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  1. Profile photo of gargaflute
    gargaflute Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 3:41 am
    Link: Islamists Murder Children for Attending School - What`s the world coming to?
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    mardraum Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 3:55 am
    Love the part where the guy with the beard (o0) says; rights...western rights! and then they all laugh. Haha silly foreign cultures. Feel bad for the children that have to live with this though. But what can we do?
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    ListerStorm Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 4:00 am
    ARGH!!! drating Islam!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Devi3000 Female 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 4:12 am
    We need to bomb the drating hell out of these devils.
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    duffytoler Male 40-49
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    December 10, 2008 at 4:15 am
    Careful - you say anything bad about Islam and someone will call you a racist. And those wonderful Muslims will try and kill you.
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    teph2112 Male 13-17
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    December 10, 2008 at 4:26 am
    f*cking extremists..
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    pangoz Female 13-17
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    December 10, 2008 at 4:33 am
    theres nothing wrong with isalm! dont judge!
    we arent like that.. those ppl are weird n seriously paranoid.. islam is a religion of PEACE! why the hell would thy do tht! poor children!
    DUH we can go to school ><!
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    AnwarNova Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 4:44 am
    where is afghanistans military?
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    TheNineXXX Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 4:49 am
    Stop Sharia Law!
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    Hermanoid Male 30-39
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    December 10, 2008 at 4:51 am
    "Afghanistan`s military?" That`s like saying "Where`s Somalia`s navy?"
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    Tay-Dor Male 40-49
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    December 10, 2008 at 4:55 am
    Islam is a religion of peace, so long as you want to remain uneducated and stuck in the 15th century.

    Yes, yes, not all Muslims are terrorists. I get it. But come on, look at what the rank and file muslims from the middle east want, not the westernized Muslims.

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    Overmann Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 4:58 am
    "islam is a religion of PEACE!"

    Keep saying that. Once everyone believes it, maybe then it`ll become true.

    Academia has always had to put up with religious nonsense - Islam is just being a bit more forward about it, killing kids. It`s not Islam`s fault, though; it`s the reluctance to criticize, in any form, organized religion that created the air bubble for a really wretched system to spring up and take offense to any damned thing it can, whether it be women`s rights, education, even walking your dog in the park. Lunatics.

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    TheNineXXX Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 5:10 am
    People say that Islam means `Peace` when in fact the word itself means `Submission`
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    Tiredofnicks Male 30-39
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    December 10, 2008 at 5:50 am
    "We need to bomb the hell out of these devils."

    Because killing people that doesn`t think the same way as you do works. Oh, wait!

    "Careful - you say anything bad about Islam and someone will call you a racist. And those wonderful Muslims will try and kill you."

    Generalize some more, will you?

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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    December 10, 2008 at 5:59 am
    "islam is a religion of PEACE!"

    Wrong. Islam is a religion of obedience. The very word "islam" means either "obedience" or "submission" (which, of course, includes obedience).

    You get peace only if you submit and are utterly obedient. Like a bully leaving you alone because you grovel to them, acknowledging them as your master.

    Even "moderate" Muslims support the torture of those who are disobedient - it`s absolutely required. 100 lashes in a punishment whipping without mercy - right there in the Koran, a direct command from God, therefore something every Muslim is required to support.

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    robrobrob125 Male 13-17
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    December 10, 2008 at 6:07 am
    Come on people, Islam is like Christianity. It isn`t the religion that`s crazy, it`s the people that read the Qur`an and see "Defend yourself" as "Kill everyone that isn`t yourself"
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    JagaLubnaN Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 6:08 am
    These people aren`t true Muslims. They claim to be performing these acts in the name of Islam, and claim that, that is what Islam is about. WRONG. It`s all about how they`ve been misinterpreting the Qur`an. They`ve been led to believe that this is how things are supposed to be, but in reality, culture has been thrown into the mix & culture has been interpreted as Islam, which is incorrect.

    Please don`t let these unintelligent people make you believe that all Muslims are wrong. I`m not ignorant, I hope you`re not either.

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    mal_BB Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 6:30 am
    This is sad for three reasons;
    1) Because I`m not shocked by this
    2)Because the people committing these atrocities are giving, what is essentially a peace loving religeon a bad name, and
    3)Because they think they are following their religeon, and that they will be rewarded after death, but in reality there will be either nothing at all, or they`ll go somewhere very very unpleasent. And I`m not refering to Norwich.
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    mal_BB Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 6:37 am
    heh, never knew that the word Islam actually means Submission. Guess you learn something new every day.
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    Mo73 Male 30-39
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    December 10, 2008 at 6:44 am
    how can people still defend these animals?
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    farquaadhnch Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 6:59 am
    Issac and Ishmael.

    That`s all I have to say...

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    ne028 Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 7:21 am
    i still think africa is worse..
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    Dakkar Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 7:26 am
    It is true that the perpetrators are not following true Islamic teachings, but it is undeniable that these particular followers are quite vast in number.

    And while in principle they match up with many Christians who misinterpret teachings, they do so in a much more violent sense. Hell, even the warped KKK isn`t terribly violent anymore, still as bigoted and ignorant as ever, but not as violent.

    The worst thing is, these people can`t be ignored. We can`t submit after a cartoon of their prophet surfaces with a bomb in his turban. They prey on weakness and fear, so we must meet that with resolute response. These twisted Muslims, again I`ll repeat they are a minority, want the entire world to submit to Islam and will do so in a brutal fashion. With such an enemy, the only option is to meet that with an equivalent or greater force. I`ll always choose the latter.

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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 7:26 am
    my only question is that without the grace of God how can islam be a completely peaceful religion? equality only exists within the grace of God.
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    BoomStick Male 30-39
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    December 10, 2008 at 7:27 am
    What`s the world coming to?

    That kind of implies that these tactics are new. They aren`t. Fanatics driven to surpress education as of means of controlling populations have been brutally punishing those who attempt to arm themselves with knowledge for longer than any of us have been alive.

    Western complacency isn`t helping matters much.

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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 7:29 am
    "Western complacency isn`t helping matters much."

    these are the people we`re fighting in afghanistan

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    Tiredofnicks Male 30-39
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    December 10, 2008 at 7:39 am
    *sigh*

    I eagerly await the day when humanity matures enough to lay violence, willful ignorance and bigotry behind them.

