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72 Responses to 3-Wheeled ‘Aptera 2E’ Drives On Pennies-Per-Mile

  1. Profile photo of Kim...
    Kim... Female 13-17
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    March 21, 2009 at 7:24 am
    Link: 3-Wheeled ‘Aptera 2E’ Drives On Pennies-Per-Mile - And the design is right out of the Jetsons.
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    LadyMorgue Female 30-39
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    March 21, 2009 at 12:15 pm
    It looks just like the car from A.I.
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    bubba5658 Male 50-59
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    March 21, 2009 at 12:16 pm
    Sign me up!
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    Manar Male 30-39
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    March 21, 2009 at 12:21 pm
    I love it. Now you just need to invent a faster way to refuel it. 8 hours is a bit long to hang around in the gasstation if you want to go coast to coast for example.
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    maxell Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2009 at 12:23 pm
    this car`s been around for awhile.

    although last time i heard of it, it was considered an enclosed mortercycle, so it could only be licensed in california due to some sort of by laws.

    i dont think thats changed yet. but it also isnt much more expesive then a regular car, so if you live in cali, buy it.

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    desisrule2 Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2009 at 12:25 pm
    thats really cool. my dad said he`ll get me a car soon.

    "DAAAAD!! can you come up here please?!"

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    deadpopstar Female 18-29
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    March 21, 2009 at 12:31 pm
    Wow, I can`t wait to start seeing those on the freeways.
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    TheSharpest Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2009 at 12:32 pm
    Not remotely interested. Here, gas is several times cheaper than water. =)
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    simim23 Female 18-29
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    March 21, 2009 at 12:33 pm
    My friend drives 100 miles a day just to go to and from work.

    So he`d have to wait 8 hours to go to the store later. XD

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    Deadman3215 Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2009 at 12:35 pm
    Don`t they realize that most people don`t want to drive something that looks like that?
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    Deadman3215 Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2009 at 12:36 pm
    "I love it. Now you just need to invent a faster way to refuel it. 8 hours is a bit long to hang around in the gasstation if you want to go coast to coast for example."

    Maybe they could make it so the battery was universal and you could just get your battery swapped out with a fully charged one at a gas station.

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    HarryDresden Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2009 at 12:42 pm
    pretty cool but irrelevent, eletric cars just wont take off, and they never will given the charging time and the milage they get after 8 hours

    the best alternative to petrol cars is Hydrogen cars which.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AUurBnLb...

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    kinjomusashi Male 30-39
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    March 21, 2009 at 12:44 pm
    i think you`re better off riding a scooter...
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    Jamie22up Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2009 at 1:07 pm
    if i was rich i would totally consider buying it. it would save me alot of money, it looks cool and its tough to break it would be a smart invesment overall.
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    loadstar Male 30-39
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    March 21, 2009 at 1:08 pm
    Sorry, roosterroachmobile vs. dump truck, guess who wins.
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    AntEconomist Male 40-49
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    March 21, 2009 at 1:34 pm
    The battery life for electric cars is around 100,000 miles -- and they cost $7,000 to replace. That adds another 7 cents per mile. Add it to the quoted 2 cents per mile and you`re right back at the cost of a gasoline powered car. PS: The manufacturing and disposal of the batteries is *far* worse for the environment than the emissions from an internal combustion engine.
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    Cataclism0 Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2009 at 1:41 pm
    "The battery life for electric cars is around 100,000 miles -- and they cost $7,000 to replace. That adds another 7 cents per mile. Add it to the quoted 2 cents per mile and you`re right back at the cost of a gasoline powered car. PS: The manufacturing and disposal of the batteries is *far* worse for the environment than the emissions from an internal combustion engine."

    thats why i hate those morons with hybrids, theyre doing more damage

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    aero Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2009 at 1:50 pm
    "i think you`re better off riding a scooter..."

    I think you`re better off biking...

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    Joolin Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2009 at 2:39 pm
    @ aero - I couldn`t agree more. Biking is the only true solution for eco-friendly urban transportation.

