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    ne028 Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 3:21 pm
    Link: Good & Bad Americans - ABC stages a bakery scene to see how people react to prejudice.
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    LadyMorgue Female 30-39
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    February 22, 2009 at 3:49 pm
    Wow... very interesting. Good link. The first guy reminded me of my Grandpa.
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    DCH4LiFe Male 13-17
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    February 22, 2009 at 3:50 pm
    hahaha rofls

    Repost?

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    HexedGoth Male 13-17
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    February 22, 2009 at 3:56 pm
    People that are like that salesman sicken me so much you shouldn`t define people by what they wear.
    I`m a good person but some people think that i`m bad because i wear black all the time.
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    AKappy Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 4:05 pm
    Maybe you shouldn`t mislead people by appearing freakish and frightening. It`s human nature to judge.
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    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 4:06 pm
    Wow, surprising reactions. I`d imagine more people would be, oh I don`t know, appalled at that. Regardless of whether the person is allowed to serve or not serve the woman, his reasons make it wrong. The law does not define morality.
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    Pilanus Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 4:08 pm
    Very Good Video, I am disgusted when I see racism or any prejudice, and unless I feel doing so would threaten my own safety, I will step and and stand up for the one facing the prejudice.
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    theRam Male 13-17
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    February 22, 2009 at 4:09 pm
    it`s people like these that slow down my loss of faith in humanity
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    GosuPaul Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 4:12 pm
    "I`m a good person but some people think that i`m bad because i wear black all the time."

    Not everyone on planet earth has the time to sit down and `get to know` everyone else, which is why our brains can recognize patterns (such as clothing, or skin color) and act, according to our experiences and knowledge.

    Regarding the post, I have immense respect for that man whose son had been overseas. It`s easy for someone who has no reason to be angry at a culture to `forgive` them (assuming there`s any forgiving to be done), but for someone who`s directly affected by it, it can be difficult -not- to harbor hatred and be prejudiced towards that culture group.

    "it`s people like these that slow down my loss of faith in humanity"

    Don`t be so God-damn cynical. Humans are humans, losing faith just means you`ve given up which is -not- okay. I know, you`re saying that things like this reassure you, but you shouldn`t be needing reassurance in the first place.

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    habbazoot
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    February 22, 2009 at 4:13 pm
    will there be a flamewar?


    i think i would hug the muslim person and give the finger and scream at the storeperson

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    quiknas Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 4:13 pm
    this kind of reminds me of the scene in "Life" with Eddie Murphy when he`s trying to get some pie at the diner/bakery...whatever that place was
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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 4:15 pm
    I`m confused, was the clerk and actor too, or was he a REAL racist @sshole?

    Dude, I used to have Muslim friends. There`s nothing wrong with most of them, but as with any group, there`s crazy`s.

    You can`t judge everyone based on a minority, or else every single American should be judged according to the example`s set by Jack the Ripper, or Marilyn Manson.

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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 4:15 pm
    Yeah, as a Muslim in Britain before 9/11, I`ve been attacked on several occasions, had bricks thrown through my window, and trashed my father`s car. My sister and cousin have both had bricks thrown at them, one hospitalized as a result. My mother was attacked once with a broken bottle and once with a cane for being with my father.

    Post 9/11 I`ve had a friend lose many of his teeth as a result of being jumped by 8 guys. I`ve been attacked a further 6 times.

    I personally have suffered no injuries.

    In particular, it bothered me that as a white woman, I often felt that my girlfriend/fiance/wife was safer on her own than with me there despite living in a fairly dangerous neighborhood.

    It infuriated me that in an area where you need an escort as a woman, I often felt like I was doing more harm than good being with her.

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    theRam Male 13-17
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    February 22, 2009 at 4:15 pm
    sorry, i should have specified that i`m losing faith in our intelligence. even though this isn`t directly related, it makes me relax a little bit. i`m not losing hope altogether.
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    in2gooh Female 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 4:16 pm
    maybe they should stop wearing something freakish and frightening???
    maybe you should stop being so ignorant and uneducated. I think muslims deserve a break big time! this must be a hard life
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    Red5TheFinn Male 13-17
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    February 22, 2009 at 4:18 pm
    Wowzers.

    And it`s kinda funny how the guy was clearly of Italian descent, clearly not American...and I know he`s an actor.
    And the blue outift she was wearing was SOOO COOL!
    This is disgusting...I hate this.

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    in2gooh Female 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 4:19 pm
    that post was @ Akappy
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    Red5TheFinn Male 13-17
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    February 22, 2009 at 4:20 pm
    And AKappy,
    Maybe you should cover your eyes because they are frightening to me and freakish!
    You`re an non-nice individual, go f*ck yourself.
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    Quackor Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 4:21 pm
    who the hell lends their store for this stuff? that is bad for business.

    btw muslim girl was hot, i would let her explode my rocket

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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 4:23 pm
    The Clerk was an actor.

