Love For All

Submitted by: Grizzzzzzzzz 8 years ago in

Accepted marriage standards of the future?
There are 185 comments:
Male 123
I love how "liberal" and "conservative" have become insults over the years.

You know, there was a time when being left-handed was called "wrong".
I`ll just say, preaching love and hating a certain variation of love, even though one does not even need to be concerned with it, that`s hypocrisy.
However - to the thinking man, hypocrisy has always been a blazing medal of religion.

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Female 6
Animals expressing homosexual tendencies proves that it is a natural urge. To go against what you naturally desire just because someone else told you "it`s wrong" to me is "stoopid".
It`s especially interesting when a conservative politician or religious figure gets busted for "losing their humanity and acting like an animal".
Stoopid conservatives.
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Female 381
I support gays 100%. Its all about love, f*ck the bible. I hate when Christians come up to me and say "OMG because youre not straight, you`re going to hell!!" Guess what muthadrataz, i dont believe in hell :P

And besides, if "god" didn`t intend us to be gay, why did he make us gay?

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Male 3,631
EWWWWWWW!!!
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Male 70
"Well, animals show homosexual tendancies, so it makes perfect sense to sink to their level! Lets lose our humanity and act like animals!"

Stoopid liberals.

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Male 2,553
what ever happened to separation of church and state? civil unions sure will all the rights and privilege`s but this doesn`t mean churches must break their own beliefs for 2 random ppl who just want to whore attention and make noise.
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Male 2,850
@caboose117

Love isn`t all about sexuality, but sexuality is (often) a part of love.

Especially when you are being denied the right to express your love because of that sexuality, as far too many people are. Let me make this clear; it is not gay people who made sexuality an issue. It`s everyone who denies them (I should say "us" really, but I`m lucky, and grateful, to be living somewhere where my sexuality isn`t used against me) equality with straight people who have done that.

Gay people are left with no choice but to fight their corner. And for that they are accused of "rubbing their sexuality in people`s faces". Hardly fair.

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Female 9
i was expecting a marriage with a horse or something
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Male 1,204
Why is love all about sexuality? Is that all it`s about these days?
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Female 779
Awe, what a cute commercial. :D
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Male 31
@Aciliveth
Me too. I guess we were wrong. I guess that`s what happens when you are so used to sarcasm.
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Male 285
I honestly thought this was going to be a gay-bashing commercial. Like, for example, it starts with a homosexual couple, then a man marrying a dog, then a woman marrying a cow or something. And THEN the message popping up "love for all", thus saying gay marriage would start beastality. I`m glad I was wrong. I`m in total favour of gay marriage.
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Male 596
Love, Use the word love as a physical would be in terms of Man, the Love through the bible is felt throughout the world and is spiritual. But if you deny your human wants is to deny your humanity itself. Shock and Awe
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Female 94
i support the gay community whole heartedly :)
EVERYONE deserves to be happy and no on should be judged by who they love.
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Female 94
i whole-heartedly support the gay community :)
everyone deserves to be happy and no one should be judged just because they love someone of the same sex. that`s their business, not yours. it`s not like if they get married something drastic will happen to you.
i support love :)
<3
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Male 2,850
@DuckBoy87

Are you then suggesting that infertile straight couples and straight couples who do not want to have children should not be allowed to marry?

To sum it all up:

1: There is plenty of documented evidence of homosexual behavior in other species. You just don`t want to find it (and the simple fact that the one species you HAVE looked at DOES have homosexual behavior proves that it DOES appear in nature, doesn`t it hot shot?).

2: Having children isn`t a requirement for getting married, not in your country or in mine, so the idea that marriage exists for children to be raised is simply incorrect.

3: Marriage is nothing to do with religion in either of our countries. Proof: I am part of no religion in any way, shape or form, yet I can perfectly legally go and marry any woman I like (or have a civil partnership with any man I like), without the involvement of any church or religion whatsoever. You cannot then apply religious homophobic morality to marriage.

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Male 489
To those saying gay activities don`t occur in nature. Do your homework.
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Female 1,264
"Human seem to be the only species who have homosexual tendencies, then again I haven`t looked at any animals, besides the banana slug, that have sex with the same gender."

I`ve said this before and I`ll say it again. Pink Flamingo. Theres a reason its considered a symbol for homosexuality (hint: its not because its pink)

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Male 220
Hah this reminded me of the Queen Nathan II clip from the Onion Movie! lmao:P
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Female 1,496
Duckboy you are a flaming idiot. <-----See what I did there.

There are hundreds of species that practice bisexuality and homosexuality.

Although gay people don`t need your support. You`re too stupid to be of any use to the gay community.

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Male 2,245
"Well, in any case it certaintly doesn`t mean that we`re supposed to steralize government by hiding religion under the floorboards and pretending it doesn`t exist."

lets just say libertarians and american constitutionalists have a lot in common

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Male 3,643
Marriage is to form a family.
Family comes by having children.
Children come from have sex.

So when a man naturally (meaning no surgery, ie sex changes) gives birth, or when a woman can naturally (meaning no surgery, ie sex changes) spill her seed, only then will I support same sex marriage.

