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Date: 01/31/09 06:38 PM

110 Responses to The Big Brother State

  1. Profile photo of Miss__Murder
    Miss__Murder Female 18-29
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    January 31, 2009 at 5:37 pm
    Link: The Big Brother State - Politicians claim to be protective of our freedom but this short clip is going to make you realize you`re not so free.
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    Naname Male 13-17
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    January 31, 2009 at 6:44 pm
    This is retarded. Who the f*ck believes this sh*t, anyway?
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    dystopia04 Female 18-29
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    January 31, 2009 at 6:46 pm
    im sorry i couldn`t finish watching it it was too boring
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    Quackor Male 18-29
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    January 31, 2009 at 6:50 pm
    All that actually sounds pretty good, keep up the good work big brother!
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    TrixieBlue Female 40-49
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    January 31, 2009 at 7:03 pm
    I think the visuals were a sorry attempt at trying to make this look even remotely interesting :-/
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    January 31, 2009 at 7:04 pm
    Interesting video.

    The usual tagline is that if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear. Of course, should you apply the same mentality to our virtuous, honest, up-front politicians, you will be met with either a palm over your camera or an arrest.

    Hypocrisy, much?

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    TheSharpest Male 18-29
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    January 31, 2009 at 7:07 pm
    Oh no, the Government is gonna get a picture of me! And my fingerprints! Why, they are blatantly taking more and more control over us! And they say we live in a democracy!
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    January 31, 2009 at 7:11 pm
    "Oh no, the Government is gonna get a picture of me! And my fingerprints! Why, they are blatantly taking more and more control over us! And they say we live in a democracy!"

    What about private companies being able to determine what you can or cannot see? Or the restriction of liberties that come along with increased security?

    Have you been to an airport recently?

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    davymid Male 30-39
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    January 31, 2009 at 7:18 pm
    catbarf, if I were a homosexual who was easily swooned by a scalpel wit and a strong left-wing bent, I would be in love with you right now. I am neither of those, yet I love you anyway. Not to mention all of the scientific/religious debates in which you have been conspicuous by your absence.

    Come back home, catbarf. I-A-B needs you. Come home.

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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    January 31, 2009 at 7:19 pm
    The point is not that trying to prevent crime is a bad thing. The point is that governments are made of fallible human beings- and will not and can not be perfectly just. Putting all your trust (not to mention power) in the hands of the government is not going to end well. The citizen is responsible for and entitled to his own life, and being made subservient to the state for the greater good is an antithetical opposition to the twin ideas of freedom and democracy.
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    January 31, 2009 at 7:21 pm
    Wait. People actually know me? This is interesting.
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    JimboH Male 30-39
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    January 31, 2009 at 7:23 pm
    Did the creator of this video really think he said something insightful or profound? It`s like somebody went to my local barbershop and turned everything they said into an "enlightening" diatribe about the dangers of Big Brother.
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    mikeyberman Male 18-29
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    January 31, 2009 at 7:24 pm
    I found this interesting, but stupid. Quite frankly, I don`t give a poo which governments have my fingerprints. I`m sure I could get almost anyone`s fingerprints if I followed them around enough for long enough, and I think this would pose as a much greater hazard to security than anything the government is doing (e.g. I might just be able to get through a few biometric locks).

    And it`s ironic how after "implying" that the government will somehow access all my private pictures, they then go on to say that governments are using fear to justify what they say... Of course governments like to play with citizen`s fear, but this video does it too.

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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    January 31, 2009 at 7:27 pm
    "Did the creator of this video really think he said something insightful or profound?"

    Not really. He did, however, hint at the possibility of private companies or the government controlling or at least restricting what the people can see. Censorship`s a pretty big deal for a lot of people.

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    TheSharpest Male 18-29
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    January 31, 2009 at 7:31 pm
    Of course, who doesn`t like his privacy? But security is of greater importance, and the information "the State" is retrieving from you is incredibly superfluous and almost (if not completely) public.
    This "Big Brother"-conspiracy theorists try to make it a helluva bigger deal than it is. No one is trying to make his way into a dictator. You know how you crown yourself as such? You modify the Constitution to make it legal for a man to run for President as many times as we wants. And with that obscure reference I`m sure no one will understand, I`ll leave you.
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    deathxtra Male 13-17
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    January 31, 2009 at 7:37 pm
    Down with big brother.
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    LoofahBoy Male 18-29
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    January 31, 2009 at 7:38 pm
    Must be a European thing. Cameras on every corner?
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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
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    January 31, 2009 at 7:41 pm
    That last quote is from Benjamin Franklin is anyone was wondering.
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    LoofahBoy Male 18-29
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    January 31, 2009 at 7:46 pm
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    January 31, 2009 at 7:50 pm
    catbarf, do we know you? Man. Overmann Medals? We made that sh*t up.
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    thubanstar Female 50-59
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    January 31, 2009 at 7:54 pm
    Yeahhhh, and there used to be an intrusive, judgemental monitoring system in America called "living in a small town" which most people did....

    The age of being anonymous was brief, but happy. From about, oh, 1964 to the late 1980`s... Otherwise, people historically have been under intense scrutiny from their neighbors, the church, etc.

    My reaction? So what. They want to know about me, I`ll just moon `em via computer.

