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Yes thats true. Although that line or reasoning isn`t something that can always be used and make sense. But still, what is the point of legalising it? It would still be legalising something that isn`t smart, isn`t necessary.. it gives the impression that its OK to do it. Why legalise it just so people with no self-control or love for their bodies can do it legally?
Was thinking that exact same thing. There will always be a black market.
So we`ll just add to the list, shall we?Hell, if we`re handing out legality, we may as well stick murder on there.
Just because cigarettes and booze are legal, it doesn`t mean every new substance we come across should be treated in the same way.
Also, what`s this crap about putting a tax on it to help the finanicial problems?
Sure, everyone will be willing to pay for taxed pot, instead of getting the CHEAPER stuff from other sources.
So, SO naive...
The problem is people dont do their own research, they listen to the talking points of other people and cling to it. High ranked DEA officials have come out on the record saying its a waste of their time and money to fight the "war on pot"...its not the devil`s drug and everyone knows it now...all that 50`s - 80`s propaganda has been unvieled and we all know the truth now so lets stop acting like Weed is destroying our country
not only that, but seriously, the role of our government, as defined by the founders of this country, was to to protect us, and little more.anytime i hear about someone getting a jail sentence for some pot, it makes me sad thinking that a more than likely good person is going to jail, and now, as a taxpayer, i gotta help foot that bill!
Hemp for Victory!
If you legalize it, you can regulate it, moderate it, make money off it, and most importantly, TAX it.
It would be a nice shot in the arm for the economy in America.
As for the age limit, 21 if that`s what they keep the alcohol age limit. 18 otherwise.
my argument is two words: "alcohol" and "tobacco"
The fact that it isn`t a productive pastime has nothing to do with the fact that what I do in my spare time should be my and only my decision, not the governments.
I think the gains outweigh the losses
But then again, take a look at alcohol:Good:Drunk-feelingBad:Pain-increasingDepression-causingAmbition-killingAddictiveCauses violent behavior in some people
I`ve posted like 8 times about this point. Difference in how much smoke you inhale, difference in how many you smoke....etc, etc..
I always read those pool carefully since last time. Somebody`s trying to mess with our cognitives abilities on iab, i`m pretty sure of that.
How is that ANY different from cigarettes and lung cancer?
12 million regular users. 8000 people get testicular cancer per year.70% increase in risk to Marijuana users.
Result:Total of 400 odd cancer patients a year due to Marijuana.
Thank you for playing."
You are citing one study, done with very few people. Do you know how many hundreds of studies there need to be before the medical community recognizes something like that as a connection and nothing more than a coincidence?
Also, how many of those people die?
Economics are on the side of marijuana. So are statistics and common sense.
Fight the power!
Times aren`t so exponential anymore now are they?!
Let`s degenerate America`s society even more by legalizing marijuana.
Anyone want to fight about it?
HOLY poo THATS ALMOST .001% OF THE POPULATIONMore people die from drinking too much and drowning in their own puke, which is impossible with pot.(you can only OD on pot if you take SO MUCH that you asphyxiate from lack of oxygen)
If I never have to hear one more explanation about how it "isn`t that bad," legalization would be worth it.
So people should be able to smoke weed but not until 28? When they are responsible enough to be able to use tobacco at 18 and drink at 21? Why 28, anyway? I mean, I agree that weed should not be legalized for minors but I don`t know why you`re not mature enough to handle it at 25, 26, or 27 but at 28 you are finally responsible enough. We shouldn`t keep pushing back the age where the law says, "you`re finally old enough for us to allow you to decide whether or not you want to take this substance". I know that a 21 year old is not as mature as a 40 year old, but that doesn`t mean that they`re still so helpless that they still need to be told what`s best for them.
now watch what happens when we pay tax on it.
Most of the people who I know who use marijuana did, in fact, smoke `a ton` in their teenage years. And legalising it will stop kids getting hold of it?
Lets lead by example, if you`re man enough.
The dangers of marijuana are alot less than that of cigarettes or alcohol.
And the study you are talking about says that testicular cancer has a higher risk if you smoke a ton of marijuana when you are 14-17.
Testicular cancer does. Marijuana causes a rise in Testicular cancer. Estimated regular usage and estimated risen risk indicates:
Thank you for playing.
