Robust Passenger On Airplane Has Seat Problem

Submitted by: LiviaLive 8 years ago in Misc
http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2009/02/03/26581_local-news.html

She was asked by the airline to buy a second seat "for other people’s comfort." Was the airline wrong in doing so?
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Female 48
no offense to overweight ppl but if I was sitting in a already tiny seat next to a fat person and their fat was crossing over into my seat, I`d be pissed! I`d want them to move or buy another seat
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Female 486
Lol. They weren`t even next to each other.
She can split in half, right?

But the seats on a plane are cramped enough already even if you are normal size. She wouldn`t fit!

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Male 199
"discriminated against for being overweight"
no, that would impy she wasnt allowed to fly

you just cant fit in the dam seat!

thats like saying its `height discrimination` for saying "you must be this tall to ride this rollercoster"

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Male 1,455
If someone takes up more than one seat, they pay for it. Anything else would be giving them a free ride because they have a self-inflicted condition.
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Male 1,455
"the airline is in the business of providing flights, not seats. A passenger should not have to pay extra for the right to fly just because airlines want to pack as many seats as possible into a plane."

Fuel cost increase due to her weight? Hazards to other people in the plane due to narrow corridors? Comfort of anyone sitting nearby?

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Female 70
@duckboy, the government is not a business, it is an entity created to ensure domestic tranquility. People agree to the rules of a governing body and in return that body agree to ensure certain rights and protections. The taxes paid to most governments are used inefficiently and that is a shame, but when providing social services such as public education, libraries, and public transportation, they invest into something which does not have any intrinsic return. When the government subsidizes the airlines, they do not necessarily gain any profit. They gain by allowing exchanges of business and greater happiness for their citizens (which results in greater productivity, indirect returns by way of business etc.). This benefit should extend to everyone.
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Male 122
I HATE FAT PEOPLE. there, i said it, i feel better now.
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Male 3,646
An overweight person`s right to be overweight infringes upon the right of another person to be comfortable. People who take up two seats should pay for both seats they occupy.

And garble, the government is a business, and just like a business, its goal is to make money. If the didn`t minimize costs and maximize profit, then we would all be paying higher taxes. I don`t fly, so that`s more money coming out of my pocket paying the income for people who have 14 children, and no job.

But in this particular case, the airline should not have gone back on their word, or tell the correct information the first time. Perhaps she misheard what was said?

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Female 317
thats a woman???? oh my! she`s disgusting!
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Male 2,510
well said hollowshyguy.
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Male 220
Well said garble.
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Male 914
well it was wrong for the airline to tell her she could have 2 seats for one, then go back on their word...can`t really comment on whether "big" people should get this special treatment or not because there`s literally just enough room in an ariplane seat for even an average sized person...so do "little" people count as a small child or infant?
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Female 70
the airline is in the business of providing flights, not seats. A passenger should not have to pay extra for the right to fly just because airlines want to pack as many seats as possible into a plane.
Its also total bullpoo that Airlines are simply private companies, if that were true this would be a non issue. Airlines get subsidized by the government to a great extent which means that they provide a public service and as such everyone should have equal access.
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Male 72
If you weigh as much as two people and you take up as much space as two people then you should be charged as much as two people. >_> It`s no one`s job to pay for the fuel and space it takes to haul your fat ass other than yours. Some fat people can`t help being fat, but most of them are either too lazy or they`re shoving twinkies down their throats constantly...
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Male 166
i`m so sure she`d be completely comfortable in 1 seat. Airplane seats are pretty small.
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Female 741
Stop stuffing your mouth, you`ll save a lot of money that way lady
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Male 1,256
I forgot to mention in the beginning that the family of 3 had a combined weight of about 950 lbs.
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Male 1,256
READ THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OH MY GOD! This happens all the time. Most overweight people have no problem with it, but as soon as one gets upset, it`s suddenly a big deal. Here`s why fat people have to pay for two seats (and no, I`m not making this up):

My mom is a Captain for American Airlines. On one of her flights, a family of 3 people boarded the plane, and went to sit in their seats. The seats were all next to each other, and when they sat down, the entire row of seats broke, falling onto the laps of the people in the row behind them. This causes that row`s chairs to break, so now neither the fat family nor the innocent passengers can fly. Instead of apologizing, the overweight family demands a refund, and even throws a few harsh word at my mom and the rest of the crew. The victims in the seats behind the fat folks, however, work it out peacefully, and manage to score seats on the next available flight.