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    SwissNipsUK Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 7:57 am
    It`s strange , this happens all the time , but one finally gets some publicity , we dropped of some med supplies in Basra , set off back to base , next minute , half of the que was killed and they had made of with all the suplies .... this really isn`t anything new
  29. Profile photo of Dakkar
    Dakkar Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 8:00 am
    That day will never come nicks, unless a reactionary, despotic government gains control and rules over the entire Earth.

    As long as there are clashes in fundamental beliefs, there will be violence. And if we want a free world, there will be clashes in fundamental beliefs. Now its always tough to say which side is "right" and which is "wrong" and it is never that black and white. But we now see what complacency and "peace at all costs" did to the world in 1939. The best example of a truly "evil" side brought forth the deadliest war in human history because the "good" side truly believed peace could thrive in a dangerous world.

    Hitler and his Blitzkrieg proved once and for all that one of the greatest allies of terrible violence is the pursuit of world peace.

    War begets war. Peace begets greater war.

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    SwissNipsUK Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 8:11 am
    V who talks like that anymore ?
  31. Profile photo of murrymalty
    murrymalty Female 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 8:11 am
    This is fudgeing disgusting
    people like this have divided the world and ruined islam, which is 99% fine, the other 1% ruin it for everyone, and as monday was ede, the start of the 1492nd year (i think) in the islam lunar calendar, think back to christianity in the late 15th century, was it any better?

    unfotunatly due to modern media and freedom of speech they`re having a harder time than christianity did

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    Bellatrix391 Female 13-17
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    December 10, 2008 at 8:12 am
    Stupid stupid humans with their religions..
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    Dakkar Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 8:14 am
    I think the Amish still talk like that. And this one homeless guy in Louisiana. He`s pretty cool.
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    murrymalty Female 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 8:17 am
    PS call the muslims, not islamists :P
  35. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 8:22 am
    "who talks like that anymore ? "

    as a member of the military you should respect that kind of outlook about what you are fighting for.

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    boredfjord Male 13-17
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    December 10, 2008 at 8:24 am
    The thing that sucks hardest about Islam is that whenever anyone tries to point out that Muhammad was a petty, unwashed, genocidal barbarian and that Islam is a wildly irrational belief system, the bad sort of Muslims threaten to kill them (which of course proves the point). Even those with the courage to risk their lives to fight Islam rarely do for fear of their families. What we need is several million Salman Rushdies. And I`m not just picking on Islam, it`s just that Islam as it exists today is the most dangerous. Christianity could be just as dangerous, but people are starting to cherry-pick more ethical passages.
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    murrymalty Female 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 8:27 am
    islam doesnt mean submission as in whips and chain "you`re a bad boy"
    it means the total surrender (or submission) of yourself to god

    thats why th word muslim translated to "one who submits (to god)"

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    boredfjord Male 13-17
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    December 10, 2008 at 8:28 am
    Scratch the word genocidal, that one isn`t really fair, I just got angry.
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    boredfjord Male 13-17
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    December 10, 2008 at 8:33 am
    I don`t see how anyone could say that Islam is a religion of peace. It was founded by war, spread by war, and preserved by war. The history of Islam is incredibly bloody. The prophet of Islam was incredibly bloody. The Koran, like the Bible, is internally contradictory enough that one can cherry pick war or peace. Those who say it`s a religion of peace are choosing to ignore a substantial portion of the Koran, the life of the prophet, and the history of their religion. Right before the crusades it might have been a religion of peace to an extent, but Catholics rectified that in a hurry.
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    damonkd Male 30-39
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    December 10, 2008 at 8:34 am
    TROP
  41. Profile photo of murrymalty
    murrymalty Female 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 8:40 am
    you (kinda) said it boredfjord about the crusade, jihad, is Urdu for holy war/crusade
    christainity was crusading still in the 1450`s, roughly the same age islam is you cant criticise islam for this
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    murrymalty Female 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 8:51 am
    i kno i coulda put this in the same post but i just thought of it


    the USA invaded vietnam in the 1950`s to prevent the spread of communism this sparked the (until then) peaceful vietnamese into a guerilla army

    the crusades objective was to prevent the spread of islam (as well as capturing the holy land etc.) if the 9 crusades over 200 years wasn`t enough to spark islam into violence the spanish reconquista, the arab revolt and the iranian revolt should be enough, not to mention how they`ve been treated in the mid 20th, but i wont go into that

    at the end of the day all this (what i wrote) is an immeasureably small percentage of the root of the problem

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    domisgood Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 8:54 am
    Muslims not Islamists.

    They ain`t all bad, only a very few - and they`re really bad.

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    Nidonemo Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 8:56 am
    Really, all this negative concentration is going to spark something. It`s like filling a room with flammable fumes, it`s only a matter of time before a light shorts out.
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    domisgood Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 8:59 am
    this may not necasaril have anything to do with them being muslim.
    Dunblain : a scottish school, 16 5-7 year olds and their teacher where killed, none of them were muslim
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    i-am-horny Male 13-17
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    December 10, 2008 at 9:00 am
    FFS
    STUPID ISLAMISTS
    Pricks

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    murrymalty Female 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 9:08 am
    doms right, calling them islamists can be very derogatory, you shoul call the muslims, an islamist implies that they believe in islam as not only a religion and way of life, but as a political system as well
  48. Profile photo of xiquiripat
    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 9:08 am
    Correction: the crusades weren`t aimed at destroying Islam. Muslim Arabs had already controlled Jerusalem for four centuries before the first Crusade and that only happened because newly converted Muslim Turks started killing pilgrims. Besides the Crusades were primarily defensive. Every region they fougt in was a former christain province. In 1453 Constantinople fell and Islam pushed into Eastern Europe. In 1492 Muslim armies were laying siege to Vienna.
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    Dakkar Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 9:18 am
    Murry, while you are correct that intervention in Vietnam, and also Korea, was to halt the spread of Communism, the Viet Minh were not turned violent over U.S. invasion.

    They had originally been warring against the French occupation in Indochina, and it came to a head in Dien Bien Phu. The French called for U.S. intervention but the order was never given and, I believe Eisenhower pressed the French to vie for peace.

    Upon the creation of S. Vietnam, the U.S. was present strictly in an advisory role. We were still in this role when the Vietcong rose up in S. Vietnam and eventually the N. Vietnamese Army invaded. It wasn`t until the mid 60`s that Lyndon B. Johnson deployed U.S. troops to fight with the S. Vietnamese forces against the previously aggressive Vietcong and N. Vietnamese armies.

