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Date: 12/11/08 09:07 AM

145 Responses to Should Assisted Suicide Be Legalised In The UK?

  1. Profile photo of fancylad
    fancylad Male 30-39
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    December 11, 2008 at 6:30 am
    Link: Should Assisted Suicide Be Legalised In The UK? - Craig Ewert who was suffering from motor neurone disease, chose to allow cameras to film him at a Swiss clinic.
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    draquoir Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 9:13 am
    NO IT SHOULDNT
  3. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 9:14 am
    let the flame war begin
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    culberto Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 9:16 am
    Humanity is too immature to deal with this subject. Check back in 50 years.
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 9:18 am
    Now that is interesting. Seems a BS law to have in Britain. Even if you make it illegal there, people like this will just do their suicide elsewhere. If you wan`t to die, there`s nothing that can stop you.
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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 9:18 am
    that scene with him "falling asleep" to beethoven`s ninth... soylent green anybody?
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    spp Female 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 9:20 am
    I can totally understand why he decided to do that. Especially with the state of the NHS. If we sorted out our care homes and hospices etc I might agree with the other guy who said it wasn`t nessesery. The truth is that people deserve the death they want, and while most are being highly selfish when they decide to commit suicide I think that this is a reason I would agree with. I don`t believe people should be forced into thinking that suicide is the only option for them because they are ill like this. You never know what you can give to the world.
  8. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 9:21 am
    and for the record my opinion on assisted suicide is way to tied up in my religious beliefs so i`m not going to go there on this thread.
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    ne028 Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 9:21 am
    British women are hideous so yes.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    December 11, 2008 at 9:22 am
    If people want to die with dignity and without suffering, under conditions of their own choosing, then who the hell are the government to tell them they aren`t allowed?
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    WhenIsLunch Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 9:28 am
    not trying to belittle the situation but isnt this like when you were little and you stepped on an ant or somthing and it was still alive, didnt your parents tell you to put it out of its misery. should people be allowed to do the same thing?
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 9:30 am
    Yes, I think it should.

    If the patient is able to express their wish to die, perhaps with official witnesses, or recorded onto video, or expresses a wish along those lines in a will or similar legal document, to die if they reach a certain level of suffering and are incapable of expressing their wish, then yes, I think it is a perfectly-acceptable thing to do.

    I know why people are worried; they`re scared of Doctor Death, another Harold Shipman, who`ll kill them and claim it was assisted suicide afterwards. But as long as there are rigorous requirements for proof of consent, then I see no problem.

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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 9:32 am
    Or to give an emotional argument: your pet dog is probably more likely to die painlessly, and with dignity, than your grandmother.
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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 9:32 am
    I am for this kind of organization.

    "Nothing to fear of a natural death"?
    Dude, he`s SUFFERING!

    If the person is terminally ill, there is absolutely no way to save them, they are in pain and suffering to an extent where death would be a release from it all, then yes. Help them sleep. By forcing them to live through that horror you`re being extremely cruel.

    Like that French woman said before she found someway out, "You wouldn`t let an animal suffer like this, why would you let a human?"

  15. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 9:34 am
    someone please take the opposite side of this argument, i have things to do today.
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    stencilcat Female 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 9:37 am
    As long as Ive watched people I love die so so slowly from terminal Illness I agree and if it came to me..whether to choose to die from drinking sum little amount of lethal poison or die slowly and painfully and have my family watch me suffer Id choose to take my own life. I could not stand to put my kids through wat I went through with my parents.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    December 11, 2008 at 9:40 am
    vv "and for the record my opinion on assisted suicide is way to tied up in my religious beliefs..."

    Exactly, Amaq. Any rational person who is not clouded by conservative religious views can see that this is the right, noble, kind and loving thing to offer in the appropriate circumstances. In the 21st century, the only reasons for opposing a reasonable request for assisted suicide, much like the only reasons for opposing homosexuality, are caught up in bronze-age religious dogma and have no place in how we run a modern society.

    In my humble opinion, of course.

