough about atheism, I would like to hear what and why theists believe what they do.

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    insanmonster Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 2:11 am
    Did everyone go to bed?

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    dragonshadoz Female 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 2:14 am
    I`m not in bed yet, although I should be.
    I really should be...
  161. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 30, 2009 at 2:18 am
    Megido: "animals don`t kill their own in-group members either."

    Wrong, Murder among many animal family groups does happen. In fact evolutionists believe that behavior is part of natural selection.


    insanmonster: So you`re allowing a professor to form your ethos for you. Over the advice of your family.

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    Gn0m3 Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 2:26 am
    Lol, funny video, funnier comments
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 30, 2009 at 2:26 am
    I don`t usually quote movies, But this is one of the best ever.

    People break down into two groups. When they experience something lucky, group one sees it as more than luck, more than coincidence. They see it as a sign, evidence, that there is someone up there, watching out for them. Group two sees it as just pure luck. Just a happy turn of chance... deep down, they feel that whatever happens, they`re on their own. And that fills them with fear... But there`s a whole lot of people in group number one... deep down, they feel that whatever`s going to happen, there will be someone there to help them. And that fills them with hope... What kind of person are you? Are you the kind that sees signs & miracles? Or do you believe that people just get lucky? Or, look at the question this way: Is it possible that there are no coincidences?

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    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    March 30, 2009 at 2:32 am
    > insanmonster
    > Enough about atheism, I would like to hear what and why theists believe what they do

    I believe in logic, not fairy tales which defy observable measurable laws of physics. When someone says to me "the entire universe was created instantly, out of nothing, in a big explosion", my scepticism kicks in and says " that`s impossible, you must have strong faith to believe that". When people say a rock is a billion years old, when no object on earth can be observably, reliably dated at more than the 6,000 or so years of written history and science, I find that laughable. When someone says "man evolved from this" and all the bones ever dug up are either Step A or Step Z, and no-one ever digs up any bones in between even though logically they must make up 99.9999% of fossils, I find that unlikely. Logically, for something to exist, there must be a creator of that object. Hence I believe in God.

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    Megido Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 2:35 am
    "Wrong, Murder among many animal family groups does happen. In fact evolutionists believe that behavior is part of natural selection."

    You know that`s not what i meant. Pack animals have in-groups because it`s beneficial to them, not because god told them to, and it`s the same with humans. A pack of humans have a much better chance of survival than a single human and thus it is beneficial to be nice to each other.

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    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    March 30, 2009 at 2:39 am
    > Gn0m3
    > Lol, funny video, funnier comments

    Yep, that`s what IAB is all about. The people who visit IAB who don`t take part in the forums, miss out on the absolute best part of the site. A few interesting facts for you all:

    IAB has roughly 750,000 page views per day, but only about 7,000 members. That`s a lot of people who are missing out on the community side of things.

    The highest number of posts from one user (that I`ve ever seen) is around 43,000.

    There are now 11 mods, spread out over time zones.

    We love our community so much, whenever a member stops posting, we usually notice it (Verily, not one sparrow falls to the ground without Him knowing it :-) )

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    Megido Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 2:43 am
    "I believe in logic, not fairy tales which defy observable measurable laws of physics."

    You do realize that a God springing into existence from nothing is by far more unlikely than matter just appearing out of nothing, right? A being like God would be insanely complex yet it`s more likely that such a complex entity would materialize and create the universe? God is the ultimate aggrevator of the infinite regress and defies all logic and physics. There are plenty of fossils to look at, religious people just have a tendency to look at the specific cases where science is lacking. Besides, carbon dating is able to determine age far older than 6000 years.

  168. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 30, 2009 at 2:48 am
    Megido: Your claim was "A pack of animals/humans have a much better chance of survival than a single animal/human and thus it is beneficial to be nice to each other."

    But, There are many many species of solitary animals, Exceptions made during times of mating.

    Lions eat their own cubs, Chimpanzees kill their own siblings, etc..

    If your trying to base your morality on animals, You fail.

  169. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 2:53 am
    Theism, for me:
    I believe a closed, but flawed, system of belief, is more correct than an open but incomplete system.

    I (subjectively) find the probability of their being a God to be greater than the probability of their not being a God.

    I would suggest order, the fact that the universe has rules, not that it obeys them, to be demonstrative of a creator. (In other words, Conway`s Game of Life demonstrates complexity is derived from simplicity. Conway himself however, is a demonstration of what a creator does.)

    Finally, I find the faith required to believe in God, to be equivalent to any inductive leap.

    (Despite what Megido may suggest, placing a probability on God is entirely subjective. Him suggesting it is improbable, merely demonstrates closed mindedness. You`d have to know what God is before knowing the chances of him existing. Anyone who claims to know this, theist or atheist, is lying).

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    Megido Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 2:53 am
    "placing a probability on God is entirely subjective."
    There is nothing but personal experience pointing to gods existence, that`s enough for me to think that until we get some better evidence for such an existence agnosticism or atheism is the best stance. If the existence of God is even proven i`ll be happy to admit it, but as far as i`m concerned there is no such thing as proof right now.
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    Gasser Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 2:58 am
    Actually I believe that lions only eat cubs when a new male forcibly takes over the pack, thus eating the cubs eliminates any potential rivals to their dominance. He would then mate with all the females to ensure that any new cubs are his. Thus that example does not fit as the lion would not normally eat his own cub. Chimpanzees though I`m not so sure of.
  172. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 30, 2009 at 2:58 am
    Megido: "If the existence of God is even proven i`ll be happy to admit it, but as far as i`m concerned there is no such thing as proof right now."

    If God was here right now and told you that you were a sinner (As we all are), I still doubt you would admit it.

    As an atheist you can do no wrong. You can suppress your guilt and redefine your morals, As it stands right now. No matter what you do, You can justify it through whatever means.

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    joenova Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 2:59 am
    "god" is not real. Get over it! It`s just a hokey religion made up by some guys on some good drugs a long time ago to keep people from doing imoral things. end of story.
  174. Profile photo of Gasser
    Gasser Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 3:04 am
    CrakrJak, your being very naive, suggesting that only those who believe in god believe in right and wrong. Well personally I`m agnostic rather than atheist. I do believe however that some things are naturally wrong, I believe murder, rape and generally being mean to those around you are simply wrong. These are socially rooted morals which I have. Just because I do not believe a deity has come down and given me rules to follow, does not mean I do not believe society has rules!
  175. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 3:05 am
    Proof gives a 100% certainty of a result. It becomes a fact.

    Evidence gives other levels of certainty.
    Personal experience is one thing, but you can assign probabilities to certain events outside the scope of personal experience.

    Think of it another way, given an infinite amount of time, what is the effective level of evolution of any given thing?

    Given no time restraints, what is the probability of God evolving? Mechanically, Biologically or Physically? Could humanity ever create something "godly"?

    If yes to any one of those, and given an infinitely repeating non-static universe, it becomes likely that the event has occurred if the event has any chance at all.

    It furthermore follows that individual "Big Bangs" could be influenced by such a being, and if it wanted to, would.

    This is not my favourite view of God, but a possible one, and not particularly low on the probability scale.

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    macdaddy111 Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2009 at 3:06 am
    What does anyone have to gain by even winning this age old argument one way or another?

    Do we just want to be at the forefront of someone else`s attention? To be right? To be the winner? Claim to fight to defend your religion or non religion, but you are still just feeding the frenzy. As would I be...

    If you are agnostic, atheist, christian, or any type of religion or non religion, organized or not, what in the world do you get for your troubles?

    I think the REAL ignorance, your ignorance and mine, is that we fail in all religions and non religions to embrace our fellow man and woman, and move forward as a species. The most unfortunate thing is that it`s only human nature to do so, whether granted by a god or our own minds.

    Some of us have taken steps to be the best we can be, some of us have not. And so shall it always be, until the end of time.

    I am an atheist, but I bear you no ill will, regardless of your beliefs. I can only hope you embrace me nonetheless.

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 30, 2009 at 3:09 am
    Gasser: I do things based on Matthew 25:40, Matthew 7:12, Matthew 5:3-12. Not because of fear of punishment.
  178. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 3:10 am
    BTW, I`m liking today`s mix of angry posters and thoughtful ones.

    Also Perigee: I agree, but that doesn`t mean you haven`t become a religion. Scientology was set up by Hubbard because he saw other religions and wanted in. It wasn`t a "real" religion in that regard, but it has become one.

    Some people might suggest Mohammed(p) copied Christianity and Judaism, but it is still a religion irrespective of it`s origins. Whether invented, ordained by God, or plagiarized.

  179. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 30, 2009 at 3:13 am
    Gasser: "These are socially rooted morals which I have."

    Again, They are "socially rooted" because of religion and therefore you too are following religious beliefs, Regardless.

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    bobthemime Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 3:14 am
    what th hell is this drating poo?

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    teph2112 Male 13-17
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    March 30, 2009 at 3:15 am
    Apparently biology is the only thing being argued
    Nobody dares to touch the purer sciences..
    (lol LHC)
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    JustMegawatt Male 13-17
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    March 30, 2009 at 3:22 am
    I know the video was supposed to be funny but I don`t find Christians as stupid so I didn`t find this video to be funny since I don`t know anyone who is that stupid... I mean come on, "I can sum it up in 3 words, `evolution is a lie!`" who says that?
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    Megido Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 3:23 am
    "If God was here right now and told you that you were a sinner (As we all are), I still doubt you would admit it.

    As an atheist you can do no wrong. You can suppress your guilt and redefine your morals, As it stands right now. No matter what you do, You can justify it through whatever means."

    Yes oh wise one, youa re right, i`m a dirty sinner with no sense of morals or ethics. Honestly, gtfo, your reasoning is so flawed it`s not even funny anymore.

    "Given no time restraints, what is the probability of God evolving? Mechanically, Biologically or Physically? Could humanity ever create something "godly"?"
    The probability of god evolving is zero because something super natural couldn`t possibly be a product of the laws of physics. Humanity might get to the point where technology would make it seem godlike to a person today, but actually attaining omnipotence and omniscience...nope, not gonna happen ever i think. No matter how long evolution goes on i

  184. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 3:25 am
    Purer sciences? Hey I was doing some math earlier. Does that mean I win?