Human seem to be the only species who have homosexual tendencies, then again I haven`t looked at any animals, besides the banana slug, that have sex with the same gender.
If homosexuality isn`t natural, which it isn`t, then what is it?

And I hate the word homophobia, and the like. Homo means same, and phobia means fear of. Fear of the same? Makes as much sense as gay marriage.

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Male 265
Well, in any case it certaintly doesn`t mean that we`re supposed to steralize government by hiding religion under the floorboards and pretending it doesn`t exist.

So, you say that we should look to religion when reviewing current and future laws? This country was founded on religious freedom, mind you, which includes freedom FROM religion. If people want to live in a country where they do not want to be restricted by the laws of a certain religion, they are entitled by the constitution to do so. If you want to live in a country where your own relgion dictates what laws are passed, go start your own and get out of this one. You`re being incredibly selfish.

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Male 70
"establishment of religion" as a state religion.

Well, in any case it certaintly doesn`t mean that we`re supposed to steralize government by hiding religion under the floorboards and pretending it doesn`t exist.

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Male 2,245
"the concept of seperation of church and state ... simply means that the United States has no official religion."

really? cause that`s not what it sounds like to me

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."

-Thomas Jefferson

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Male 2,245
you writing a paper on morals gives you no authority on the matter. and your conclusion, "That Which Is Natural is Good, and Whatever is Unnatural is Bad", is poo. a lot of morality is primarily based on resisting your natural temptations. lust, aggression, pride; these are natural urges. love, compassion, selflessness; those are unnatural urges.
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Male 70
Let`s look at it empirically:
What has homosexuality contributed to the world?
Answer: AIDS

Facts are facts, and the fact stands that nothing good has come out of homosexuality.

"But they love each other!" the liberals cry.

Oh, nay, nay! If they "love" each other, why is the rate of domestic violence among the gay couples so high?

Also, you have grossly misconstrued the concept of seperation of church and state. It simply means that the United States has no official religion. Remember, our national motto is "In God We Trust."

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Male 265
(continued from previous post)


I discuss all of the following forms of "natural" and "unnatural"

I The Descriptive laws of Nature
2 The Artificial as a Form of the Unnatural
3 Anything Uncommon or Abnormal is Unnatural
4 Any Use of an Organ or an Instrument That Is Contrary to
Its Principal Purpose or Function Is Unnatural
5 That Which Is Natural is Good, and Whatever is Unnatural is Bad

..to all of which I give plenty of examples to show it`s normality and/or ambiguity in society. If you want, I can point you in the direction to a paper I have written on the subject.

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Male 265
Turtleboy - I found your question on morals very interesting.

What are your personal morals based on? Scripture? What is `natural` and `unnatural`? Your own personal beliefs or what is right and what is wrong?

Unfortunately for you, you can`t use any of the above to discredit gay marriage. The moment you use religion as the backbone of your argument about laws in a state not founded on any specific relgion, you become extremely insulting. Also, you can`t stop other people from doing something just because you wouldn`t do it yourself.

Finally, you most definitely can`t stop someone from doing something because it`s `unnatural.` The "unnaturalness" of homosexuality raises the question of the meaning of nature, natural, and similar terms. The word nature has a built-in ambiguity that can lead to serious misunderstandings.

(next post)

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Male 513

I love being Canadian. Where I`m free to marry whomever I wish.
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Male 397
morals never existed, turtledude.
I see where you`re coming from though, and i think you should go drown in a puddle.
Let people marry people.
Who cares what they are?
there used to be US laws that forbid blacks from marrying whites.
hehe
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Male 70
What the hell ever happened to morals?
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Female 283
And by scantily clad women, I mean wenches.
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Female 283
Pabasa, I`m getting married for the benefits. Less tax and I can actually have my husband and children on a reduced insurance plan.

Mostly for legal reasons, however.

After the super simple/cheap ceremony that serves this purpose, however, and once I make a little more money, I`m having a second (bigger) wedding on a ship, pirate themed for the rum, sea shanties, and many scantily clad women with their breasts up to their chins. :D THAT`S my kind of wedding <3

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Male 4,012
I think we`re getting too far off the mark here.

I`d just like to ask one core question: Why do we need to get married?

It is not a biological necessity. Nor is it a social need either. Cultural, yes.

So eh, why *do* people get married?

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Male 2,313
We got some mature ones here.
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Female 128
Awww. One day.
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Male 49
This clip is SO retarded. Disgusting. Ugh.
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Male 516
Emo, you could be viewed as spam if you keep that up. Once this video gets off front page, things`ll stop flowing in here, so just be patient.
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Male 362
And just inn case some of the flamers try to use "Republican" or "Christian Idiot" as ammo, I`m Libertarian and Atheist.
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Male 49
This video is disgusting.
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Male 362
be solely a moral matter, which it should have remained as. Putting politics and "rights" into everything just messes everything up.
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Male 516
"hey, its not very nice to call people inanimate objects, expecially bundles of sticks." - kenny_f

You have no idea how badly I want to smack you for that.

Also, regarding your "Everything is for sex" argument, human minds have gone past the point of obeying our instincts. We have enough brain and willpower to branch out. I mean hell, how does one take a gun to their head if instinct screams at us to survive? We can now bury Instinct`s head under the gravel and let it breathe dirt thanks to evolution....Or God... *Looks around* Yeaaah...God...

