Wafa Sultan On Terrorism

Submitted by: LoofahBoy 8 years ago in

A very compelling commentary on the extremist terrorism by a former Muslim. She makes some good points.
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Male 1,399
Her words fall upon deaf ears, as Baalthazaq demonstrates.

No peace.

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Female 4
lol i dont get yht but a fuw gdgd coments (-)
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Male 4,547
Also Mcgovern:
First, the idea that it has to be black is wrong.

Second, 3 Groups wear black in the middle east:
Women.
Judges/Politicians/Clerics.
Grooms.
Obviously second class citizens.

I also like that so many Americans seem to think Arab clothing is sexist, when it`s one of only 3 cultures I know of where both men and women wear dresses.

4th My Islamic teacher wore white, my favorite Kandoora is black. It`s only bad if you`re not used to it. Right now people here in Dubai are wearing coats because it`s gone below 30C.

5th I know the IRA and KKK are different groups, but belong in the same category of non Islamic terrorist groups.

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Male 328
the woman RAPES.

props

who wants to get in an arguement with her?

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Male 1,623
"There are alternatives. A resource based economy."

You speak the truth, comrade.
Hammer and sickle.

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Male 1
Good comments?

Well she was kinda right until she started saying no jews has ever blown up anyone.

Before Israel was made a country jewish terrorists killed lot of innocent people But now they`re refered to as freedom fighters oddly.

Emanuel Rahm, Barack`s main man in DC, has a father who is a well known terrorist jew. So anyone telling me the jews are free of guilt better get their facts straight.

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Male 4,012
McGovern1981:

Read my post further down about women. The women are being treated as second class citizens not because of religion, but because of their culture. I live in Malaysia, where our central bank governor is a woman, among other things.

You fail at differenciating between religion and culture.

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Male 14,334
@Baalthazaq
It`s easy to support a religon that dosen`t make the sex you are a second class citizen. Try wrapping yourself in black clothing in the middle of the desert and see how you like it. aslo KKK and IRA are to extremly different groups.

@Groggle
Lay off the drugs a world based economy needs a standard of trade called currency resourced based trade is a step back.

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Male 4,594
I think I love her.
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Male 265
She was in LA when talking on this program, I wonder if she was in the Middle East, how many steps she would have been able to take outside the news building before she was killed.
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Male 4,547
I`m British. I`m Arab. I`m Muslim. I`m descendant of Christians. I`m in the Middle East. I grew up in the UK.

Yet for some reason, I`ve very little faith that you`ll consider my opinion as enlightening and awe inspiring as Mrs. Wafa.

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Male 4,547
Of course an "insider`s" viewpoint is appreciated.

However, I have no confidence whatsoever in your ability to appreciate an insider`s viewpoint when it doesn`t agree with yours.

For those interested at least: The entire script of the show.
and an opinion peace on her: from NCPA
You might want to read up on the source of this particular translation (read controversy section).

How about this, as a Brit, I suggest that racism against arabs, violence against arabs, and hatred towards arabs is far more severe and worthy of attention than any hatred/violence/racism of arabs towards the western world.

I`

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Female 15,763
She`s very wise... of course she`s experienced the worst part of that religion and therefore is biased, but an insider`s point of view is always appreciated.
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Female 254
Wow, the first part of this video almost makes me support the war.
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Male 690
Preach it sister!
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Male 4,547
TKPB:

Way to ignore the points raised and bowl out a catchphrase.

As I said, Israel was the single first terrorist attack in that region. They kill the most civilians. They pushed out 3.5 million Palestinians from their homes and refuse to allow them the right of return, meanwhile only 20% of Israelis are born there and they`re encouraging immigration.

If I break into your house and kick you out at gunpoint, it`s not fair to claim self defense to say "Well if I let em stay they might hurt me!"

That`s retarded. Apply Palestinian history to America, if America was treated the way the Palestinians were and are, the reaction would be far more violent than what we see in Palestine.

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Male 2,172
All this war is the end result of all monetary systems combined. Money was useful 2000 years ago to help build bridges between barbaric nations and civilised peoples but today it is nothing more then a tool to dehumanise everyone and create gaps between nations to allow the strong to oppress the weak in silence and secrecy.

There are alternatives. A ressource based economy.

Fight the real ennemy. Protect yourself from what you want.

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Male 2,172
For those of you who dont know that this is american capitalist propaganda to protect the true reason behind all the war on terror and what those in power to acquire everything of value from these lands... go die in a fire.

Not every muslims are terrorists, not all muslims think the way that woman wants to make you believe. It is a dictatorial system but one that was created by the people who invaded them ( The british ).