    When you really go in and crunch the numbers, you end up doing at least as much damage to the environment manufacturing batteries as you do harvesting and burning gasoline.

    Bicycles, on the other hand, require very few materials to manufacture and the only fuel required to run them is food and water for the rider.

    As for distance, it`s all about mass transit - trains and buses.

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    razlem Male 13-17
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    March 21, 2009 at 3:13 pm
    Batteries can be recycled though- gasoline can`t.
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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2009 at 3:15 pm
    "Don`t they realize that most people don`t want to drive something that looks like that?"

    I want to drive something that looks like that.

    "if i was rich i would totally consider buying it."
    its 25,000. You don`t have to be rich.

    "Sorry, roosterroachmobile vs. dump truck, guess who wins."

    roosterroachmobile

    I think in a few years when its proven to work consistently I`ll get one

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    AntEconomist Male 40-49
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    March 21, 2009 at 3:19 pm
    "Batteries can be recycled though- gasoline can`t."

    Just because something can be recycled does not mean that the recycling is good for the environment. Most recycling processes do more damage to the environment than is done by simply throwing the object away.

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    ashker Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2009 at 3:44 pm
    This car kinda fails IMO

    An 8 hour charge to go 120 miles, doesn`t seem that good to me.

    Also, where does the electricity come from? this will just increase the demand for electricity rather than gas

    The best transport is walking, since there is no production of the bike involved, and better than walking is walking naked, but society frowns on it

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    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    March 21, 2009 at 3:55 pm
    We could try.... w-a-l-k-i-n-g... (gasp!!!)
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    Tay-Dor Male 40-49
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    March 21, 2009 at 4:57 pm
    Walk? What are you, Amish?

    Most cities have so much sprawl, that walking is just not an efficient use of time.

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    dragosal Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2009 at 5:15 pm
    this reminds me of alot of cars that i saw in those eco races they used to do when i was a kid with solar panel cars. still really cool to
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    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    March 21, 2009 at 5:27 pm
    Well I won`t be needing a car for a while, no room for it in an apartment for college. Yaaay Chicago transit!
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    dragosal Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2009 at 5:32 pm
    @harrydresden that hydrogen car looks cool
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    Kaagan Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2009 at 5:43 pm
    the Tesla Roadster only needs a 3 hour charge till full which will get you 200+ miles and it doesn`t like like a piece of poo.
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    GurnBlanston Male 40-49
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    March 21, 2009 at 5:45 pm
    Hydrogen cars are nice, but where do you buy hydrogen? There`s electric outlets all over the place.
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    GurnBlanston Male 40-49
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    March 21, 2009 at 5:47 pm
    Kaagen - That`s why the Tesla is over $100,000.

    I think I`d rather save $75,000 and let it charge all night.

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    GurnBlanston Male 40-49
    247 posts
    March 21, 2009 at 5:54 pm
    The Aptera 2E isn`t intended to be a long haul road trip car, it`s a commuter car. Charge it all night, and drive back and forth to work and run your errands the next day. I drive about 50 to 60 miles a day, this car would be more than adequate for that.
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    xboxman Male 13-17
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    March 21, 2009 at 6:00 pm
    If electric cars didnt look like alien pieces of poo i would buy one instead of my 08 accord
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    apophisjon Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2009 at 6:12 pm
    @ GurnBlanston
    For hydrogen cars you don`t buy hydrogen, you put an electrical current though water to liberate the hydrogen to power the vehicle. Now you know...
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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2009 at 6:24 pm
    "We could try.... w-a-l-k-i-n-g... (gasp!!!)"

    ok....so if i want to go to a Marlins game I can just walk 25 miles....

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    Lionhart2 Male 40-49
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    March 21, 2009 at 6:34 pm
    PTK, my mum used to tell me she and her 17 bros/sis`s used to walk 25 miles to school every day... I never believed her, but I checked on a map, and they did! Things were sure different in the old days...
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    wcclark Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2009 at 7:16 pm
    I want this thing so bad.