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Male 362
lilSunfloria:
That`s a different issue entirely. That covers the whole "educating the uneducable" debate, which I would discuss at another time.

floggerton:
That`s not even an argument; insults don`t qualify as counter-points.

thesandwich:
Why yes, I have read the book. And I won`t quiz your knowledge because I`m not out for arguments, I do debates. And gay marrige was never banned, it was simply never heard of or allowed until recent years, when specific laws were in place that defined marriage as a legal binding. THEN the whole conflict started. I personally believe that marriage in its current form is wrong, because the federal government has no business interfering with the loving (or unloving) unions of man and woman. That said, if marriage was left alone, there would be no issue because being gay is a sin in Christianity and therefore no loyal minister would perform the ceremony. And if so, I don`t give a crap, because politics wouldn`t be involved an

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Male 49
Fags. Don`t ever watch this again. Homosexuality is a defect, and do not conform. They`re not as "sweet" as these guys. They`re insecure and full of crap. It`s a mental abnormality just as someone who is addicted to porn. Protect YOUR dignity!
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Female 767
That video was awesome.
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Male 2,313
"No, only human`s who are capable of signing marriage contracts should be allowed to marry."

What if they don`t have hands?!? You`re so mean.

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Male 737
The long-winded responses here are so predictable, especially the hateful ones.

Imagine if people stopped paying attention to other people`s bedrooms... if two people could start a life together just because they loved each other, and believed in their ability to build a life together. That, my friends, would be paradise. Most of the people I know from "traditional" homes, like mine, come from "traditional" divorces. Enough bigotry already.

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Female 738
That was a horrible rendition of a Cyndi Lauper song.

That`s all.

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Female 1,264
Well, I tried. Sorry I-A-B, I`ve failed you.
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Male 150
Okay Victory7, did you even read Fahrenheit 451. I not only read it, but I acted as Captain Beatty in the play Ray Bradbury wrote. The current government of Fahrenheit 451 states that minorities destroyed the purpose of many things. But we fell to our knees for one another in tolerance. And then Captain Beatty gives a long list of books that are banned because it offended groups.

Now tell me, if Ray Bradbury painted a picture that banning things was bad. How does that justify banning gay marriage as good. And do feel free to test my knowledge of the book, I have the script sitting in front of me.

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Female 1,264
Attention God-Squad and Pro-gays. This video may have offended you. You may feel compelled to post a comment expressing your outrage by inserting or implying many of your own views or opinions. This may offend an opposing side of your opinion which may cause them to, in turn, post a comment expressing their outrage.
This series of events has been known to trigger a never ending paradox of catastrophic stupidity, known as a flame war. Flame wars have no end and therefore no result
I beg of you, for decency of the I-A-B threads, leave it be. Accept that others may oppose, and allow them the freedom of opinion.

Do the right thing. Dont start a flame war.

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Female 2
Victory7 is the biggest hypocrite I`ve ever seen. Why do liberals need to shove their viewpoints down everyone`s throat? Are you kidding me? You`re the one getting involved in other people`s business. If you`re so against gay marriage, then don`t have one. But get off your moral high-ground and stop telling everybody else how to live their lives. And now you`re saying minorities shouldn`t have rights. That`s just some messed up. Every American person should have equal rights, and I say person because I know you freaks are obsessed with banging animals; that`s the first place you go when we say gay`s should get married. You`re proof of that. No, only human`s who are capable of signing marriage contracts should be allowed to marry. But all humans, nevertheless. And, by the way, everyone is part of a minority or majority with something. You might be gay, but you`re also black. You might be a vegan, but you`re also a woman. Get it?
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Male 2,245
you know what, this forum actually got me thinking. if churches wish to deny homosexuals the right to get married in their church, it should be mandatory that the church must determine that the heterosexual partners that they are marrying have relationships that are right with god. those vegas chapels should be burned to the ground, and the church should stand up for it`s doctrines and make sure that they are marrying people who are entering into that commitment with their hearts and minds in the right place. if they do not scrutinize everyone, they should scrutinize no one. i know of many pastors that do this before accepting to marry a couple and i think anyone with the power to marry should have to do the same.
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Female 1
Victory7, some students in schools feel awkward around students with mental disability. Does this mean we should deny them education?
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Female 1,264
"I am just so offended by this video. Everyone knows that women were not intended to be priests. It goes against biblical principles. I mean seriously who`s going to molest the alter boys if they keep this up."

Best. Post. Ever.

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Male 49
Anyone else who agrees on this defect and abnormality in humanity, please shut up.
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Female 156
that made me so happy, i`m almost crying.
not even kidding.
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Male 362
Let`s set this straight, people. Homosexuality is a defect, a disability. They`re not evil, but why are we being forced to accept an abnormality when clearly a vast majority do not want to? For the majority, homosexual couples kissing or doing anything sexual seems awkward and wrong. Why? Because our natural instincts know it is, and if our very basic insticntual nature is opposed to full-blown acceptance, why do liberals see it as "morally right" to shove their viewpoints down everyone`s throat? And if we continue this trend of singling out minorities and granting them specific rights, at what minority will it end? Beastialists? Vegans? Mechaphilists? Joggers? Eastern Methodists? Book Burners? Ray Bradbury saw this coming way back in the 50`s, and he wrote "Fahrenheit 451" to combat just that. Minority rights have to stop for the sake of society.
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Female 1,264
"Don`t EVER be brainwashed. HOMOSEXUALITY is WRONG! Remember that. Don`t lose your convictions for some kind of commercial, or people telling that it`s not. That is just plain disgusting, nasty, and WRONG. What is society coming into? Protect our decency, and protect YOUR dignity. End of point."