  185. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 30, 2009 at 3:31 am
    Megido: "Yes oh wise one, youa re right, i`m a dirty sinner with no sense of morals or ethics. Honestly, gtfo, your reasoning is so flawed it`s not even funny anymore."

    I didn`t call you that specifically, I said "As we all are"

    Also, I didn`t say you have "no sense of morals or ethics". I believe you do have some sense of morals and ethics, But that you can, And probably have, Chang(ed) them to fit your own view.

    Was merely stating, My belief, That no amount of evidence would sway you.

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 30, 2009 at 3:36 am
    Baalthazaq:

    That could go full circle with these additions:

    __Mathematicians___<__Philosophers__<__Sociologists

  187. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 3:37 am
    Megido:
    You`re assuming supernatural, which is not necessarily a description of God.

    You`re assuming Omnipotence and Omniscience, which, whilst common in theology, may be redefined or ignored. (Some theology suggests "Maximum power", some "Infinite Power", some "Can do anything". Those are three entirely different concepts.)

    Can humanity have ever created something capable of becoming, from dictionary.com: God 1. The one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe.

    The only real change I`m making is I`m saying *a* universe, not *the* universe for the purposes of this discussion. (I.e. We assume God comes from a previous Universe prior to ours).

    As I said before, I don`t agree with all of the above. I`m merely trying to condense something far more complex into <900 characters.

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    Megido Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 3:40 am
    "I didn`t call you that specifically, I said "As we all are"

    Also, I didn`t say you have "no sense of morals or ethics". I believe you do have some sense of morals and ethics, But that you can, And probably have, Chang(ed) them to fit your own view.

    Was merely stating, My belief, That no amount of evidence would sway you."

    If you could prove to me that God exists, and i mean proof, not just some rhetoric or gaps in science, i`d have no reason to doubt. Also you don`t follow the bible 100% either, you pick and choose what bits are morally upright and you choose not to throw rocks at people who work on sundays, even though the old testament clearly says you should.

  189. Profile photo of SarahJ86
    SarahJ86 Female 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 3:46 am
    "As an atheist you can do no wrong. You can suppress your guilt and redefine your morals, As it stands right now. No matter what you do, You can justify it through whatever means."

    Sorry if i`m taking this out of context as I have just jumped into your convo, but i completely disagree.

    I agree in the sense that atheists can redefine their morals, pretty much as they see fit if they wanted to. However, to me there is something special about the morality held by athiests.

    I have very strong morals. I have no reason to hold them or act on them other than for the very reason that I think they are right and good. I do not act on them because I feel that God tells me I must, or to ensure I get a spot in heaven. The intent behind my actions are purely to be `good` to people. Not out of fear of God.

    Now, of course you could argue that God plays a part. You could argue im born with these inherent beliefs (because God put them there), or because I learned them from Christian...

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    SarahJ86 Female 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 3:49 am
    ... society.

    However, I can`t help but feel that if an athiest has good morals and principles, then maybe it is worth more than if the same morals are held by Christians? I choose to live this way, knowing (or feeling) that there would be no negative consequences if I didn`t. Christians know there would be.

    Maybe..

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    Megido Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 3:51 am
    Bazlthazaq: A god with no supernatural properties is not much of a god though. With the supernatural element gone he is just a product of the laws of physics and as such couldn`t have created the universe out of nothing. For such a god to even exist i think you`d have to accept some sort of multiverse. But then again this is all based on what i currently know, perhaps we`ll discover how matter was/is created in the future.

    As always i fall back to the argument that a complex being like god can`t be the origin, it`s way too unlikely. Even given the infinite amount of tries it doesn`t matter because if there is something to try it in then God isn`t the creator because there was something there to create him to begin with.

  192. Profile photo of Gasser
    Gasser Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 3:52 am
    CrakrJak, your right, morals in the world are heavily influenced by the structure of the society we live in. Christianity has had a big influence in the western world and thus we are all influenced in our beliefs of right and wrong by Christian teachings. However, to say that this is the only source, and that this source is concrete in every way is to be quite frank silly. What were, for example, the moral codes BC. They still existed, people thought that killing was wrong, Christianity just codified morality which already existed.

    Also you say that you do not do things because of fear of punishment, but assume that without that fear atheists will immediately believe that killing is right? Please explain this further as I would like to hear your opinion on why you feel non-Christians are more likely to be immoral.

  193. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 30, 2009 at 3:52 am
    Megido: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.." Also, Luke 6:37,38

    Basically, Don`t judge or punish people, Unless you are willing to be judged by the same standard and receive the same punishment if you fail.

    In more layman terms, Don`t make unfair laws or punishments.

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    RedBrother Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 3:53 am
    lol. religious people are stupid
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 3:58 am
    This was taken from FSTDT, a great website.

    On another note, we don`t follow Christian morals. If we did, we`d execute children who disrespect or hit their parents (Exo 21:15, Lev 20:9), girls who aren`t virgins on their wedding night (Deut 22:20), and all the inhabitants of a town in which one person worships another god (Deut 13:12).

    I would much prefer that people base morals off of social responsbilities rather than `Don`t do it because God says so.`

  196. Profile photo of Megido
    Megido Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 4:01 am
    "In more layman terms, Don`t make unfair laws or punishments."
    Perhaps that rule should be applied to God as well.
  197. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 30, 2009 at 4:09 am
    SarahJ86: I`m not saying that atheists have no morals, That would be a very rare case (Some do exist however).

    What I`m condensing down is what Gasser just wrote, Although I specified religion not Christianity. As well well know Christianity and Islam both are sourced from Judaism with differing revisions.

    The fear I stated about atheists was their fear of some random event ruining them, For believers there are no random coincidences because of their faith. No fear of death, Only Hope.

    Yoda was right, Fear leads to anger, Anger to hate, Hate to suffering. And I`d add... Suffering leads to death.

  198. Profile photo of Megido
    Megido Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 4:12 am
    "The fear I stated about atheists was their fear of some random event ruining them, For believers there are no random coincidences because of their faith. No fear of death, Only Hope."
    We could look at it in another way too; believers are the ones that are afraid and therefore try to cover the fear with a belief in some godly big brother looking out for them.
  199. Profile photo of Gasser
    Gasser Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 4:14 am
    I`m not sure I understand you, you are afraid of atheists because you think they are afraid of random events?

    Personally I have no fear of random events as I have no control over them. The lovely old phrases, poo happens, and if it can go wrong it will go wrong. Oh and I`m not actually afraid of death, of dying perhaps but death certainly not.

  200. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 30, 2009 at 4:18 am
    catbarf: Couldn`t help but notice your sourcing all that from the old testament, aka old Judaism moral laws. That was a maze of laws and judgments that no one could live by today, And those are NOT Christian morals.

    Modern Jews do not enact those laws, Although some extremist Islamists do.

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    Megido Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 4:26 am
    "Modern Jews do not enact those laws, Although some extremist Islamists do."
    Further proving that some source outside of religion tells us what is right and wrong :P
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    RedBrother Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 4:27 am
    how feckin stupid and gullible does one have to be to believe in a god/gods or other magic people/beings.
  203. Profile photo of SarahJ86
    SarahJ86 Female 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 4:28 am
    CrakrJak - i think maybe that is a generalisation, i certainly wouldn`t agree about the fear of a random event. However, I can understand that by a certain logic religious people would certainly have no fear because of the will of god. So i can see where you would get that from.

    That lack of fear is dangerous, i feel. It is healthy to have a fear. Take climate change for example. It seems that religions (i have only looked at Islam and some Christian (evangelical) churches on this issue - have an un-healthy lack of concern for climate change. It either is not happening, or it is the will of God and so we should not try to counter it. Views like that could ultimately prove devastating.

    Perhaps it is good to have a certain amount of fear. It keeps people striving to improve things.

  204. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 4:28 am
    Megido:
    I`m not talking about a Multiverse, I`m talking effectively about a Cyclic Model of the Universe like the one posited by Einstein in the 1930s.

    Again however, you`re adding things to God and then refuting them.

    Created the universe from nothing.
    "From nothing" has been added. It is not necessary.

    Other than that, you can make arguments that:
    Omniscience is possible, assuming there is a finite number of things to be known.
    Universe creation is also potentially possible.

    Finally, as for a "natural God" to be unimpressive, I don`t see why.

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 30, 2009 at 4:30 am
    Gasser: No, How did you get "you are afraid of atheists because you think they are afraid of random events" Out of what I said ?

    I don`t fear anyone or anything, That doesn`t mean I can`t be surprised or startled however.
    Christians love God, But not out of fear. Fear kills hope and love. Does that make sense to you ?

    Megido: And it`s not a cover up.

  206. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 4:35 am
    Let me just add... saying as the debate has turned more introspective all of a sudden. One of the biggest problems for Atheists trying to convert me while I was more involved in my debates, was their inability to get my psychology.

    I didn`t have a psychological need for God.
    I was not afraid of disappearing.
    I was not afraid of hell.
    I was not chasing heaven.

    Every time an atheist tried to psychoanalyze me, whether derogatorily (You`re just afraid! You can`t handle the truth!), or somewhat positively (Perhaps you`re just optimistic and would prefer a heaven?), they were universally off the mark.

    I simply find it more reasonable. I`m *that* boring.

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    pandapoi Male 18-29
    21 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 4:37 am
    I don`t think I could have woken up to a better video.

    A girl in my high school once spazzed in some class because she didn`t believe that space exists. Doesn`t believe in dinosaurs, either. It`s very far-fetched, but she boiled it all down to her steadfast belief in god.

    Religious debate isn`t really my deal, but this video does make some points. It`s strange, though. Most of the extremely smart guys I know are athiest. The problem is that they are also christian-bashers. I agree with them completely, but there`s no reason they can`t have their beliefs without imposing on another`s. As much as they complain about persecution, they are engaging in it just as harshly.

    When I hear someone make a comment like in this video, I simply smile and say, "Oh, you."

  208. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 30, 2009 at 4:41 am
    SarahJ86: Please don`t get me on the subject of "climate change". I can cite many scientific reasons why it`s not linked to CO2 or mankind, If it exists at all.

    It has nothing to do with religion.