    But I`m stuck in Florida, damn it.

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    Iddyit Male 13-17
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    March 21, 2009 at 7:34 pm
    The headquarters of Aptera is in the city where I live so I see these driving around all the time.
  39. Profile photo of GurnBlanston
    GurnBlanston Male 40-49
    247 posts
    March 21, 2009 at 7:39 pm
    apophisjon - Really? So now I need to have an electrolytic hydrogen reactor in my garage?

    Do you know how long I have to run this device to get enough hydrogen to run a hydrogen car for 120 miles? And what is the power draw from this device?

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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2009 at 7:40 pm
    Thats pretty cool. Good for them.

    I might buy one in... 10 years?

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    tannerb924 Male 18-29
    488 posts
    March 21, 2009 at 7:45 pm
    ride a bike you lazy fat pieces of crap
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    Mah_Boi Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2009 at 7:48 pm
    "The battery life for electric cars is around 100,000 miles -- and they cost $7,000 to replace. That adds another 7 cents per mile. Add it to the quoted 2 cents per mile and you`re right back at the cost of a gasoline powered car. PS: The manufacturing and disposal of the batteries is *far* worse for the environment than the emissions from an internal combustion engine."

    Nine cents per mile is very low for a gas car. If you`re going to amortize the battery cost for the electric, you have to amortize the engine cost for the gas.

    The only batteries that can even come close to validating that second part are lead-acid, which are quickly becoming obsolete, and are pretty sound if recycled.

    But, uh...I`m not getting into the environmental aspect. It just starts arguments, because there`s generally skewed information, on both sides, EVERYWHERE, so nothing ever gets agreed upon.

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    Mah_Boi Male 18-29
    606 posts
    March 21, 2009 at 7:48 pm

    "This car kinda fails IMO
    An 8 hour charge to go 120 miles, doesn`t seem that good to me.
    Also, where does the electricity come from? this will just increase the demand for electricity rather than gas
    The best transport is walking, since there is no production of the bike involved, and better than walking is walking naked, but society frowns on it"

    It`s a commuter. You charge when you`re not using it. Keep the gas for the road trips you take a few times a year until some crazy battery with a 15MJ/l capacity (which, in effect, make it as energy dense as gasoline) comes along.

    So? Even if the gas was used to make electricity, a power plant does twice as well as an engine at extracting every joule they can out of it (since more energy per gallon is more profit per gallon) and can scrub more pollutants out of the waste.

    LOL @ walking.

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    Mah_Boi Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2009 at 7:49 pm

    "Kaagen - That`s why the Tesla is over $100,000."

    No, the Tesla is over $100,000 because it`s a sexy, sexy sports car. Oh, yeah...I guess the $30,000 battery in it doesn`t help...

    "If electric cars didnt look like alien pieces of poo i would buy one instead of my 08 accord"

    Point conceded. I have no idea WTF the start-up EV companies are doing.

    "For hydrogen cars you don`t buy hydrogen, you put an electrical current though water to liberate the hydrogen to power the vehicle. Now you know..."

    No, the idea was, in fact, to replace all the gas stations with hydrogen stations. I don`t even know where the drat they come up with these ideas...

    Then they decided to throw in the ability to have the car make it`s own H2 as well, only the coulombic efficiency of the electrolysis/fuel cell combo isn`t spectacular, whereas more advanced batteries store and provide energy at close to 100% efficiency.

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    Mah_Boi Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2009 at 7:51 pm
    Given that stupidly low coefficient of drag (special wiper covers because the wipers doubled it? Seriously?), I just wonder what the thing would do on 300hp.
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    Groogle Male 30-39
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    March 21, 2009 at 7:52 pm
    Nobody wants to drive something that ressemble the Jetson`s car and can`t carry more then 2 people... you can`t even carry a single grocery bag in that thing.

