Different Presidents, Different Marine Corps

Submitted by: Jujubean3333 8 years ago in

Who do the Marines really appreciate? Click into the link below the video for a deeper explanation of this clip.
There are 72 comments:
Male 3,059
Finally splurby, I bet you`ve never worn anything other than a Boy Scout uniform. It`s quite obvious to me by what you`ve posted below that you`ve never served a day in uniform in your entire life.

If you have, you were quite obviously an eight-ball.

0
Reply
Male 3,059
Oh splurby... you make me chuckle so.

I`m going to immediately point out the fact that you call me dumb, but you misspell "told"... by ADDING a letter... Nice.

Second, I`m curious as to how anyone could tell where I went to college by the profile pic.

Third, yes, I used to live in Buffalo, NY it`s my hometown. And I still love my Sabres. Currently, I live in the midwest.

Fourth, there are literally THOUSANDS of pictures of members of all branches of the military on the internet - with their nametape or nametag visible... Usually on the militaries own sites. (Go to any base`s website and look dumbass!)

That`s my previous rank... I got the lozenge a few months ago, and I`m currently Stateside and will probably get the star in the middle before discharge, who cares about my rank? Are you jealous?

And since when is the fact that there were NO WMD`s found in Iraq BS???

0
Reply
Male 2,796
Oh, and Osiris... I thought I toled you a few months back that your picture is a great giveaway to anyone who would want to find and kill you. Just giving you a reminder, they know what school you either like or went to, they know your last name and your rank... they know what branch you are in, what state and city.... Dude... does the Army not teach you guys anything worth knowing?
0
Reply
Male 2,796
"I am truly surprised that anyone who claims to have been a Marine, or ANY former military experience at all, failed to recognize OR mention that the Bush entrance the Marines were ALL standing "at ease" and the Obama one they were ALL at "attention"."

-You assume much, read all the posts before you start with this nonsense.

"The majority of Marines come from Texas, that could be one explanation for the response to Bush."

-Osiris- Yeah, you are apparently one of my brothers in arms and all, but when you throw out trash like this and damn near everything else you wrote... well, you sound pretty dumb. So cut the bullpoo OK? You absolutely don`t know what you`re talking about and it`s obvious.

0
Reply
Female 415
Damn straight a majority of the Marines come from Texas!!!
0
Reply
Male 3,059
BTW Opie, nice new profile pic. Made me chuckle.
0
Reply
Male 3,059
Hmmm...

Whole lot of non-military people here giving their analysis of a YouTube video.

Including some that aren`t even enough to vote.

The majority of Marines come from Texas, that could be one explanation for the response to Bush.

Another, more likely explanation is that they were ordered to "show an enthusiastic response for morale purposes"

When Bush made his surprise visit over Thanksgiving we were ORDERED to pose for pictures with him... but only after volunteers were asked for and no one did.

Also, as mentioned earlier by someone else in this thread, you`re seeing edited videotape of two completely different events.

But hey, you saw it on the internet, so it MUST BE TRUE.

@xboxman: Get your facts straight. There were NO WMD`s found in Iraq.

0
Reply
Female 15,763
I don`t exactly hate Bush, but if I was in the army I most definitely would.
0
Reply
Male 1
I am truly surprised that anyone who claims to have been a Marine, or ANY former military experience at all, failed to recognize OR mention that the Bush entrance the Marines were ALL standing "at ease" and the Obama one they were ALL at "attention".

The only reason a Marine would stand at ease in the presence of the Commander in Chief is if he had been ordered to. Otherwise it would be an insult to someone of that high rank.

Conversely "at attention" is the position to be in when a high rank enters the room.

So if you look at it from the proper perspective, the Marines showed MORE respect for Obama in this video.

0
Reply
Male 949
"i dont understand...why would they cheer so hard for bush, but seem totally unenthusiastic about obama?"
Because they`re racist rednecks. Honestly, at a hockey game, I saw a sign for Army Recruitment right next to a Waste Management sign.
0
Reply
Female 1,306
i dont understand...why would they cheer so hard for bush, but seem totally unenthusiastic about obama?
0
Reply
Male 32
Hmm I can understand their discontentment with the president he tried to make them pay for their own health care.
0
Reply
Male 842
Keith- With all due respect, you are mistaken. The Bible says that the Antichrist will "be loved by all." In saying that Obama is the antichrist, you are, in fact, proving that he is not.
0
Reply
Male 2,592
Bush was satan and Obama is the antichrist.
0
Reply
Female 340
Honestly, the appearances shouldn`t be compared. If we`re to do this, compare either two informal meetings, or two formal ones. Don`t take an informal address from Pres. Bush and compare it to a formal address from Pres. Obama!
0
Reply
Male 59
"Hmm...last time I checked, we were not in Iran but in IRAQ!