Moral of the story: Don`t try to fit 10 pounds into a five pound bag.

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Male 384
drat it shes fat, she should have to pay. she`s transporting 2 seats worth of ass, so she should buy 2 seats.

fat may be a damn epidemic, but it aint a damn disabilty... you can lose weight.

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Male 375
"Being overweight is not a disability ... it`s a lifestyle choice, thusforth she should pay her way and stfu." Amen brotha, being a fat ass is definately not a disability, I would be pissed if I had to sit next to her on a plane.
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Male 1,036
It`s just a question of girth. Airlines don`t have an obese section in planes. They also can`t afford to give up a seat to accomodate exceptionnal body types. I don`t see why the company should have to give, free of charge, an extra seat to someone whophysically needs more room because in the end, you pay for the space you take up on the plane and not the trip itself. Thats why they make you pay for extra luggage.
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Male 2,582
"how about giving a deal to the person who has to sit next to her?
you know "get half off if you sit next to a fat ass"
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lol, awesome idea! Also I thought "robust" people where supposed to be jolly, this one is poo-tossing pissed.
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Female 91
yeah that extra seat wasn`t next to hers but what if the person sitting next to her wanted to move? Then there is an open seat.
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Male 2,148
Ok, so a ruling in a Canadian court somehow has an effect on what goes on in Australia? Interesting...

Really though, the other passengers who are discomforted by sitting next to a larger person should pay for the extra seat. Or the airline shouldn`t book that seat. They shouldn`t just say "you`re fat, now pay us more money."

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Female 15,763
The airline is a business. It`s "discriminating" against heavy people just like the o-touch rule at strip clubs "discriminates" against the blind.

That word has lost all meaning.

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Female 91
how about giving a deal to the person who has to sit next to her?
you know "get half off if you sit next to a fat ass"
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Male 833
heh... maybe theyll start making "husky" size plane seats....
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Male 97
As a bigger person I realize this policy exists, it`s stupid as hell UNLESS the flight is booked solid. Then maybe I can understand, but if there is space enough to move me where there are 2 open seats and noone next to me, then there`s no reason to charge for the extra seat.

Were it me in this situation I would have responded "You want me to have an extra seat for other passengers comfort? Then they can pay for it."

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Male 833
honestly... i think its fair... ive had to sit next to an overly obese person... and by next to i mean on... cause she took up my seat too.

sooooo yeah jenny craig time

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Male 31
Why not just tell her to buy a stick to shove up her @$$ and balance on the whole frikkin` flight.. Damn airports..
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Male 100
Title VII also prohibits discrimination because of participation in schools or places of worship associated with a particular racial, ethnic, or religious group".

This woman seems to me to be considering her obesity as a disability ... which is B.S. Being overweight is not a disability ... FFS if the world`s heaviest man can lose a crapload of weight... so can this woman . Being overweight is not a disability ... it`s a lifestyle choice, thusforth she should pay her way and stfu.

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Male 100
Then add to all of that the rules all employers follow ... " Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VII), which prohibits employment discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin" & " Discriminatory practices under these laws also include:

* harassment on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, national origin, disability, or age;
* retaliation against an individual for filing a charge of discrimination, participating in an investigation, or opposing discriminatory practices;
* employment decisions based on stereotypes or assumptions about the abilities, traits, or performance of individuals of a certain sex, race, age, religion, or ethnic group, or individuals with disabilities; and
* denying employment opportunities to a person because of marriage to, or association with, an individual of a particular race, religion, national origin, or an individual with a disability.

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Male 100
It all comes down the the way our government is... in all reality people tend to flex their rights a wee bit too much . It`s the same idea as more and more people getting disabilty , welfare , section 8 housing , etc when in reality they don`t need any of them. It all comes down to loopholes in our founding rules, etc.

Minorities , lazy people , people in general in the US always want more than what they have. There`s this whole " Grass is Greener on the other side complex " that I feel most people have where they try to get things for free , think what they have is crap cause there`s always something better out there , and try to get poo for free and not pay their own way.