    I think it`s very hard for non-Minorities to understand the scale of the prejudice and how it has a direct impact on your life. They see protections in place for minorities as being controlling and over the top.

    You really need to live with the other perspective for a little while, but also understand what it does to people.

    I`m a little bit... cold-hearted/unemotional I suppose, so I think when I explain the above I`ve remained immune to the natural inclinations alot of Muslims abroad have, to become reclusive and to sink into their own safe societies.

    I think I realize more than most that it`s not the majority, but it`s difficult to think that matters when it becomes dangerous to live day to day. It`s very easy to develop your own prejudices in response.

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    videogamer Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 4:25 pm
    AKappy, you just lost 100 respect points.

    Your current score is... 1.

    Better rebound quick, before you fall below 0 and become forever loathed.

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    Lockon Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 4:30 pm
    i lol`d
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    LillianDulci Female 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 4:31 pm
    "who the hell lends their store for this stuff? that is bad for business. "
    I thought that too, but then I remembered that the ABC people interviewed the people after the left. So they realize it wasn`t true or anything, they wont have any negative feelings of the store afterwards and it shouldn`t affect their business at all.
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    AnwarNova Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 4:33 pm
    holy sh*t baal that`s crazy >.< how do you manage to keep living there after all that crap...

    its weird. I`ve lived in the middle east, and sure people may not like America, or some western countries, but I would never be worried about my sister walking around the city by herself. people are hospitable, trusting and respecting over there...something that`s been lost in the West I think..

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    Pabasa Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 4:35 pm
    Ah brainwashed people. Reminds me of the Taliban for some reason.
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    Paul1582 Male 13-17
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    February 22, 2009 at 4:37 pm
    Young people are awesome.
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    AKappy Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 4:38 pm
    I wasn`t referring to Muslims, I was referring to HexedGoth saying people judge him for being gothic.
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    caboose117 Male 13-17
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    February 22, 2009 at 4:44 pm
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    I thought that too, but then I remembered that the ABC people interviewed the people after the left. So they realize it wasn`t true or anything, they wont have any negative feelings of the store afterwards and it shouldn`t affect their business at all."

    But thing about any psychological effects it would have upon the people. If you associate a store with "the place with the horrible people", of course there would be a part of you that won`t want to go back.

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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 4:46 pm
    Well... for starters I don`t live there anymore. I moved to Dubai about 3 years ago with wife.

    I`ve spent >10 years in Dubai and >10 Years in the UK all in all, moving back and forth, and maybe 2 in the US.

    I lived in a particularly bad places for a while. When I was at uni in Durham I was "only" attacked 2 times in 3 years. I didn`t feel particularly threatened there.

    When I lived in a run down part of Newcastle... I`d usually be verbally abused one in three times I went out.

    London wasn`t so bad.

    When I lived in Scotland... that was where almost all my stories of violence come from.

    In the US I didn`t have many problems either except in New York. Spent most of my Time in North Carolina, and had no serious problems other than odd looks.

    People in Mass. were awesome, initiated conversations and would happily talk to me if I talked first. Not one askew glance.

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    patthebaker Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 4:49 pm
    i love this what would you do stuff. good show
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    Pabasa Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 4:49 pm
    I find it sad how common the mentality of "You`re not like me, so you`re the bad guy and you`re wrong" is in today`s societies. How stupid is that? They keep on forgetting that, in the end, we`re all humans who eat and poop and breathe and have problems just like every other humans on this planet; humans like YOU.

    Why is there such a big gap between rejection and tolerance?

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    videogamer Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 4:51 pm
    AKappy: Good save. A bit skeptical, but still convincing enough.

    New score: 81, with a +20 bonus to help rescue you from your next faux pas.

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    AKappy Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 4:51 pm
    It has to do with the way people are raised. That, and the fact that people are insecure, idiotic animals.
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    mrbippy Male 30-39
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    February 22, 2009 at 4:58 pm
    I think Middle Eastern / Persian women are hot!
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    mal_BB Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 4:58 pm
    `When I lived in Scotland... that was where almost all my stories of violence come from`.
    Yeah i can pretty much believe that-I grew up 5 miles below the England/Scotland border, and whilst living in Scotland for 2 years, even I got abuse at times-although i was never attacked. It`s funny really, the Scottish can even be racist against other Scottish people. Incredible.
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    Siora Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 4:59 pm
    This actually happens?! That`s disgusting.
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    yellowsquare Female 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 5:03 pm
    LMAO @ "Just because you`re born in America doesn`t make you American."

    It`s sick that this still goes on. I can`t imagine being the actor behind the counter and getting encouragement from these lowlifes. It`d make me feel icky inside.

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    deadpopstar Female 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 5:07 pm
    At least more people stood up for the woman than agreed with the clerk, I would be very disappointed if it were the other way.

