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[quote]Cy, the C Major scale is very different from, say, the Bb Major, or E Major[/quote]I assume that you`re not talking about weird stuff like the Mixolydian mode but about simple transpositions of the major scale from one key to another, right? If that`s so, I can`t see (hear) a difference between C major or B flat major or any other major. I just looked up perfect pitch on Wikipedia, and apparently it comes in different varieties: for instance some people can identify the key of a piece of music though not an isolated note. Maybe you have some variety of that.
Pachabel`s Canon has 5 chords: I V vi iii IV I IV V. But I know what you`re saying. And this video only accounts for poo pop songs, but I guess that was the point, wasn`t it? Also, no accounting for a minor key or mode in this video, is there?
Anyway, Suicism, I had to use "Raccoon1" for Youthink. Just so you know.
Suicism, I think it could be inherent that you hear the modulations so well. However, the tonalities get my attention as well.
How long have you been a musical person, by the way? (This is just curiosity; I get nerdy when I come across someone else who`s so fluent in music.)
every instrument used commonly in rock music uses chords. the exception being vocals. which require multiple people and even vocals tend to use chords.
And augmented. And suspended. And major sevenths. And so on.
And by the way, not all instruments can play chords. Most can only play one note at a time.
Interesting musical background you seem to have by the way; is Accordion quite the bit more popular as an introductory instrument in Canada than America?
Baalthazaq, check your PM
miauw, I might be able to help you (that is if you’re not too occupied with exams to reply)
amaqdrinker, point-taken, and thank you MaFSotL for confronting that perplexing claim so that I didn’t have to.
oh btw i love you tim minchin and your canvas bags... if you want more minchin check out the adam hilsong
Cy, the C Major scale is very different from, say, the Bb Major, or E Major. Then you have minor scales. They changed the keys to make them ALL SOUND THE SAME, despite the fact that they aren`t.
Also, Alicia Keys is hot.
Defining art and creating "rules" (I prefer the term "norms") make breaking those rules possible and profound. for example: If there was no concept of perspective in visual art, we would still paint like artists in the middle ages, and Picasso would have just been another dude with a paint brush. defining art is imperative if you want any kind of progression
also...while Mozart was a musical genius, Bach was a COMPOSITIONAL genius. Mozart did not contribute nearly as much in the art of composition as Bach or Beethoven.
G--->D---->Em---->C you can do all those songs.
It`s the same chord progression, maybe not key though. But then again, key doesn`t really matter :). You can put the progression in any key. G is just the easiest I think.
I`d hardly consider that stagnation."
i said usually and bach is amazing but he is not mozart, or robert johnson, or john coltrane. and anyway, bach`s contributions to music came from him as an individual.
It was half a joke about the classical music, but can you imagine the music they will be listening to? nobody in the early 1900`s could fathom rap or rock, they were all big band and jazz.
I have to say that some bands do a much better job of exposing the classical influence in rock than others. It`s noticeable to the non-musician via string quartet or orchestra compositions. such as the Orchestral versions of Pink Floyd music or Apocalyptica`s music (string quartet of Metallica).
Probably not. All things considered, music started becoming `modernized` already almost a century ago with the Jazz era of the early 1900`s, followed closely by swing, jitterbug, and yes: blues. These gave way to rock `n` roll, which gave us the first instances of popular, or "pop" music. Classical music is VERY different from the other genres of music that have cropped up since, but has been a basis for almost every single one of them.
Now like I had said, all that Axis did was transpose these songs so that they would sound like all you need is those chords. They were just showcasing the basic four chords: Major, minor, 7th and diminished. You can hear these in ALL types of music. Some will omit one, and it depends on the major or minor scale, but these are the four basics of music.
Baal, you`re right. It`s refreshing to talk with someone who shares a passion for the language of music, and understands the s
Suicism, I did pick up on it. It`s subtle. However, I figured since you had mentioned it in a previous post, that I wouldn`t touch on it; you seem to have done a good job explaining that part of the whole thing.