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    AnwarNova Male 18-29
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    January 31, 2009 at 8:00 pm
    "This "Big Brother"-conspiracy theorists try to make it a helluva bigger deal than it is. No one is trying to make his way into a dictator."

    If you read books that have entertained the idea of a big brother society, or read/watched stories that have scrutinized and analyzed the idea. If you`ve read your history and know your politics, then you would know that it`s people exactly like you who turn over their power to those in authority, who then turn around and take away enormous amounts of freedom in the name of the "greater good". It`s not one person trying to become dictator, its the citizens, the people in a democratic society who hand in their freedom for security. I, personally, would much prefer less security for my independence and freedom. Its much less dangerous than the alternative.

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    vitaliy Male 18-29
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    January 31, 2009 at 8:09 pm
    Anybody else notice the kinky stuff that people were doing over the phonelines?
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 31, 2009 at 8:10 pm
    It`s sad that no one finds this a threat. Wait until your next employer finds out about something you did in high-school, or something else that doesn`t affect your work performance but allows them to SCREEN you.

    There are more pitfalls to it than there are benefits.

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    VikingGuy Male 18-29
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    January 31, 2009 at 8:14 pm
    only something i knew long ago and could say alot about just for it to likely be ignored.
    next.
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    warmst Male 30-39
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    January 31, 2009 at 8:17 pm
    Has anyone here, who is concerned about this stupid poo, actually ever been oppressed? Have you ever NOT been able to do whatever you want, within the law of course, say whatever you want, read whatever you want, listen to whatever kind of music you want?
    The idea that any government can intrude into peoples lives and prevent them from doing anything is laughable. Just look at China, Iran, and most other dictatorial countries. The people always have ways of getting the information that they need or want.
    It`s like Princess Leia said "The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers." Especially in the world of the internet and satellites.
    My major worry is a liberal trying to ban my guns, or trying to take them from me, but that is not a huge worry and it wont happen in the USA till our government falls (long time from now, and sombody else will be shooting my guns)
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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 31, 2009 at 8:21 pm
    The person below me is retarded.

    I can`t make any sense of what you just said. I mean, I can try, but it sounds like you`re justifying oppression, and the abolishment of personal liberty because people can now become CRIMINALS and continue expressing their liberties.

    That`s all good, but you forgot that they execute criminals. Do you really want to live in a world where to say what`s on your mind might mean death, or imprisonment?

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    dilldog123 Male 18-29
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    January 31, 2009 at 8:22 pm
    Did--did I--did I just see her--WAS THAT CHICK PEEING IN HIS MOUTH?
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    warmst Male 30-39
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    January 31, 2009 at 8:32 pm
    Cliff`s notes for Sprinkx

    Nobody here has been oppressed by their government (outside of public schools)
    You cannot keep the truth from people, they will always find a way to get it.

    And yes dildog she was peeing in his mouth

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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    January 31, 2009 at 8:41 pm
    Controversial as it might be, I tend to think of freedom in 2 ways.

    In one extreme, you have the ability to do as you please. Ultimate freedom. Ultimate anarchy. Rape/Murder/Steal/Pillage etc.

    What you end up with is a world where you don`t have actual freedom. Can you go outside? Cinemas? Shopping? Your movements are more restricted in an Anarchy than in the actual Big Brother society in the book 1984.

    You need a balance of controls and freedoms that maximize your total freedom, and your ability to live your life free from both government and criminal elements.

    This is not all or nothing.

    (With regard to guns, you cannot fight a government with the guns they allow you to have. You need tanks quite frankly. You have no chance in hell of rising up against the US military with the peashooters you`re allowed to have).

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    SoapeyLOV Female 13-17
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    January 31, 2009 at 8:41 pm
    hell yeah; keep us out of it. no face recognition for me!!
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    aero Male 18-29
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    January 31, 2009 at 8:41 pm
    "Politicians claim to be protective of our freedom but this short clip is going to make you realize you`re not so free."

    It didn`t. Oh well. I guess I`ll just have to deal with feeling free the rest of my life instead of having to feel like I`m oppressed all the time and take down the government through some violent revolution.
    @ SPrinkZ, I think what warmst was saying was that we can still, say, go for a walk in the park on a nice summer day, choose to eat at a restaurant because, well, just because. He`s not justifying oppression, he`s saying that it does not exist to the extent that this video portrays, and if it does, who cares? You would have been none the wiser without watching this video, ignorance is bliss, and would have lived your life as you like, without the government stopping you. And they don`t execute all criminals, just murderers, and I don`t think that`s going to change anytime soon. People won`t allow it. But right now it really just isn`t a pro

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    trashcan7 Male 13-17
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    January 31, 2009 at 8:51 pm
    Interesting... Mostly stuff I`ve heard before, but still, it`s interesting. That`s why they`re trying to make computer programs to do all the surveillance and stuff to minimize the infringing on privacy. But computer programs can never be perfect.
    Reminds me of the book 1984.

    Also, I found the part with surveillance on the phone/email thing pretty amusing.

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    Johnsoir1 Male 18-29
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    January 31, 2009 at 8:58 pm
    I seen no problem with the government having my skin color, fingerprints or having any other knowledge of me. If I`m not doing anything wrong, then I really shouldn`t care if they can see me and what I`m doing.
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    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    January 31, 2009 at 9:00 pm
    Just remember the cycle.