Typical Republican excuses for a truly unnecessary war."

What the hell are you talking about? I was responding to someone else`s comment, pay attention. I never claimed we were in Iran.

"look the number of civillians that we have killed, Doctors without borders and the U.N. both have come close to the same number...175,000. Cheer Cheer Cheer..we can kill unarmed kids."

You fail statistics forever. We have not personally killed 175,000. First off, 175,000 is higher than most other estimates (the idiotic Lancet survey notwithstanding), and second, that`s not the number of people we`ve killed, but the number of people who`ve died, period. This number including insurgents, victims of terrorist attacks, collateral damage, etc.

If you`re really ex-military, you are an utter embarrassment to the Armed Forces, and even if you aren`t you are still an embarrassment to humanity.

0
Reply
Female 495
Incredibly weak comparison there!! Two completely different occasions, with completely different standards of behaviour, at different times, under different circumstances!

However, I can imagine a certain level of friction. Thinking in terms of the Petraeus mind set that US troops (although also internationally) have got in to. Obama`s plans and Petraeus methodology aren`t exactly harmonious!

0
Reply
Female 71
i didn`t say you should always trust anything that any government says. i meant that if you have a problem with the war (or any war) that`s fine, but don`t disrespect the people fighting in the war because of it. don`t hate the player, hate the game.
0
Reply
Male 19
6point02, a mantra of nationalism (such as "support the troops") is an old Marxist tactic to trick the people into backing a cause without question. Why shouldn`t we question the troops? While I understand not all military have the choice to go to war, but a true patriot would see through watery war mongering and make an objectors stance, even if it meant prison.
0
Reply
Female 71
you guys are disgusting. i don`t care if you disagree with the war, but don`t you dare disrespect the troops.
0
Reply
Male 2,796
"Of course the marines are going to love the war monger, they love war. Hey, I was ex-military, also look the number of civillians that we have killed, Doctors without borders and the U.N. both have come close to the same number...175,000. Around sixty five percent were women and children. Cheer Cheer Cheer..we can kill unarmed kids.Yay for America!!!Now you know why you don`t need a high school diploma to be a marine now. It`s f#cking revolting."

No, you`re revolting. I know plenty of my fellow Marines who can run circles around your apparent intellect. Your prose scream bitterness and subjection to your emmotions. Oh, and being "ex-military" does not make you an expert on anything Marine Corps. The only people who know Marines are Marines and our enemies.

0
Reply
Male 4,594
Painter13, something tells me that your dumber than my pecker.
0
Reply
Male 1,365
Of course the marines are going to love the war monger, they love war. Hey, I was ex-military, also look the number of civillians that we have killed, Doctors without borders and the U.N. both have come close to the same number...175,000. Around sixty five percent were women and children. Cheer Cheer Cheer..we can kill unarmed kids.Yay for America!!!Now you know why you don`t need a high school diploma to be a marine now. It`s f#cking revolting.
0
Reply
Male 366
"A number of reasons. WMD`s, obviously, which you find none of in Iran"

Hmm...last time I checked, we were not in Iran but in IRAQ!

Typical Republican excuses for a truly unnecessary war.

0
Reply
Male 353
Anwarnova

You`re absolutely right. Who does the creator of this vid think they are going to fool with this crap?

0
Reply
Male 334
Ah I completely forgot about how Bary is going to charge veterans` insurance companies for their war injuries. Guess what happens when you do that? Veterans get saddled with sky-high insurance rates and companies don`t want to hire them and add on to their own rates.

Obama said to the commander of the american legion that the only way he would change the policy would be if the commander could find another way to get the couple hundred million dollars Obama was going to save by frauding our bravest

What an non-nice individual. That`s unexcusable.

0
Reply
Male 2,076
Hardly a comparable situation. Bush is casual and is meeting the Marines in the barracks or army base (and its not told if at what point he was visiting). The clip of Obama is very strict and formal, as seen by both the Marines and President`s clothes. I`m not stupid, I hope people will see this as it is. Hardly a just comparison of scenarios.
0
Reply
Male 59
"Why did you even go to war with iraq in the first place? Do you know the exact answer? Is it terrorists? or WMD?"