The Sword of Islam: War Against Israel and the West!

Why do you think they`re targetting the West? Because they hate them? Think for a moment how utterly retarded this line of thought really is. It is because the West helped invade them a long time ago and thise invasion was done in secret, why do you think the CIA helped Bin Laden in the first place?

Think.

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Male 292
"I think she is being quite racist. She is considering the Jewish population as a "people" and saying that they have suffered so much and deserve to take land from the Palestine. Probably very few of the Jews who live in Israel have actually experienced the cruelty of WW2. You can`t compensate for cruelty by rewarding descendants/kin (race, if you want to think of it that way)."

As much as I detest internet debates, I just want to say that you are retarded... Israel is simply defending itself which it has every right to do. Also, whether they have rights to the land or not is besides the point. The extremist muslims in Hamas are killing civilians in Israel indiscriminately, something which shouldn`t be tolerated by anyone no matter what nationality you are.

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Male 4,547
TKD: That wasn`t the bible. You fail at contradiction.
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Male 137
Dead woman talking!
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Male 777
Gah! Religious debate! Run away!
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Male 4,793
"Sunday, January 4, 2009 1:24:50 AM
[2:190] You may fight in the cause of GOD against those who attack you, but do not aggress. GOD does not love the aggressors."

doesnt the bible say `God loves all` yet there it says `god does nto love aggressors`? thats why its much, much easier to realize the bible contradicts itself in every page and just ignore all religion.

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Male 1,623
I think she is being quite racist. She is considering the Jewish population as a "people" and saying that they have suffered so much and deserve to take land from the Palestine. Probably very few of the Jews who live in Israel have actually experienced the cruelty of WW2. You can`t compensate for cruelty by rewarding descendants/kin (race, if you want to think of it that way).

I personally think the Israelis are oppressive and are trying to realize their vision of a pure Jewish Israel by forcing out the Palestine. They strongly resemble Nazi Germany during WW2, but with the military support of a massive superpower (USA) and compassion from the capitalist western world.

Both sides need to quit the racism and accept that they`re all a part of the human species.

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Male 1,232
Wow, people don`t know how to translate anymore. That translation was off.
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Male 4,547
Actually that can`t be what she was referring to, she had to be referring to the Hadith if anything, not the Quran.

That`s assuming it`s a quote, and not just made up.

If it`s a paraphrase it could be one of several, but all end up like the one you just mentioned Pabasa.

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Male 4,012
[2:190] You may fight in the cause of GOD against those who attack you, but do not aggress. GOD does not love the aggressors.

http://www.masjidtucson.org/quran/nofram...

Probably the verse she was referring to. Isn`t it nice how people just copy paste specific parts of whatever article that supports them, and ignores the rest, that doesn`t?

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Male 4,547
For all you saying how right she is just about everything in general:

How much of that is because she agrees with you?
How much of that is because she has facts on her side?

For example, give me something she said that was a piece of information and not an opinion.

I`ll help you out:
One (mis)quote. (Prophet says to kill people)
Two truths. (Jews successful 19th-20th century)(3 Bhudda statues torn down)

Lies:
Jews don`t kill:
First car bomb in Israel was the Israeli terrorist group Lehi killing British and Palestinians to end peace talks.
Also, the assassination of Yitzak Rabin was Jewish.
Israel has killed 1050 Palestinian Children, Terrorists have killed 123 Jewish children since 2000.

There is some utter bullpoo in her "truth" some of you seem so impressed by.

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Male 4,547
Did anyone else notice this was on Al-Jazeera?

Can I just posit a simple request that everyone who has ever told me that Al-Jazeera is just a brainwashing channel for terrorist to suck on my left nut? Thanks.

On to more serious matters, this is the reason you don`t get more people like her on TV, because they`ll translate her and not the response. They`ll translate 20 minutes of Muslim clips criticizing the west and put them on youtube, ignoring the (roughly) 31.5 million minutes of religious television the middle east has had in the last 15 years. It`s just sad that so many people have yet to even entertain a viewpoint of the middle east that isn`t their own.

On a more serious note, I agree with Pabasa to an extent, but it`s not even "Arabs".
Dubai, Kuwait, Bahrain, Oman, Qatar, are not Saudi Arabia.
Afghanistan is not Arab.
The KKK/IRA are not Muslim.

It`s extremists.