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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 9:42 am
    do the people who feel that this should be legal think that all suicide should be legal? and if not, why?
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    deltaumarcus Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 9:44 am
    Have to agree with Davy. I have strong faith in my religion but if a person is in incredible pain and they are going to die from cancer/aids/other horrible diseases, then it`s OK.
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    alice_x Female 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 9:45 am
    It`s right, under the right circumstances..
  21. Profile photo of deltaumarcus
    deltaumarcus Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 9:45 am
    amaq, it`s hard to charge someone who killed them self with murder
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    n0n Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 9:46 am
    no governing body, anywhere, has the right to tell a human being that they are not allowed to end their own suffering in the way that they choose. it is a human rights violation.
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    deltaumarcus Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 9:47 am
    This is already legal in Oregon. For some reason, people are not contesting it there...
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    Kawoenheim Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 9:48 am
    There is a vast difference, Amaq, between a person with a terminal illness that is in great pain and will die regardless as opposed to a person who is in great emotional pain but would not die unless they committed suicide.
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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 9:48 am
    attempted suicide is punishable by law.
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    geek_nimrod Female 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 9:49 am
    That was so sad, but I do understand that it is their noble, courageous choice.
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    AndroidMetro Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 9:50 am
    That was really sad.
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    HornyPanda Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 9:50 am
    This really touched me. Suicide in general should be legal, in a planned or controlled way only. Get your stuff straight when you go and whatnot and let yourself go. Yeah it may not be a painful life you`re living physically, but some people don`t want to see their parents or spouses all over them every day. I feel for that guy and how hee felt emotionally as well. Sure, people are gonna exploit the crap out of it, but they deserve to die no? lol
  29. Profile photo of deltaumarcus
    deltaumarcus Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 9:51 am
    This is my liberal tendencies that still come up. I`m taking myself out of this debate, since I can`t see both sides equally.
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    aust4beer Male 30-39
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    December 11, 2008 at 9:51 am
    Davy, you said it all! And yes, this should be legal.
  31. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 9:53 am
    you know what like i said this is way too tied up in my religious beliefs, i feel that i do not have the right to decide when i die and other people don`t either. read the book The Death of Ivan Ilych. that`s what really solidified my views on suicide. to die without facing the inevitability of death and the acceptance of your own lack of control is to not fully understand life.
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    Megido Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 9:54 am
    Well i think it`s obvious taht it should be allowed. The right kind of screening has to be passed before you are given the go but i don`t see why a person suffering an incurable disease or something similar should not have the right to end his or her own life in a dignified manner.

    amaqdrinker: because a suicide should be nothing but a last resort. Some damn emo kid crying over how unfair the world is should get help (not help with killing him/her self ofc), while a person like the man in this clip who actually has no way out other than death, should be granted a dignified death if he so chooses.

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    VikingGuy Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 9:56 am
    cant say much to it, in my views suicides are cowards proving their inability and unreliability to stand through till the bitter end, sacrifice for a cause or to save others, yes, suicide, no, if you ask my people, they´d not even recieve a marked grave.
    flame it all you want, but stop and think on simple respect for ways of life different than your own.
  34. Profile photo of Megido
    Megido Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 9:59 am
    VikingGuy: so it`s better to suffer pointlessly and making life hard for your family and friends in the process? That`s just brilliant.
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    Kawoenheim Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 10:00 am
    Perhaps you should practice what you preach, eh VikingGuy?
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    spp Female 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 10:00 am
    amaq there`s a difference. Most suicide cases are for selfish reasons, doing this because you are ill to the point of needing 24/7 care isn`t always for selfish reasons. They are looking out for their family. They don`t want them to suffer because of their illness.

    That`s why I believe that as long as it`s maintained properly (not allowing doctor death`s etc) that it should be legal. However I do still believe that suicide in general should be discouraged and help given to those who believe it`s the only option for them. Help those who think about committing suicide because they are depressed, mentally ill and those who have stress worries such as money or exam pressue (it may seem fickle to kill yourself because of a test but I have a friend who did so.) Help them find another option. But in cases like this....there isn`t another option. As the guy on the video said. It`s die now or suffer and die later.

  37. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 10:00 am
    "As a matter of fact, I`d even take it one step further and suggest that we actually "thin the herd" once in a while. I think we have more than our share of idiots. Natural Selection needs a little push now and then."

    please tell me you`re just trolling.

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    pmarren Male 40-49
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    December 11, 2008 at 10:01 am
    I can`t speak for the UK, but it should be legal here in the US.

    As a matter of fact, I`d even take it one step further and suggest that we actually "thin the herd" once in a while. I think the United States has more than our share of idiots. Natural Selection needs a little push now and then don`t you think?
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    Ty-Force Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 10:01 am
    how bout no to the suicide thing?
  40. Profile photo of VikingGuy
    VikingGuy Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 10:02 am
    i do, and i stand by it loyally, unlike some others easily swayed by popular opinion, and suffering and pain are a simple part of life.
    as i said, simple respect for ways different than your own, do not judge what you do not know or understand.
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    pmarren Male 40-49
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    December 11, 2008 at 10:03 am
    amaqdrinker: If I have to explain to you what I meant, it would lose it`s effect. You`ll never get it.
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    staberind Female 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 10:04 am
    news just in, we will all die. this guy has decided that he`s probably not going to have many chuckles until he dies, so he pulls the plug, his choice, unlike others, i have my views, they are separate from any outside sociological setting.

    That said: these things need to be on a case by case review.

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    Kawoenheim Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 10:04 am
    Hypocritical words, VikingGuy, since it is YOU who are condemning others as worthless because of a PRIVATE decision of their way of life, which is different than your own.
  44. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 10:05 am
    "If I have to explain to you what I meant, it would lose it`s effect. You`ll never get it."

    i`ll never get the fact that men should be able to decide which innocent people are worthy to live and which deserve to die? thank God.