I think this situation here is alot like a ( Insert any race of people here ) person stating " Are you doing this because I am ( Insert same race of person before here ) ? "

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Female 1,604
there isn`t anything wrong with asking her to buy another seat after all if someone sat next to her she would be partly in their seat too and how is that fair to that flyer? it isn`t.
so waa waa shuddup
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Male 240
"BUT it`s the company that told her not to worry about its fault."
She said this... not the company
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Male 98
And just for the heckuvit.

I`m underweight. I weigh very little for someone my size and take up very little room. Can I get a discount?

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Male 98
Ok, buying a second seat being ethical and what not aside...

What`s the point of having her buy a second seat to `afford space for comfort` and all that jazz.. when the second seat wasn`t actually next to her?

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Male 599
>Keegan31
>You pay for the space you take up.
agreed
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Male 228
You pay for the space you take up. Maybe airplanes should start charging people by the pound, luggage and passengers. More weight costs more fuel to transport. I say this as a 275lb man.
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Female 1,082
That is exactly what I was going to say outfire.
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Female 40
People should not have to pay for two seats just to fit as comfortably as an average person would in one seat.
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Male 882
fatty
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Male 524
Passengers PAY for a space on the plane. They pay for that particular seat. If others take PART of that space from the passenger, then that`s stolen space. I don`t discriminate against the obese, but i think that people should get exactly as much space on the plane as they payed for, no more, no less.

In this particular situation, the airline was at fault for saying that she didn`t have to pay and then telling her that she does later on, but still.

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Male 1,089
"//Compare it to getting a drink at McDonald`s.
If you want more than fits in a large (hugo/supersize or whatever is the biggest nowadays), then you would have to pay for the second cup.
What this woman wants is to pay for one cup, then steal a few sips of someone else`s drink. It`s ridiculous to think that the person being stolen from should allow that to happen, or to think that McDonald`s should give them a second cup free.
Even if it`s not be her fault that she`s thirsty. //


That is the dumbest drating comparison ever"
@undeadonion.
y is it a bad comparison? that is a great comparison. wut do u propose the airline does? dumba_ss

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Female 316
i find it hilarious that her 2 seats weren`t next to each other.

2 for the price of one? that`s madness! just cuz she`s fat, she can take up more space without paying extra?

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Male 19
If you can`t fit in one seat than you should have to pay for two. its not rocket science. I fly all the time and there is nothing worse than having to sit next to someone that it overweight
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Male 1,764
Fat people have the same right as others, not more.
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Female 213
//Compare it to getting a drink at McDonald`s.
If you want more than fits in a large (hugo/supersize or whatever is the biggest nowadays), then you would have to pay for the second cup.

What this woman wants is to pay for one cup, then steal a few sips of someone else`s drink. It`s ridiculous to think that the person being stolen from should allow that to happen, or to think that McDonald`s should give them a second cup free.
Even if it`s not be her fault that she`s thirsty. //


That is the dumbest drating comparison ever

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Male 1,265
Wow she`s more than twice my weight and I`m a guy, almost 6 foot. Yeah she should have to pay for two, BUT it`s the company that told her not to worry about its fault.
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Male 367
What has our world come to?
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Male 342
367 lbs? Look, you`re the size of 2 people, pay for 2 seats simple as that
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Male 719
And if you`ve never been on a plane, please stop commenting on how the seats were separated on the tickets. When boarding, most companies will place the seats near each other, if at all possible.
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Male 719
If you consume more, then you should pay more.
It`s just that simple.

Compare it to getting a drink at McDonald`s.
If you want more than fits in a large (hugo/supersize or whatever is the biggest nowadays), then you would have to pay for the second cup.

What this woman wants is to pay for one cup, then steal a few sips of someone else`s drink. It`s ridiculous to think that the person being stolen from should allow that to happen, or to think that McDonald`s should give them a second cup free.
Even if it`s not be her fault that she`s thirsty.

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Male 153
when your too fat that some people (like me)cant tell your a girl its time to buy two seats and not complain.

But putting the seats in two different places was kinda dumb.

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Male 3,482
Well, fat people can complain all they want, but the fact is that the airline`s probably recieved nearly twice the complaints from average people that didn`t like being squished against The Blob.

