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Oh and suicide is most definitely NOT punishable by law.
One last question for amaq. Are you pro-life or pro-choice? I would guess the former.
Now onto amaq...you can`t apply "spiritual morals" to this situation for good reasons. For example, these people won`t share these "spiritual views" and that`s why we don`t base laws on such religious grounds. God has no say in these matters.
I also don`t like how people are juxtaposing poverty and war with this. The situations are COMPLETELY different. They too are problems we have that we are trying to tackle because there is an alternative; there is no alternative to an eventual painful death because of a degenarative diseas
Here we are voting for assisting suicide just because we do not have the endurance of experiencing a physical paralysis. We do not like to bear a person’s everyday’s suffering which is actually visible and we are supporting it. But most of suicides are being occurred when people are mentally paralyzed. The mental depression is not the same as motor neuron disease which is possible to easily visualize and assessing the aftereffects. I know this is really difficult when your parents will barely recognize you. And we have to acknowledge that this is the challenge we are living for. We want to gift them the death only when god wishes to not when they or we wish to.
I have the complete condolences for the family who suffered their lost from Assisted Suicide.
People who disagree...have you ever had someone in that situation? Terminal disease...constant pain twisting their personality...knowing they`re going to die, but they are forced to stay for OUR selfishness.
You might change your tune when your parent no longer recognizes you and is a hollow shell of a person, when you could have ended their suffering when they asked you to.
What a brave lady.
My personal opinion: assisted suicide SHOULD be legal, but not an easy option.
let them hurt themselves. nothing beyond repair.it`s something that people go through. not everyone but a lot of people. most emerge stronger from it.
if i was in an excrutiating amount of pain that was oly going to get worse
i wouldn`t think my life was much that much
what difference would cutting it that little bit shorter make?
and if you`re going christian on me, god is supposedly omniscient (all-knowing) he knew i`d kill myself, anyway
and, he gave me that pain
Quoted for truth. This video was still hard to watch though.
I`m... torn on the issue.
where does the line end? how long until we end up like Japan, where suicide is completely legal? they can even collect insurance on suicide apparently...
Or what about someone with a long term degenerative disease like MS or Huntington`s? At what point are they `close enough` to dying that they can choose to die?
Without being to crass about the whole subject, it just sort of feels as though people are just deciding to skip to the end without reading the novel.
You pussied your way into this world, why not out of it?
Guess I`ll just have to deal with an extra 10 second process for the time being, lol.
No plans for it Dakkar, as far as I know. Part of the problem is that heated debates such as this could get a little messy if everyone can go back and edit their posts in circumspect. Call the current system an `audit trail`, a bit convoluted as it is...
I would certainly hope not yellow. I agree that assisted suicide should be permitted, but there has to be EXTREMELY strict legislation. If it were me, I would include the following rules:
Repeated statement of intent from the person in question (I do not think any substitute should be allowed for this, only the person themselves should be able to grant consent). The final act should be carried out by the patient if they are physically capable (like this poisoning). It should only take place in clinics under the strictest supervision by trained professionals - a home effort by a loved one should still be considered murder.
Also, there`s the argument that older people will feel pressured into doing so, as to not be a burden.
"If you wan`t to die, there`s nothing that can stop you." There is... the law, if it didn`t stop people, it wouldn`t much of an issue. Make it legal, these deaths would rise above tenfold... especially over time
Atleast that man is in a good place, and the people who love him, want the best for him. :DThat`s how i want to die.
I think a big problem is that there can be a lot of gray area. For instance, someone is told they have cancer and there is 99% chance it won`t go into remission, but the person has 2 years to live. Should this person be allowed to commit assisted suicide the next week to avoid future pain and suffering? Who can decide for mentally unstable persons? Its not as easy as sticking a needle in an arm.
Also, what if there is a misdiagnoses? What if the doctors agree to an assisted suicide, but it turns out some files got misplaced or mixed together? That has and will happen often in hospitals. Can the family sue the doctors? I would expect malpractice insurance to go up a bit if this is legalized.
So that`s my theory on why this isn`t legalized. Because, as of right now, its a lot easier to deal with terminally ill patients than worrying about all the above what-ifs.
Isn`t it kind of a doorway to a slippery slope? For example, couldn`t the murderous wife eventually get away scott free because she poisoned his cornflakes to "assist her depressed husband with suicide"?
I think I`m getting the hang of this internet debate thing.
You have to say he has a point: "We kill a horse with a broken leg..."If you`re drawing that comparison, are you seriously suggesting we kill people who have broken legs? No? Then you *know* human beings are different.Yes? Then you`re fundamentally flawed.