    I`m never witnessed an act ofdiscrimination in my life but I for one would stick up for that woman or any other person being discriminated against.

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    Dakkar Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 5:07 pm
    The video is telling in some respects, and agreeing with the clerk was pretty appalling. But I understand those who didn`t do or say anything probably a simple case of bystander syndrome and ABC should have pointed that out.

    I think a good first step would be for everyone to realize that some of our prejudices are hard-wired, like GosuPaul said. But its our upbringing and environment that allow us to overcome these shortcomings and interact with all people like rational beings.

    I won`t lie that I`ll make premature accusations based on various traits, but its never more than that. I worked with Muslim girls at the dining commons and they were some of the best employees and people that I supervised, although I felt awkward when I didn`t know exactly what foods the were/were not allowed to prepare.

    I`ve recognized my flaw and as such I am able to ignore that flaw. I find those that say the have no prejudices to be just about as dangerous as some racists.

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    caboose117 Male 13-17
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    February 22, 2009 at 5:15 pm
    "I`m never witnessed an act ofdiscrimination in my life but I for one would stick up for that woman or any other person being discriminated against."

    Somehow, I find that hard to believe you`ve never witnessed a discriminatory act... either you live only with white people, or that world of yours sure is ideal.
    Personally, I`ve probably felt the most discrimination from Blacks. Ironic much?

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    xxmiskawaiix Female 13-17
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    February 22, 2009 at 5:25 pm
    I love this video.It really shows whats on peoples minds. I am on the civil rights team at my school, and one of the things that people tell me the most is that I have a big sense of right and wrong. I would have stood up and have said " Hey! Just because someones different that makes them bad? Your part of the reason Muslims look at Americans like they do, so if anyone here is American, sir, you are not one of them. And you wonder why people call Americans racists and such. How do you sleep at night" That makes me so angry. What makes me even more angry is that it really DOES go on.
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    ambercooper Female 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 5:31 pm
    I`m all for justice but its weird to see that many of the people here opposed to this type of dicrimination have made discriminatory posts on boards of different topics. Discrimination comes in soo many more ways than race/culture...think about that
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    Mo73 Male 30-39
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    February 22, 2009 at 5:36 pm
    What about when people on forums like this just make blanket statments about Americans? or they say " only in america" it just gets to me.
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    Dakkar Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 5:41 pm
    miskawaii, reverse discrimination is still discrimination.

    Just because some Americans are prejudiced towards Muslims does not make it alright for Muslims to hate Americans. That is the exact thing this video is trying to depict! The fact that some Americans see all Muslims as terrorists due to 9/11 is wrong.

    Just as no person in that store was right to support the clerk, no Muslim, European, or another American has should be able to deny a similar service to a redneck with a big ol` scruffy beard wearing a jacket embroidered with the Stars and Stripes.

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    OptiSkiver Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 5:46 pm
    Human nature makes me sad sometimes, but then human potential is starting to make up for it. O.o I just wish we`d evolve faster. >.<;
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 5:48 pm
    ... yea... a lot of Americans are real fu*ktards.
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    shortsagitar Female 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 5:48 pm
    Akappy. you suck. seriously. Its her religion to wear what she wears. Thats like saying you cant come and shop in my store because you have a cross around your neck.

    i hate people like this. They need to be shot in the head because then the people would be a lot better without idiotic numbskulls who think all muslims are going to blow up the world.

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    dilldog123 Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 5:52 pm
    short, you must not have read on past his first comment...look later on and read his reply.
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    PacoP42 Male 13-17
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    February 22, 2009 at 5:57 pm
    i always act the best if ever i`m in a situation like this, just in case i really am on tv. was the woman speaking a different language? i think maybe the overall syncing might have been off...
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    zekumi Female 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 6:11 pm
    I was completely disgusted by some of the people in this video, but ... is it not awful that I can honesty say that if I was out somewhere and three of four clearly Muslim men walked in and none of them really spoke English, I`d be extremely, extremely nervous.

    And ... I dunno. I don`t think I`d be able to help it. I`d be scared.
    I`m aware of how prejudice has effected me, but I don`t know how to correct it.

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    ninjaparrot Female 13-17
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    February 22, 2009 at 6:14 pm
    This makes me sick! its amazing how someone could be so rude and even have the nerve to say those kind of things...
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    cuchulainn Male 30-39
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    February 22, 2009 at 6:24 pm
    I understand that there are many of you angry and upset, I feel the same.

    Yet, the reaction of <i>most</i> of the people gave me hope. Maybe, just maybe, there is hope for people afterall.

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    chillimac Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 6:34 pm
    this just tastes wrong.
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    _Perfection_ Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 6:57 pm
    I would have been on the phone with the media immediately if I ever saw something like that. It`s absolutely sickening, not the ignorant people who have prejudice, but the 22 people who stood by and said nothing.