  209. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 4:43 am
    Let me also add... I`m not certain there`s a God. I do believe there is one.

    I don`t think people understand that either. "How can you be sure?!". I`m not. I`m also not sure if I`ll be coming to the UK this year, but I can believe, reasonably, that I will out of what I know.

    I do not need to prove it conclusively to choose that over the concept that I won`t go to the UK this year.

    I can`t really prove it to anyone in here "beyond any reasonable doubt!" because there is some. That doesn`t negate it being a reasonable conclusion.

  210. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 30, 2009 at 4:45 am
    SarahJ86: "Perhaps it is good to have a certain amount of fear. It keeps people striving to improve things."

    I find it preferable to do things out of Faith Hope and Love, Not Fear.

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    Vhreio Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2009 at 4:46 am
    Can someone explain why they look so smug?
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    makkaal Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 4:49 am
    "Christians love God, But not out of fear. Fear kills hope and love. Does that make sense to you?"

    To me it doesn`t, TBH, because the key ingredient to Christian faith, (I`m leaving out forgiveness and altruism on purpose to make a point) is fear of punishment, namely Hell. There are fewer people who follow the 10 Commandments out of love than those who abide by them because they will experience hell if they don`t.
    I`m sorry, but I`ve met too many Christians to believe your claim that they love God not out of fear.
    I`m not saying what you say fundamentally untrue, but you shouldn`t generalize.

    And I don`t get why you`d think that Atheists are afraid. If we were, we would most likely be Theists to find comfort in faith. Nobody with a healthy mind would freely choose fear over comfort.
    "No fear of death, Only Hope."
    Good word. There is no reason to be afraid of death, however the idea of eternal life actually repels me. What would I want that for? I ha

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    SarahJ86 Female 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 4:52 am
    "SarahJ86: Please don`t get me on the subject of "climate change". I can cite many scientific reasons why it`s not linked to CO2 or mankind, If it exists at all...has nothing to do with religion".

    I rest my case. You say it has nothing to do with religion, but it seems to be the Christian scientists who are the ones making the theories/arguments and finding the stats to support that case. I won`t get you started on it. I understand its a pointless argument to get in to.

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    Lycrian Male 13-17
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    March 30, 2009 at 4:53 am
    is this guy serious
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    Rhasputin Female 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 4:57 am
    This can`t be serious. Lol.

    "Let me sum it up in three words! Evolution(1) is(2) a(3) lie(4)"

    I`m pretty sure they`re trying to parody real creationists. :P

  216. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 30, 2009 at 4:57 am
    makkaal: Maybe some people do believe through fear, I believe (and the bible backs it up) that fear is the wrong motivation. Faith, Love And Hope is what Christianity is all about.

    1st Corinthians 13

  217. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 30, 2009 at 5:03 am
    SarahJ86: I believe the whole issue of climate change is an attempt to motivate people through fear. As I`ve said before, That is not a good motivation.

    Fear is used as a way to control people, They become griped by it and can`t let it go. It makes them do things that violate their own morals. It can be as hard to break as a drug habit.

  218. Profile photo of TalcumX
    TalcumX Male 50-59
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    March 30, 2009 at 5:03 am
    Religion is simply a moral compass to help to guide SOME people through life. If it helps them deal with everyday issues in a manner that does not interfere with others, then good for them. If I prefer to exercise the right to not subscribe to their point of view, that is the path which I have chosen. So be it.

    See, it`s that easy.

  219. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 5:03 am
    Sarah:
    I don`t think it`s fair to rest your case on climate change with Crakr`s dislike of Climate Change science.

    I happen to disagree with him on the matter, however, I think that is an American problem, not a theist or Christian one.

    You have to take into consideration that in the US, the Republicans are the "religious party", so Christians have a tendency to side with them. as such, a lot of Republican ideals have found their way into American Christianity.

    The only advocate I know of the Right to own Guns in the UK is an Atheist, all Christians I know are against it. Would you agree that is the case, and that the opposite is somewhat true of the United States?

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    jimbobsthebe Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 5:06 am
    Baalthazaq, do you mind me asking you whether you think you would have believed in a God if your parents hadn`t taught you there was one?
  221. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 30, 2009 at 5:08 am
    Baalthazaq: Those things, come from our constitution. And yes, Most American Christians hold that document as nearly sacred as the Bible.
  222. Profile photo of Jeski
    Jeski Female 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 5:15 am
    This is a really touchy subject...

    In all honesty I think we all have our beliefs, and some people choose not to believe in anything, and it shouldn`t be up to anyone to judge them.
    After all, doesn`t Jesus teach us in the Bible to not judge, and to "love one another, as I have loved you."

    Food for thought.
    Evolution ftw :D

  223. Profile photo of Gluggr
    Gluggr Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 5:21 am
    Belief in science is just as much a belief as Christianity is. Which means it`s just as good as any other Religion...

    That`s why I am a proud evoultionloving leftwing socialist hellgoing Atheist :)

  224. Profile photo of kronosbr
    kronosbr Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 5:24 am
    its just as easy for god (that supreme being) to have created earth with all those characteristics to lure us mere humans to think its billions years old...

    if you accept that hes allknowing and capable of doing anything, he could have created earth 20 years ago and made an entire history behind it so we living now would perceive the world as older...

    you gotta understand that faith is the keyword.

    i am catholic, 95% of the 188million people in Brazil are christians, and no one teaches creationism in our schools.

    i accept the theory of evolucionism in a way and that does not affect my faith in God and in Jesus whatsoever.

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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2009 at 5:26 am
    Before I say the following, just so everyone understands that I am an Atheist and think most religious stuff is pretty ridiculous.

    With that said, this is a very funny video that proves absolutely nothing. It would be exactly the same if a Christian made a video depicting some of the dumb, uneducated things that *some Atheists say.

    Can you imagine if I made a video with people articulating word-for-word some of the stupid crap that some people say on IAB? It would not mean that all IAB people are ridiculous.

    This video proves absolutely nothing which would probably mean you`re wasting all your collective breaths by arguing about it. But, by all means let`s keep flaming.

    -Dons black robes, wizard hat and flame-shield.

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    jimbobsthebe Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 5:31 am
    splurbyburbl, actually I disagree. I don`t think that most Christians hold the views represented in the video, but many fundamentalist Christians will. If you are going to take the bible as word for word truth then your beliefs are going to be ridiculous.
  227. Profile photo of Nataly
    Nataly Female 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 5:33 am
    I`m not going to discuss every single quote used in the video, just a few notes. First, I hate all this "fear leads to moral behaviour" thing because it is just not true - from any point of view, including materialistic one; and I especially hate to hear it coming from so-called Christians for, so to say, hell-based motivation is not even medieval, it`s Old Testament, okay? Christianity is about love, and following commandments must result from love and trust, not fear - the latter is a slave`s stimulus.
    Second, it was sad to hear another flow of paranoiac absurd about people turning to absolute evil instantly after rejecting God, persecution of Christians etc. If that`s the way most religious American people reason these days I`m not surprised the society on whole seems to be tired of religion. Gosh, get all secular, please, this is just the right epoch! So the next time Christianity returns (if it does), it will be accepted by those who need it sanely and properly.
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    Nataly Female 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 5:36 am
    (Free to ignore my last two sentences, that`s just my personal overview, I know, it`s disputable)

    Didn`t read the comments, sorry, if I repeated someone`s thoughts.

  229. Profile photo of splurbyburbl
    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2009 at 5:58 am
    "splurbyburbl, actually I disagree. I don`t think that most Christians hold the views represented in the video, but many fundamentalist Christians will. If you are going to take the bible as word for word truth then your beliefs are going to be ridiculous."

    Just when I think I managed to say something that was pretty well-balanced, someone has to go and pick it all apart.

    Let me be more clear then. If any video were to come out depicting any culture (micro or macro), sub-culture, demographic, club, group, cult, forum or otherwise, in a derogatory manner... it would probably mean (such as in this case) that the creator is purposefully taking the "worst" of that demogrphic so as to show how dumb the entire demographic is. In so doing would be creating a fallacy or in other words... propaganda so to speak. There are different degrees of Fundamentalist Christians wether it makes sense or not.

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    bardockjerms Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2009 at 5:59 am
    Did anyone else get reminded of Zoolander by that last dude?
  231. Profile photo of kronosbr
    kronosbr Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 6:02 am
    its just as easy for god (that supreme being) to have created earth with all those characteristics to lure us mere humans to think its billions years old...

    if you accept that hes allknowing and capable of doing anything, he could have created earth 20 years ago and made an entire history behind it so we living now would perceive the world as older...

    you gotta understand that faith is the keyword.

    i am catholic, 95% of the 188million people in Brazil are christians, and no one teaches creationism in our schools.

    i accept the theory of evolucionism in a way and that does not affect my faith in God and in Jesus whatsoever.

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    Metcon Male 13-17
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    March 30, 2009 at 6:06 am
    The DNA part made me laugh with pleasure.
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    SyXxlunatic Male 13-17
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    March 30, 2009 at 6:15 am
    And this, my children, is how wars are started.
    and on a similar note, I am staying away from this discussion.
  234. Profile photo of SyXxlunatic
    SyXxlunatic Male 13-17
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    March 30, 2009 at 6:21 am
    Also, this is not directed towards Agnostics too, rite?
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    jimbobsthebe Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 6:39 am
    splurbyburbl, again I disagree (because your doing a good job trying to resolve this ridiculous on going debate and it is in my nature to be... well... annoying).

    But seriously though, you are assuming that there is a `worst` opinion within a demographic which will be used as a method of deterring others from this demographic. However, fundamentalism does not allow for best and worst opinions as all opinions will be directly extracted from the exact wording of the bible. This doesn`t allow much room for a "worst" percent of that demographic.

  236. Profile photo of splurbyburbl
    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2009 at 6:55 am
    Jimbob... dude, I see that you are not wearing your flame-shield. Because I am wearing mine, whatever you say really just doesn`t matter... It is therefore proof, that I am right and you are most definitely wrong on this particular matter and any matter that comes along in the future. Unless of course you choose to get your own flame-shield which I will be happy to sell to you at a mark up of 200%. Offer lasts for the next ten minutes in which case after ten minutes the price goes up and extra 15% per minute thereafter.