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    D-Roc_OPP Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 10:06 am
    IMO assisted suicide is no diff then pullin the plug on a coma patient... only u get to make the decision, my mother attemted suicide 1ce... but not b/c of health probs or a serious reason, which i think was wrong... if you are in seriously fadinghealth i think it should be ok... if you`re broke or depressed suck it the f*ck up and carry on... ive been desperately clinging to anything i got to keep afloat in this screwed economy that is america (yeah best country in the world my a$$) and i have never thought about that b/s... if i were to get hit by a car tomorrow and become a paraplegic and cant support myself anymore, let alone support ym own body weight anymore... yeah i choose death
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    staberind Female 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 10:07 am
    pmarren, as far as thinning the herd is concerned, the us govt wants you to visit some place in the middle east, to assist.
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    Megido Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 10:07 am
    "do not judge what you do not know or understand."
    In other words you shouldn`t judge the people who do these things yourself, seeing as how you probably aren`t in the same situation. Come back when your paralyzed from the neck down and we can talk.
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    VikingGuy Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 10:07 am
    i didnt condemn them i expressed my views on it, i don`t ask anyone to agree with it or to accept it, i simply asked it to be respected, after all, its a PRIVATE matter within our own circle.
  49. Profile photo of pmarren
    pmarren Male 40-49
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    December 11, 2008 at 10:10 am
    amaqdrinker: Wrong. You cannot grasp my purpose. Quit trying to figure it out and you`ll get better sleep tonight, I promise. My writing was WAY over your head. Just relax a bit and go to your happy place.
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    woomanfoo Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 10:10 am
    "Hypocritical words, VikingGuy, since it is YOU who are condemning others as worthless because of a PRIVATE decision of their way of life, which is different than your own."

    I`m glad someone else noticed that...Dude is saying they don`t even deserve marked graves because he disagrees with them, but WE should definitely respect HIS beliefs. Makes total sense.

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    Midge210 Female 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 10:12 am
    that was hard for me to watch... but i think his choice was justified, and i actually kind of agree with it.

    like most of everyone else is saying, i only support it for people like this guy who are really suffering and feel like a burden to other people. too many people take their own lives on a whim when things could have easily been better for them.

  52. Profile photo of pmarren
    pmarren Male 40-49
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    December 11, 2008 at 10:12 am
    Ooh, touchy crowd today. No ice cream for amaqdrinker and staberind.
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    woomanfoo Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 10:12 am
    It seems Pmarren has made a trip back to the seventh grade.
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    VikingGuy Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 10:13 am
    as i said, its how it would work within my circle, how it works outside of it doesnt interest me much, unlike others we dont try to get involved in matters that dont concern us.
    thats all i have to say to the matter, carry on.
  55. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 10:13 am
    actually i think i understand you pmarren.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 10:13 am
    As long as there is a maintained "duty of care" in the NHS, I`m fine with it.

    Look at it this way, simply put, the NHS should treat you as a good friend would, not the way a lawyer would.

    If your friend came to you and said: I want to kill myself.

    Lawyer: You have the right to do so. I shall make an appointment for you tomorrow and help you cleave through protesters. That`ll be $400 please.

    Friend: Why? Can I help? Are you really suffering? How are you suffering?

    Followed later by: Ok. I see the problem is not going to go away. I`m sorry I couldn`t help any other way. I can see you`re suffering and will help end it if that`s what you want.


    I think what a lot of moderate Euthanasia opponents (and myself) are worried about is that legalizing it will lead to the lawyer situation, which we find cold, inhuman, and unacceptable.

    Otherwise though, I`m in favour.

  57. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 10:14 am
    my bad, interesting concept though. i`m out though folks. just think about the fact that to die is to admit a loss of control, or perhaps a surrender of our free will, suicide is the opposite of this. peace and God bless.
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    Dakkar Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 10:15 am
    Supporting eugenics makes you pretty damn close to Hitler pmarren.

    In your eyes, there are "idiots" that have no right to live in the U.S. or in this world. Whether they be drains on the economy, morally bankrupt, or otherwise. Hitler felt the same thing about Jews, Catholics, Gypsies, and other "undesirables". These groups were preventing the creation of a master race, a better world! So what did Hitler do? As you put it so eloquently, he thinned out the heard to help progress natural selection.

    Truly wonderful to see that people refuse to learn from history. There are now three truths in life. Death, taxes, and humanity doomed to repeat history.

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    woomanfoo Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 10:16 am
    LOL at Pmarren.

    "You cannot grasp my purpose...My writing was WAY over your head...snark snark snark snark."

    His profile: "Mild mannered engineer who isn`t into himself..."