    "In Germany they first came for the Communists,
    and I didn`t speak up because I wasn`t a Communist.

    Then they came for the Jews,
    and I didn`t speak up because I wasn`t a Jew.

    Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn`t speak up because I wasn`t a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Catholics,
    and I didn`t speak up because I was a Protestant.

    Then they came for me —
    and by that time no one was left to speak up.
    Martin Niemollor"

    Stand up for what you believe in. I will.

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    orionsbelt Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 7:08 pm
    perfection...thats exactly how i feel

    they say there are 2 americas...but there are 3

    one racist and anti-science...the other progressive and science-oriented

    the third is quiet and passive...doesn`t really stand out...and those are the ones who must come around or we`ll be drated as a counrty

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    PinkAndGreen Female 13-17
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    February 22, 2009 at 7:09 pm
    That one person who gave the thumbs up and complimented the clerk for not serving someone of a different race needs to live a lonely, unhappy life. Probably already does.

    I have friends of all races and religions, and I have gotten people who give me eyebrows when I say some of my best friends are Muslim. And it sickens me. Just because someone isn`t your religion/race, you would assume they were inferior to you, simply because they aren`t like you? I get so mad when things like these happen.

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    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 7:11 pm
    A. The shop owner has a right to serve or not serve anyone he wishes. That doesn`t mean what he did isn`t disgusting, stupid and clearly racist. The people who stood by and did nothing are just as bad.

    B. "You can`t judge everyone based on a minority, or else every single American should be judged according to the example`s set by Jack the Ripper"

    Jack the Ripper wasn`t American, homie.

    C. "What about when people on forums like this just make blanket statments about Americans? or they say " only in america" it just gets to me."

    Stupidity runs both ways. Not everyone recognizes that.

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    tryit0nce Female 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 7:15 pm
    I`m in tears right now... as an open minded Canadian who talks to a lot of cool Americans I sometimes forget how different our countries are.
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    luda16 Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 7:16 pm
    holy crap. the people that stood for the unjust actually made me sick to my stomach.. i`d stand up for the girl. we all deserve freedom.
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    aniray Female 13-17
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    February 22, 2009 at 7:23 pm
    well, i guess i can be honest with myself enough to admit that if it was more minor discrimination, like pooty looks or maybe getting her order wrong or something, i wouldnt say anything. but seriously, flat out verbally abusing her and trying to kick her out of the store? who would just ignore that? how could you, when its happening right in front of your face? it`d be like...idk, watching a guy spit in someone`s food and not telling them. its just wrong. its a basic human duty.
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    idontknow951 Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 7:26 pm
    Uh, why did they beep out the "fu*k you"? You can clearly hear it. I just have to say one thing. Justice left this world a long time ago. A woman is allowed to nearly kill a man, yet a man is not allowed to even slightly push her so he can get out. The younger generations has much to fix. I don`t particularly mind about the people who said yes or no because its their view on things and them standing in what they believe in. What`s really appalling are the 22 people who did nothing.
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    idontknow951 Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 7:27 pm
    "holy crap. the people that stood for the unjust actually made me sick to my stomach.. i`d stand up for the girl. we all deserve freedom."

    Yes, but have you ever attempted to view what they`re seeing? If they have been affected by 9/11, then they have every right to hate Muslims. Its human nature to think about revenge and self defense.

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    tryit0nce Female 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 7:30 pm
    Okay, in my defense I never said everyone in Canada has a brain. We just don`t get as much blatant discrimination... and most importantly, inaction about it. If that happened in my city every news channel would be there within the hour.
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    _Perfection_ Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 7:31 pm
    "Yes, but have you ever attempted to view what they`re seeing? If they have been affected by 9/11, then they have every right to hate Muslims."

    No, they most certainly do NOT have a right to hate Muslims.

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    muzloviti Female 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 7:33 pm
    Wow. People that are prejudiced are the reasons our country is so hated. I mean, how can we get a good reputation when we put down other Americans? America is the land of every body, not just who you want to know.
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    MechBFP Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 7:37 pm
    Move to USA idontknow951 you moron.
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    Dakkar Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 7:43 pm
    I still have to step up for the 22 people who didn`t say anything. Bystander syndrome is something that is deeply rooted into human nature and I would bet that about 95% of the people that did nothing were experiencing a case of that.

    Its just thinking that, "Its not my business, its not my battle, I`m going to stay out of it." Same thing happens in Elementary school before kids even know about this condition. One kid is taking a beating from 3 others, but all everyone does is watch until an authority figure comes by. In very broad terms, reliance on police and government has led people to question where to draw the line on vigilanteism.