    I think I cleared this matter up nicely, now moving on...

    :)

  237. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 7:12 am
    Jimbob, my parents didn`t teach me there was one.
    MY mother is agnostic. My father was absent throughout my formative years. (He worked in Dubai, while my Mother was in the UK with me and her family).

    So I think I can safely answer that question with a yes. I started out life agnostic, like my mother.

    Also Jimbob: Please show me where in the Bible, the reference to DNA melting you is. Thanks.

  238. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 7:23 am
    Crakr:
    "Baalthazaq: Those things, come from our constitution. And yes, Most American Christians hold that document as nearly sacred as the Bible."

    I know, and I agree, but I think that`s a problem. Separation of church and state was meant for two reasons. To protect the state, but also to protect religion.

    I think in America right now, you are hurting Christianity by applying so much of your politics and pulling it into the religious field.

    Irrespective of your personal beliefs on gun control, or climate change, I think you are doing a disservice to God by tying them with religion.

    Having said that, you did say it had nothing to do with religion, and I commend you on that, but your comment to me does suggest a certain amount of pride in linking the two. Unfairly on behalf on non-American Christians.

  239. Profile photo of Pelso
    Pelso Female 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 7:31 am
    "I can sum it up in 3 words: evolution is a lie!" way to go XD math fail! lmao
  240. Profile photo of Center706
    Center706 Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 7:46 am
    Congrats Little Miss "QT"...you`ve caused yet another stupid debate by stupid people over a topic that will never get resolved.

    I would just like to announce to IAB, I HAVE TAKEN RAPTOR JESUS AS MY LORD. I encourage you all to do the same, before its to late.

  241. Profile photo of DarthJay
    DarthJay Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2009 at 7:47 am
    Ugh.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 7:50 am
    It sounds great! I can`t wait.
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    DarthJay Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2009 at 7:51 am
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 7:56 am
    Baal: "I simply find it more reasonable. I`m *that* boring."

    Fair enough.
    What made you pick Islam in particular then? What made it more reasonable than any other religion?

    I`m genuinely curious, because as you said, you were raised in the UK, so I`d have thought you would have had most exposure to Christianity.

  245. Profile photo of kairobert
    kairobert Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 8:05 am
    "Belief in science is just as much a belief as Christianity is. Which means it`s just as good as any other Religion..."

    Actually, science is not a belief. It is a method of acquiring truth through thorough experiments and logic. It is the theories that you can choose to believe in or not. I choose to believe the most proven theories because they are far more sensible than any religion.

  246. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 8:17 am
    There`s a lot of personal experience I`m drawing on here, which is why I don`t generally use it in debate. Personal experience is not necessarily an argument anyone but you should accept.

    I did have more exposure to Christianity.
    My reasoning behind picking Islam was because after some exposure to Christianity I found myself saying "Ok, this makes sense, but this here does not".

    When I found out more about Islam I then realised that my belief structure had more in common with Islam than with Christianity. (Belief in God, without the belief in a Trinity for example. Belief in Christ, but not the belief he was the son of God, nor God.)

    Essentially, I was virtually a Muslim before I heard of Islam, and that made me come to the conclusion that it was a sign that it was in part correct.

    I mostly hold that Islam is effectively the most accurate religion. Though still imperfect.

  247. Profile photo of Litheran
    Litheran Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 8:29 am
    There are bound to be some christians on here who see the movie and go like YEAHHHH TRUE DAT?!?!?!!!!
  248. Profile photo of SarahJ86
    SarahJ86 Female 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 8:38 am
    CrakrJak- I happen to agree with you that it is being used and exaggerated as a tool to motivate people. I just don`t think that is a bad thing. I also believe that we are making it worse (but neither of us wants to discuss that!!)

    Baalth- You are right, it wasn`t fair. I am not saying that it is a religious matter as such. But what I meant to do was show that sometimes certain religious groups - through their lack of fear, or through their trust in God`s will - can possibly become unmotivated and apathetic.

    Of course, I dont mean to say that is true of religious people across the board; or not true of atheists. Merely, a healthy `fear` or worry about something can be a good thing.

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    BrimstoneOne Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2009 at 8:39 am
    wow, are fundamentalists really this stupid?
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    BrimstoneOne Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2009 at 8:42 am
    fundamentalist= fun to be mental is t

    lol

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    lukas1051 Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 8:47 am
    I think debating on a comment board is pathetic. Whether you win or lose, in real life you still lose.

    I love how any video about religion or politics gets hundreds of comments, mostly from the same people "debating" with each other.

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    BrimstoneOne Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2009 at 8:49 am
    I was raised to believe that fear is the cause of pain, ignorance, and suffering. Which I have observed is perpetrated by many a religious leader. So fear is never truly a `good thing`.
  253. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 8:50 am
    Oh yeah, well Atheists are just proponents of Txtspk!

    A the is t.

    A "the" is NOT t! I refuse to remain silent!

  254. Profile photo of SarahJ86
    SarahJ86 Female 18-29
    495 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 8:52 am
    "I think debating on a comment board is pathetic. Whether you win or lose, in real life you still lose".

    Because learning about views different from your own, or discussing issues which you find interesting is a waste of time? Now don`t worry I`m not trying to start a debate with you here!

  255. Profile photo of BrimstoneOne
    BrimstoneOne Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2009 at 8:52 am
    yeah, but lukas this relieves boredom, that some have more than others
  256. Profile photo of varnsen
    varnsen Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2009 at 8:53 am
    Hilarious! Oh wait, they`re real-life comments from Christians? Scary!
  257. Profile photo of BrimstoneOne
    BrimstoneOne Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2009 at 8:54 am
    What is `Txtspk`?
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    woomanfoo Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 9:06 am
    Am I the only one who noticed the fact that there IS no text in this video? I know what they mean, but still...
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    malikymoo Female 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 9:10 am
    lmao
    oh silly people
  260. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 9:10 am
    Text speak, the language used in text messaging.

    Lol c u 2 nite.

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    varnsen Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2009 at 9:22 am
    `"Belief in science is just as much a belief as Christianity is. Which means it`s just as good as any other Religion..."

    Actually, science is not a belief. It is a method of acquiring truth through thorough experiments and logic. It is the theories that you can choose to believe in or not. I choose to believe the most proven theories because they are far more sensible than any religion.`


    I agree. Scientific method isn`t a `thing` to be believed in or not. It`s a means to obtaining truth. It goes like this:

    1. Create an abstract theory to explain phenomena.
    2. Experiment/research to gather evidence to support or negate this theory.
    3. If no evidence is found, modify the theory.
    4. Repeat ad infinitum until truth is found.

    Religion is simply taking the first step (create an abstract theory), without worrying whether it`s true or not.

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    heavenly15 Female 13-17
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    March 30, 2009 at 9:26 am
    Heh :D
  263. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 9:30 am
    I agree Varnsen, Science is an epistemology you can either agree with, or not. Not a belief.

    However, I disagree that Religion is taking an abstract theory and that is it. Religions die and morph, in a very abstract form you could call it knowledge by evolution at the very least.

    Another way of looking at it however if you know your programming is DFS vs BFS. With religion being the depth first search.

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    _Perfection_ Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 9:33 am
    I was going to comment on the nature of this video, and then I saw that there were 265 comments already
  265. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 9:39 am
    Perfection:
    I read everything... I think several of my screws are a little undone.
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    hipolvr Female 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 9:47 am
    varnsen
    "Actually, science is not a belief. It is a method of acquiring truth through thorough experiments and logic."
    give me one experiment done on evolution that has proven it to be true
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    Boredx12 Female 13-17
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    March 30, 2009 at 9:49 am
    Nicely done, fundamentalists.
    I may or may not see you in hell, depending on which of us is right and to what extent.
  268. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 9:54 am
    Hipolyr:

    Take any soap that claims to kill 99% of germs.
    Take germs.
    Use soap on germs.

    Wait for population to repopulate.
    Repeat.

    This basic experiment demonstrates the basics of evolution in action over short periods of time. You then extrapolate from this data (and other data), and you get evolution.

    To ask anyone to prove anything outside the scope of pure mathematics is futile, but this is a strong demonstration of evolution at work. There are plenty of other examples ranging from fossil and carbon dating, to the very basic reactions that animals have, and logical interpretation of that data.

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    alice_x Female 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 10:07 am
    omg i missed the religious flamewar? NUAOOOOOoooooOOOOOOooooo
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 10:12 am
    This video is boring. Furthermore most of the world already is ruled by Atheists. ...or at least Agnostics.
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    frumgf Female 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 10:42 am
    haha yay that was amazing :D
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    hyybrucewayn Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 10:51 am
    YES. that was awesome. and I would argue your point, lazyme. what part of the world is run by atheists or agnostics? America isn`t. Would that it was, unfortunately, America is still run by Christians.
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    Frankii Female 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 11:01 am
    Why the hell would an atheist family necessarily have NO morals? Regardless of religion, society would still have evolved (like other things) along with rules and laws. Plus, the whole "killing Christians" thing has already happened. In Rome. Which, if I remember rightly, was particularly religious albeit not a Christian community. Mad creationists, most Christians don`t believe in the creation story.
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    SpoonFork Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2009 at 11:03 am
    You can always go to China or Russia, hyy. Heard they`re great places.
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    hyybrucewayn Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 11:08 am
    that`s the joke Frank. *some* fundamentalists argue that the only reason humans are *at times* decent to each other is because God told us to, not because it has anything to do with creating and maintaining a stable community of individuals.

    as for your second point, Rome was actually the first Christian society. they were at first "pagan," worshipping a number of specified deities, (you know, Zeus, Apollo, and all those Roman and Greek gods,) but one of their emperors (was it Constantine?) switched the whole empire into a Christian empire, which essentially put into motion the events leading to a largely Christian dominated world, thousands of years later.