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    leesah Female 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 10:18 am
    I think it should be legal everywhere. It`s terrible having to watch someone who clearly wants to die suffer. My grandma had cancer and she wasn`t given very long to live, but the time she did have left, all she could do was lay in a bed. She couldn`t even hardly speak and she was in constant pain that they couldn`t give her medication for. Why shouldn`t she have the right to end her life and her suffering then instead of six months later?
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    yo-i-am-luke Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 10:21 am
    I remmber this in the news months ago, it was a very sad story but in the end I stand by him and his perants choice.

    Also a profitable but can be seen as evil view... alot of hospitals are low on beds because of terminal people unable to leave the hospital ever again. I have a feeling a majoritty of them will take legal suicide and it will make beds avalible.

    Just so you know i am not a profit only thinking evil person (your boss), the extra beds will aid people who stand a chance of getting better...

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    wateva_x Female 13-17
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    December 11, 2008 at 10:26 am
    I think assisted suicide should be legal. I know for sure, if I had a terminal disease and could never leave the hospital I would choose to die. Perhaps the bed I occupied would help someone else, but if there was no help for me then why should I continue?
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    starrstreet Female 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 10:35 am
    I can`t give an opinion on this for myself, whether or not I would do this, since I still have not fully come to grasp that I will die someday. I know I will but... I just can`t explain it.
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    vandagirl Female 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 10:38 am
    I strongly agree with assisted suicide, mostly on the basis that my family had to deal with my mother`s suicide after years of auto-immune and neurological disease. If she had had the choice of assisted suicide, my family would have supported her -- instead, she overdosed on prescription medication and died slowly, painfully, and ended up lying there for about a week before she was found. And it really messed my dad and brothers up mentally. I wish that she had had another choice.
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    Poreka Female 13-17
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    December 11, 2008 at 10:56 am
    Well I don`t see anything wrong with euthanasia. If you have a close buddy or relative or partner who`s in severe pain and knows they`re gonna die anyway, why not let them rest in peace and pull the plug rather than let them die in agony? It`s also a way to show you care for them and love them before they go, so they could probably leave with a smile on their face. And if they`re in too much pain to smile, I`m sure they`d feel in some way happy that there`s no more pain to go through.
  66. Profile photo of Dr4k
    Dr4k Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 10:58 am
    Its your life its your choice.
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    kairobert Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 10:58 am
    I believe that it is morals inspired by Christianity that makes people oppose this.
    Christian morals are wrong.
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    Poreka Female 13-17
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    December 11, 2008 at 10:58 am
    "Wrong. You cannot grasp my purpose. Quit trying to figure it out and you`ll get better sleep tonight, I promise."

    lolwhut
    I`m sorry but that just made me laugh.

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    SoxXxhXcxSeX Female 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 11:02 am
    i dont agree i disagree no one should die
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    December 11, 2008 at 11:04 am
    I just don`t see what`s so "wrong" with it. If it is more of a burden on yourself and your entire family, plus you aren`t leaving huge responsibilities behind and your family agrees with it... then WHAT THE HELL IS THE BIG DEAL?
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    shaboinkin Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 11:09 am
    "Christian morals are wrong."

    lmao

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    chris1337 Male 13-17
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    December 11, 2008 at 11:19 am
    poor guy :(, its his life, they should let him choose.
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    skypirate Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 11:25 am
    free will is free will...we really can`t stop people from offing them self`s, why not make it painless and clean?
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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 11:31 am
    do you all feel that the only purpose in living is to be healthy and happy all the time?
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    akijade Female 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 11:31 am
    We have this in Oregon. I really don`t see anything wrong with it. I mean, if you have a fatal, incurable disease, and you`re going to die either way, why choose the way that will lead to more suffering for both you and your loved ones?

    And people who are against it, are you also against euthanizing sick animals? I`m not talking animals that could be 100% cured by medicine, but old, sick, dying animals that are suffering and have no chance of being well again.

    I find it strange that we have no qualms about killing a horse with a broken leg, but a man like this has to fight to be allowed a dignified death.

    /soapbox

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    SwissNipsUK Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 11:37 am
    Well put it this way , if you had a dog that was going through that you`d put it down , no questions asked , im sure it`s a tough decision but it`s the families decision and |I beleive that should be final
  77. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 11:40 am
    i`m horrified at how quickly you equate a dog and a man, i don`t even know why i get involved in these debates, they just depress me.
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    starrstreet Female 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 11:45 am
    amaqdrinker you`re depressing me by wanting to deny people relief of pain and suffereing that is going to end in death no matter what.
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    Crucible Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 11:47 am
    Humans are animals too. If we were still living in the wilderness, that man would have died as soon as he couldn`t use his legs. We are only smarter, we`re no better than any other living creature.
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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 11:52 am
    Oh I see, amaq is depressed, but now Starr is depressed BY Amaq... so she`s winning?

    I think I`m getting the hang of this internet debate thing.

    You have to say he has a point:
    "We kill a horse with a broken leg..."
    If you`re drawing that comparison, are you seriously suggesting we kill people who have broken legs?
    No? Then you *know* human beings are different.
    Yes? Then you`re fundamentally flawed.