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    Dakkar Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 7:48 pm
    That doesn`t make not saying anything the right thing to do, but its an internal struggle between two halves saying should I or shouldn`t I. In most cases, that struggle leads to a stalemate, and boom, the person does nothing. Now in situations more dire than this it is very easy to break the stalemate. Life and death situations are a clear cut example of when that stalemate is broken. But its not surprising to see bystander syndrome during a relatively small racial squabble, at least its not surprising to me.
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    MoltingAngel Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 8:06 pm
    idk, i has a lot of friends that are muslim and stuff, but i do see from the point of view of the clerk, i don`t pick fights w/ ppl of other ethnicities or religions cuz of legal stuff but that`s racist in itself. i really don`t think i`m altogether 2 racist but some ppl r just stupid. i`ve gotten into fights w/ ppl of just about every religion and origin and it`s all the same. i mean what`s the dif if some white trash punk idiot, a high class rich priss muslime, some high class broad, or a poorer person of a dif ethnicity, tis all the same to me. i do hang out w/ some racist ppl tho and i`ve stopped fights 2. it`s just how u were brought up really
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    Jerm_Leather Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 8:09 pm
    Wow. I`m so glad to see that some people did the right thing and stood up for their fellow human beings, instead of being prejudiced ass-clowns.

    It`s just like what the priest says in the movie Boondock Saints:
    "True evil is when good men do nothing."

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    Cataclism0 Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 8:11 pm
    im starting a new religion requiring a ski mask at all times. i bet that wont hold up
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    February 22, 2009 at 8:17 pm
    I used to be that ignorant. Like only a year ago... it`s amazing how some of us get different perspectives so quickly.
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    WhoaHeyDude Male 18-29
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    February 22, 2009 at 8:21 pm
    Cough::Average criminal doesn`t have a white face::Cough It might be close but it`s Black, White, then Hispanic.


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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    February 22, 2009 at 8:24 pm
    One quick thing about 9/11 giving them every right to hate Muslims.

    The problem is that in these cases the racism exists first, followed by the reaction. They don`t become racist because of 9/11.

    Are you suggesting that if it turned out to be whites like Timothy McVeigh, that those same Americans would stop serving white customers? would they have "every right" to stop serving white customers?

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    _Perfection_ Male 18-29
    1789 posts
    February 22, 2009 at 8:25 pm
    "Cough::Average criminal doesn`t have a white face::Cough It might be close but it`s Black, White, then Hispanic."

    *Cough* Actually "2/3 of all Criminals are white." --Criminal Justice By Joel Samaha *Cough*

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    HotCarl Female 18-29
    142 posts
    February 22, 2009 at 8:29 pm
    I wonder how much the owner of that restaurant was paid to hold this experiment there.
  77. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    February 22, 2009 at 8:30 pm
    Whoaheydude:
    In the United states, the average criminal does actually have a white face.

    The majority (69.7 percent) of persons arrested in 2007 were white. Whites accounted for 58.9 and 67.9 percent of persons arrested for violent crimes and property crimes, respectively.

    FBI source

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    PinkAndGreen Female 13-17
    918 posts
    February 22, 2009 at 8:37 pm
    "If they have been affected by 9/11, then they have every right to hate Muslims. Its human nature to think about revenge and self defense."

    So, let`s all hate the Japanese forever because of Pearl Harbor. Let`s all hate the Germans forever because of the Holocaust. Let`s hate all the whites for slavery.

    Actually, no they don`t. Just because 9/11 happened does not mean that you should hate and discriminate against all the Muslims. Should every American be hated and verbally abused and kicked out of a store in a foreign country because of Bush? You shouldn`t treat anyone like garbage just because of their race/religion.

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    patthebaker Male 18-29
    1768 posts
    February 22, 2009 at 9:34 pm
    "Jack the Ripper wasn`t American, homie."

    they were probadly thinking of Jack D. Ripper.


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    BoomStick Male 30-39
    122 posts
    February 22, 2009 at 9:38 pm
    lol. That old racist dude is somebody`s grandpa. No wonder he didn`t want to stay and chat with ABC about this! He`s gunna have some splainin` to do...

    Sadly Canada isn`t without it`s share of idiots either. It takes a long time to change people`s perceptions - but, God willing, this too shall pass.

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    Pijamas Male 18-29
    59 posts
    February 22, 2009 at 9:48 pm
    Lol, the owner of that restaurant must`ve been paid a fortune to compensate for all the customers he lost.

    And I for one am relieved to see that the majority of people stood up for that woman. Looks like there`s still some hope for us yet...

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    Zombiemike Male 18-29
    553 posts
    February 22, 2009 at 10:39 pm
    DET TUK OWR YOBS!!!
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    PontaFanta Female 13-17
    230 posts
    February 22, 2009 at 11:31 pm
    It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside to see people stand up to him like that. Although the crying seemed a little fake.....Oh well, that`s not the point ;)
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    Habute Male 18-29
    256 posts
    February 23, 2009 at 12:53 am
    and the oscar goes to.... "*sniff sniff * it really hurts me..."