`Research` misses the fact that there are knock-on effects.
What makes you think it doesn`t cause more harm being illegal, than it would legalized?
Also it might help reduce drug trafficking and organised crime since nobody will want weed from them anymore
that might be, might be, might be the stupidest metaphor i`ve ever come across.
...so what`s the problem?
I don`t smoke and I think pot is bad and ruins families and dinner.
No, that`s a lie. It is true I don`t smoke pot and never will, but I don`t see the harm in it. I know a lot of potheads and just as many drunks. I`d rather hang with the potheads.
I`d also vote for a smoking ban though. :P
Ya but isn`t that kinda the persons choice?
although i do think that the penalties are too severe,
why am i arguing on this forum nobody is seriously going to read this anyway...
Excellent argument for legalization.
"since theres no age restriction option, i guess i`ll just have to go with everyone`s invited :)"
everyone of age = Age restricted (First option)
It`ll never be legalized anyway. No matter how much people want it to be. It has been turned into a horrible drug that FORCES you to move on to getting hooked on Heroin, Cocaine and Reality Television. Because, cigarettes and alcohol are PERFECTLY safe. /eyeroll
Even so, cigarettes are smoked much more than spliffs would be, so overall the amount of smoke inhaled is much less."
Yeah i completely agree. Although that just applies to people doing it smartly! I can`t imagine many people would want to smoke a spliff through a filter! I dont think I would!
I would imagine you would inhale much more smoke per spliff than per cigarette though. Although I have no evidence for that!
The only cases, to my knowledge, where it has been found that a patient who smoked marijuana had cancer, also smoked cigarettes.
Smoking anything produces some risk of cancer, marijuana does not pose a major risk because of three reasons:1. People who smoke cigarettes usually smoke every single day.2.. People who smoke marijuana every day don`t smoke packs of joints a day. While marijuana MAY pose more risk per joint, it doesn`t pose as much overall risk.3. Marijuana does not have to be smoked.
Once again, Tobacco kills however many thousands of people a year, marijuana, none.
I don`t understand your question.
Even so, cigarettes are smoked much more than spliffs would be, so overall the amount of smoke inhaled is much less.
I know that cigarette smoke is really nasty stuff, and im sure that a big cause of lung cancer is probably more to do with the toxis than actual smoke. --- But some studies have found that smoke from spliffs has 50% more cancer causing carcinogens than tobacco. That was from the British Lung Foundation. Couple with the fact that most people don`t smoke them pure, so you have tobacco toxins in there too.
Of course you can probably find statistics to state otherwise. But don`t you feel that cannabis *might* be dangerous in that respect?? To me saying that it isn`t seems a little short sighted.
Rat poison, and cyanide, both kill. First, by your metaphor, cyanide should be legal correct?
Yes of course, why then, you would come back and say, no that`s not what I meant, it should be illegal because it`s bad for you.
So by that you are saying alcohol, because it is bad for you, should indeed be illegal? Well, we tried that. Didn`t work too well.
It would be fine, having less bad things for you being legal, if it didn`t create crime. If it didn`t create drug trafficking, murder, and everything that goes along with it.
ALSO, you are assuming, a major assumption in my eyes, that marijuana is DANGEROUS. Which, sorry to correct you again, but it is not.
ZERO deaths have been associated with marijuana. And police rarely, if EVER, have to fight a combatitive stoned person. Violence and stoners, do not co-exist.
ECONOMIC VIABILITY- IT`S WHAT`S IN POT!
8. Government would then be able to regulate those scary THC levels they are always so afraid of.
1. Impossible to regulate2. Price of regulation would outweigh benefits3. Increased drug use4. Increased impaired driving5. Increased cost in police force used to curtail impaired driving.6. Everyone would just grow their own.
POINTS FOR1. Regulate like tobacco, make selling seeds highly illegal, make growing plants without permit highly illegal2. Billions in tax revenue, corrections, prosecutions, and police force would be saved, outweighing regulation cost.3. Less drug use, just like people over 21 drink less because it is no longer illegal for them.4. Cost of policing impaired driving would be less than cost of police now.5. People wouldn`t grow pot plants if they could buy joints from the gas station down the block.6. Studies have shown time and time again street officers support legalization of marijuana.7. Stopping some of the mexican drug trade that is causing a civil war.
is trolling, just leave him alone
P.S. I don`t smoke weed. But everyone, EVERYONE in my life does.
should have to be 16-18 ish before alllowed. but yes it should be decriminalized/legalized
Ask the police what are the cause and effect of the "war on drugs"
also let me know how many people died in the great crusade against a "poison" like marijuana.