    Im gonna go ahead and say it, "Christianity is a thousand year fad"

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    hyybrucewayn Male 18-29
    203 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 11:09 am
    good point, spoon. I heard China`s on the up and up
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    slayer50515 Male 18-29
    988 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 11:11 am
    "This video is boring. Furthermore most of the world already is ruled by Atheists. ...or at least Agnostics. "
    Agnosticism is FTW.
    I really dont "reject" god like athiests usually do. I believe that any person can believe whatever they wish, as long as it doesn`t infringe upon other peoples quality of life :)
    I think that as long as we drop our hatred for differences, we can live in eternal peace (however this is impossible :[ )
  278. Profile photo of SPrinkZ
    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 11:37 am
    Baaltha,

    You are so stupid it`s baffling. Atheists are not joined by anything other than a passive position. There is nothing dogmatic about it. You really are incredibly stupid and most of the time I keep my mouth shut when you`re posting around here, but I have to put my foot down. You need to stop acting like you know what you`re talking about. You perpetuate the stereotype that atheists even CARE about religion. You perpetuate the ignorant statement that atheism is a religion. And honestly I can`t just sit around letting people like you deluge their weak imaginations with your bullsh*t. You`re clearly an intelligent person, but your thoughts are based on personal experience, not on actual facts. Don`t confuse the two.

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    TopperHey Male 18-29
    1930 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 11:51 am
    The only difference fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalist Muslims is that most fundamentalists Christians speak English, and are therefore hilarious.
  280. Profile photo of catbarf
    catbarf Male 18-29
    1455 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 12:09 pm
    "Agnosticism is FTW.
    I really dont "reject" god like athiests usually do. I believe that any person can believe whatever they wish, as long as it doesn`t infringe upon other peoples quality of life :)"

    Actually, you are by definition an agnostic atheist. Gnosticism pertains to knowledge, theism to belief. Since you don`t believe in God, you`re atheistic, but since you don`t claim to know that God doesn`t exist, you`re agnostic.

    "catbarf: Couldn`t help but notice your sourcing all that from the old testament, aka old Judaism moral laws. That was a maze of laws and judgments that no one could live by today, And those are NOT Christian morals. "

    Look up Matthew 5:17 and 5:18, Luke 16:17, 2 Timothy 3:16, John 10:35, and compare the regulations on slavery in 1 Peter 2:18 to those in the OT. Then please come back and try to argue that you`re not supposed to follow the OT.

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    Hansbo Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 12:13 pm
    Man, did that make me laugh! "Why are there gay men? Oh I wanted to watch. I wanted to watch gay men have sex."
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    robrobrob125 Male 13-17
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    March 30, 2009 at 12:17 pm
    The acting in this was ftw- I could feel that these people thought they were right. Made me laugh.
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    nlcs Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 12:19 pm
    "Scary isn`t it?"
    Sounded delightful to me actually.
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    Faith13HF Male 13-17
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    March 30, 2009 at 12:20 pm
    Define "Rule the world", please. ._.
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    KOLLO Female 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 12:20 pm
    i must say they are right. i frequently leave my house to burn christians at the stake in my cloak. or, you know. not. whatever. B-|
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    Havenshill Female 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 12:21 pm
    Freakin` hilarious!

    Loved every minute of that :-D

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    karatechckn Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 12:36 pm
    Baal,the mechanisms of mutation and natural selection aid bacteria populations in becoming resistant to antibiotics. However, mutation and natural selection also result in bacteria with defective proteins that have lost their normal functions. Evolution requires a gain of functional systems for bacteria to evolve into man—functioning arms, eyeballs, and a brain, to name a few. Mutation and natural selection, thought to be the driving forces of evolution, only lead to a loss of functional systems. Therefore, antibiotic resistance of bacteria is not an example of evolution in action but rather variation within a bacterial kind.
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    Squab27 Male 13-17
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    March 30, 2009 at 12:54 pm
    That was great.
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    FecesinVCR Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 1:08 pm
    Faith13HF

    "Define "Rule the world", please. ._."


    Having a lower divorce rate...

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    maddices Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 1:19 pm
    lol christains say Atheists are hippocritical.
  291. Profile photo of Zombiemike
    Zombiemike Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 1:29 pm
    These guys are lumping all christians into one biased brain damaged category. There`s a difference between a well though claim and just picking on a religion because a few choice morons decided to make rediculous claims about God and science. In my opinion they`re bringing themselves down to the same level of idiocracy as the people who made these statements in the first place.
  292. Profile photo of hyybrucewayn
    hyybrucewayn Male 18-29
    203 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 1:42 pm
    I think you missed the point, zombie. They aren`t lumping all christians together, just fundamentalist christians. I don`t know the exact definition, but I understand fundamentalist christians to be, basically, literalists. every word in the bible is the word of God, and therefor indisputable.

    THESE are the people being made fun of. rightfully so, in my opinion. You can be a good Christian and still believe in evolution. You can be a good christian and still read and follow the bible. But when you start throwing poisonous snakes at babies because it is in the bible,(check out the documentary called "Holy Ghost People") you basically open your specific faith to criticism and ridicule.

  293. Profile photo of JimboH
    JimboH Male 30-39
    603 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 1:46 pm
    Some of my fellow Christians are crazy.
  294. Profile photo of fianzo
    fianzo Male 18-29
    72 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 1:51 pm
    "Baal,the mechanisms of mutation and natural selection aid bacteria populations in becoming resistant to antibiotics. However, mutation and natural selection also result in bacteria with defective proteins that have lost their normal functions. Evolution requires a gain of functional systems for bacteria to evolve into man—functioning arms, eyeballs, and a brain, to name a few. Mutation and natural selection, thought to be the driving forces of evolution, only lead to a loss of functional systems. Therefore, antibiotic resistance of bacteria is not an example of evolution in action but rather variation within a bacterial kind."

    WRONG, so very wrong, variation is the driving force of evolution so you can`t say it`s rather variation within a bacterial kind not evolution as the two are not exclusive. Now as for mutations cause loss of function, the great majority probably do in haploid cells(i.e one copy of each chromosome) less so in diploid cells. However these cells w

  295. Profile photo of fianzo
    fianzo Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 1:57 pm
    will either die or be less sucessful and therefore not produce as many offspring or copies or just be outcompeted by other bacteria, however the ones that have favourable mutations, it may mean something as simple as a protein has a higher affinity for its substate. And you can say that to evolve you need to grow arms but what stops us having two sets of arms, in drosophila they can easily grow an extra set of arms instead of antennas. This is caused by one protein motor not working correctly and BAM new set of arms, a lot of complicated reactions utelise proteins and substrates from simplier pathways and you can see how they would have evolved from these in simple sets as not all variation simply goes from 0 to reaction in one step you can easily have sleeper mutations passed on as they dont have a positive or negative effect then some of these can interact. The most important thing to remember when thinking of evolution is timescale as BILLIONS of years is just a phrase but when you.
  296. Profile photo of fianzo
    fianzo Male 18-29
    72 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 1:58 pm
    actually think how long that is almost anything is possible, from the very beginings of life to the even when procaryotic cells became compartmentalised and took up other cells to become complex machines, each event only had to happen ONCE so although each step in evolution is unlikey if you wait long enough it is inevitable.
  297. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
    12140 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 2:09 pm
    vv Holy Molecular Biochemistry Batman!
  298. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 2:18 pm
    SprinkZ, I don`t see why it`s not Dogma, especially when the same exact phrases get passed around with the same exact connotations.

    They`re like internet memes.

    Sky Fairy, Zombie Jesus, Problem of Evil, as well as a thousand strawmen they can easily defeat with cookie cutter arguments. People who do not understand the fundamentals of any of these concepts are using them.

    Take Pascal`s Wager. If I bring it up it will be refuted (and rightly so) in seconds. If I reform it so it doesn`t apply to religion, and instead to Climate change, few even recognize it.

    These are cases where they have memorized the dogma. No more.

    Also, they are joined by more than you posit: List of secular groupings. This includes many things, including secular summer camp.

  299. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 2:23 pm
    Also consider before answering SprinkZ, in the UK, only 3% belong to a specific congregation. Consider that before arguing that atheists are not as strongly grouped.
  300. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 2:25 pm
    And TY Fianzo... I was going to say the exact same thing... only with less competence. :P
  301. Profile photo of Bekll
    Bekll Female 18-29
    1984 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 2:38 pm
    "An agnostic, is someone with a brain with the capacity to admit that they are not smart enough to comprehend the vastness of what we call the universe with certainty. Unlike theists and atheists."

    All agnostics are atheist or theist.

    Agnosticism is not a middle position.

  302. Profile photo of MrBowserPuff
    MrBowserPuff Male 13-17
    275 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 2:40 pm
    This is a joke, right? ....... RIGHT!? I`m not saying that Christians are idiots (I`m Christian), but these guys are dumb-asses. They are trying to bend things more than scientists.
  303. Profile photo of dawg13
    dawg13 Male 30-39
    1 post
    March 30, 2009 at 2:40 pm
    That is hilarious. Of course, anything looks stupid if you speak to the most ignorant people you can find. As a Christian myself, I thank God those people don`t speak for me. I do believe in evolution, btw.
  304. Profile photo of Animecha
    Animecha Male 18-29
    147 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 2:41 pm
    Baalthazag, I find the whole "atheism is a religion" claim to be a stretch when by the same token absolutely any belief or philosophy that invokes debate would also need to be called a religion. People who have hobbies or come together to share ideals does not constitute a religion simply because they work together to accomplish something. Fighting for breast cancer awareness isn`t a religion for example. Call me old fashioned, but as I remember, religions exist when people feel an importance should be placed on working on getting things right spiritually and simply having a set of beliefs and coming together does not constitute a religion.
  305. Profile photo of Bekll
    Bekll Female 18-29
    1984 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 2:41 pm
    Oh, and I`m so glad this video was posted here.
  306. Profile photo of DaPalooka
    DaPalooka Female 13-17
    360 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 3:08 pm
    Hahaha... Deoxyribonucleic acid.... I got that one. I`m glad I somewhat pay attention in biology class.
  307. Profile photo of quaintness
    quaintness Male 13-17
    1086 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 3:13 pm
    Heh..
  308. Profile photo of Skankenstein
    Skankenstein Female 13-17
    177 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 3:13 pm
    Lmao, wow. xD
    The ignorance of people is troubling.
  309. Profile photo of Luistom
    Luistom Male 18-29
    133 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 3:32 pm
    Religious people that seriously believe the earth is 6000 years old makes me weep for humanity.
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    madest Male 40-49
    7378 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 3:42 pm
    Sarah Palin 2012!
  311. Profile photo of HorsesRule
    HorsesRule Female 13-17
    368 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 3:43 pm
    die Christian!
    DIEEEE!

    rofl

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    luptonicedte Male 18-29
    98 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 3:50 pm
    Haha. I love how he portrayed atheists at 2:10.