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    Tisjokar Male 18-29
    985 posts
    February 23, 2009 at 2:21 am
    MOAR GEWD MERICANS.

    and also.

    DEY TUK UWR YEOBS!!?!

  86. Profile photo of teph2112
    teph2112 Male 13-17
    650 posts
    February 23, 2009 at 2:51 am
    Yeuk... obviously some Americans don`t know what America stands for...
    Ignorance is quite dangerous
  87. Profile photo of SarahJ86
    SarahJ86 Female 18-29
    495 posts
    February 23, 2009 at 3:24 am
    "Yes, but have you ever attempted to view what they`re seeing? If they have been affected by 9/11, then they have every right to hate Muslims."

    I am lost for words. Maybe the most ignorant thing Ive read on I-A-B?

    Just to put a dampner on the white face argument. You can`t trust crime statistics. They only cover who has been arrested or charged. What about the people who have not been arrested? Or people who are too scared to report a crime.. That and white people account for 70+% of the population of America so you would maybe expect white people to account for more crimes purely in terms of having a greater representation.

    Im not trying to suggest anything, im not trying to suggest that black people do commit more crime.. im just pointing some things out.

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    je_scream Female 18-29
    763 posts
    February 23, 2009 at 4:08 am
    As much as I hate to say it the average criminal in America is white that`s basica knowledge, now I don`t know if they group white latinos (which is a stupid term to me) but it is what it is. Anywho,that old guy was a prick!
  89. Profile photo of TR-Wolf
    TR-Wolf Male 18-29
    1557 posts
    February 23, 2009 at 4:10 am
    I still find it bizzare when you can get individuals who can judge an entire people or entire religion or culture based on some extremes, and then project that onto another individual.

    Its like saying all white Americans are the KKK.

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    nullnill Male 18-29
    12 posts
    February 23, 2009 at 4:45 am
    I can`t believe how ignorant some people are.
    Great people those who stood for her. That is the right atitude.
  91. Profile photo of saintnick
    saintnick Male 13-17
    270 posts
    February 23, 2009 at 5:00 am
    this was part 4, did anyone see parts 1, 2 & 3?

    the muslim`s part was replaced by a clan member, nazi & bush.

    those folks were treated the same way.

    gotta love abc news life in a vaccum.

    all individuals should be treated fairly, even if your twisted brains are connected to those crossed eyes, following the automaton masses

    respect starts at the individual level, you should stand up & be to be respectful to all humans & learn what that truly means

  92. Profile photo of BoomStick
    BoomStick Male 30-39
    122 posts
    February 23, 2009 at 5:06 am
    "You can`t trust crime statistics."

    True.

    In fact trusting statistics at all is never a good idea.

    We have a family friend who works for a Canadian university. He`s a statistitian - and his job is to make everything look perfect, regardless of reality. Basically the big wigs bring him a pile of data and tell him what they want it to say. He makes the numbers dance so they seem to say what they`re after - and apparently it`s not that hard to do.

  93. Profile photo of SarahJ86
    SarahJ86 Female 18-29
    495 posts
    February 23, 2009 at 5:13 am
    "lies, damned lies and statistics"
  94. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    February 23, 2009 at 5:52 am
    You can make people draw false conclusions from what they`re reading. That`s not the same as the numbers lying.

    If you`re asking "Who are you most likely to be robbed by in the US?" it`s a white male.
    If you`re asking which demographic is most likely to commit a crime, it`s black males.
    If however you take social standing/income/education out of the equation, it becomes statistically insignificant which races commit more crimes.

    You can point to whichever stat you want to try to show your point, but unless there is a lie involved, it is always possible for the reader to discern the truth from the numbers.

  95. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    February 23, 2009 at 5:54 am
    P.S. My job used to be undoing what statisticians do. :P
  96. Profile photo of peterboner
    peterboner Male 18-29
    162 posts
    February 23, 2009 at 6:01 am
    "And I for one am relieved to see that the majority of people stood up for that woman. Looks like there`s still some hope for us yet..."

    Wrong. 6 defended the clerk`s actions. 13 stood up for the woman. 22 (the majority) said nothing.

  97. Profile photo of IamBored29
    IamBored29 Male 18-29
    648 posts
    February 23, 2009 at 6:48 am
    It has nothing to do with "Good" and "Bad" Americans...it has everything to do with "Good" and "Bad" human beings.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    February 23, 2009 at 7:04 am
    "People in Mass. were awesome, initiated conversations and would happily talk to me if I talked first. Not one askew glance."
    You didn`t have to drive in Boston much did you not that it has anything to do with racisim but that`s where we can be very unfriendly because of the god awful traffic everywhere!!
  99. Profile photo of helenium
    helenium Female 18-29
    40 posts
    February 23, 2009 at 8:50 am
    Wow. That`s quite scary that people actually agreed with him.

    I`m so glad to see people who are willing to stand up and speak against something like that. I have a friend who`s muslim and I think I would just go off if someone behaved that way.