However...

While the "large person having to buy two seats" thing is probably the biggest reason this is gaining publicity, there were also a few other mistakes apparently made by the flight company, like telling her not to worry about paying for the extra seat, then trying to charge her.

I don`t think it was discrimination, so much, as a lack of communication.

This is coming from someone who`s considered "obese," though I don`t take up two airline seats...

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Male 742
Shutup,fatty
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Male 650
yeah, its not like being fat is permanent, you can always lose weight so I think it`s not considered discrimination.
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Male 52
God I hate when I`m flying and they put a fat person next to me... Their fat takes up the armrest and spills onto my lap. Usually they fall asleep too and drool all over the place. And I think it`s stupid that Canada said fat people get 2 seats for the price of one, all that does is provide an incentive for getting fat.
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Female 960
I agree, if you`re so huge you spill over onto the other seat, then you need to pay for the other seat. Maybe it`ll encourage you to lose some weight.

I fly all the time and have been squashed against these ham-beasts. Its not fun and kinda gross when one of their rolls droops onto you.

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Female 208
Good lord, she weighs about 350 pounds! She needs to get off her butt and exercise and lay off the gross big macs. It is hard for me to feel sorry for fat people, very rarely does anybody has a condition that makes them ballon up like that. And good for the airline that made her pay for 2 seats, maybe it will give her motivation to get healthier. But it sucks they did not put the seats together
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Male 240
Pay for the extra seat, and shut ya fat trap. You`re a 350 pound gas giant.
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Male 171
Fat people should pay extra for everything
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Male 2,159
Holy hamburger! Samantha? Don`t you mean Samuel? Plus the occupation was kinda predictable.

I think Jetstar had a reasonably OK idea, I mean, more space for her, no squished passengers, but in splitting the seats and charging for the 2nd one (although, seats are money), that idea was poorly executed.

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Male 779
It`s your fault for being huge. Don`t want to pay for two seats, stop being the size of two people.
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Male 500
Simple, punch small hole in fuselage and ask passenger to press vast butt against it. Fly to 40,000 ft and let lack of external air pressure do the rest (like in Alien Resurrection). Voila, passenger now fits easily in one seat, and light showers of cellulite over much of Queensland throughout the day.
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Female 308
its really quite interesting to see just how many of you are discriminatory towards fat people. I`m not gonna say its not self inflicted or anything but Seriously being fat doesn`t make you any less human, you have the same feelings and should be treated with the same respect as fit people. And not all fat people are disgusting slobs who smell bad and eat 24/7 for drats sake.
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Female 1,516
You know, I can think of so many points to make on both sides of this argument, but I`m going to just say that this whole situation is sad.
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Male 2,855
looks like the airline is at fault here, if you pay for 2 seats because you are fat then you have the right to put your left butt on one seat and the right butt on the other. fatty.
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Male 17
Oh dear lord. Do any of you who are talking about the two seats not together have any clue?

Here is the deal, they weren`t together according to her tickets. NOT THE BOARDING PASSES. So when she presents the tickets for the boarding passes, she would have gotten two seats together. It isn`t that hard of a concept to understand. The plane was kind of full, and the seats near her ticketed seat were full, so they had to sell her a seat that was not right next to her original ticket. It would have been fixed when she got her boarding pass.

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Female 525
Some of you are being so blind its sad. They wanted her to pay for 2 seats that WERE NOT EVEN TOGETHER. This means they wanted her to pay double when it would have neither given other passengers their rightful comfort, or her own. So they are charging double for nothing. If they charge by weight solely, that is another story and everyone would be paying different prices, but that is not the policy. It is if you are overweight, you buy 2 seats so you don`t take up part of someone else`s seat WHICH CANNOT HAPPEN WHEN THE SEATS ARE NOT TOGETHER. Think I would rather be fat than as dumb as some people that can`t even understand the common sense aspect here. Of course obsese people should buy 2 seats, but not when she still only gets one seat. Geez.
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Male 256
Jumbocookie... lol! Mr Roboto couldn`t get past security.
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Male 1,557
Wouldn`t it be more comfortable for HER to buy another seat? Maybe a child fare, then she could put the table down on the empty seat and have some more storage space etc, as it`s not that likely she`d get the table down over her tummy.