    "Hey mom! I`m to go F*ck a hooker.. " LOL
    Because people who go to church don`t, right?

    As well as "I`m going to go smoke pot..."

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    jimbobsthebe Male 18-29
    639 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 4:08 pm
    Baalthazaq, I was merely having a laugh with splurbyburbl and so please take what I said on the chin.

    Listen, your obviously a clever guy and a person who is capable of problem solving so I really don`t have any quarms with you. I was merely interested in why you have belief in a God. I know you know the arguments for and against and so it is far from my intentions to persuade you otherwise. I just personally find it extremely hard to comprehend a person of your intellect actually believing in a God. Being the man of logic and science as you are, I find it interesting as to why you believe in a God.

    Do you think it is part of the human condition to believe in a God?

    Also, do you think that if no holy scriptures were to have ever existed and the only ever teachings were atheistic (obviously hypothetical) the people would even consider a God as being a creator?

    Once again I stress that I`m not trying to be provocative. I just value your opinion as a rational `believer`.

  314. Profile photo of SparkleBabys
    SparkleBabys Male 18-29
    505 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 4:14 pm
    Sarah Palin 2012!
    Seconded.
  315. Profile photo of tazman321
    tazman321 Male 13-17
    189 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 4:30 pm
    okay, wow.
    this sounds like something sarah palin would say. as a christian, i have to say this is NOT what christianity is about. we dont STEREOTYPE others. i may not believe in evolution, but i dont believe in this. we show people what we believe is right, and its their choice whether they accept it. this, this is just offensive. again, christians dont stereotype. 1 star.
    PS: Obama 2012. Suckaz.
  316. Profile photo of BrokenlGlass
    BrokenlGlass Male 13-17
    26 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 4:38 pm
    Just because your not Christian, doesn`t mean you f*ck hookers, you`re gay, or you smoke pot, or burn people alive. I think that the people who said this are narrow minded. And you would have killed many times without God`s guidance? That means you are sick in the head.
  317. Profile photo of Fartacus
    Fartacus Female 50-59
    529 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 4:38 pm
    Never underestimate the human capacity for self-delusion.
  318. Profile photo of Jerm_Leather
    Jerm_Leather Male 18-29
    897 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 4:39 pm
    ROFL! I loved this. Also, my atheist robes aren`t black, they are sort of a smoky grey. ;-)
  319. Profile photo of Turnshroud
    Turnshroud Female 18-29
    4225 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 4:39 pm
    Haha, those deaf (the Forum fundies) fools

    Also, it seems that those Christians-again the real fundies, not the open minded guys...the liberally open minded who can change their opinions if they listen...willing to- understand nothing about psychology or evolution.

    I just want to say that marriage is more of a universal value that has existed for centuries before Christianity, before Jesus, and before Moses...if he existed. (I like to treat the Bible as more of an exaggeration than a tale if I want to analyse it, however I have not gotten the courage to actually READ one...because of embarrasme.

    If for some reaon, there WERE no religion, then at some point in time, values would still arise

  320. Profile photo of Denmarkian
    Denmarkian Male 18-29
    27 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 4:44 pm
    @tazman321: You don`t stereotype? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

    OF COURSE YOU STEREOTYPE! The minute you believe that I am different than you because I don`t believe in the existence of God and Jesus, his only Son, you have begun to paint a picture in your head about me, and it will be based on what you THINK a non-believer is like. and what you THINK is what others have TOLD YOU to think about what a non-believer is like.

    Gross generalizations about how a group of people can be expected to behave in certain situations IS STEREOTYPING.

  321. Profile photo of tazman321
    tazman321 Male 13-17
    189 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 4:49 pm
    @Denmarkian:
    look who`s stereotyping now............


    in case youre a little slow, its YOU!

  322. Profile photo of hyybrucewayn
    hyybrucewayn Male 18-29
    203 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 4:50 pm
    Ooooh, you know what? I hate to be the one to tell this to you... but god is dead. Yeah, it happened a while ago, actually, sorry.

    to quote the immortal Trent Reznor, "Your God is dead, and no one cares."

  323. Profile photo of BrokenlGlass
    BrokenlGlass Male 13-17
    26 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 4:54 pm
    And at least scientists have some evidence of Evolution. Unlike Christians who have a... book. That anyone could have written for all they know. And Christians and Atheists are each trying to get more proof for what they believe is right. Atheists getting closer: Evolution
    Christians getting closer: Jesus burnt on a piece of toast.
  324. Profile photo of habbazoot
    habbazoot
    2116 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 4:57 pm
    not gonna read the comments (already read all of the canada/US comments, not going through it again), but i will say:

    this video only shows the opinions of a small amount of christains. most christains are sane, level-headed people. notignorant morons. and i have a feeling theirs christian bashing, and i dont wanna get involved, but kindly shut the drat up (those who bash other religions)

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    habbazoot
    2116 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 4:59 pm
    one more thing:

    christians dont believe the bible word for word. half of it is teachings. all written by men who worked their opinion into it. so no, the majority of christains dont beleivbe in creationism. i believe in evolution, because thats what god wanted.

    once again, kindly shut the drat up

  326. Profile photo of Jerm_Leather
    Jerm_Leather Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 5:02 pm
    I agree with Denmarkian. Generalizations, stereotypers, and labels in general are Very harmful to one`s ability to be open minded. In my opinion religion does more to separate humanity then bring it together. Furthermore, anything that gains power through fear, manipulation and blind (i.e. unthinking) faith has the potential to be poisonous to society. I don`t actually consider myself to be atheist, just fed up with modern fundamentalism and closed mindedness in general. I believe in a higher power; just not a magical old man in the sky that watches me with contempt if I don`t make it a point to stroke its ego every second of my life. Unlike most people that cling to theological beliefs like a security blanket, I am not so arrogant as to assume that my beliefs are the only possible truth. Existence is all about discovery, and once we stop questioning we stop evolving as human beings. If any one religion was infallible, I might consider signing up. Until then, WWID.
  327. Profile photo of crimsonattck
    crimsonattck Male 18-29
    364 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 5:14 pm
    well this video is funny :D there are sure alot of people who cant understand the funniness of the video. har har har
  328. Profile photo of SWiTCH_XIII
    SWiTCH_XIII Male 13-17
    15 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 5:20 pm
    For a Christian that guy used the word F*uck alot
  329. Profile photo of Skibi
    Skibi Female 18-29
    103 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 5:30 pm
    Jerm, I never thought I`d hear such an eerily similar echo to my own personal beliefs.

    Marry me.

  330. Profile photo of tazman321
    tazman321 Male 13-17
    189 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 5:43 pm
    @Jerm Leather
    thank you for explaining your point of view. you actually gave a point of view that, while i dont agree with it, actually made a bit of sense, unkike someone else, whose name rhymes with "themsnarkian." speaking of him, here`s a little clarification to my first post: i meant that christians dont tend to make derrogatory stereotypes, or ones with no real base. for example, here`s an example: there`s a turkey sandwich. youve had turkey sandwiches before, and they tend to be delicious, so you think, "ive had turkey before, and i think that this is going to be a tasty sandwich." and........it is. thats a good stereotype. however, here`s a nonexample: a christian meets an atheist and thinks, "this guy doesnt believe in the bible. he must be a bad person." this guy probably is a good person and doesnt deserve such a judgement. also, a little side note directed at denmarkian: your rebuttal to my comment was immature. you freakin laughed at me! id
  331. Profile photo of tazman321
    tazman321 Male 13-17
    189 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 5:44 pm
    like an apology if you log back on. thank you for listening to my side. i hope you understand now.
  332. Profile photo of Skibi
    Skibi Female 18-29
    103 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 5:53 pm
    taz:

    Two things. One, good luck with that apology.

    Two, your example is flawed. While the latter (the atheist) was indeed a stereotype, the former (the sandwich) was more of a statistic.

    Going along that line, I must protest your claim. EVERYONE makes derogatory stereotypes. Yes, even the Pope. It`s human nature. There is no denying it--atheist OR Christian. It`s easy to hide your head in the sand and whine that, "No, NO! Christians are nothing but nice and sweet and kind people!" it takes true strength of character to admit flaws.

    Honestly, I`d respect someone more if they ADMITTED they had stereotypes, but chose to look past them than the ones that like to pretend they`ve never had a cross thought in their life.

  333. Profile photo of Nic210
    Nic210 Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 5:56 pm
    OOOOOOH MAN..... I CANNOT SPEAK LOL >>>> CRRRAAZZZYYYYY
  334. Profile photo of Solarmew
    Solarmew Female 18-29
    119 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 5:56 pm
    wow ... that was quite possibly the most retarded human being i`ve ever heard speak XD ... the only thing he might possibly argue is that if the theory of evolution was true, morons like him would`ve been extinct by now...
  335. Profile photo of tazman321
    tazman321 Male 13-17
    189 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 5:59 pm
    skibi:

    i never pretended not to make stereotypes. i just try to avoid them whenever possible, as do most christians. and, now that i think about it, the sandwich thing was stupid. i was just thinking about turkey. back on topic, i apologize if what i said made me come off as what you described. that wasnt my intent. i just suck at explaining things in the way i intend to. in conclusion, i stereotype. everyone does. i just ignore my stereotypes.

  336. Profile photo of Skibi
    Skibi Female 18-29
    103 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 6:11 pm
    taz: You have a stereotype that all Christians possess an inability to judge others. Exhibit A:
    "we dont STEREOTYPE others."
    Exhibit B: "again, christians dont stereotype."
    I`m sure you`ll find those quotes familiar.
    Exhibit C: Because Den mocked you, you decided he was immature and that he was making the claim that he`d never stereotyped anyone (by the way, he didn`t). You also felt he owed you an apology because he teased you, yet I noticed that you offered none of your own for your rejoinder.