If it was just as you were saying then I agreed with you. But too many people in prison, and too many people dead later, the "war" drugs has been a complete and utter failure.
Besides how dare you try to insist what I can and cant do. If what you say is true, you should never be allowed to do anything that could be addicting, which includes a whole loootttaa things such as video games and even basic eating.
There is a reason why they stopped prohibition on alcohol back then, and it will almost parallel with the reason why I think they should legalize marijuana.
BTW about the whole "history thing", you should take your own advice and read up on marijuana history.
Personally, I think stupid teenage brainless stoners are stupid, but a lot of us are smart and use it for better uses then just being cool.
anyone who is against it`s use, even though they aren`t using it, is just ignorant and will one day die from alcohol poisoning or overdose on pain pills, or even just get cancer of the lungs or throat from cigarettes, since people have actually died from those substances..and not one single person has died from marijuana. It`s proven it actually stunt cancer growth.
I think we should be worrying about crack and speed and heroin,not a substance that has never hurt a person just because some person`s ignorance.
I dont like lettuce, that doesn`t mean I can be like " oh yeah that should totally be illegal"
If you don`t like people peer pressuring you, tell them to grow the drat up and don`t hang out with them. Only immature people peer pressure.
Having said that - what would be the point in legalising it? It isn`t healthy, there is no need to do it, its not something that should really be encouraged. Once it is legalised for any length of time, it will be incredibly hard to go back if it doesnt work out.
Im totally for legal use for certain medicinal purposes however.
actually marijuana was and is greatly used in south america and mexico. your whole comment made no sense at all. and marijuana is less dangerous than alcohol in many cases, and less dangerous than cigarettes*(ifyoursmoking completely untainted marijuana)* alcohol makes many people violent, and makes it hard for people to control thier body (walking, driving, talking) cigarettes do not alter your mind or your percetions of reality, but are riddled with chemicals and addictive substances. Marijuana DOES alter reality and i would NEVER reccomend operating machinery or driving while high, but it does not cause you to act the same as when you are drunk, and although it does create some similar effects as alcohol-these effects are much less. it just makes you laugh and eat alot and drink alot of water. what is the big deal? do it in moderation :)
I`m sure those against it would think it`s a sign of the final days, but if it`s intake is restricted the way alcohol is, it`s a no harm, no foul drug.
It`s just been put back up a class B drug in the UK which I think is good.
btw your name makes me giggle.
The inner know-it-all in me is compelled to tell you that the Prohibition happened before the Depression, during the 1920s. Otherwise, I completely agree with you.
I think people just over think it and take extra safe precautions.
I`m sure if you smoke enough of it, like absolutely wasted,it could definitely impair your driving. There should be a legal limit for that if pot is legalized.
If the hookers in Amsterdam weren`t tested constantly and didn`t have crazy strict sterile procedures they go through with you before you do the deed, then that would be dangerous and I wouldn`t be so okay with it.
I`m also not for legalizing something like heroine or coke because that hurts people and really effs people`s lives up.
I don`t smoke here because its too risky with my job and everything but if it was legal I sure would.
and no one gives a poo if you dont have an opinion that just means your useless
It "kinda" happened with prohibition eh? Sounds like you know what the drat you are talking about. But you are right... "kinda" abusing alcohol is much worse then patronizing gangsters to get your illegal hooch and promoting murder and terrorism.
Here is your prohibition history crash course. During the great depression no one could get a job, which is well... quite depressing, so people drank. After this went on for a while, ass backwards morons like yourself thought people werent working cause they were drunk. So... they abolished alcohol.
Same thing happened with abortions, when they become illegal people get them illegally and often quite dangerously and many have died.
Ive never smoked pot but when you take away people`s rights, people find a way to get th
--Starr, that comment inspires me to go to Amsterdam one day. I don`t smoke it, but I want to see that... and you know, I heard the Red Light...ok I`ll shut up now.
or maybe people do it just to rebel against their parents? so by legalizing it less people will be doing it