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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 9:24 am
    Oh yeah, and the french wanted us to nuke Indochina into submission and got all pissy when Eisenhower refused.
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    SwissNipsUK Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 9:43 am
    "who talks like that anymore ?

    as a member of the military you should respect that kind of outlook about what you are fighting for."

    No disrepect intended i just like comments like that becuase it just looks so out of place , sorry that that gave off the wrong message

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    Eichenkatze Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 9:48 am
    stupid Islamics (not counting all of them out there/here, as there are some very intelligent and rational Islamic followers out there) They need education so they seek to destroy it. Morons..
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    boredfjord Male 13-17
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    December 10, 2008 at 9:51 am
    Well, if using the term Islamists implies that they believe that Islam is a way of life and a political system, then that might be an applicable term in this case. It`s not derogatory, it`s accurate. There is a movement called Islamism and the behavior of these extremists is consistent with those who belong to it.
  54. Profile photo of SwissNipsUK
    SwissNipsUK Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 9:52 am
    Lol everyone here is so wise and diverse , i have a distrust of all of them , which unfortunately stems from every time ever get to speak to them im usually telling the gunner which way to fire while avoiding petrol bombs , so there you go , dont preach to me , i dont care ...
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    LazyMe484 Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 9:58 am
    hahaha! Get this, last thing he said was "... equal rights, the rights in western culture", all the men laughed. Also, its religious extremists who are shooting up schools, yet all the kids do in those schools is chant from the koran. Wtf! Just let them kill each other. I guess this is why the west invaded. Makes sense, but why hold back?
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    duffytoler Male 40-49
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    December 10, 2008 at 10:14 am
    >>Islam is a religion of PEACE!

    I call B.S.

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    murrymalty Female 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 10:31 am
    @ xiquiripat
    "Correction: the crusades weren`t aimed at destroying Islam"

    Correction: Read: the crusades objective was to prevent the spread of islam

    I said prevent the spread, not destroy, thats a difeerent kettl of fish- read the coment b4 u try to b cleva


    and thanku dakkar, you have learnified me in the vietnam war i grovel at your knowledge, or supreme command of wiki

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    ak4775 Male 30-39
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    December 10, 2008 at 10:33 am
    There is a huge difference between Islamists and extremists.
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    keith2 Male 30-39
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    December 10, 2008 at 10:36 am
    Yeah the story is horrible, but you know someone should really change the title from "Islamists Murder Children for.." to "Islam Extremists Murder Children for.." Shame on whoever wrote that.
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    cookii Female 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 10:39 am
    Murry, Jihad doesn`t mean holy war, It means struggle in arabic. It`s been changed by the media, but it applies to most areas of a muslims life eg. Doing prayers if you don`t feel like it, as well as war

    In islam it is compulsary to learn- not only about islam, but whatever education is available to you

  61. Profile photo of xiquiripat
    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 10:51 am
    Murry: I stand corrected.
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    AahNold Male 30-39
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    December 10, 2008 at 10:52 am
    "There is a huge difference between Islamists and extremists."

    Really?? How many other "religions" do you see murdering people for no reason??

    They should be put in prison and ass raped on an hourly basis and then have the quran shoved up their bleeding non-nice individuals.

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    frumgf Female 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 10:57 am
    i wonder if aahnold is meant to sound as comically ignorant as arnold schawarzenneger and other republicans? it seems to make the most sense, as I do hope that people that fuc king ignorant don`t lurk here.
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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 11:01 am
    i`m just going to say this one more time for all the people who adamantly oppose our actions in the middle east.

    these are the people we are fighting in afghanistan.

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    morningkiwi Female 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 11:01 am
    Thats pathetic
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    AahNold Male 30-39
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    December 10, 2008 at 11:01 am
    "I do hope that people that fuc king ignorant don`t lurk here."

    You`re here

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    ShadowRyder Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 11:24 am
    "Really?? How many other "religions" do you see murdering people for no reason??"

    I`m sure the genocide during world war 2 had nothing to do with religion.
    These are stupid extremists that use religion as an excuse for everything. We should find every single one and shoot`em down.

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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 11:26 am
    "I`m sure the genocide during world war 2 had nothing to do with religion."

    and what religion did hitler stand behind to promote the holocaust?

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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 11:27 am
    if you are trying to suggest that hitler used the power of christianity or catholicism in order to commit the atrocities he did, you sir, are full of sh*t.
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    ak4775 Male 30-39
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    December 10, 2008 at 11:29 am

    AahNold
    Male, 30-39, Western US
    312 Posts Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:52:07 AM

    Really?? How many other "religions" do you see murdering people for no reason??

    Perhaps you should crack open a history book? Or a newspaper? People have been dying for millennia in the name of religion. And of course everyone thinks that their religion is the "right" one. Need a more modern example? Off the top of my head. Christian pro-lifers bombing a clinic right here in Atlanta extreme enough? Or does that not qualify?


    (Army of God)

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    Dakkar Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 11:30 am
    "Murry, while you are correct that intervention in Vietnam, and also Korea, was to halt the spread of Communism, the Viet Minh were not turned violent over U.S. invasion."

    I never suggested anything about the destruction of Communism Murray and from my quoted comment above I said you were correct on that comment.

    Also, I did not use Wikipedia in my argument. I am minoring in History with a concentration in military history. Currently, I`m taking American Military History at Penn State with Dr. Carol Reardon, a foremost expert in the field. It also happens that we are going over Vietnam at this point in the semester, which would explain why I could recall a few of the specific names and places, usually I would need a source.

    But my word will only go as far as it can on teh nets. If you want to believe I Wiki everything fine, but what I typed is the truth.

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    pyrojen27 Female 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 11:30 am
    amaqdrinker: "i`m just going to say this one more time for all the people who adamantly oppose our actions in the middle east.

    these are the people we are fighting in afghanistan."

    Yeah, and this is a perfect example of how our violence in the area isn`t really helping matters.

  73. Profile photo of Dakkar
    Dakkar Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 11:31 am
    And I wasn`t trying to be clever or to demean. Just cleaning up some mistakes over Vietnam, notably that it was American intervention that drove the Vietcong to arms.

    Obviously you took it personally, so I`m sorry about that, it wasn`t intended. I admit I can be too zealous at times concerning historical accuracies. Heh, but I really don`t find myself stopping anytime in the future.