Whats these weird crap?

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Female 27
Jancarlo, I laughed so hard. You made my day a little lighter, thinking of all those IQ points that I have that I must take for granted every day.
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Male 49
Don`t EVER be brainwashed. HOMOSEXUALITY is WRONG! Remember that. Don`t lose your convictions for some kind of commercial, or people telling that it`s not. That is just plain disgusting, nasty, and WRONG. What is society coming into? Protect our decency, and protect YOUR dignity. End of point.
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Male 772
I still don`t get why people hate/are afraid of/shun this. Loving someone and having that affection is, in extremely basic terms, feeling comfort when near that someone. Why does that have to be controlled?

I love lamp.

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Male 49
what`s these weird crap!
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Female 339
Guys kissing is only hot if theyre "emo".
But seriously, this totally should be accepted.
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Female 511
I think homosexuals are evolution`s way of trying to control the people population. We`ve beat out disease, so we`ll just have people that can`t have kids.
/sarcasm

In reality though, who cares if two guys want to sleep together or two girls want to. It`s not like it`s affecting *your* ability to be heterosexual. Piss off and leave them alone. And if your relationship is so fragile that it can`t stand the sight of gay people, then it`s doomed regardless and may as well be nipped in the bud.

I have yet to see a compelling argument from the anti-gay side about why they shouldn`t be allowed to marry. So far it`s all been religion... and that works well enough... or would, if we were a mono-religious society. However, being an atheist kind of makes the bible arguments flat.

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Male 2,313
I side with Amaq here. Sexual orientation really only means which gender you are attracted to. A man can love a man and be straight and a man can love a man and be gay. It`s when a man starts feeling attracted to a man that it becomes about the sexuality.
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Female 683
What the hell is the big deal about this? It`s just people who want to love and have a family, how`s that any different from the so-called straight people consuming the world? The people of today`s society need to get a grip on themselves. The world`s changing and will continue to change whether you accept it or not.
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Male 2,245
alright, one more post

"Homosexuality is NOT about the sexual act...although that`s the main part of it that opponents of equal rights cannot look past."

homoSEXUALITY is by definition about the sexual act. homosexuality is not loving the same sex and heterosexuality is not loving the opposite sex. you can love both. the sexual act is the only thing that makes a homosexual a homosexual.

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Female 1,963
Ok. First of all I already have a mate, so I don`t really need to attract one anymore. Secondly, by boyfriend couldn`t give a flying poo about shoes if he tried. Thirdly, what about things like wanting a family, a career, love? I would still want all of those things, maybe even more so, if I could never have sex again.
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Female 152
what the hell i dont need to see two men kissing
i got nothing against gay guys i just get nervous when i see them kiss in front of me
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Male 1,825
Is that absolutly true, or is that just what society told you to believe? Do you really want those shoes because you like them? Or cause you need them to fit into society and attract a mate?
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Male 24
"That`s a bigger number than the percentage with cancer and aids!", that percentage is more of a guess, but yes, I think I was wrong about the numbers. Your argument remains irrational though.
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Female 1,963
No, kenny, not everything is about sex. A lot of things, yes, but not everything. There are a lot of things I want that have nothing to do with sex.
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Male 1,825
dude, everything in the world is about the sexual act. We`re animals, that`s all we really want and all we`re programmed to want. Even the prudest girls in the deepest denial are only about sex
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Male 236
Studies have shown (namely through Kinsey) that 1/10th of the world`s population is not exclusively heterosexual. That`s a bigger number than the percentage with cancer and aids! Also, homosexuality is not a disease. What physical problems does it cause a person? Cancer and AIDS are lethal...homosexuality is only lethal if you live in the southern US! Homosexuality is NOT about the sexual act...although that`s the main part of it that opponents of equal rights cannot look past.
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Male 8,300
ON topic, OFF flame. Not too hard to remember. I`ve deleted a few comments below that used the bundleofsticks word. Express opinions by all means, on BOTH sides of the debate, but keep it as a debate not a mud-slinging match.
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Male 1,825
Glad you associate your only views with another person`s radio show. Very intelligent. And I`m glad this link totally asked every single person and their mother what their opinion on the subject is. Yay
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Male 674
That was nice. As far as I am concerned, any consenting adults that love each other should be able to be together. Not only one man and one woman, but anyone. Two men, two women, or perhaps even a third, fourth or fifth person. Even Relatives, I would condemn neither Oedipus nor Electra. So long as all parties are consenting, and have genuine emotions for each other, than I think it is acceptable.

I suppose it is one of the benefits of not living my life based on the laws on some ancient document, but instead on my own conscience.