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    jimbobsthebe Male 18-29
    639 posts
    February 23, 2009 at 9:06 am
    I can`t say how I would behave in that situation. I`ve always taken the approach of staying out of confrontation but if someone were blatantly being that discriminatory I`d probably have to say something.
  101. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
    2245 posts
    February 23, 2009 at 9:19 am
    obviously this situation was f*cked up, but consider the fact that islam is a religion and therefore a theological decision. this woman was being discriminated against because she was middle eastern, and that type of cultural discrimination is wrong, but based upon your own philosophy or theology you should consider how the theology of islam actually compares. the truth of the matter is that islam has become as much a part of middle eastern culture as christianity has become a part of western culture and therefore the personal aspects of peoples` faiths have become diluted, but understand a religion at its root and determine for yourself how their theology makes sense to you. there are significant distinctions between each separate religion or philosophy and everyone should consider which one makes sense to them. without a foundation of principles you will be led like cattle.
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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
    2245 posts
    February 23, 2009 at 9:19 am
    wow, that was even longer than i thought it was
  103. Profile photo of syke22
    syke22 Male 18-29
    1136 posts
    February 23, 2009 at 9:33 am
    Muslims are like the most hospitable people ever..I don`t get why people keep insulting them for their religion..it`s just ignorent and retarded.
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    heavenly15 Female 13-17
    965 posts
    February 23, 2009 at 9:38 am
    So they didn`t tell the bystanders that it was fake?
  105. Profile photo of snottydyck
    snottydyck Male 40-49
    695 posts
    February 23, 2009 at 9:54 am
    all muslims are not terrorists but all terrorist are muslim.
  106. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
    4548 posts
    February 23, 2009 at 10:16 am
    Snotty:
    IRA.

    Hey looky, you got owned in 3 letters, shortest debate ever. Also, up until 9/11 there were more South American terrorist incidents in the US than Arab/Muslim. Here`s some domestic terrorism to shove in any of your orifices you choose.

  107. Profile photo of tispayne
    tispayne Male 18-29
    105 posts
    February 23, 2009 at 10:16 am
    biggest...irony...ever...!! americans don`t like people who arent from america, yet neither are most americans! f*ckin idiots. native american indians. remember them!?
  108. Profile photo of TheSharpest
    TheSharpest Male 18-29
    1768 posts
    February 23, 2009 at 10:39 am
    Really, Snotty? Lemme support Baalthazaq`s point:
    ETA.

    There, owned in 3 letters. Again. And I`m sure we could keep naming more and more non-muslim extremist groups, but the point is clear: if you`re about to spill some more bullsh*t into the internet, consider having eBaum`s in your bookmarks and quickly reach for it in the same manner you would reach for a vomit bag.

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    ballaerina Female 18-29
    590 posts
    February 23, 2009 at 10:55 am
    Very interesting. I was really touched by the man who said his son just got back from fighting overseas and he still defended the young woman. I was sad to see that 6 people still sided with the actor behind the counter.
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    SarahJ86 Female 18-29
    495 posts
    February 23, 2009 at 11:12 am
    lol at IRA and ETA.. snottydyck got owned.

    LTTE makes 4 letters... Pretty well represented religion wise; with catholicism amongst its leaders.

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    unsub Female 18-29
    925 posts
    February 23, 2009 at 12:23 pm
    @Snotty:

    Timothy McVeigh

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    freddyferret Male 40-49
    11742 posts
    February 23, 2009 at 12:29 pm
    Sorry, but there are just a lot of stupid drating Americans out there. People like that make me ashamed to be a US citizen. People like that should be rounded up and dumped in the Iraqi desert. Let them see what it`s like on the other side of the coin. Dumb drating morons.
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    Terial Male 30-39
    23 posts
    February 23, 2009 at 1:03 pm
    here is what sucks, i would totally defend the girl, but the reality is, if that she was a terrorist, she would not give a flying hell, and would blow up the bakery. So even though i think she should have rights, if she were a terrorist, i would be dead. Ignorance is bliss
  114. Profile photo of Pijamas
    Pijamas Male 18-29
    59 posts
    February 23, 2009 at 1:20 pm
    I meant the majority of those who took action... Let`s not get too technical now.
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    airsofter1 Male 18-29
    1090 posts
    February 23, 2009 at 1:31 pm
    um yeah. just because u wer born here doesnt mean ur american. if u hate our country and want to harm it then u rnt american. not that she hates it or something. just sayin. also. u dont deserve anything. he doesnt like blacks, whites, muslims. he doesnt have to serv em. this is ridiculous.
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    Septemberex Female 13-17
    646 posts
    February 23, 2009 at 1:44 pm
    That is so sweet...
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
    2798 posts
    February 23, 2009 at 2:39 pm
    Some people just need to go over there and experience some of their culture and put themselves in their shoes for a bit in order to gain a better, more well-rounded perspective. Guarunteed most of these people`s negative opinions of Muslims would be turned more to the positive.