    This is what`s wrong with people in general. We are so quick to take offense that we don`t notice when we offer it to others. Frankly, I`m sick of the belief that one side (atheists, Christians, Mormons, Muslims, etc) is better than the others.

    We all suck, but we just want others to admit it (though the thought to do the same never crosses our minds).

  337. Profile photo of almightybob1
    almightybob1 Male 18-29
    4290 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 6:12 pm
    hipolvr: "give me one experiment done on evolution that has proven it to be true"

    OK, here you go: fruit flies evolving in a lab to survive in normally lethally low levels of oxygen.

    From that article: "But it serves one more example (among mountains of others) of evolution being witnessed and directed under laboratory conditions."


    Happy?

  338. Profile photo of tazman321
    tazman321 Male 13-17
    189 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 6:21 pm
    okay, you win. im sorry. i was quick to judge. im a horrible person. im sorry to denmarkian, cause i guess i offended you. im sorry to skibi, cause youre mad now. but what i dont get is how do i piss everyone off by expressing my views? (okay skibi, there`s another wound for you to pick at: i cuss) i guess i made an early error in my post and was trying to cover it up. im really sorry, and, thanks to skibi, i now have no self worth. thank you iab.
  339. Profile photo of dystopia04
    dystopia04 Female 18-29
    1082 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 6:41 pm
    whether you believe in evolution, or christianity, or the flying spaghetti monster, that was funny. i know that not all christians are like that, but those guys were idiots.
  340. Profile photo of Skibi
    Skibi Female 18-29
    103 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 6:44 pm
    OK, now I`M laughing at you.

    You want to feel worthless, you go right ahead. Have fun with that.

    You want to feel like I`m angry with you and picking on you, you`re welcome to it.

    The truth of the matter is that I enjoy playing devil`s advocate. It`s a terrible fault of mine, but that doesn`t stop me from playing. I`m not angry with you, I just ask that you stop being childish.

    But don`t worry, I`m not holding my breath.

    Also, it`s not the expressing of your views that caught my interest. It`s your demands that everyone validate your own (even while they fluctuate wildly to appease the latest reasonable-sounding poster) while discounting those that aren`t covered in sugar.

    Just because it makes you angry doesn`t mean it`s wrong. Just because someone else makes sense doesn`t mean you`re wrong.

    It`s completely possible for two people of differing opinions to be right. It`s also completely possible for two people of differing opinions to be wrong.

  341. Profile photo of theelgeth
    theelgeth Female 70 & Over
    99 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 6:45 pm
    jeez i hate all the people who demand proof of evolution. its been exhibited more times than a God has. Give me tangible proof that God exists and i`ll shut up.
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    lytesend Female 13-17
    194 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 6:51 pm
    ...Dear sweet Jesus. Pun intended. You know, sometimes, euthanasia is a GOOD thing. You know, for the good of our gene pool.
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    h0ax_d3m0n Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 6:56 pm
    what`s more pathetic and hilarious is a bunch of you come on here and have an argument OVER THE INTERNET.
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    theelgeth Female 70 & Over
    99 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 6:58 pm
    i hate to say this hoax demon but, uh thats kinda what the frigging internet, specifically these comments, are for.
  345. Profile photo of Jerm_Leather
    Jerm_Leather Male 18-29
    897 posts
    March 30, 2009 at 7:01 pm
    @ skibi:
    You, my friend, are brilliant. I totally agree with the arguments you made in your three most recent posts. Our individual lack of humility, and innability to admit how flawed we All are makes humanity weak. I hate stereotypes, yet I too find myself considering them from time to time. I also completely agree with the fact that it is entirely possible for two different opinions to both be correct despite seeming at war with eachother. I stand by the Socratic philosophy that states `the only knowledge is to know that we know nothing`. In essence: No one is right, and no one is wrong; so long as we all keep thinking in the process. All angles must be considered before any one answer can be declared correct over all others. Plus, religion is a moot argument.

    Being the devil`s advocate is a truly enjoyable experience. Hurray for intelligent discussion in the face of seemingly insurmountable stubborness. Some people like to argue.. We like to have discussions.

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    Septemberex Female 13-17
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    March 30, 2009 at 7:04 pm
    I came into this topic completely expecting these comments.
  347. Profile photo of tazman321
    tazman321 Male 13-17
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    March 30, 2009 at 7:06 pm
    ok skibi, im gonna stop now. im done being childish. i might have a better argument tomorrow, but right now, im out of feet to put in my mouth lol. really your comments only made mea a little sad. i was just guilt tripping you. heh. sorry. but still, this argument deviated from my point: this is a poor portrayal of christians, whether your view is right or not. i see that now, and i hope you can forgive me for acting like a little bit--i mean, a whiny person.
  348. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2009 at 7:15 pm
    almightybob1, if you`re still readin this thread, I emailed you back, twice. Maybe both emails got junked, or if you saw them maybe you don`t have the time. I assume you`re not interested? [email protected], lemme know.
  349. Profile photo of spots
    spots Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 7:17 pm
    Wow, Is it just me or does it seem that every time evolution vs creationism is brought up that both parties are wrong. Darwin never stated the theory of evolution. He stated the theory of natural selection, which means survival of the fittist, hence why polar bears live in arctic temperatures and iguanas don`t. The theory developed out of his writings by other people, also don`t use Wikipedia it`s not a credible source.

    The central idea of biological evolution is that all life on Earth shares a common ancestor, just as you and your cousins share a common grandmother.

    Through the process of descent with modification, the common ancestor of life on Earth gave rise to the fantastic diversity that we see documented in the fossil record and around us today. Evolution means that we`re all distant cousins: humans and oak trees, hummingbirds and whales.

  350. Profile photo of davymid
    davymid Male 30-39
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    March 30, 2009 at 7:17 pm
    im really sorry, and, thanks to skibi, i now have no self worth. thank you iab.

    *hugs tazman321 in the spirit of the IAB community, despite radically different religious views, because, dammit, he likes the guy*

  351. Profile photo of spots
    spots Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 7:28 pm
    Though I do agree with ya there taz. This is a poor portrayal of christians. These guys are just trolls, just listen to why they like to start arguments rather than what they are arguing about. I do half to say that everyone stereotypes if they like it or not. We all make subconscious
    judgements about people, and not to mention the people we see in the media. You can ignore these thoughts, but never the less they are still there.
  352. Profile photo of Skibi
    Skibi Female 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 7:34 pm
    taz: Really? You were trying to guilt-trip me? I couldn`t tell... XP

    Jerm: I`m telling you, our babies would be epic. XD

    h0ax: You`re adorable, you really are, but you`re going to have to try just a touch harder to troll. Better-than-thou hauteur is lamer than Crazy Frog.

  353. Profile photo of Jerm_Leather
    Jerm_Leather Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 7:52 pm
    @ skibi:

    Agreed. You like CSI, Die Hard And video games? Be still my beating heart.. Lolz.

  354. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 9:39 pm
    Jim:
    "Do you think it is part of the human condition to believe in a God?"

    I suppose so... even if I didn`t, I think that most people do is a sign that humans have at the very least evolved to do so.

    "do you think that if no holy scriptures were to have ever existed and the only ever teachings were atheistic (obviously hypothetical) the people would even consider a God as being a creator?"

    Again, I think the answer is self evident... people have had religion and gods of some form for a long long time, irrespective of if you believe them or not.

    I think you`re asking more along the lines of... would anyone believe if nobody ever talked about it, thought of it and expressed it to a caveman friend, etc.

    Personally, I think that the two "best" options on the table are: Religion is divine. Religion evolved. Either case suggests humans would come up with a belief in god at some point.

  355. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 9:40 pm
    (Irrespective of whether they are right or wrong to do so).
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    USFEmoGirl Female 18-29
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    March 30, 2009 at 11:24 pm
    interesting little video
  357. Profile photo of farrellxkidd
    farrellxkidd Female 13-17
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    March 30, 2009 at 11:30 pm
    Jesus smoked pot, look it up, it`s in the Bible. It`s obviously not called pot in the Bible but it`s description sounds alot like marijuana.
  358. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    March 31, 2009 at 1:37 am
    Sorry, I never responded to Animecha.

    I see where you are coming from, and as I already stated to Sprinkz, I don`t find Weak Atheism as deserving of the religion label, but I still think it applies.

    There are several issues in play here:
    What changes via the definition? If I call it a religion, what happens to you? What changes about your worldview? Is it less logical? Is it less correct? Why?

    Furthermore, could I have a general belief in Christ, but not follow any given church? Does that mean I`m not a follower of any religion? Am I suddenly superior? Inferior?

    I`m not "insulting" Atheism by suggesting it`s a religion. I am a member of a religion, so I obviously don`t think religion is a negative thing. I would not have a lesser opinion of Atheism irrespective of its grouping in the dictionary.

    The problem I think is the prejudice against religion, that makes you recoil at calling it a religion.

  359. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    March 31, 2009 at 2:12 am
    The argument that Jesus smoked Hemp is extremely weak if this is what you`re talking about.

    I can`t see anyone taking that seriously on any level...

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    laylowww Male 18-29
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    March 31, 2009 at 3:59 am
    that`s hilarious, stand up comedy gold right here!
  361. Profile photo of jimbobsthebe
    jimbobsthebe Male 18-29
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    March 31, 2009 at 8:01 am
    Baalthazaq, just a couple of quick ones...

    Would you agree that morality stemmed from an evolutionary benefit of behaving altruistically?

    Also, do you see your God simply as `the creator` or does he/she hold other qualities?

    Would you agree that the possibility of an infinite universe is more likely than an infinite God that created an infinite or finite universe? (I`m not necessarily following the Ochams razor logic here)

  362. Profile photo of MadhatterVTR
    MadhatterVTR Male 18-29
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    March 31, 2009 at 8:12 am
    I dont care enough about wether or not a fictional character smoked pot to look it up. And the comments in this video are really just the tip of the iceberg...
  363. Profile photo of boglob
    boglob Male 18-29
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    March 31, 2009 at 8:25 am
    We didn`t evolve from monkey`s.