    Revolutionist groups against the oppressive government start idealistic, gain power, take over the state, become the leaders, and turn into the oppressive government.

    And there is ALWAYS something wrong with "the system".

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    Tisjokar Male 18-29
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    January 31, 2009 at 9:37 pm
    Meh i don`t really care what the goverment thinks, aslong as im doing nothing wrong and there making sure no one else is.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    January 31, 2009 at 9:38 pm
    As so many liberals do, this guy deliberately misquotes Benjamin Franklin in a lame attempt to try to make his case. What Franklin really said was, "Those who would give up ESSENTIAL Liberty to purchase A LITTLE TEMPORARY Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
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    teph2112 Male 13-17
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    January 31, 2009 at 9:40 pm
    Surveillance + Corruption = Problems

    It would be all good if the authority was really that angelic

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    Zerro Male 18-29
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    January 31, 2009 at 9:44 pm
    Why do people care if the government knows the basics about them or what they do?
    What do you have to hide?

    Get over it.

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    mrwnt Male 18-29
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    January 31, 2009 at 10:00 pm
    I`m always amazed at people, kept safe by the US government and the CIA, who complain about wiretaps that are approved individually by a court, must have good reason, and are only done on calls to suspected terrorists outside the US.

    Let`s not tie our government`s hands as it tries to prevent another 9/11.

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    January 31, 2009 at 10:24 pm
    OldOllie: As so many liberals do, this guy deliberately misquotes Benjamin Franklin in a lame attempt to try to make his case. What Franklin really said was, "Those who would give up ESSENTIAL Liberty to purchase A LITTLE TEMPORARY Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

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    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
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    January 31, 2009 at 10:24 pm
    This is the disgusting future we`ve willingly submitted ourselves to.
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    Victory7 Male 18-29
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    January 31, 2009 at 10:43 pm
    @ Zerro"

    I`ve got nothing to hide, but that doesn`t mean I want complete strangers searching me anyway. This whole system of security implies that every citizen is a possible criminal or terrorist, and that idea will destroy Western civilization in a few decades.

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    fillemorte Female 18-29
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    January 31, 2009 at 11:06 pm
    This is nothing new to me.

    We have no freedom.
    PATHETIC.
    OVERIT.

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    fillemorte Female 18-29
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    January 31, 2009 at 11:10 pm
    sixclaws, your so right.

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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    January 31, 2009 at 11:19 pm
    I`m not for the idea of a police state (unless I`m the one running it, but that`s not the point), BUT...

    If you don`t let yourself have anything to hide, then you don`t need to worry.

    Besides, it`s not like the government has either the time or the money to moniter each and every single one of the millions of people in this country divided over so much space and using so many phone and internet lines as we do.

    If you don`t want to be treated like a criminal, then just jump through a few hoops and DON`T BE A DAMN CRIMINAL.

    That`s the biggest reason surveilance, etc., is going up. Because there ARE so many freaks and criminals in this world. It`s just a MASSIVE case of "the few ruin it for the many."

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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    January 31, 2009 at 11:25 pm
    And, fillemorte...

    You have a HELL of a lot more freedom than some people in this world, and do you know why that is?

    Because there are people protecting that freedom.

    Without those people, you know where you could be right now? As someone`s slave in a basement, or a whorehouse somewhere. Chained to a wall, just waiting to see what slop your master feeds you next.

    So just shut the hell up and get over your bitchy little problems.

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    SPrinkZ Male 18-29
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    January 31, 2009 at 11:33 pm
    "I`m not for the idea of a police state (unless I`m the one running it, but that`s not the point), BUT...

    If you don`t let yourself have anything to hide, then you don`t need to worry.

    Besides, it`s not like the government has either the time or the money to moniter each and every single one of the millions of people in this country divided over so much space and using so many phone and internet lines as we do."

    So, you have nothing to hide? Your sex life, when you take a poo, masturbate, have uncomfortable moments, traumatic experiences? etc. That is all just an open book to the world now?

    Please, shut the f*ck up. You have no idea what you are talking about.

    Plus, the government doesn`t need people to monitor everyone. They just need a COMPUTER. Picking up keywords and thus they can filter out conversations. Of course this can be used incorrectly and done to blackmail, sabotage, or otherwise undermine a person.

    It`s just wrong.

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    DHise Male 13-17
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    January 31, 2009 at 11:34 pm
    And this is why I call for anarchy.
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    Loxen Female 30-39
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    February 1, 2009 at 12:02 am
    Hey now, if I want to create a laboratory in my basement and play god by creating a race of super strong humanoid Turtles... and maybe a rat... then thats my business. Hmmph.
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    Ajikan Male 18-29
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    February 1, 2009 at 12:15 am
    As long as I live comfortably and can sneak away for a *smoke*, I`m ok with it.
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    AnwarNova Male 18-29
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    February 1, 2009 at 1:24 am
    I like SPrinkZ...agree 100%
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    Call Male 13-17
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    February 1, 2009 at 1:59 am
    i dont get it
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    keatonatron Male 18-29
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    February 1, 2009 at 3:43 am
    I don`t care if the police can follow me around with cameras--I have nothing to hide. And as long as I don`t know any of the people listening to my phone calls, I won`t be embarrassed. I`m just another voice to them, as they would be to me.
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    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
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    February 1, 2009 at 5:16 am
    "Revolutionist groups against the oppressive government start idealistic, gain power, take over the state, become the leaders, and turn into the oppressive government."
    This.

