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If you have, you were quite obviously an eight-ball.
I`m going to immediately point out the fact that you call me dumb, but you misspell "told"... by ADDING a letter... Nice.
Second, I`m curious as to how anyone could tell where I went to college by the profile pic.
Third, yes, I used to live in Buffalo, NY it`s my hometown. And I still love my Sabres. Currently, I live in the midwest.
Fourth, there are literally THOUSANDS of pictures of members of all branches of the military on the internet - with their nametape or nametag visible... Usually on the militaries own sites. (Go to any base`s website and look dumbass!)
That`s my previous rank... I got the lozenge a few months ago, and I`m currently Stateside and will probably get the star in the middle before discharge, who cares about my rank? Are you jealous?
And since when is the fact that there were NO WMD`s found in Iraq BS???
-You assume much, read all the posts before you start with this nonsense.
"The majority of Marines come from Texas, that could be one explanation for the response to Bush."
-Osiris- Yeah, you are apparently one of my brothers in arms and all, but when you throw out trash like this and damn near everything else you wrote... well, you sound pretty dumb. So cut the bullpoo OK? You absolutely don`t know what you`re talking about and it`s obvious.
Whole lot of non-military people here giving their analysis of a YouTube video.
Including some that aren`t even enough to vote.
The majority of Marines come from Texas, that could be one explanation for the response to Bush.
Another, more likely explanation is that they were ordered to "show an enthusiastic response for morale purposes"
When Bush made his surprise visit over Thanksgiving we were ORDERED to pose for pictures with him... but only after volunteers were asked for and no one did.
Also, as mentioned earlier by someone else in this thread, you`re seeing edited videotape of two completely different events.
But hey, you saw it on the internet, so it MUST BE TRUE.
@xboxman: Get your facts straight. There were NO WMD`s found in Iraq.
The only reason a Marine would stand at ease in the presence of the Commander in Chief is if he had been ordered to. Otherwise it would be an insult to someone of that high rank.
Conversely "at attention" is the position to be in when a high rank enters the room.
So if you look at it from the proper perspective, the Marines showed MORE respect for Obama in this video.
Typical Republican excuses for a truly unnecessary war."
What the hell are you talking about? I was responding to someone else`s comment, pay attention. I never claimed we were in Iran.
"look the number of civillians that we have killed, Doctors without borders and the U.N. both have come close to the same number...175,000. Cheer Cheer Cheer..we can kill unarmed kids."
You fail statistics forever. We have not personally killed 175,000. First off, 175,000 is higher than most other estimates (the idiotic Lancet survey notwithstanding), and second, that`s not the number of people we`ve killed, but the number of people who`ve died, period. This number including insurgents, victims of terrorist attacks, collateral damage, etc.
If you`re really ex-military, you are an utter embarrassment to the Armed Forces, and even if you aren`t you are still an embarrassment to humanity.
However, I can imagine a certain level of friction. Thinking in terms of the Petraeus mind set that US troops (although also internationally) have got in to. Obama`s plans and Petraeus methodology aren`t exactly harmonious!
No, you`re revolting. I know plenty of my fellow Marines who can run circles around your apparent intellect. Your prose scream bitterness and subjection to your emmotions. Oh, and being "ex-military" does not make you an expert on anything Marine Corps. The only people who know Marines are Marines and our enemies.
Hmm...last time I checked, we were not in Iran but in IRAQ!
Typical Republican excuses for a truly unnecessary war.
You`re absolutely right. Who does the creator of this vid think they are going to fool with this crap?
Obama said to the commander of the american legion that the only way he would change the policy would be if the commander could find another way to get the couple hundred million dollars Obama was going to save by frauding our bravest
What an non-nice individual. That`s unexcusable.
A number of reasons. WMD`s, obviously, which you find none of in Iran, and while you`ll obviously find plenty in Russia, we couldn`t possibly practically invade Russia, and they`ve proven quite trustworthy, anyway.
There`s also removing a major danger to the region, gaining another ally in the region (which is a rare and valuable thing), and the added bonus of liberating a horrible oppressed people.
And before you say "well why don`t you go invade so-and-so dictatorship and blah-blah-blah," don`t be stupid. Obviously we`d (almost) never invade a country solely for humanitarian reasons, it`s just a nice plus.
As much as I disagree with the Iraq invasion, I feel compelled to point out the error of your argument. Australia was one of the 3 initial countries in the "Coalition of the WIlling" which invaded Iraq and has been there the whole time.
Why did you even go to war with iraq in the first place? Do you know the exact answer? Is it terrorists? or WMD?
There will always be terrorists and WMD`s. BUT the WMD`s they found in iraq were in very very small numbers (could prolly find more in iran or russia). Also with the terrorists... Do you REALLY think terrorists attack countries because they are free? In such case why dont they do any attacks on canada or australia? Oh wait, thats because neither of those countries will go around bullying in the world.
Maybe the marines have become more professional?? LOL.
The debt isn`t at all an issue, the war is ending, the economy is recovering, and you don`t have any idea what you`re talking about.