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    SwissNipsUK Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 11:55 am
    Look , his life doesn`t have meaning anymore as horrible as it is to say , he wants this and his family agree , he pulled the plug himself using his mouth , so theres no point debating , he is dead . End of.
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    LadyMorgue Female 30-39
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    December 11, 2008 at 11:55 am
    Johnny Got His Gun should be required viewing. Sometimes you just pray for death.
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    starrstreet Female 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 11:58 am
    Baalthazaq I have no idea what you were trying to do there...
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    yellowsquare Female 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 12:18 pm
    I haven`t read all the comments, and perhaps this point has already been made, but:

    Isn`t it kind of a doorway to a slippery slope?
    For example, couldn`t the murderous wife eventually get away scott free because she poisoned his cornflakes to "assist her depressed husband with suicide"?

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    Dakkar Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 12:32 pm
    I`m truly apathetic on the topic, I don`t care either way.

    I think a big problem is that there can be a lot of gray area. For instance, someone is told they have cancer and there is 99% chance it won`t go into remission, but the person has 2 years to live. Should this person be allowed to commit assisted suicide the next week to avoid future pain and suffering? Who can decide for mentally unstable persons? Its not as easy as sticking a needle in an arm.

    Also, what if there is a misdiagnoses? What if the doctors agree to an assisted suicide, but it turns out some files got misplaced or mixed together? That has and will happen often in hospitals. Can the family sue the doctors? I would expect malpractice insurance to go up a bit if this is legalized.

    So that`s my theory on why this isn`t legalized. Because, as of right now, its a lot easier to deal with terminally ill patients than worrying about all the above what-ifs.

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    mag3ing1 Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 12:34 pm
    Death sucks.
    I don`t fear it, but i dread it.

    Atleast that man is in a good place, and the people who love him, want the best for him. :D
    That`s how i want to die.

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    Dakkar Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 12:34 pm
    Also, on a complete tangent. Mods and fancy (if you see this), is it possible to set up an edit post button? The current mechanism of copy, delete, paste, edit, is a little convoluted. Just a question...:-)
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    crickster Female 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 1:01 pm
    Yellowsquare: I`m pretty sure it will only be legal in clinics.
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    McDuff73 Male 30-39
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    December 11, 2008 at 1:05 pm
    yes absolutely people should have a right to die in their own way and as long as it is monitored properly so that it cant be abused by `murderous` spouses.
    There may well be mistakes sometimes thats inevitable but for the majority of people choosing to end their life will be without the worry of a spouse being prosecuted for assisting.
    And all those religous nuts can just feck off they have no business in this debate their religion is their religion no one else`s! if they choose not to do this then thats their choice and I wont try to prevent them from making that choice the same way they shouldnt prevent others from making the choice!
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    Dylan5121 Male 13-17
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    December 11, 2008 at 1:07 pm
    That is sad...
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    McDuff73 Male 30-39
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    December 11, 2008 at 1:09 pm
    Why is it sad hes dead hes out of pain did you not watch it its a good thing he doesnt hurt hes not suffering and his wife doesnt have to see him suffer its a good thing!
  92. Profile photo of Orkray
    Orkray Male 13-17
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    December 11, 2008 at 1:09 pm
    I agree yellowsquare. Good points by Dakkar also.

    Also, there`s the argument that older people will feel pressured into doing so, as to not be a burden.

    "If you wan`t to die, there`s nothing that can stop you." There is... the law, if it didn`t stop people, it wouldn`t much of an issue. Make it legal, these deaths would rise above tenfold... especially over time

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    bliblablob Female 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 1:17 pm
    That would be the weirdest thing to know that you are going to die very soon.
    Taking a drink of that and then knowing you will be gone in 30 mins.
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    almightybob1 Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 1:27 pm
    "Isn`t it kind of a doorway to a slippery slope?
    For example, couldn`t the murderous wife eventually get away scott free because she poisoned his cornflakes to "assist her depressed husband with suicide"?"


    I would certainly hope not yellow. I agree that assisted suicide should be permitted, but there has to be EXTREMELY strict legislation. If it were me, I would include the following rules:

    Repeated statement of intent from the person in question (I do not think any substitute should be allowed for this, only the person themselves should be able to grant consent).
    The final act should be carried out by the patient if they are physically capable (like this poisoning).
    It should only take place in clinics under the strictest supervision by trained professionals - a home effort by a loved one should still be considered murder.