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Male 2,313
I don`t even know what to say about this thread.
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Male 24
apoet4life, now that is a stupid argument. You say that homosexuality is not an illness because there are many homosexuals and bisexuals in the world. Scientifically speaking (sine you want it that way), if we take your words for granted then any human abnormality in the functioning of the body or mind is not an illness if it is displayed in a number equal or greater than the number of homo and bisexuals in the world. So now cancer, and aids are no longer illnesses.. cool! I am beginning to see why you call yourself a poet.
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Male 285
also, Victory7 and Nidonemo have good points ..
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Male 285
seen it comin .. really .. wit the way today goes nothin is surprising lol .. as for my opinion .. I think its wierd they got married in priest suits. im no fashion expert tho :)
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Male 362
""Tolerate" and "Accept" are two very different words. Please think on that."

My thoughts exactly. I tolerate homosexuals, but I do not accept them. Liberal society is attempting to FORCE acceptance of homosexuality, not tolerance of it. Doing so will only end in violence of some sort.

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Male 1,825
hey, its not very nice to call people inanimate objects, expecially bundles of sticks.
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Female 358
"Seriously though, people who have a problem with gay marrige need to get over it. If it doesn`t affect you, who cares!!!"

"It does affect me."

How does it affect you?

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Female 45
Seriously though, people who have a problem with gay marrige need to get over it. If it doesn`t affect you, who cares!!!
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Female 1,963
Ok people... forget about the church and what gender these people are, ffs. Two people in love, getting their love "sanctified" in a way that makes them feel good. What could possibly be wrong with this?
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Male 9,305
"Tolerate" and "Accept" are two very different words. Please think on that.
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Female 1,963
Aww. They love each other! *sniff* I love love.
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Male 2,245
i`m sorry but i hate it when people discuss this so sentimentally. you don`t need to be in love to have sex and you don`t need to have sex to be in love. i`m done with this thread.
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Female 193
Aw. That was adorable.
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Female 317
People have the rigt to be with whom they love (as log as they`re adults). it only takes a while before conservative people get used to any changes. I mean there was a time when women couldn`t vote and racism ruled the modern world... and those things changed too, right?
lets hope that our children don`t see this as an issue at all in their life time.
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Male 231
wow. gay. ba dum ch
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Male 236
"(Also it`s really funny how any time someone mentions religion in IAB it turns into a war :D)"
What`s really funny is that the arguments are more scientific than religious. But I`m sure the opposing side is affected by his own personal religious beliefs.
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Male 2,245
its really quite entertaining GVP
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Female 507
(Also it`s really funny how any time someone mentions religion in IAB it turns into a war :D)
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Male 236
I have plenty of words in my vocabulary. But as far as backing up that I feel you`re an idiot? You say homosexuality is an illness because it`s not a normal biological pattern. There is a HUGE amount of homosexuals and bisexuals in this world. There are too many out there to consider this an illness! Don`t combine science with your own bias!
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Female 507
I thought she was going to be a robot. That was unexpected.
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Male 2,245
if you classify homosexuality as an illness razvanpat, then i think you are way off base having such anti-homosexuality views.
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Male 24
"amaqdrinker.....at least we agree on something! he is an idiot!", brilliant comment! Now, do you have enough words in your vocabulary to sustain that with good arguments?
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Male 1,365
I also do not believe that homosexuality is a sin or wrong. (see last post.)
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Male 1,365
I do not want the churches imposing their will on the state, that being said, I do not wish the public pushing it`s will on the church. I am agnostic, and I believe that if you don`t like what a church stands for, don`t go. It works for me.
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Male 2,245
"Said another conservative Christian. Exactly my point from earlier. Acceptable anti-homosexuality under cover of religious dogma."

well of course, that is the same as saying acceptable anit-homosexuality under the cover of personal morality. that`s how i view it. a butt`s made for pooping, sodomy is unnatural confusion. and before anyone bites my head off go back and read what i posted earlier about homosexuality in general.

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Male 12,138
vv "just stating that my opinion is anti-homosexuality"

Said another conservative Christian. Exactly my point from earlier. Acceptable anti-homosexuality under cover of religious dogma.

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Male 1,764
That was so gay.
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Male 2,245
have you seriously never heard the phrase "god is love"? i mean cmon, its a marvin gaye song.
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Female 1,306
what does god have to do with love?

nothing, thats what.
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Male 2,245
yeah and i agree with timelurker, there was something very offensive to me about this. probably the fact that it was so intertwined with religion.
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Female 723
Okay, I wouldn`t be as offended by this if gay and woman empowerment weren`t thrown in together.

...or was that a transgender or transexual man marrying the two gay priests?

Seriously....

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Male 1,204
After reading these posts, I have no clue what you people are arguing about, so I will now go and club a puppy to death.
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Male 1,204
obuibo182
Yes sir, it was "gay."
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Male 1,204
I believe in a world of love that doesn`t mean you love somebody because you had sex with them. Love is something that can transcend sexual urges. Love is above marraige, marraige is just two people`s way of saying "i`m lonely."

Or maybe there is no God, we have no souls, marraige is really just a sexual desire for the good endorphine release we have during sexual acts, brought forth by evolutionary needs, because reproduction is something a species needs, and if a positive chemical release is given, then it will encourage higher sexual activity, thus causing a higher reproductive rate.