A number of reasons. WMD`s, obviously, which you find none of in Iran, and while you`ll obviously find plenty in Russia, we couldn`t possibly practically invade Russia, and they`ve proven quite trustworthy, anyway.

There`s also removing a major danger to the region, gaining another ally in the region (which is a rare and valuable thing), and the added bonus of liberating a horrible oppressed people.

And before you say "well why don`t you go invade so-and-so dictatorship and blah-blah-blah," don`t be stupid. Obviously we`d (almost) never invade a country solely for humanitarian reasons, it`s just a nice plus.

0
Reply
Male 252
So what?! Bush is not the 2nd coming of Hitler, get over it. Obama is creepy & he`s being exposed for the fraud he is & surely will settle into. The whole Bush thing is old. Our troops however, God Bless you all! We Love you!!
0
Reply
Male 8,302
> xboxman
> why dont they do any attacks on canada or australia? Oh wait, thats because neither of those countries will go around bullying in the world

As much as I disagree with the Iraq invasion, I feel compelled to point out the error of your argument. Australia was one of the 3 initial countries in the "Coalition of the WIlling" which invaded Iraq and has been there the whole time.

0
Reply
Male 380
@minicow,

Why did you even go to war with iraq in the first place? Do you know the exact answer? Is it terrorists? or WMD?

There will always be terrorists and WMD`s. BUT the WMD`s they found in iraq were in very very small numbers (could prolly find more in iran or russia). Also with the terrorists... Do you REALLY think terrorists attack countries because they are free? In such case why dont they do any attacks on canada or australia? Oh wait, thats because neither of those countries will go around bullying in the world.

0
Reply
Male 380
Now ive never been in the marines, but it seems to me that in the bush clip they were standing at ease (easy, w.e im a canadian). And in the barack one they were at attention.....

Maybe the marines have become more professional??
LOL.

0
Reply
Male 59
"We put Bush in office, Twice, and guess where we wound up? In huge amounts of debt, a never-ending war, a horrible economy, so on and so forth."

The debt isn`t at all an issue, the war is ending, the economy is recovering, and you don`t have any idea what you`re talking about.

Oh, and pop quiz: who *deserves* to be credited with ending the war in Iraq? The guy who actually negotiated and signed the treaty, or the guy who came into office after him and is following his plan?

And who do you think *will* be credited with ending the war in Iraq?

"Oh, and as far as the two video`s go, the first is a prep rally, aKa, relaxed, and more casual, not to mention they haven`t been there FOR EIGHT YEARS."

They haven`t been there for eight years in the second clip, either. They`ve been four years for the first, six years for the second, those additional two years having been spent in relative peace.

0
Reply
Male 17,512
You Obama supporters just don`t get it.

Obama tried to make wounded vet`s insurance pay for their war wounds, A move that sickened the American Legion commander and outraged a lot of vets.

Obama wants to start his own corps of teenagers and college kids "With the same funding and force" of the military. That`s downright scary people, His own personal army.

I`m trying to remember, What other leader started his own personal army of teenage fanatics ? Hmm...

0
Reply
Male 1,254
DMray, while I agree Bush`s economic policies were extremely flawed and helped worsen our situation, the uninformed use of credit by millions of Americans started this mess, calling a 6 year military engagement a never-ending war is down right asinine.

The conflict in Iraq currently could hardly even be classified as a "war-like" engagement, I`d call it a glorified occupation force. Just a step up from the military presence we have to this day in Germany and Japan, among other countries.

This "war" was not about oil, it wasn`t about WMDs, and it wasn`t about finishing where Daddy left off. The reasons for entering Iraq are extremely complicated and were withheld from the American public. Because ever since the Vietnam Syndrome, the majority of American citizens have a hard time seeing how a preemptive strike can prevent a larger global conflict.

0
Reply
Male 1,788
"That`s fine, I`m sick of talking about stuff like that with people who think that Obama is infallible anyway"

I never said he was infallible, or even said I supported him. It`s just ridiculous when people try to use that association to try to smear his image. If you want to smear a politician`s image, make fun of his stutter, his ears, his voting records, or his inability to create a cabinet. State your disagreement with his economic policy, the bailout, or even his ridiculous "yes we can".

0
Reply
Male 8
You know, I don`t usually comment, but good god, you people don`t learn do you? Let`s take a look at history, We put Bush in office, Twice, and guess where we wound up? In huge amounts of debt, a never-ending war, a horrible economy, so on and so forth. The fact is, it`s easier Making these problems then it will be to fix them, Obama is not god, he is not infallible, and he is not perfect. This will take Time, it`s not just a snap of your fingers, and it`s all better.