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    Imjesus Male 13-17
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    December 11, 2008 at 1:32 pm
    Stopping a person who wants to die from doing so is unethical. I don`t see any question about it.
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    djmofo117 Male 13-17
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    December 11, 2008 at 1:47 pm
    Reminds me of that south park episode where stans grandpa wanted stan to kill him. In the end we learned that it was wrong for stan to kill his grandfather. So there end of discussion if south park says its wrong then its wrong.... cause we all know how f`d up south park is. If a show like that thinks its morally wrong then im sure it is. Btw dying like this is not a dignified way to die, you pussied your way out instead of biting the bullet.....you as well as your family should be ashamed for allowing you or anyone else to go through with this.
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    December 11, 2008 at 1:52 pm
    vv "Also, on a complete tangent. Mods and fancy (if you see this), is it possible to set up an edit post button? The current mechanism of copy, delete, paste, edit, is a little convoluted."

    No plans for it Dakkar, as far as I know. Part of the problem is that heated debates such as this could get a little messy if everyone can go back and edit their posts in circumspect. Call the current system an `audit trail`, a bit convoluted as it is...

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    EmoGangster Male 13-17
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    December 11, 2008 at 2:13 pm
    I want to die like that.
    Just the fact that I`d be in control of my death is peaceful.
    I want to go when I`m ready, not when nature is.
  99. Profile photo of Dakkar
    Dakkar Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 2:37 pm
    Thanks Davy, and I see the problem now.

    Guess I`ll just have to deal with an extra 10 second process for the time being, lol.

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    fxckingbored Male 13-17
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    December 11, 2008 at 2:43 pm
    should she have kissed him after he drank that?
  101. Profile photo of simim23
    simim23 Female 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 2:56 pm
    "Reminds me of that south park episode where stans grandpa wanted stan to kill him. In the end we learned that it was wrong for stan to kill his grandfather. So there end of discussion if south park says its wrong then its wrong.... cause we all know how f`d up south park is. If a show like that thinks its morally wrong then im sure it is. Btw dying like this is not a dignified way to die, you pussied your way out instead of biting the bullet.....you as well as your family should be ashamed for allowing you or anyone else to go through with this."

    You pussied your way into this world, why not out of it?

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    k8giggles Female 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 3:03 pm
    I guess what I want to know is, what rationale would a proponent of assisted suicide give for why a person who is healthy, albeit severely depressed, couldn`t opt for assisted-sucide? After all, in the grand scheme of things, we are all `terminal`; each of us will die. And if this person feels as though they are a burden to society, that they are a strain on their family, why couldn`t they choose to end their life on their own terms?

    Or what about someone with a long term degenerative disease like MS or Huntington`s? At what point are they `close enough` to dying that they can choose to die?

    Without being to crass about the whole subject, it just sort of feels as though people are just deciding to skip to the end without reading the novel.

  103. Profile photo of Nidonemo
    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 3:04 pm
    fxckingbored: I`m sure if she got any in her system, a kiss would be like a toothpick amount.
  104. Profile photo of caboose117
    caboose117 Male 13-17
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    December 11, 2008 at 3:15 pm
    suicide is not a dignified death. many more have died many more tragic deaths for many more worthy causes.

    where does the line end? how long until we end up like Japan, where suicide is completely legal? they can even collect insurance on suicide apparently...

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    dragonshadoz Female 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 3:18 pm
    "Need not have gone through this."
    Yeah, he could have, instead, gone through more suffering and guilt on "burdening" his family. Yay.
    Who are we to say who should stay alive, just because WE think it`s wrong? It`s their life. They should have the right to pull the plug.
  106. Profile photo of Monsdurr
    Monsdurr Male 13-17
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    December 11, 2008 at 3:33 pm
    Assisted suicide should be legal for those with and incurable disease.
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    Llamaz Male 13-17
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    December 11, 2008 at 3:36 pm
    If they have no bread, let them eat cake.
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    opiebreath Female 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 3:38 pm
    I don`t think that it`s right or fair at ALL that a person shouldn`t be able to choose when they die, but the consequences of such a law would be massive. Where do we draw the line? Malpractice would become an even bigger issue than it is now.

    I`m... torn on the issue.

  109. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 3:46 pm
    it`s impossible for me to debate this issue without looking at it from a spiritual perspective. it`s a question of what life is worth, whether you are happy, or depressed, or healthy, or sick, or alone. life has worth in and of itself.
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    kokuryuha Female 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 4:03 pm
    I think assisted suicide should be a right for a human to have, regardless of reigious beliefs or anything like that. Whether they choose to do an assisted suicide or not, it should still be an open option. It may seem cruel, but so is watching the one you love suffer longer than necessary.
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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 4:13 pm
    think about people in war torn nations that have to struggle every day just to stay alive, are we really so arrogant that we wish to be rid of life as if it were some kind of burden?
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    DHise Male 13-17
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    December 11, 2008 at 4:18 pm
    "I think assisted suicide should be a right for a human to have, regardless of reigious beliefs or anything like that."

    Quoted for truth. This video was still hard to watch though.