In the end, I think bro rape is a horrible thing but I do play gamecube with my pants off.

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Male 2,245
well i`ve gotten into a few of these debates so i`ve said this before, but i feel that homosexuality is just confusion. i`m not judgmental about it though because i think everyone is a bit confused when it comes to relationships. as far as laws concerning gay marriage, it doesn`t really make sense to me. i mean, i thought we had seperation of church and state. so i feel that it is a religious concept, and if their actions are not accepted by the church, then they should not be married.
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Female 194
Aww...
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Female 13
nice message. very well done to.
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Male 236
amaqdrinker.....at least we agree on something! he is an idiot! but what is YOUR stance on the gay marriage issue?
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Male 2,245
i`m using your method of justification in a different context. if animals participate in homosexual activity then its okay. if animals participate in rape and murder...

and by the way i think that guy who was saying that homosexuality is a disease is an idiot. not trying to make a personal attack though just stating that my opinion is anti-homosexuality but i disagree with that guy`s opinion

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Female 105
I`ll keep my comment short and just say "Awwwww".
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Male 236
"as are rape and murder"

Rape and murder hurt people....who does homosexuality hurt? Rape and murder definately aren`t consensual. An act of love between two people of the same sex is totally consensual. Love hurts people? How?!?!?

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Male 236
Another thing....homosexuality not being normal but yet biological does not make it an illness. That would be like saying left-handedness is an illness. Are the majority of people not right handed? Something biological that puts someone into a minority does not automatically mean they have an illness. Aside from being attractive to someone of the opposite sex, they are the same psycholocially from their heterosexual counterparts.
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Male 2,245
"The APA may not state that`s it`s a normal human behavior, but scientists have been saying it`s a normal animal behavior."

as are rape and murder

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Male 2,245
why even say adult, you are just drawing more lines in the sand. i had an argument with someone on here the other night, they were trying to justify pedophilia. most adult relationships are not how they should be and none are perfect. but if you didn`t mean physical relationships and actually were referring to love, then i agree with you.
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Male 236
"APA states that homosexuality is not a mental or emotional illness, but it does not state that it is a normal human behaviour"

The APA may not state that`s it`s a normal human behavior, but scientists have been saying it`s a normal animal behavior. Last i checked....scientifically, aren`t humans animals too? On top of that...research keeps showing more and more that homosexuality is biological. Seriously people, who wakes up one day and decides to be part of a viciously hated minority?

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Female 1,652
It didn`t weird me out that they were gay. It sorta weirded me out that they were both priests. So if they`re both married to the church, and then married to each other...
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Male 2,245
"Adult consentual love can`t be wrong."

wow, thanks for the good laugh.

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Male 924
"couldnt become a female priest"

you mean the viar of dibley was a lie!?

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Female 751
we can only hope one day that this will be accepted by all, it takes progress <3
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Male 4
gay
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Female 262
I thought that this advert was beautiful! While there are people in this world that can see such beauty then my mind won`t be tainted by anti-gay comments.

Adult consentual love can`t be wrong.

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Male 889
everyones busy arguing about the gay guys, but no one noticed the female priest..i thought they couldnt become one..correct me if im wrong please
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Female 15,763
Gender is not binary.

Biologically or socially, gender is not binary.

So why should marriage be held to those same binary convictions?

I`m done, it`s going to ruin my day to get all worked up in here.

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Male 11,739
Wow, very well done. I wish more people were ok with it. What two people want to do with their lives is their business as long as they aren`t harming anyone else. No government should be allowed to tell people who they can marry.
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Female 340
I often wonder why people think this is so disgusting. I loved that commercial, and think that it should be universally accepted.

It hasn`t caused any problems by legalizing same-sex marriage in Canada, and I`m glad I have the opportunity to marry my girlfriend if I so chose.

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Male 24
Nice chatting with you guys.
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Male 24
Since we all have different names we constantly discriminate in our social interactions. The problem in this case is when do you call discrimination irrational.. You can call me homophobic if you want to, I don`t mind, but I still think that is wrong.

APA states that homosexuality is not a mental or emotional illness, but it does not state that it is a normal human behaviour ... they are offering a diplomatic answer to a delicate problem. I would avoid the problem too if I were a public person/institute for political reasons.

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Female 741
I kneeew that would happen.
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Male 719
@razvanpat, give me a sane reason for why an individual would chose to spend the rest of his days having sex only with a partner of the opposite sex.

And yes, you are discriminating against homosexuals. From Wikipedia, "Discrimination is the act of distinguishing two things, or differentiating between them. It may also have the added connotation of making a value judgment about this distinction."

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Female 2,228
Going against the medical definition of homosexuality are ye?
That would make you irrational, and hence homophobic.
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Female 2,228
It is NOT a mental Illness, look up the APA definition.
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Male 24
From wikipedia: "Homophobia (from Greek homós: one and the same; phóbos: fear, phobia) is an irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals.". Declaring that homosexuality is an illness is not a display of fear, aversion or discrimination, so I guess I`m not a homophobe.

"According to research which was linked to on I-A-B, homosexual brains react to stimuli almost identically to how heterosexual brains of the opposite gender do. Link", this would make it an illness similar to cleft lip for example.