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Male 4,004
More about the cab ride. I was talking with friends over something that was said on the radio, and he spoke up saying he was Muslim and I should be careful to what I say and then I explained myself. I raised the point in the mentality difference, and the barbaric-like ways they employ to get others to follow along. I also pointed out that they are the religion that practises the largest amount of prayer and faith, and that causes a lot of them to be extremely nice people, but also causes others to take their beliefs too seriously, to a dangerous level, dangerous even for themselves (BOOM!).
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Male 4,004
Oh me, oh my, oh me, oh my.

sorry, I got excited and temporarily lost my composure. I agree with what she is saying and for some reason, the dude with the funny hat sounded like an ignorant southern baptist preaching to someone who is of a different faith.

This woman has balls, and brains, and is in a position to actually be allowed to pass judgement on their cdulture and religion without seeming racist (apparently it`s racist for me to say things like that in public, mall cops are stupid)

I had a drunken discussion with a Pakistani cab driver about these issues once, and he agreed with a lot of the points I was raising, and asked why I knew so much of their faith.

To me, as an Atheist, I have to have a valid argument as to why no religion is suitable for me, and there is no better way to prove this than using knowledge. And honestly, Muslim was the stupidest religion outside of Mormonism and Scientology.

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Male 1,815
Why is it that it always looks like it takes great effort to speak those middle-eastern languages?
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Male 506
"she was assassinated."

No, she`s not assassinated yet.

The sad thing about this is that she will probably be kidnapped by Muslim extremists, and then executed on video to make an example...

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Female 1,063
I have total and undying respect for this woman for having the balls to step up that guy and tell it like it is. She put it all into perspective! Go Lady!!
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Male 69
"Brother, you can believe in stones, as long as you don`t throw them at me."
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Male 1,365
This clip made my weekend, nothing is cooler than watching a brilliant mind at work.
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Male 28
A well informed and articulate woman. The guy who called her a heretic got completely owned.
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Male 1,686
she was assassinated.
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Female 1,008
That dude didn`t even have a response by the end of it. Way to go ballsie lady!
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Female 1,545
Big props to the lady with balls of steel. She is courageous beyond words.

I want to meet her and shake her hand vigorously.

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Male 906
"Brother, you can believe in stones, as long as you don`t throw them at me"

Hmmmm thats profound and yet simple. Like Macaroni. And i love macaroni.

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Male 906
"It is a clash between civilization and backwardness"
"What we see today is not a clash of civilization"
=s
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Male 108
I`m pretty sure she just kicked everybody`s ass. Even if you agree with her, you just got your ass kicked. I just got my ass kicked. I`m totally okay with that.
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Male 889
Pabasa:

Agreed.. I laugh at anyone who bashes Islam by saying women can`t get anywhere. If they bothered to read history they`d see that the prophet Muhammad married a very successful business woman.

...on oppression my view is that there is physically and psychological oppression..There women are forced to wear a scarf to cover their hair..Here women aren`t forced to, but expected to wear make up, pluck their eyebrows, and be skinny..If you don`t you`re not respected.

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Male 4,012
I`d just like to harp on the point about gender inequality which she brought up.

I have to admit, yes, in Islam there are certain points (such as matters of witnesses, and inheritance) where there are blatant inequality between genders.

Nevertheless, apart from these matters, there are no other actions that prevent women from having equal opportunities from men. Women over here are free to work and even free to lead. The thing I am proud most is that the women over here can do so many things, be a boss, be a top scientist, etc. and still be a good Muslim (modest appearance, supporting the family), unlike in the Middle East, where the women are simply expected to stay at home and be a good housewife.

It is unfortunate that she grew up in this kind of society, and sad that she blamed Islam instead of the culture.

In short, where it matters, in Islam there are no differences between men and women.

Heck, men have dicks and women have vajayjays. That`s gotta count for something

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Male 4,012
It`s less about the muslims, but more on the Arabs. It is the Arabs that are opressing women (and to a lesser extent, south Asians as well). It is the arabs that harbor such strong hatred for the West (with justification for it, mind). It is Arabs that are the ones that like to fight.

How can she say that Islam forces us to convert everyone non-Muslim (or kill), when one of the most basic surah (verse) of the Quran, Al-Kafirun clearly tells us to tell non-Muslims that "to you your religion and to me mine"? - edit: upon watching the video further she even stated this point.

The only thing I truly agree with her that religion is a purely personal matter. Your actions on earth, good or bad, is all between you and God. So long as you do not insult the beliefs of others.

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Male 3,014
I`d also like to add that my previous statement works no matter which religion you use. Look:

A good Christian is one who examines the state of reality today, and finds ways to garner respect from those with other beliefs through non-violent means.

A good Jew is one who examines the state of reality today, and finds ways to garner respect from those with other beliefs through non-violent means.