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    Standards Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 4:57 pm
    I don`t think the terminal disease doctor understood why people chose assisted suicide. He said that it a natural death shouldn`t be feared, but Craig Ewert chose death because he didn`t want suffering on him or his family any more.
    Other than that, I agree with the rest. Should be legal, video is sad.
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    moefreak Female 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 5:01 pm
    This actually made me cry... so horribly sad. But I agree that in cases of terminal illness where death is inevitable and particularly when it`s full of suffering and pain, I think it should be a persons right to die in peace and with dignity. However, I don`t know who`s qualified to make the decisions on this, probably no one. I know I couldn`t.
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    moefreak Female 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 5:02 pm
    And amaq... this man dying some months later, in much more pain, is not going to help people in war torn nations. Suffering is relative.
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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 5:14 pm
    i disagree moefreak, but like i said, this is a spiritual issue for me and my arguments would hold no water on this site. its about your soul and what a life is worth.
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    moefreak Female 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 5:23 pm
    I can`t look at it from a spiritual point of view because those aren`t my beliefs, but I respect yours.
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    FloridaSnow Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 5:23 pm
    drat that, you can get heroin prescribed to you if you`re terminally ill in the U.K...alot better.
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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 5:35 pm
    likewise moefreak
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    lucehLOW Female 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 6:36 pm
    to be honest amaq

    if i was in an excrutiating amount of pain that was oly going to get worse

    i wouldn`t think my life was much that much

    what difference would cutting it that little bit shorter make?

    and if you`re going christian on me, god is supposedly omniscient (all-knowing) he knew i`d kill myself, anyway

    and, he gave me that pain

    xlucyx

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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 6:44 pm
    i`m not debating on this thread lucy, if you don`t believe in God then my reasons for opposing assisted suicides will not seem valid. and "going christian on me"? why is it only christians that people assume are close minded?
  122. Profile photo of CinematicD
    CinematicD Female 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 7:02 pm
    I respect his choice
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    skipidydooda Male 13-17
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    December 11, 2008 at 7:31 pm
    a little morose but ok
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    shinboi Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 7:37 pm
    very sad :[
    but still his choice is remarkable
    i don`t blame him one bit, I would have made the same choice. I think it`s our choice to die how we please. Especially people with in-curable disease, where the only outcome is death, we should be allowed to go with grace and dignity. When I die, I want to go without suffering.

    /endthought

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    britt566 Female 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 7:37 pm
    If a person is going to kill theirself and it`s not legal... there isn`t much people can do... what are they ganna do? Take em to jail?
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    fatex52986 Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 8:41 pm
    f*ck man if someone wants to die let them...If youve ever seen a loved one in pain and you feel helpless cause you cant do anything i think then it should be allowed. or if you`re EMO let them commit suicide too
  127. Profile photo of d_katman
    d_katman Male 13-17
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    December 11, 2008 at 9:46 pm
    "or if you`re EMO let them commit suicide too"

    let them hurt themselves. nothing beyond repair.
    it`s something that people go through. not everyone but a lot of people. most emerge stronger from it.

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    Barbarossa69 Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 9:52 pm
    Uhh... brit... its for ASSISTED suicide... *smacks forehead >.<
  129. Profile photo of adilicious
    adilicious Female 13-17
    377 posts
    December 11, 2008 at 10:52 pm
    This is one of those arguments you can never settle.
    It`s like the chicken or the egg.

    My personal opinion: assisted suicide SHOULD be legal, but not an easy option.

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    Negative_One Male 30-39
    2583 posts
    December 11, 2008 at 11:38 pm
    I think all assisted suicide should be legal, in fact I think you all should kill yourselves with my help.
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    jimbobsthebe Male 18-29
    639 posts
    December 12, 2008 at 1:38 am
    The problem lies with it being such an emotive debate. If you get right to the point then people should be able seek assisted suicide if they`re that desperate. It should have a fairly heavy waiting period though.
  132. Profile photo of Mani-Jac
    Mani-Jac Male 40-49
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    December 12, 2008 at 1:49 am
    I think it is a fundamental right of every human to have the choice when and how to end you`re life.

    Assisted suicide should, imho, only be for terminal persons with degenerative diseases.

    If someone can`t bear the fact, e.g. having to live for X years in intolerable pain, but he hasn`t got the means to end his life, he should have the right to be assisted in ending his life.

    This should be agreed upon by medical staff and the patient should be mentally fit.

    This shouldn`t apply to people in a coma or alzheimer etc, where family members would have to decide for him. (inheritance issues, etc).

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    Alishea Female 18-29
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    December 12, 2008 at 7:37 am
    I feel just horrible for his poor wife. I can`t imagine how hard that would be to know that in a couple days you will leave with him to go to a different country and come back alone.

    What a brave lady.

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    Baelzar Male 40-49
    1399 posts
    December 12, 2008 at 10:24 am
    Of course it should be legal.

    People who disagree...have you ever had someone in that situation? Terminal disease...constant pain twisting their personality...knowing they`re going to die, but they are forced to stay for OUR selfishness.