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Female 2,228
Here Davy, this will clear it up for all of us,

"Homophobia: An irrational hatred, disapproval, or fear of homosexuality, gay and lesbian people, or culture. (sic)"

So don`t anyone claim,non-homophobia b/c their not "scared." The topic is much broader than that.

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Male 311
SoxXxhXcxSeX
so guys kissing is gross but guys licking each others nipples is completely allright to watch?
I like your logic
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Male 12,138
vv Razvan, if you don`t think that equating homosexuality with some kind of mental deficiency or illness is homophobic, then we have very different definitions of what constitutes homophobia.
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Male 719
"separate but equal is inherently unequal."
Therefore they should have the same name.

@ FlameOfUdun; According to research which was linked to on I-A-B, homosexual brains react to stimuli almost identically to how heterosexual brains of the opposite gender do. Link

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Female 497
ewww D:
i just saw a guy kiss a guy thats gross its like reminds me of that gay porn i saw on youtube with the guy licking the other guys nipples
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Male 719
Find what`s wrong with this argument.

First, note that we`re talking about the governmental definition of marriage, and not the religious one.

1) By the Declaration of Independence, "All men are created equal," and in the modern context, "men" means "mankind," which includes women.
2) Then women and men should have the same rights.
3) Men have the right to marry women.
4) By 2 and 3, women should have the right to marry women.
5) By 4, women have the right to same sex marriage. So by 2, men have the right to marry men.
6) Any two people should be allowed to be married, regardless of gender, race, creed or color.

Now for those who argue that there should be a different name; Consider the case that all of the rights of marriage are conferred to homosexual couples, though under the name of "narrage" (not very creative). Then the situation might be described as "separate, but equal." However, "separate but

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Male 24
@davymid

I`m not homophobic since I tolerate same sex couples. I just don`t agree that for a same sex couple the same language words should be used as for normal couples. Same sex couples are not normal from either biological, religious or moral reasons. As for homosexuality being a mental illness... give me a sane reason for why an individual would chose to spend the rest of his days having sex only with a partner of his same sex.

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Male 563
Hooray for Gay Marriage!


PS Flameofudon, don`t be ignorant. I`m gay and guess what, there is no way you would confuse me with a woman. Maybe a straight guy though.

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Male 12,138
vv "Sigh, I`d like to remind everyone that it is possible, believe it or not, to be both religious and not a homophobe."

I hear ya sixclaws. I`m not suggesting that for a second, nor am I attacking religious people as a whole, rather a subset. Not all Christians are homophobes, but (nearly) all homophobes are conservative Christians.

Likewise, I could point to the Catholic Church preaching against condom use is AIDs-stricken Africa where millions are HIV+. Or to the disgusting degradation of women across large swathes of the Muslim world. Yet it remains somehow taboo to speak up against these heinous bronze-age mentalities because they are "religious views".

I respect people`s rights to practice whatever religion they choose, but when it comes down to retarding societal progress, whether that be in basic civil rights or the science classroom, then I`m speaking up. Every time.

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Female 23
Aw, this was such a sweet little clip
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Male 1,219
If gay guys like men, why do they so many try to look like girls? I mean....girls already do that for ya.
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Female 237
MoondustWolf-
Maybe YOU should go look for the elephants on the streets, since you obviously are not capable of finding out the truth.Have you done any research on this? I don`t make assumptions from what I hear, I actually looked it up to find out what rights they do and do not have, and domestic partners have virtually the same rights as married couples (at least here in CA). Stop attacking people before you know the truth, and do some research so you don`t look stupid: Domestic Partnership Rights
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Male 64
Too be perfectly honest..
Love can be found in the most darkest of places.. But having love anywhere nowadays in the world we live in has becoming something of the `uncommon` factor!
If people believe in love.. Who is to say that their opinion must correspond with the majority of society? For once in a topic like this.. Utilitarianism is NOT a factor. :-)
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Female 399
Cute video, nice message.
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Female 2,228
And before I forget...
Polygamy has nothing to do w/ gay marriage. It is a slippery slope fallacy. There`s a very good reason we don`t allow polygamy, it takes the rights and central humanity away from women as they become property. You`ll notice no polygamist sects advocate polyandry. (Marrying multiple men)

And besides, no one has to "get laid by many women that are married to me" biologically (Thank you Jon Stewart!) Heck, the traditionalist christians should be the ones who are worried the most about polygamy, `tis biblically approved after all...

In sum, that argument makes you look like a hillbilly.

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Female 1,395
In a multi cultural/faith progressive society the government has no business telling consenting adults whether they should marry each other or not. A civil ceremony should be for all. But wether or not the church allows it is up to their congregation.
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Female 2,228
"Marriage has forever meant Man/Woman?"

Bullpucky
Early Christian Example

Ohh early Christianity, I weep for your loss and the tolerance you embodied...

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Female 221
Davymid, that person is not following what their religion teaches. You speak against demonizing groups... and yet I feel as if I (because of the sole reason I consider myself a religious person) am demonized in the eyes of people who have the same opinion about religion as you, even though I feel that my religion compels me to be as loving and accepting towards other as possible.