This is Axiswesome!
yeah, when I think of it, I think of Fry sitting in his 80`s apartment (the one "now with asbestos") turning on "I like big butts" and Leela says, "You can`t sit around all day listening to classical music" that is why futurama is SO much better than most of the adult cartoons (and slaughters MacFarland`s), those one line quipes.
My favorite musical reference on futurama has to be when they go back in time. "Zoidberg, you pick up the pieces....everyone else, take five" no 10 minutes on the same joke, just give the line and move on, the audience should laugh of its own accord.
but enough of that great show...back to topic at hand.
I`d hardly consider that stagnation.
"in 100 years, will this be considered classical?" Ha ha, reminds me of that Futurama episode where Leela, in a rejection of its application as upbeat and/or dance-friendly, refers to Hip-Hop as that "stuffy classical music."
true words. art is what you make it, it can`t be molded or shaped by anyone but the artist and perciever.
screw defining art, just let your senses react to it. institutionalized art has had very little effect on art`s progression and usually just leads to stagnation.
also, the transposition is misleading. my brother said the same thing when he was learning guitar, all I need to know is 4 chords and I can play almost every song out now a days. right but wrong. you need to learn LOTS of chords, the rhythm and tempo are different and then you have a bridge which changes the chord progression usually. plus, it sounds retarded when you are transposing some of these songs, they work in their key but sound so forced.
btw, Maroon5 already plays on this in Songs About Jane, listen VERY closely to This Love, at the end they use She Will Be Loved as a closing (of a sort). that is, on the CD and not on the radio edit...radio kills us all.
in 100 years, will this be considered classical? imagine the music our grandkids and great grandkids are going to be listening to...
the science is what attracts us to art...without structure many would find art ambiguous.
Now, all that Axis of Awesome did was transpose all those songs into the same key, which made it sound like they just used the same chords. They did, but in different keys, and used different phrasing, combinations and arpeggios, and combinations therein.
It`s impressive when you get it all together, but really not all that unexpected.
Trust me. I know what I`m talking about.
However, halfway through (and I`ll forgive most of you for not picking up on this) the progression DOES modulate to begin in E`s relative minor, c# (it`s after the comical A-ha venture) and proceeds to follow i(c#)-IV(A)-III(E, formerly the tonic) and VII(B, formerly the V). It then parlays back into E-major during the transition into Natalie Imbruglia. Interesting stuff, I`d seen the guy from Five year Plan do a similar expose` when it was last posted here, except he sticks to E for I believe the whole time (really driving the point home).
By the way, in case anyone is wondering why our collection began with E-major? I have a hint for you: you`ll find your answer so long as you keep believin`.
cheers for the link.
The only "original" music one can make nowadays, are using 20th century techniques.IE tonal music, where you take any scale and start on any given note on that scale using the same key signature, creating ones own scales, AKA 12-tone series, or 8-tone series, or any amount the you want, and of course their respective inversions.
And anyone who uses all major chords should be shot... what`s the point of music without dissonance?In one of my original compositions I had it one note at a time, but sustaining the notes with the notes A, D, F, E, in that order. It sounds better than any pop music.
i do not think that is the case. as mozart said "all the notes are there, they just need to be put in the right order." or words to that effect in hungarian...or whatever.
there only are 12 notes. do people really believe there is such a thing as an "original" composition anymore? or for that matter ever? music is inherently repetitive. this progression combined with the amen break are more often than not all there is to most contemporary music. and providing you can slap a pretty face on the cover or have some pointless pseudophilosophy attached to the music it should still market well.
Plus this particular Progression is so friendly and easy to use, why not?
I`m gonna search every song I hear for these chords.
Music has been this way since the beginning. This band just wanted to do it with songs people recognized. it has nothing to do with "new music" not being as good as "old music"
I love comedy bands like this.