    You might change your tune when your parent no longer recognizes you and is a hollow shell of a person, when you could have ended their suffering when they asked you to.

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    bezdancing Male 18-29
    35 posts
    December 12, 2008 at 12:55 pm
    I nearly got kicked off of a nursing course for arguing a case for assisted suicide. The strange thing is in Britain it has been legal to (or more correctly to attempt to) commit suicide since 1961. However Article 2 states that "A person who aids, abets, counsels or procures the suicide of another, or attempt by another to commit suicide shall be liable on conviction on indictment to imprisonment for a term not exceeding fourteen years". Section 2 was placed there to protect vulnerable adults, those who could be persuaded, coerced or manipulated into suicide. It was also to prevent defendants claiming a get out of jail free card. "no your honour I didn`t shoot him, I just helped him to commit suicide"! Unfortunately this has affected those who have the legal right to kill themselves but can not owing to reduced mobility. I only hope that this oversight is corrected asap, so people can die at home with their families and not in a foreign country sounded by strangers
  136. Profile photo of RedBrother
    RedBrother Male 18-29
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    December 12, 2008 at 8:30 pm
    of course it haz to be legalized. uvvas u iz just bein ignorant to reality. i trust the yanks and the zelots are in uproar? religion kills
  137. Profile photo of samidoll
    samidoll Female 18-29
    615 posts
    December 12, 2008 at 11:26 pm
    i agree alishea. it would take all my strength to have my smile, not tears, be the last thing he saw.
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    rony_nsu031 Male 18-29
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    December 13, 2008 at 9:47 am
    I am completely shocked not only watching the video also reading the comments. I know the comments are just the result of emotional outburst but we have to accept the reality also which we do not like to.

    Here we are voting for assisting suicide just because we do not have the endurance of experiencing a physical paralysis. We do not like to bear a person’s everyday’s suffering which is actually visible and we are supporting it. But most of suicides are being occurred when people are mentally paralyzed. The mental depression is not the same as motor neuron disease which is possible to easily visualize and assessing the aftereffects.

    I know this is really difficult when your parents will barely recognize you. And we have to acknowledge that this is the challenge we are living for. We want to gift them the death only when god wishes to not when they or we wish to.

    I have the complete condolences for the family who suffered their lost from Assisted Suicide.

  139. Profile photo of McDuff73
    McDuff73 Male 30-39
    870 posts
    December 13, 2008 at 5:11 pm
    Emotional outburst has nothing to do with this and neither has GOD its about making an informed choice and not being prosecuted for it.
    I am very active and if I were to be paralyzed from the neck down I would rather be dead as I am unable to be active and I also dont want to burden my family, but mostly I want the choice.
  140. Profile photo of Andyl
    Andyl Male 18-29
    300 posts
    December 13, 2008 at 7:28 pm
    First off, suicide is legal. However in the case of disabled people, where clearly they wouldn`t have the ability to commit suicide, there is a bit of a problem. That`s where this video comes in.
    Now remember that this is assisted suicide (not euthanasia, there IS a difference) and all the legal stuff they have to go through. This is not a simple suicide booth. This is helping individuals stop the suffering before it becomes too great.

    Now onto amaq...you can`t apply "spiritual morals" to this situation for good reasons. For example, these people won`t share these "spiritual views" and that`s why we don`t base laws on such religious grounds. God has no say in these matters.

    I also don`t like how people are juxtaposing poverty and war with this. The situations are COMPLETELY different. They too are problems we have that we are trying to tackle because there is an alternative; there is no alternative to an eventual painful death because of a degenarative diseas

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    Andyl Male 18-29
    300 posts
    December 13, 2008 at 7:45 pm
    I just took a quick look through some previous comments and besides Mr. Eugenics, only what amaq said jumped out at me again. Every comment of his is filled with "I this..." and "I that...". Assisted suicide is the decision of someone else in a completely different situation, and I`d imagine that anyone wishing to attempt suicide (in cases like these) has talked about it with their loved ones and they have also given consent. Sure, normal suicide may be a sad thing and we shouldn`t allow people to commit suicide willy nilly, but that`s not the topic here.

    Oh and suicide is most definitely NOT punishable by law.

    One last question for amaq. Are you pro-life or pro-choice? I would guess the former.

  142. Profile photo of handeman77
    handeman77 Male 40-49
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    December 13, 2008 at 11:24 pm
    kill em all
  143. Profile photo of scottyFTW
    scottyFTW Male 13-17
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    December 14, 2008 at 3:21 pm
    that was depressing.
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    Vagrant86 Male 18-29
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    December 18, 2008 at 10:16 pm
    no humans = problem solved
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    Alexy_Walexy Male 18-29
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    January 6, 2009 at 12:08 pm
    I;m all for euthinasia. People have the right to their own lives.
    And I agree that it should be allowed when people get alzheimers and such.

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