    It`s happened with the US, it`s happened with England, it`s happened with France... most of the west I suppose.

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    twist22402 Male 18-29
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    February 1, 2009 at 5:49 am
    Interesting video, blatant 1984 reference at 2:07. The name of the man being scanned is Winston Smith, 1984`s protagonist.
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    twist22402 Male 18-29
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    February 1, 2009 at 5:51 am
    Also, the man scanned right after Winston Smith is George Llewro. Orwell spelled backwards.
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    SarahJ86 Female 18-29
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    February 1, 2009 at 6:27 am
    Oh im just so sick of these hysteria breeding `big brother state` theories.
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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 1, 2009 at 7:31 am
    "My major worry is a liberal trying to ban my guns, or trying to take them from me, but that is not a huge worry and it wont happen in the USA till our government falls (long time from now, and sombody else will be shooting my guns)"

    And you have no doubt whatsoever that a hypothetical Big Brother state will allow you to be armed and therefore a potential threat?

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    catbarf Male 18-29
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    February 1, 2009 at 7:38 am
    "If you don`t let yourself have anything to hide, then you don`t need to worry."

    On the contrary, what you have to hide is your private life. Where you go, what you do. And of course, it`s not like this sort of security would be unintrusive. Freedoms would need to be sacrificed. Imagine airport security, applied to an entire country.

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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    February 1, 2009 at 8:08 am
    "So, you have nothing to hide? Your sex life, when you take a poo, masturbate, have uncomfortable moments, traumatic experiences? etc. That is all just an open book to the world now?"

    Please, shut the f*ck up and observe keaton`s theory on the matter.

    "And as long as I don`t know any of the people listening to my phone calls, I won`t be embarrassed. I`m just another voice to them, as they would be to me."

    Now, consider. You accidentally overhear a conversation on a train, between two men talking about masturbating with a toothbrush shoved down their urethras. Guess what? Their secrets out.

    We`re unconstant surveillance from EVERYWHERE, and not always from the f*cking GOVERNMENT, dumbass.

    If you have a secret, there are just as many perverts and freaks the could find it, and WOULD use it for blackmail, as there are government agents who would hear it and forget it amongst the sea of other things they heard that sound pretty much the f*cking same.

  62. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
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    February 1, 2009 at 8:12 am
    Ending my last post, who would YOU rather overhear your secret?

    And the GOVERNMENT, when THEY`RE doing the surveillance, will also try to ARREST the freak who would blackmail you.

    "Please, shut the f*ck up. You have no idea what you are talking about."

    Just like your average moronic paranoid idiot. Constantly telling people "you don`t know what your talking about," and all that poo.

    I`ve helped set up three home security systems, tapped multiple phones for my own enjoyment, and have been on an FBI f*cking watchlist. I know a thing or two about what happens when the government, or private companies, etc., put you under surveillance.

  63. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
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    February 1, 2009 at 8:20 am
    I love ti when *ssholes like you are constantly screaming "police state!" when YOU are the suspect, but then when someone does something to you, you would rely on the police to catch the criminal, would you not?

    The problem with this world is, EVERYONE IS A F*CKING CRIMINAL, because noone actually knows who the real criminals ARE.

    So many normal people can go berserk, and kill plenty of people. It`s happened in the past, with school shootings, postal shootings, terrorist attacks.

    When you don`t know who to suspect, you have to suspect EVERYONE. It`s a basic tactic. And it f*cking works.

    It doesn`t make the people very happy, because they think it`s an "invasion of privacy," but the fact is that you have no clue who`s the next Charles Manson until his plan`s already in motion. But if you can detect him early, then you can save innocent lives and keep the bad guys off the streets.

  64. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
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    February 1, 2009 at 8:26 am
    In a lot of ways, this is like the complaints over the government setting up cameras at intersections to catch people who run red lights, or are speeding, etc.

    People bitch because it`s an "invasion of privacy," because "the government can know where you`re going, and what you`re doing."

    Here`s the thing, the government DOESN`T F*CKING CARE. And if they do, they`re not exactly the best institution that the people, namely YOU, have elected, then are they.

    What they do care about is that someone out there flies past at 90 in a 45 mp/h zone. That person then has his liscence plate checked and a ticket sent to his home. He probably won`t speed again.

    On the other hand, no cameras catch him, and one day he spins out of control and kills a small child. Now people are complaining because there wasn`t an officer around to stop him.

    You can`t make everyone happy all the time. The best you can do is make them SAFE, whether they like it or not.

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    Altaru Male 18-29
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    February 1, 2009 at 8:29 am
    And it`s not like you have to sacrifice your entire being, your whole life, or ALL your little secrets.

    You just have to learn to be more sneaky.

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    Hellknight10 Male 18-29
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    February 1, 2009 at 9:22 am
    you know Altaru
    i came here cause i was bored
    and reading your rants make me feel like i`m at school
    which is boring
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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    February 1, 2009 at 9:57 am
    of course we should be under constant surveillance. our fellow citizens are things to be feared, only the figures of authority should be trusted, because like machiavelli said, "all power makes you a super nice guy and absolute power makes you a super nice guy absolutely".

    oh, and by the way, our freedoms (in america) that a lot of you people are talking about, are being preserved by the brilliant document that is our constitution, not by any actions of our current government.