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    AahNold Male 30-39
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    December 10, 2008 at 11:32 am
    "We should find every single one and shoot`em down."

    I agree, we should video tape them getting their heads sawed off and send it to their families like they do to us

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    ShadowRyder Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 11:33 am
    I really don`t care about any of this. I don`t really care about religion. All, I meant was he targeted jews and killed them. I didn`t say he used christianity. I said it had something to do with religion.
  76. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 11:42 am
    "Yeah, and this is a perfect example of how our violence in the area isn`t really helping matters."

    how? they are trying to educate their people and these extremists are killing them because they distrust education. how are we a cause of this situation?

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    AahNold Male 30-39
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    December 10, 2008 at 11:42 am
    "this is a perfect example of how our violence in the area isn`t really helping matters"

    pacifism doesn`t really help matters either, it takes balls to stand up and defend the innocent, to bad there aren`t many of us left who have a pair.

  78. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 11:43 am
    "I really don`t care about any of this. I don`t really care about religion. All, I meant was he targeted jews and killed them. I didn`t say he used christianity. I said it had something to do with religion."

    my bad, i thought you were implying it, i`ve heard people say it on this site before and its just not true.

  79. Profile photo of SwissNipsUK
    SwissNipsUK Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 11:50 am
    The problem here is were making this out like it`s our problem as horrible as it is to say , it`s nothing to do with us . Horrible as it is it`s true ,America has this idealogy that if they go give democracy to a country that has never had it , they`ll welcome it like a freaking box of goat meat , but they hate me and they hate you and nothings going to change
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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 11:57 am
    Do I even need to say it?

    F*ck Islam and f*ck all other dogmatic beliefs.

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    Dakkar Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 11:57 am
    There are still American interests at stake. Everyone hates a preemptive strike but in many situations it is the right call.

    I see Iraq not as a failed mission but currently incomplete. Setting up a forward position in a hotbox like the ME has great strategic value. And of course we`d want to set up a friendly (democratic) government so they let us build bases.

    People can criminalize Bush for invading without WMDs and purely for his oil interests, the latter I see as quite unfounded. But if our presence in Iraq helps preempt a problem that could rage out of control, i.e. Israel and Iran over nukes, he may be written in the history texts as a great President.

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    Dakkar Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 11:59 am
    People call it America being the "World`s Police". My question is how many people in the world would have complained if Britain or France acted as the World Police before 1939 rolled around?
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    December 10, 2008 at 12:06 pm
    Tsk Tsk Islamist extremists. They cling to their nasty hateful religion as if it ever did anything good for their culture or Country. They have barely come out of the 19th century with their technology and their cultural development.

    Nasty little creatures. I simply do not classify these things as humans.

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    tornadofdoom Male 13-17
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    December 10, 2008 at 12:11 pm
    Guys:

    You need to understand that Islam itself isn`t hateful...

    It`s that we need to make war on the TERRORISTS, not the 1 BILLION PEOPLE WHO PRACTICE ISLAM. Muslims hate terrorists every bit as much as us, if not more so. Only about 0.1% of Muslims are terrorists, so why are you guys saying F*** Islam? There are atheist, jewish, and christian terrorists as well you know (though far less).

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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 12:12 pm
    "People call it America being the "World`s Police". My question is how many people in the world would have complained if Britain or France acted as the World Police before 1939 rolled around?"

    so you support american imperialism. i have mixed feelings about our involvement in the middle east, but i realize that we are there whether we like it or not so must continue to deal with the situations like we have been and hopefully the middle east will be better off because of it, but i definitely do not support any type of american imperialism.

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    SwissNipsUK Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 12:12 pm
    "People call it America being the "World`s Police".

    the only people that ever use that above sentence are American , no one thinks that , unfortunately we all think that myour trying to run the world and it really really pisses us off , it really does ( dont mean to flame ) The Russia Vs Georigia issue , Theres the USA " oh if you dont back off Russia were gonna send in our forces" , WHY STAY OUT OF IT AMERICA IT`S NOT YOUR PROBLEM ARGHHHh!!!!

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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 12:13 pm
    "It`s that we need to make war on the TERRORISTS, not the 1 BILLION PEOPLE WHO PRACTICE ISLAM. Muslims hate terrorists every bit as much as us, if not more so. Only about 0.1% of Muslims are terrorists, so why are you guys saying F*** Islam? There are atheist, jewish, and christian terrorists as well you know (though far less)."

    Islam is the only religion where there is no debating whether or not their holy texts give them the right to act with the judgment of God.

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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 12:18 pm
    "They cling to their nasty hateful religion as if it ever did anything good for their culture or Country. They have barely come out of the 19th century with their technology and their cultural development."

    Actually Muslims used to be the most advanced civilization on Earth. With foundations on Persia and links to China and Greece the Middle East was a hotbed of culture. In fact, the Greek philosophers that were redisovered in the Renissance were done so thanks to Muslim scholars who preserved them while Europe slid into darkness and barbarism. But then they pissed off the Mongols who pretty much destroyed them and they haven`t been able to rebuild since.

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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 12:19 pm
    "The Russia Vs Georigia issue , Theres the USA " oh if you dont back off Russia were gonna send in our forces" , WHY STAY OUT OF IT AMERICA IT`S NOT YOUR PROBLEM ARGHHHh!!!!"

    the un got involved in that situation more than any individual country, georgia wants to join the un and that has a lot to do with russia`s aggressive stance with them.

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    xiquiripat Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 12:20 pm
    the un got more involved in that situation more than any individual country, georgia wants to join the un and that has a lot to do with russia`s aggressive stance with them.

    No it was NATO that Georgia wanted to join.

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    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 12:24 pm
    "No it was NATO that Georgia wanted to join."

    oops, yeah thats what i meant

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    SwissNipsUK Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 12:26 pm
    Im well aware of that , our combat status was raised becuase of the NATO involvement , but It was only America that was all over the news demanding Russia back down
  93. Profile photo of Baalthazaq
    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 12:28 pm
    For those of you whose memory cannot stretch into the far reaches of a couple of years ago:

    Petrol Bombing at Catholic School
    School bus attacked in Northern Ireland
    Schoolkids stoned in Northern Ireland
    Nursery School Firebombed in NA

    All found while trying to look up the one where riot police were called in to stop the HUNDREDS of common folk pelting stones at schoolchildren.

