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Honestly it`s the religions fault that things like this happen, because it forces men who are gay to stifle their true selves out of shame.
Obviously though that kind of repressed life ends up exploding in their face. (or in a lot of cases an innocent altar boy`s face... sorry I had to).
haha i love it!
"Well certainly slick roads tonight..."
I felt the need to repost that because it`s so true.
I really try.
But damnit, the Evangelicals are making it difficult!"
The handful of us that make the news are... those of us trying to live normal, helpful lives aren`t really. Maybe if we reach into semantics and say the church is terrorists etc., but in a practical sense, I probably don`t make anyone`s open-mindedness more difficult. I hope.
Overmann, your presence has been missed. You are the surgical scalpel of reason. Welcome back.
(your welcome prime)
Remove the notion that religious leaders are somehow inherently more moral than the rest of us and you`ll see.
"As an organization, the Catholic Church should have acted sooner and done more."
I am of the opinion that they should have done less, such as not transporting and protecting suspected child abusers.
That is utterly different from falsely stereotyping priests as pedophiles.
It is entirely appropriate that Ted Haggard is called on his sexual harassment charges. What I find inappropriate is "What`s going on with religious leaders?"
One is useful scrutiny of people in power, the other is negative stereotyping which helps hide actual pedophiles.
Estimates at RT are that 1 in 20 priests are pedophiles (technically hebephiles). Estimates at my other link suggest 1 in 8 regular males are.
As individuals Ted Haggard and his ilk need to be shunned and removed. As a group, the Catholic priests are *more* trustworthy. As an organization, the Catholic Church should have acted sooner and done more.
These are three separate issues.
(P.S. I only used Catholics specifically because I found Catholic stats more easily).
To be fair Baal, your everyday father or stepfather is not appointed to his position for the advocation of upholding the laws of God, and of the Church, and of Christianity. These people are put in a specific position of trust. After all, if we can`t trust God`s representatives on earth, then who can we trust?
It is right and proper that these people (religious leaders) should come under more critical scrutiny than your average male. They are meant to be the moral keystone of society, the proof that religion is founded in morality and that without religion we have nihilism and debauchery and blah blah blah.
Tell it to the judge.
300 lawsuits dealing with abuse sounds like a lot, and in an ideal world it would be alot, but it is a drop in the ocean to the 150`000 to 200`000 cases filed each year.
You`re targeting a group unfairly, who fare better than the average American male, for something they are having virtually no impact on.
Why? Genuine concern or specific agenda?
Parents were completely blind because they had this stereotype in their mind of the "abusive stranger" while 80% of abuse cases were by relative. This is the same dangerous blinkering.
Links:Sex abuse stats source
1 in 5 females, and 1 in 7 males have been sexually abused. Considering an average abuser targets 2.2 victims, this gives us a rough estimate of: 7.8% of the population are sexual abusers.
Pedophiles seek out positions of power/trust and access to children, including Teachers, Coaches, Baby Sitters, Camp Counsellors, and Priests.
Many will go as far as marrying single mothers for access to their children.
Now, think about what that means for a second. Assuming catholic priests are average: There should be 3700 cases of abuse.
Estimates are: 2800 to 5000. (Average 3900 or 5% higher than national average, 40% lower than the male average)
You need to be shocked and disgusted at the scale of sexual abuse, not with "religious leaders" who fare better than fathers and step fathers when it comes to abuse.
But damnit, the Evangelicals are making it difficult!
These evangelical churches are an institution. They did not want to lose pari$honer$.Then they promised blackmail money to this guy but still their lust for the dough made them baulk at actually paying it. Just like the catholics and their homopedophilic preists.
People listen up.
Organized religion is an institution for earthly things. Don`t expect anything other than earthly interests from them.A true religious life need not cost a dime.Do charity directly to others instead of feeding institutions. I`m no christian but even I know that`s how christ, budda and mohammed lived. They did not contribute to a church. They lived a life that radiated outwards from themselves directly to those around them - as you can
dirty scumbag c*nt..