    NO ONE HAS EVER SAID THIS

  364. Profile photo of boglob
    boglob Male 18-29
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    March 31, 2009 at 11:38 am
    Baalthazaq thanks mate, its shocking how few Thiest people don`t accept Athiesism as a valid religious opinion.
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    boglob Male 18-29
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    March 31, 2009 at 11:44 am
    I mnet how "MANY" thiest people
  366. Profile photo of bndfrek66
    bndfrek66 Female 13-17
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    March 31, 2009 at 1:15 pm
    Hehe, that made me laugh. :)
  367. Profile photo of Alanda
    Alanda Female 18-29
    295 posts
    March 31, 2009 at 1:52 pm
    oh man! hahaha
    this video made me laugh...
    ...along with the battle in the comments that ensued as a result....
  368. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    March 31, 2009 at 2:08 pm
    Jimbob:
    Question 1)
    I find that perfectly acceptable. I could be persuaded that was the case, but I don`t have a fixed opinion on the matter.

    2) I`m an agnostic theist. I hold that god has several properties beyond being just a creator, but my interpretation of God is still somewhat malleable. I don`t think we can fully interpret God, but I don`t think that means we shouldn`t try.

    3) "Would you agree that the possibility of an infinite universe is more likely than an infinite God that created an infinite or finite universe?"

    I disagree here I think, but I`m not sure what you mean by an infinite God. As I`m open to several interpretations of God, one of the possibilities remains that God is actually quite simple, even if infinite in some sense (Timelessness for example is fine by me).

    I find various types of God unlikely. Anthropomorphic Gods in particular I find unlikely.

  369. Profile photo of Goublecoque
    Goublecoque Male 18-29
    88 posts
    March 31, 2009 at 2:28 pm
    Oh let them have there intolerence, fundamentalists are fun to laugh at.
    I found this video really funny, just because the ignorance of fundamentalist is feckin hilarios.


  370. Profile photo of warface363
    warface363 Male 18-29
    2 posts
    March 31, 2009 at 2:39 pm
    the definition of Religion is the belief of a supernatural being. there fore, even if you want agnostics and atheists to be considered religions, it cant happen because it is NOT believing in a supernatural being. but yea in response to the video, hilarious. the guys they quoted are dumbasses. not to say that all of them are like that, just a lot of people are dumbpoos about these things. like the guy who said that we believe in science without even questioning it, and then proceeds to say that he doesn`t care how god did what he did, he just knows he did it. do these idiots realize what they are saying?!?
  371. Profile photo of JacobTrue13
    JacobTrue13 Male 18-29
    260 posts
    March 31, 2009 at 2:52 pm
    As an atheist, I hate everyone and think life is pointless and I`m going to kill myself right now.

    But not until I`ve taken some of you fu*kers with me!

    Hi. I`m jacobtrue13. That was a little piece I wrote back in the 70s. I think you`ll agree it timeless.

    Lets go have gay sex. drat you mike.

  372. Profile photo of Haz-Mat
    Haz-Mat Male 18-29
    51 posts
    March 31, 2009 at 3:53 pm
    ok, yes. There are SOME stupid theologists. Yes, there are stupid religious people. But, there are also stupid atheists, stupid republicans, stupid democrats, stupid black people, stupid white people, stupid men, stupid women, stupid pro-lifers, stupid pro-choicers, stupid, fat people, stupid skinny people, etc, etc. THAT DOESN`T MEAN THAT THE VIEWS THESE PEOPLE HAVE ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF ALL CHRISTIANS OR RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALISTS! I happen to be a recently converted Catholic. Does that make me stupid? No. Many of you don`t believe in God. Do I agree with you? No. Does your belief make you stupid? No. Are you stupid? Maybe, maybe not. You cannot judge an entire group of people based on some stupid things that a few of the people in that group said... especially if the thoughts expressed were taken from an online forum, which is possibly the lowest form of human communication, second only to YouTube comments.
  373. Profile photo of Clorow
    Clorow Male 18-29
    86 posts
    March 31, 2009 at 4:18 pm
    I thought the deoxyribonucleic acid thing was hilarious.
  374. Profile photo of jimbobsthebe
    jimbobsthebe Male 18-29
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    March 31, 2009 at 4:25 pm
    Baalthazaq, I may be wrong but I get the impression that you do believe in a God but will openly admit that you`re not sure what exactly it is. I have to say for starters that if this is the case then I totally respect your religious views.

    I guess to a degree I would personally perceive you as a philosopher as opposed to a religious follower as you don`t seem to limit yourself to any particular belief system (but I don`t want to get in to an argument over semantics).

    However, I am curious as to what other properties you believe God does or could posses. I personally find it difficult to logically justify an argument for a God beyond `creator` which does not stumble over some sort of moral realm.

  375. Profile photo of Clorow
    Clorow Male 18-29
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    March 31, 2009 at 4:41 pm
    And I also think the Atheist Family representation is pretty funny.
  376. Profile photo of Denmarkian
    Denmarkian Male 18-29
    27 posts
    March 31, 2009 at 6:06 pm
    good to know skibi`s got my back when I don`t care enough to bite the trollbait a second time.
  377. Profile photo of Denmarkian
    Denmarkian Male 18-29
    27 posts
    March 31, 2009 at 6:14 pm
    I suppose the one thing that gets me about these sort of things is that when a certain whacked out sub-group of ANY organization is shown, in no uncertain terms, to be as whacked out as they are; no member of the larger group is willing to finger them as whack jobs just like everyone who is not in the larger group.

    To try and make more sense of that: like this video shows, there are people who believe in God who have their heads up their asses. I like to point and laugh at those people. There are other people who also believe in God who are faced with two choices; they can either take offense, and create a strawman argument that I am somehow laughing at the whack jobs BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IN GOD, or they can laugh at the whack jobs with me.

    It`s the people who think that the first choice is better than the second choice, who get my goat. They believe it is better because then they are *somehow* showing solidarity in their belief in God, rather than accept one of their own is nuts.

  378. Profile photo of Erunen
    Erunen Male 18-29
    190 posts
    March 31, 2009 at 6:18 pm
    So, is this serious? Or not.... this is like an Onion newscast...
  379. Profile photo of Jaydeejj
    Jaydeejj Female 70 & Over
    713 posts
    March 31, 2009 at 7:45 pm
    Its serious. Go to the site fstdt.com that`s where they got all of these quotes. It`s great. Each quote links back to the post it came from.
  380. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    March 31, 2009 at 9:32 pm
    Warface:
    That definition isn`t in Merriam-Webster/OED/Dictionary.com .

    Bhuddists don`t believe in a supernatural being. (Yet religion)
    People who believe in ghosts do. (Yet not).

    Jimbob: GTG to work but will respond later.

    Oh and as an aside, I used to know the guy who started FSTDT before he died.

  381. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    March 31, 2009 at 10:59 pm
    Ok, Jimbob:

    I don`t think anyone can know what God is in its entirety.

    I classify myself as an Agnostic Sunni Muslim, and I think that is actually closer to the intent of the religion than many others propose.

    "You can`t know God" is not supposed to mean just shut off your brain and follow blindly. It means try to understand, but accept that the goal is probably never within reach. Either because you cannot prove every point, or because you`re likely to make mistakes along the way.

    I currently expect God to probably be:
    Creator, Sentient, Non-Anthropomorphic, Eternal, Benevolent(no omni), but possibly Unemotional.

    Loosely Omnipotent, but I think that term is generally misunderstood. If he is the divisor of rules, or if he can create energy (or matter), I would suggest that could be classified as omnipotence.

  382. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    March 31, 2009 at 11:11 pm
    As a quick example of unemotional benevolence:

    Say I am a millionaire, and I know how to invest money extremely well. My wealth I know for a fact will grow by 25% of the total every year. I have no cash.

    I live in a country where everyone is dying of starvation. Year after year millions die. The more money I give them, the more I can save.

    Emotional benevolence: Give them all your money. Now.
    Unemotional benevolence: Give them not a penny, and invest that penny. Every year, until your death, you can gather a greater amount of money, and when you die, give it all away.

    This provides a mathematically ideal form of charity, whilst seeming cruel. It isn`t quite cruel, it is unemotional.

  383. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    April 1, 2009 at 2:42 am
    (Incidentally this is assuming no greater method of charity, this is just a brief demonstration of the difference in concepts).
  384. Profile photo of Swaba
    Swaba Male 13-17
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    April 1, 2009 at 6:41 pm
    Gotta love ignorant Christians (Y)
    Not that theres anything wrong with christianity. Just not for me...
  385. Profile photo of verinon
    verinon Male 18-29
    335 posts
    April 2, 2009 at 12:36 pm
    all I know is, anyone who doesn`t believe in God is obviously gay.
  386. Profile photo of NYAAN
    NYAAN Female 13-17
    316 posts
    April 2, 2009 at 3:43 pm
    oh my science... it just staggers me how people can understand part of a concept and just apply it completely wrong.

    to be fair, i know that not all christians are such ignorant morons and that the video only represents a small sample of the worst of them (namely, the ones on the internet). forums?! that is the worst measure of actual public opinion you can get. this should instead be a video on the insanity of internet commenters.

  387. Profile photo of Miss_Candie
    Miss_Candie Female 13-17
    260 posts
    April 2, 2009 at 6:45 pm
    LOL when the dude with the hat describes the atheist world it sounded pretty cool.

    But anyways, I`m going to say what I always say : religion is bullpoo. I`m not going to argue on if god exists or not because I`m an agnostic. But still, the THOUGHT of religion, any religion makes me sick.

  388. Profile photo of Solfille
    Solfille Female 13-17
    72 posts
    April 5, 2009 at 7:33 am
    Haha, this just strikes me funny.
  389. Profile photo of kevin3113
    kevin3113 Male 13-17
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    April 18, 2009 at 12:19 am
    I suppose I`m a Catholic...
    I think Buddism seems like a nice religion. I dunno. I`ll be Agnostic: God, but no Church
  390. Profile photo of Slo
    Slo Female 18-29
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    September 17, 2009 at 12:43 am
    If you thought this was funny in any way shape or form you should watch religulous...and agnostic is a religion miss candie........
  391. Profile photo of GregH7
    GregH7 Male 18-29
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    November 9, 2009 at 7:13 pm
    religulous is a great movie. One of my favorites. Probably the funniest and informative movie out there

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