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    Dakkar Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 12:33 pm
    Well the Russia and Georgia issue was going to be kept between themselves. I never believed America would be involved militarily, not with active engagements in Iraq. All just empty diplomatic threats.

    But I understand your sentiments Swiss, really. And I`m sorry I keep pointing back to history, but Germans were peeved that other European nations were impeding their self-determination. I`m guessing German citizens would feel that a 1937-1938 invasion to overthrow Hitler would have not been Great Britain or France`s problem either. But suffering such criticism likely would have spared the Earth from WWII.

    Now, every situation in the world does not require American intervention, let alone military, that`s easy to see. But certain events do call for it and many don`t. I`m personally led to believe the Iraq invasion was justified but I could be wrong, thats the risk I run.

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    Cheese84o6 Male 13-17
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    December 10, 2008 at 12:34 pm
    I think we should be the world police, I don`t think we should be in Iraq though, I think we should be in Darfur. Only problem is Darfur doesn`t have any oil, and of course, that all America wants. It;s so funny, were doing great things for the people in Iraq, accidentally.
  96. Profile photo of SwissNipsUK
    SwissNipsUK Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 12:38 pm
    I have to be honest with Iraq , i dont beleive it has anything to do with the USA , UK or any other western country , if it was up to me i would leave them to it , i`ve lost to many friends over there to give a poo about that cess pool of a country
  97. Profile photo of Dakkar
    Dakkar Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 12:39 pm
    Its a tough road to travel. If the world is too complacent, a dictator can quietly and quickly rise to power and create havoc. Too much activism and your stepping on foreign sovereignty. The UN needs to be torn down and a new, strictly discussional international body needs to be drawn up to debate these issues. In my eyes that is the best option.

    And amaq, I don`t overtly support American Imperialism. I kinda feel like I`m in the Teddy Roosevelt mold, imperialism to the degree that its main use is militarily. Despite what the media might portray it to be, American military presence really doesn`t disrupt a nations sovereignty. Nations of note are Germany and Japan, I`m pretty sure they`re glad we stayed after WWII. And those positions benefited U.S. interests in the Cold War. Win-Win!

    So yeah, get imperial military holdings in countries, specifically those that want it. And if the situation calls for it, invade and overthrow, ala Iraq.

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    Dakkar Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 12:42 pm
    Its tough I`m sure Swiss, and I wouldn`t want your position. Especially from someone with your experience, I can see why`d you see things differently than an "arm chair General" like me.

    But there`s the fundamental difference between us. You see no Iraq benefit due to your direct experience and loss. I see benefit because of historical examples.

    The unbreakable stalemate. So really, everything we`ve wrote is pretty much worthless. Heh, but isn`t that really the whole point of debate?

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    Baalthazaq Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 12:45 pm
    I just love how no-one here is claiming Europeans or Americans just murder people for fun. That would be just retarded right? Yet there are 15`000 cases of Murder in the US alone every year.

    Then you take a population of say, oh I don`t know, quadruple that, and stereotype them based on 1/5th of the incidents.

    Long story short:
    Americans are mostly Murderers = 0.005% accurate.
    Muslims are mostly Terrorists = 0.00025% accurate.
    Americans are wheelchair-bound black women = 0.01% accurate.

    It`s *that* ridiculous.

    Seriously,gain some perspective.

  100. Profile photo of SwissNipsUK
    SwissNipsUK Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 12:48 pm
    Lol nothing wrong with a debate , you dont have to change someones opinion to have a good debate ,and in all fairness the only benfit I could see coming out of iraq is we could get a load of aircraft , fill them with sand and replace the sand here in the UK becuase it`s pretty gross over here :-)
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    Dakkar Male 18-29
    1256 posts
    December 10, 2008 at 12:54 pm
    Haha, well said. And while I`ve never had the experience of visiting your coast, I`m thinking it might be comparable to the Jersey shore.

    But indeed, even if a debate goes in circles some good can come out of it. And I can`t help myself, but its fun.

    But I fear I`ve wasted too much time on this topic. I need to write a term paper and get started programming a Pacman clone. So if anymore replies come from my arguments I won`t be able to reply,refute,spout nonsense, etc.

    Good night and good luck all!

  102. Profile photo of SwissNipsUK
    SwissNipsUK Male 18-29
    763 posts
    December 10, 2008 at 12:57 pm
    Well I have to go myself I got myself a super duper late night cobat exercise now , going to be fun being as my challenger is broke :-?
  103. Profile photo of AahNold
    AahNold Male 30-39
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    December 10, 2008 at 1:39 pm
    "I just love how no-one here is claiming Europeans or Americans just murder people for fun"

    We don`t murder children because they want to go to school

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    PinkAndGreen Female 13-17
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    December 10, 2008 at 1:53 pm
    I wear makeup, roll up my sleeves and wear flimsy clothes. Looks like they don`t respect me.

    I have two good friends who are both Muslim and when I`ve asked them about their religion, they`ve told me a bit about it. Definitely can say it`s not for me.

    The whole killing kids thing is crazy. Seriously, if you start to kill off kids because they go to school, your going to have a very uneducated country.

  105. Profile photo of Scotchy
    Scotchy Male 18-29
    592 posts
    December 10, 2008 at 1:53 pm
    Maybe its just me, but I didnt hear them say "All muslim people do this" did you? When people say islamist, they are referring to the extremists, not the people that just practice the muslim religion.
  106. Profile photo of DHise
    DHise Male 13-17
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    December 10, 2008 at 2:02 pm
    How many times do I have to say it? The world has ALWAYS been like this, it`s f`ed up. Let it be and move on.
  107. Profile photo of WhenIsLunch
    WhenIsLunch Male 18-29
    460 posts
    December 10, 2008 at 2:21 pm
    ahh these situations suck, all of these extremists are scattered and dam hard to find. To stop them they all have to be killed or somthing(the radical people not all the people i mean)
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    luckyse7en Male 13-17
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    December 10, 2008 at 2:24 pm
    See? Homework does kill you.
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    opiebreath Female 18-29
    15774 posts
    December 10, 2008 at 2:25 pm
    Just wait until the Christian Evangelicals start learning how to shoot guns.
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    splurbyburbl Male 30-39
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    December 10, 2008 at 2:33 pm
    "Actually Muslims used to be the most advanced civilization on Earth. With foundations on Persia and links to China and Greece the Middle East was a hotbed of culture. In fact, the Greek philosophers that were redisovered in the Renissance were done so thanks to Muslim scholars who preserved them while Europe slid into darkness and barbarism. But then they pissed off the Mongols who pretty much destroyed them and they haven`t been able to rebuild since."