She does look like a rather ugly sweaty type though doesnt she? Is she definitely a woman?

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Male 3,301
*punches kevinmiller0 in the face and then high fives him*
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Male 171
You have to pay extra for excess baggage right? Oh wait..... hahahahahahaha
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Female 101
I agree with Kaiser... I`m in a management in customer service and if I have an inept employee that gives bad information I need to own up and make things right. The fact that they booked the seats in seperate rows just adds insult to injury. In this situation I don`t think that this lady should had to have paid for the two seats, those things considered. But do I disagree that someone too big to fit comfortably in one airplane seat should have to pay for two seats if that is company policy? Not at all.
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Male 1,244
Haha! I read "Robot Passenger On Airplane Has Seat Problem"
lol
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Male 108
Taking out the moral ethics, fat vs. not fat, should fat people have to buy two argument. What it boils down to, in my mind, was that yes, the airline had a large person = two seats policy.

But she was twice told by the airline "we can get around the policy of charging a big person for two seats".

So, seeing that the airline told her that, yep they`re in the wrong

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Male 74
Nothing wrong with what the airline did.

If your so obese that you actually require 2 seats on an airplane then surely you have a pretty big problem.

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Female 62
Yeah, I mean, if I was big I`d buy 2 seats as well for my own comfort. However, they split up her seats. So she really had one seat to sit in and there was just an empty seat somewhere else on the plane that she paid for.
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2,831
there should be a rule about smelling, most fat people smell really bad and thats so much worse.
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Male 527
If the airline wanted her to use two seats they should pay for the other one.
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Male 1,596
put her in the cargo hold, there done
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Male 237
I agree with the airline`s decision..execution was a total failure...and I`m a bigger person. I`m not what you`d call "huge" but I`m not small either. If I had the cash I`d volunteer to buy two seats just because it is more comfortable for ME. Even when I go to the movies I like to have at least one seat between me and the next person (unless I`m with someone) just so I don`t have to compact myself.

I flew from DFW to Germany one time and I was seated next to a pretty big Swedish guy and it was the most uncomfortable flight I`ve ever made..not considering it was nearly 12 hours...

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Female 387
Maybe instead of making people pay per seat, they should pay per weight. That way, children still pay less, but larger people pay more. It also covers fuel costs! Then they could set a passenger weight limit for the plane, instead of a passanger number limit.

Only problem is, this would never work in real life.

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Male 17
"Ummm, I would like free poo because im really fat, thanks"
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Male 17
It isn`t fair. It isn`t fair that she is fat. It isn`t fair that seat manufacturers only make seats for normal weight people. It isn`t fair she has to buy two seats.

SO WHAT! Life isn`t fair.

The airline should not have to give two for the price of one.

Kaiser, she never said she was fine with buying two seats. I have no idea where you read that.

They gave her two seats that weren`t together because the plane was full of passengers, and the assigned seats get changed when you get your boarding pass. Simple as that. The seats near her were already given out, and they would have changed that when she checked in.

Since so many fat people are going to boycott jetstar now, I am going to go out of my way to fly them for my comfort

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Male 11,739
I agree with andystevens. No way in hell I`d sit next to her for 5 minutes, much less an entire flight. If she doesn`t like it, lose weight or don`t fly. I don`t think it`s discrimination. They`re just considering the other passengers. That would be very uncomfortable.
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Male 4,290
Kaiser: Of course she was fine with being given two seats for the price of one. I`d be fine with that too, and I`m not fat. But if she HAS to have two seats because she`s too fat to fit in one, she should have to pay for two seats.

Obviously the airline should have told her that from the start, and they definitely should have put the seats together. Both those things are indefensible mistakes on the airline`s part.

But the main point is: If you take up two seats, you should pay for two seats.

And @whoever mentioned it: a wheelchair is definitely NOT the same.

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Female 1,653
Yeah but fatness is self-inflicted, so she`s gotta realise that people will take the piss.
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Male 247
I would demand to be reseated if that fatty was seated next to me. Is that really a woman?
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Male 240
I thought whales swim where the want to go?
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Female 961
sh*t happens
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Male 122
She works in I.T. - who would have guessed?