    Tesla Roadster would be a better showcase item as far as 100% electric car go.

    http://www.teslamotors.com/

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    Mah_Boi Male 18-29
    606 posts
    March 21, 2009 at 7:53 pm
    God...it`s times like this I wish I wasn`t so hardcore into EVs. Excuse my nerdraging, but I`m kinda bored, so...
    "Don`t they realize that most people don`t want to drive something that looks like that?"

    I`m pretty sure part of the idea is to stand out. The primary design goal of that car was aerodynamic efficiency. It was originally designed for an engine. Which it got 300mpg out of.

    "I love it. Now you just need to invent a faster way to refuel it. 8 hours is a bit long to hang around in the gasstation if you want to go coast to coast for example."

    8 hours for charging is a limitation imposed by the fact that a normal house outlet can`t supply near enough energy to charge a battery quickly enough. Certain batteries (A123`s LiFes come to mind) can charge in 15 minutes. I don`t remember the capacity of the Aptera`s, but a house outlet would have to provide 20kW to charge even a small 5kWh pack that fast; over ten times what a regular 15A North American outl

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    ryan99 Male 13-17
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    March 21, 2009 at 8:02 pm
    I hope to God a vehicle like this does not become popular on the road. i hate cars with designs like these. I can understand making an ecofriendly car, but why does it have to look like something out of the Jetsons...
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    Groogle Male 30-39
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    March 21, 2009 at 8:13 pm
    People need to realise that this is the begening of EV cars and that if the concept takes off it`s going to evolve.

    Just like combustion engine cars did since the 1900`s.

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    ichirei Female 13-17
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    March 21, 2009 at 8:47 pm
    i would drive it! that thing looks sweet, AND is efficient!
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    Pilanus Male 18-29
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    March 21, 2009 at 10:51 pm
    I want one...

    I am sure that they can soon make a 4 person version, but I don`t need a 4 person version so it would be fine for me. I would only need it for longer drives anyways. I have a perfectly good set of legs, and for medium distances, my city has public transportation.

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    Corpsecrank Male 30-39
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    March 21, 2009 at 11:04 pm
    Yeah I have to say I am impressed by how durable and nice this vehicle is. Get into a little fender bender? Who cares it`s not your car with the nasty damage to it this time lol. Efficient quite durable and safe who wouldn`t want one.
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    Boredx12 Female 13-17
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    March 22, 2009 at 2:35 am
    Wows!
    I want XD
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 22, 2009 at 4:05 am
    Electric cars are either way to expensive, Slow, Odd looking, Take forever to charge, Or non-utilitarian. This one has 4 out of 5 of those faults.

    The battery technology just isn`t advanced enough yet to make them competitive, Yet.

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    keith2 Male 30-39
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    March 22, 2009 at 4:09 am
    i would never make it in one day on 100 miles. they should up the mileage per charge to like 250mi at least and make it look less ghey.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    March 22, 2009 at 5:16 am
    Yeah.. in Kentucky that wouldn`t work. We have to many rough roads for that thing to traverse.
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    AntEconomist Male 40-49
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    March 22, 2009 at 6:23 am
    "Nine cents per mile is very low for a gas car. If you`re going to amortize the battery cost for the electric, you have to amortize the engine cost for the gas."

    The video claims 9 cents per mile for gas cars. Amortizing the cost of the engine isn`t necessary because engines typically outlast the typical useful life of the car (i.e., 200,000 miles). You need to amortize the cost of the battery because it does not outlast the life of the car.

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    Greyed Male 30-39
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    March 22, 2009 at 6:26 am
    Meh, 100 miles per charge? That`d barely make it to work and back at my last job. Give me a Carver 1. Estimated 40mpg and just shy of a 9g tank means an operating distance of 360 miles. Of course I already have an ST-1100 that does 40mpg w/7g tank and it`s 7 years old. *shrug*
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    Mikeado Male 18-29
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    March 22, 2009 at 6:40 am
    Your one-off electric car dis-interests me.