    Nice try on the history lesson. What you speak of I think is Alexandria. But, no... an Islamic extremist ordered that extremely far advanced library (etc.) destroyed along with all the knowledge in it. Thus... it is purely Islamic extremism that needs to be wiped out as quick as it is found.

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    boredfjord Male 13-17
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    December 10, 2008 at 2:43 pm
    Nah, splurby, pre-crusades Baghdad was the center of all knowledge and learning. But then the Catholics came along and drated it all up. The Catholic Church is in large part responsible for the creation of the brand of Islam with which we are now contending. Believe me, I`m no fan of Islam, even moderate Islam, but the historical fact is that Baghdad was the most advanced cultural center at the time.
  112. Profile photo of Blacksun1212
    Blacksun1212 Male 13-17
    266 posts
    December 10, 2008 at 2:44 pm
    What`s wrong with learning? Something is really wrong with people these days. Next thing u known ul see an article saying man fell in love with a wall, and he is now pregnant.
  113. Profile photo of duffytoler
    duffytoler Male 40-49
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    December 10, 2008 at 2:45 pm
    >>Islam is a religion of PEACE!

    I call B.S.

  114. Profile photo of boredfjord
    boredfjord Male 13-17
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    December 10, 2008 at 2:48 pm
    Balthazaq, Iraq has the highest murder rate per capita of any country in the world. And I, for one, am not picking on Islam. I dislike every religion and every superstition. There`s no doubt that more religiously motivated violence is committed by Muslims than adherents to any other religion at present.
  115. Profile photo of gorgack2000
    gorgack2000 Male 13-17
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    December 10, 2008 at 2:48 pm
    There`s a good difference between Islam extremists and Islam followers.

    That`s all I have to say.

  116. Profile photo of boredfjord
    boredfjord Male 13-17
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    December 10, 2008 at 2:49 pm
    duffytoler, I concur. Muhammad was a small-time warlord. The popularity of Islam is solely the result of military conquest. It has never truly been a peaceful religion and it is not a peaceful religion now.
  117. Profile photo of thrawn09
    thrawn09 Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 2:50 pm
    Ah yes, the Islamic global war on achievement. So it begins (or continues?)
  118. Profile photo of thrawn09
    thrawn09 Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 2:54 pm
    boredfjord, where did you cite the info that Iraq has the highest murder rate "...per capita of any country in the world."?

    You might want to look at Africa a bit closer, because I am pretty sure the ethnic cleansing (aka murder) there is much worse than Iraq.

  119. Profile photo of N-Vet
    N-Vet Male 30-39
    105 posts
    December 10, 2008 at 2:59 pm
    Opiebreath- Many Evangelicals already know haw to shoot especially in rural areas, but do not fear, unless you either threaten religious freedom or 2nd amendment rights we are not a threat, at least in the US. There may be isolated idiots (i.e. Westboro Baptist Church), but we try to solve our differences either politically or in the courts like civilized people.
  120. Profile photo of AndroidMetro
    AndroidMetro Male 18-29
    807 posts
    December 10, 2008 at 3:03 pm
    It`s a little bit funny.
  121. Profile photo of boredfjord
    boredfjord Male 13-17
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    December 10, 2008 at 3:03 pm
    It`s on the Wikipedia page here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cou...

    and cites this source for the body count:
    http://www.iraqbodycount.org/analysis/nu...

    Some of the ethnic cleansing in Africa may cause more deaths, but either there are no reliable body counts being taken or most of the deaths are only indirectly the result of violence, e.g. people dying from hunger, thirst, or disease, which isn`t really homicide. The point I wanted to make is Iraq is a lot worse than the U.S., and radical Muslims are almost exclusively to blame, although coalition forces have also murdered their (much smaller) share of civilians.

  122. Profile photo of boredfjord
    boredfjord Male 13-17
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    December 10, 2008 at 3:04 pm
    A lot of African countries aren`t even listed, presumably because they`re so drated up that they don`t have homicide statistics.
  123. Profile photo of thrawn09
    thrawn09 Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 3:10 pm
    boredfjord, I would have to say that iraqbodycount.org is not exactly a third party, unbiased source on the subject. And wikipeadia, even with that reference, is not the best source. Thanks, however, for citing the other source.

    I agree that Iraq is worse than the US on the crime rate, but give the Country some time to get back on their feet. I was at the initial push into the Country, and a majority of the Iraqi`s were glad that Saddam is no longer in power. The man was a tyrant. As their country transitions, you will see those numbers come down. Once we leave, that country will have to stand on their own.

    And as far as Africa goes, a lot of the deaths are indeed due to warlords killing off hundreds of thousands of people with bullets. They also kill people with the food supply, and controlling that food supply. Those deaths are just as bad as putting a gun to someones head and pulling the trigger, if not worse.

  124. Profile photo of SoxXxhXcxSeX
    SoxXxhXcxSeX Female 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 3:21 pm
    i never wanted to go to school so it wouldnt matter to me lol
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    kenny_f Male 13-17
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    December 10, 2008 at 3:26 pm
    wicked unibrow on that chick.

    anywho, this is what happens when you let people live in the dark ages, they do stupid drating things

  126. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
    2245 posts
    December 10, 2008 at 3:32 pm
    "Just wait until the Christian Evangelicals start learning how to shoot guns."

    what are you talking about opie? christian evangelicals love to shoot guns, almost as much as they love to hate gays.

  127. Profile photo of last_ninja
    last_ninja Male 18-29
    610 posts
    December 10, 2008 at 3:35 pm
    wouldn`t they want them educated? i don`t understand and people get mad at me when i ask
  128. Profile photo of Adrift_Angel
    Adrift_Angel Female 18-29
    339 posts
    December 10, 2008 at 4:06 pm
    Shouldn`t the teacher have put the childrens` lives in front of her own?
  129. Profile photo of Aeladil
    Aeladil Female 18-29
    513 posts
    December 10, 2008 at 4:12 pm
    "I say this because women want equal rights, the rights in western culture" and all the other men laugh. Call me racist. Call me prejudice. Call me whatever you want. But that, right there, is why fanatical muslims deserve whatever they get over there. Just because it`s your "culture" to murder children and abuse your wives because they mean less to you than your camel, doesn`t make your "culture" right.