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    SPARTAKITTY Female 18-29
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    February 1, 2009 at 10:00 am
    Altaru just had a hissy fit.
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    heyitsaly Female 18-29
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    February 1, 2009 at 11:03 am
    If you have nothing to hide, it shouldn`t be a problem. If you have something to hide, it is a damn good thing you are under surveillance so those of us who are obeying the law have a better chance of survival. Maybe if the world wasn`t as messed up as it is, I would object to the cameras and phone tapping. But, with all of the people out there who want you dead - i`m glad there is someone out there trying to protect us.
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    Abacab2112 Male 18-29
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    February 1, 2009 at 11:16 am
    heyitsaly
    <snip post for space>
    --------------------
    I`m sure fascism would just gobble you up. Welcome to the Inner Party.

    Really, this "nothing to hide" mantra is a very slippery slope. If you examine history -especially of the United States- once the government attains power, it never voluntarily decreases its own power. It always expands. Once the government has the power to watch people, it opens a door for them to monitor their political beliefs, religious beliefs, and other non-victimizing habits and subsequently discriminate by them (as in if you oppose anything the government does, you could be thrown in jail or killed... just to be safe). Obviously, the government doesn`t go for bad intentions right away. Remember, if you place a frog in boiling water, it will jump out immediately, However, if you place a frog in tepid water and slowly turn up the heat, the frog will boil to death. We are the frogs, and the government is turning up the heat.

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    Mjustin Male 18-29
    335 posts
    February 1, 2009 at 11:53 am
    Altaru, maybe you`re comfortable with giving up all of your freedom for just a tiny bit of safety, but some of us actually like to be able to take a sh*t without being watched.

    What you don`t realize is the government does care. They care about every little thing you do because they want to make sure you`re an obedient citizen. Authoritarian governments are afraid of dissent. They want to know every word you say and every action you take so they can make sure that you`re not a potential threat to their power.

    Think of it this way: A government is like a horny teenage boy on prom night; he`ll go as far as she lets him. As soon as you let the government invade your private life, pretty soon you get pulled out of your house by a man in a suit and shot for suspicion of dissent. We`re already making the transition here in the US; we`ve just got a bit of catching up to do before we`re at the UK`s level.

  72. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    February 1, 2009 at 12:40 pm
    "of course we should be under constant surveillance. our fellow citizens are things to be feared"

    Of course.

    The people are, after all, the drug dealers, the mass murderers, the rapists, the psychopaths, the smugglers, the illegals coming in and taking our jobs.

    The people are disgusting, and the only reason any of this surveillance is necessary is in an attempt to clean things up and protect the innocents.

    You know, the innocents. The rape-victims, the three our four people that have most likely been stabbed to death since I started typing this, the people who`ve been killed in accidents related to driving, or simply BEING, intoxicated from some drug or alcohol.

    non-nice individuals like you are ALWAYS against it, until something happens to you that could have EASILY been prevented.

  73. Profile photo of manicwhite
    manicwhite Male 18-29
    169 posts
    February 1, 2009 at 12:52 pm
    i dont think the goverment uses terror to justifie the big brother world. i dont think they paticularly want to know what your up to or to jepodise your fredom. i do think that they beleive it is nesceseary to have these in place to maintain national security and to increase welbing.i dont know if there right though or if its worth it
  74. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    February 1, 2009 at 1:03 pm
    Mgith I also suggest that, since you`re SO paranoid, and you think we`re already on the path to a police state, that you attempt to gain an office and actually DO something about it.

    That seems like the only way, short of a revolution, that anything`s going to change.

    And I`ve already got the revolution path covered.

    Now, let`s see if THAT gets me put on some watchlist, or put under constant surveillance. That`s an anti-governmental statement, right there, but I don`t see anyone dragging me out of my home and shooting me, otherwise I wouldn`t be typing this, now would I?

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    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
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    February 1, 2009 at 1:07 pm
    Altaru, in all of your tantrum you failed to make a single decent point. Sorry.
  76. Profile photo of TheSharpest
    TheSharpest Male 18-29
    1767 posts
    February 1, 2009 at 1:07 pm
    The point is this "Police State" the author describes is non-existent and exaggerated.
    It isn`t really as black & white (either a Police State or an Anarchy). True freedom is in that whole gray area. So what if they put up a few cams and get your fingerprints? Some security measures must be taken.
    The author is overreacting. Paranoia FTL. And no, because I don`t think we live in a Police State doesn`t mean I promote one or "I`m the kind of people who let it happen", as several people have mentioned.
  77. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    February 1, 2009 at 1:14 pm
    please don`t misquote me.
    if you have no faith in your fellow man then you have no faith at all.
  78. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    February 1, 2009 at 1:53 pm
    "if you have no faith in your fellow man then you have no faith at all"

    "Faith in your fellow man" is what`s gotten the world into one hell of a lot of messes.

    Including this one, and the economic crisis we`re in right now.

    Faith itself has caused just about every problem known to man, with the exception of natural disastors.

    I learned a LONG time ago not to have faith in my fellow man," because they`re not worth it.