And people who are against it, are you also against euthanizing sick animals? I`m not talking animals that could be 100% cured by medicine, but old, sick, dying animals that are suffering and have no chance of being well again.
I find it strange that we have no qualms about killing a horse with a broken leg, but a man like this has to fight to be allowed a dignified death.
lolwhutI`m sorry but that just made me laugh.
Also a profitable but can be seen as evil view... alot of hospitals are low on beds because of terminal people unable to leave the hospital ever again. I have a feeling a majoritty of them will take legal suicide and it will make beds avalible.
Just so you know i am not a profit only thinking evil person (your boss), the extra beds will aid people who stand a chance of getting better...
"You cannot grasp my purpose...My writing was WAY over your head...snark snark snark snark."
His profile: "Mild mannered engineer who isn`t into himself..."
In your eyes, there are "idiots" that have no right to live in the U.S. or in this world. Whether they be drains on the economy, morally bankrupt, or otherwise. Hitler felt the same thing about Jews, Catholics, Gypsies, and other "undesirables". These groups were preventing the creation of a master race, a better world! So what did Hitler do? As you put it so eloquently, he thinned out the heard to help progress natural selection.
Truly wonderful to see that people refuse to learn from history. There are now three truths in life. Death, taxes, and humanity doomed to repeat history.
Look at it this way, simply put, the NHS should treat you as a good friend would, not the way a lawyer would.
If your friend came to you and said: I want to kill myself.
Lawyer: You have the right to do so. I shall make an appointment for you tomorrow and help you cleave through protesters. That`ll be $400 please.
Friend: Why? Can I help? Are you really suffering? How are you suffering?
Followed later by: Ok. I see the problem is not going to go away. I`m sorry I couldn`t help any other way. I can see you`re suffering and will help end it if that`s what you want.
I think what a lot of moderate Euthanasia opponents (and myself) are worried about is that legalizing it will lead to the lawyer situation, which we find cold, inhuman, and unacceptable.
Otherwise though, I`m in favour.
like most of everyone else is saying, i only support it for people like this guy who are really suffering and feel like a burden to other people. too many people take their own lives on a whim when things could have easily been better for them.
I`m glad someone else noticed that...Dude is saying they don`t even deserve marked graves because he disagrees with them, but WE should definitely respect HIS beliefs. Makes total sense.
i`ll never get the fact that men should be able to decide which innocent people are worthy to live and which deserve to die? thank God.
That said: these things need to be on a case by case review.
please tell me you`re just trolling.
That`s why I believe that as long as it`s maintained properly (not allowing doctor death`s etc) that it should be legal. However I do still believe that suicide in general should be discouraged and help given to those who believe it`s the only option for them. Help those who think about committing suicide because they are depressed, mentally ill and those who have stress worries such as money or exam pressue (it may seem fickle to kill yourself because of a test but I have a friend who did so.) Help them find another option. But in cases like this....there isn`t another option. As the guy on the video said. It`s die now or suffer and die later.
amaqdrinker: because a suicide should be nothing but a last resort. Some damn emo kid crying over how unfair the world is should get help (not help with killing him/her self ofc), while a person like the man in this clip who actually has no way out other than death, should be granted a dignified death if he so chooses.
Exactly, Amaq. Any rational person who is not clouded by conservative religious views can see that this is the right, noble, kind and loving thing to offer in the appropriate circumstances. In the 21st century, the only reasons for opposing a reasonable request for assisted suicide, much like the only reasons for opposing homosexuality, are caught up in bronze-age religious dogma and have no place in how we run a modern society.
In my humble opinion, of course.
"Nothing to fear of a natural death"?Dude, he`s SUFFERING!
If the person is terminally ill, there is absolutely no way to save them, they are in pain and suffering to an extent where death would be a release from it all, then yes. Help them sleep. By forcing them to live through that horror you`re being extremely cruel.
Like that French woman said before she found someway out, "You wouldn`t let an animal suffer like this, why would you let a human?"
If the patient is able to express their wish to die, perhaps with official witnesses, or recorded onto video, or expresses a wish along those lines in a will or similar legal document, to die if they reach a certain level of suffering and are incapable of expressing their wish, then yes, I think it is a perfectly-acceptable thing to do.
I know why people are worried; they`re scared of Doctor Death, another Harold Shipman, who`ll kill them and claim it was assisted suicide afterwards. But as long as there are rigorous requirements for proof of consent, then I see no problem.