    This goes for any "culture" which spreads such absolute rubbish.

    Thank God my religion is science.

  130. Profile photo of xiquiripat
    xiquiripat Male 18-29
    2422 posts
    December 10, 2008 at 4:21 pm
    Nice try on the history lesson. What you speak of I think is Alexandria. But, no... an Islamic extremist ordered that extremely far advanced library (etc.) destroyed along with all the knowledge in it.

    Sorry but you are wrong. Alexandria was conqured before the Muslims had even created a coherent civilization. In fact, the original Great Library was probably accidentally torched by Julius Ceasar. They were still basically primatives. But in the later centuries as they created a true empire art, literature, science, and architecture were pionnered by them while Europe was basically the third world. Then they fell. Everything that was preserved of Aristotle and other greek philosophers fell into western hands thanks to Muslims like Avincinna and Averroes. Oh, and they invented algebra to boot.

  131. Profile photo of toxic1
    toxic1 Female 18-29
    82 posts
    December 10, 2008 at 4:36 pm
    I`m not afraid to say what I really think...islam has no place in this world nor does the islamic culture. Argue with me all you want.
  132. Profile photo of amaqdrinker
    amaqdrinker Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 4:53 pm
    islam gives it`s followers the right to act absolutely with God`s judgment, and that is it`s flaw.
  133. Profile photo of Float
    Float Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 5:46 pm
    Yadda, yadda. Political controversy that no one here really probably knows a whole lot about.
    But seriously? Islamists? It`s Islamic. Or Muslim. Not Islamists. Islamic isn`t even a word to describe a person, it`s Muslim. Muslim.
  134. Profile photo of murph89
    murph89 Male 18-29
    84 posts
    December 10, 2008 at 7:27 pm
    There is a man who, after almost dying attempting to climb the mountain K2, was brought back to health by the Afghan village he stumbled into. While he was there, he learned about their culture, and about their poor education. He figured out that, by educating the women, the extremist culture will die out.

    The reason is that for a son to go on jihad (jihad can mean anything, from going to college, to going to war), he must get his mother`s permission. If the mother has a general education, she is more likely to prevent her son from going on a violent jihad. Once the violent extremism becomes unpopular, these areas should only be known for the friendly locals, not the birthplace of suicide bombers.

    This man spoke at my school once, and wrote about his experience in the book "Three Cups of Tea". You can look up summaries of the book or check wikipedia if you don`t want to read the whole book.

  135. Profile photo of Pilanus
    Pilanus Male 18-29
    675 posts
    December 10, 2008 at 7:35 pm
    Mainstream Islam, I have no problem with. I treat it like mainstream Christianity (I think it`s a bit silly, but if you require some magical being that created the universe and is now your personal genie, to be comfortable with yourself and at peace, then by all means, whatever floats your boat.)

    But killing children for getting an education, in fact killing anyone for any reason other than self defense and the defense of your family, is wretched. They want to teach only islamic subjects, well as a matter of fact, it was a Muslim that invented Algebra, Muslims named the stars, advanced "western" medicine, chemistry, physics, geology, etc... Muslims pretty much made all the scientific advances in the world from the 8th to the 13th centuries.
    However, I think that it is more an attack on them because they are more tolerant of the western world, not because they are being educated. But they may argue that education leads people to want equality, and to that, they are right.

  136. Profile photo of patthebaker
    patthebaker Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 7:41 pm
    And today was going so well. Shame
  137. Profile photo of Pilanus
    Pilanus Male 18-29
    675 posts
    December 10, 2008 at 7:44 pm
    But for them to attack school children is very barbaric. The Muslims were at the cutting edge of science for over 400 years. It is because of the Moors in Spain that Europe ever got out of the dark ages. But then in the late 12th century they decided Science was evil, and against Islam, so they stopped advancing. But by that time the west had the knowledge, the first universities were appearing in Europe, and the Renaissance, Enlightenment, and Scientific revolution over the next 800 years launched us into today, while the Muslims languished. It is only a fluke of Geography that oil would be found there, making their leaders rich. If not for Oil, The middle east would be a useless desert now. But I think These men should look at the Quran again.

    "We (Allah) will show you (mankind) Our signs/patterns in the horizons/universe and in yourselves until you are convinced that the revelation is the truth."

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    turtledude Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 8:48 pm
    This is why.
  139. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    December 10, 2008 at 8:58 pm
    The learning of ancient Greece was initially preserved *before Islam existed*. Same area, but not the religion.
  140. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    December 10, 2008 at 9:03 pm
    Here`s a question that might prove illuminating to those who think that Islam is about peace, or that it is moderate:

    Is there a Muslim here who will voice an objection to prolonged bloody torture by whipping, perhaps to death, of people who have done these things?

    i) Adultery
    ii) Sex outside of marriage
    iii) Homosexual sex.

    It`s a trick question - Muslims are *required* to support it. It`s a command from God, if you`re a Muslim. 100 lashes, no mercy. Direct order from God, right there in the Qu`ran. Absolutely mandatory, no objection allowed.

    Moderate? If you have the stomach for it, you can see videos of this torture online. It is not moderate by any sane definition of the word.

    Muslims can`t really cherry-pick from the Qu`ran, because it`s an article of faith that it is literally the word of God.

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    primetimekin Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2008 at 9:33 pm
    angilion, just to play devils-advocate

    Do you support adultery, and sex outside marriage? (I wont do homosexuality since that is another debate)

  142. Profile photo of d_katman
    d_katman Male 13-17
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    December 10, 2008 at 10:47 pm
    did this actually say anything about the qoran directly influencing?
    if you ask me this is a poorly compiled news segment. they don`t explain how the thing at the end ties in with the shootings. they talk about western teachings. but were the schools teaching `western teachings`? were the teachers dressed like skanks? Is it hatred for education or the education system in use?
  143. Profile photo of pat125
    pat125 Male 18-29
    756 posts
    December 10, 2008 at 10:53 pm
    People always put fourth the argument that "terrorists aren`t Muslims, they`re simply "bad apples" that act on their own accord".

    I beg to differ. Last time I checked, there weren`t a lot of radical groups of Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc. going around bombing buildings, shooting up public places and killing children.