    Besides, battery-powered cars are not the future. They don`t go very far, don`t go very fast and take ages to charge. Plus you can`t trust mile-range figures, just like you can`t trust manufacturer`s mpg figures. Hydrogen is better, or it will be when we can get H2 cleanly and greenly.

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    srximus Male 30-39
    188 posts
    March 22, 2009 at 9:36 am
    I don´t believe that a electric car is the future or good for Kenatucky roads or for people who have to travel long distances. BUT, take L.A. only! Change regular cars with this and what a change!!! Morning traffic anyone?
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    mystyocean Female 18-29
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    March 22, 2009 at 9:45 am
    Link`s broken for me. I wonder if I can find it through youtube.
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    Adthedude Male 13-17
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    March 22, 2009 at 10:43 am
    The car itself may not make any pollution, but if it needs charging, then you`re just getting power for it from some coal power plant somewhere. So essentially, you don`t really accomplish much there, your car can make the pollution, or you can have a factory do it for you, your choice.
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    habbazoot
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    March 22, 2009 at 11:57 am
    adthedude the dude, wind and solar.


    this isnt nesscerassly(uhhh...yeah) the future, but its a damn ghood start

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    Filipino916 Male 18-29
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    March 22, 2009 at 1:42 pm
    I can`t wait for this to come out here in California.
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    ruy-guy Male 18-29
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    March 22, 2009 at 3:58 pm
    what happens when you run out of electricity in the middle of the highway its not like you will carry around a spare tank of electricity in you seemingly non existent trunk... but that car will definitely make a difference jugging but its looks speed low starting prise not to mention its originality!!
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    admisaok Male 18-29
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    March 22, 2009 at 5:35 pm
    im sure they have like a backup battery for such emergencies (or at least will have one soon). they wouldn`t be this close to putting it out into the public if they hadn`t figured that out yet
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    Yosemine Male 18-29
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    March 22, 2009 at 7:33 pm
    Though, yes, we still may pollute making the electricity, it`s still more efficient overall. Also, like habbazoot said, you can get it from wind and solar. If you live in a place sunny enough you can put solar panels on your house as well, and actually MAKE money by generating more electricity than your house uses, in which case the car generates no pollution.

    Still, 100 mile range? No thanks. Also doesn`t seem to have a trunk. I mean, it`s a good start, but they really need to improve that range and give it a way to carry stuff before I`d consider one.

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    DavidXJ Male 30-39
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    March 23, 2009 at 12:27 pm
    I want to take the kids to football practice... oh wait, it has almost zero storage. I want to drive more than 100 miles before I have to wait 8 HOURS for the stupid thing to charge. You can`t even take this thing on a holiday day trip because it doesn`t have the range. The only thing that makes this more useful than a Seguey is that you won`t get wet if it`s raining.
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    GurnBlanston Male 40-49
    247 posts
    March 23, 2009 at 9:39 pm
    When I need to take my kids somewhere, I will use my SUV. When I need to get to work and back, I`d rather drive this.
    Out here in the suburbs we call it a "second car".
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    GurnBlanston Male 40-49
    247 posts
    March 23, 2009 at 9:56 pm
    If you need longer range, you can wait for the Aptera 2H. That will be a plug-in gas-electric hybrid. It will be pure electric drive with gas generator backup. So it has unlimited range, but if you drive less than 100 miles a day you don`t use any gas at all.
  71. Profile photo of GurnBlanston
    GurnBlanston Male 40-49
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    March 23, 2009 at 10:03 pm
    Groogle - The car is bigger than it looks.
    From the Aptera web site:
    Cavernous Cargo Compartment
    With enough room for 15 bags of groceries, a couple of surfboards, or sets of golf bags, this cargo space is sure to meet your needs.
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    GurnBlanston Male 40-49
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    March 23, 2009 at 10:07 pm
    Tesla`s great if you have $100k to spend on a car that *also* only seats two people and has limited luggage space, but it`s absurdly out of reach for most people. I know dozens of people who can afford a $25k car, I know maybe two people who can afford a $100k car.

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