    Obviously you`ve never suffered at the hands of someone you thought you could trust. I`m speaking to a deaf man.

    I`m not presenting valid points for one of two reasons, either

    A) You`re an idiot, just like the majority of the morons that actually believe that this is going to take away everything,

    or

    B) You won`t listen to ANY points besides those that agree to your own, in which case, see reason A.

  79. Profile photo of Mjustin
    Mjustin Male 18-29
    335 posts
    February 1, 2009 at 2:04 pm
    Altaru, I think you may have been watching the news a bit too much. You seem to think the world is a bleak place where people will just go around killing and stealing unless they have someone threaten them with imprisonment. Here`s a nice fact for you: most people aren`t like that. The vast majority of people aren`t being held back from killing others by a law; they`re held back by their own conscience.

    This is what happens when governments get too big and too comfortable. Our rights are getting stripped away one by one, little by little. If you let the government take away your right to privacy, pretty soon your freedom of speech goes bye-bye. Then your right to bear arms. Then your freedom of religion, etc. It`s a slippery slope, and we`ve started sliding.

  80. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    February 1, 2009 at 2:09 pm
    if you assume people are evil, then you are more likely to treat them as if they were evil, which in turn would make you evil. but that agrees with your initial assumption anyway.
  81. Profile photo of Mjustin
    Mjustin Male 18-29
    335 posts
    February 1, 2009 at 2:09 pm
    Anyone who wants to know how bad it`s getting should go to Youtube and type in "This is what a police state looks like" and click the first result. I`m just glad not all police are like the ones in the video.
  82. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    February 1, 2009 at 2:24 pm
    And you`re all automtically assuming that all the police, all the government officials, and all the people in power are all inherently evil.

    That`s more than a little hypocritical.

    Especially considering that, at some pont or another, most of them were one of us.

    That quote about "power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely," is a load of bullsh*t.

    Power doesn`t do anything more than bring out the corruption that was already in the people to begin with.

    You`re just assuming that since the government has a gun in their hands, they`re going to pull the trigger.

    Well, here`s a little hint. There are millions of "normal," and "good" people that would do the same thing.

    And who do you think protects us from those people?

    And HOW do you think they do it?

  83. Profile photo of vE
    vE Male 18-29
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    February 1, 2009 at 2:28 pm
    comments shouldn`t be in iab... its really just a bunch of people closing their ears yelling LALALALALALALALALALALA MY OPINION OUTWEIGHS YOURS REGARDLESS DUE TO LAWS OF EGOCENTRISM
  84. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    February 1, 2009 at 2:33 pm
    i didn`t say that the government was evil, all of the people in the government are just people. and i think you`re a little off base calling bullsh*t on machiavelli.
  85. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    February 1, 2009 at 2:46 pm
    do you even realize how our government works? our government is based around the knowledge that power corrupts. the system of checks and balances makes sure that the power is divided among the different branches. wise men wrote our constitution and it has kept the power of the government under control. as we become more of a capitalist democracy, however, this power is being shifted to the wealthy who are gaining increasingly more control over the government.
  86. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    February 1, 2009 at 2:49 pm
    Oh? Off-base you say?

    How many people in history have had power and stayed decent people?

    How many could have led an army and destroyed entire nations, slaughtered hundreds of thousands of people, could have ordered an uprising... But didn`t?

    The quote, is bullsh*t, plain and simple, because there are hundreds of examples that can dis-prove it as easily as it can be proven.

    Put a gun in a mans hands. That`s giving him power, power to kill you and a number of people around him.

    According to you and Mjustin, you would trust him NOT to pull the trigger. Because, as you said, you have "faith in your fellow man," and as Mjustin said, "most people aren`t like that. The vast majority of people aren`t being held back from killing others by a law; they`re held back by their own conscience."

    I MYSELF didn`t call bullsh*t on the quote. This so called "conscience" called bullsh*t.

    You`re a bunch of hypocrites.

  87. Profile photo of Animecha
    Animecha Male 18-29
    147 posts
    February 1, 2009 at 2:53 pm
    I think this video is hypocritical in that it uses fear the same way it claims that the government does in order to convince you of their side. Not to mention its logically fallacious since it describes the loss of zones of privacy and then immediately equates privacy to freedom without any direct correlation. The fear it employs isn`t even really that evident either, it argues the "Who watches the watchers" idea in that anyone with the power to observe will abuse that information but its simply an assumption that they will.

    I personally think that this is an inevitable outcome of the onset of advanced technology. More people are now capable of more advanced crimes and the materials involved are becoming easier to acquire. It maybe that this surveillance will be the only prevention down the line when we enter an age where people will be able to build nukes and create viruses in their basements.

  88. Profile photo of Mjustin
    Mjustin Male 18-29
    335 posts
    February 1, 2009 at 2:57 pm
    Altaru, you seem to be confused on the meaning of the word "hypocrite." You so far have only demonstrated that you don`t know what the term means, instead using it as an instant argument winner in lieu of an actual argument.

    You seem to have this idea that the constitution and human rights in general aren`t important, as has been heavily implied by your posts, and by your complacency in allowing your rights and the rights of those around you to be stripped away.

    Can you give a valid reason as to why the government should be allowed to own all of us and have such control over us, or are you going to keep whining about how evil everyone is and calling people hypocrites when they clearly aren`t?