    While I`m not doubting that there are many peaceful Muslims out there (I know a few personally), the religion is inherently flawed in the freedom it gives its followers to resort to violence.

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    manorrd Male 30-39
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    December 11, 2008 at 2:21 am
    Baalthazaq:

    The point is that these people are going around murdering and justifying it in the name of their holy texts

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    Sable_smiles Female 18-29
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    December 11, 2008 at 2:42 am
    ALL religion is inherently flawed.
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    Overmann Male 18-29
    2600 posts
    December 11, 2008 at 5:58 am
    Baalthazaq, you may want to rethink your strategy when instead of denouncing these indefensible criminal acts as the barbarism that they are, you point out similarly criminal acts having occured in the countries in which the critics live in an effort to suggest they`re perhaps close-minded or insular. You needn`t feel compelled to defend Islam against such criticism in order to be a good Muslim. One might say you have an obligation, if you care at all how Islam is perceived by Western society, to denounce such acts and to morally distance yourself whenever and however possible.
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    bungled Male 30-39
    271 posts
    December 11, 2008 at 8:21 am
    I blame religion for all the problems in the world.
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    scoreJ6 Male 13-17
    53 posts
    December 11, 2008 at 10:20 am
    Indicative of the corrupted view extremism takes on any religion.
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    caboose117 Male 13-17
    1204 posts
    December 11, 2008 at 1:58 pm
    "
    Indicative of the corrupted view extremism takes on any religion."

    I think it`s indicative of the corrupted view extremism takes on any philosophy in general.
    It`s not all about religion, it never is, even things like the crusades had very large social and economic factors. The religion was more of an excuse for most the crusades.

    "
    ALL religion is inherently flawed."

    As long as we don`t know everything, anything we believe in can be flawed. cept maybe math.

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    caboose117 Male 13-17
    1204 posts
    December 11, 2008 at 1:59 pm
    "I beg to differ. Last time I checked, there weren`t a lot of radical groups of Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc. going around bombing buildings, shooting up public places and killing children. "

    There are things like this that do happen, Christian groups near the middle east do bombings, those Soviet athiests have probably done bombings as well, and for the Jews, read the Old Testament.

    No matter where you look, there will always be corruption and extremism.

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    Turnshroud Female 18-29
    4225 posts
    December 11, 2008 at 3:23 pm
    Amaq, I must agree.

    I stumbled across a passage not long ago. Basically it says what any cleric will tell you, interpretation should be left for those that are learned…or something oif the like.

    Of course there is many a corrupt cleric in Islam…most.

    Murphy, I think I may have stumbled across that book. I’ll be sure to read it

    Also, I have stated in the past that Christianity was wrong for editing their Bible time and time again. I think I should restate this by saying that not to do so is wrong as well.

    There was a time when the Middle East was filled with inspiration and ideas, but now only ruins remain.

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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    December 11, 2008 at 6:44 pm
    "angilion, just to play devils-advocate

    Do you support adultery, and sex outside marriage? (I wont do homosexuality since that is another debate)"

    In order to properly play Devil`s advocate, your questions should have some relevance to my line of argument. Those don`t, because *objecting to torturing people to death for something does not in any way imply support for that something.*

    I am going to emphasise that again, because it`s a very important point and left unchecked will completely sidetrack my original post.

    I am opposed to torturing people, and even more opposed to torturing people to death, for adultery, sex outside marriage and homosexuality. Or anything else, but those are important in this context because Islam *requires* torture and slaughter for those things. The most "moderate" Muslim might argue that "only" torturing and maiming is required, something which "only" might kill the victim.

    This is the truth - check it f

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    TheWood Male 30-39
    211 posts
    December 12, 2008 at 2:27 am
    Here goes the story of mankind... where thinking is a crime. The sad thing is that the same state of mind is present in every freaking religions, including Christianity.
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    manorrd Male 30-39
    2372 posts
    December 12, 2008 at 2:32 am
    Thinking is a crime in all religions? Why, we have an expert on World Religion here. ;-)

    That`s crap, btw..

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    s0rd3dvis1on Male 18-29
    2388 posts
    December 12, 2008 at 6:22 pm
    that Mohammed person has worked very hard o hide he accent. Makes me feel sad that thats the only way he will be taken seriously.
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    s0rd3dvis1on Male 18-29
    2388 posts
    December 12, 2008 at 6:23 pm
    sorry that Haneef person
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    s0rd3dvis1on Male 18-29
    2388 posts
    December 12, 2008 at 6:24 pm
    I realise this is triple post but i just reffered to someone by their middle name. That Muhammed Atmar Haneef.
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    RedBrother Male 18-29
    134 posts
    December 12, 2008 at 8:58 pm
    this was on al jazeera. why post it? religion kills.
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    RedBrother Male 18-29
    134 posts
    December 12, 2008 at 9:01 pm
    i`ve just been "informed" via angry e-mail that it should be posted here because people feel strongly about the subject. If one felt so strongly about the contenct/subject then they would already be aware of the article. Moot
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    Dakkar Male 18-29
    1256 posts
    December 18, 2008 at 10:26 am
    There are still American interests at stake. Everyone hates a preemptive strike but in many situations it is the right call.

    I see Iraq not as a failed mission but currently incomplete. Setting up a forward position in a hotbox like the ME has great strategic value. And of course we`d want to set up a friendly (democratic) government so they let us build bases.

    People can criminalize Bush for invading without WMDs and purely for his oil interests, the latter I see as quite unfounded. But if our presence in Iraq helps preempt a problem that could rage out of control, i.e. Israel and Iran over nukes, he may be written in the history texts as a great President.

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    Vagrant86 Male 18-29
    2556 posts
    December 18, 2008 at 9:25 pm
    did u go to school today hunnie?

    yes?

    *BANG*

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    Dakkar Male 18-29
    1256 posts
    April 15, 2009 at 9:14 pm
    There are still American interests at stake. Everyone hates a preemptive strike but in many situations it is the right call.

    I see Iraq not as a failed mission but currently incomplete. Setting up a forward position in a hotbox like the ME has great strategic value. And of course we`d want to set up a friendly (democratic) government so they let us build bases.

    People can criminalize Bush for invading without WMDs and purely for his oil interests, the latter I see as quite unfounded. But if our presence in Iraq helps preempt a problem that could rage out of control, i.e. Israel and Iran over nukes, he may be written in the history texts as a great President.

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