Oh, and pop quiz: who *deserves* to be credited with ending the war in Iraq? The guy who actually negotiated and signed the treaty, or the guy who came into office after him and is following his plan?
And who do you think *will* be credited with ending the war in Iraq?
"Oh, and as far as the two video`s go, the first is a prep rally, aKa, relaxed, and more casual, not to mention they haven`t been there FOR EIGHT YEARS."
They haven`t been there for eight years in the second clip, either. They`ve been four years for the first, six years for the second, those additional two years having been spent in relative peace.
Obama tried to make wounded vet`s insurance pay for their war wounds, A move that sickened the American Legion commander and outraged a lot of vets.
Obama wants to start his own corps of teenagers and college kids "With the same funding and force" of the military. That`s downright scary people, His own personal army.
I`m trying to remember, What other leader started his own personal army of teenage fanatics ? Hmm...
The conflict in Iraq currently could hardly even be classified as a "war-like" engagement, I`d call it a glorified occupation force. Just a step up from the military presence we have to this day in Germany and Japan, among other countries.
This "war" was not about oil, it wasn`t about WMDs, and it wasn`t about finishing where Daddy left off. The reasons for entering Iraq are extremely complicated and were withheld from the American public. Because ever since the Vietnam Syndrome, the majority of American citizens have a hard time seeing how a preemptive strike can prevent a larger global conflict.
I never said he was infallible, or even said I supported him. It`s just ridiculous when people try to use that association to try to smear his image. If you want to smear a politician`s image, make fun of his stutter, his ears, his voting records, or his inability to create a cabinet. State your disagreement with his economic policy, the bailout, or even his ridiculous "yes we can".
Oh, and as far as the two video`s go, the first is a prep rally, aKa, relaxed, and more casual, not to mention they haven`t been there FOR EIGHT YEARS. The second, is the complete opposite, they don`t hate the president, their tired of being oversea`s.
Thank you to all in the military for all you sacrifice each and every day to ensure we maintain the rights and freedoms we are blessed with!
Semper Fi, Marines!
wow you`re optimistic. go kill yourself.
That being said, eh. I am lukewarm on both Presidents. Let`s get ourselves a Libertarian in office!
Obama is inflatable? really?
it`s about time it wore off. people are so ignorant to put him up on such a pedestal, thinking he`ll get rid of their mortgages and pay for their gas... guess what, he`s not omniscient. I`m sure he`ll fail as a president, that`ll really put them in their place. right where they need to be.
Obama served on boards with this terrorist and hosted a fundraiser for him in his own house. How could someone who wanted to be president stay on that board???
"Explaining how he became a leader of the radical 1960s antiwar group, the Weathermen (and its subsequent fugitive incarnation, the Weather Underground), Ayers was unrepentant about the group`s planting of bombs in the Capitol, the Pentagon, and other sites."
Soon, however, the group`s members assumed clandestine identities, changed their collective name to the Weather Underground, and began detonating bombs at courthouses, correctional facilities, police stations, the Capitol and the Pentagon. Between October 1969 and September 1973, the Weather Underground claimed credit for some twenty bombings across the country, in which no one was harmed — save the three cell members who perished in a Greenwich Village townhouse in March 1970, when one of their creations detonated
To imply that Obama ordered the troops to attention because he was afraid of not being applauded seems a bit of a stretch.
I would think that the norm would be to display respect for the commander-in-chief, whereas Bush`s desire for a less formal environment was the exception.
Care to explain how Obama associates with Al-Qaeda?
"GWB was a man of principles. He didn`t change his tune to fit the populist mood of the moment, unlike Obama. The Marines respected and appreciated that"
I`ll give you that. Bush didn`t change his beliefs or his actions, whether they be wrong or right.
With that said, on the first clip, nobody was standing at attention, plus the forum and setting was much more informal and a morale boost. While the clips with Obama, everyone no doubt was ordered to attention and could not clap or move about.
The real question is this: The Marines are the Presidents very own 911 force and most loyal subjects. As such we all know Bush is the kind of dude that enjoyed the reactions and informal forums such as you saw and probably demanded it. Is Obama the type of guy who would order us to Attention if he was in the same scenario as the clip with Bush? Will Obama return a salute?
I don`t know.
So in all fairness, yes Obama`s speech is formal, whereas Bush`s was less formal. The question is why?
1) The setting for the Bush speech seemed more informal, while at the Obama (Barry?) speech was more formal. The marines all appeared to stand at attention, and the speaker to introduce the President was more direct.
2) The end of the last part had music over top of it, and was cut off very quickly.
To Adoras, and many others: I`m sorry you have such a low viewpoint of us "libs." I try to be honest and only argue facts, not the level of crowd response at a given speech.
If I was a marine, why would I clap for a man who finds it acceptable to associate with people who have killed cops, bombed police stations, and bombed the pentagon? Why would I clap for a coward who wanted to throw away all the marine`s work in Iraq when the going got tough in 2006, because it was politically convenient?
GWB was a man of principles. He didn`t change his tune to fit the populist mood of the moment, unlike Obama. The Marines respected and appreciated that