It`s obvious that you see and are angered by how people are wrongly prejudiced against gay people because they only see incorrect and inaccurate stereotypes, which is very sad. So I ask you, please don`t judge religious people based on the stereotypes that ignorant jerks like razvanpat create.

Christianity teaches that people are supposed to love and accept everyone, and to leave the judging of others to God. It is not the religion that is bad. The bad comes in when people are stupid and choose to ignore those parts. I think this stuff can be chalked up to human stupidity rather than religion.

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Female 80
If marriage is between a man and a woman, whose to say that the men and women really have to be a man and a woman. The man could be a transgendered woman, and the woman could be a transgengered man.(Not marrying each other) Ergo a non-homophobic marriage, cause really no one would know.
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Male 2,313
Sigh, I`d like to remind everyone that it is possible, believe it or not, to be both religious and not a homophobe.
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Female 101
XD
Wild twist.
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Female 338
Anyone who thinks gay parters have all the same rights of married couples: Go outside, there are elephants parading down the streets! Hey, you believe anything you hear, so it was worth a shot.
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Female 237
I still don`t get why they want to call it marriage. Why not just have a domestic partnership? You can`t just change the constitution because you feel like it. Being partners is fine and all, but marriage is different- the terms `husband` and `wife` are there for a reason- because MEN and WOMEN get married. Gay partners are partners, not husband and wife- why isn`t that ok? They get all the same rights and they can be together legally, etc. It`s not anti-gay or homophobic, just a desire to keep marriage and gay partnership separate things.
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Male 1,219
d00d davymid calm down. No reason to attack a point that nobody agrees with.
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Male 1,219
I agree with razvanpat. It shoulden`t be called "Marriage". That word has always meant man and woman.
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Male 12,138
vv " Also they shouldn`t be allowed to raise kids (by adoption or any other means). If they are mentally ill the kids don`t have to suffer because of this.."

Let`s see...

1) Blatant disgusting homophobia - Check.
2) Declaring homosexuality a mental disease - Check.
3) *looks up user profile* Religion: Christian - Check.

It`s great that we live in a 21st-century society where demonization of minority groups is stil acceptable as long as it`s under the cover of "religious views".

Religion. Sh*t it.

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Female 331
Wow....cool...but weeeeiiiird.

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Male 24
Same sex couples should be tolerated but their reunion should be called different than marriage, and they shouldn`t form a family. Those terms involve a man and a woman. I suggest "gayrriage" and "gaymily" as substitute. Also they shouldn`t be allowed to raise kids (by adoption or any other means). If they are mentally ill the kids don`t have to suffer because of this..
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Male 1,526
I`d like to marry an android... yupp. I don`t have control issues. I just have issues with other people.
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Male 3,014
That was sweet.

@davisboy: LOL.

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Male 587
I am just so offended by this video. Everyone knows that women were not intended to be priests. It goes against biblical principles. I mean seriously who`s going to molest the alter boys if they keep this up.
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Female 85
meh
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Male 741
The penalty for polygamy is having more than one wife.

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Male 12,138
vv "Both same sex and polygamist marriages are considered, by society as a whole, to be something they don`t want."

Umm, wait, what? Says who? Same-sex marriages have been legal in Europe for years. Who exacty is this "society" that you or your father represent, Rick_S?

Also, nice to see that you plant a flame seed and then declare that "you won`t be back on this thread".

Tell me, was your father a seagull? Because you seem to have inherited his penchant of flying in, sh*tting all over everything and then flying off again...

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Male 715
"Well, I think since Rick_S isn`t going to be checking back, can we all agree that his `rhetorical question` makes no sense at all and just not acknowledge it? It looks like the sort of question that would lead to one of those horrible headache-inducing `debates` where by the end, NOBODY makes any sense."

I can`t say that I agree. I think it makes perfect sense. I think he put it quite clearly.
Yes it would very likely lead to "headache-inducing debates", that much I do agree with.

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Male 650
i knew it
its an ad
...yea i for some reason care more that its an ad
still, clever ad
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Male 252
Well, I think since Rick_S isn`t going to be checking back, can we all agree that his `rhetorical question` makes no sense at all and just not acknowledge it? It looks like the sort of question that would lead to one of those horrible headache-inducing `debates` where by the end, NOBODY makes any sense.
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Male 252
Ahhhh, that made me smile :)
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Male 3,330
My father made the best argument against same sex marriage I have heard. If you are willing to allow same sex marriage (which I am, btw), what about polygamy? Both same sex and polygamist marriages are considered, by society as a whole, to be something they don`t want. If we do manage to allow same sex marriages, why shouldn`t we allow polygamist marriages?

That, by the way, is a rhetorical question. Meaning, I`m not out to start a flame war, or a moral discussion on this issue. Just offering it up as what my father said.

So, now I`m going to say that I won`t be looking back on this thread to follow up this post. Sorry folks.

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Male 12,138
Oh-uh. This is gonna piss off the God Squad...
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Male 236
Amazing video! That should shake up the catholic church! What would shake them up more....the lady minister, priests marrying, or the priest marrying eachother? LOL
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Female 536
Aww

Now let`s see what homophobes have to say

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Male 489
Link: Love For All [Rate Link] - Accepted marriage standards of the future?
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