Oh, and as far as the two video`s go, the first is a prep rally, aKa, relaxed, and more casual, not to mention they haven`t been there FOR EIGHT YEARS. The second, is the complete opposite, they don`t hate the president, their tired of being oversea`s.


Jackasses.

0
Reply
Male 1,265
I`m all for Barry Bashing but these seem to be different venues and that could account for the differences.
0
Reply
Male 28
I can`t imagine it`s because Obama is planning on charging injured soldiers, airman, seamen, and marines for medical care for injuries received while defending this country? Ooh Rah indeed!

Thank you to all in the military for all you sacrifice each and every day to ensure we maintain the rights and freedoms we are blessed with!

Semper Fi, Marines!

0
Reply
Male 740
"I`m sure he`ll fail as a president, that`ll really put them in their place. right where they need to be."

wow you`re optimistic. go kill yourself.

0
Reply
Male 92
i dont think it`d make much of a difference if we put a squirrel in office. . .
0
Reply
Male 3,756
It kinda seemed like one was a pep rally and one was a solemn speech on the U.S.`s future in Iraq. Different occassions, different reactions.
0
Reply
Male 506
Cuchulainn, I advise caution in reading people`s comments before making snarky comments about them.

That being said, eh. I am lukewarm on both Presidents. Let`s get ourselves a Libertarian in office!

0
Reply
Male 138
@mrwnt

Obama is inflatable? really?

0
Reply
Male 134
"*sigh* you know i didn`t think it would happen this fast, but it is. Obama isn`t as super duper as everyone thought huh? His greatness is wearing off very very quickly."

it`s about time it wore off. people are so ignorant to put him up on such a pedestal, thinking he`ll get rid of their mortgages and pay for their gas... guess what, he`s not omniscient. I`m sure he`ll fail as a president, that`ll really put them in their place. right where they need to be.

0
Reply
Male 334
That`s fine, I`m sick of talking about stuff like that with people who think that Obama is infallible anyway
0
Reply
Male 41
*sigh* you know i didn`t think it would happen this fast, but it is. Obama isn`t as super duper as everyone thought huh? His greatness is wearing off very very quickly.
0
Reply
Male 122
I think it`s the conditions they were elected of noted for shaped their image into excited and proud to just respectful. Bush was noted for his call to arms after 9/11 so he was associated with patriotism, whereas barack was more like foreigner, or more of a politically distant rock star or movie mogul. That explains it I think.
0
Reply
Male 1,788
Ah, I see. I really don`t feel like arguing an issue that was already beaten to death in the past year.
0
Reply
Male 334
Not Al-qaeda, perfection, Bill Ayers.

Obama served on boards with this terrorist and hosted a fundraiser for him in his own house. How could someone who wanted to be president stay on that board???

"Explaining how he became a leader of the radical 1960s antiwar group, the Weathermen (and its subsequent fugitive incarnation, the Weather Underground), Ayers was unrepentant about the group`s planting of bombs in the Capitol, the Pentagon, and other sites."

Soon, however, the group`s members assumed clandestine identities, changed their collective name to the Weather Underground, and began detonating bombs at courthouses, correctional facilities, police stations, the Capitol and the Pentagon. Between October 1969 and September 1973, the Weather Underground claimed credit for some twenty bombings across the country, in which no one was harmed — save the three cell members who perished in a Greenwich Village townhouse in March 1970, when one of their creations detonated

0
Reply
Male 15,510
W. Pays them to act better than what B. could. you know with all the Economic crisis and everything around
0
Reply
Male 719
Okay, so I read the description on the YouTube link.

To imply that Obama ordered the troops to attention because he was afraid of not being applauded seems a bit of a stretch.

I would think that the norm would be to display respect for the commander-in-chief, whereas Bush`s desire for a less formal environment was the exception.

0
Reply
Male 1,788
"If I was a marine, why would I clap for a man who finds it acceptable to associate with people who have killed cops, bombed police stations, and bombed the pentagon?"

Care to explain how Obama associates with Al-Qaeda?

"GWB was a man of principles. He didn`t change his tune to fit the populist mood of the moment, unlike Obama. The Marines respected and appreciated that"

I`ll give you that. Bush didn`t change his beliefs or his actions, whether they be wrong or right.