    Don`t punish the world for your own misanthropy.

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    capt_weasle Male 13-17
    26 posts
    February 1, 2009 at 3:00 pm
    You mean the government will know the color of my eyes? Oh god, not that!
  90. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
    2245 posts
    February 1, 2009 at 3:17 pm
    "Obviously you`ve never suffered at the hands of someone you thought you could trust. I`m speaking to a deaf man."

    i`m really not trying to be an assh*le right now, but you should just talk to someone about this. don`t vent online, find a friend or a teacher or someone to talk about this with. please take my word that i am being sincere right now.

  91. Profile photo of nicalobe
    nicalobe Male 18-29
    119 posts
    February 1, 2009 at 3:52 pm
    All I got from this vid is the Big Brother system will stop crime.

    Sounds good to me, where do I sign up?

  92. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    February 1, 2009 at 3:53 pm
    "Can you give a valid reason as to why the government should be allowed to own all of us and have such control over us"

    A) I never SAID the government should have full control over us.

    B) I called you all a bunch of hypocrites because you seem to think that people AREN`T evil, but power automatically MAKES them evil.

    But people have a conscience, according to you a least.

    C) Maybe you should present me a valid example of where giving someone power automatically makes them corrupt. I asked that first, and you seem to have doged the issue. Just like anyone of your type will. If you don`t like the question, you never heard it.

  93. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    February 1, 2009 at 3:58 pm
    "You seem to have this idea that the constitution and human rights in general aren`t important, as has been heavily implied by your posts, and by your complacency in allowing your rights and the rights of those around you to be stripped away."

    Show me an example of where these rights have been taken away. I can still say whatever I want on here, can I not?

    I`m still allowed to tell stories about getting a BJ from my GF over the phone, am I not?

    I haven`t gotten any blackmail letters from the government, even when I said the same things I normally do while on the watchlist.

    It WON`T TAKE AWAY EVERYTHING. If you`re smart enough, you can get around it all anyway. If you`re not, well, learn to live with the system because the idiots have always been slaves anyway, whether they knew it or not.

    The only people that will actually suffer from much of this are the people that either

    A) Do something illegal,

    or

    B)aren`t smart enough to figure out a way around the system

  94. Profile photo of Mjustin
    Mjustin Male 18-29
    335 posts
    February 1, 2009 at 4:11 pm
    "A) I never SAID the government should have full control over us."

    I didn`t say full control.

    "B) I called you all a bunch of hypocrites because you seem to think that people AREN`T evil, but power automatically MAKES them evil."

    Great, now you`re attacking straw men.

    "C) Maybe you should present me a valid example of where giving someone power automatically makes them corrupt. I asked that first, and you seem to have doged the issue. Just like anyone of your type will. If you don`t like the question, you never heard it."

    Yet another straw man, and a generalization. Are you even trying to make a valid point?

  95. Profile photo of Mjustin
    Mjustin Male 18-29
    335 posts
    February 1, 2009 at 4:17 pm
    "Show me an example of where these rights have been taken away."

    Ever heard of a Free Speech Zone?

    "It WON`T TAKE AWAY EVERYTHING."

    History shows that a government will take away your most basic rights if you let it.

    "If you`re smart enough, you can get around it all anyway."

    Irrelevant. That`s not what this is about and you know it.

    "The only people that will actually suffer from much of this are the people that either

    A) Do something illegal,

    or

    B)aren`t smart enough to figure out a way around the system"

    The thing is, when governments get like this they start to make things like dissent illegal. They start to make it illegal to belong to a particular religion or to hold particular opinions. That`s what happens, and that`s what needs to be prevented.

  96. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    February 1, 2009 at 4:21 pm
    This is pointless. It`s turned into a pissing contest.

    It`s a case of "I think you`re a moron, and you know I`m an idiot."

    I`m right, your wrong, you`re thinking the same thing, let`s just end this stupid f*cking charade and go on with our lives.

  97. Profile photo of sixclaws13
    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
    2314 posts
    February 1, 2009 at 6:37 pm
    ""Faith in your fellow man" is what`s gotten the world into one hell of a lot of messes.

    Including this one, and the economic crisis we`re in right now.

    ...

    I learned a LONG time ago not to have faith in my fellow man," because they`re not worth it."

    A. Faith in the government has gotten us into this economic crisis, not faith in the common man.

    B. If you think your fellow man is so evil that he can not be trusted, what makes you think the men in the government are so much better? To quote Frederic Bastiat:

    "If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind?"

  98. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    February 1, 2009 at 7:56 pm
    "If you think your fellow man is so evil that he can not be trusted, what makes you think the men in the government are so much better?"

    A) I never said that I had any more faith in the government. I said that the way people automatically assume that everyone in power is going to turn corrupt is just as stupid as believeing that most "normal" people are "good."

    B) Considering that I ceased the arguement by admitting that this had turned into a pissing contest, and that all this bullsh*t was pointless, and NOONE ELSE has argued here since, you are now officially a dumbass, for being late to the party. Have fun making as ass of yourself.

  99. Profile photo of SilverThread
    SilverThread Male 30-39
    3431 posts
    February 1, 2009 at 10:02 pm
    "...instrumentalize the public fear of terror to justify..."

    Isn`t this video attempting to accomplish the same thing it accuses the "Government" of?