    Yes, it is sad about the reactive ignorance. I know I am going back over there, I am a non-muslim, but if I ever have a chance to be a positive influence on their culture I will. (I know it can be hard when my job can seem non constructive to that end) But, one thing I am doing is changing the minds of some of my fellow ignorant brothers in arms.

    Just the other day I educated a young Marine on why he was drated up for saying "all Muslims are teh enemy". That poo pissed me right the drat off.

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    JacobTrue13 Male 18-29
    260 posts
    February 23, 2009 at 3:23 pm
    Like the man said, both the `good` and `bad` Americans think they are the patriots, which kind of points out the inconsistencies that a lot of Americans believe, that being American is not a nationality, but an attitude.

    I mean, I`m not saying that the UK is not guilty of racism, but we don`t flaunt our nationality as if it is a belief system, at least to nowhere near the same extent.

    I hate Islam (I hate all religions), but I certainly don`t hate Muslims. As religious people often say, `Hate the sin, not the sinner`. I hate the theism, not the theist.

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    MoltingAngel Male 18-29
    10 posts
    February 23, 2009 at 3:31 pm
    on the kkk thing. most of the ppl in the kkk were not there cuz they were white, that was part of it but it wasn`t the only thing. they were W.A.S.P. which is white anglo saxon protestant. they weren`t just based on color, it was religion 2
  120. Profile photo of carolinads13
    carolinads13 Female 13-17
    151 posts
    February 23, 2009 at 8:43 pm
    That made me almost cry. It`s so awful that good, innocent people are discriminated and threatened and people approve of it, or don`t care at all. It doesn`t matter what your position on the war is -- discrimination is NEVER ok.
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    klgrl7681 Female 18-29
    70 posts
    February 23, 2009 at 10:04 pm
    I almost cried as well. It also pissed me off. The majority of the people stood up for the girl and I was especially impressed by the two young ladies that stayed and fought. It gives me hope for the future.
  122. Profile photo of Asspenny
    Asspenny Male 18-29
    1348 posts
    February 23, 2009 at 10:10 pm
    these can be pretty interesting.

    and woot we have the first muslim congressman here

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    anaesthes1a Female 18-29
    108 posts
    February 23, 2009 at 10:12 pm
    My best friend is Muslim and I`m European. I would be very disgusted if someone treated her that way.
  124. Profile photo of SarahJ86
    SarahJ86 Female 18-29
    495 posts
    February 24, 2009 at 11:27 am
    "I mean, I`m not saying that the UK is not guilty of racism, but we don`t flaunt our nationality as if it is a belief system, at least to nowhere near the same extent."

    You say that, but that makes me think of the divisions within the UK and the nationalim of England, Scotland, Wales and N, Ireland. Especially the middle two. The individual countries can be very guilty of this amongst each other - Flaunting their nationalism, and judging or hating the other countries (read England)

    England not so much because, really, we don`t have a sense of nationalism or Englishness!

    I know that kind of twists your point, but it just came to my mind.

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    LadyWeasel Female 30-39
    471 posts
    February 24, 2009 at 12:04 pm
    I`ve actually been to that bakery... They have the best cream horns.
  126. Profile photo of Pijamas
    Pijamas Male 18-29
    59 posts
    February 24, 2009 at 1:10 pm
    "um yeah. just because u wer born here doesnt mean ur american. if u hate our country and want to harm it then u rnt american. not that she hates it or something. just sayin. also. u dont deserve anything. he doesnt like blacks, whites, muslims. he doesnt have to serv em. this is ridiculous."

    Actually airsofter, being born in America does guarantee you American citizenship. You can hate your government as much as you want, but it doesn`t change your nationality.
    Also, your sentences would make a little more sense without a period. after. every. few. words.

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    viczko Male 13-17
    906 posts
    February 24, 2009 at 3:57 pm
    hahaha i`d stand up for that lady.
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    AlfishKK Female 18-29
    782 posts
    February 27, 2009 at 10:30 am
    Whoa, really? I see girls dressed that way (with the head covering, etc.) all the time at my college--do they really have to put up with that? That`s awful! I live in Southern California, though--hopefully not as close minded as Texas.

    I laughed when she said "camel jockey" though, that`s quite creative...

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    DinoAle Female 18-29
    107 posts
    March 6, 2009 at 4:06 pm
    Woah, those two men that agreed with the guy. Thats so ridiculous, people can be so ignorant.
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    gamerdude94 Male 13-17
    404 posts
    July 22, 2009 at 4:12 am
    This makes me extremely sad. I must admit, I probably wouldn`t say anything, since I kinda like to avoid violence of any kind. But, who knows? Stuff like this really pisses me off.

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