Go for a walk. Ride a (specially reinforced) bike. Stop eating chef boy r dee with a funnel.

Oh - and when you travel by air... face up to the fact that you are going to have to pay for your poor decision-making. I sure shouldn`t have to be the one to suffer for your lack of self discipline!

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Female 688
1. I think the airline should have used a bit more tact. Overweight people are, as you know, human beings and we do have feelings, emotions. If you tickle us do we not laugh, if you prick us do we not bleed, if you stab us do we not die.

2. If she paid for two seats (or rather if she had to have paid for a second set) the air line should have made it adjacent. Otherwise it`s just being hypocritical to say it was for other people`s comfort. All that is for is to make the airline`s wallet more fat.

There`s actually a lot I would like to say especially about this topic (being overweight), but the ignorant and rude would not understand. And I pray that they never have to go through the hurt that it feels to be mocked, laughed at, and called cattle. No human being deserves that treatment.

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Male 777
Did any of you actually read the article? She was fine with having to use two seats. She`d known that since she first booked the flight. The problem was that they`d told her that she wouldn`t have to pay for two seats, and that, because she was overweight, she`d get a two for the price of one deal. Then, when she called the night before the flight to check in some luggage, they suddenly said that she had to pay for both of her seats. And, when she did, the airline further screwed her by making her two seats not next to each other.
Seriously, read the article before you make your opinion.
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Male 889
she looks like a straight up dude in that pic, doesnt this bitch own a mirror?
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Male 64
The airline has every right to do so. The airline shouldn`t have to lose money over the cost of giving up an extra seat or the cost to fly someone much heavier than the average person, and seriously if the passenger has a problem, then lose some weight. This isn`t about discrimination, it`s cost efficiency.
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Male 1,788
Ha!
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Female 165
Personally, I feel if someone`s... anatomy is invading on the personal space of the person next to them - then this practice is warranted. When I flew to Arizona a couple of years ago, I sat next to a larger man who definitely invaded on the space I was supposed to be purchasing. (And I was not very happy.)

I guess, in a blunt sense, I`m simply saying, if you weigh over a certain amount, you need to accept that when in small area - you need more space than the average person. It may not exactly be fair that one would have to purchase another ticket, but it`s also not fair for someone else to be terribly uncomfortable for however many hours the flight is.

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Female 495
I don`t know really. It has to be pretty humiliating for her to need to get two sets. Its a shame that they dont start introducing a select few extra bigger seats for bigger people - because people are getting obese more and more.

However, if i end up sitting next to a large person on the train or bus in rush hour for example, it is incredibly annoying because I get squashed up against the side, and my personal space feels very invaded - why should I have to be uncomfortable because somebody else has a weight problem and doesnt care about the comfort of anybody else? As wrong and selfish as I know that sounds.

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Male 357
It`s not her fault she is fat. It`s the food. It`s simply too tasty. They shouldn`t be allowed make food so tasty and scrumptious.
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Male 1,406
It`s a tricky situation - people in wheelchairs basically get whatever service they could want for free, that`s naturally accepted. The problem is whether or not being big is a handicap, and if the public should support these people.

Some people really do have problems that they can`t work their way around, and they have to deal with the annoyance of being huge. However if we say it`s fine for people to be huge, they`ll eat without any problem. Obviously it`s not the same for people in wheelchairs. Right now I`m leaning towards telling her that you only get one seat per your ticket, and if you`re obese you shouldn`t be treated special. It`s a tough break for the people who can`t change, but I can`t think of a better solution (asking people to prove that they can`t change seems a little farfetched).

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Male 22
I`m split over this, she shouldn`t get two seats for the price of one, but should she be forced to buy a second seat if she`s willing to squeeze herself into one? Especially as the company split the two seats up anyway! Also if she should pay more, why shouldn`t short people pay less?
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Male 561
Why can`t she travel with the rest of the herd?
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Male 4,290
If you take up two seats, you should pay for two seats.
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Male 407
She wanted two seats for the price of one. Anyone else would get laughed at, she gets to call discrimination because she eats too much.
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Female 1
Link: Robust Passenger On Airplane Has Seat Problem [Rate Link] - She was asked by the airline to buy a second seat `for other people’s comfort.` Was the airline wrong in doing so?
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