    I am more fearful of Corporations eavesdropping on my privacy than I am of the Government.

  100. Profile photo of sixclaws13
    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
    2314 posts
    February 2, 2009 at 8:39 am
    Someone pissed in Altarus Cheerios this morning, apparently. Have fun being an angsty 16 year old, when you`re ready to join the real world let someone know.
  101. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    February 2, 2009 at 1:33 pm
    Not only does age say VERY little about a persons mental capacity, personality, or just about any other trait commonly associated
    with it (in my case at least, seeing as how I`m more intelligent and more mature than most fully grown adults), but...

    Angsty?

    Real world?

    I`m not the paranoid f*cking moron who thinks the government`s going to take over every aspect of my life.

    Again, have fun making an ass of yourself.

  102. Profile photo of sixclaws13
    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
    2314 posts
    February 2, 2009 at 1:55 pm
    "in my case at least, seeing as how I`m more intelligent and more mature than most fully grown adults"

    Ha ha, you also seem to have an ego problem. I have never met someone who said, "I`m so smart" and had it been true.

  103. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    February 2, 2009 at 2:25 pm
    "I have never met someone who said, "I`m so smart" and had it been true."

    A) Quite likely because "smart" people tend to avoid the word, especially saying it in that manner.

    B) Classified as gifted since the age of 7 in the state of Ohio in the area`s of Math, Science, Reading, and Writing, with a genius IQ.

    You just did.

  104. Profile photo of Abacab2112
    Abacab2112 Male 18-29
    433 posts
    February 2, 2009 at 3:01 pm
    Altaru, when it comes to politics, ethics, history, etc., it is far more important to be wise than to be smart.

    As a 16-year-old, I`ll argue a point I believe in for one of two purposes:

    1) The other person may refute my argument successfully and I gain a new paradigm, am shown superior logic or am taught new information.

    2) I am 100% sure I`m right.

    Option 2 doesn`t happen very often because as a 16-year-old, I know that I have had far less world experience than my older contemporaries. Your IQ and academic skills are impressive, but they only indicate your intellectual potential, not your actual knowledge or wisdom. So from one kid to another: please don`t use that kind of information in an argument. Actually refute their points and win on relevant information or concede and learn. Either option is good.

  105. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    February 2, 2009 at 3:26 pm
    I was against his comment that "he`s never met anyone who said they were smart, and was."

    As for political and ethical wisdom, age STILL doesn`t count for much, because as it is, many of the situations we`re facing we`ve faced in the past, and the solutions we used back then didn`t work.

    We need NEW thinkers, not people who believe the same old bullsh*t.

    On topic with the actual subject this arguement started with, if this country was going to become a police state, we`d already be one. There were many points in history where the government could have completely taken control, and taken away all of our freedoms. But they didn`t.

    And they won`t. Because a police state isn`t made after a country is well established and the people are set in their ways. The people would launch a revolution, and in this country especially, the people would win.

  106. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    February 2, 2009 at 3:27 pm
    Of course, that`s not to say the same revolutionaries wouldn`t proceed to set up their own police state afterwards. After all, according to Sixclaws and the others, power corrupts, right?
  107. Profile photo of sixclaws13
    sixclaws13 Male 18-29
    2314 posts
    February 2, 2009 at 3:35 pm
    "if this country was going to become a police state, we`d already be one.

    ...

    a police state isn`t made after a country is well established and the people are set in their ways.

    Ignorance is shining through brightly in those statements. Apparently history isn`t one of your "gifted" subjects.

    Also, I was put in the gifted program at my school in fourth grade and stayed there for the rest of my education. Top score on all standardized tests and the ACT in my class. And you know what? It doesn`t mean sh*t. I`d advise you to get over yourself now because in the real world no one cares about your IQ and you can`t barter your way out of any situation using your test scores. I give that advice in honest sincerity and am abandoning this thread.

  108. Profile photo of Altaru
    Altaru Male 18-29
    3483 posts
    February 2, 2009 at 6:12 pm
    "Ignorance is shining through brightly in those statements. Apparently history isn`t one of your "gifted" subjects."

    Oh?

    Show me an example of a well-established country that just all of a sudden became a police state.

    Let`s see... Cuba and Russia both became police states after a revolutionary war, most of the middle east has ALWAYS been dictatorships and absolute control...

    When the people are set in their ways, you can`t just take them over. Not without throwing their whole world into chaos first to give a reason for taking over.

    And the problem with that is, in the US, there are people who are actually ACTIVE in the effort to prevent just that from happening. Unfortunately, you sitting here on IAB wasting your time with a pointless arguement doesn`t tell me that you`re one of them...

  109. Profile photo of Abacab2112
    Abacab2112 Male 18-29
    433 posts
    February 3, 2009 at 3:14 pm
    Well, Altaru, Rome never became a police state per se, but they decayed from a well-established republic like the United States to mob rule and finally to oligarchy under the Caesars and those who proceeded them. It`s no police state, but with the technology of their day, it`s as close as it gets.

    It all happened because the people forgot that their liberties were important. The nation became paranoid, established an unsustainable empire, made "funny money" out of worthless metals, and the people became dependent on the government for public funding. Sound familiar?

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    RandomDude Male 13-17
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    December 30, 2009 at 2:12 pm
    I liked the `Winston Smith` joke...

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