0
Reply
Male 2,796
I am not an Obama fan, however in all fairness (and as a Marine mayself) I will say this is a ridiculous piece of propaganda. I will agree that the typical Marine generally likes Pres. Bush more than Obama.

With that said, on the first clip, nobody was standing at attention, plus the forum and setting was much more informal and a morale boost. While the clips with Obama, everyone no doubt was ordered to attention and could not clap or move about.

The real question is this: The Marines are the Presidents very own 911 force and most loyal subjects. As such we all know Bush is the kind of dude that enjoyed the reactions and informal forums such as you saw and probably demanded it. Is Obama the type of guy who would order us to Attention if he was in the same scenario as the clip with Bush? Will Obama return a salute?

I don`t know.

0
Reply
Male 3,461
The Lejune video, on the other hand, shows Obama entering with all the pomp and circumstance of a royal visit to the peasants. Hail to the Chief plays in the background; something that President Bush didnt allow during his military visits. Obama knows that keeping the Marines locked at the position of attention means that no comparison can ever be made to the loving reception President Bush regularly received from the troops. Obama knows how the Marines feel and will always treat them exactly like the rabble he sees.

So in all fairness, yes Obama`s speech is formal, whereas Bush`s was less formal. The question is why?

0
Reply
Male 3,461
If people didn`t go to the YouTube site, to read a thorough explanation of the video, here`s a snippet: In the video, the Marines exhibit obvious love and respect for President Bush. His visit was not an event that followed closely on the heels of 9/11. This video was taken after the worst days of the war and after the surge created major progress in the region. The president is visiting the troops in Anbar Province, the home of the infamous Falluja and Ar Ramadi killing grounds. This visit took place after the province had been pacified. In other words, the Marines showed their love of Mr. Bush even after the darkest days of the war.

Continuing...

0
Reply
Male 115
As for a second post,
My personal opinion on the video was that look at what kind of president the marines are trying to respect. Obviously you would be a little more relaxed and rowdy around Bush because that`s what he`s most akin too while Obama has a more respectable image that people would also tend to act accordingly too.
0
Reply
Male 140
first off they are standing at parade rest for bush then at attention for obama...if you have any idea what that means then you, know why they didnt clap....but still
0
Reply
Male 115
Skine, I only simply wanted to answer your incredibly short question "(Barry?)" by telling you that many people have done research for his birth certificate and have discovered that his name is Barry Soetoro but it is nothing that anyone can truly argue about until an official birth certificate is released. I don`t care either way, just trying to share with you what I have discovered.
0
Reply
Male 719
Two things I`d like to point out:

1) The setting for the Bush speech seemed more informal, while at the Obama (Barry?) speech was more formal. The marines all appeared to stand at attention, and the speaker to introduce the President was more direct.

2) The end of the last part had music over top of it, and was cut off very quickly.

To Adoras, and many others: I`m sorry you have such a low viewpoint of us "libs." I try to be honest and only argue facts, not the level of crowd response at a given speech.

0
Reply
Male 199
Go Dubya!
0
Reply
Male 334
Actually this video has a good point to it.

If I was a marine, why would I clap for a man who finds it acceptable to associate with people who have killed cops, bombed police stations, and bombed the pentagon?
Why would I clap for a coward who wanted to throw away all the marine`s work in Iraq when the going got tough in 2006, because it was politically convenient?

GWB was a man of principles. He didn`t change his tune to fit the populist mood of the moment, unlike Obama. The Marines respected and appreciated that

0
Reply
Female 876
Wow it`s weird seeing people get excited about George Bush. O_o
0
Reply
Male 734
No surprise here at all. I didn`t see Obama`s teleprompter in the video though. They must have brought it up after the golf clapping ended.
0
Reply
Female 275
Propaganda, yo. What does this even mean?
0
Reply
Male 363
the republican party has always supported the military while the democrats could care less. george w. has helped make the marines the strongest they have ever been. HOO_RA
0
Reply
Male 396
Very good I approve
0
Reply
Male 404
please spell check m`kay?
0
Reply
Male 19
Boring :-|
0
Reply
Female 917
Bush may have had his issues, but they knew he had their backs
0
Reply
Male 265
while i don`t like obama, and i want a not my president bumper sticker like they had for bush (although its somehow unpatriotic now?) this is dumb, i am an issues guy not a random clip guy, this seems like something the libs would do
0
Reply
Female 299
Link: Different Presidents, Different Marine Corps [Rate Link] - Who do the Marines really appreciate? Click into the link below the video for a deeper explanation of this clip.
0
Reply