A good Buddhist is one who examines the state of reality today, and finds ways to garner respect from those with other beliefs through non-violent means.

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Male 101
amazing woman right there
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Male 2,422
I recomend to anyone interested in what makes a fanatic and the power of mass movement Erich Hoffer`s "The True Beliver".
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Male 431
Otherwise, this woman is spot on in what she says.
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Male 431
"for exemple the "kkk" blow stuff and kill black people, but That doesn`t mean that you americans are terrorists...same thing for the muslims.... I hope you guys understand what I say."

The arian nation is derived from Nazi German beliefs. Its all over the world not just in America. America is mix of every belief you can think of under a free democracy. Dont generalize the KKK beliefs to all Americans as an example. I do understand what you are saying but reread what you write before you post it.

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Male 2,796
I once made the mistake of labeling all Muslims as bad, which they are not. Although I am sure she is speaking solely of extremists.

This is a brave, brave woman who speaks the only truth there is. Although she is no doubt marked for death now, as a United States Marine I value this wisdom and would choose freely to defend her with my life. It is about time someone like this came forward to officially and openly challenge entire nations and an entire religion with wisdom and logic.

If her thinking were to be embraced, it has the potential to bring unseen peace on a wider scale than ever seen. I would love to see the day when I am out of a job because of this person and her thinking.

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Male 4
You guys must understand that not every muslim is a terrorist or a bad humain, there are good people and bad ones... for exemple the "kkk" blow stuff and kill black people, but That doesn`t mean that you americans are terrorists...same thing for the muslims.... I hope you guys understand what I say.
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Male 231
she says its not a clash of religions and then goes basing muslims because of the religious beliefs vs. "the west" which is predominantly christian. how is that not a clash of religions.
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Male 3,014
"a good muslim is a dead muslim"

Now that entirely misses the point of the video. A good Muslim is one who examines the state of reality today, and finds ways to garner respect from those with other beliefs through non-violent means.

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Male 4,680
Yup, because all Muslims want to end civilization don`t they >_>
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Female 1,299
As a muslim, I thought that she made alot of good points, but I hated that she seemed to lump all muslims together as bad.
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Male 541
This woman deserves a medal or something.

Although she did seem to categorize all Muslims into the category of terrorists, that may be what the newscasters were getting so upset about.

Her message about respecting everyone`s beliefs I totally agree with, though, and its a message for the entire world, not just Muslim extremists. People like those at Westboro Baptist Church and extreme anti-religious groups need to hear this as well.

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Male 695
a good muslim is a dead muslim
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Female 42
She is a very intelligent woman. I hope to see more of her.

Oh, and the "heritic" thing said by the man on the right...it just made me so mad. Having asn open mind doesn`t make you any less worth listening to.
If only more people in their culture,(and ours), understood that...

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Female 1,134
for a min i though it said waffles :-|
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Male 82
fake! she`s a robot
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Male 327
....

That was beautiful.

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Male 167
i agree with her 100%.

did you see the guys face at the end? he was speechless. lol

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Male 353
*Applauds*

Fundmentist Muslims make Fundmentalist Christians seem tolerant.

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Male 614
*applauds*
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Male 1,835
this needed a `why can`t we be friends` song fade out for the ending...
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Male 9,306
Wow...amazing speech. I loved her quote:

"You can believe in stones, as long as you do not throw them at me."

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Male 3,301
vvv And I stole Sox`s beer afterwards.
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Male 7,378
lol @ keepay
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Male 1,086
Those are good points; however, they will be ignored by the majority of people who do not agree.
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Female 455
Wow, she`s pretty damn brave talking like that to people who consider her a `heretic`.
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Male 493
...And then she was promptly executed for exposing her neck on television.
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Male 13
Good for her. I completely agree with most of the points she made.
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Male 1,825
that is so true
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Female 2,044
vvv i helped morn bury her
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Male 742
Sox,you need to seriously review your life
oh wait,you`re a troll!
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Male 557
vvv i shot that user
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Female 497
muslims are weird i saw one IN AMERICA WTF seriously whats the deal theyre so ugly so they need a curtain over their face, dye your hair blonde, get blue eye contacts NO-ONE WILL KNOW YOUR A TERRIOST ONLY A NAZI BY HITTLERR
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Male 2,388
Shes sitting in front of a blue screen with two reels on the side of her scrolling the the piece of paper on the bottom along. And why is she on echo its ridiculous. Also segregation has allways een a cause for violence.
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Male 3,301
Link: Wafa Sultan On Terrorism [Rate Link] - A very compelling commentary on the extremist terrorism by a former Muslim. She makes some good points.
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